gameplay-help

[wanton girder]

Might be right, my expectations are coming from vermentide 2 fire wizard

[slow fog]

Psykers rule, use voidstrike. If you aren't feeling like a god on difficulty 3, its a skill issue

[crisp widget]

Personally i think BB might need a bump in damage or something to make it better, otherwise I kinda like psyker

[shut crown]

Yree

They need some feat or two to upgrade it

[signal cipher]

Unrelated but your pfp is cute

[shut crown]

Also pls remove toughness damage bleedthrough

[hidden frigate]

@crisp widget bb does enough, you just need and keep your warp charges

[crisp widget]

Thank you ^^

[dapper turret]

also dregg unners have flak armor on their back

[ruby depot]

Soulburn getting a little buff would help

[lapis raven]

soulburn is, i think, a support ability

[rugged wigeon]

Is this worth buying and upgrading?

[signal cipher]

From melee? That would make melee a joke lol

[lapis raven]

i heard someone saying people afflicted with it took +40% damage

[dapper turret]

Now for the SCAB gunner

Head has flak armor

Legs are unarmored

[wanton girder]

Thats prolly the most useful part of a psyker, bulwarks really look like the perfect enemy for a psyker

[ruby depot]

That's a separate perk I thought?

[lapis raven]

soulburn essentially lets your other guys chop way through bois

[wanton girder]

Thanks for the answers mates

[dapper turret]

Arms have flak armor

[shut crown]

Dont care, i hate being downed by a sneeze when im on full tougness

[lapis raven]

skill issue

[crisp widget]

I mean I just feel it doesn't do it's part, even with charges it's suppose to be this big single target damage but it does very little imo

[lapis raven]

stop getting smacked to 2hp

[cobalt salmon]

friend playing veteran says Power Sword is too good, it's not even fun on lower than Heresy

[ruby depot]

Don't lose health

[signal cipher]

Simply block

[lapis raven]

power sword is overtuned yeah

[shut crown]

They make me want to servitorize myself

[lapis raven]

general consensus rn

[shut crown]

*dont play the game

[lapis raven]

vet oveshadows everyone because of bolter and power sword

[shut crown]

Truth

[signal cipher]

It's moveset is boring thooooo

[crisp widget]

and infernus

[slow fog]

BBs power isnt from raw damage, its from being able to nab people in hard to hit places and hide in an area safe from ranged

[crisp widget]

but others can get infernus aswell

[grave heart]

just dodge lmfao you are litterally invincible doing it

[slow fog]

On diff 3, BB is still very strong

On 4 it falls off somewhat

[lapis raven]

infernus is scuffed yeah, they're probably put a stack cap on it soon

[shut crown]

They'll be getting melta guns on launch to

[slow fog]

But it doesnt matter

Its still very strong

[signal cipher]

WHO

[crisp widget]

I understand that, but it's just my personal opinion on the class after playing it

[shut crown]

Ima just sell my pc that way i wont take damage

[ruby depot]

I'm curious as to what the two-hand force sword will do

[shut crown]

Vets ofc

[signal cipher]

Please not the vet

[rigid wasp]

it would be nice if the power sword nerf made it so that it didn't need to be flicked on every two seconds

[signal cipher]

Noooo

[shut crown]

HAHAH

[grave heart]

you'd rather sell your pc than hit space
nice

[shut crown]

Gottem

Lot less effort

[signal cipher]

I just want my lasguns man

[shut crown]

Get them

[signal cipher]

Give me a hot shot

[ruby depot]

Oh man I gotta actually play the game

[grave heart]

imo the power sword nerf should just be infinite full dmg cleave, no bonus dmg.

[hidden frigate]

I feel kinda sad, that i pushed my zealot to 30, but kinda think in late game, he is useless... in a squad

[shut crown]

Can you even imagine the audacity

[slow fog]

what difficulty?

[hidden frigate]

the higest one

[shut crown]

I feel the same, unironically. Im too squishy to frontline, but not as good as a vet or psyker to backline

[slow fog]

Going from 3 to 4 I felt my zealot become a lot less effective

Ah right

[rigid wasp]

how did you even come to that conclusion

[signal cipher]

Yeah zealot to me at least feels like the weakest class

[crisp widget]

I like having a zealot in the front line

[raw sage]

Psyker be like

[slow fog]

Yeah IMO balance on 4+ is wonky

Which honestly makes sense

[ruby depot]

Pushing out of cohesion is what gets a lot of zealots killed

[slow fog]

FS will be balancing for 1-3 since thats what 95% of people are going to be playing for the first month or so

[hidden frigate]

yeah i mean, i would rather have an ogryn, psyker and vet in my team.

[dapper turret]

also headshots do significantly less damage to maulers

[raw sage]

I actually feel like vets are the only class you could run 4x of and still be fine on higher tiers

[dapper turret]

You actually do more damage with bodyshots

[shut crown]

Yeah

[signal cipher]

Also why is it all endless horde

[crisp widget]

Oh god plz no my ammo

[trim panther]

to be more precise, mauler heads are covered in carapace armor

[slow fog]

Yeah thats cause powersword is broken. Once they nerf it it'll be more balanced

[shut crown]

Plasma/lasgun/bolter/autogun vets all with power swords

[versed bolt]

Anyone have thoughts on what the best melee weapon for zealot is?

[dapper turret]

yeah

[trim panther]

so there is a small variety of weapons that deal more damage on headshots to them

[signal cipher]

Even on maps without endless horde get it when you load in

[shut crown]

Im kinda slightly in love with the thunder hammer

[dapper turret]

Keep in mind this is with a weapon WITH +25% carapace armor damage

[hidden frigate]

@versed bolt dagger with lacaret, or axe with shred

[crisp widget]

I believe alot of people play with eviserator

[dapper turret]

same weapon on bodyshot

[shut crown]

Wot's lacaret now

[dapper turret]

this is on damnation for the test mind you

[dawn cypress]

is there any way to tell what mission type you've yet to clear? im missing one on my zealot and I dont know which one it is

[hidden frigate]

@shut crown bleed on hit

[versed bolt]

are heavy attacks in general best for killing armored targets?

[shut crown]

The only way is asking your brain

[dawn cypress]

crap, that thing is useless

[shut crown]

Is it a blessing/perk, or do all knives do that

[shut crown]

Relatable

[signal cipher]

I sit here and await hotshot lasguns

[hidden frigate]

@shut crown its a perk on the combat knife.. still need to find one

[knotty stratus]

any ogryns want to wall for me so i can get the psyker cliffhanger penance?

[trim panther]

generally speaking, heavy attacks do more damage to armor, but there is a select number of cases where this is not true (the vermintide 2 2 handed hammer does shit damage with its heavies to armor, but its lights are fantastic for it). there can even be a very slight dps difference if your lights can pierce armor, again select cases

[hidden frigate]

@shut crown play axe with shred, and maintain the bloodlettering buff

[shut crown]

Your prayers might be answered if you kill enough heretics

[shut crown]

Lemme guess, shred causes bleed?

[young mulch]

Soulblaze sucks ass

[signal cipher]

I have a 152 hours

[hidden frigate]

@shut crown no, 4.5 crit chance on hit 5 time stackable

4.5% all about crit, for bloodlettering

[shut crown]

But did you kill all the heretics?

[shut crown]

Hesus christus that's a lot

[signal cipher]

Not all of them

Hive cities are massive

[hidden frigate]

@shut crown yeah and with that you cause bleed dmg

[signal cipher]

And

Well

I'm just a little woman

[shut crown]

No woman is little in the 41st millennium

We all serve Him equally

[young mulch]

psykers are all hopped on on warp juice, so they bigger by default

[signal cipher]

True fire the Ursa claws

[shut crown]

I should really try that. Im just stuck on my thunder hammer

[signal cipher]

To be fair hitting someone for like 1342 is just mmmmm

[shut crown]

RIGHT?!

[hidden frigate]

@shut crown try this build and as i said, dagger with lacarete or axe with shred, and you dont gonna lose any toughness, expect you stand in fire

[shut crown]

Never has there been a better feeling than oneshotting a crusher on Damnation

[hidden frigate]

@shut crown was first too, yeah hammer awesome, but with this build, you are kinda invincible

[shut crown]

Oooh i see what you're playing with. I only worry about melee bleedthrough. Hate it when the poxwalkers just ignore my toughness

[young mulch]

So yea, I just tried using a Soul Blaze build on Heresy and it was terrible in every regard. I think I generated fewer force charges than the one that just generates from attacks.

[hidden frigate]

@shut crown you are so fast, with those weapons, you can dodge every attack

[dapper turret]

Once again, for newbies on armor types. I really want to go over this.

[shut crown]

Hmmmm

You make a good point

But i suffer from a severe case of skill issue

[dapper turret]

these infested mutated lookin lads with the horns and barely any clothes are "infested" armor type

[shut crown]

I mean now, if i get to pilot a warhound here, i wont be asking for anything else ever again

[heady crest]

This makes me sigh, all this different armour. "(optional none) light, medium, heavy." Sorted.

[jagged scaffold]

good or na

seems like shit damage/penetration

unless decent shredder stat makes up for it for elite kills

[dapper turret]

infested armor.

[earnest lodge]

what's the best difficulty for leveling?

[dapper turret]

unarmored

[azure cove]

1's and 2's

[livid swan]

looks decent but you could probably get better

[azure cove]

2's get the extra modifiers for XP but more difficult

[earnest lodge]

even with the xp on 3s being so much higher?

[signal cipher]

I really want a dedicated support class that lore wise is a tech priest

[azure cove]

The difficulty jump between 2 and 3 is massive. Even with a full group of 30's, I failed one earlier today cos we just got destroyed by elite after elite. Two trappers and a mutant failed the mission

[smoky sierra]

i need some info about "friends will be friends" ogryn penance please. If people are just down, not dead and still in coherence, is the challenge f*cked ?

[signal cipher]

Endless is bugged rn, it is ALWAYS active rn

[shut crown]

Why not a tech priest then. They can get a lil servo skull thats either an auspex, a medikit or an ammo box

[pearl night]

What does impact do?

[earnest lodge]

ah i've been running on 3s and hating life trying to level on them, good to know even 30s can struggle

[livid swan]

are you sure? ive done malice with endless horde and without and its a big difference

[dapper turret]

So I'm judging enemies by "Healthbar per lasgun shot"

[azure cove]

I don't personally touch 3's until my alts are like 25

[spark tusk]

malice is ez af for lv30 even 2 lv30 could speedrun through them

[signal cipher]

No I mean like I wanna play a tech priest that's a support

[dapper turret]

for refrence, on an unarmored enemy, a single lasgun shot does 199 damage, and brings it to basically 1 health, on damnation

[pearl night]

I can sleepwalk through 3s at this point, but 4s kick my ass

[dapper turret]

or 2 health

[signal cipher]

Hersey is at least I don't play Malice rn

[shut crown]

Maybe they'll releas a support Techpriest class

[signal cipher]

I would be so happy

[livid swan]

ah yeah i think heresy and above always has endless horde for some reason yeah

[signal cipher]

I love admech

[wintry silo]

is anyone having trouble upgrading the power hammer at the mechanicus lady?

[earnest lodge]

I'm leveling as a psyker and i love the class, but dang it feels kinda clunky

[shut crown]

A friend of mine thinks they might release a new class on launch, cause there's 5 character slots so far for creation, but only 4 classes

[spark tusk]

cyz 4s buggeed always endless horde

[shut crown]

Hammer is buggedo

[wintry silo]

preesh

[livid swan]

ive had 3 slug monstrosities in a single 4

[shut crown]

Nice

Did you say hi?

[crisp widget]

Hecking love slugs

[dapper turret]

also "Dreg rager" is its own armor type

[grave heart]

pretty sure rager is the same as maniacs

havent tested this, but it makese sense to me

[signal cipher]

Excuse me you come in here and disrespect our tech priest Hanron Omega-7-7

Get out

[dire ridge]

bro just gimme an assassination

[shut crown]

She aint upgrading my thunder hammer tho

She also kinda gives me fauly Interrogators all the time

[signal cipher]

If you would just pray to the machine spirit it would work fineeee

[spark tusk]

replace machine spirit with circuits

[honest ice]

man pushing the activate button on the thunder hammer fills me with a righteous power

[signal cipher]

Ai?!?! Heresy you would dare twist the machine God's holy design

[shut crown]

We had the men of iron once

[spark tusk]

Lol

[shut crown]

Didnt go well

[sleek oracle]

Question. Is the Force Blade currently removed from the shop?

[shut crown]

Nawr

[spark tusk]

What is a force blade?

[sleek oracle]

25 psyker that haven't seen any in store for days and over 10 levels

[paper holly]

@sleek oracle You're experiencing what's called The Desire Sensor. You want it too much and the game knows that so it's intentionally not giving you any Force Swords

[shut crown]

There's people who dont see a weapon of a certain type for 30 levels

Just bad rng

[honest ice]

the game can smell your weakness

[spark tusk]

Get bolters instead

[arctic plover]

is this with a headshot or a body shot?

[sleek oracle]

I just keep getting autoguns (which i hate) and Axes (which i DESPISE) xD

[full shell]

Anyone available to play on Herecy? I'm trying to get "Make Every Shot Count"

[hollow island]

autoguns feel a lot better after the buff they gave them awhile ago, ammo and recoil feels so much better

[young crag]

whats this

I've seen it on a few missions

[hollow island]

controllable enough to spray, good accuracy when ADS, and pretty good damage, especially when unloading into armor

I th ink it's just a random part of the interface, I don't think it means anything

[young crag]

it's attached specifically to missions though

[arctic plover]

You need a better lazgun. I dont have this issue with mine in any way shape or form. Still a solid 1 shot on damnation.

[zenith torrent]

I wonder, for level 25 perk as a Psyker... 6 charges, or Kinetic Flamer.

[sleek oracle]

but just to be sure, have anyone seen force swords in store last 2 days?

[zenith torrent]

I just bought a neew one a few minutes ago

[hollow island]

it's on the background as kind of part of the interface, I think it's baed more on the area of the screen than specific mission themselves

[young crag]

just bought one

[arctic plover]

Yes, its pure rng.

[dapper turret]

bodyshot

it was just for refrence on comparing this to the infested

[arctic plover]

Roger that, Yeah def need a new lazgun. bodyshot and headshot are one shot. and I do 657** to ragers.

[shut crown]

Tough one bro, good luck

[hollow island]

kind of depends on the build, I'm running reduce peril based on charges and random charge on each kill from level 15, and that helps alot with using the flamethrower staff in hordes

[ornate compass]

You have an opportunity to receive a Gift of The Emperor should you complete the mission.

[full shell]

Appreciate it

[ornate compass]

Gifts are gear.

[ebon fjord]

i'v taken the one that can pop head with 10% with every hit landed

works great

[zenith torrent]

I will give it a try then!

[hollow island]

at 4 stacks you can use your staff for a long time if you get lucky with the peril quell on kill and losing it faster than you'd gain, so extra stacks in that case would make that easier on top of helping damage

the chance for a free brain burst on hit also sounds incredible too

[sleek oracle]

RNG needs a kick in the balls 😮

[arctic plover]

if you want to do it legit, there are folks in the lfg channel who will def help. If you want to cheese it same thing, folks are always down. Cant recall 100% but I think you only have to hit any number of pellets from the shotgun to maintain 100% accuracy.

[hollow island]

especially since I assume it doesn't cause peril or anything, so fast melee weapons work nicely agianst strong targets

[signal cipher]

Hmmm a support tech priest class could probably have a couple neat tricks for working with tech based objects which would honestly be cool

[shut crown]

Yeah

Faster/easier Interrogators fix

Lil servo skull helper to deploy

[sleek oracle]

Btw, anyone know if someone has soloed the monstrosity as a psyker yet? 😛

[rain dew]

emperor's gift should really be a guaranteed roll every mission IMO. I've gone 4+ hour play sessions without getting a single one

[hollow island]

Tech priest does seem fitting for a pet class

[arctic plover]

yeah, helped a homie get it yesterday on heresy. Wasnt to bad. beast of nurgle is your best bet

[shut crown]

Plenty did

[hollow island]

Braun burst does good damage

[earnest lodge]

Oh what is wounds on a curio? I got one that said +1 Wounds

[hollow island]

It’ll take time and a team willing to farm it, but it’s not hard

[sleek oracle]

damn i'm jealous

[signal cipher]

I actually helped a few people do this when demon hosts show up when I play Bob

[abstract maple]

if you could check out this post, I'd greatly appreciate it. It's about how emperor's gifts could be fixed instead of being solely rng https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/emperors-gifts-rng-change/61795

[hollow island]

How many bars of health you have; when you go down you lose a bar of tbay with curses

[patent sapphire]

segments on your health bar, basically an extra down

[arctic plover]

you get an extra bar of health to counteract the mechanic that drains your health.

[earnest lodge]

ah ty

[lapis raven]

remember it doesnt give extra hp though, just increases the sections

[soft wing]

what feats are folks running on their evis/bolter zealots?

[arctic plover]

thats correct, my wording implied that incorrectly.

[earnest lodge]

still a bonus as a psycker I get downed a lot because my team mates run off to neverland while I'm trying to quell

[lapis raven]

let it quell over time mebbe

i've grabbed the lvl20 active quell no-slowdown talent tho myself

[hollow island]

Staff quelling has next to no slowdown on top of quelling faster, plus you can still dodge and get better movement than just walking

[lapis raven]

staff quelling has noticable slowdown

[hollow island]

Strafe dodging takes getting used to when quelling but it’s nice

[quiet wharf]

Armoury exchange does not bring me knife or eviscerator like 5 refresh (5hours). Why? What should I do?

[hollow island]

It’s still way faster than quelling with the burst

[lapis raven]

they nerfed strafe dodge to go faster than walking tbf

[earnest lodge]

oh okay. I should start using a staff then

[lapis raven]

staff is pretty good purely for quell improvement yeah

[hollow island]

Staffs are too powerful, quelling without it is painful

[lapis raven]

or, i think, the force sword?

you do the 👌 when quelling with force sword, which is just amusing

[hollow island]

I haven’t used the force sword much and forgot it could even quell

[signal cipher]

I mean do you know there lore? They control servo skulls, Skitarii ect, ect, even in the game mechanicas they control lesser units

[lapis raven]

a tech priest wouldnt be in the position the game puts PCs in

[hollow island]

Yeah, but doesn’t fit the 3 archetypes

[signal cipher]

But we want a support, a little tech priest to throw out buffs to the party

[lapis raven]

tech priests are more metal than man and can be reprogrammed if they act up

[signal wharf]

Are there other colour variations of the tier 2 penance helmet for Veteran?

[signal cipher]

Unfortunately true, but I want it

[fickle lintel]

is there a weapon tier list thing anywhere? preferably with explanation

[signal cipher]

Best I'm likely to get is a Skitarii

[shut crown]

Nah

[sage glacier]

is standing in different corners and only using melee some kind of new strategy i'm not aware of?

[copper idol]

worth picking up on zealot?

[shut crown]

Skitarii are just veteran tech priests

I dont need another combat class

[signal cipher]

Shut

Shhsh

[lapis raven]

skitarii arent veteran tech priests what

[shut crown]

Make me

[lapis raven]

they're like, practically robots with no autonomy

[full shell]

That's so good! I'm willing to do both if it's , thank you so much for the advice

[polar sparrow]

do you need the force sword to do cliffhanger?

[earnest lodge]

Hrmmm only staff I had was the force staff I think? one that makes a aoe circle, I hated it. The other staffs any better?

[shut crown]

Literally, how boring is that

A castellan robot on thin legs

[dawn cypress]

no, it's through use of your ult

[lapis raven]

when you're firing radiation guns you probably need the least flesh possible tbf

[shut crown]

You CAN use a force sword push

[shadow sorrel]

So I've got a bunch of legendary curios from mission rewards. I'm guessing those don't count towards my curio gear score watermark? Everything in the store is much lower than the legendary ones. Do I still need to keep creeping that score up by buying lower score ones?

Also, do curios (and items in general) need to be equipped when the store resets to count towards what the store is populated with?

[dawn cypress]

wait really?

[polar sparrow]

i'm asking if it makes it easier

[shut crown]

Yus

[signal cipher]

Depends, rangers and vanguard tend to have more brain activity then lower ranking Skitarii

[shut crown]

Did it today

[dawn cypress]

WHAT

[polar sparrow]

because i'm running dueling sword

[shut crown]

Makes it a lot easier

[dawn cypress]

I spent so much time bashing my head against a wall using only my ult

imma go cry now

[lapis raven]

it's only enough autonomy to make combat decisions though; they're not really approaching a normal human agent

[shut crown]

Go cry

And then rejoyce

For you have found a way

[lapis raven]

it's essentially utilising the brain slightly more as an independent processor that doesn't need direct commands

[signal cipher]

Most of us... Them die after a year or two IF they don't die in battle but hey, human life has no value, only knowledge has value

And they give there life in honor of the machine god

Which is the highest honor!

[lapis raven]

just do what true senior tech priests do and practically upload your brain into your tech

resuscitation protocols but for mechanicus when

[signal cipher]

They have some

[shut crown]

Pull a Belasarius, invent new space marines and go in retirement at the young age of 10 thousand years old

[lapis raven]

the ripe young age of 10k

[hollow island]

looks decent, great stats, those are some nice bonuses, and I think that main effect can probably be better but still usable

[signal cipher]

dark admech is rad, and call is doing fun Hersey things

[shut crown]

I wouldn't call it heresy

Questionable act of faith

Much better

[shadow sorrel]

Anyone know anything about this?

[signal cipher]

Is this ai? "No"

[lapis raven]

tbf AI is allowable even inside the imperium

they just couch it in fancy words

aka "machine spirit"

like damn yeah im sure that tank that drives and shoots on it's own is just a "machine spirit"

[signal cipher]

Excuse me there is a human brain in there

[lapis raven]

no like flat out

[signal cipher]

I know but hush

We can't let the imperials know

[lapis raven]

simply wire a brain in 9head

"hey priest why is there a brain attached to cables in this part, it's already rotting"

[shut crown]

Dont kastellan robots have human brains in them?

[signal cipher]

Yes

Most of there stuff does

Even titans

Just throw a couple of guys in it it'll be fine

[ornate compass]

The average pen and no bleed effect hold it back from being really good but the Crit + elite damage makes it tasty. Wouldn’t be a bad take but might have difficulty taking down bulwarks and crushers with it.

[signal cipher]

Knights uploaded the psyke of a it's previous pilots into the current pilot

[umbral glade]

is it just me or is it kinda hard to do a light after push stab on the mk6 ogryn kinfe?

it took like a solid 3 pace

[shut crown]

Imperium of man in a nutshell

[versed bolt]

how did you get those health bars to show up? is that a mod or in the options?

[lapis raven]

psykanium meat grinder @versed bolt

[signal cipher]

Meat grinder

[versed bolt]

idk what that means

is that the name of the mod?

[signal cipher]

I have been damned the meat grinder was not allowed

No mods don't exist rn

[spark tusk]

how do you use the weapon trikinets?

i think i got some accesories from penances but idk where to equip them

[winter talon]

what is the difference between lucious lasgun marks? are they upgrades or do they have different stat preferences?

[lapis raven]

there's differences between all the mks of each weapon but im not sure of the lucius specifcs

[hollow island]

they all have slightly different handling, if that's the helgun with the bayonet, I think it effects the charge on it?

like I think one has weaker but faster charges for examples

[tired crown]

Open your inventory, click on the weapon, and press V (I believe, or C) to view it. The tab for charms will be on the top left

[hollow island]

the different marks of melee weapons mainly changes the swing patterns, some guns like headhunter autoguns switch between 3 round burst, 2 round burst, and semi auto, with difference handling/damage

[lime imp]

Its in the psykanium, its an ingame training mode

[final depot]

finally, some good fucking food

free 1000 coins? dont mind if i do

[shadow sorrel]

What are some preferable ogryn shield stats?

[golden hill]

Is it me or are headhunter autoguns kinda doodoo? I just tried a blue semi-auto variant and I can't imagine a scenario where I'd like to use it over a lasgun, braced autogun or bolter

[lilac talon]

so where do you guys farm your Plasteel?

[steady pollen]

For a Veteran trying to heavy cleave wave clear - should I buy the one on the left or keep the one on the right?

[spark tusk]

gesus ty

[fathom flax]

The Plasma Gun feels like a self-sabotage if you pick it. It's a worse Bolter in every way. Thoughts?

[steady pollen]

With over 90 hours, I agree with this assertion.

[fathom flax]

shame

[lapis raven]

plasma gun gets equipped way faster than bolter

[tight cedar]

thats basically how it is unfortunately

[lapis raven]

bolter takes half a century to equip

[fathom flax]

That is true too

[steady pollen]

Frankly its not much faster

[golden hill]

Like, what is this? This is just bloody depressing

[lapis raven]

really low ammo roll

[golden hill]

sure, but let's assume it's 200

[hollow island]

I haven't had a bolster yet so I don't know how that feels to use, but from footage it seems better in every way. Plasma gun felt nice on bosses but in general it's just so clunky to use

[fathom flax]

This is just bloody depressing
Correct.

[wary dawn]

Quick question, does weekly mission progress does not count if you are in progress in a mission when the timer runs over?

[tight cedar]

wait until you see its damage lul

[wary dawn]

I had 30 dregs left to kill, started a mission 6 minutes before end and it didn't trigger

[hollow island]

i think that's the semi auto version which all tend to have low ammo but I assume monster damage? i've yet to get one

[golden hill]

It kicks harder than a lasgun, it deals less damage than a lasgun

[tight cedar]

its a worse XII in every conceivable way

[golden hill]

yeah, no

[rigid wasp]

I wouldn't call it anymore self sabotage than picking any of the other weapons on vet that aren't the bolter and power sword... I mean they're just the two best weapons for the class

[golden hill]

give me a sec

[hollow island]

i tried the 2 round burst one and hated how it felt, but I did notice pretty nice damage when I was able to land double headshots with how admitedly low recoil it had

even if it shoots like my bullets are covered in glue

[tepid garnet]

What's the Best perk for the Catachan Devil Claw Sword?

[lapis raven]

all the autoguns are pretty accurate from the hip too

[rigid wasp]

yeah it's trash, it has horrible irons, horrible ammo cap, horrible damage, horrible armor, it can't even auto, it really is depressing and I don't understand what it's purpose is

[lapis raven]

don't ADS as much and just hipfire and you'll notice a lot of the time it'll hit dead center

i've used a braced auto to kill snipers before

[steady pollen]

Veteran wave clearing; would you keep the right one or take the left one?

[lapis raven]

single tap pews

[golden hill]

braced is not the issue, braced is pretty great

amazing even

headhunter is

[lapis raven]

even standard ones have similar acc

their ammo does look pretty low though

i still think they could do with an ammo buff, because frankly i just keep using braced

[golden hill]

what is this

[tight cedar]

headhunter autoguns need better everything

they're just pointless

[golden hill]

and it kicks like half a screen up

[lapis raven]

hipfire it

[golden hill]

if you try to tap it

[golden hill]

but why?!

[lapis raven]

autoguns are good at hipfire

[rigid wasp]

I'm assuming ignore enemy hit mass is better cause I noticed on power sword the more cleave you can get the better, my lower power, lower damage power sword with higher cleave and a perk for getting more cleave feels like it outperforms my higher damage power sword

[lapis raven]

all of them are

[crimson fable]

Autoguns in general need optics

It is a crime that only lasguns have them

[lapis raven]

no lol hipfire them that's their point

[steady pollen]

@rigid wasp Thanks boss

[tight cedar]

the hipfire isnt good enough to justify using it in most circumstances

[hollow island]

i don't like the irons on autoguns but they feel better now than how they did before in the old beta and when this beta launched

[heavy shuttle]

left. Both are good, left is better for what power sword excels at. Horde clear

[rigid wasp]

but the headhunter autogun is supposed to be a dmr

[lapis raven]

you can accurately snapfire an autogun unlike a lasgun

[golden hill]

semi-auto single target autogun, described as "sniper rifle" in the description

just hipfire lol

[lapis raven]

hipfire the sniper, smh

[rigid wasp]

I mean don't just take my word for it, I'm a total noob and I'm still figuring out what I'm doing, I struggle with heresy atm

[hollow island]

all the lasguns besides the becon fit better as a DMR since they're all semi auto

[steady pollen]

@heavy shuttle even though it's cleave bars are lower, the modifiers make it better?

[tight cedar]

it isnt bad and its way better than lasgun hipfire but you still arent going to hit very far with it

[heavy shuttle]

power sword infinite cleaves with special attack. cleave is wasted stat

[lapis raven]

lasguns just fit the dmr role better if you want to right click scope in

[crimson fable]

Not sure it is really that, but if it is then it need to be changed, there are better ways to make them unique and lore friendly

[hollow island]

they look like they have a ton of ammo but they use 3 bullets per shot so it events out

[glass finch]

is it RNG which quality of the item you get by completing the mission or is it reduced based on the performance of the team?

[rigid wasp]

does it cause my higher cleave power sword feels like it goes further than my lower cleave power sword

[lapis raven]

no they really shouldnt change it, lasguns already have the ADS stuff down, autoguns work for us hipfire bois

[golden hill]

Why would I ever touch a headhunter? It's just nuts, it feels like nobody playtested it

[hollow island]

i think it's baed on what point of the game you're at, so if you're late gate, they tend to be high rarity with total rating fitting weapons you'd be getting from the shop

[lapis raven]

xii is overtuned rn

[wintry silo]

fuck the psyker penances omg they are so dumb

[lapis raven]

like it does better than the charge-up lasgun dps wise

[heavy shuttle]

If you power up the sword with special attack, it doesnt stop.

[exotic valley]

Any ogryn players wanna do friends will be friends?

[heavy shuttle]

bolter is too OP. X12 needs buff to compete

[steady pollen]

@heavy shuttle isn't that what cleave targets is for? the amount of targets you can get through?

[golden hill]

I dunno man, might be, but even if hellbore had like 2 times more DPS I'd never touch it due to how ass it feels

[feral gust]

Is a Heresy/Damnation mission the kind people would drop-into randomly (without prep, VoiceChat, StrikeTeam)? 👍 👎

[lapis raven]

you can test the dps yourself

[rigid wasp]

I know how the power sword works, I'm saying that there seems to be a noticeable difference even with the power on

[golden hill]

it caps at ogryns hp

on both of them

[lapis raven]

true

[raw moss]

and i raaaannn, i ran so far awaaayyy

[lapis raven]

use less boolets

or well, shooting time i guess

[hollow island]

it's kind of a decent back up since the lasguns have decent feeling hipfires in hordes/panic situations, though the limits are weird, a crit body shot would remove the effect and outside a special, you'd probably 1 shot then without the crit

[heavy shuttle]

The power sword already has perfect cleave when powered. Extra cleave is extra waste that could be spent elsewhere

[tight cedar]

the base power sword is so good it basically doesnt even matter what rolls you get on it

[wet bloom]

I just run the perk that gives crit for stamina and the one that gives stamina for dodging bullet

big crit hours

[heavy shuttle]

yes and no

[glass finch]

ty 🙂 I first got a blue, then a purple and after that two greys :<

[hollow island]

at worst, you can just upgrade it or sell it for extra cash

i haven't touched a hellbore gun in a while but besides the sway being abysmal, I like it

the bayonet actually felt fun to use and gave temp health like a normal kill, and it actually felt better to aim from the hip

[tired wagon]

Damn I want just get that Just a Flesh wound and right now it's simple atm

[hollow island]

though apparently charging it only effects the armor pen which feels weird

[ornate compass]

Unless you’re an aimbot, I think it’s best to focus on body shot dps.

[heavy shuttle]

cant block with it 😦 otherwise it could have had potential. Better to just whip out the PS

[golden hill]

the sway with the fact that it only has ironsights is nuts, yeah

[azure cove]

Not a bad set.

[golden hill]

I'd have so much fun using it otherwise

but no, not in a million years

[azure cove]

scrip one's gonna take the longest I think

[hollow island]

the swap speed on the hellbore is bad but that's why I like the bayonet, don't have to switch back and forth if something gets close

which negates that problem somewhat

[arctic plover]

This made me laugh harder than it should have. I feel your pain having helped several people do this.

[tight cedar]

im really hoping they add a way to put sights on guns, i understand no attachment system but the ironsights in this game are atrocious

[ornate compass]

No idea. I’ve gotten a mastercrafted curio before in a mission that involves my team acquiring all three scriptures but I can’t be sure if that had a direct impact.

[hollow island]

also I have to check with other stuff, but I noticed that all the weapon bash attacks on the ogryn counted as heavy attacks since they applied bleed with his 10 feat

[heavy shuttle]

but fighting in melee with ranged weapon is so punishing due to devs reducing player mobility... and no block

[polar sparrow]

cliffhanger should really be 10 enemies or something jesus christ

[hollow island]

it's too slow for hordes but it's nice when roaming and you're running into small groups of commons or commons are trickling in

[analog grail]

does anyone know what brittleness does?

[heavy shuttle]

Id rather have holosights or bolter's armor pen for that trade off

[dull garden]

God I wish there was a way of seeing what mission types have been played for penances that require specific ones, got 6/7 on Vantage Point 2 (correct me on the name) and I am not sure which one it is

[arctic plover]

I dont believe the map is in rotation today but all it really takes is team mates who are willing to go down trying to huddle stuff together. Usually doesnt take that much but thats mostly what holds you back.

[golden hill]

uh, guys, what's going on here

[stuck ridge]

This is highly Skitarii and Forgeworld dependent. Several minor Forgeworlds have soldiers who aren't much different than Astra Militarum, just fanatically zealous and with a few augmentations. Others deploy specially-trained Skitarii on Kill Teams (usually with much more autonomy than Frontline units).

Still others, usually more rarely, will assign Skitarii and minor Tech Adepts to working with an Inquisitor, especially in the Lathe Worlds.

Other times, various Mechanicus assets, including Skitarii, may find themselves "accidentally gifted" to the Inquisition, either through deliberate hijacking or because an Inquisitor knows a little too much about some of the more interesting side projects a certain Magos is running.

[polar sparrow]

veteran has more ammo

[arctic plover]

If you are veteran you get more ammo.

[golden hill]

oh right

jesus christ

[heavy shuttle]

? Lasguns have alot of ammo? Vets make it better?

[lapis raven]

vet gets 40% ammo buff

on top of whatever weapon has by default

[polar sparrow]

either cliffhanger should be easier or psyker's ult should be buffed

[golden hill]

thanks, I completely forgot about it for some reason lol

[rigid wasp]

it probably unironically is a "machine spirit" considering they can be replaced with demons

[polar sparrow]

it doesn't even knock them back that far it just knocks them on their ass

[arctic plover]

haha, its nice right. Especially if you find a good MG IV with like 800 plus in reserve. end up with over 1100 in game and they only use 2 shots. Im trying to find a cracked ass gray one so I can take it to masterwork with good rolls.

[lapis raven]

in the case of that one vehicle it's genuinely just ai iirc

[tight cedar]

300 shots with an XII is a bit of an XD tbh

[heavy shuttle]

MG12 is an awesome lasgun. Wish it had a carapace workaround

[golden hill]

yeah, dude, it's nuts, I never run out of ammo

like ever

[raw plover]

hey guys, how good is corruptio resistence on a Curio? 🤔

[heavy shuttle]

for grims? its pretty decent.

[tight cedar]

its pretty bad because of how unrewarding grims are

[random sparrow]

is the lights out special condition still appearing?

[tight cedar]

but if you're running grims then its alright

[arctic plover]

Ive been using this for a bit since I got it up to purple with good rolls. 2 shot headshots ragers on damnation. Ammo aint bad either. Could do with a bit more but I never notice running out.

[rigid wasp]

the kantrael mg xii as depicted in darktide is truly one of the most accurate depictions of the lasgun in all 40k fiction, reliable, capable at it's job, and just absurdly boring compared to even it's inferior alternatives

[raw moss]

start of the Special Ammo mission where you carry all the tubes at the end, theres a bridge on left side, take a horde there and then get psyker on main bridge and you can ult off like 60 dudes at once. we got the achieve for 2 psykers off of one horde

[heavy shuttle]

Absurdly boring?

[golden hill]

yeah, this is really sweet, good luck with getting it to gold

[storm laurel]

I love the mgxii

[tight cedar]

thats a tasty lasgun

[stuck ridge]

Reduces the amount of Corruption you get from all sources, it's pretty decent. I wouldn't put it as better than, say, Wounds or Stamina, but it's pretty good

[rigid wasp]

Yes, compared to most of the other guns

[arctic plover]

Thanks for the good luck gents. I'll pray to zyzz that well all make it.

[golden hill]

how is red zap zap boring

[arctic plover]

ill post results later today. good or bad.

[sharp apex]

Is there anyway to disable the popups that take up the middle of the screen? Just used the hellbore for the first time, and it blocks half the screen, while the popup blocks the rest.

[golden hill]

just think you're in a gasmask with limited vision

like a true kriegsman

[sharp apex]

not enough grendades for that

[heavy shuttle]

If Im bored during a match, chances are my team is getting shot up by some range Im not paying attention too... Now, a zealot hiding behind a crate until the vet clears out the 5 gunners and 3 reapers? Yeah that could be a tad boring... but they get theirs in due time

[rigid wasp]

I'd rather the ka-chunk of a bolter, dakka from an autogun, the boom of a shotty, even compared to the accatran's laser dakka, it just doesn't feel as interesting, though I suppose that's subjective tho

[heavy shuttle]

Oh you mean effect-wise...

[stuck ridge]

I like the Lasguns in Darktide. They're solid, they are easy to use (Helbore excluded), they pack a punch, and they function in a Squad Marksman or Infantry Rifle role. They also carry a lot of ammunition compared to, say, a Bolt Gun, even a human-sized Bolt Gun is comparable to the OICW in terms of bulkiness and weight.

[golden hill]

Yeah man, it kinda is. I find them the most enjoyable guns so far. Other games already did bolters, but I haven't seen a game nail a lasgun so well before lol

[stuck ridge]

It makes sense why they're the go-to rifle of the Guard

[storm laurel]

punchy and smooth

[golden hill]

yup

[sharp apex]

crunch crunch

[burnt marten]

I am so sick of these crashes

especially since now I get to also crash after reconnecting!

[ornate compass]

The recon lasgun is fun. Give it the right buffs and it scythes poxwalkers and burns down mini bosses.

[heavy shuttle]

I cant wait till they nerf the bolter, that way I dont have to convince myself not to play the cheese

[golden hill]

they'd be fine if not for the insane sway :(

[rigid wasp]

what did you think I meant? I wasn't disputing it's effectiveness in the slightest, just saying it's like, as standard a weapon as it comes, and it makes sense considering it's lore, I'm not surprised that despite it being arguably the best weapon for a guardsman to use, both gameplay and lorewise, that people mess around with other stuff

[sharp apex]

im guessing recon is good with crit stacking?

[ornate compass]

Bolter really doesn’t need a nerf.

[golden hill]

1.0.9 - the Bolter was nerfed, the reload time is now 16 seconds

[heavy shuttle]

Gameplay/tactically boring.

[rigid wasp]

tbh I don't think the bolter needs a nerf, it's a situational gun with low ammo cap, you can only use it very situationally, if anything they need to remove that long ass racking animation

[stuck ridge]

Autoguns could use some love, though. I would boost the Weakspot damage of Headhunter rifles and give them optics, and buff the ammo of Infantry Autoguns.

[ornate compass]

If it is nerfed, it’ll be something like a magazine cap reduction. Go from 15 to 12 or 10.

[tight cedar]

the only thing id do to a bolter would be to lower its damage a bit and thats only to make balancing the plasma gun easier

[heavy shuttle]

The bolter fills the lasgun's role of sniping 1 shots on elites specials on ADS. Hip fire auto deletes all armor/most monsters in hilarious time.

[rigid wasp]

yeah the autoguns could def use an ammo buff considering that damage and precision wise they're outperformed by pretty much all the lasguns and yet still have less ammo

[golden hill]

just had this idea too, right? If only headhunters dealt massively increased weakspot damage, it would've made a lot of sense

the low cap, the iron sights

but nope

[heavy shuttle]

Ammo consumption is negated due to PS just being so damn good on horde clear

[tight cedar]

they buffed the infantry autoguns quite a lot, im running the agripinaa mk1 and i find its the best gun vet has access to

[uncut tangle]

It's in the name, should be used like a bolter to one tap elites

[sharp apex]

Not sure if vet is going to be the class for me when it seems its just a bunch of ADS iron sights

[heavy shuttle]

Tracking

[tired crown]

The iron sights kill me

[rigid wasp]

when did they buff the agripnaa mk1? I am a big fan of it but it's also imo the only good ads autogun, columnus shoots too quick and is too jumpy, graia has too low an ammo cap, the burst fires are... well burst fire

[tight cedar]

it was a few days ago

[hollow island]

i think inthe second patch or so of the pre order beta

[tight cedar]

all the infantry autoguns got huge buffs

[hollow island]

they "bumped up" autoguns, not saying what that was, but they did feel nicer

[tight cedar]

headhunter and braced were unchanged

[heavy shuttle]

Lasgun holosights are decent, still waiting for my fucking zoomable scope though

[hollow island]

i felt like the ammo and recoil were improved

[uncut tangle]

I liked the braced versions but not being able to ads as a vet sucks

[hollow island]

i kind of want a proper sniping wepaon for specials, the closest we really have is the revolver

[sharp apex]

even the holo sight is a worse version of an actual holosight

[tired crown]

38,000 years in the future and zero progress in optics

[heavy shuttle]

wut

[hollow island]

the accurate versions of the brace gun can be decent at range

[rigid wasp]

makes sense in the case of braced, braced autoguns all perform just fine, though the agripnaa brace is def my favorite with it's power and comparative accuracy, dunno why they'd leave the headhunter untouched tho

[hollow island]

darktide doesn't seem like the kind of game to have a bolt action sniper in it

[glass finch]

do ytou happen to remember which difficulty that was on?

[tight cedar]

yeah braced autoguns are fine, they dont scale well into difficulty 4/5 but thats not the guns fault

[uncut tangle]

It could work if we get a class for it

[tight cedar]

headhunter are the worst guns in the game

[uncut tangle]

Say ratling

[novel ruin]

high stability lasgun with headshots is pretty damn great. I can run around Heresy with it and stack up many special bodies

[tired crown]

What about, say, a sharpshooter class?

[uncut tangle]

Might be a passive like you cloak while ads

[golden hill]

honestly all my difficulty 4 games were a fucking rollercoaster so far, mostly like here's 3 dogs and 2 mutants, have fun

[ornate compass]

Malice.

[heavy shuttle]

like camo expert?

[cosmic osprey]

What is the maximum rating for weapons?

[heavy shuttle]

lol

[uncut tangle]

Like actual camo

Just disappear not just less likely to hit you which doesn't work half the time

[hidden sandal]

Anyone know how to do veteran deadeye semi efficiently

[tight cedar]

current theory is 560

[uncut tangle]

Or we have to be still

[hollow island]

camo expert actually worked better than I thought, there's just no feedback on it being in effect

[golden hill]

Step 1: Cry

[uncut tangle]

Step to don't play with other vets

[hollow island]

you have to be still and you need people around you to draw aggro, but when that's happening, you're free to shoot and even melee stuff

[uncut tangle]

Because fk getting more ammo then I use at the end sucks

[hidden sandal]

Thats not the penance

[heavy shuttle]

Im still surprised on how effective it can be... I sometimes feel like that one kid from World War Z when all the zombies are running past him oblivious

[hollow island]

alot of playing with camo expert is praying that it actually works

[heady plinth]

ive been trying for an hour and people keep not listening to me on voice

[tired crown]

Yes! I was playing with it on heresy earlier and I was a stationary power sword turret, hordes ran around me even while I sliced them up

[uncut tangle]

I usually just use duck and dive, might try camo again

[hidden sandal]

Its the kill 5 highlighted enemies on heresy

[uncut tangle]

Last time I used it was for the achievement and that took several tries

[hidden sandal]

on weakspots

[hollow island]

I tried running covering fire on vet with an auto pistol and that's another one where i'm not sure if it's actually doing anything or not half the time

[tight cedar]

pick the feat that makes your ability highlight normal shooters then bring an XII lasgun and headshot 5, its best to pop your ability on a fresh ranged horde and kill a gunner after 2 kills to reset duration

[stuck ridge]

Honestly, I'd add either the a

[tired wagon]

Yeah. Its so simple pre launch

[golden hill]

oh. Just get a high damage weapon (like MG XII), find a good vantage point and start gitting good. I don't really think there's more to it

[uncut tangle]

It's very situational so I ended up using the optics or the demo team perk

Demo is useless to after 20 game tries

[hollow island]

i don't notice demo too much either

[tight cedar]

yeah pretty much, i did it with a laspistol 🤷

[polar sparrow]

that's what i did, unfortunatly the only mission was on malice difficulty with endless horde, and that was the most i could get off before the hordes stopped coming and were replaced with 50 billion specials

[golden hill]

maybe if you have friends you can make some weird setup where you try to herd enemies without killing them

[hollow island]

I don't like grenades too much honestly, I feel like the frags have low blast range, and I forget to use them on everyone else

[golden hill]

but dude, that's so much effort...

[polar sparrow]

unfortunately i don't have friends

[hollow island]

ogryn with the shield can help

[uncut tangle]

It's hard to tell if demo actually works tbh

[hollow island]

but yeah, alot of the psyker challenges are kind of just terrible

[uncut tangle]

Like could my teammates be getting grenades but I just have bad luck

[hollow island]

the idea of giving grenades to people sounds nice, especially for an ogryn

especially since the spawn chance should be decent

[heady plinth]

did you get it yet?

[uncut tangle]

5% sounds great but I swear it's like 1% or less

[brittle marsh]

What would I be looking for to complete this? Is it a specific mission type or?

[uncut tangle]

Also hope they fix counterfire soon

[heavy shuttle]

Jump into a discord team below. Ask for their help. If they say yes, good. Find a group of highlighted enemies using your volley fire (counterfire feat). Let ability recharge dont agro. get the zealot to throw his stun grenade in, claim 5 heads

[hollow island]

i think that's a specific mission

[tired wagon]

No but all you need to do is be at 1 wound for 7 or so minutes and then the team has to die and it counts as completed

[fierce totem]

Read the mission/zone descriptions

[uncut tangle]

Which mission is that?

[heady plinth]

im aware, unable to get people to do it lol

[polar sparrow]

i don't think that mission's even in the game yet

[brittle marsh]

Was thinking the same thing

Cant reroll it either

[rigid wasp]

is epsionage back yet

[wet bloom]

It was on yesterday

[stuck ridge]

Sorry, for buffing Plasma, I would let the Charged Shot pierce through Bulwark Shields considering they are kinda meant for that purpose

[wet bloom]

No cause I only do 3/4

but skill there feels to have increased

so maybe people are moving up

[hollow island]

i only do diff 1/2 missions to grind weeklies or when i'm a hair away from a level

[rigid wasp]

I am curious, can plasma pen multiple bodies? I know revolver can but it feels like plasma doesn't, and it would be sorta weird if a slug had more penetration power than a superheated ball of sun, but I've not been using it that long yet

[wet bloom]

Just head straight to 3 then if you think your good enough to not weigh your team down

[pseudo cipher]

Why's server's fully actif members 🤔

[hollow island]

i'm pretty sure the plasma can pen, but it has no AOE at all

[dim musk]

Is there an easy way to ensure you play with all bots? I can't figure out a way tog et cliffhanger done while doing pubs

[heavy shuttle]

Whats funny is that Ive already seen "Imagine not being max lvl by now" idiots 🤮

[hollow island]

i tested the plasma in training and did see the piercing, but the projectile seems kind of small

[wet bloom]

I hope they add morelevels.

[frozen bloom]

desert level feels like different game

[unborn pilot]

i'd just like something that XP gets used for after max level

[stuck ridge]

Plasma standard shots can pierce like 3 or 4 Plague Zombies worth of Hit Mass I've found.

Plasma overcharged shots I am pretty sure get unlimited Pierce except against Monstrosities (though I haven't normally been paying attention to see if my charged shot is piercing the Monstrosity as long as it's dealing damage).

[heavy shuttle]

I hope that we get more DRG zen gurus to even out the 40k fan bloodthirsters.

[hollow island]

they said 12 levels in total at launch which seems nice, it just that we've been too used to the levels coming in over time and only a set amount at a time rather than being able to choose them all

[stuck ridge]

Yeah it should have AoE like the Voidstrike staff's charged projectile does.

As it is, it only explodes on contact with a Surface, not an enemy

[wet bloom]

We leveled up so much faster then verm2 and theres none of the cosmetic levels after max either so im hopeful

back to work I go

[unborn pilot]

i don't understand this penance, isn't the distance on the charge set?

[glass finch]

sry to bother you again. Just did a mission with that flag on the side but got no item. Are you sure that flag means that you get a drop from the run? Or did I read it wrong and it means you get a RNG chance?

[stuck ridge]

An Alternative buff to Plasma I would consider would be either DoT or Brittleness Stacks, and illuminating the area around the target.

[tired wagon]

There is a feat that lets you go farther and another that can reduce cooldown

[heavy shuttle]

rend stack maybe? Or even an infernus stack built into charge

[hollow island]

i would just like the plasma gun to feel better to shoot, and either better 1 shot capabilities or easily 2 shotting everything in the game short of a boss

[heavy shuttle]

Eitherway, I dont know how exactly to math up the plasma... but... It needs to be one of the best guns the veteran has.

In lore it fucks, in game it sucks

[uncut tangle]

I saw rend plasma but the stopping power was pretty low

Might have been really good tbh

[spare tangle]

Which level has the catwalk in the begining where you can cheese the penances from the spawn area and let them come to you up top?

[uncut tangle]

I mean in lore it's charged shot has some aoe I believe

That would help the gun quite a bit tbh

[heavy shuttle]

Bring fleetwood mac back

[rigid wasp]

sry i wanted to post a screen shot of my sword

[mystic drum]

What stat affects the spread on shotguns?

[hollow island]

i think stability effects spread on top of recoil

nope, just weapon sway by the looks of it

[stuck ridge]

Yeah, something like that! Make the Stacks last a good duration, too, and stack up to like 5 or so.

[hollow island]

so I don't think anything can, but the special fire of the shotgun does change the spread

[mystic drum]

Oh

Guess its just find the largest damage bar then

[heavy shuttle]

Make it the anti armor answer for vet. Nerf bolter from hip-fire full auto to semi

[hollow island]

more damage means better damage fall off, that's close enough

the plasma gun should reliable kill anything in 1-2 shots, so any chance should help that part of it out

make it as heavy duty of a big enemy deleter as possible

[floral birch]

Is the zealots one challenge “get 50 kills in 10secs bugged ? I was using the bolter gun and I’ve done it a couple of times and it still says I only killed 11 . ?

[rigid wasp]

I don't think that would be a nerf cause that's something that would make it better tbh

[hollow island]

i tihnk they have to be stunned by your nade?

[floral birch]

I’ve done that

[heavy shuttle]

How is removing full auto hip fire not a nerf?

[stuck ridge]

Absolutely. If someone is bringing a Plasma, they should be railing Armored enemies. Like, that weapon is one of the few in-game that is capable of efficiently killing an MEQ, and it's behind Level 25, not Level, what, 15 like the Bolter?

[hollow island]

extra AOE to the plasma gun would make it more versatile but I think it not being decent against hordes would be fine if it was better at it's main job

[mystic drum]

Tbh giving the plasmagun sights would be a good start

[rigid wasp]

I remember wishing it had semi auto hipfire personally, but maybe I'm odd

[hollow island]

i feel like the accurate of it normally isn't bad, but I don't like the delay on firing it

[rigid wasp]

I was hoping to use it like a higher ammo cap revolver tho when I got it

[heavy shuttle]

No, not before everyone has had a chance to get 100% accuracy penance

[leaden cove]

Any reason why the daily shop resets randomly? Kinda annoyed that there was a great flamer in the shop and by the time i had the currency for it, it's gone

[heavy shuttle]

1 hr on the hour reset

[hollow island]

i have to check the stats of it again but doesn't the plasma gun have less ammo than a bolter when you take into account that it uses more than 1 ammo per shot, especially when you do the charge shot?

[heavy shuttle]

There should be a little minute counter at the bottom of the shop too, telling you when its going to reset

[leaden cove]

? I saw it in the shop with 23 hours left, ran a mission, and it was gone.

[stuck ridge]

Yeah I have had that happen a few times

[leaden cove]

The daily shop, not the hourly one. The one for the weekly currency.

[hollow island]

the challenge shop I think is daily, but not the normal shot you spend with normal cash

[heavy shuttle]

Ah, no I dont think it should randomly reset unless the weekly reset fucked it up

[stuck ridge]

I think it might have haha.

I noticed it swapped earlier. I wasn't paying too much attention at the time

[heavy shuttle]

No flame-flame 4 u!

[cerulean pelican]

how should i be using the plasma?

[leaden cove]

It seems like maybe it's an error when you level up, it resets the shop options

[heavy shuttle]

Paper weight.

[rigid wasp]

Question: Am I wasting all my lil crafting materials by using them to upgrade weapons I bought? I'm close to a master crafted cadian chainsword but I get the feeling people are saving them for something else and I dont want to feel like a dummy when the beta ends

[hollow island]

plasma is a special killer

[deft juniper]

does just a flesh wound require you have just have low health, or to also have less than a wound left uncorrupted?

[hollow island]

other weapons like the autoguns are decent at killing specials when you dump a mag into them, but the plasma gun is suppose to be able to kill anything in 1-2 shots, and has low ammo to fit that

[stuck ridge]

Slaughtering Specials pretty much.

The Standard Shots can also be used against Hordes somewhat effectively due to their Pierce, but not as well as, say, a Bolter.

Also, try to line the Overcharged shot up so that it hits the ground or a wall right behind the enemy you want to hit with it, that way they also get caught with the explosion from hitting a surface.

[tepid garnet]

Yo guys looking for a good lasgun and I dunno whether to buy this one with ghost, It doesn't have alot of damage
Or wait OR get this salvaged one and build it up?

[hollow island]

i think the second one might get potentially better with stats, but I think the top one is fine honestly

[heavy shuttle]

You'll want a grey 350 if youre trying to go rags to riches strat

[uncut tangle]

It's usually better to get gray with better stats over blues

[hollow island]

but I feel like the investment to build the second one up would be big and take awhile to get the materials

[tired wagon]

one wound anbd rest corrupted. And atm the game counts it completed even if you die, so long as you and your team have are alive for 10 minutes or less and you are at least at 1 wound for 75% of that time. So for instance if you get to 1 wound, stay alive for 7 minutes and then die, it counts

[tepid garnet]

So wait till 350 comes up? That sounds like a better idea

[heavy shuttle]

But until devs release full crafting, I really wouldnt hang your hat on the randomized perks/stats. Unless you've got 4 leaf clovers sprouting from your ears.

[tepid garnet]

Tru tru

[cobalt salmon]

Ogryns:
Ripper Gun or Heavy Stubber?

[uncut tangle]

What Im hoping when I turn my bolter gold tbh

[tepid garnet]

What stats should I look for in a lasgun then? Headhunter? Ghost?

[heavy shuttle]

Simply a recommendation were I in your shoes. They are your mats 🙂

[hollow island]

i think it depends on what you want

[uncut tangle]

It has rending 3 so now I guess I'll hope to get weak point damage

[stuck ridge]

For now, if you really want Ghost, I'd get the Blue. When Full Crafting drops, you can then pull Ghost off of it and put it onto a Blue you make.

[hollow island]

i don't think ghost too must but I think a lasgun could make it good if you think you can

[normal tendon]

Neither

Nade gauntlet

[tepid garnet]

I don't really know What stats I want from the lasgun, Just been running uncommons till now

[heavy shuttle]

This is far from perfect. But maybe worth some discuss and ideas

[uncut tangle]

Nade is best butttt the dakka on stubber

[normal tendon]

Stubber is fun

[hollow island]

i have to try the rumbler at some point, been sticking to the stubber and gauntlets too much

[stuck ridge]

Stability and Damage are good to start with

[normal tendon]

Rumbler is pretty meh imo.

At least for Heresy/Damnation.

[hollow island]

stubber is really fun, and IZ like it more as both a single target and horde option

[heavy shuttle]

There was a guy swearing by Infernus on the forums a day or so ago.

[hollow island]

infernus looks interesting, but i've never seen seen a gun with it

[uncut tangle]

I don't use the gauntlet much but I saw it do work on heresy

Tumbler not so much

[hollow island]

crit hit kind of feels specific though, so I imagine mainly just for specials

[stuck ridge]

Having been on a team with Heavy Stubber Ogryn, it's saved my ass a couple times through its massive suppression and ammo.

Then, when the Ogryn had to reload, I'd quelled all my Peril and fired a fully charged Voidstrike projectile through what was left of the Special Horde to finish it off.

[uncut tangle]

I got a recon with infernus but it's really meh

[hollow island]

gauntlets is nice since it works with the bleed on heavy attack ability, they're more accurate at range than the other guns once you get a feel for it, and the special hit actually does nice damage

[cobalt salmon]

I've finished 2 missions and not a single progress in contracts, wtf

[hollow island]

though maybe i've gotten ones with lower stats, but I feel like the splash doesn't really kill stuff as much as the direct hits

[cobalt salmon]

I ripped my ass off for those scriptures

[hollow island]

the splash on the gauntlets did do good stagger though, much better than the kickback

[tight cedar]

infernus is great against bulwarks and monstrosities on a higher firerate weapon but on an XII its pretty worthless

[cobalt salmon]

splash has 3 dmg, check in meat grinder

[digital gate]

Quick question: What do people mean when they say stuff like "T3 or T4 Helmets" and so on? I've been playing for the past few days and trying to get my Guardsman all proper so understanding terminology would help

[hollow island]

man the kickback feels so bad. It's nice when you can get a stagger but the spread seems way too big to kill anything, and the reload feels like death

[signal cipher]

I prefer the Stubber but my play style is very much a slow push forward, and the Stubber allows for that play style to have a lot more sustainability

[uncut tangle]

T3 and t4 helmets are the helmets you get for completing all modes on a particular difficulty

[heavy shuttle]

There are different tiers of helmets based on achievements in game.

[stuck ridge]

The Helmet Penances are a Chain. So you get "better" helmets as you go along.

[uncut tangle]

So t3 is malice 4 is heresy

[torpid grotto]

t3 helmets may refer to the helmet with red bandana facemask and t4 helmets may refer to the helmet with gas mask.

[signal cipher]

With the ripper you can do that like twice

[digital gate]

So I have to complete every mode on Malice or Heresy and it'll grant me a helmet?

[heavy shuttle]

Interesting fact: The helmet with mouth visor distorts the vet's voice lines.

[crimson dagger]

with additional requirements

[heavy shuttle]

It'll be under your penance tab. It'll show you the way

[uncut tangle]

T2 is uprising, t3 is malace and t4 is heresy

Not sure about t5 tho

[torpid ruin]

Damnation

[torpid grotto]

[crimson dagger]

T5 is damn why are there still lvl 10s here

[digital gate]

Right now all I've seen under Penance is the Sharpshooter helmet at the end of the the class tree

[uncut tangle]

I meant the helmet...

I don't know if there is a t5...

[torpid grotto]

I need to do espionage on malice to earn that t3 helmet.

[zenith leaf]

Does the armory stop around 400ish power level? Are we upgrading from there basically?

[heavy shuttle]

Look under 'On Target' penance

[tight cedar]

seems that way

[torpid grotto]

We've yet to know

[digital gate]

Final question, is there a T1 helmet? I'm assuming not since I've played all the modes now on lvl 1

[uncut tangle]

No t1

[full loom]

Did the blackouts get disabled already?

[torpid grotto]

Yes.

[unborn pilot]

am i missing something with the stubber? i know i got a cheapy grey but im only 10 and its high power level. it seems pretty underwhelming. feeling like it doesn't damage much and the reload takes forever

[crimson dagger]

sadly

[digital gate]

I cri

[full loom]

I didn't get to try them out 😦

[crimson dagger]

blackout was much more fun than endless horde

[hollow island]

Stubber is a horde weapon

[uncut tangle]

Also there are other requirements like the nade throw or the no hit for t2 and 3

[full loom]

I've heard people are cheesing the Vet's no damage penance by disconnecting at the end of a run while the party waits for them to reconnect

[hollow island]

It has enough ammo and fire power to cut down an entire horde before they get to you, you’re a living sentry nest

[torpid ruin]

Doesn’t help that the stubber isn’t terribly accurate

[uncut tangle]

You can use the camo perk and it works well

[hollow island]

I got it that way by accident, I got dropped by a match and reconnected just in time to get it

[uncut tangle]

Best map to do it on was the raid mission for me

[digital gate]

I've not been able to get either of those yet. It's just too hard to get the distance for the nades or not get jumped by some rando cultist at the end of a mission

[stuck ridge]

Some say that three Level 30s once had a player kicked, and the replacement was a level 10.

Consigned to their doom, the Level 30s went about dying for the Emperor, and at last they were going to. They'd completed the objective, but the hordes at the end had completely overwhelmed them...

Except one. The Level 10, in Prisoner Garb, no less, stood triumphant aboard the Valkyrie. Mission success.

:P

[hollow island]

The stubber is actually kind of decently accurate, it’s not perfect but it’s good enough for what you’d want for something you treat like a minigun

[keen basalt]

does enemies can ruin the challenge maellus monstronum?
if the enemies hit the boss?

[uncut tangle]

Aim about 90 degrees above the target and throw

[tired crown]

Have you tried testing the grenades in the Psykhanium? If you throw them at a 45° angle they explode at head height

[uncut tangle]

Don't hold the left click just tap for a half throw and lob

Explodes almost always above the head

[hollow island]

I kind of wish it was faster to throw out nades, having to switch to them, pick the way you want to throw, and then actually throwing it makes it too slow to use in times I would want it

[torpid grotto]

they need a special condition that does both. or allow the special conditions to double up.

[tired crown]

That would be fun, I'd love pitch black with extra hordes*.

[hollow island]

It’s too clunky to throw a nade at your feet before a horde bits or to use mid horde

[uncut tangle]

I recommend meat grinder helps practice the nades for the achievement

Let's you get the distance and for maps the bridge or the end of the foundry map

[north wolf]

So, infernus is gonna get nerfed right? I just deleted an assassination target with it.

[hollow island]

Is the burn better than soul burn then?

[tired crown]

I hope not, it's great vs bosses but I feel like it can be a well balanced addition to our kit without nerfing it

[cursive citrus]

i gotta say, i wish we had the possibility for all maps and modes to show up. only having a couple maps with a few modes available for days makes it boring, but the game wants us to grind tons of runs

[tight cedar]

burn is the best DoT

[north wolf]

How can it be well balanced? It just takes bosses out of the game.

[outer stream]

so i am leveling my zealot and is level10 now. trying to get that mutant penance. what weapon would be ideal? i heard chainsword but doesnt seem to count with its altfire and at other times i just get grabbed by the charging mutant.

should i just wait until i have some insano strength weapon like the hammer for this?

[crimson dagger]

pistol

[rigid wasp]

I didn't do it on purpose but that did happen to me due to the game crashing, I don't really feel bad about it either tho tbh

[tired crown]

I've not had much luck with it vs hordes, especially on higher difficulties and scarcer ammo. Same with trying to take out ranged enemies, something vets should excel at

[uncut tangle]

I got it with thunder hammer but maybe a evic at level 11

[outer stream]

aight. il level a bit and get evic and try then probably weaken a bit first with some shots

[rigid wasp]

I wonder how they're gonna tweak alot of these weapons people say are OP cause while I get how they're OP, I'm also not sure how to nerf them in a manner in which they will remain viable within their niche

[cobalt salmon]

maybe they just need to buff other weapons

[tight cedar]

power sword just needs less than infinite cleave

[outer stream]

my personal take is... does it matter that they're OP?

its a coop game. not pvp

[uncut tangle]

Problem is nerfing something like the bolter just feels wrong

[gilded pond]

I think they could adjust the charge time or moveset so it still cleaves but isn't easy horizontal strikes only

[feral gust]

And lvl6 is BTFO

[cursive citrus]

chainsword needs better damage

[rigid wasp]

The psyker penance's are so stupid and rng, they reward you for greifing your grp..? 🤨

[midnight rain]

Bolter has its issues. Shouldn’t be nerfed

[cursive citrus]

boltor is hella slow

and limited ammo relatively

[uncut tangle]

Using it as an example

[tight cedar]

yeah maybe

[midnight rain]

The animations suck

[tight cedar]

yup its the same with vets 100% accuracy penance too

[feral gust]

It does massive damage - it's only failing is: it cant stagger a shielded-Bulwark
Did you activate the special?

[rigid wasp]

tbh the bolter, even if it stayed as slow as it were, would feel a lot better if it did not need to be constantly re-racked and instead it was just sort of hefting the gun back up

[uncut tangle]

But bolter is actually busted, like even with its issues it probably the best vet weapon

[rigid wasp]

same with zealot only using melee achi.

[dire sierra]

Does every mission give the same amount of crafting materials?

[signal cipher]

Care to do it yourself

[shrewd pendant]

Yay or nay?

[celest turtle]

Worth keeping to upgrade?

[uncut tangle]

Yay but gets hot is meh imo

[signal cipher]

Idk man plasma crits hit different

[tight cedar]

well the only good roll on that is carapace damage

[gilded pond]

Its fine for things to be OP in a co-op game, but it feels bad to feel like you're handicapping yourself by playing anything other than the clearly strongest choice. Power Sword is in a state now where its strong, but doesn't invalidate the game's difficulty. I'd like to see other options be similarly powerful.

[rigid wasp]

nah

[uncut tangle]

4% feels low for a prefix imo

[tight cedar]

yeah 4% is irrelevant

[cursive citrus]

power sword is also a lot worse if you get totally surrounnded while alone

[rigid wasp]

yeah you wouldn't think a 100% accuracy thing would be so luck based but you never know when something is about to hit you in the back and throw off your shot, even with the woosh if you gotta dodge it may be too late, trigger already pulled, and that's not even getting into killstealing teammates, so you're incentivized to take only the safest, point blankest shots into hordes, and be very stingy with how you shoot, to the detriment of all of your teammates since you're supposed to be playing the shooty class but now you're doing melee, and even if the power sword makes you near zealot in combat effectiveness in melee, you're not as sustainable in that fight, you're not getting your health back, if you go down you're going down, etc.

[cursive citrus]

its a joke unless powered

[uncut tangle]

Had it been like 12 it would be great

[signal cipher]

It stacks

[cursive citrus]

if you can make space to charge it its insane

[shrewd pendant]

Isn't the most important thing the stat allocation and that one got amazing stat allocation into damage. I can reroll the blessings and perks on release

[celest turtle]

Thought not, thanks

[cursive citrus]

but if you get mobbed without time to charge, its useless

[tight cedar]

pretty much

[hollow island]

Things being too OP can take the fun out of playing, and it’s nice to have options and specializ

[gilded pond]

That too. I think lowering increasing its charge up time would make it more team oriented. I can still solo hordes with it with some tricky dodging for charges

[shrewd pendant]

Only problem is I hate the plasma gun on vet, I think it gimps what you're supposed to do

[rigid wasp]

it's not totally useless without time to charge, it's just very meh, I would compare it to maybe a devil's claw while uncharged but maybe I have a poor opinion of the devil's claw

[peak valve]

Curious if anyone actually uses the las pistol/autopistol past level 10 or so.

[cursive citrus]

way worse than a claw, really bad damage

[rigid wasp]

it is an oddly close range weapon to be honest, wonder how the melta is gonna look

[hollow island]

I think the las pistol sucks, but the auto pistol is actually fun

[rigid wasp]

I saw a lvl 30 vet on heresy with a laspistol and he carried our team

[hollow island]

Auto pistol on vet is really fun

[shrewd pendant]

melta is gonna be short range also right? so same problems the plasma gun has on vet

[feral gust]

mobs are lowlevel; you should sweep theough most of them (cos it's fast-spamming)
Thunderhammers and Chain Axes are slow, but sweep-tactics.
if you're being mobbed by Elites, then you're S.O.L.

[peak valve]

The commissar cain in me really wants to use the chainsword + laspistol lol

[tight cedar]

i have a really nice burn stack laspistol which performs pretty well, the issue is that because its a pistol it has massive damage dropoff over range so you end up needing 3-4 headshots to kill a regular ranged enemy from a distance

[hollow island]

I don’t see a reason to use a las pistol over a las gun

[dusty sphinx]

aye question

[prisma horizon]

Does anyone else experience problem where changing keybind in settings aint doing its thing?

[rigid wasp]

yeah but I mean like, plasma is supposed to be lasgun range in tabletop, melta is the short ranged weapon, so I wonder how much melta gonna degrade in range

[outer stream]

fair. my personal take is that weapons should feel fun to use. i like the regular knife a lot. not that its too great though. but feels fun darting around the level with charged attacks and instakilling regular enemies i encounter along the way 😄 makes me faster than normal running

[prisma horizon]

I tried to rebind jump but its not changing it even tho it shows change

[rigid wasp]

would combining it with sniper help? though I guess that would only be an option for vet...

[tight cedar]

it helps somewhat but 20% damage doesnt make up for the dropoff unfortunately

20% on 3-4 shots is still 3-4 shots

[uncut tangle]

Is it just me are all Hersey missions endless even though they say they aren't

[cursive citrus]

you can only sweep a couple uncharged

[uncut tangle]

Just queued up for the smelter and it was endless for some reason

[outer stream]

i just had a sedition level mission where all enemies had armor felt kinda weird

like. full soldier level armor

[rigid wasp]

has anyone seen the modes Espionage and Investigate at all today?

[feral gust]

chainswords are good with dodges and kiting
Chainaxes and Thunderhammers are similar, but you need to time the swing a bit (else you get hit)

[rare shadow]

worth replacing my 276 with 320 one?

[uncut tangle]

Yes

[exotic robin]

do i have to keep buying gear to upgrade the gearscore of items i get in the shop? Or can i keep playing without having to do that

[uncut tangle]

But man the bars hurt my eyes

[heavy shuttle]

Yeah bad bar rolls on those

[rigid wasp]

Anyone?

[outer stream]

i did espionage i think

[uncut tangle]

They will pop up later

[feral gust]

Sweeps are still low-level crowd control.
If you want to kill a mauler/crusher/bulwark, you charge+quickshot
(test it/practice in the psycharnium/meatgrinder)

[outer stream]

what was investigate again?

[uncut tangle]

The scanner missions

[shrewd pendant]

Those aren't necessarily bad dmg rolls since he's low level. both guns suck but lower rating one will deal more damage

[rigid wasp]

are they in the game again tho? I haven't seen either espionage or investigate since 6pm yesterday

[outer stream]

havent seen that one today

[uncut tangle]

You pull out the aliens scanner and scan clothing and trashcans

[rigid wasp]

@uncut tangle whoops I replied to the wrong person this was meant for you

after power outage went away I no longer saw anymore investigates or espionages

[verbal wagon]

I kind of feel the same about the bolter, although never useless it's not very good at doing what vet should be doing imo (clearing all ranged threats as efficiently as possible)

[slow fog]

Joins Heresy lobby
Sees level 15
Leaves

[uncut tangle]

I think the got rotated out for desert map

[rigid wasp]

nah 6pm yesterday they were ALL in rotation

all 7 modes

I played all 7 yesterday looking for daemonhosts

[slow fog]

They need to fix this

I want to know what mission I need to do haha

[uncut tangle]

I did espionage but I don't recall doing investigation in the last few days

But I try to avoid it anyways

[rigid wasp]

That is the penance I am trying to do

[hollow island]

the only vet weapon with less ammo than the plasma gun is the revolver and that's a pocket sniper so it makes sense, the plasma gun should do more damage for how much of a clear special deleter it is

[rigid wasp]

You are probably missing one of the 2 missions I am missing.

Espionage or Investigate as they keep getting removed

[feral gust]

damn Stats page should tell you what you've done/missing.

[tight cedar]

the issue is most people play on difficulty 3 where its less of an issue but as soon as you hit difficulty 4 the bolter no longer functions as a ranged enemy clearer due to the number of them and how slow the gun is

[rigid wasp]

Oh I know what I'm missing

[tight cedar]

you can viably use just about anything on difficulty 3

[rigid wasp]

Malice Espionage and Malice Investigate

[uncut tangle]

I'm only missing investigation for the gasmask

[rigid wasp]

They just keep getting removed

[uncut tangle]

But I absolutely hate the mission so never even attempted it on heresy

[slow fog]

Is there any way to check? It isnt my first high level character so I just dont know

[rigid wasp]

Is this accatran worth upgrading?

[feral gust]

I got "6/7" but can't remember if it's Espionage or Investigate(it's the only two I haven't re-done today)

[dapper turret]

is faith restored + bloodletting good?

[outer stream]

recon lasgun is my favorite

[uncut tangle]

Everyone is saying infernus is good so yes

[dapper turret]

I feel like im suboptimal as zealot

[rigid wasp]

I think it looks good I mean the bars are good and the first perk is burn damage

[dapper turret]

I currently have purity in blood running

[slow fog]

Are there different recon lasguns? The one I used seemed OK, but not great

[radiant mulch]

infernus deletes assassination targets

[tired crown]

That's not the crazy strong version, it's still very good though

[north wolf]

Infernus is crazy good so I'd keep it. yeah.

[rigid wasp]

It's my favorite version

I like that accatran the most

[radiant mulch]

which Mk is?

[uncut tangle]

There's mk II and Mk VIIa and VIId

[tight cedar]

ammo is bad and damage to carapace is redundant so its not a great investment so it depends on if you want to spend a ton on it, infernus is good though

[dapper turret]

Do I run purity in blood or faith restored

[tired crown]

The one with torrent instead of rapid fire

[feral gust]

never seen the Infernus .. best sniper I saw was hellbore.

[uncut tangle]

VIId has high rof but less pen and damge

[heavy stone]

Accatron Recons come in Marks II, IV, and VII iirc. Each successive mark deals more damage at cost of ammo pool + RoF (afaik)

[tired crown]

It doesn't matter, with vet perks you get crazy high crit chance while aiming down sights and apply a huge amount of burn stacks

The only thing that matters is the burn stacks with that particular strategy

[topaz citrus]

anyone have any cheese to get the pick n mix penance? been trying for hours with and without premades, no luck

[uncut tangle]

That's if you have infernus

Gotta look at the base gun

[outer stream]

wait. if infernus does the damage wouldnt the markll be doing the best due to high ammo cap?

[uncut tangle]

It has the lowest rof I believe

[radiant mulch]

are you lvl 30?

[outer stream]

hmm.

[tight cedar]

the mk2 is the middle ground of damage and RoF

[unborn pilot]

whats infernus? how do you know what has it?

[tight cedar]

D is high firerate, A is the low firerate

[uncut tangle]

Oh my bad then

[topaz citrus]

yep

[cerulean pelican]

what first perk do you use as vet with the accatran? Was thinking weakspot

[uncut tangle]

That could explain my dislike of infernus then