gameplay-help

[tired crown]

The rate of fire is what makes it so good, you apply stacks of burn like mad

[dapper turret]

Purity in blood or faith restored?

[uncut tangle]

Thought A was faster then II

[hard goblet]

Does anyone know if friendly fire counts against the Make Every Shot Count penance?

[outer stream]

like. my current recon lasgun has 700'ish ammo in a game. i rarely of ever run out

[tight cedar]

A is the one that uses 2 ammo per shot isnt it?

[tired crown]

The base stats of the weapon are a secondary concern because the burn is so, so strong. It slaughters bosses but isn't as good against multiple weak targets since you're leaning heavily into the damage over time aspect.

[radiant mulch]

make sure you build is set up for peril resistance and kinetic barrage, build up stacks on trash mobs then hit your F and kill 5 elites/specials, endless horde helps

[tight cedar]

if so then thats the slowest firing one

[hollow gyro]

<@&735928989146939404> any word on whether this penance is supposed to be like this

its possible

[north wolf]

It doesn't really matter how high the RoF is, as long as it has infernus. Sure, eventually you want higher RoF, but hell, I have an infantry lasgun with infernus and it's still super strong.

[uncut tangle]

Yea

[hollow gyro]

just

its just not practical at all

[unborn pilot]

how do you know if something has infernus?

[radiant mulch]

you have to be 30 with the right feat and have teammates killing a lot of elites in coherency. Have to use F 3 times

[north wolf]

You don't need to ping mods for that.

[tight cedar]

the important thing for infernus is running the crit chance while ADS feat and stacking stamina curios

[signal cipher]

I mean depends on what you want? I like PIB personal

[outer stream]

look at the above pic

[uncut tangle]

I don't use the recons much so I assumed the a was average and 2 was slow

[north wolf]

It's a perk listed under the weapon.

[unborn pilot]

oh! well. i feel dumb

[outer stream]

this ons @unborn pilot

[uncut tangle]

Also the dodge perk helps

Duck and dive or whatever

[hollow gyro]

you have 16 seconds to kill 8 elites on heresy while being in a enviroment that allows you to go 24 meters each time you press F

the penance was never changed from the beta

[uncut tangle]

So do we know what weapons get what perks, I know some are limited to weapon types like bleed on special for chain weapons rtc

[inner river]

What happened to the power outage alert and the daemonhosts? haven't seen them since yesterday afternoon

[uncut tangle]

But what about lasguns and bolters

[hollow gyro]

they nerfed the distance charge

[tight cedar]

infernus is lasgun exclusive i believe

[unborn pilot]

is there a list somewhere of just all the available weapons/weapontypes

[uncut tangle]

Saw rending on plasma today so I know it's bolter and plasma

Might also be lasgun if it's on plasma

[pearl night]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/

[uncut tangle]

Cheers mate

Been looking for a list for a while now

[gilded pond]

The Ogryn walking in front of your volley hits a lot different when it's a bolter mag dump 😟

[cosmic osprey]

Which lv 20 veteran feat should i use? Any opinions on them?

[uncut tangle]

Duck and dive personally but I use it for the level 25 perk

[obtuse owl]

what's a good veteran V column talent

using deadshot rn for funny +25% crit chance but idk

[cerulean pelican]

Does higher difficulty have friendly fire?

[hollow island]

i'm kind of meh on all of them, I'm not sure how deadshot works with weapons with bash/flashlight, so probably one after another? can never go wrong with reload

[gilded pond]

Level 30 feat sounds insane to me 'volley fire reloads your weapon' alone seems strong

[heavy shuttle]

Its decent

[wet bloom]

Run it with dodge for stamina and be aware of the melee

[uncut tangle]

Alt Fire is ads

[gilded pond]

or more so weapon dependant

[hollow island]

the toughness regen on sustained fire also sounds strong in situations where you're kiting people in melee and are too busy dodging to swing and gain toughness

I had a few games as the last one left that was like that where I could have probably made it if I had the instant reload and toughness

[uncut tangle]

So deadshot is best choice

With maybe one after another if you want quick reloads

[hollow island]

can the plasma gun headshot? I feel like you can't aim it precisely enough to do so

[uncut tangle]

Can head shot

[hollow palm]

can someone explain to me how devastating strike works?

[wet bloom]

Its probably the worst for newer players though

[hollow island]

again, in most cases I don't think there's a tier with a 100% best choice in all situations

[uncut tangle]

Good point actually, you need to keep stamina up so you have to constantly dodge

[wet bloom]

Cause they'll need the stam for blocking if they arent good at the dance of dodge yet

[uncut tangle]

Maybe one after another then

[hollow flame]

Do multiple veterans in the same party mean even more ammo? does ammo on elite kill stack?

[uncut tangle]

With camo expert or focus at 20

[hollow island]

i think the ammo from multiple vets do stack but you need to be in range of each other for it to do so

[uncut tangle]

It stacks

One of my 100% attempts got screwed because of that

[shell cedar]

everything on malice is so squishy...after playing on heresy for the last 24 hours

[uncut tangle]

Every elite gave me like 8 ammo

[hard goblet]

Does anyone know if friendly fire causes you to fail Make Every Shot Count?

[wet bloom]

They do?

[arctic plover]

Honestly after running 100+ malice and above I stick with that in the column V. It feels good even on bolters (which have been confirmed to crit).

[hard goblet]

See: Veteran's aura ability that regens ammo on elite kill

It's why one of his penances punishes him for existing.

[hollow island]

i think zealot is the only classes with no tiers of feats with meh choices in them

[wet bloom]

I was right next to another vet and only got one shell

[shell cedar]

i dont think auras stack

thats why its best to play 1 of each class in a group

[wet bloom]

So I figured you didint

[uncut tangle]

Did you kill the elite

[hollow island]

like tier 4 psyker and ogryn all feel like meh skills to me

[hard goblet]

It scales based on your total ammo count for your gun.

It's not a flat amount.

[wet bloom]

I got 1 shell.

[hollow island]

I was wondering how ammo picked up worked

[uncut tangle]

Felt like I had infinite ammo on a few vet only runs

[wet bloom]

Or is there some other ammo gaining perk?

[arctic plover]

Right now this is the strongest as the middle feat is bugged as you dont get resets off scab shooters always like you should. I run this on bolters as you can unload 15 shots. hit your F and aim to cancel the rack animation and then unload 15 more. Insane for bosses on heresy/damnation.

[signal cipher]

Try the plasma gun

One. it's rad gun

Two. shots are a minimum of 3 per shot

Three. you can charge it to cost like 16 a shot

You regenerate 2 ammo on elite kill

[uncut tangle]

Did it with a shotty

[signal cipher]

And no, Aura buffs don't stack

[hollow island]

I imagine a shotgun/revolver/plasma gun can get more than 100% accuracy if you get a collat

[hollow flame]

That's not an aura buff

[uncut tangle]

Ah mb

[wet bloom]

Ik that cause I get like 8 rounds alone on my las but if they stacked should I not have at least got two shells?

[uncut tangle]

Might just have been one of those games were I used little ammo

[signal cipher]

I have roughly 160 hours 😅

[gilded pond]

Yeah, 30 bolter shots in a panic situation followed by switching to melee while F cools down for another insta reload sounds great. I feel like there's a lot of times that could've saved a mission for me lol

[wet bloom]

Cause I get one when solo vet

[uncut tangle]

What confused me was during the end of the desert map, only elites spawn so I was trying to empty my ammo and I just kept getting more ammo then I used

[arctic plover]

Taking this into pubs usually generates the same reaction when you clear a group of 2 crushers 2 reapers and a host of maulers and maniacs always a fun time.

[hollow island]

the sustain on the top tier 6 talent is nice, especially on something with a long reload like plasma, revolver, or shotgun

[uncut tangle]

But it was a bolter so kinda screwed myself there

[wet bloom]

I wish I could play more but I have a job

[signal cipher]

This is way the plasma is rad

For everyshot

It's rad in general

I'm not basis

Shut up

[shell cedar]

rookie mistake with bolters is to hipfire on trash mobs

[uncut tangle]

I just dislike the charge

[shell cedar]

most trash mobs die in 1 shot...hip fire shoots 2 bullets

[arctic plover]

Smelter complex has regular enemies spawn endlessly at the end. best map to get the 100% accuracy done right now.

[uncut tangle]

Takes me out of it when I know for a fact I can do more damage with a bolter

[hollow island]

plus they come at you in a pretty flat and even ground so you can keep your gun at head level and keep getting hits and collats

[shell cedar]

plasma gun is such a joke...compared to bolter

[uncut tangle]

If it charged maybe 15% faster and could hold like 20% more heat

[shell cedar]

its like the thunder hammers vs eviserator..

[uncut tangle]

I would use it

Thunder also feels awful imo

[shell cedar]

sure thunder hammer do 1 big shot dmg, but eviserator does everything else better

[uncut tangle]

But the special is so satisfying

[proven escarp]

Whats the best ogryn ranged weapons? are there 2 or 3 that stand out of the 5? and why?

[uncut tangle]

Grenade gauntlet and stubber

[wet bloom]

I still need 100% but hit reg is gonna screw me

[hollow island]

i haven't gotten far enough as zealot to know how the unique weapons feel

[uncut tangle]

So I noticed once you hit 30 you only match with 30s which kinda sucks

[hollow island]

I think ever ogryn weapon is better than the kickback, I haven't tried the rumbler but I think they're all fine enough

[uncut tangle]

Some times I just wanna play uprising for a quick game but I can't find one

[shell cedar]

lolol i wish i match with 30 when i was leveling my lowbie psyker

[arctic plover]

naww I get lower people all the time.

[proven escarp]

Not the rumbler? thing seems kinda decent

and the ripper, idk

[uncut tangle]

Really

[rare shadow]

what is the best melee weapon for this boss

[obtuse smelt]

someone has that image that has been floating around about stat explanation??? can you dm it or post it???

[arctic plover]

yeah sometimes its hard to tell since they may have the borders on, having completed another class up to 30.

[slow fog]

Anything with a powerup mode usually, chain/force/power

[shell cedar]

dude that boss...is easy if you have 4 people meleeing him to death. The mistake is shooting at him when the shield is up

[uncut tangle]

I legit am forced to play heresy and I can barely find full malice lobbies

[hollow island]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892028185

[hard goblet]

Boy I sure do love having the same target I'm trying to kill be shot at by a squadmate while I'm trying to achieve 100% accuracy and somehow spend all my ammo at the same time. What an engaging penance that really exemplifies effective veteran playstyles.

[shell cedar]

its literally a dps check

[hollow island]

this should have all the info

[obtuse smelt]

thanks

[rare shadow]

yeah but what weapon does good vs him damage wise

[rocky sierra]

Not even that would save it. Plasma needs to not self dmg on vent and vent like 400% faster.

Could also use a buff to reload and draw speed.

[rare shadow]

i kinda avoid this boss as vetran cus my parties always fail vs him

[arctic plover]

get 3 homies in lfg. Help someone with something else they need and have everyone melee while you ranged. or call out your shots. you 100% will need people to help you with as this was the most frustrating part.

[hollow island]

i think plasma just needs more damage

[uncut tangle]

Draw was fine but the self damage on vent needs to go

[obtuse smelt]

is there one for traits or blessings? i saw one like that too

[hollow island]

there's no point to manually vent when a reload fully vents

[hollow island]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons

go to the weapon you're looking for, it has all the blessings it can have listed

[obtuse smelt]

👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨

[shell cedar]

What if Plasma doesnt need reloading...just occasionally cooling down like how psykers work

that may push it closer to bolters

[humble roost]

plasma would be fine with more damage and more accuracy

and specifically, no damage falloff

[uncut tangle]

Reload is fine tbh

[hollow island]

that would help it out a bit since the reload is low, and either have stuff that buffs reload speed buff the vending to it, and at least make manually vending deal toughness damage instead of health

if you want no fall up, take the sniper perk

[rigid wasp]

the shield boys all need sustained fire to chunk them before the shield goes back up tbh, bolters are very good

[raven scroll]

so is there a way as of now to get the psyker helmet accessory that the female psyker has on in the create a character menu? is it in the cosmetic store at later levels or is it just not available yet?

[shell cedar]

my main issue with running bolters is how slow to pull it out......

[cerulean pelican]

I like the balance between choosing whether to wait, reload, or discharge

[shell cedar]

its not a good oh shit moment...

[raven scroll]

the one with the visor

[glass finch]

so what's the best veteran setup that people have come up with? From the looks of chat earlier it seems like "Kantrael MG XII Infantry Lasgun" is the go to ranged weapon, but what is the go to melee weapon?

[cobalt salmon]

axe

[shell cedar]

whenever a poxbuster teleports behind you...oh well...booom

[uncut tangle]

@raven scroll should be the tier 3 or 4 achievement

[rigid wasp]

power sword imo. It MELTS hordes and elites at the cost of only lasting 2 seconds

[hollow island]

I feel like it depends on what you want ot do

[raven scroll]

the penance gives a hood

[uncut tangle]

Power sword

[raven scroll]

not the visor

[uncut tangle]

Like the most useful weapon in the game

[shell cedar]

dude FS gonna nerf the power sword

[rigid wasp]

I wanna try the chainaxe

[short crag]

Knife cause I love dodge

[uncut tangle]

Nerf it or buff other end game class melee weapons

[shell cedar]

its a bit ridiculous for the pwoer sword to attain 100% cleaving power

[cerulean pelican]

it does feel a little bit much, my vet is better than an ogryn killing hordes, no competition

[uncut tangle]

Power sword plus rampage is just crisp

[wet bloom]

better at killing hordes then a zealot feels even crazier imo

[shell cedar]

i think easy nerf to power sword....

make the special charge takes 0.5 second longer

[uncut tangle]

Slaughter might also be nice

[cerulean pelican]

Or just give it to the zealot,,,

[wet bloom]

Why am I going to court for mans laughter

[shell cedar]

its the power sword's special that makes it to op since it can retain 100% damage against all armor and infinite cleave

[wet bloom]

removing special weapons kinda lame, make evicerator cleave better or smth i'd rather

[glass finch]

so rampage gives +damage and slaughter gives +power, what does +power do?

[cerulean pelican]

its also the fact the heavy attack just automatically hits everything in the head

[shell cedar]

well...power in VT2 is damage and stagger and cleave

[glass finch]

so 1% power > 1% damage I guess?

[wet bloom]

Real?, I still cut things in half, dont even aim for the head cause I like watching torsos fly up

[uncut tangle]

Don't no the exact numbers but I would assume something similar

But regardless those two are probably the best perks to get on gold weapons

[shell cedar]

i think 1% power does less damage vs 1% damage....but 1% power also influence cleave and stagger

[cerulean pelican]

thats the reason the weapon is so good. Quick, massive horizintal swing at head height

Even without the power boost its good

[glass finch]

slaughter stacks up to 5 while rampage doesn't seem to stack, surely that should put slaughter above rampage considering each stack of slaughter is almost the same amount as the rampage stack (75%+ power vs 17.5%+ damage max)

[wet bloom]

Oh I just do it body height like I said and it still one shots everything

[shell cedar]

nah, its the power sword's special that makes it OP....Catacan sword also have horizontal slashes left and right

but you dont see catacan swords dominating...

[uncut tangle]

So I believe you can get both

[glass finch]

oh ye

[cerulean pelican]

Yeah, its just a straight upgrade to that, but its that moveset that makes it great, pretty much regardless of stats. You would see them if it weren't for the power sword

[uncut tangle]

On golds but rampage is what I prefer to grt

[glass finch]

golden weps have 2 traits, forgot about that

[uncut tangle]

Especially since some of the stats and effects arent defined

Like what is energized

[cerulean pelican]

I mean with Vets you really only want horde clear, you can shoot elites and kite

[rigid wasp]

Making its activation a bigger hassle will make it just not worth using for an average player(like me) I already go to chainsword fairly often cause its more consistent without having to wear out mouse 4

[cerulean pelican]

atm though you pretty much just have constant uptime on it though,

[rigid wasp]

I'd honestly rather lose cleave or have the moveset changed to be more axe tier than deal with having to activate it constantly that sucks

[shell cedar]

yup...u can even cancel its charging animation if you sprint

i dont mind changing the move set for power swords

[floral birch]

I haven’t been able to get a flamethrower to show up in the armory since I was 16 and I’m 30. I hope they fix this . I don’t know if it’s just me

[rigid wasp]

half the time just dodging cancels it, its total ass

[proven escarp]

Hows ogryn Grenade Gauntlet end game? And ripper gun?

[rigid wasp]

you get like 2 heavies or 3 lights from it as of rn, its a major pain only balanced by it being as powerful as it is

[floral birch]

I think it’s one of his top 3 for end game

[glass finch]

so the general setup for Veterans seem to be:
Kantrael MG XII Infantry Lasgun (traits?)
Munitorum MK III Power Sword with traits Slaughterer & Rampage

[shell cedar]

hooo boy....25 grimoires contract

yummy

[uncut tangle]

Reroll that lol

[shell cedar]

cant...no dough...xD

[fathom crag]

Hey there friends, is the "HAIL THE OMNISSIAH" penance where you unlock access to the shrine with Hadron broken?

I've got two characters to level 30 already and it didn't trigger.

[uncut tangle]

Most of the vet weapons are good so it's your choice

[floral birch]

It’s not hard just do level 2 missions for the GRIMS.

[shell cedar]

I think...on a balanced party and premade, XII las gun would be the best as its a special/elite killer

[uncut tangle]

Bolter is my goto but I heard that infernus recon is a boss killer

That's the high dmg lasgun right

[floral birch]

Just 11 missions if you’re lucky with your teamwork.

[split ibex]

i did 2 levels but the msision bar didnt rise, does mission mean something other than completing a stage?

[shell cedar]

bolter is just for playing with randos...coz it can do everything

[fathom crag]

I replaced that mission for grims and got a Kill 1000 dregs for a far higher / better reward. 240 points to 520

[shell cedar]

but still not ideal for special sniping with its ass iron sights

[cerulean pelican]

I like the rapidfire carbine one, can't remember the name, but zero recoil, so actually ends up being better at hitting elites imo

[shell cedar]

i dont think it deal damage to carapace tho...

[cobalt salmon]

is Shield the best thing just because of special?

[uncut tangle]

I have gotten surprisingly good at ads

[shell cedar]

or at least pitifully little damage

[cerulean pelican]

Nah, but I don't really see that as a Vet job

[uncut tangle]

Would be easier with a lasgun but oneshotting almost everything except ogryns on heresy is hilarious

[shell cedar]

thats true...i usually play with randos and always have to deal with crushers myself

[proud bluff]

which of the charging las guns is the best, 1 2 or 3

[floral birch]

I thought this weapon would work for zealots challenge of getting 50 kills in 10 seconds, while stunned.

[shell cedar]

nah flamer is easy on that

wait for horde, stun grenade and wait for the rest to catch up

then stun grenade and burn them all

[floral birch]

The armory says me no give you flamer

Since 16

[uncut tangle]

Most Randoms are nice so just ask for help

Most are happy to help you get achievement

[floral birch]

For sure

[fervent roost]

Yeah I got mine with a bolter 1st try

In lobby with bots

[north wolf]

How come the mission screen shows missions in progress, but when I try to join them I get launched into a new mission?

[floral birch]

Did you do it on damnation ?

[shell cedar]

i cant make force sword on psyker work..

seems a bit...weak compared to just regular axe or tactical axes

[fervent roost]

Yeah, did that and started alone, the just afkd until a horde came

[north wolf]

What's the issue?

[uncut tangle]

I like the force sword but the rapier is just so fun

[fervent roost]

Need a decent map tho with a hallway or something

[shell cedar]

doesnt seem to do enough damage

[floral birch]

Hmmmmmmm 🥴

[uncut tangle]

Reminds me of saltspire

[shell cedar]

like its almost single target just like the axes

it has that special charge attack which i guess its ok

but push attack costing peril is...wth

[north wolf]

I mean, it's for hitting small stuff, most should die in 2 quick hits. Then you gain the benefit of the special attack which you can use to quickly pump peril up, which you can then reduce with R or F to gain shield back (if you have the peril talent).

[shell cedar]

axe is also used to hit small stuff...1 shots even

well i guess i usually want peril to go down fast when im meleeing

[north wolf]

If you use peril reduction gives shield, peril gain will become a benefit instead of a downside.

[shell cedar]

then go back to using BB or staff

[slow fog]

Why do I keep getting people below 15 in my difficulty 4 games Q.Q

[shell cedar]

i dont think im at that level yet...as ive said. i havent experience high level psyker force sword play yet

right now tactical axes is my go to....which is kinda weird

[north wolf]

I get level 3s in difficulty 3, They really need to harshen up that level requirement.

[shell cedar]

i dont mind the 3s.......on my 30 characters..xD

i do mind 3s if im only 15

[north wolf]

Take the lowest level 5 talent. It'll help.

[shell cedar]

how would that help at all. you want peril to drop as fast as possible to gain toughnes

using push block on force sword stops peril from dropping

[north wolf]

If you press F you instantly gain a large chunk of shield since it deletes a lot of peril. And you can hold R to basically re-load your shield pretty quickly.

[shell cedar]

i think, any psykers spending time cooling peril down is wasted effort

[slow fog]

nah, thats a bad take haha

[shell cedar]

ok sure F clears it

that means only every 30 secs or whatever its cooldown

plus u using it for toughness....i use it to create space for oh shit moment to revive or take out staff

[north wolf]

Nah, it's fine. your job is to jump around and kill specials anyway, let others worry about killing the hordes.

[shell cedar]

ha....that would be the dream in a premade team

i played with so many rando that just rush and aggro everything in the world

and i have to sit back BB every single one ranged goon to save the round

[haughty radish]

is there any way to see what missions you need to do for the penances?

[shell cedar]

and when everything is over....i stand by the 3 people waiting to revive...do a squatting dance and tell them to learn not to rush stuff

[spiral goblet]

I just blast them with voidstrike tbh

[shell cedar]

hmm....i do like voidstrike but i prefer the flamer since it can take care of hordes really well

perhaps in a premade and well organized group sure

palpatine lightning build seems good too

[spiral goblet]

hm. I have a flame staff with the terrifying barrage blessing, so if there is a group of goons shooting I duck out of cover and send a quick blast. they usually run for cover, which gives me time to close and either continue flaming or just mince them in melee

it's not as easy as voidstrike, but it works unless they're legit ages away

ofc, it would be better if there was a vet shooting them all in the first place

[shell cedar]

i gotta try taht

im using a salvaged flamer staff only since the chaos gods of RNG is not being kind to me

[spiral goblet]

sounds like hEreSy

but fingers crossed you get a good one!

[raw arrow]

yeah unless it's a force sword with deflector i just dropped the whole weapon and went with a rapier. much happier and effective.

[shell cedar]

i dont get the rapier...it doesnt kill that 1 or 2 adds that gets in your way of BB and staffing

thats why its weird how i like the tactical axes on psykers lol

[peak valve]

I believe it lets you dodge more, it has mobility advantages.

[raw arrow]

it allows you to stay quick

[peak valve]

Or dodge further. Or something

[raw arrow]

force sword got me hit way more often

[leaden cove]

Worth?

[shell cedar]

hmmm...i do believe tactical axes also provide that kind of mobility

[raw arrow]

and you still kill most elites almost as fast since force sword needs the windup

[livid swan]

not worth

[raw arrow]

hey, you do you. im glad im not shoehorned to just one weapon like i felt we were as psykers

[shell cedar]

eww no

that 0.5 second does nothing...it takes 0.5 second to swing with a heavy atk

lol

[livid swan]

lmao

[leaden cove]

Yeah that makes sense lmao. I'm holding on for an eviscerator

[dry herald]

okay excuse me? i went 0 ammo and did not miss a single bullet ever. counted every single hitmarker for the 100% accuracy and no ammo remaining challegne and it did not count for me at all

[livid swan]

get a grey weapon and upgrade it to orange

with good stats, its all rng though

[shell cedar]

did you see blue hit marker?

[dry herald]

i did not

i did see it when i shot my friend but i got a kill and it went red

[shell cedar]

blame tzeentch then .lool

[dry herald]

no way

is that really a thing?

[shell cedar]

who knows

[dry herald]

fuuck..

[pallid echo]

are the "Limited Time Acquisitions" different for everyone?

[tired crown]

What's a good horde clearing ogryn melee weapon before you get a shield?

[tired crown]

Yes

[twin swallow]

Does upgrading a weapon through Consecration upgrades any of its stats? Or just simply adds a new perk or trait depending on the rarity?

[slow fog]

The club is pretty good haha

[tired crown]

Adds new traits and perks

[tired crown]

I've not had it change any of my stats*

[twin swallow]

I see, thanks

[tired crown]

Is the knife okay?

[warm raptor]

So how exactly would I go about finding a group to just... die/survive the ~9 minutes on hersery or whatever for the penance? Put it into the lfg-na, since that's about where I am?

[tired crown]

Yeah, you might be able to find others looking to do it as well.

I always see a lot of people in there hunting for groups to do penances

[slow fog]

Sorry ogryn is my least played, Im the wrong person to ask haha

Boy howdy that full heal penance is hard

Does anyone know if corruption stops the full heal penance from working? I assume yes, but yeesh is that rough

[old sonnet]

Are you using the low hp build with a good cleaving weapon.

[slow fog]

Im trying to cheese it with a knife

I did have a health curio on though, so shot for reminding me

[haughty radish]

I did it with a thunder hammer special attack killing a reaper

[slow fog]

Ah interesting

[old sonnet]

Ah I used Eviserator + the low health feats with a horde of dregs lol

[modest harness]

How often does Melk's shop rotate? It has a timer but it keeps refreshing before the timer runs out >.>

[tight cedar]

every 24 hours

[old sonnet]

For me it’s hourly but it’s not working as intended I assume because the timer says once per 24 hours

One item in the shop for me will remain static and everything else changes for some reason

[topaz citrus]

are all mission types enabled currently?

[north wolf]

Do recon lasguns have a hidden lower crit rating than infantry lasguns to make up for the fire rate?

[slow fog]

Fark Im only able to get like 77%. Maybe ill try evi

[azure mulch]

I think so, but some are very rare

[slow fog]

I assume its easier on difficulty 5?

Since enemies have more health?

[azure mulch]

I only got the sabotage one (I think) one time out of 50 matches

[north wolf]

Like, my 121 shot Infantry lasgun crits a whole bunch of times while emptying one magazine. my 106 ammo racon lasgun crits maybe once, sometimes none times during a full magazine.

[slow fog]

phew

[cosmic osprey]

what are groaners?

[north wolf]

Ur mo... I dunno some enemies I guess. You'll kill them eventually just playing.

[subtle urchin]

why am i not getting anything above level 400 in da shop
is there a way to increase item rank in shop/requisitorium?

[tight cedar]

the normal zombies below poxies

[normal tendon]

MK III and Mk V cleavers

Also the shovel is pretty good

[north wolf]

I have heard people claim that the shop offerings depend on the highest level you have on you. I had no confirmation for that yet, tho.

[normal tendon]

But tbh, basically all his weapons do well, outside of the Mk IV cleaver.

[rain dew]

mk3 and mk6 cleavers are really good, and will be better for killing than any shield you get. you run shield for cc/stagger, not damage

[storm laurel]

bull cleaver >>>>

[subtle urchin]

hmm i see, will equip my drippiest drip and see if it makes difference

[storm laurel]

you don't need your highest equipped

[north wolf]

I heard inventory is enough. So try to buy a 400 primary and secondary and see if that helps.

But again: Unconfirmed. I am repeating what I heard people say in this channel.

[celest turtle]

Good?

[heavy shuttle]

Yeah, pretty decent for horde clear

[celest turtle]

Excellent

[heavy shuttle]

Veteran?

[celest turtle]

Psyker Main

[heavy shuttle]

Ah. Don't yall have staffs or such?

[celest turtle]

Yeah but it's only good so much

[heavy shuttle]

From what Ive heard in here look into one of those fancy smancy staffs. Im sure there are psyker mains here who can chime in

[fallen shell]

Has anyone else seen that the leveling bar when you're level 18 going into 19 shows you being 19 going into 20 instead?
I just finished a match and it said I was level 20, but after I was shown as level 19 instead.

[subtle urchin]

what kind of gear level are you seeing in da shop?

[heavy shuttle]

Have you tried relogging?

[last zenith]

The highest I’ve seen in my shop is 414 at lvl 30

[fallen shell]

yeah, its happened twice today, and I've relogged between.

[proven escarp]

GG best ranged weapon for ogryn? or ripper?

[north wolf]

Thanks game.

[shell cedar]

*Cries...Zealot's helmet looks crap

[pseudo citrus]

its awful. makes you bald

[celest turtle]

Bald

[heavy shuttle]

I know there was a bug where folks werent leveling up right at beta launch. I thought they fixed it. Maybe give Fatshark forums a search. I know they were hashing it out there. Havent experienced that problem myself... yet

[sterile gate]

Does the Eviscerator not crit outside of the auto-crit ability hit?

[shell cedar]

also *Cries all grimoire missions are all heresy endless and damnation

[last zenith]

Finished Heresy today with lvl 30 Psyker, lvl 30 Zealot, 23 Sharpshooter and 22 Sharpshooter

Did 4 Heresy runs today, completed 3 out of 4

[tiny granite]

Heresy is fun as hell but rarely found a room in pubs 😢

[shell cedar]

how about heresy with endless horde....

[last zenith]

I wouldn’t trust pubs, You’ll get low levels who think they’re good at shooting games so they can crank up the difficulty lol

[heavy shuttle]

Voice coms were picking up in pubs tonight. Glad to see, it helps out

[sterile gate]

Also is there a reason the horizontal hit on the eviscerator won't lock in on shotgunners while the vertical will?

[last zenith]

I believe 2 or 3 of those heresy runs were endless horde

[tiny granite]

More sin to be cleanse, why not?

[wet bloom]

ive only managed herasy and endless horde once

[shell cedar]

sounds stressful

lol

[heavy shuttle]

its fun 😂

[north wolf]

Reroll grimoire missions. Grimoires are not worth it anyway and finding them is a pain.

[wet bloom]

most of the times I cant save

[shell cedar]

i think regular heresy is already.....quite hairy

[last zenith]

Only 2 members of my group were in comms together

2 groups of 2 friends lol

The other group might’ve had comms not sure

[shell cedar]

and suffer sire melk ire? for sigmar no

[cobalt salmon]

I kill snipers with it

[north wolf]

I rerolled stuff like grimoire and other BS into this. Very easily doable.

[last zenith]

I use my free reroll on the “complete x secondary objectives on x mission”

[shell cedar]

ehhh grimoire and/or scriptures are ok...pair it with complete 25 missions

[tiny granite]

400++ mission wow is that rare?

[shell cedar]

just be the one carrying the books and complete 25 runs

[last zenith]

I have the kill 1000 scab with melee mission

And 750 dregs with melee lol

[north wolf]

Finding them is a pain, and you can easily reroll them into way more chill missions.

[heavy shuttle]

Complete 400 missions in a week?

Fuck. That.

[shell cedar]

i do....like finding books LOL

weird

[last zenith]

I believe he’s talking about the weekly rewards

Not actually 400 missions lol

[cobalt salmon]

Ogryn moment

[tiny granite]

no ration for you

[last zenith]

Does anyone know if auras stack?

Like if you have 4 psykers do you get +40% damage vs elites?

[shell cedar]

[slow fog]

shiddd

[cobalt salmon]

game is not even out yet, and people are grinding like hell

[slow fog]

Zero point TWO percent

holy hell

[cobalt salmon]

for now

[shell cedar]

[cobalt salmon]

you need Jesus Emperor

[tiny granite]

steam percent is outdated by hours, gotta check in global achievement page for actual percent

[heavy shuttle]

Who is still going to be around in 6 months? Those are the folks I want to see

[mild lagoon]

out of the accatran mk 2, mk6d, and mk7a, is one of them better than the others?

[tiny granite]

btw does anyone knows if coherency bonus works on yourself when you're alone?
I mean those "Allies in coherency gain xxx" things

[storm laurel]

I think when it has that it's just telling you that your allies also get it

like on ogryns

well ogryns is based entirely on coherency so bad example

but yes

[azure grove]

is there any way to tell what mission types you have done for the penance ?

[storm laurel]

look under missions tab

[dusky aspen]

Is extra toughness or health Curios better for vet?

[storm laurel]

of penances

[storm laurel]

toughness

[heavy shuttle]

Wounds>toughness>health is what I use as conditions

[wet bloom]

I take stamina because zoom hehehe

[heavy shuttle]

or ADS feat

[wet bloom]

ads feat says it takes it by %

or does it work anyways?

[heavy shuttle]

Hrm... I hadnt considered that

[radiant salmon]

can anyone help my friend and I with finishing her penances? they want to complete tier 4 psyker ones but I feel I need a group of dedicated people for that.

[wet bloom]

something to test in the meatgrinder ig

[wet bloom]

which one is tier 4 one

[heavy shuttle]

Try the lfg discord chat, definitely have more luck there I think

[azure grove]

all I see is 5/7 completed but I have no clue which two I haven't done

[radiant salmon]

oop didnt know there was a lfg must have passed my eye

ill try there

[wet bloom]

it is infact very annoying

[rugged wigeon]

?/10

[dusky aspen]

My vet rn

[obtuse blaze]

this one is mine

[heavy shuttle]

I'd start looking for Power Sword asap. Catachan is decent but pales to PS cleave. Once you have PS for Armor Pen/Horde clear you wont need recon for close/mid horde clear and focus on longer range weaponry. My recommendation.

[wet bloom]

Stamina does change it

[dusky aspen]

i did have a powersword, it found it more of a hassle to use

[heavy shuttle]

Okay, thats interesting Mono.

[wet bloom]

tested with 4 stamina from curio and a revolver switching to no stamina curio and a bolter

[heavy shuttle]

🤔

[dusky aspen]

for heresy mainly

[wet bloom]

changed gun for maximum stamina change

[feral gust]

Do ANY recon guns come with scopes?

[dusky aspen]

i would take more dmg trying to power it up

[feral gust]

Dammit - it's just an autogun with RGB lights then?

[dusky aspen]

and using it unpowered feels stupidly clunky

[wet bloom]

not like you need a scope on recon

[dusky aspen]

the recon las with the burn trait is rather silly

[wispy fractal]

Is there a guide to the terminology of what all those abilities like rending refers to?
It seems like FS went to lengths to actually explain less than in VT2

[bold bronze]

I thought they mentioned a long time back that there would be attachments which would've made the iron sights of some of these weapons bearable.

[heavy shuttle]

Dodging out of combat, charge, heavy swing, heavy swing, dodge disengage, charge etc etc works for me very very well

[wet bloom]

Hmmmm firing also seems to reduce stamina further

[feral gust]

"Burn Trait?", "Unpowered": what madness is this?

[heavy shuttle]

Firing reduction as well as ADS taxes that feat's sta cost?

Kinda dumb

[dusky aspen]

i forgot the name of it, the one where if you crit with the lasgun it burns targets

[wet bloom]

Yeah

[heavy shuttle]

Infernus

[dusky aspen]

its stupid on the recon

[wet bloom]

At least we can use stamina curios for more

[dusky aspen]

i love it

[wet bloom]

thats nice

[uncut tangle]

Damn got glory hunter on my bolter

[heavy shuttle]

Infernusx4 perk apparently can do quite well against carapace ogryns

[bold bronze]

Because you have limbsplitter on it?

[dusky aspen]

not crushers sadly

oh?

i havent seen the 4x one

so i wouldnt know

2x does fuckall to them

[heavy shuttle]

I havent used it. Dude on forums was swearing by it. "Use before nerf!" and all that...

[ornate compass]

Yeah, it’s kinda weird but stamina ain’t all the important is it? Doesn’t stop you from dodging and most of the time you just gotta shunt, drop a made and hip fire or draw your power sword. I’d suggest investing in stamina recovery over more stamina though.

[dusky aspen]

the burn is good for everything but the crushers

[feral gust]

Infernus(i'm guessing is a semiauto) >> Recon?

[heavy shuttle]

Wouldnt having more sta for ads feat be better than recover since cost overrides regen?

[tired crown]

Infernus is a blessing you get on guns

[ornate compass]

Recon is great for inferno is

[wet bloom]

I plan on just focusing stamina and stamina recovery

[dusky aspen]

i just hope we can get the hotshot in the future

until then i use recon

[wet bloom]

Normally I aint the one going down, and the stamina proves useful for quick repositioning and the ads perk

[feral gust]

Recon >> Autogun?

[ornate compass]

Nah, more stam takes up the blessing slot on a curio.

[tired crown]

For infernus builds yeah, the high rate of fire applies burn stacks like mad

[dusky aspen]

watching the boss lose chunks of its hp is funny

[errant ginkgo]

can flamethrower for zealot crit?

[sly bane]

Anyone else have an issue trying to get a new contract? Doesn't change at all and even with finishing the sec. objective, it never counts either.

[feral gust]

I'll check it out and see if i can have enough prereq/money for it.

[ornate compass]

The recon las will melt a beast of Nurgle with the burn it puts out

[dusky aspen]

^

[tired crown]

Emperor's blessing on you

[ornate compass]

Extra wounds are very helpful.

[dusky aspen]

@heavy shuttle i would pick up a power sword again anyway, if it ever appaired in the store for me again

[wet bloom]

If im not going down, why

[dusky aspen]

[ornate compass]

Based and true

[heavy shuttle]

They are tough drops on coin store. Recommend checking out daily limited acquisitions too

[wet bloom]

Most of the time my team loses im the last one down so, vet just too powerful rn with the power sword

[ornate compass]

Still, you’ll burn through stam using Deadshot too fast for it to be even meaningful

[dusky aspen]

im just glad i got the penance armors for vet, never again

so annoying

[heavy shuttle]

I rely upon it for emergency snipers mostly

[ornate compass]

For the love of me, I can’t get the grenade to blow right. Wish there was a cook function.

[celest turtle]

Worth it?

[wet bloom]

I disagree, part it with dodging for extra stamina then sit in the open so my stamina stays well enoguh

like I said I mainly want it for quick repositioning

[heavy shuttle]

Thats a good perk for it

[dusky aspen]

I heard all the mission types are out now, but i havent seen them appear

[slow fog]

I love the mental image of the melee dog pile on the chaos lord bosses

[dusky aspen]

i need to do espionage for second helmet

[slow fog]

They come out being like HAHA I AM SO COOL LOOK AT MY SHIELD, and then 4 prisoners wallop him with shovels until he dies

[ornate compass]

They’re out. The espionage mission is the desert waste map

[heavy shuttle]

T3 helmet changes vets voice to a radio vox quality

[ornate compass]

Dope

[tropic raven]

Is it me or it's just buggged?

[heavy shuttle]

1 after 20 elite kills.

[ornate compass]

Nah, your mates just not using it.

[heavy shuttle]

They fix it?

[ornate compass]

Pretty sure.

[analog plover]

I saw espionage one time and it was D5, is it actually out? Haven't seen it once all day.

[slow fog]

Ive been in games where it works

[dusky aspen]

isnt that disruption?

[patent sapphire]

yeah the desert map is disruption

espionage came up one time today and it was damnation tier

[fair ore]

Oof

4 of my friends need that mission type for the penance

[ornate compass]

Oh, huh. Well I never played on damnation but I still got the penance

[fair ore]

I was lucky enough to get that type done on launch day

[ornate compass]

Must have been available atleast on malice

[patent sapphire]

it has been around before today

[keen elk]

for purposes of accuracy, does hitting more than one target count as hitting more than one target? Or does only the primary target matter?

so if I fire a plasma gun into a horde and it flat kills like 5 dudes, does that count as 500% accuracy?

[patent sapphire]

i doubt it

[keen elk]

so say I fire a total of 5 shots, 2 miss, but 3 of those shots hit more than one target.

[ornate compass]

No

[keen elk]

for a total accuracy of say 11 hits out of 5 shots

[heavy shuttle]

No

[ornate compass]

You miss, you miss

[keen elk]

the lamest accuracy calculator in existence

[ornate compass]

That penance is cancer

[keen elk]

guess I'm monstrocity hunting with a plasma gun

no ammo and a dedicated group

[dusky aspen]

I lost my mind getting that penance

glad it got it overwith

[keen elk]

for me, I theory crafted the shit out of lthe heresy penances

the "no melee damage on malice or higher" was the one that made me pull my hair out

you get cucked by tripping

the floor just dealt melee damage to you I swear

normally its a dog that speeds past that ends the deal

a gentle love tap

[ornate compass]

Nah

That was easy to cheese

Just disconnect at the end and rejoin

[sterile gate]

Whaaaat? Who would ever do such a thing?

.>

<.<

[dusky aspen]

true

[heavy shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/cease-your-heresy-warhammer-heresy-astartes-gif-18053812

[livid swan]

does anyone know if the curio that reduces gunner damage counts for the basic ranged enemies or just the gunner elite?

[ornate compass]

Didn’t do that on purpose but server stability made it happen

[keen elk]

sh, don't talk about it please.

[sterile gate]

https://youtu.be/RL8wLzZYcg8

[wide garnet]

I have a question. when looking at the damage stat for a weapon - does that refer to damage per shot, or damage per second?

[toxic stone]

Is this a texture or model bug? Is anyone else having deformed helmet like this

[north wolf]

Might just have bricked a run to get this one.

[ornate compass]

100% accuracy wouldn’t be that difficult if you also didn’t have to use all your ammo. Any mission though with a hoard at the end is a good candidate. Just gotta have a team that will carry you to the end though.

[heavy shuttle]

Looks like a mutant got a'hold of ya lad.

[toxic stone]

Yep

The helmet is a mutant.

[fathom kite]

What difficulty do you find the daemonhost on?

[toxic stone]

I'm going to verifying my game

[sterile gate]

When skills refer to your weapons alt fire, what do they mean? Am I gonna be losing stamina while my flashlight is on, lol?

[heavy shuttle]

aim down sight

[sterile gate]

Aaah

[untold herald]

is heresy no mods bugged to always have endless horde?

[ocean flower]

Try going into the psykanium to test the quick throw arc? And where it’ll detonate start different angles. I didn’t have much trouble with that one just casually yeeting a grenade across a bridge mid-horde

[severe fulcrum]

I did this pretty easy.
Game crashed right before the boss fight, loaded in with 3 rounds in my gun, fired it into the boss's shield then went full melee. Challenge complete. Could easily be replicated with an alt+f4

[toxic stone]

And it is still deformed

[elfin ingot]

this gun went from Good to Doodoo.

[severe fulcrum]

That is not a great blessing you got there lol

[heavy shuttle]

autoguns are always doodoo 😖

[tight cedar]

thats nearly identical to the one i have lul

the gun is a beast but blessings are trash

[elfin ingot]

i like my autogun. can Anti-Snipe a sniper from 100m away with it. plus single shot is capable of killing low end enemies with 1-2 shots.

[snow pewter]

Anyone available to assist with helping earn make every shot count?

[heavy shuttle]

Discord has a LFG-region chat Ive seen folks use for penance groups 🤙🏻

[snow pewter]

Ive never heard of the LFG-region chat, what is it?

[heavy shuttle]

vox-lfg-(insert your region here). Tagged you in the NA one.

[snow pewter]

oooh okay okay gotcha, thank you!

[shrewd pendant]

is there a spreadsheet yet of all possible blessings on guns?

[rigid wasp]

What does this do exactly? just increased damage taken?

[sour depot]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons

[rain dew]

can friends will be friends be cheesed?

[hollow flame]

Is this actually an upgrade? Damage is way higher, but pen is down

[hollow flame]

Reduces enemy armor on target for all allies

[ornate compass]

Don't think I'd be able to relaunch and connect quickly enough

Takes like 7 minutes for me

[severe fulcrum]

That is very unfortunate.
Takes maybe 2 on the long side for me, and when I got back my team of randoms were thankfully waiting for me at the elevator before going to the boss. Maybe if you had a team of friends to hold up there and wait for you?

Just make sure you use almost all your ammo first

[keen elk]

so something I noticed

[rain dew]

Anyone know if you can cheese the Ogryn coherency penance?

[nova cipher]

what is ~highest blue curio?

[ornate compass]

feels like the only way to really acheive these impossible pennances is to break them and make the reward just meaningless

[keen elk]

in psykanium I can literally take a shotgun and make my focus fire ability last for like 5 minutes and 82 shotgun shells byu killing the same 3 marked gunners.

But in heresy, you get JUST the 3 seconds and it's duration doesn't reset.

[broken galleon]

Does Zealot's "Nothing But the Abyss" penance require you to recover 100HP minimum, even if your infections/wounds make your current max HP less than that?

[broken galleon]

I had a 90 and have seen 91 in store

[keen elk]

why does duration not refresh the way it should in heresy mode?

is it a latency thing?

[ornate compass]

is this heresy in the psykanium?

[analog oasis]

Hey, could some of you help me with the Gouing out with a bang penance?

[keen elk]

Yeah I set it to heresy to see how my damage pans out

[heavy shuttle]

Ive seen folks get help with penances in the vox-lfg(region) channels

[spare tangle]

So my zealot penance is broken? the kill a mutant while charging with a melee strike ive done it 4 times and it isnt completing

what gives

[ornate compass]

no clue, sounds like a bug to me but so would how fast Deadshot drains stamina when you fire

could just be an unlisted feature

[analog oasis]

Oh thank you!

[sterile gate]

You're charging too, right?

Using your class ability

[spare tangle]

Yeah

[sterile gate]

Dunno. Might just be mistiming it?

Gotta make sure you hit and kill mid-charge

Took me forever to get myself

[spare tangle]

i guess do it on a lower difficulty to 1 shot it?

[keen elk]

deadshot being the stability perk? Yeah that has zero effect on it, I was just able to waste like 400 ammo on a charging las rifle and stayed at 0% stamina the whole time and didn't drop focus fire once

[hollow flame]

I've seen a zealot kill a charger mid charge, using their ult 6 times today, didn't get the penance

[arctic plover]

update to my earlier post, not an insane 2nd blessing. But im not sure how usefull this is. Certainly will help be more efficient.

[hollow flame]

with the kill confirmed

[spare tangle]

See thats why i thought it was bugged

[sterile gate]

Oof, may just be bugged :(\

[hollow flame]

How long does the reduced ammo use last...

[wet bloom]

I desire deadly accurate so much now that I know it exists

[arctic plover]

Frankly im not sure, never had it on a gun ive bothered to use. This one has been my baby and hits like a truck on heresy/damnation so well see

[sterile gate]

I'm upset that I don't have this

[heavy shuttle]

Its not 'too' terrible with the XII but yeah, overall very nice sniper

[wet bloom]

Can itbe my baby too?

[rain dew]

does friends will be friends work on malice or is it bugged to only work on heresy? can't find a straight answer

[heavy shuttle]

Most of us are.

[arctic plover]

its everyones baby

[hoary turret]

This worth picking up from Melk's?

[heavy shuttle]

Decent. Would be nice with a +wound bar though. Especially for melks

[sterile gate]

I'd pass on it

[hoary turret]

Can you get +wound on a secondary?

[heavy shuttle]

Wounds on a curio yes.

[sterile gate]

The corruption resistance is nice, but I want +wounds and +health from my curios since health is currently way too valuable

[heavy shuttle]

Toughness for Vet, I believe. Not sure for rest of classes

[sterile gate]

I'd say toughness once/if health chip through toughness gets removed >.>

[arctic plover]

can confirm its pretty useless, it lasts for 1 shot lmao

[sterile gate]

Pfffft

So basically its for the plasma gun

But rolls on everything. Whee

[arctic plover]

yes most def for that, im gonna save this and then reroll the blessing in the second spot since its just such a good roll lmao

other than that of course.

[median grail]

am i to believe this is what they call "phat loot"

[heavy shuttle]

Did you hear about them changing their minds on the progression carry over?

[arctic plover]

no tweets or anything on it. any source?

[heavy shuttle]

My jealousy. 🤣

[arctic plover]

oh lmao haha

I feel it, but the emperor smiles upon us all

[heavy shuttle]

Ive gotten a few folks with good rolls on that joke this week >:)

[sterile gate]

I'm not even worried about my rolls, I just don't wanna redo any of my penances lol

[heavy shuttle]

Yeah, Im pretty sure there would be a boycott if they tried it now.

Penances were just that much of a pain in the ass.

[ornate compass]

RIP, check that mobility though. That’s unfortunate for a weapon that gives you bonuses for dodging.

[crisp obsidian]

talking about penances, any tips for completing shocking stuff on zealot? might be my unluck or skill issue but im having troubles

[ornate compass]

A power sword is a power sword and you’re still leveling but it ain’t all that great.

[slow fog]

So there is nothing but the abyss, I assume if you have any corruption you cant do it

[heavy shuttle]

Penances are never a skill issue, just a 'beating your head against a brick wall' issue.

[ornate compass]

Or just cheat

[heavy shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-outta-here-hit-him-pet-dog-doggy-gif-16110979

[median grail]

havent had as much trouble with any penances than i have the perils of the warp'ing 3 specials

hate this thing

[ornate compass]

Cheaters always win

Cause they play strictly by the rules

[heavy shuttle]

I can legit say that 100% accuracy penance made me 100% better at PS melee.

[slow fog]

Oof I was so close

95%+

Forgot to trigger my F

[dusky aspen]

Made me want to 100% accuracy myself

[fierce totem]

I completed it when I held F while charging a mutie. Without doing that, I'd "completed" the criteria multiple times but it didn't acknowledge. 🤷

[prisma jackal]

what's :"mobility" do on the boltgun?

[slow fog]

I believe mobility is just run speed while equipped

[heavy shuttle]

Replaces the concrete in your boots with gym weights.

[slow fog]

I hate not being able to solo queue

[ornate compass]

Sire Melk is now Sour Milk

[dusky aspen]

aka rock lee?

[slow fog]

Oh good, I joined another game that had already lost, so now my game is stuck

[heavy shuttle]

I heard a ***rumor ***about solo matches being available sometime in dec? No reference though 😦

[slow fog]

Yeah Im trying to do full heal penance

And basically trigger a horde and if I fail start again

[tired crown]

It was in a blog post, I can try to find it but I promise that's what they said

[fierce totem]

I believe it's been stated somewhere that solo w/ bots / private matches will be available upon launch?

[heavy shuttle]

Go forth and CTR+F, my friend. 🫡

[proven escarp]

Rumbler, GG, or Ripper for late game Ogryn?

[rustic geyser]

ripper

[dusky aspen]

well i dont believe espionage is in now, imma just leave my game how it is until 30th

[rustic geyser]

its the only viable range option for ogryn

[flat sand]

How does blocking with the force sword interact with the peril blocking feat on psyker?

[dusky aspen]

and take a break from the game

[slow fog]

You block with perils

[heavy shuttle]

Nobody liked that

[dusky aspen]

fair

dont blame them

[proven escarp]

its kinda funny as i keep asking every 3-4 hours and it seems everyone has a diff opinion on what ogryn uses for ranged at end game

[flat sand]

so no difference?

[heavy shuttle]

You should ask which gun is better for vet, bolter or XII? That'll start another war.

[dusky aspen]

unless espionage decides it wants to exist now

[tired crown]

#📢news-bulletin message

[dusky aspen]

trick question, its clearly the recon

[tired crown]

Can't link directly to steam news post, on mobile and the app doesn't gimme that option.

[slow fog]

Man, if I wasn't ruined by any corruption, this penance wouldnt be so bad

[dusky aspen]

but i dont find the bolter fun to use at all

[ornate compass]

Bolter, easily.

[heavy shuttle]

There you have it, late december

[tired crown]

That kind of questioning only brings out the contrarians who prefer the revolver

[ornate compass]

Revolvers are a good meme

[heavy shuttle]

In my efforts to troll weapon talk, I trolled myself.

[dusky aspen]

[tired crown]

No, no. They're superior to bolters in every way, see.

[ornate compass]

Wish they had a more interesting design though

[heavy shuttle]

Anyone taking up arms for XII?

[ornate compass]

Lol

[azure cove]

I can't get over how badly the bolter handles. Everyone swears by it but

[dusky aspen]

which one is Xll?

[azure cove]

I have a full auto torrent lasgun and I love it

[dusky aspen]

Yes

[tired crown]

Hard hitting, slow rate of fire

[heavy shuttle]

Guess I'm it.

[dusky aspen]

i like all the lasguns

but recon i love

[old sonnet]

So. I got a weekly from Sire Melk for a map that doesn't seem to be on the board (I think it is the espionage one) so I want to re-roll it. But it won't re-roll.

Any ideas on how to fix that

[dusky aspen]

^ this

[tired crown]

They both have their place though, no? I like the XII and also the bolter, I can't choose unless I'm filling a specific role

[azure cove]

Tried the bolter in two missions and it was awful. High damage is literally the only thing it has going for it. It's super inaccurate, couldn't hit a shotgunner at mid-range.

[slow fog]

weep

[old sonnet]

F to 1200+ coins this week? Big sadge.

[azure cove]

I was able to 1shot elites which was cool but othertimes I'd just whiff entire clips and it has like, no ammo economy

[slow fog]

Oh my fuggin lord

I hate this penance

[rigid wasp]

anyone figure out what t his icon on the right mens?

[hard goblet]

It's part of the background.

[dusky aspen]

I like the slower firing recon las a tad bit more

[rigid wasp]

Oh my god you're right

[dusky aspen]

but in the end i am using the recon until i can get the hotshot

whenever that is

[tired crown]

Anybody who uses the XII over the bolter is a savage, a fool, and a heretic.

[pseudo citrus]

ow ow

[heavy shuttle]

So as the vet, we have to consider what our role in DT really is. That being, mid-long range supression/elimination of ranged threats. Not -just- elites/specials but those pesky ranged trash mobs too.

While ogryn/zealots are dealing with melee specialists/elites/trash very well.... and quite often not in need of any help... they get supressed and chewed to pieces once ranged mobs reach a certain critical mass.

So in dif 4+, there is an almost never-ending Tide (lol) of these ranged enemies in all shapes and sizes engaging our team from mid to long range. The vet needs -accurate-, -sustainable-, and -rapid- fires to deal with this threat that will very easily and quite quickly down an entire team.

The bolter is great at armor penetration but against 20+ ranged trash... its far too slow. Mission failed.

The recon is great at close-mid range horde clear but... fails at consistent and -sustained- fire for the entirety of the match... Not -all- the ammo can go to the vet and the recon sucks up alot of it.

Plasma is outclassed by the bolter.

Autoguns are outclassed by the lasgun.

Buy a Kantrael MG XII, your team will thank you.

[keen elk]

I use the charge las... because it can one shot things rather quickly.

and I haven't been lucky enough to find an XII I don't think

[heavy shuttle]

Iron sights in this game are terrible. Long range is pretty tough (for bayonet lasgun). As for the bayonet, it is a terrible alternative to the Power Sword which is an absolute beast of a (vet-only) melee weapon.

[keen elk]

the power sword I use consistently

I just use charge for the one shot on trash mobs

[stone wing]

alright gamers
I am once again asking for you to tell me what the highest rated gray weapon you have seen in the game is
screenshots for grays over 360 would be appreciated

[keen elk]

and with stability it dominates the mid-range

as long as a target is MARKED though I can pretty reliably land long range shots

[tired crown]

Sound reasoning as long as your team is dependable. A bolter in the hands of a skilled veteran can easily pick off enemies while also filling the role of back brace when carrying sub par rejects becomes too much of a burden. Combined with feats* that lower reload speed and automatically reload upon ability activation, not only can you suppress enemy ranged units effectively but you can also force your team to victory whether they like it or not.

[hidden pelican]

Do they buff/nerf classes a lot? I’m unfamiliar with the series I’ve been playing for only a week. I’m a lvl 30 zealot though and have cleared some heresy level missions

[tired crown]

347 is my highest, mate*

[dusky aspen]

bolter is too annoying for me

[keen elk]

only 2 here, and usually the enemy pulls some stupid bullshit that loses the game.

[round token]

for vermintide it takes them years to perfect it, tho they forgot most of the lesson in darktide lol

[heavy shuttle]

So you're saying the bolter can eliminate all targets (unarmored, flak, carapace) where as the XII can only eliminate unarmored and flak?

[keen elk]

they should allow singleplayer mods so I can mod in a custodian guard and lol because its definitely the engine for it

[heavy shuttle]

Because thats the argument I made for the bolter when someone else was arguing for the XII, yesterday.

[keen elk]

anyway, ignore me.

[tired crown]

I'm saying in a crisis I'd have the bolter, but to stay out of the crisis to begin with I'd take the XII if I'm being totally honest. With reliable teammates I'd go XII

[mystic wyvern]

As a Psyker in a lights out mission, is there a way to bring a light source with a staff or do I just have to bring a gun for one?

[hidden pelican]

Doesn’t Bolter have like 90 ammo? No way you can do your job as a Vet in difficulty 4+ with that. No way in hell.

[stray arrow]

hey what level do i have to reach as ogryn to get slab shield

[tired crown]

Bring a gun or rely on teammates

The fire staff makes some light though

[mystic wyvern]

Sounds good!

[keen elk]

got my slab at like 10+

[tired crown]

I've done it plenty of times, not sure what else to say? Pick targets, aim well, melee when you can. As vet you get 112 rounds plus 15 in the mag.

[keen elk]

the average half-mag on a bolter can kill most hardy foes

[heavy shuttle]

Funny thing is, the arguments for bolter/XII can be made and neither party is incorrect. My solution? 2 vets in a team, one with XII and the other with Bolter. Ogryn and 'maybe' a psyker? The zealot role can be filled in by both the vets with power swords... Sorry zealots.

[surreal acorn]

I hate to come in and ruin this conversation, but can you not put spaces in names? simple yes or no, and I imagine this has been asked a thousand times so sorry about that

[heavy shuttle]

For horde clear, that is.

[stray arrow]

hey what level do i have to reach as ogryn to get slab shield

[tired crown]

My best 4+ missions have been 2-3 vets and an ogryn, mix of bolters and lasguns

[hidden pelican]

I agree with gunship, vets in difficulty 4+ need to focus down all ranged threats. I don’t care if your bolter can kill carapace, my eviscerator kills them just fine. Ranged enemies screw us ogryns and zealots. I run a Lasgun on my Zealot in Heresy because a lot of vets don’t focus down ranged targets so I take it upon myself to do it

[heavy shuttle]

I could not at the time of beta preorder launch.

[keen elk]

got mine about 10+

[tired crown]

I believe around 12+?

[surreal acorn]

okay someone tell me as a person whos only played zealot

what does the veteran contribute

this is not a jab

[keen elk]

Ranged superiority

[surreal acorn]

do they get a scope?

[heavy shuttle]

If you scroll up a tad, I posted a few paragraphs on the matter.

[keen elk]

most of the time they don't need it

[tight cedar]

as a vet on difficulty 4+ its not feasible to be taking out all the ranged enemies without hoovering up all the ammo and being an overall detriment to the team

who cares about carapace when you have a power sword anyway

[keen elk]

be a better shot?

but that's why you get an ogryn and psyker

psyker rarely uses ammo

[heavy shuttle]

With XII's massive ammo hold and high sustain via the lasgun benefit of many bullets per ammo source, it removed the strain on the team.

[keen elk]

and ogryn can smack shit

[tired crown]

Idk, maybe I'm doing it wrong. Or more right? I've used XII, bolter, and recons on 4+ without issue.

[ruby depot]

Grenades exist and you are getting ammo back for special kills

[tight cedar]

yeah the XII is better than the bolter for a vet on 4+

id argue the agripinaa mk1 autogun is better than the XII

for 4+

[heavy shuttle]

Ammo back is kinda a drop in the bucket with how many ranged enemies the game throws at you at Dif 4 and 5.

[tired crown]

You say that with so much finality and confidence but it's just not objectively true

[heavy shuttle]

wut

[keen elk]

https://gyazo.com/f475af850273ce5a120ed4a12923c69b this is what I use.

[crisp obsidian]

I feel sad now as a zealot main, i know in a game you can't exactly make all the classes useful/fit a role, but to know that my main is useless still feels sad ;-;

[hidden pelican]

What is your zealot load out? I use an eviscerator and lasgun. Eviscerator clears everything except ranged, and my gun clears ranged reliably. I’m not sure there’s a better load out to run really

[keen elk]

mainly becuase I have been unlucky with store drops and haven't had a good blue XII show up

[ruby depot]

The drop in the bucket varies with the efficacy of the gun. The Bolter has the advantage of suppressing the fuck out of the groups of shooters you're dealing with

[hidden pelican]

It’s not useless at all. I’ve carried difficulty 4 missions

[keen elk]

though suppressing them also adds the negative of "they scatter and are harder to hit"

[tired crown]

You're not useless by any means. I've grouped with tons of zealots that were outright incredible, just have to get into the swing of things with it ^ ^

[tight cedar]

considering the job of the vet to be to clear standard ranged enemies along with contributing to swarms and taking out specials at all ranges yes it is

[heavy shuttle]

Elimination trumps suppression (until it gets fixed by devs)

[tight cedar]

the XII is far more versatile while also being able to do insane damage with headshots

[heavy shuttle]

-When- the bolter gets nerfed, it won't be that way.

[tight cedar]

and way better ammo efficiency and being way faster in all regards

[ruby depot]

Not really, you can still only shoot X amount of things at a time, shooting X and suppressing Y is superior

Even without suppression working great

[keen elk]

suppression has ruined my penances too often

I can't eliminate 5 in quick succession if they all scatter to the wind the second their mate explodes violently

[heavy shuttle]

Btw, the chat was dead until we fucked around about the 'bolter vs XII' war.

[keen elk]

lol

[tired crown]

I was going to say, you're great at instigating

[keen elk]

I'm the outlyer saying the lucius is good

[ruby depot]

I like the Lucius too

[keen elk]

takes getting used to

[tight cedar]

the reason i say agripinaa mk1 over the XII is because its full auto with chunky headshot damage being able to one tap standard ranged enemies at all ranges while having nearly 400 rounds

[heavy shuttle]

🤣

[tired crown]

But I'm not going to argue with opinions as facts folk, just turns into shouting and eye rolling until I get a headache

[ruby depot]

But I've had too many instances of the Lucius not going Pew when I want it to

[tight cedar]

so in instances where headshots arent realistic the agripinaa wins out

[dusky aspen]

whats the difference between the 3 types of helbore lasguns

[rigid wasp]

Braced autogun is also nice if you're a magdump type of guy

[keen elk]

bayonet type

[heavy shuttle]

Headshots are a vet's life blood.

[hidden pelican]

Most forums I see people say Vet is OP and the other three classes suck. But I main a zealot and I find them very strong, so I don’t trust too many online opinions anymore.

My gut says Vet is op, and the other three classes are fine (have at least one/two viable load outs for Heresy+) but could use more viable weapons/variety

[tired crown]

I've personally had 4+ missions be legitimately easy with bolters and also XIIs, even recons.

[keen elk]

charge rate/bayonet animation/damage/stoppingpower

[heavy shuttle]

just think, the vet has been nerfed once since pre-order release already.

[valid fog]

Gotta take opinions with a grain of salt and see who’s doing the complaining

[north wolf]

Just hit level 30 on psyker. Quicken seems like a joke of a talent.

[rain dew]

if we're talking about meta, there's no world in which the boltgun is going to be a superior choice over the xii for the veteran's purpose within a group

[tired crown]

This is the way to go, reading stuff where everyone is so certain of their position doesn't help at all. I think some outside perspective is good but it's the internet, everyone is right and you're doing it wrong if you disagree.

[keen elk]

the MKI tends to have the highest damage but lowest stability.

MKII tends to have higher stability but less stopping power

MKIII tends to have low damage, high charge rate, high stability, ok stopping power.

[heavy shuttle]

Helbore 1 and 2 are kinda similiar. Helbore 3 is kinda superior in my opinion because instead of a 'poke' with the bayonet, you instead -swing- the bayonet. Nice CC...... compared to the other 2 helbores... not compared to the PS

[tired crown]

Is the melee even worth doing?

[keen elk]

its a last resort

[tired crown]

Makes sense

[keen elk]

it does standard sword swing damage

[ruby depot]

Good to interrupt an attack to pull your PS

[heavy shuttle]

In my opinion not at this time... But my inner krieg still has a helbore for froggy friday nights.

[tired crown]

For when yer stuck in the trenches

[keen elk]

helbore and shovels

[heavy shuttle]

This.

[ornate compass]

Didn’t even realize there were multiple variants of the Kreiger rifle

[ruby depot]

I look at it as a push that can kill unarmoreds

[keen elk]

they need to have a god-tier shovel variant "Krieg Entrenchment Tool" and it's just full armor pen and full damage.

[heavy shuttle]

First the cosmetics.

[rain dew]

if you're pugging heresy/damnation then imo it's as necessary for a veteran to bring an xii as people think it is for ogryn to bring a shield; as in, you're handicapping yourself and your team if you don't have one

[tired crown]

It's great that it's working so well for you! My XII is the only gun I've actually dumped resources in to improve, the bolters I use are low power level blues haha

[hollow island]

the shovel felt nice from when I used it but it's hard to use anything that isn't the shield

[heavy shuttle]

Because fuck the storyline, there isn't enough of it to justify -not- having a death corps cosmetic pack in a 40k FPS survival game.

[ruby depot]

Also you're the inquisition, they steal things all the time.

[hollow island]

that ability is really nice and being able to walk forward at people with guns is nice, plus your heavy attacks just hit so wide

[keen elk]

they just have a krieg cosmetic in red and black

[heavy shuttle]

5 or 6 cutscenes of storyline is insufficient compared to the Death Corps Fanboy sweat.

[keen elk]

with a big ol I on the helmet

[tired crown]

I get you, it's tricky with them when some weapons have clear best blessings and others are a bit more nebulous. There's a website that shows all available blessings for each weapon, want a link?

[rigid wasp]

Do you have to extract with grimoires for that weekly or merely pick them up?

[vagrant palm]

i have the same with psyker

[keen elk]

also hey, when are the espionage missions gonna cycle back through

[tired crown]

Extract them, yeah

[ornate compass]

Extract

[hollow island]

i actually didn't like the default las gun, but I haven't used it since level 1

[heavy shuttle]

When we can modify weapons by their attachments, the meta will go away and this convo becomes alot more personalized. Scopes/magazines(ammo type)/bayonet attachment vs flashlight vs stability)

[surreal acorn]

guys this is entirely subjective

[hollow island]

the light mg 4 felt really nice

[surreal acorn]

but should I make a vet or ogryn next

[ornate compass]

Really sucks cause your team will hate you for picking them up

[keen elk]

I want my hotshot lasguns

[tired crown]

Please. Stop. I can only get so aroused.

[surreal acorn]

been playing a lot, I dont want my only character to get too many levels above me gf

[keen elk]

Give my veteran the ability to use a hotshot volleygun

[hollow island]

when can I get an akimbo weapon

[tight cedar]

i thought obesefish said they were not going to do attachments?

[ruby depot]

Modifying with attachments is tech heresy

[keen elk]

incorrect

its tech porn

[surreal acorn]

honestly do you think were technomancers

[tired crown]

Here you go!
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons

[hollow island]

i'd just replace every bash with a flashlight

[keen elk]

modifying internals is heresy

[heavy shuttle]

Not if the weapon isn't blessed. (IIRC, not a lore junkie))

[ruby depot]

All weapons are blessed out of the forge, adjusting their blessed patterns is tech heresy of a minor order

[keen elk]

I am FURTHER blessing them with modification

[rigid wasp]

sounds like heresy to me

[ruby depot]

But what the mechanicus doesn't know can't hurt you

[heavy shuttle]

I thought only the bolter was blessed, and space marines mod their shit all the time. The inquisition could most certainly bend those rules. The techs and the Empire are kinda 'two' seperate entities anyway.

[tired crown]

Dunk the acog in holy water or oil or whatever and you're good to go

[heavy shuttle]

Referencing the treaty of mars.

[keen elk]

also

[tired crown]

Recite the holy catechisms of further refining the machine spirits divine will. It spoke to me in a dream

[keen elk]

we're inquisition

and we DONT have hotshot weapons available to us like the scions do?

[tired crown]

Even though martian machine spirit worshippers are HERETICS

[keen elk]

I want my helgun

[ruby depot]

You're penal-inquisition

[keen elk]

at 30 you become FULL inquisition

so no

[heavy shuttle]

Spoilers to disagree.

[ruby depot]

Even then you're a ||acolyte|| and that's barely a trusted agent

[heavy shuttle]

But not a prisoner.

[keen elk]

pay attention to dialogue man.

at 30 you ARE trusted

[heavy shuttle]

Apart of the warband.

[keen elk]

XD

[north wolf]

Can't decide between warp battery and kinetic overload.

[ruby depot]

The rank they give you isn't of any significance is what I'm saying

[heavy shuttle]

By the Inquisitor himself, (sorry for spoilers to the newcomer))

[ruby depot]

It's by the interrogator

[keen elk]

correct

interrogator

Grendyl is the inquisitor

[heavy shuttle]

Ahh

Close enough?

[ruby depot]

You're the crony's crony.

[heavy shuttle]

At least we're not in jail anymore.

[ruby depot]

True, not being in jail is a plus

[unkempt basin]

If I re-roll a weekly, is it possible to re-roll it into a higher than Medium complexity for the purpose of increasing my potential weekly yield of coins?

[heavy shuttle]

But the modifications of weapons could still be a very real and doable thing.

[tired crown]

Yeah, but not reliably so and it costs more each reroll.

[heavy shuttle]

As could a SoB additional career. Heard that voice line earlier today.

[ruby depot]

It could be. It may be. But at the very least the tech-priest oughta be pissy lore-wise

[rigid wasp]

yeah its unfortunate

[heavy shuttle]

A counterpoint was made that the zealot with armor pen didn't need a bolter vet.

I would tend to agree.

For the sheer fact that a rearguard surprise horde is alot easier to handle with a zealot assisting the vet, instead of all ranged fires going offline to both respond to it.

[tired crown]

I think that's a good strategy to really hammer away at elites and enemy gunners. The XII does such a good job popping heads and with the level 25 feat that uses stamina to increase critical/weapon sway, you'll be bursting more heads than any psyker.