gameplay-help

[slow fog]

I know, I used regular axe up until I got an evisc

[heavy shuttle]

I tend to play near the rear of the group so mobility isnt too much of a concern with map knowledge. I switch to power sword only to clear sudden horde or help teammates. As for ammo concerns, playing any class but vet I would agree. With 40% extra ammo I can prioritize targets and havent run dry yet.

[tame kite]

just bang rock together and pick up ammo not to share

the ammount of times i get left behind

toxic low tier players from classic LFD i swear

or its all cod babys

[silent dome]

so much quality of life stuff from V2 isnt here and its driving me nuts

[slow fog]

Drives me nuts when someone is on low ammo and shoots something I'm in melee with

[maiden burrow]

does endless horde increase crafting mats gained at the end??

[humble heart]

If you have a lasgun veteran dealing with the swarms of ranged, then sure i like a bolter vet

[silent dome]

veteran has a perk that gives toughness to friends when they kill something theyre in melee range of

[tame kite]

what really pisses me off is the level of stupidity in this game

i call out ammo packs and medipacks

but no one picks them up

like uh you have a empty slot for a carry on TAKE IT

no they just walk right on by and ignore it because they dont need ammo

[pulsar tundra]

That feat seems redundant to me as killing things in melee is how you get toughness back anyway. how effective is it at higher levels?

[silent dome]

no clue

[tame kite]

id sure love to enjoy the game but its hard when i keep lobbying up with morons DX

[humble heart]

Recently dropped evis in favour of axe, feel like its slower and deals less damage

[uncut verge]

If you’re shooting into their melee, normally any killers you get deny them toughness regen. That perk instead gives them the toughness they didn’t get from killing the

[humble heart]

Dodging and sliding feels so much more smoother with axe too

[pulsar tundra]

yeah, but firing into crowds is silly as a veteran

[peak crag]

Hey all, quick question..this game is single player? Ive been playing by myself for awhile

[pulsar tundra]

mag dumping into trash is fun and all, but its a really inefficient way of dealing with a crowd

[tame kite]

its not how are you only playing solo all the time?

[uncut verge]

Depends on your ammo situation… I can get kills faster shooting than joining the melee

[peak crag]

I just met the Inquisitor via cutscene

[rustic furnace]

That's the tutorial

[pulsar tundra]

faster than the zealot or ogryn just handling it; which is their entire deal?

doubt

[uncut verge]

If I don’t have anything else to shoot at the moment, yes, me helping makes it go faster

Prioritize ranged enemies and specials obviously

[peak crag]

OK now it looks like im at a mission select screen..is there a Main Mission to progress with the campaign?

[pulsar tundra]

the delta between you shooting into a swarm to do trash clean up vs switching to melee for it is - less than negligable.

[keen cedar]

i cant figure out what i need for the 7 missions for vet

[heavy shuttle]

Not all 7 are in the game atm

[neon ice]

look in mission penance

[thin nebula]

When does Zealot thunder hammer unlock?

[balmy basin]

25+

[neon ice]

disrupt and espi not ingame

[keen cedar]

the penance dosnt say

i see some people walking around with the helmet

[rustic furnace]

Are we supposed to throw away old gear we don't want anymore, or is there gonna be a way to recycle them?

[neon ice]

Penance tab, mission category, it will show how many you've done of a certain mission type if you scroll down and read through it

[uncut verge]

Disruption was available on day one only

[keen cedar]

oh

[heavy shuttle]

Eventually we can scrap gear at crafting station to pull traits out of them.

[rustic furnace]

Do we throw away the white ones since they don't have any?

[neon ice]

keep it for upgrade if its of a good combat rating, if not you can dismantle for coin

[uncut verge]

Maybe, we don’t know that, but worth holding onto trash items until we find out

[heavy shuttle]

Unless they are upwards of 400+ yes.

[neon ice]

full game on 30th

[heavy shuttle]

We do, it was put out today.

[uncut verge]

No, one aspect of crafting was put out today

[ocean schooner]

Are there any force swords other than the first one for Psyker?

Like a two handed one or something

[heavy shuttle]

https://steamcommunity.com/games/1361210/announcements/detail/3485252139459350312

Under earn blessing

[tired crown]

You're a hero among the regular dregs of this channel, @heavy shuttle

[uncut verge]

Then it’s only worth keeping if it has a trait you want

Unless there’s a way to scrap items for parts, which isn’t detailed, but looking unlikely

[ancient tartan]

is emperors gift bugged? i havent seen one in a while

[uncut verge]

RNGesus hates you

[neon ice]

RNG

[ocean schooner]

Definitely exists

[regal lava]

Insignia leak showed a few alternatives but no idea if they'll actually be added

[ocean schooner]

Thanks

Hoping to get something different

[full loom]

Speculation is a form of heresy

[heavy shuttle]

🤠

[regal lava]

Same, the current one is great on heresy/damnation for deleting elites in a pinch but outside of that I don't see a use for it

[ocean schooner]

I'm also just not a fan of flurry weapons

[uncut verge]

You know what they say about speculation… It makes a ‘spec’ out of ‘u’ and…. No wait a minute

[ocean schooner]

Kind of boring just spam swinging around, and death by a thousand cuts kind of ordeals

[regal lava]

It would be great if the force greatsword actually gets added with a decent sweep range so you can deal w/ hordes properly

[unborn pilot]

for the vet power sword. does the charged attack perfect cleave?

the alt fire

[heavy shuttle]

Yessss

[full loom]

I would like double-edged eviscerator

Not double-bladed, that would be silly

[ocean schooner]

Yea, it'd be fun if I had a high damage close range psyker that's squishy

[tiny flicker]

was told i should ask here, is this worth it, or is thunder hammer not if it doesnt have the 20% attack speed modifier

[ocean schooner]

being a brain burst bot is cool and all

[full loom]

power sword is strongest

[ocean schooner]

but i want to use force swords more

[full loom]

look, enjoy walking around for 12 seconds trying to pop 1 guy for a 3% damage increase

I prefer the more immediate method of: gun.

[regal lava]

BB is pretty useless later on other than getting charges w/ it, you'll get more utility out of a staff

[heavy shuttle]

Yeah that'll do.

[keen cedar]

no

[full loom]

that's pretty decent ya

it's not perfect, but it's pretty good

[uncut verge]

A must for grim runs

[sleek light]

I liked grim ribs more

[neon ice]

Is good, you can build some feats with zealot for attack speed if you want to go that way, but that hammer will hit armor hard

[uncut verge]

They’re burnt and dry, not that good really

[tiny flicker]

do you think its worth it to wait for eviscerator, i feel like TH isnt that great all around

[wet bloom]

I dont get why everyone loves the bolter so much besides it feeling chunky

my las seems to do everything besides armors but faster

[torn wigeon]

Having trouble getting progress for this penance; is this like some of the others where it reads Malice but actually requires Heresy to progress

[neon ice]

Evis is fun and good for crowds, thunder is single target

[inner river]

Because it's the BOLTER.
Seriously though, it's a good gun and fun to use but not fantastic.

I enjoy it but outside of melting big guys quick it's pretty hard to justify

[heavy shuttle]

The ability to delete heavy carapace off the map in 2-3 seconds under bolter auto fire is huge for diff 4-5

[maiden burrow]

based on the other unreleased crafting options, it seems like we can adjust everything so not having 1 good trait is fine as long as you have something you want to keep on it for later

[heavy shuttle]

Outside of vet class I would agree

[neon ice]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-warhammer40k-tactical-marine-bolter-adeptus-astartes-gif-16749240

dakka

[wet bloom]

Ive only really played vet, did a bit all but vet just feels right

plus I enjoy the loose cannon personality the most

[proper smelt]

The Professional personality isn't really very professional at all

[neon ice]

I love veteran

[sleek light]

this achievement bugged or? I feel like more people probably have this than me

[tiny flicker]

i feel like Evis are good for single target too

[wet bloom]

They remember the codes, thats professional enough

[tiny flicker]

just not as good as TH

[neon ice]

ye

[unkempt laurel]

The twinlinked stubber on Ogryn is more dakka than the bolter

[primal osprey]

You do have to do it on heresy

[tiny flicker]

Flamer/Thunder hammer seems like what you want i guess

[neon ice]

I've heard there was a stormbolter

[tiny flicker]

flamer for crowds thunder hammer for elites

[neon ice]

at least in an old YT vid

[unkempt laurel]

I don't think so?

But I don't know so

[neon ice]

not from what I've seen

[proper smelt]

We're not at full arsenal yet...

[maiden burrow]

pretty much what i see most zealots run. Just pray someone else deals with snipers and ranged

[neon ice]

but it could have been when it was still in development

[proper smelt]

I just played the new map. It was ok

Waiting for more

[tiny flicker]

alright well

time to pog out

[neon ice]

need helmet, got a bald head

[stone forum]

I've only seen bolter that are dakka dakka or dakkadakkadakkadakka so far. Wish I'd get the quicker dakka one.
lovely gun tho

[proper smelt]

There's a serious lack of hats and generic clothes

[maiden burrow]

hahaa jk we just wanted you to waste ur mats

[proper smelt]

Why can't i wear a soft cover

[neon ice]

me want combi-bolter

[proper smelt]

Or a t shirt

[stone forum]

hello kitty t shirt

[tiny flicker]

😔

[wet magnet]

On the topic of dakka

It’d be hilarious if there was an ork shoota skin for the bolter

[proper smelt]

Or just regular flak armor even if I'm not a veteran

[maiden burrow]

I want to craft my thunderhammer up but the bug is still there 😦

[stone forum]

Ogryn (but it's an Ork class)+

[tiny flicker]

whats the bug

[neon ice]

variants would be nice too

[proper smelt]

I feel like everyone should be allowed the generic breastplate

[maiden burrow]

cant upgrade thunder hammer, alll othe weapons are fine

[neon ice]

is good, mastercrafted

[torn wigeon]

Having played with both Evis and TH (at least the variants I've personally acquired) I'd actually say the opposite. The Eviscerator felt like it was much faster at killing armored specials/elites/etc., whereas the TH's power attacks had much better cleave and crowd stagger

[tiny flicker]

at least i look badass

well idk if the eviscerator is going to have the animation cancel thing removed

which makes it really good

for the rev

[torn wigeon]

idk anything about that, i've been doing it normally and it's still okay lol

[supple ice]

Same 😦

[worn edge]

is there any way to get a team together to help me do the psyker head burst achievement on a monstrosity without anyone else doing damage to it?

[full loom]

I was a touch disappointed that we couldn't swap voices in the barbershop tbh. Cadian gets a little old after a while

[torn wigeon]

best to ask in the lfg channels. people are usually posting groups for various penances

[silent dome]

hey whats the difference between the 3 recon lasgun variants

[torn wigeon]

Kantrael - Semi-auto DMR
Lucius - Semi-auto w/ charge shot function (and a knoife!)
Accatran - Full auto

[silent dome]

I said the recon lasgun

not all the lasguns

[torn wigeon]

Oh lmao. I believe it should say in the thumbnail? Like whether it's torrent or rapid-fire or smth like that

afaik it's fire rates

[silent dome]

they all say the same thing

[proper smelt]

No some say torrent and some say rapid fire

[fair ore]

Are there supposed to be only pants for the Veteran Shooter cosmetics?

[proper smelt]

I forget which is whoch though

[proper smelt]

I saw camo breastplates too. They rotate with the shop

[fair ore]

Every other one has pants/top combos

[torn wigeon]

it seems like armor cosmetics are partially tied to rank as well - higher you are, the more variants + helmets you'll see

[spring steppe]

Can anyone tell me if there's a place on this Disocrd where you find groups to play with?

[proper smelt]

They are super expensive

[balmy basin]

Heard the opposite of this statement. Eviscerator being the better option for cleaving, to me it seems more like a preference option

[fair ore]

I hope that's the case, cause I love the Shooter pants but I want tops to match

[proper smelt]

Ive seen tops

So tjey definitely exist

[keen cedar]

man D:

[faint hamlet]

#vox-lfg-lexicanum

[proper smelt]

My guess is the different namws i dicate color?

[keen cedar]

i have no oranges yet

[spring steppe]

Thank you so much.

[torn wigeon]

I might just have an Evis with terrible cleave lmao, that and i'm still trying to figure out the best combo - TH's power attack combo are simple horizontal swings, whereas the Evis mixes in overheads

[proper smelt]

Like penitent was olive green or something like thay

[rare shadow]

wonder if i can use this for a bolt build

[keen cedar]

its not as good as it seem in my ooinion

[rare shadow]

oh why

[keen cedar]

typically you are running around then you find a group to shoot at

[silent dome]

can people who are like level 2 or 3 please stop joining on Malice and higher with endless horde

[keen cedar]

and normally enemies rush you

[balmy basin]

I'll be honest. No idea what team Eviscerator is on, at least on Heresy difficulty the damage on it is pretty bad against elites. Thunder Hammer is much better

[random sparrow]

do you need to be at malice level or higher to complete melk contracts?

[proper smelt]

No

[fair ore]

Sometimes it just doesnt register the progress

[stoic heath]

so does anyone know what the combine blessings thing hadron can do is? I cant get it to work

[proper smelt]

Did they turn it on yet?

[heavy shuttle]

I use this. It synergizes well with the dodge +stamina ability in the previous tier. It only triggers while you have stamina, but if you play in the rear of the team you're not really using stamina in the first place (emperor willing). Its definitely worth the selection.

[stark rampart]

Cant decide if i should get it

having both those perks seems good

[heavy shuttle]

I've seen dudes go nuts with the axe.

[slow fog]

For me at least, evi is for horde clearing and minor elites. Ragers if they're individuals or in pairs, the revved mode stunlocks which is useful. For Ogryns etc, I switch to bolter. Pretty much nothing I can't do at that point, except for maybe very long range

[heavy shuttle]

Got some damn good rolls too. Good shit

[stark rampart]

Axe is definetly my 2nd favorite wep on my vet, but theres just something about slicing through enemies like butter with the power sword

[rare shadow]

@heavy shuttlety for ur advice

[torn wigeon]

good situational awareness and good frontliners to give you space, this will be good - obviously just don't tunnel vision on targets then catch a fade by some maniacs with 1 bar of stamina lol. I'd run it for the crit chance alone, but I'm just wondering whether the sway reduction affects recoil or the VERY slight sway your weapon makes when holding ADS

[stoic heath]

so between these two chainswords, which is better

[balmy basin]

Left

[full loom]

Penance progress is character bound, ya?

[stoic heath]

what do ya mean by balance

[torn wigeon]

left for the perks, right for the very slight increase in raw stats

[balmy basin]

They're a vet, they won't be much on the front so just do left for cleaving

[stoic heath]

im level 21 and reroll blessings isnt unlocked

[heavy shuttle]

Audio cues help immensely... (They work 85%? of the time for me. FatShark is still working out some bugs). The sway reduction is more noticeable with the MG12 than the bolter (because she kicks like a b***) but any reduction in recoil with the bolter is better than none. Plus I'm not impressed with either of the two remaining feats in its lvl category

Im curious... what current cosmetic buyables best look like cadian armor?

Shooter's Punishment?

[teal lagoon]

what dose power do?

[rigid wasp]

where do you go to claim rewards?

[teal lagoon]

stopping power?

[rigid wasp]

from twitch drops?

[heavy shuttle]

I just had to click my twitch drop down menu on the website to access my loot.

[torn wigeon]

If power means the same thing like it did in Vermintide, then it's basically damage, but that's complete speculation lmao

[dull pier]

So anybody knows if FLASH point and ESPIONAGE missions will make a return? Havent seen them since first 2 days

[rigid wasp]

wait, do I have to own the game to claim drops?

[heavy shuttle]

I believe you have to have your accounts linked. Not sure about ownage.

[little stream]

did they already take the new map out?

[rigid wasp]

my accounts linked

just dont own the game

[heavy shuttle]

This is heresy.

Also, just checked it, but from what I'm reading the drops dont start until tomorrow.

[rigid wasp]

I dont get paid till next week dont yell at me T-T

[proper smelt]

I thought power is some sort of physicsy stat that interacts with enemy weight

[rigid wasp]

oooh, okay, I missed the lasgun camo but luckily there's another run

the only one I gotta worry about is the autogun camo skin

[heavy shuttle]

It was winter camo and looks like smacked ass.

[rigid wasp]

because it's a one time

[quiet ginkgo]

Where can i find where these icons are explained? Or the stats, like finesse? What does everything mean lol

[rigid wasp]

is the next lasgun winter camo too?

[honest gazelle]

wait

what the fuck

[heavy shuttle]

I don't believe it will be. They already put out the winter camo. Hopefully it'll be some kind of urban/woodland camo.

[honest gazelle]

my killshots duty chestpiece just got the leather gloves back

[rigid wasp]

darn

[honest gazelle]

like the full ones

[rigid wasp]

thank you though, I guess I'll have to live without the winter camo, but get the rest

[torn wigeon]

I'm not so sure if there's anything about it now, but I believe FS talked about updating the stat descriptions as part of the beta/full release lol

[heavy shuttle]

You're not missing anything, I promise.

Like... ew.

[rigid wasp]

oh

I can live without it then lol

I'll snag the rest of the drops though

[torn wigeon]

imagine using camo instead of factory paint like the good emperor intended.

[heavy shuttle]

First rule of combat: Look cool.

[rigid wasp]

militarum standard green lasguns

[wet bloom]

red

[torn wigeon]

technically it's a crime to 'improve' upon technology in the imperium, tho idk if paint counts as that lmao

[heavy shuttle]

I thought that was just the mechanicus(sp?)

[torn wigeon]

idk the specifics, friend just told me there's a reason Imperium is stuck in the techno-middle ages lmao

[rigid wasp]

lasguns arent blessed because they are so mass produced admech doesnt feel like spending the time doing so

boltguns are though

[heavy shuttle]

From what I recall, it was the entire AI scare. Age of Strife thing.

[heavy shuttle]

Uh oh...

Google "how to remove spraypaint"

[rigid wasp]

improving means technologically usually

even space marines paint boltguns

why do you think iron hands use white boltguns?

or sometimes hazard stripes are painted on

It's not an AI scare if it actually happened.

except in the Horus Heresy they made AI equivalents with the castellax robots

[heavy shuttle]

Nearly getting wiped out as a species can be pretty scary.

[rigid wasp]

then after the Heresy, they replaced thallax and castellax with castellan robots, which didnt use any advanced robotics like the castellax used

[hallow pebble]

This is new under the Account Penances'

Anyone know what it is?

[rigid wasp]

You have to understand as well that the Imperium of Man has been at war for over ten thousand years, while this would normally drive innovation and development, they're at war with the primordial forces of chaos itself, so any Change is inherently risky. Not to say that there isn't innovation on a microscale, techpriests will develop and fiddle with whatever projects they have, but in order for it to effect change in the Imperium at all needs to first go through the mechanicus bureaucracy, then the imperium burueacracy, getting checked over at all points for heresy.

[heavy shuttle]

Crafting station?

[hallow pebble]

I'm 30 with access to it tho

[summer bison]

First is cleave for first light attack, second is diagonal for first heavy, third is a buff on special

[silent dome]

is the chainsword good? or is the power sword better

[rigid wasp]

They'll probably release a hotfix awarding completion later after launch

Anyways, personal problem, uhhhh, thoughts?

[rigid wasp]

yeah, the imperium had a major technological setback after the heresy, especially admech

they regressed quite a bit

[heavy shuttle]

I tend to favor power sword. It doesn't lock you in place and has infinite cleave after special ability use.

[heavy shuttle]

Its... okay :/

[rigid wasp]

The DR Snipers seems kind of minor, but Toughness is good, Corruption resistance is probably top tier, and sprint efficiency gives further dodges so very good.

I love the power sword

[heavy shuttle]

For 1k premium coin, I'd say wait for better.

[rigid wasp]

Yeah fair enough, would probably rather +1 Wounds for primary stat too

[silent dome]

oof

welp

guess im getting that next

[rigid wasp]

But 12% sprint on minor trait sounds crazy

[silent dome]

I like the chainsword since its versatile and the alt fire allows me to armor pierce

[heavy shuttle]

That movement lock though...

[pearl night]

I'm sure they'll rein in the power sword eventually

[summer bison]

Weapons get that trait too

[heavy shuttle]

Absolutely.

[pearl night]

It's too good now

[rigid wasp]

Yeah, my ideal is a Catachan Combat Blade with Sprint Efficiency, backstab and bleeding

I want a power axe

or a power pick

I had a sprint efficiency bleeding one before and it performed so well.

power picks would be cool

[silent dome]

figured out, the blue variant of the recon lasgun is pretty strong

it has almost twice the DPS of the mk II recon lasgun

[summer bison]

Does sprint efficiency even do anything outside of lowering stamina use?

[silent dome]

its individual shots are weaker but its firerate is 50% more

[keen cedar]

rock and stone?

[rigid wasp]

From what I've seen, dodge distance increases

lol, yeah there's a power pick, and a heavy power pick

[gray ivy]

how do you get the 1000?

[rigid wasp]

they are really cool weapons imo

[heavy shuttle]

For completing all the weekly assigned contracts

[summer bison]

That also depends on weapon base dodge value, mobility and defense stats

[rigid wasp]

you got fucked

also the power maul/mace should be added

[rigid wasp]

yeah for sure

[summer bison]

I'll test tho. Interesting

[summer bison]

Automatically

Well I did

[gray ivy]

its a bug, it doesnt display the 1000 but i can purchase stuff

[inner river]

Does the Complete 7 Mission Types As Veteran penance have an unlisted difficulty requirement? I did 7 mission types but it's still only at 6

[honest gazelle]

ok it was a glitch, very weird, the old gloves still look a million times better than the new ones though

[pastel panther]

Anyone would like to group to do a run on Heresy? Wanting to complete the "Make Every Shot Count" for my Veteran ❤️

[coral tide]

have you done the repair mission?

[inner river]

I've done the repair mission, the two assassination missions, the smeltery mission, the investigation mission, the water purifier mission, the ammo raid.

Unless the new mission being Raid, the same as the ammo raid, counts as not being a new mission type, the only other one I can think of that I'm missing out on is the sandy mission from day 1

damn.

[coral tide]

honestly tho. i have given up on sharp shooter penances as they are honestly the worst of all the class ones and damn near made me quit the game

[torn wigeon]

Psyker penances are pretty bad too. No one's getting those on accident lol

[coral tide]

ye psyker has the 2nd worst

[inner river]

I got the no damage one by disconnecting near the end then reconnecting. Not even mad, I was never going to legit get it and it's the only one that I think would be 100% impossible for me.
Not looking forward to the 100% accuracy one though. Might just run revolver with a premade for it.

[honest gazelle]

its totally doable with camo expert

[coral tide]

hell i cant even do marked for death and long bomb lol

[torn wigeon]

Apparently it's doable with assassination missions - ammo dump on the boss' shield and beware of specials that might give u bonus ammo on kill.

[inner river]

I got Long Bomb by just running the lowest difficulty and arcing grenades over every group of enemies. The bomb detonates at the end of the line so if you can find an area where the line ends right over them they should die.
I did it on a staircase iirc, throwing up to a patrol at the top of it.

[sleek light]

I really disagree with Sharpshooter's penances being that difficult or tedious

[patent sapphire]

long bomb wasn't that bad for me, one of the assassination missions i think has a hold out where you're waiting for the elevator and there's that long bridge with a horde that just goes on forever, toss it like 45-50 degrees in the air down the bridge

[honest gazelle]

for long bomb just quick throw at a high angle into a horde

[patent sapphire]

took me like 2 grenades to get

[sleek light]

The Long bomb one is so easy, just play the Smelter mission and as you're taking the final elevator chuck your nades where you came from, 3 of my friends got it at their first try as did I

[honest gazelle]

quick throws have shorter fuse time

[sleek light]

As for the no melee damage, just play a bit back and watch your surroundings, took me 3 tries with random groups to get it

[honest gazelle]

yea with camo expert poxwalkers and whatnot literally just walk by you, makes it a breeze

there will be strays ofc but most just walk right past

[sleek light]

I honestly didn't even have camo expert but yeah, that'd make it a lot easier

[ancient tartan]

should i upgrade this

[sleek light]

I mean, do you consider resistance against pox hounds and tox flamers good?

[ancient tartan]

yeah i would prefer gunner

[sleek light]

I think it's terrible personally but it's what you prefer

Max health is good though

[uncut verge]

I think the max health is a good roll, but you’re probably going to want to reroll the other 2 perks completely.

I think you want art least 2 strong rolls that you are happy with to upgrade though

The % rolls are good, just not that useful lol

They’re not currently available

Because they were at one point

[sleek light]

Anyone here that has done the Sharpshooter/Veteran one for the helmet and can show me the requirements for the second helmet?

[uncut verge]

Limited content beta, shit gets pulled to work on

[heavy shuttle]

Not available due to missions not being in rotation

[sleek light]

So it's just more missions that's required for the second helmet?

[uncut verge]

Yup

[heavy shuttle]

There are a few achieves needed as well

[uncut verge]

You’ll get it quickly after release though they might come back next week

[sleek light]

I figured, that's why I asked if someone could show me what it was

[uncut verge]

Probably just one though, I think one is in the 5th zone and not sure they meant to even have it on day one

[young mulch]

OH... oh baby...

[honest gazelle]

the helmet after the red mask bandana one is the half gas mask and helmet combo

the guy who showed it said its like heresy level stuff you gotta do then so all the helmets just go up in difficulties for unlocks

[hallow pebble]

is 350 the highest grey weapon or 400?

[ashen chasm]

I think you mean "beta" not "'beta'"

[honest gazelle]

i mean week 3 is almost here

by then as long as we get all the missions were supposed to we can get our hats

wed only be missing 3 from zone 5

[cerulean crown]

Uh, can the Kantrael XII lasgun be obtained by Zealots?

[oblique plank]

anyone know how i can join a squad? i got no one to play with 🙂

[north wolf]

Just had a very low level join on a malice mission. Why is there no stricter requirement on joining different difficulties? We got 5 difficulites, and 30 levels. first difficulty any level, then 10, 15, 20, 25. At least for quickmatch. if you 4 stack, pick whatever difficulty you like.

[slow fog]

Quickplay

[storm laurel]

yeah

[cerulean crown]

Okay, I'm just not seeing it in the list of unlocks on the guide in the steam guides section but that means very little, just haven't seen one pop up

[slow fog]

Oh good more axes and autoguns in the shop

I haven't had an evi upgrade in 8 levels Q.Q

[silent dome]

why is there no stat screen at the end

[slow fog]

Oof pain. Even if I complete everything I can't afford this beaut

[shrewd pendant]

This is exactly why I refuse to spend any of my tokens unless I see the perfect weapon in that shop

Blessings > Rating/Stats

[hallow pebble]

nope thats backwards astros

you can change blessings cant change stats

[spare tangle]

They need to make Heresy and Damnation difficulty lvl 20 or 25+ because getting lvl 4s on heresy because they want the gold for completion is stupid

[shrewd pendant]

You can change them at a much larger cost than just having that one. He could easily have that weapon the rest of his Darktide career for Damnation easily

[hallow pebble]

That's not correct astro

You cant reroll the base power/bars

[coral tide]

yeah the sharpshooter penances will be a shit ton easier when my friends start playing the game and i dont have to depend on PUGs as much

[shrewd pendant]

If you compare 2 of the same exact weapon with just the rating differences, you will see that the damage difference is minimal

There's a reason people keep their 320 Boltgun with Pinning Strikes over a 400+ Boltgun without it

[supple lion]

The current contract
"excise vault spireside-13" Is bugged right now and preventing contract rerolls correct?

[keen cedar]

is rending on bolter good?

[split coral]

what are people using for psyker curios? Wounds are useless because grims do % HP loss and base toughness is so low that it feels useless

[shrewd pendant]

It's a good secondary but Pinning Strikes is a must for it basically

[keen cedar]

what does that do?

pinning strikmes

[shrewd pendant]

Increased damage by 17% if you stagger enemies, stacks 5 times.

[keen cedar]

😮

never seen that before

[peak crag]

What do the bars next to the skulls mean during mission select?

[shrewd pendant]

Yea you'll get people swearing up and down about item ratings but a boltgun with pinning strikes will outdamage anything without pinning strikes. It's fairly common to find that blessing tbh

[keen cedar]

ive never seen that perk in my life

[shrewd pendant]

Difficulty, 1-5.

[peak crag]

Gotcha, ty! Is there a general way to gauge what level is recommended by these bars?

[shrewd pendant]

Generally people prefer lvl10 or 15 minimum for difficulty 3, lvl30s for 4, and wrinkly brain for 5

[peak crag]

cool ty!

[keen cedar]

whats the diffrence with scab and dreg?

[uncut verge]

are heavy swords any good? Talking low level priest, options are limited

Currently using an Mk V axe

[rigid wasp]

having to think to play at the highest 😭

[uncut verge]

Dregs are the guys in Yellow IIRC

[shrewd pendant]

You're gonna have to pay the tax and buy 1 of each weapon in the shop and try them out in the training. You will be broke but it's super worth it to see what you like

[blazing kiln]

which mission has the most dregs?

[rigid wasp]

@uncut verge this is ong church. i had no idea i'd like the shield until i started beating heretics with it

[uncut verge]

Enemy placement is random per run up to the Director AFAIK

[slow fog]

Axes are good even endgame, don't think I've seen anyone using heavy sword

[blazing kiln]

Theres some missions i notice where they spawn less, like one i could get a few hundred and then others i didnt see a single one the whole mission. If the director spawned everything in every mission, there wouldnt be 0 in some

[uncut verge]

Yeah, I looked at the option again and I think the rolls I have available are just bad anyways. The blue I have that's a rating upgrade has a shit damage stat roll (the perk and trait are fine tho). The green is a downgrade in rating and ok on the rolls but defense (mobility) is low

[torn isle]

is this a waste? low dmg roll 😦

[uncut verge]

Director is random so it could, though it's possible there's enemy type weighting based on zone someone would need to mine it, though I think the logic is server side, or take a huge amount of sourced data to draw a pattern

[rigid wasp]

at what level do these yellows start to spawn

[torn isle]

im 28

[rigid wasp]

sweet only 16 to go

[spare tangle]

yeah that one is weak as hell. my force sword almost has max dmg lol

[shrewd pendant]

Just worry about finding either the increased damage on cleave or increased damage on kill blessings and you're good

[thorny vapor]

I need help I'm still struggling with deadeye penance. Do I need to kill 5 enemies with head shots in one single volley?

[heavy shuttle]

Yes, having refresh from final tier of feats helps.

Has to be weak point kills iirc

[spare tangle]

thats one of the easier penances just need to be 30 to get it done easy

[odd brook]

Just checking but when do Bolters start spawning in the shop for Veterans?

[thorny vapor]

I got mine at 26

[heavy shuttle]

Mine dropped at 25

[spare tangle]

25+

[odd brook]

Got it, 3 levels to go then

[cursive citrus]

bolters are like level 18 or so. Might be early as 14 now with the patch

[shrewd pendant]

I didn't find my first bolter or power sword until after lvl 30 so don't be surprised if they just never show up

[odd brook]

Well I've been unlucky then because I haven't seen one of either yet 😄

[copper idol]

i unlocked the ability to buy them at 14 on my sharpshooter today. it appears they lowered the requirements

[odd brook]

Oooo

[warped talon]

They did yea. Probably for the best. The grind was pretty brutal before. Now it feels more in line with what you might hope for

[shrewd pendant]

What guns do you veterans prefer that isn't Boltgun?

[spare tangle]

Boltguns are the only way

[heavy shuttle]

Kantrael MG XII is bae

[warped talon]

Kantrael MG XII is a mainstay
Accatran Ib
Shotgun is excellent
Plasma gun is ok
But really the Bolter is the best

[shrewd pendant]

What level are you?

[heavy shuttle]

Unless plasma got a buff recently... I've heard alot of pain and hate.

[shrewd pendant]

They should've given the plasma to a different class, doesn't make any sense to use that on a vet

[warped talon]

Its definitely kinda mediocre. It needs an ADS with charge on hold LMB to fix it. But its fun!

[warped talon]

Yes it does. its in the fluff my guy.

[vale hound]

Plasma Guns are in the Imperial Guardsman model kit.

[heavy shuttle]

Flamers when 😦

[shrewd pendant]

Yea everyone knows how it works, you're going to spend way too long rerolling blessings trying to get the perfect one and then when it upgrades from purple to gold it's gonna low roll and you gotta start again. The important thing is damage breakpoints and the blessings will give you the biggest increase to let you clear damnation easily. What more do you want than that? Compare the effort, not just the stats

[vale hound]

Is there a proper place I can look for help with the psyker penance where you toss folks off a ledge?

[naive flame]

I mean, who else would use a plasma gun? Veteran guardsmen are literally the only ones who get one in the lore.

[spiral goblet]

Melta* when

[warped talon]

Specialist subclass. Along with grenade launchers I bet.

[spiral goblet]

I mean zealots already have flamers

[heavy shuttle]

Commissar class too, with dual wield boltpistol and sword

[shrewd pendant]

What is the veteran's role in the tabletop game with the plasma gun?

[heavy shuttle]

roll a nat 1 and explode

[regal agate]

anyone else find themselves exploding immediately on peril overcharge? 99% of the time i have the hands to use the ult but occasionally i'll just die immediately

[warped talon]

Shooting heavy infantry and light /medium vehicles.

[naive flame]

Special weapon squads, they kill space marines with them.

Or light vehicles

[shrewd pendant]

See that makes sense meanwhile in this game you gotta shoot light gunners in the back

[spiral goblet]

Time to put a fist sized hole through the chest of a daemon.

[shrewd pendant]

Interesting, so upgrading it up a tier is something you mostly just care about rating and pray the blessing is good but not a big deal if its not

[uncut verge]

I think stats are going to be static once rolled

but time will tell

bar stats, not perk/trait % rolls

Note you need to acquire the blessings you want on weapons to sacrifice to scavenge the blessings from

[heavy shuttle]

Who told you that?

[uncut verge]

It's descrived in the blog just shared

[vale hound]

White Items roll better stats in general because they don't spend rating on Blessings and Perks. So if you're after a perfect item I imagine you'll wait to roll a strong basic item. Then gather up the best blessings from other items. Concecrate the basic item up to Gold rarity, then attach the blessings and perks you want.

[versed plover]

Does the default force sword get buffed also from psykinetic's wrath talent? (increased damage with force weapons based on peril)? or just the obvious "force" attacks?

[heavy shuttle]

Teasing ya from our convo earlier 🙂

[uncut verge]

Right, see the blessing you want on a blue, buy it and scrap it for the votive to use on a weapon you want to put it on

[keen cedar]

wait power is damage?

[shrewd pendant]

Has anyone lost all their dockets before? After a mission earlier today it cleared my whole bank account and I lost over 150k

[silent dome]

hey does anyone know if the "On Overwatch" exploit still works

[keen cedar]

whats that?

[uncut verge]

Quit before end and rejoin

[real plume]

How do I get weapons with a better rating after level 30 though?
Someone mentioned the max is supposedly 600, with a rating of 400 being the max for grey weapons

[silent dome]

the penance for completing a mission on malice without taking melee damage

[uncut verge]

No, Power Rating is just the number of points to be allocated on the 5 stat bars (& +stam?) and then each perk/trait has a rating cost associated with it too (so a grey and a green with same rating the grey will have better stats)

[bleak cedar]

is there a bug around upgrading thunder hammer?

[heavy shuttle]

Yes

[hexed rivet]

what is the best thing to use for the dead-eye penance (headshot five enemies during single volley fire)? its the only armor penance I have left but I keep getting 4/5 kills

[heavy shuttle]

Try it with the Kantrael MG 12

[shrewd pendant]

Be lvl 30 and use a gun with a scope and get a zealot on your team to throw a flash grenade on a group of ranged enemies

[heavy shuttle]

Oh thats smart.

[hexed rivet]

this kantrael?

[heavy shuttle]

Didnt think of using the stun grenade

[hexed rivet]

also @shrewd pendant thats an amazing tip thank you

[silent dome]

best weapon for veteran

point and click adventure

[hexed rivet]

I've been having fun with the helbore

[silent dome]

is that the charge lasgun

[hexed rivet]

I can 2 shot maulers and three shot crushers with it

yeah

[silent dome]

it'd be cool but if you tap fire it half the shots dont even register visually

[upper jacinth]

Is Darktide working?

[silent dome]

no

[heavy shuttle]

For me it is.

[hexed rivet]

its working for me too

[heavy shuttle]

Thats the sweeping bayonet attack iirc

[upper jacinth]

im getting a error

[heavy shuttle]

2007?

[terse pond]

what is the difference between the helbore models? I know the mk3 has a different bayonet attack. The mk1 feels best to me but I have a good one

[hexed rivet]

Mark 3 for what I've seen charges so slow but does big damage

[terse pond]

I haven’t noticed a super significant difference between them

[next lantern]

can the chainsaw blade do anything about armor?

[heavy shuttle]

I think 1 and 2 are similiar, 3 is different because its bayonet quick attack is a sweeping strike

[hexed rivet]

Havent gotten a mark 2 yet but I dont remember liking 1

[upper jacinth]

thats a good which are better? like is combat axe 8 better then 1?

[warped talon]

MK2 has the triangular stab bayonet and has the faster shooting, less damage, type fire pattern i think. Which is my preference for a lasgun. My job is mostly enemy shooters, not enemy elites. But occasionally I need pen. aaand that's why I ended up going boltgun

[lucid arrow]

What difficulty did you do the 2 shotting of mauler and 3 shot the crusher?

[warped talon]

It works OK. Try it on the range.

[terse pond]

breakpoints will be really defined when it comes to people pushing the weapons to their limits right, but from what I’ve played it feels like the one can do what I need it to

[heavy shuttle]

Numbers for weapon types just signify different model of weapon and what it does.

[hexed rivet]

heresy @lucid arrow

[upper jacinth]

so number not about quality

[hexed rivet]

my biggest problem with the helbore is the moment you are suppressed you get fucked

[heavy shuttle]

Correct. At least in the 'name' of the weapon

[rich smelt]

Is this one worth to buy or wait to get a better one?

[upper jacinth]

So I jus look at the stats

[heavy shuttle]

Hrm... I'd look for a 'cleave' perk attached to that.

[warped talon]

Number is a "pattern" number.

• Weapon Type (Lucius, Kantrael etc)
• Weapon Pattern (Mk 1, 2 ,3 or MG IV, VI, XII)
  A pattern can dramatically change the way a weapon that looks the same handles

[heavy shuttle]

Well theres a video thats been shared in this channel a boatload. It explains alot.

[upper jacinth]

That not confusing lol

[terse pond]

another weapon in curious about is the recon las, I played with one earlier, and man it was an experience. Haven’t gotten my hands on any other models yet though. What are the differences in class with the recon series?

[upper jacinth]

i seen how sttats work

[shrewd pendant]

Is there a list of all possible blessings and perks a weapon can have?

[heavy shuttle]

Its an automatic las gun.

[terse pond]

it sure is

vomits light

[upper jacinth]

bolters amazing for zealot

[terse pond]

I meant like the different models of recon las

i got the earliest one

[heavy shuttle]

That ammo drain though.

[upper jacinth]

wish bolter has holo sight wish you ccan out sites on

[chrome scroll]

Does anybody know if or how I can break the rating of 400 in the shop?

[heavy shuttle]

Bolter is OP enough. Its very likely getting nerfed hard.

[minor axle]

Higher Burn or Higher Damage for the flamer?

[upper jacinth]

i hope not for zealot

[lavish shard]

^^^

[heavy shuttle]

You can. Depends on your loadout rating divided by... 5?

[heavy shuttle]

Bolter is really only viable at diff 4+ with the vet. Otherwise the ammo drain is too much for the ammo pickups provided to the team.

[full loom]

Anyone know any tricks to get more fps? Running a 2070 super and a r7 2700. Got DLSS on and such, there's absolutely no difference between low settings and high everything

[cursive torrent]

ignore the number in the name. essentially meaningless and hard to remember every single one.

the weapons are color coded with the paint on them.

it its blue its a fast but light hitting version, if its green its middle of the road, and if its brown its a slower but heavy hitting version. all weapon categories that have multiple versions follow this pattern.

[lucid arrow]

given its reloading and ready time, the thing is almost harsh to use on high difficulty, the downtime between melee and range is too huge for a reload time. it takes literally 5-6 seconds for a reload.

you will be rushed at far too often to get that active without using sustaining fire on your last talent tree option

[tired halo]

yeah good question! also on accatran lasgun?

[upper jacinth]

if i can get darktide to work then ill do zealot challenge whoses in?

[heavy shuttle]

Meaningless? Umm... have to hard disagree. The MG 12 operates way differently than other models of the lasgun and vice versa.

[upper jacinth]

i never seen brown you mean yellow?

[cursive torrent]

not the rarity. the literal paint on the weapon

you see how one is brown and one is blue?

[upper jacinth]

if i can get darktide to work then ill do zealot challenge whoses in?

[chrome scroll]

Could you elaborate? I have a total of 1080 ( /5 = 216)

[heavy shuttle]

Works pretty good for me and alot of other vets. Almost essential to have one on a vet in the team.

[jagged vigil]

which voice would you recommend for female sharpshooter?

[coral tide]

how long is the timer on the vet's nad?

[upper jacinth]

i see

[keen cedar]

what level do you unock the thunder hammer?

for the zealot

[shrewd pendant]

We min-maxing voice lines now?

[cursive torrent]

its just an easier to remember way to know how a weapon be without memorizing the model number of all the weapons in the game

[upper jacinth]

i seen it 19 but 25 n

[heavy shuttle]

I think it was the total load out between weapons and curios divided by 5. It was mentioned by someone on here. You'd have to word search it

[keen cedar]

25?

[jagged vigil]

just wanted an opinion

[keen cedar]

so you get thunder hammer at 19?

[lucid arrow]

its a good weapon I agree, but its almost as worse as the plasma guns reload speed, whcih taken into affect, its 8 seconds of sheer anxiety without it up

[shrewd pendant]

lol

[upper jacinth]

yes my zealot 25 i have i seen it in the store at 19 tho

[lucid arrow]

almost, still think the plasma is a solid gun choice for specials

[heavy shuttle]

Until you go to talk about it, then you get asked the same question... "Which one is the yellow one?"

Thats not a thing.

[keen cedar]

@shrewd pendant what level do you get thunder hammar

[upper jacinth]

is you deaf?

[heavy shuttle]

If the bolter doesn't work for you, the Kantrael 12 is always a solid option. I just have certain reload feats added to compensate for the bolter's shortcomings. Allows me to delete heavy carapace at dif 4+ in seconds.

[cursive torrent]

reading comprehension. the numbers are meanignless in that they give you zero clues about how a weapon handles unless you already know what the numer corresponds to. the color of the weapons tells you far more. without already knowing, or testing it yourself, there is no way to know that the Mk12 is the DMR version of the lasrifle

[upper jacinth]

sometimes store is random

[lucid arrow]

its just the gun up time got me in stiches, also yes, I use a Kantrael 12 as my main weapon, I switch around if I have another vet with the same weapon

[heavy shuttle]

Im not sure how a color better corresponds to weapon abilities than a number...

[cursive torrent]

blue is fast. green is middle. brown is slow. how is that hard?

[potent epoch]

G'day to y'all! Thunder hammer still broken in crafting, or there was some patch for it?

[heavy shuttle]

Because that's not a thing. And if it is, you are literally the first person to ever use that (in this discord at least). But hey more power to you 🙂

[lucid arrow]

My Kantrael 12 is literally red, how fast is it>

[heavy shuttle]

Yeah I guess custom skins do throw a wrench in that idea

[heavy shuttle]

No patch from what I've heard 😦

[coral tide]

this is how far you have to be for long bomb, now to find a map with an open space the size of the meat grinder lol

[heavy shuttle]

Dont go into aim mode before you throw it, thats what helped me.

Otherwise you have to -fling- that shit.

[coral tide]

nah that fucks the timer all to hell i found

[upper jacinth]

JUS MAKE 1 THE BEST N VIII LEAST FATSHRK I got a 1 combat axe nicce bud like mines is VIII. How does that work with gun skins ?

[heavy shuttle]

Alrighty 🙂

[cursive torrent]

it is a thing. the blue headhunter for example is 3rd burst, the green one is middle of the line, and the brown one is heavy hitting.
same with lasrifles of all kinds. axes. swords are harder to tell because the blades are all steel colored, but they also follow this convention.

its very clearly an intentional choice by the devs to help player get a hint of how a wepaons might handle compared to others in its same category.

[lucid arrow]

here ya go

[heavy shuttle]

Orks think that gun goes faster!

[lucid arrow]

yes yes

[heavy shuttle]

[grand flint]

what level do i start seeing power swords

[cursive torrent]

about 20-25

[heavy shuttle]

I got mine around 25ish. But some folks have been saying that the new patch lowered the level requirements down to as low as 14ish.

[rigid wasp]

I hope they make Imperial Guard regiment dlc cosmetics

would love to see Maccabian Jans

[grand flint]

what classes can use them is it only psykers?

[heavy shuttle]

Vets can I know that for a fact. Not sure about others.

[cursive torrent]

vet only

[upper jacinth]

JUS MAKE 1 THE BEST N VIII LEAST FATSHRK "I got a 1 combat axe nicce bud like mines is VIII". How does that work with gun skins

[potent epoch]

Do not confuse Power sword and Force sword
||(How tf do you say it in English pls help)||

[cursive torrent]

zealot gets eviscerator/thunder hammer and psyker gets force sword. ogryn gets ogryn weapons

[heavy shuttle]

Pow-wah Cee-wwwaa-d

[upper jacinth]

oRGYN only 1 who doesnt share weapons

[keen cedar]

HAVe yopu not heard of orks

[lucid arrow]

cause its too damn big

[heavy shuttle]

Please see previous ork jokepost.

[grand flint]

is there somewhere i can look to see an explanation of what all the attack symbols mean like in the weapon info screen

i know which one is cleave but that's it

[upper jacinth]

Ogryn useing revolver xD pew pew pew

[lucid arrow]

How can his fingers even fit a revolvers trigger

[upper jacinth]

Orgyn Revolver send to fat shark duo rev

[rigid wasp]

when are the other game modes coming back out

[upper jacinth]

he uses a stick cx

[rigid wasp]

I want my vet helmet

[lucid arrow]

you can always buy it, the store gets helmets around level 20-25 I believe

[upper jacinth]

name your main now! Am I only one who plays all 4 classes?

[lucid arrow]

thou not sure, I earned mine

[rigid wasp]

You cant

[lucid arrow]

are they all level 30?

[rigid wasp]

My friend who is a max level vet but didn't have the helmet unlocked

Could not buy helmets

But his max level zealot with the helm unlocked could buy helmets

[heavy shuttle]

^ Can confirm

[lucid arrow]

ah I see, that makes more sense

[upper jacinth]

every class have a helmet to unlock. (zealot 25,SS 13,Psyker 10,Org 5)

[cursive torrent]

see... my hypothesis is even supported by canon! the concentration of psykers on the Mourningstar are creating a human ork-effect. psykers think blue is on average faster and more nimble because they are smart and fast and use blue magic. brown is a crude and rude color, making brown guns go slower. green is just the "normal" color of imperium equipment, so its normal.

[heavy shuttle]

1 human thinking that way doesn't create waugh energy, sad to say.

[upper jacinth]

working on it tho

[cursive torrent]

there are thousands of psykers on the mourningstar, though

[rigid wasp]

is the vet helmet the only one that you can't get rn tho?

[upper jacinth]

I don't like being a one trick pony I play alot of horde games you can say I m a die hard zealot of 1st/3rd person horde games

[heavy shuttle]

Pretty sure the rest of them are calling the weapons by their names and not colors.

Okay, I'll quit xD

[cursive torrent]

its subconscious

duh

[lucid arrow]

Day 1 disruption mission I did, than gotten around to doing the missing two missions a finish, espionage and investigation, I have done all the penaces required for the first helmet, the 2nd however, requires a new type of mission to be done on malice.

I have done the current all on heresy and malice. just need 1 more to get my 2nd helmet

[heavy shuttle]

A couple of days ago, the necessary missions were up. Now they're off the market. Can't get the 2nd one, myself.... Until they release those maps into general pop.

[rigid wasp]

nah not all of them

Uprising has been bugged out of rotation since the 2nd day of this beta

[lucid arrow]

like god damn, look at that thing

[heavy shuttle]

For the first helm, they were up.

[rigid wasp]

first helm?

did they add more penances

and I haven't checked yet

[heavy shuttle]

There is On Target 1 and 2 ( and 3?)

[rigid wasp]

You can't do 2 until you do 1 tho

right?

[upper jacinth]

Im a solo player so grinding is a bitch with randoms but Im trying do that mission on heresy with zealot with one wound left and mutant 1

[heavy shuttle]

Three gives out that sweet half gasmask half helmet we saw in the mark ups, somebody was saying on here not too long ago

[lucid arrow]

Oh I know a guy who did that mission on heresy/damnation to get the acheivement I think your talking about

[upper jacinth]

someone said i can cheese it heresy 1

[rigid wasp]

cheese what?

[upper jacinth]

i need help my friend said you can glitch it

[lucid arrow]

ahh I see

[upper jacinth]

the body for zealot where you have todo zealot on heresy in ten mins with 2 wounds my friend all said sharpshooters ones are easy like 100% accuracy on heresy you can glitch it

[somber pewter]

true

[upper jacinth]

im thinking of switching jus do vet

[somber pewter]

i would before they patch it

it aint fun trying ti do them for real

[upper jacinth]

try playing zealot xD

[somber pewter]

trying to do cliff hanger right now and it aint fun

[rain dew]

how important is the penetration stat on eviscerator

[somber pewter]

does cliff hanger have to be with the F ability?

or can i do it with push from las pistol too?

[hidden burrow]

anyone wanna help me get "gone bowling"? its so hard

[barren geode]

afaik u can do it with either. best map for it would be the chasm map, for the ammo mission. there's a small bridge there where u can wait for a horde to spawn and press f. best if you can get in a group so everyone knows what youre trying to accomplish. theres a vid on youtube showing how to get it

[grand flint]

consecrating just adds random perks it doesnt increase any stats at all?

[rigid wasp]

I stg any time I try to praise this game it instantly shits on me

[stone wing]

nope just adds perks and blessings, the stat increase comes fro mthose

[rich smelt]

I did that map twice and I don't even remember

[stone wing]

it's still to be decided if the total weapon rating scales your total damage output, I forgot to do the test when I consecrated some stuff

but the stats in the bars themselves do not change

[grand flint]

has there been any word of some way in the future to transfer items between characters

getting a really nice lasgun in the shop feels like total ass when im on my zealot

[stone wing]

oh don't worry

I got a 353 gray MG XII on my zealot lmao

[random cape]

chainaxe any good?

[weary sapphire]

I don't want to play heresy 4 on endless horde anymore bros

The endless horde bug is so fucking trash

[somber pewter]

i cant wait for private lobbies

so i can do challenges easier

getting randos to not kill hordes is like wrangling toddlers

[rigid wasp]

What’s the bug?

[weary sapphire]

Normal h4 missions are bugged to always have horde

[rigid wasp]

That’s not good, so people just do 3 or 5?

Because 4 is bugged?

[upper jacinth]

on zealot yea

[weary sapphire]

I think 5 is bugged too

But 4 is extremely frustrating bc 3 is too easy for me

[rigid wasp]

I hope 5 isn’t bugged

[sharp locust]

Anyone here would be down to help me with malleus monstrorum?

[green hound]

Saw this in the req shop, should I buy it?

Also, are burn stacks based of the alpha dmg? Or a set dmg per stack?

[upper jacinth]

abhor the mutant n praise emperor only ones i have left to get the helmet

for zealot

[tight cedar]

if you like the helbore then thats a pretty nice one

[cedar inlet]

What are people running for vet melee?
This is some elementary thinking but...
Vet guns are all effective against specials.
Even the autopistol/autogun are mediocre against hordes. Guns are not for hordes.
There isn't any feasible reason to run melee that aren't CC as vet.
This leaves us with shovel, sword, combat blade, devil claw, power sword.
Shovel melee is a useless stab. Devil claw counter is moderately useless against crowds. Haven't seen the combat blade, and am only 15 so haven't seen powersword.

What are people running? Anything not CC seems useless of vet, and all the weapon specials I have seen so far have been sort of dogwater.

[tiny flicker]

whats the best eviscerator modifier

[rigid wasp]

Power sword, that’s what I was told

[upper jacinth]

Bolter amazing for hordes I use for zealot tho

[heavy shuttle]

Power sword is your best bet.

[tiny flicker]

do they have a list of modifiers btw

[tired crown]

I believe power sword is the meta. It is, in my opinion, the best melee weapon I've found.

[rigid wasp]

Power sword is apparently stupid op on the vet

[stone wing]

people seem to agree on the powersword
others like the devil's claw

[cedar inlet]

Power sword makes sense, I just haven't hit 18 yet.

[tight cedar]

power sword is probably the best melee weapon in the game, infinite cleave with insane damage and cuts through even carapace armour

[heavy shuttle]

It is. Its going to get nerfed.

[cedar inlet]

I like devils claw, the counter is nice, but imo stagger arc doesn't really validate using it over push heavy heavy

[tired crown]

They do, here it is: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/lasgun-infantry/kantrael-mg-xii-infantry-lasgun

[tiny flicker]

thanks

appreciate it

[cedar inlet]

feel validated in everything else I said though

[upper jacinth]

have fun in vet lobbys i seen more vets here then i saw at the vet parade

[rigid wasp]

Still probably gonna be good

[cedar inlet]

Are there a ton of those? Just swtiched off zealout since I felt like I only ever saw zealouts and ogryn

[tight cedar]

braced autogun is insanely good for hordes but sucks at trying to do the vets job of killing the ranged enemies

[tired crown]

@heavy shuttle is this comment from a place of knowing? Because you're breaking my heart

[heavy shuttle]

same as bolter nerf probably. Minus'd a few things but still BiS

[somber pewter]

i did it

i got cliff woo

[cedar inlet]

braced autgun is solid for hordes, but with ammo it still seems like a bad play as opposed to melee CC and keeping gun for specials and other ranged

[rigid wasp]

Bolter is gonna be nerfed? I thought it was good yeah but really slow

[tight cedar]

bolter is good for hordes but lacks the ammo efficiency and speed to take out the hordes of ranged enemies on difficulty 4+

[rigid wasp]

I didn’t think it was gonna get a nerf

[somber pewter]

Braced auto guns is one of my favorite

[upper jacinth]

Heres most popular I seen in higher play (VET,zEALOT,PSYKER ORGYN)

[tiny flicker]

Does anyone have perfect strike, what does Ignore Hit Mass mean?

[real portal]

Is this worth it? came at the shop...

[heavy shuttle]

Its what FS did to the bolter. But honestly having one weapon that is hands down no contest the best in its slot shouldnt be a thing in this game.

[tired crown]

It won't stop because it ran out of cleave, it keeps going through more enemies.

[tired crown]

I agree but it still makes me sad. Bolter is my safe space, without it I am nothing. Without me, it is nothing.

[jagged vigil]

how does Run'n'gun works with the staff?

[upper jacinth]

bolters dps great but sway is awful

[slow fog]

Honestly probably not run n gun isn't very useful

[real portal]

dunno I dont give a f about run n gun.....

that sucked

[heavy shuttle]

Bolter is for elites/specials/carapace
using it for horde will leave you with an empty gun or an angry team at the ammo hog

[real portal]

but you should be able to change the blessing

[heavy shuttle]

Kantreal XII my friend!

[rigid wasp]

Bolter and power sword seems like a fun combo, but leaves you open to ranged weapons, especially snipers

[stone wing]

I imagine the bolter nerf will be an even further reduction in ammo honestly

[blissful python]

Is the deadeye penance bugged right now using counter fire?

[upper jacinth]

depends but i always give ammo to teammates as zealot i disagree

[tiny flicker]

bolter feels fine

[stone wing]

this post brought to you by the guy with the limewire logo as his pfp lmao

[rigid wasp]

I do like lasguns so it’ll be my backup if bolter is nerfed

[heavy shuttle]

If you aim at the same spot with your screen, regardless of what the gun frame is doing... it'll shoot in the same place.

[rigid wasp]

Along with plasma gun

Plasma gun my beloved

[upper jacinth]

i ise a controller maybe

[tight cedar]

plasma gun is redundant with the bolter around sadly

[heavy shuttle]

bolters one shot snipers in dif 4

[rigid wasp]

No way, that’s insane

[rigid wasp]

I will still use it

Plasma is my friend

[covert thistle]

So for vantage point what does it by “each type”? Does that include special conditions that are added to said mission?

[upper jacinth]

it has 15 in mag no way

[tight cedar]

the plasma looks and feels amazing its performance just kinda sucks

[rigid wasp]

I love being a psyker as vet, and instead of brain blasting myself, I melt my very body

[tight cedar]

lul

[blissful python]

No just the base mission types, repair, strike etc. Disrupt isnt in the rotation atm unless you did it day 1

[upper jacinth]

ttyl m gonna play darktide

[rigid wasp]

They need to let you overcharge the plasma gun to let it shoot a bigger explosive shot thus making it a slow but heavier hitting aoe weapon, where a flamer would be a weaker but faster hitting aoeweapon

[stone wing]

overcharge plasma gun
down entire team because it explodes

[heavy shuttle]

they need to do something with it because right now it needs to go in the trash can

[rigid wasp]

Overcharging plasma is just instant death

I feel like a mini overcharge that can hurt you, but still do splash damage and break armor would be cool

Instead of a full overcharge

[tight cedar]

they should give it splash and more damage on charged then give uncharged more pen

[rigid wasp]

Splash is 100% something I want plasma to have

[tight cedar]

yeah it needs it

[rigid wasp]

Today I learned that plasma uses “ammo” though

[tight cedar]

fully charged doesnt do enough damage to warrant taking over the bolter plus it has no aoe so its worse at hordes than the bolter too

[rigid wasp]

Hydrogen flasks

[heavy shuttle]

The plasma should be what the bolter is right now, but with all the risk of blowing yourself up to punish lack of skill

[covert thistle]

Well that sucks, thx anyway. Guess I ain’t getting the helmet anytime soon and I’m at 6/7

[rigid wasp]

If you overcharge with the meter being too high

It would require you to know the limits of when to and not to overcharge

What is the best way to level up

And when to use shots normally

[blissful python]

Pretty sure the game launches in like 4 days so you will lol

[heavy shuttle]

Yeah make op guns less op in the hands of novices

[rigid wasp]

Higher level missions or spamming out lower level ones which one gives the best xp

It will involve more risk / reward

[blissful python]

and you can always work on other pennances since the higher tier helmets will need the other pennances

[heavy shuttle]

spamming lower levels from my experience

[blissful python]

pretty sure someone posted vantage point 2 and 3

[rigid wasp]

And skillful players at higher ranks can use plasma guns more efficiently without blowing themselves up, like a psyker

[blissful python]

and it needed quite a bit

[rigid wasp]

But instead having splash damage too

It’ll be a good weapon if you like the risk

And can master it’s qualities

But you still have old reliable boltgun, lasguns and such

[covert thistle]

Right, the head is all I need left to complete my Veteran drip.

[rigid wasp]

In case you don’t wanna accidentally ruin the run

[heavy shuttle]

And bolters need their full auto removed because thats... too powerful

and get the mg 12 a zoomable scope, damn it

[rigid wasp]

I mean… in lore they’re full auto, so I don’t think it’d be good fluff wise

[blissful python]

I still havent done dead eye, I don't know if it's bugged or what

but I refresh my volley fire but that doesn't count I think?

[tight cedar]

full auto bolter is fine, its just too easy to use it pretty accurately in full auto

[rigid wasp]

I feel like they’ll limit it’s ammo capacity

[heavy shuttle]

Melting a crusher in dif 4 in 3seconds shouldnt really be a thing, solo. It doesnt even take up that much ammo.

[rigid wasp]

Maybe reduce damage?..

[covert thistle]

That’s what I’ve been thinking. Meanwhile I’m trying to figure out how one can complete “Make Every Shot Count”

[blissful python]

shotgun

and a good team.

[covert thistle]

Guess I’ll have to wait for armory rotation

[rigid wasp]

It’s very hard to balance a boltgun cause lorewise it’s really good

[blissful python]

also aim for a non-assasinate mission

with a extract end

ask your team to let you just empty clip then

it's lowkey sandbagging

[rigid wasp]

And keeping it with lore, while also making sure it’s not stupidly overpowered

[heavy shuttle]

game balance vs lore. Id rather go for balance.

[rigid wasp]

I’d rather go for lore because it’s the personality of the gun, stripping it of it’s personality for game balance will make the gun unfun and not played, especially since it’s an iconic gun

I want it to be a fun gun to play while also being a balanced gun, I don’t want its personality removed for the sake of balance

I feel it’ll ruin it for some people, and detract them from playing if they outright ruin the boltgun, because it’s a boltgun

[heavy shuttle]

I dont think you can remove a bolter's personality when you pull a trigger and the thing goes "WHOMP"

[rigid wasp]

And that’s what a boltgun is good at, hold the trigger and make things go whomp

But to balance that without stripping that aspect away

[heavy shuttle]

But it does need balancing out.

[rigid wasp]

Is a but weird

[bold bronze]

For Psyker's level 5 talents, the "gain 10% toughness from a Warp attack", is a warp attack 'any attack that uses peril' or are there specific attacks that it is requiring?

[tight cedar]

hitting the bolters damage is probably the only thing you can do with it tbh

[rigid wasp]

Because if it’s not good at whomping things like a boltgun do, then it’s not a boltgun

[tight cedar]

its already unwieldy with poor ammo

[rigid wasp]

But if it’s too good at whomping things, it makes the game under balanced

[heavy shuttle]

Im afraid you are probably right

[tight cedar]

it already has every downside to a powerful gun, the only thing left is to make it a bit less powerful

[rigid wasp]

It maybe the only solution, but we don’t know unless FS tries

I just hope they don’t go down the easy route and butcher the boltgun

Because it’s meant to feel empowering but slow

[bold bronze]

Or make it harder to hit with....its got some decently high recoil in full auto-but I bet they could make it higher

[stone wing]

boltgun locked at 1% mobility

ez nerf

[rigid wasp]

Lmao

[rigid wasp]

It’s just recoil isn’t how you think it is

[tight cedar]

i personally dont run it because it lacks the all rounded-ness you need for difficulty 4 with randoms

[rigid wasp]

It’s already a .60 caliber gun, I don’t think it should recoil more than it already does

[tight cedar]

killing a crusher is nice and all but i can already cut it in half with my power sword along with the horde surrounding it

[rigid wasp]

And that’s a fair point

[bold bronze]

Reread that again.....you realize what a .50 caliber gun does to normal humans right?

[rigid wasp]

And a .60 caliber full auto doesn’t just make your gun go straight up

It has recoil, yes, but not that much

We have to keep the real world in mind too, accuracy to if it existed

And a .60 caliber doesn’t have that hugely horrible recoil to it

[bold bronze]

I never did hear from anyone---any clue what counts as "warp attacks' for the level 5 talent on Psyker?

[rigid wasp]

Your brain blast and warp stave ability

Anything that causes magic powers to flow from your body

So the staves powers and your basic blast

[tight cedar]

basically anything psyker related it seems

[bold bronze]

Got it, kinda figured but I wasn't certain.

[rigid wasp]

I don’t think the force sword activated ability counts

If it does then someone correct me

[bold bronze]

Makes that the easiest level 5 to activate no?

[lime imp]

quelling one is

[proud bluff]

are there some mission types unavailable rn?

[lime imp]

yes

[rigid wasp]

It’s very easy with how much warp attacks you can do

[proud bluff]

2 types yeah?

cause i wanted the helmet:(

[lime imp]

i couldnt tell you

[proud bluff]

sadge

[lime imp]

but they cycle in and out

over the days

[proud bluff]

what are all the diff missions?

[rigid wasp]

raid assasinate repair strike investigate

uprising and another are not in the game rn because of bugs

[silent dome]

does upgrading an item in the foundry increase its stats

[proud bluff]

thank you

[tired crown]

The disruption mission type was only on the dust map, available for the first day of the beta then removed from rotation due to bugs (so I hear)

[proud bluff]

coolio, thank you

[rigid wasp]

Disruption isn't the only non-available mission

2 of the 7 are not around disruption and some other one

no clue what the name of it is because I haven't seen it all week obv

[vast lotus]

I believe its called espionage, if the penances are anything to go by

[stone wing]

no

[silent dome]

oof

it gets a higher item rating tho

[stone wing]

it increases the rating yes, but not the stats

[silent dome]

man thats misleading

[stone wing]

that extra rating is from the perks and blessings

[silent dome]

I wish they'd just give hard stats and not this 'item rating' 'item power' stuff I thought theyd learn this by now

[stone wing]

well with the way the stats system is set up
bars are the only real way they could have done it

I do agree they could at least give % values instead of bars

[silent dome]

why not have bars... AND hard stats???

[stone wing]

because the bars aren't just 1 stat each

[silent dome]

damage per bullet, rate of fire, damage drop off, if the weapon takes more than one ammunition per shot

[stone wing]

a single bar controls several sub stats

the bar itself is just showing you what range all of those sub stats are at within their own individual ranges

[tired crown]

Plus if the damage bar for a 350 weapon is 15% higher than a 400 level weapon, which is better?

[silent dome]

yea show the bars then have a button "expand" to show the hard stats

[tired crown]

Does power linearly scale with power level?

Also @heavy shuttle do you just not sleep?

[tight cedar]

the higher damage bar nearly always does more damage

i think the item level just dictates how high the bars can roll

[heavy shuttle]

Im on leave/vacation 🤠

[tired crown]

The only way to know for sure is to buy it and test it out. And now that we can upgrade rarity + power level, it adds another level of complication to the process in trying to find the highest level white/green items with good stats too

[tired crown]

Oh very cool! We've actually got a baby sitter tonight so it's drinks and horrible karaoke, otherwise I'd be on darktide

[tight cedar]

i tested my old 280 accatran vs a 410 accatran and there was very little difference in damage

[tired crown]

That's incredible, thanks for the heads up @tight cedar . I've been meaning to test vastly different power level items with similar stats to compare

..but my psyker is so close to 30 I haven't been able to ^ ^

Hopefully when they redo the UI after launch we get less obfuscated numbers, I need real numbers!

[tight cedar]

aye

no idea how they thought it'd be ok to just have bars in the first place

[tired crown]

I'll pay good money for real numbers, I played eve online for years. Numbers are life.

[tight cedar]

but at least they're doing something

[tired crown]

Yeah, I agree.

They get an <----x--> for effort.

[tight cedar]

lul

[tired crown]

Now you've got me thinking that I need to try out some different weapons. I thought the power rating made a significant difference.

[rigid wasp]

Would anyone happen to know if mission types are locked to certian difficulties? I have been trying to get Sharpshooters 'Vantage Point' and usually run malice on quickplay but still missing one last mission type and unsure on what it is or how to get it

The sway your weapon gains when being shot at by enemy range

[uncut verge]

They will.... there's an update coming for that

[tight cedar]

higher rating tends to mean better bars but that doesnt mean you get a high roll on a bar that matters

[uncut verge]

Yeah, and DMG stat is the most important generally

[stone wing]

alright gamers I am once again asking for your data

what is the highest rated gray weapon you have seen
screenshots would be appreciated if above 360

[tight cedar]

i've seen 380/390

[stone wing]

do you have any screenshots
I"m assuming no

[tight cedar]

but i see greens far more than grays

gonna check my shop now

[uncut verge]

What is the highest rating you've seen on Green?

[tight cedar]

ive seen 400 greens

[uncut verge]

Because a trait only adds 10 points apparently

[stone wing]

10-25

[uncut verge]

how much per blessing then?

[stone wing]

25-55

[uncut verge]

oh shit

so an orange has up to 185 points in traits and blessings

[stone wing]

do that math again lmao

[ancient thicket]

When abouts does the chainsword unlock for the veteran?

[uncut verge]

55 x2 + 25 x3

110 + 75

What am I missing?

[stone wing]

weapons only get 2 perks

[uncut verge]

3 and 2

2x55

[stone wing]

they only get 2 blessings

2x55 + 2x25

there is no 3

[uncut verge]

oh

[dark spindle]

any idea what rending does?

[uncut verge]

VT stuck in my head, it's 3 there right?

[stone wing]

green adds perk
blue adds blessing
purp adds perk
yellow adds blessing

[uncut verge]

ok so still a 400 green is potentially worth a 535 orange

[stone wing]

tier 1 perk is 10 points
each tier above adds 5
perks have 4 tiers

tier 1 blessing is 25 points
each tier above adds 10
blessings have 4 tiers

supposedly

[uncut verge]

There a list of what perks and blessings are what tier?

[stone wing]

not that I know of but probably

[uncut verge]

probably not yet lol

but will be

[tight cedar]

has anyone seen anything 500+?

[stone wing]

I've seen yellows over 500

[tight cedar]

so cap is probably 550/600 then

cant see it going above 600

[stone wing]

yellow cap is likely 560

as gray cap is likely 400

[tight cedar]

interesting

[stone wing]

if we ever see reds they'd bring it to 600

that gray cap of 400 is why I keep asking for the highest gray anyone has seen

because I want proof of them over 360
but no one has provided screenshots

[uncut verge]

So with Blessings, you can replace a blessing with one you salvaged from another weapon... according to that blog

in effect you can raise the rating level by replacing a T1 blessing with a T4 blessing

[tight cedar]

i cant imagine anyone is particularly interested in screenshotting common rarity guns

[uncut verge]

Wonder if that shows on the weapon rating stat when you do it... would hope so

Also wonder how perk rerolling/replacing works

Also means, lookout for the blessings you want in the store so you can scrap em for crafting your perfect weapon later

[fluid magnet]

Question: How can I start a level without joining into someone else's run?

[sturdy sandal]

my eviscerator can't 2 revved charge attack Mauler in Damnation at max zealot dmg buff stacks, my min-maxing head is receding

[fluid magnet]

I noticed that whenever I jump in, it's usually in the middle of the level

[sturdy sandal]

I just need to find another with SLIGHTLY more dmg

just ever so slightly

[uncut verge]

Are you QuickPlaying or selecting a mission?

Either way, if there's a round of that in progress, you'll join that instead of starting a new server

but Quick Play is almost guaranteed filling in

[sturdy sandal]

there's no option to start your own mission right now, only praying that the mission you choose doesnt have an ongoing match

[fluid magnet]

Either actually