gameplay-help

[normal tendon]

They definitely hurt them but Ogryn armor is super high grade due to them being able to carry the weight and their bones and hide are strong as fuck .

But they still are flesh at the end of the day.

[proven escarp]

the fuck does anyone care if youre a woman, man, both, have scarred faces, have mental disabilities (but can still play), race, sexual orientation, etc?

Youre there to play a game and have fun. My only rule would be if you are trans tell me what pronoun you want and ill do my best and will get it by the end of the game. Whats under your clothes or what you do in your bedroom aint my business. Killing your models and rolling dice are.

Sorry people be dicks. Probably why theres low amount of women in the game. My wife paints and can play small games for fun, but she wont play others maybe for this kinda reason

[pulsar tundra]

I'll upick as i seee fit thank you

[slow fog]

Engine has magic machine spirit in it - there ya go

[coral tide]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Flak_armour
basically 40k flak armor is just ballistic nylon like a nam era flak vest was

[lilac talon]

So the talent for Vet that designates all shooters as Priority Targets doesnt refresh Volley's timer? Just making sure since Id think thatd be lumped into the talent or not

[uncut verge]

https://tenor.com/view/magical-magic-gif-13543499

[heavy shuttle]

Its a known bug

[lilac talon]

I getcha

[heavy shuttle]

I was pissed too

[lilac talon]

The recon lazgun build will have to wait for another day 😔

[spiral thorn]

That flesh is still tougher then a marine, and when we consider what a marine is capable of surviving even unarmoured, im not sure 300 health is sufficient lol

[quasi blaze]

Is Vantage Point (2) Currently uncompletable ? since I'm on 5/7 missions I already have the basic helmet but I want the facemask version

[slow fog]

Missions are on rotation guys

They will come back

[exotic glacier]

Well I got the stunning penance no thanks to any of you lot. Although thanks for being smartasses guys, very easy to figure out who to not to talk too ever 🙂

[blissful python]

Is it time bolter bros? Do I pull the trigger on this?

[quasi blaze]

What's the rotation time on them or is this knowledge known only to Fatshark

[heavy shuttle]

Shop reset

[pulsar tundra]

While we are on the subject - why do botlers have recoil? They have a small charge to detonate, which fires their self-propellent fuel. the only recoil would come from that small conventional charge, even if that charge was large, bolters should largely be recoilless...

[heavy shuttle]

Kantrael MG Ia any good?

[quasi blaze]

Because that initial charge is quiet a kick for a standard human

[uncut verge]

Continuous fire isn’t the best trait for bolter. Pinning fire is the best though.

[slow fog]

I wouldn't 100% count on a specific mission type turning back up until release, generally they are changing things around every day

[shrewd pendant]

that's literally what im waiting for to show up in my shop before i buy anything

[pulsar tundra]

they don't need to be though, hell you don't even need the the initial primer - electronic firing for caseless ammo is a thing

[signal cipher]

Yes but like, fuck you let me roleplay, let me be a nerd

[pulsar tundra]

honestly - not having the recoil would explain the hyper accuracy space marines are capable of

Same with las rifles, why recoil?

[quasi blaze]

The Idea was that the initial propellant was to help with the Barrel of the Bolter itself and to stop them from exploding

[spiral thorn]

Las having recoil does feel weird

[quasi blaze]

las rifles have recoil for game balance reasons

[plain nimbus]

When you cut thing that monomolecular level it doesnt that much tension or force. Things just got chipped away when it comes into contact with the teeth. If you want discuss this further im sure the guys over in #40k-lore-chat will happy to indulge

[sharp fossil]

I got this Power Sword. Do i buy? i honestly dont know what i am not sure what are the best perks for this type of weapon.

[modest stag]

are crafting materials spawns/amounts scaled with difficulty

[heavy shuttle]

It would be nuts if it didnt.

[heavy shuttle]

Yes.

[uncut verge]

Game balance >>> lore

[quasi blaze]

Accatran Recon Lasgun literally doesn't have recoil

[spiral thorn]

Definitely, but the recoil is still strange

[heavy shuttle]

Yes, but if the recon had recoil it would be trash.

[grim relic]

What does "Salvo" mean?

[quasi blaze]

Get a Accatran Recon Lasgun with the Infernus perk and you have literal laser beam of fire that can easily kill Plague Ogryns and Beasts

[cunning meadow]

salvo is a large amount of munitions being fired

[quasi blaze]

Plus total ammo reserve of like 950

[spiral thorn]

I guess if everything was accurate the ogryn player would have the health of a monstrosity-lite

[heavy shuttle]

If we can modify scopes onto weapons with crafting, I would totally get on board.

[twin summit]

Any tips for sharp deadeye penance im lvl 30 and counterstrike dont work

[grim relic]

How tf does that work with a force staff

[grave heart]

real men use irons like they did in ww2

[quasi blaze]

Oh don't hurt me like this the thought hadn't crossed my mind now I won't be able to stop thinking about it

[grave heart]

though the gothic arch sight is very sexy and i want one irl

[pulsar tundra]

The cutting isnt' the problem... the extra strangs of kevlar in the rotational mechanism is...

[nocturne oracle]

i know this is the wrong game but it's kind of related, has anyone here played wh40k dark crusade and can help me out for a minute?

google isn't very clear on my issue

[uncut verge]

https://tenor.com/view/imagination-spongebob-squarepants-dreams-magic-gif-12725683

[heavy shuttle]

The iron sights in DT don't do it for me unfortunately. I like my optic with XII etc etc

[spiral thorn]

The chainsword is made of super scifi metal with super scifi motors and is super scifi gud at cutting

[grave heart]

theres plenty of lore examples of chain weapons getting clogged. I guess they have some system to prevent it but it does happen. Good example is during istvaan III

[grave briar]

Buy it

That will decimate hordes and specials alike

I have one with the same wrath perk and it's amazing

[signal cipher]

I'm this way with some of the guns, for the most part the irons are ok

The Helborn on the other hand, dear god redo it's sights

[heavy shuttle]

Strongly agree. I love the bayonet idea, but dear god those sights+recoil

[signal cipher]

Same

[nocturne oracle]

bump, surely one person here has played dark crusade

i don't wanna ask reddit cuz ill have to wait 5 years for an answer

and a discord for wh40k dark crusade is probably filled with ratlings

[pulsar tundra]

Easy - go onto reddit and post the wrong answer. you'll have it inseconds

[dire ridge]

i played it when i was 8 years old

[nocturne oracle]

i just wanna know if the game has autosave or not

i lost my campaign data from yesterday and i am very :(

[deft juniper]

anyone know if espionage missions are available any more?

[pulsar tundra]

check your recyle bin?

[nocturne oracle]

nothing

[spiral thorn]

Those chainsword users shouldve placated the machine spirit better

[pulsar tundra]

how about using a file recovery tool like Recuva

[rain dew]

pog?

[burnt pendant]

But at that point, I have a rather unfun ranged weapon, a rather unfun grenade replacement, and horrible survivability against ranged enemies. It's just so profoundly 'meh'.

[uncut verge]

Like the entire save is missing? Or it crashed and you’re missing progress from yesterday?

[sick spruce]

is there a way to tell which mission type I havent done yet? Mind over Matter penance is at 6/7

[dire ridge]

i think it doesn't, how did u lose it

[bitter summit]

that's a nice fucking power sword dudee

[grave heart]

they were loyalist world eaters with chain axes so they probably used blood instead of the prescribed holy oils and angry screaming instead of chants

[nocturne oracle]

i loaded it up and i don't see my save in the campaign section. i only have "New game" as option

[spiral thorn]

Brain burst is super fun

[nocturne oracle]

im just going to assume theres no autosave since it's an old game

[haughty umbra]

Go to missions tab, look at which one you haven't done yet. It's likely disruption cuz that was only on day 1

[deft juniper]

if you go to the missions section of the penances you can see each type and how many of each you've done

[uncut verge]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-meme-gif-25793745

[rain dew]

mobility is low but otherwise this looks pretty sick

[sick spruce]

ahhh okay thanks guys

[nocturne oracle]

ah so it was a skill issue on my end

[signal cipher]

I adore the recon Bulpup lasguns.
The idea of a Bulpup I've always enjoyed and I think you can do a lot with the idea

Longer barrel, smaller profile

[nocturne oracle]

[burnt pendant]

Is it? You pick a target, then you wait 4 seconds. On higher difficulties, it won't even kill anything that really needs killing. To each their own, I guess

[nocturne oracle]

surely i will remember to save from now on thanks guys

[spiral thorn]

Im that psyker spamming brain burst while yall get overwhelmed by pox walkers

[slow fog]

Nothing else will either

It's still the best tool for dealing with specials

[sharp lotus]

how does someone do make every shot count penance?

[burnt pendant]

I'm really just hoping for a bolt staff equivalent and an unchained class equivalent. Eventually

[spiral thorn]

You make every shot count XD

[rain dew]

i feel like the one on the left is clearly better even though the damage is a little lower

[signal cipher]

Well you make every shot count, Forehead

[uncut verge]

Shotgun. Never pickup ammo. Only on mission with extract so you can use up remaining ammo from your conference buff if any

[slow fog]

yeah of course

[spiral thorn]

Make a biomancy focussed super tank psyker could be fun

[dire ridge]

pretty sure only the weapon stats matter, everything else you can get it from the new shop

[heavy shuttle]

smash or pass?

[nocturne oracle]

i don't see an issue with that

looks powerful

[uncut verge]

Coins or credits?

[heavy shuttle]

Cheap currency

[burnt pendant]

You don't? Someone took a picture of their screen.

[heavy shuttle]

You're damn right I did.

[uncut verge]

Then It’s fuckoff money, try it lol

[slow fog]

I think they updated it so only purple+ shows up at contract currency vendor

[spiral thorn]

How often does the shope reset

[uncut verge]

Especially if it’s higher rating

[uncut verge]

Coin shop every hour. Credit shop once a day

[slow fog]

dolla shop, on the hour every hour. Contract shop, 24hs

[grim relic]

Every hour

[paper nest]

anyone have an issue joining striketeams after games? itll say your game is a different version than the others even though its not

[wind orbit]

The Ia uses 3 ammo per shot right? I dislike the weapon coz of that

[heavy shuttle]

Yes, can confirm.

The unarmored perk is pretty much wasted for elite/special killing

[wind orbit]

yeah I prefer the kantraels that dont use as much ammo 😛

[heavy shuttle]

Kantraels XII still uses three but significantly more ammo in the backpack

[wind orbit]

I guess ive mainly been using the IV then, i think that one uses 1 ammo per shot

[lunar ferry]

Does consecration upgrade the bars or just power level and how is it distributed if yes

[stray arrow]

can the psyker use the power sword or the chain axe?

[neon ice]

nah they got a force sword and rapiers from what I've seen

[slow fog]

Psykers get chainswsords, not seen a powersword or chain axe. Am level 30 @stray arrow

[stray arrow]

get friends

same

[neon ice]

pair up in lfg

[dire ridge]

find three other dudes with the same penance

[stray arrow]

the same irl penance

[neon ice]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-heresy-gif-13154719

[gilded minnow]

I feel very squishy as Ogryn, am I taking on too high of a mission rank 3 whilst being level 10? or is there some things I'm not getting about Ogryn

Anyone got any tips?

[wintry quartz]

Rank 3 is very tough even if you were in a group of 15+

[neon ice]

stick with rank 2 for now

[wintry quartz]

Mistakes get punished more

[gilded minnow]

Rank 2 feels like a cake walk tho, the balance seems a bit off

[wintry quartz]

Yea a 2.5 would be nice

[wide rune]

2 with endless Hordes and Grim.

Boom, 2.5

[neon ice]

ye

basically

[gilded minnow]

Rank 1 and 2 feel similar, rank 3 just blows me away, makes me wonder how 4 and 5 look

[nova cipher]

just step it back to rank 2's until you get comfortable and then try moving up again

[wide rune]

Rank 3+ really starts punishing mistakes. Don't get hit. Block, parry, dodge. CC and stick together. Mark Elites, learn your weapon combos and what your weapons job is, and the damage it does against different armor types.

[lime imp]

Rank 4 tests your control and elite kill speed

You start seeing patrols of like 10 maulas

[neon ice]

oof

[wide rune]

1 Purgation Flamer laughs in the face of 10 Maulers.
Or 1 Thunder Hammer/Eviscerator 😄

[gilded minnow]

Also is there a place where I can find the best weapons and or stats for my class?

I'm a bit confused what to go for currently

Or what is possible

[neon ice]

youtube builds are a good start

[cursive citrus]

the best weapon is the one you like and can kill thigns with

[gilded minnow]

Any reliable sources you'd like to mention?

[lime imp]

What class?

[gilded minnow]

Ogryn currently

[slow fog]

stick stronk

[lime imp]

Stick good

[cursive citrus]

some people love lasguns, some people love autoguns, some peopple love bolters, some love plasma. Others hate all of those. Whatever works for u works.

[neon ice]

there is some videos about what the class should focus around as well as tell you what weapons fit what ro;es

[ivory root]

Am I blind or is there no option to select mic input device?

[slow fog]

I think shield is meta for oggy

[wide rune]

Shield, and the handheld cestus/nade launcher

[neon ice]

shield and heavy stubba

[wide rune]

Is what I see the most, or the Heavy Stubba

[lime imp]

Shield is 2 good

If its something only your class can take its prolly strong

[wide rune]

I love any and all Ogryn that bring a shield. They're a Zealots best friend

[neon ice]

aggro control

[tawny dirge]

anyone got any guides to get the psyker ledge penance?

[tepid gust]

Anyone have any idea how the emperors reward works? It feels random at times to get items

[wintry quartz]

I just hate that they make the shield block your vision. It is not fun to look through the mailbox slot so much

[slow fog]

it is

[jade canyon]

Chasm Logistratum, first bridge area. Trigger a horde, lure them to the side where there is a super thin bridge. Get your team to bait them onto it, then push them from the main bridge itself. There's plenty of guides on youtube.

[bold saffron]

Back in my day you looked out your mailbox slot and liked it @wintry quartz

[opaque dawn]

seems vet counterfire feat only affects scab shooters and not dreg shooters as per description? i feel kind of OCD (it works on dreg shooters on real play)

[slow fog]

this is what I did

[nova cipher]

would you rather a glass shield?

[sick spruce]

Mind over Matter penance is bugged?
According to penance Ive done assassination / disruption / strike / raid / repair / investigation / espionage all atleast once

[lime imp]

That one level where you get the cypher idents was good for farming thst psyker penace

[burnt pendant]

Any reasonable way to build a psyker that does not involve a staff?

[lime imp]

In that last bit b4 extract with the extended bridges

[wintry quartz]

Just prefer to not have the realism of rhe shield ruin my gaming experience as a tank

[lime imp]

The lighting staff is legit so good not bringing it is just like, might as well run another class

[sleek perch]

Any good zealot builds?

[tender jungle]

Loving the Bolter, what’s a good way to utilize it properly? In terms of who I should prioritize and whatnot (I am a Veteran)

[mild torrent]

Not sure if i should ask here or #theorycrafting but does upgrading a weapon increase the amount of stats on its bars too? Since it increases the rating and rating is what determines how many stats are allocated across the bars... it should increase them right?

[burnt pendant]

It could

[tawny dirge]

That and void staff and you got yourself an awesome combo

[burnt pendant]

Depends on how much the raiting rises, and what else you get. F.Ex. a trait costs 25 points. If you upgrade to orange, you get one extra, so you'd need to roll higher than +25 to get extra stats Edit: Ah, right, traits have levels. So possibly not quite yet. I honestly don't know.

[tepid gust]

they added urgrading

[mild torrent]

So if i upgrade a white all the way to orange the stats wont change at all?

[burnt pendant]

If they do, certainly not in any meaningful way. Best get a good base

[tepid gust]

it upgrades it to the next rarity though. unless adding the traits makes it a diffrent rarity

[burnt pendant]

Thing with staves is: They don't help against scattered ranged enemies, like, say, 20 being spawned in sightrange in a hallway with lots of cover (on their side). There's no staff that's really good against multiple weaker enemies at a long distance.
Because I can't seem to get a team with one teammate who's actually competent with guns.
Mind you, sometimes there's two or three, but never a useful number. Also, the lightning staff looks mechanically very uninteresting to me.
Honestly, their whole implementation of the psyker concept seems to be a mite unimaginative. It's basically VT2 sienna, but with worse Talents and part of her kit missing.
But I do like the force blade - wish blocking actually blocked bullets on it, it certainly looks the part, and the combo's could also be better, but... I don't actually know why I like it. Must be the idea behind it and that massive damage on the special.

[hallow pebble]

What's considered an "Unyielding Enemy"?

[slow fog]

You cant do everything, no class can.
Force sword does block ranged if it has the right blessing

[rigid wasp]

Did they remove the feature where you can rejoin after crashing?

[unreal falcon]

Ogryn enemies

Their non armored parts at least

[grave briar]

Pretty sure monstrosity count too

[unreal falcon]

Makes sense

[pastel kayak]

Question: How do i increase the gearscore of my item further? Iam at lvl 30 now and my orange items have around ~430ish score. But ive heard that others have higher ones how do i get there

[hallow pebble]

Contract guns and upgrading via the new crafting system (to the right of the home base)

[pastel kayak]

contract orange guns are 430 gear score for me right now in the shop

others have scrernshots of orange weapons being 480ish score in their contracts

just curious how that works

even pre crafting

[hallow pebble]

I got 475 gear from the contracts. I think it's based off both weapons slots + 3 curios power level divided by 5

[pastel kayak]

Interesting, is there any source out there to that or just your theory?

[stone wing]

that's a wild theory that doesn't even add up at a basic level

[limber peak]

how many times does an ogryn need to charge to get the 70 meters?

[untold herald]

can we salvage weapons yet?

[hallow pebble]

I've been using the highest power gear in each slot every time I find it

and it seems to get me higher gear

[sacred shadow]

Hi, I'm trying to complete the Deadeye penance for Sharpshooter. It says weapon's Secondary Action, so probably something like bayonet on the lasgun?

[burnt pendant]

I really don't want to do everything. But switching class is reserved for after the beta, and until then, I'll have to make do. I probably should have picked another class, but then, sienna was my main in VT2, so I figured that would be fitting. Guess I'll just have to hope for that blessing, eventually. Who knows, maybe even this beta. Doubt it, though.

[stone wing]

yeah that generally seems to be the cause but just averaging all your ratings doesn't work because curios aren't rated on the same scale as weapons

I've seen weapons as high as 507

I've never seen a 140 curio

[hallow pebble]

I just used the vermintide logic

[stray vine]

Is there a mission that is best for levels?

[stone wing]

what is the highest rated gray weapon you have seen

[hallow pebble]

10 power per level 30 (300) plus the power from 5 gear items divided by 5, max power 650, so avg 350 of the 5 gears

[pastel kayak]

I see maybe it works like that dunno

whats the gearscore of your orange curios that pop up?

[stone wing]

the good ones? around 130

[pastel kayak]

this is in my contract shop right now

It could also be heavy rng and next time i might see items of ilvl470 in there who knows

[north wolf]

Is psyker kinda lame until 25?

[plain nimbus]

i saw 20 psyker being very useful. not sure if it's boring or not.

[hallow pebble]

450-475

[plain nimbus]

psyker in general won't do massive damage to one thing nor mass killing mobs. what they're good at is killing fast moving special like dogs and mutant, or just normal special in general.

[hallow pebble]

The purple im trying to upgrade to oj says itll be 453-484 or something like that

[stone wing]

curios not weapons

[hallow pebble]

I'll check in a sec

Think like 140

[granite nimbus]

im trying to find one voice line route where a lady screams "ENEMIES, AHOY", is this the right place to ask that?

[shadow sorrel]

If I've been rewarded an item at the end of a mission, does that count towards my overall item level watermark? I've been given a couple of 120ish legendary curios but the ones from the store are still around 80.

[minor tangle]

a psyker can be good at both

[hallow pebble]

I dunno if it counts when in inventory or if it has to be equipped

[novel yew]

psyker has some good CC and utilty with the different staffs and their ability. not to mention picking of non fortified emites with BB

all of that can be done pre lvl 25

[hallow pebble]

I've equipped even if worse stats if higher power

[fair ore]

Are Dregs/Scabs in certain missions, or is it a roll of the dice that determines which enemy faction is in that mission?

[plain nimbus]

i mean yeah any class can be good at everything depends on play style and load out. i'm just saying what they're extremely good at that is at their disposal at all time

in a sense i feel the veterans and ogryn are both very loadout dependent so you don't really know what to expect from them until you see what they use in the mission

[unkempt basin]

Anyone happen to know if this can proc on brain burst itself? Can I brain burst while I brain burst?

[slow fog]

Just FYI that talent is bugged. It's ~5% chance, not 10

It also doesn't give perils which is nice

[plain nimbus]

the cool down make no sense tbh

[novel yew]

yes it can proc on BB itself just prety rare

[unkempt basin]

ty

[potent epoch]

What am I doing wrong? Is it not working?

[minor tangle]

ofc but we're at the beginning of the game so we don't have a lot of build etc ... and i was talking on build you can make not what ppl do that it's all other story

[jade canyon]

Ascendant Blaze vs Kinetic Barrage?

[worn relic]

do you have it equipped?

[potent epoch]

Tried when equipped, and tried when not - same result

[plain nimbus]

yeah like i said you can make any class good at anything. that's what i like about this game. all classes are self reliant. you don't get into a situation where "ah shit can't do anything about this enemy". sometimes you will because your loadout is not suit for it but you have option to make it to do everything.

i'm tempting to have ogryn as my second characters. can anyone tell me what is the main role of the heavy stubber?

[hallow pebble]

471/475 are the highest weapons that show up so far for me, 125/129 for oj curios. So I'm assuming 500 is perfect weapon, 150 for curios? IDK, best guess

[cursive citrus]

did missions get rebalanced today?

[full pecan]

U can go higher than 500

[hallow pebble]

ooo dope!

[cursive citrus]

malice feels much easier/slightly smaller hordes/fewer specialists today i feel

[sturdy sandal]

yknow, I wonder if some of the weapon skins in the store that look different (chainsword, thunderhammer, bolter) are actually a different variant of those weapons, you know like different Mks , or are they just unique looking skins

[upbeat marten]

yo is anyone able to upgrade a weapon? I always get the unable to perfom operation?

[sturdy turtle]

What the hell is "impact" and "power" on thunder hammer's weapon traits?

[full pecan]

yea i am able to upgrade a weapon

[upbeat marten]

im trying to upgrade my thunder hammer, i have enough materials but it wont let me

[sturdy sandal]

impact is stagger and knockdown and stuff

power is dmg I believe

[full pecan]

I upgraded mine from blue to purple doe

[upbeat marten]

shouldn't matter

i guess my game is just bugged

[full pecan]

well it could if they coded it badly

could show wrong values needed for upgrade

[potent epoch]

Same, dunno what to do

[upbeat marten]

its so frustrating

[full pecan]

I mean with the amount of problems i dont think its ure game bugged

[spiral vault]

Are all 4s endless horde???

[pastel kayak]

@full pecan really? do you have a source on that? on how to achieve that

[tight sky]

Friendly Fire question. I noticed on lower difficulties so far, psyker staff bullets and things go through my allies n hit enemies vs bullets hitting them in the back. Do psyker staffs identify allies and not hurt them or can a psyker nuke their friends?

[thin matrix]

So does anyone know what the max gear score is yet?

[slow fog]

I believe charged psyker shots go straight through allies

Can't speak for difficulty 5

[uncut coyote]

For this stage of the map Chasm Logistratum, what's the best strategy? I find my team regularly dies here.

[tawny palm]

why does the lucios pattern lasgun not work even after they fixed it

[slow fog]

LMB bolts I think probably dissipate on contact with an ally

[tight sky]

Like I would hate to AoE staff blast a horde my melee friend is in and kill him on diff 5 when I get there

[slow fog]

I think they have chilled on friendly fire due to the shift of range/melee balance

[long plover]

How long has the melee bleedthrough for toughness been in the game? It was around at closed beta no?

[pastel kayak]

diff 5 has friendly fire?

[slow fog]

Always been a thing as far as I know

[alpine idol]

Can someone help me with the "On Overwatch" Penance

[slow fog]

not as far as I know. Haven't played 5, but 4 doesn't and I wouldn't expect them to only add it in for diff 5

[tight sky]

I thought word was going around about friendly fire in the game.

So I assumed it was a diff 5 thing.

[lime imp]

Shots can be blocked by allies

[soft wing]

around what level does psyker come into their own?

[lime imp]

With the exception of psyler magic

[rigid wasp]

Did they remove the ability to rejoin matches if you crash?

[lime imp]

When it gets the lightning staff

[soft wing]

think I'm about half way there then

[hexed rivet]

is it possible to do "Make every shot count" legit?

[lime imp]

Zappy is an animation override so it ignores stagger/armor

[lime imp]

Which one is that

[rare shadow]

are bolters actually good or just trash

[hexed rivet]

@lime imp you have to have 100% accuracy and no ammo by the end of a heresy run

[icy solar]

It’s great for lvl2, just tickles on 3+ though. Voidstrike staff is where it’s at.

[lime imp]

Its not about dmg

Its about control

[potent epoch]

Not rushing.
Hordes here not endless, they kinda end when enough mobs die and "restart" when intertogatir is fixed.
Best stategyin PuGs is to stand near the elevator, there are only massive horde of poxwalkers, and all specials will go from that door up there, which can give you enough time to react to them.

Really best - Zealot with flamer near elevator, Vet and Psy at the interrogator, Ogryn protects them.

[lime imp]

No single special gets to do anything on a lightning psylers watch

[alpine idol]

Ok how do you actually complete the "On Overwatch" Penance????? its impossible

[lime imp]

Your team gets to kill everything for free while you stunlock everything

[icy solar]

Valid points

[nocturne oracle]

omg why did i just ctd in dark crusade

fucking old video games man

minus fourty minutes i guess

[icy solar]

So no point in charging then?

[vocal nacelle]

stick together

[lime imp]

You can to kill horde/shooters on 3

I run the brain burst proc cus lightning hits a bunch of times

And thatll do enough killing alongside my force sword for when I need to kill something quick

[slow fog]

Brain burst talent is bugged - its a ~5% chance, not 10

[lime imp]

Yea thats still fine for lightning

Multi targets eating multi hits over and over

Im just taking it for the free warp charge every now and then

[peak sluice]

Stay at the back of the room, where the stairs are.

[whole swift]

any way to tell which missions you've done on malice difficulty?

[rare shadow]

is this a decent hammer? will it do good vs armor?

[icy solar]

I was running force sword, but switched to duelling sword as I found I needed a hard block.

[sage turret]

afaik no

[whole swift]

sheeit

[random sparrow]

anyone else having their contracts not progress from Melk?

[dawn zenith]

"Unable to perform operation" occurring when consecrating any of my items. I have tried equipping and unequipping all items i want to upgrade, and it continues. Any ideas?

[cerulean crown]

I'd report it to fatshark as a bug on the forums

[mystic onyx]

so i need some help getting to game to lunch

and i cant find out y is worng

its

[near viper]

anybody know the best way to complete "into the abyss" penance for Zealot?

[rare shadow]

Are hammers bad vs armor?

[dawn zenith]

Pray to your machine spirit. Burn incense. Annoit your fist in holy oils and righteously strike your machine. But obvious stuff first: verify integrity of game cache for steam files, do you meet minimum system requirements, have you restarted steam, your game, or your machien?

[near viper]

decent

[dawn zenith]

I assume you're talking about the thunder hammer. Unlike vermintide 2's 2h hammer, the heavy attacks for the thunder hammer are the AP ones.

[sacred shadow]

So I've been looking up "Deadeye" here on how to complete it, but everyone talks about shooting the 5 highlighted targets in the weakspot, but when I read the description it says you must do it with Secondary Action???

[rare shadow]

cus i only made a vetran because of the bolter is good vs all types but my zeolot has like no good weapons

good vs armor?

[dawn zenith]

If you got a thunder hammer, letting a flamer burst you down then getting a charged headshot combined with your special dash is usually a good chunk of damage. I got it by doing a charged thunderhammer hit on the back of an ogryn. Also: Corrupted health invalidates the challenge, so you gotta get shot to death or burned to death.

[dawn zenith]

Zealot gets the boltgun later on as well.

[rare shadow]

im just looking for a melee weapon thats good vs most things

[north wolf]

So this is the "maximum impact" sword?

[near viper]

damn, thx

[sterile gate]

Rather than asking which class is "the best", what is each class's biggest failure so far? Stuff thats frustrating about playing them.

[rare shadow]

or should I use an axe over my thunder hammer since its high DPS?

[dawn zenith]

The charged attacks on the chainswords are the real armor piercing weapon. If you played vt2, the chainsword is the 2h axe on bardin. It kills a few units but doesnt cleave the whole horde. The thunderhammer is the 2h hammer, lots of cleave but will not often kill more than 1-2 guys per wump. I suggest the thunderhammer since if you can infinitely juggle an horde, you can eventually eat through it in my opinion. The thunderhammer's charged special is also huge boss damage, but it takes a lot longer than the chainsword's revving for elite sniping.

[rare shadow]

ima just dm u because this server blocks u for typing too much

[tired crown]

I'm hoping that we get more actual sharpshooting weapons for .. sharpshooter. While I'm loving the bolter I feel like we need more long range weapons, high power low rate of fire stuff. The only class specific veteran weapon I've truly loved is the power sword, the rest are meh

[slow fog]

Ex sword and glaive were the best weapons

[tired crown]

I'd also say that the psyker's early reliance on brain burst doesn't do the class justice and I've heard, though can't confirm, that psyker gets rough during difficulties 4 and 5

[haughty umbra]

It'd be much faster to list off the elites/specials that do get one shot with brain burst than ones that don't

[tired crown]

In difficulties 4+? I haven't played my psyker there yet, only vet. I know who gets 1shot in 3! Lol

[haughty umbra]

Yeah, the brain burst scaling (lack of I guess) hurts pretty hard at 4/5

[lime imp]

brain burst 2 unsafe

also

[tired crown]

It could be that the complaints I've seen weren't justified or representative of the class' actual performance when somebody knows what they're doing

[lime imp]

never get that much time to charge

in 4-5

[slow fog]

I don't really agree with this take. Every body gets hit with the increased health, not just psyker's brain burst

It does make some take an extra BB sure, but a couple of extra seconds is what it takes to kill anything going 3 to 4

[lime imp]

force sword special does more dmg single target anyways

bb just good for long distance

snipers/gunners

[slow fog]

And around the corner/peeking

[lime imp]

lightning staff invalidates everything else

[slow fog]

Except for voidstrike

[haughty umbra]

My thoughts on it is that everyone gets hit by it but Psyker gets hit harder, especially with warp charges forcing you to use brain burst to consistently proc it. But that's probly cuz I use a warp charge build

[slow fog]

Are you using the 4% on kills in coherency talent?

I honestly almost never think about warp charges

[haughty umbra]

Yeah, even then it's inconsistent on my end, consistently lose my charges in horde situations.

Could just be because I'm not paying enough attention to it?

[storm laurel]

just means while ads

[slow fog]

I mean at 30 (imo) you should be running the soulfire F talent anyway

[unreal falcon]

Pretty sure longlas got leaked which is a sniper type lasgun

[slow fog]

And that eats warp charges anyway

[storm laurel]

mgxii and lucius are very much that

[uncut coyote]

Do the Surge & Purgatus staffs have the the ability to crit? I just tested those two staffs (not this one) in the meat grinder and saw no crits so I'm curious if this buff gives me crit or if it's a wasted stat.

[lime imp]

i run quicken

[storm laurel]

also there's a dmr type gun you can get but it sucks

[lime imp]

I got more lighting bolts to cast amigo

[haughty umbra]

Does soulfire have another effect other than the DoTs? I've heard it increases damage taken by 40% but that seems so far off

[slow fog]

Im not sure

I do know that with 4+ charges, any mooks die, with 6 charges, gunner/shotgunners also die

And with how much range it has, it turns into a horde deletion button

[lime imp]

yea they both can crit

as part of their multi hit

each hit chan crit

[haughty umbra]

Ill definitely try it out, what's your feat choices? Thinking I'm gonna run 211332

[slow fog]

Not at home right now

[uncut coyote]

If you had to pick between that one and this one, which one would you take?

[lime imp]

surge

im not even looking at the stats

just run surge

[uncut coyote]

Hmm does suppression effect melee enemies?

[lime imp]

zap

[uncut coyote]

Trying to think if that bonus would help me w/ crowd control

[lime imp]

the zap effect is a hard animation override

[slow fog]

Yeah surge is generally considered better than flame

[lime imp]

it stops mutants in their tracks

it stops dogs

[uncut coyote]

It's what I typically run just talking about bonuses.

Like with the bonus on the surge staff to suppress enemies within 5m on close range kill, will that do anything to the melee enemies, or is that only if there is a gunner closeby?

[rare shadow]

i think after using hamemr 2 times im going eviserator

idk but hammer is weak (for me)

[hollow slate]

yup thunder hammer is just wayyy too slow. Eviscerator is so much better, that or chain axe

[rare shadow]

and i find hammer damage just lacking

[slow fog]

Im going to use the chain axe for the first time when I get home. Very much looking forward to it

[shut sand]

Same question

Saw a guy on YouTube with it inexplicably

[rare shadow]

chain axe u mean evisarator?

[slow fog]

I'm pretty sure the chain axe is quite good

[rare shadow]

chain axe or like the chain sword?

[slow fog]

chain axe

There is the chain sword, chain axe and the eviscirator

[elfin hill]

yoooo got my first orange tier gear what do yall think

[hearty shadow]

player getting disconnected, then set back to the beginning of the mission with a hound

weird bug

[rigid wasp]

Why unable?

[rare shadow]

what is this

[hollow slate]

upgrade weapons using materials you find on missions

[slow fog]

It kinda bugs me that if I finish levelling my zealot, it will be stronger than my psyker due to being able to pick up crafting mats while I level this time haha

[rigid wasp]

idk why it says unable, all i wanted to do was up my Hammer to Frontier thing

[elfin hill]

you can pick up crafting at max lvl what do u mean?

[rigid wasp]

[slow fog]

I couldn't when I was levelling my psyker, who is 30 now

So I have zero crafting materials

[elfin hill]

im a lvl 30 psyker im saying u can play as a lvl 30 and still find them in maps

[slow fog]

I know

It's just a shame that I don't have those mats I would have earned levelling

[formal ocean]

what's a corruptor

[slow fog]

The demon eye that appears after killing the three sets of nodules on the water purification/forge mission

[elfin hill]

you get mats lvling?

thought it was only in missions

[slow fog]

I mean

Do missions to level up

[storm laurel]

the big eye things

[slow fog]

While doing missions you get mats

[pearl night]

For traits that refer to "repeated hits" do the chain weapon specials count as one hit or does every tick count as a hit?

[elfin hill]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-eyes-gif-22773102

[slow fog]

I could not get mats while I was levelling my psyker

I can get them on my zealot

Meaning by the time I hit 30 on my zealot, I will have crafting materials to get post 30 items

[elfin hill]

@formal ocean in missions where you hit the 3 nodes to open the eye that eye is a corrupter

[formal ocean]

👍🏻

[slow fog]

Whereas I will have to spend a bunch of time if I want to get those same post 30 items without the added benefit of levelling on my psyker

[elfin hill]

ur arguments invalid when u could just keep playing on ur psyker and upgrade that gear

[slow fog]

jesus haha

[patent sapphire]

ok you should delete your character so you can get the benefits of crafting on your main

[slow fog]

The based take

Essentially what I am saying is that my time levelling my psyker was less valuable, which kind of sucks. It would have been nice if they had included crafting material pickups without the ability to use them

[fickle lintel]

does the sharpshooter extra ammo scale with the weapon or the weapon type? some weapons have higher ammo of the same type

[slow fog]

I believe so

Ammo pickups are percentage based

[fickle lintel]

i constantly run out of ammo with this low base ammo lasgun and i was wondering if i would get more out of my perk if i had more base ammo in the lasgun

[slow fog]

I believe the extra max ammo is also percentage based, so you may just need a lasgun that rolled higher on ammo

so yeah what you said

I can't say for certain - my vet is only level 3 - but I believe thats how it works

[fickle lintel]

i can test it out i suppose actually, that would be great because i literally went through full ammo the arena at the end of a mission and couldnt carry my team

[rocky sierra]

Is there any way to cheese the deadeye achievement with vet?

[slow fog]

Is that the three headshots one?

[fickle lintel]

i got it before looking at any of the penances the first day

[rocky sierra]

Nah, the 100% acc one

[near belfry]

I have a question, I have a knife with : -15 % running cost. Does anyone know what this perk means ?

[rocky sierra]

on Heresy

[slow fog]

I imagine sprinting will deplete stamina 15% slower?

[fickle lintel]

mostly likely 15% extra sprint time, which is like half a second

[grim mauve]

Is the Helbore charge secondary piercing damage/

[proven merlin]

Hello everyone hope all is well

question about cahracter creation backstory, what does all the options really do?

is it just voice lines?

[heavy shuttle]

Pretty much. Nothing that impacts the actual game.

Pick a voice that doesn't annoy you. You'll be hearing it alot

[proven merlin]

is there a resource to hear the voice lines of each option?

i dont want an annoying voice line lol

[heavy shuttle]

When you go through character customization it'll give you a preview of each voice

[proven merlin]

thanks for the help Gunship

oh ok

[rare shadow]

god i love that african accent voice

[novel lotus]

the cosmetics thing is great

are there any more?

[ivory root]

Fastest way to get xp per hour still speedrunning lvl 1 missions?

[heavy shuttle]

2's from my experience.

[proven merlin]

is there a way to go back and look at your lore choices?

[heavy shuttle]

Besides the penance cosmetics, theres an entire list of stuff in the armory under operative cosmetics I think.

[slow fog]

Going from 1 to 2 is a very small increase in experience, like 7%. Going from 2 to 3 is much more significant. Honestly if you just wanna go fast, doing 1s probably is quicker than 2 due to the lower difficulty

[proven merlin]

spamming lvl 1s ive found to be the best rate of xp

[heavy shuttle]

Not sure if crafting mats becomes a factor between 1 and 2. I wish those were a thing when I was leveling up.

[slow fog]

Yeah this is what I was saying until I got hassled by an anime avatar lmao

[heavy shuttle]

About crafting mats?

[slow fog]

Yea

[ivory root]

Do you get materials from scrapping guns now?

[slow fog]

It is very weird that they didn't include them and just add the ability to use them later. This is what they did in the beta

well

minus the ability to use them

[ivory root]

ye its 100xp difference

[heavy shuttle]

They were in the closed beta, yes. Not sure why they took them out.

[ivory root]

I had so many mats lol

[slow fog]

Yearp

[fair ore]

Just did a mission where I killed tons of Dregs with ranged, yet my contract still says 0/750

[ivory root]

But uh, anyone know?

[alpine cave]

anyone have any luck on cliffhanger penance?

[ivory root]

I can't even get rid of my contracts anymore lol

[heavy shuttle]

Coin shop reset

[ivory root]

I have to do sidemissions on a map I haven't even seen once yet

[full shell]

Hellow Rejects, how's everyone doing? I was wondering: What are the best tips for getting the On Overwatch Penance? I've been trying now for a while an it's kind of a pain. Thank you for your time!

[ivory root]

What map is this?

[storm laurel]

zone we don't have access to atm

[heavy shuttle]

I would DM you some tips I used to get it but you got dms turned off.

There are some maps that aren't in rotation, they've been rotating them in and out during beta.

[ivory root]

💀 That's what I was thinking and I can't even reroll it

Good to know I can't get the +1000 weekly bonus

[heavy shuttle]

You can pay to reroll that contract.

[ivory root]

Nah it's bugged for me

I can't reroll any contract anymore

Nothing happens when I try to replace any

[full shell]

i've sent you a friend request, thank you for tending a friendly hand

[tranquil grove]

Anyone else having less frames sinc eupdate?

[rare shadow]

no gtx 1060 here im always 30 FPS

[twilit socket]

is the kill things with the shock grenade for Zealot on heresy? it feels like it

[slow fog]

Probably

The difficulty requirement is wrong on a few penances

[wide swift]

What is the thing you get for 30? Where is it in the inventory?

I just hit 30 and I cant find it anywhere

[inner river]

The trinket?

It's in weapon appearance

[slow fog]

Yeah there are two tabs in the weapon appearance screen

[wide swift]

OH, theres a second tab at the top! Thank you, I couldnt figure out where to look!

[inner river]

There's a selector at the top of the menu in the appearance screen, one for skins and one for trinkets

[wide swift]

thank ya, sah!

[upper jacinth]

trying todo the task have more then one wound remaining for zealot

[slow fog]

Im honestly going to wait until release to do the harder penances

[haughty umbra]

@slow fog This build is great btw thank you for the advice :D

[slow fog]

The game seems slightly skewed to the difficult side of things at the moment

[tranquil grove]

I wanted to do them now so i could focus on the ones with cooler cosmetics on release

[slow fog]

Haha IKR, I actually technically haven't done a run with it yet

But could tell from using it in the psykhanium that it was cracked as hell

[tranquil grove]

Hoping if nothing else carries over penances do lul

[slow fog]

Oh yeah, also that

Hahaha

[uncut coyote]

Do you get the reward from this on contract completion, or when the time runes out?

[tranquil grove]

On completion

[slow fog]

Completion I believe

[tranquil grove]

It can be finicky sometimes

[uncut coyote]

yeah it's completion just came through.

Think it was a UI bug

So no way to earn more of those gold credits until the contracts refresh?

[tranquil grove]

nop. Which sucks imo. Hopefully we'll get new ways at release

[crystal sorrel]

I am seeing almost the same item in the shop as zealot for 2 hours is this a known bug or i am having a bad luck ?

[stoic heath]

so, im having issues with getting hit a ton in melee, mainly by parts of hordes getting around me or handfuls of small guys popping up behind me constantly, any advice to deal with this?

[slow fog]

Keep an ear out for the backstab warning sound, other than that you might need to dodge/push more/in a different rhythm

[stoic heath]

what do ya mean a diffrent rhythm, are there spesific combos I should be doing?

[blissful oyster]

i personally have found success in just rotating this combo:
block > push > swing
dodge side > left attack > dodge side > left attack > dodge back > heavy charge attack

repeat

works with swords and axes, and the idea is to just constantly fall back. so dont back into a corner

[stoic heath]

is circle-strafing a good idea or no?

[blissful oyster]

if no elites in the mob, just low level dudes, yeah go for it. dodge > strike in a circle ad infitium

[stoic heath]

cool

[blissful oyster]

also dunno if this is a bug or not, but if you're on a platform and dont have "room" to dodge

just dodge into the railing or wall

even tho your char doesnt move, it still dodges the incomming attacks

[cursive citrus]

man, the plasma gun is so cool, but so useless

[stoic heath]

so dodge gives your invincibility frames

[cursive citrus]

it doesnt hit nearly hard enough for its insane drawbacks

[blissful oyster]

exactly

[stoic heath]

havent gotten a plasma gun vet so havent had the ability to use it msyelf

[blissful oyster]

i use the plasma, but it is only good as a team support weapon to focus heavies with the mage. we have a zealot in team with a flamer to deal with mobs

[cursive citrus]

yeah

it reloads insanely slow, makes the bolter look lightning fast

[stoic heath]

I thought it only moved you, and that you could dodge into things and get hit

[blissful oyster]

level 30 instant reload + bolter combo seems to be better when i'm soloing

[cursive citrus]

hurts you when you vent

and that takes longer than reloading

and can only get 2 charged shots off before venting/reloading or exploding

and the uncharged shots are decent, but not a whole lot better than a bolter

[stoic heath]

yeah that really doesnt make sense to me, why does it do damage to you thats dumb

[blissful oyster]

if you're 42% heat or below it doesnt hurt you

[cursive citrus]

because its a plasma gun, thats the lore and really cool

but it just isnt balanced right now

[blissful oyster]

so you shoot twice, heat vent > charge shot > swap to melee for a bit lmao

[stoic heath]

just, remove the vent damage or have it hurt toughness only and give it more damage, but keep the slow vent speed, overheat explode and long reload

[cursive citrus]

and it doesnt have a whole lot of ammo either

[vagrant venture]

anyone else not able to Consecrate weapons? trying to upgrade a thunder hammer and saying..... "unable to preform operation"- addition i am trying to go from white to Green

[stoic heath]

ive heard others say that but it doesnt happen to me, cant combine blessings though, has fatshark simply not enabled that yet?

also do poxwalkers/infected not get supressed, and if so is that a bug or intended feature?

[cursive citrus]

they are zombies they dont care

[dusk hemlock]

Zoombie can use sword and know who is enemy

[cursive citrus]

ya but they dont care about their lives to hide from shooting

[slow fog]

Yeah I just meant that different weapons will have different rhythms that work for them

[dusk hemlock]

I think they just like a slave when enemy high rank use for we spend ammo

[slow fog]

Axe for example has a nice push stab

So you hit maybe two or three times depending on how surrounded you are, then push and push stab

[stoic heath]

if your light attack doesnt have much cleave is it still useful vs hordes

[cursive citrus]

wow plasma gun is not just meh its really bad, on malice it cant oneshot any specialists without charge, and the charge can only oneshot a handful of them. Bolter can take down several in the same magazine in the time it takes the plasma to charge twice and maybe kill all of 2 or 3 if they are the weaker ones

[median moon]

Is there a workaround to stop purgatus instantly crashing me to desktop? I see other people somehow using it but I cant

[cursive citrus]

then the bolter can magdump into bosses and annihilate them

[stoic heath]

yeahhhhh looks like plasma needs a BIG buff

[cursive citrus]

plasma cant

[stoic heath]

should post that on the feedback forums

[cursive citrus]

im fine with it not oneshotting things if it has less heat/better venting, or oneshot things if its got this much heat and slow venting

[fickle lintel]

how long does bleed last?

[cursive citrus]

3 seconds i think? or 1.5? Each stack. Every time, only 1 stack drops at a time though, so 10 stacks last 10x as long, slowly getting weaker

[fickle lintel]

i like the plasma thematically but i dont like when people on my team have it in above malice

[cursive citrus]

yeah

atm its only use is hordes

[dry wind]

Whats the exact bonus reward xp/money for completing the special conditions

[cursive citrus]

which...... the power sword is better at

[rigid wasp]

Anyone knows why the game just wont let me do it

[cursive citrus]

and really ogryn and zealot should be dealing with

[dry wind]

power sword > all

[dry wind]

do you have enough materials

[heavy shuttle]

At the moment, yes. I'm expecting balancing curves for sure.

[rigid wasp]

Yes

i have the double of the materials needed for it

[cursive citrus]

ya. power sword was a mistake

[rigid wasp]

it just says unable to perform it

[dry wind]

strange

[fickle lintel]

are you in good standing with the machine spirits?

[heavy shuttle]

Have you prayed to the Emperor?

[rigid wasp]

Good question

[dry wind]

try turning Hadron off and on again

[rigid wasp]

Three times a day

[topaz karma]

I am stupid and baby. let's say I'm a psyker with a staff, and I hate head-pop. is there an attack that triggers the t1 warp attack perk with a staff?

[heavy shuttle]

She doesn't like that, anymore.

[dry wind]

"anymore" ?

[cursive citrus]

make it any weaker and chainsword/axe are just better, leave it as is and its silly good. Power swords are way too valuable to let random criminals own, and hell, the ones we have are already broken and need to be turned on every 2 seconds instead of staying on like they should

[heavy shuttle]

I'd rather not go into it...

[stoic heath]

in my eyes plasma should be the premire anti armor long range option, while melta, when its added to the game, should be even more powerful but very short ranged

[elfin hill]

is this worth consecrating or should i get better stats

[heavy shuttle]

For vet sharp right?

[elfin hill]

this ones on my psyker

[cursive citrus]

ya, ideally. Unfortunately plasma cant even kill one crusher starting with 0 heat before it explodes

[dry wind]

Praise the omnisaiah

[fickle lintel]

idk how high a blue can go but thats above average for sure and i like the stats so i would do it

[stoic heath]

my thought is the sword should be a cleave machine, the chain axe does massive single target damage and pens armor, and the chainsword is in the middle

[heavy shuttle]

As a vet main, I can say that recon is an ammo hog. Thats with my 40% increase. I primarily use Recon for horde clear but I switched to power sword... If Im not mistaken, yall psykers get better ways to horde clear than burning through ammo on the recon.

[rigid wasp]

Uh, which map is it recommended for the 10 minute Zealot penance?

[stone wing]

I've seen blues as high as 421

[heavy shuttle]

I guess what Im trying to ask is what you are using it for?

[elfin hill]

shooting things?

im confused by the question

[pure moss]

To be fair, the player characters aren't exactly random criminals. They begin as criminals, but even then they're criminals with lots of useful skills. The Ogryn has a Bone 'Ead implant, for example, and the psyker is a goddamned psyker

[heavy shuttle]

Horde clearing vs single targets?

[dry wind]

You're a pysker

You have a staff

Lightning staff is better CC

[tired crown]

Psyker gets really good staves

[elfin hill]

lil bit of both i guess

[tired crown]

If you just want to shoot stuff you can use the void strike staff which shoots explosive orbs, super accurate.

[elfin hill]

having gotten a staff with good enough stats

actually one sec i have one staff

[tired crown]

That was my issue too, I use a lasgun for a long time.

[stoic heath]

the area damage one is basicly a free vet grenade, lightning is best CC damage, and the flame one applies a huge debuff your team can follow up on

[cursive citrus]

yeah. Maybe weaken the damage so it doesnt evicerate crushers, but can still pen their armor and can oneshot weak mobs. Although on the other hand, outside the power sword, the vet has to dump a ton of ammo into killing carapace armored mobs no matter what. Maybe thats the point? make the psyker do it? idk, i hate bouncing off crushers or magdumping for peanuts in damage

[heavy shuttle]

Yeah, I'd leave the recon's to the vets. Its a huge ammo drain. Especially since yall have crazy CC.

[elfin hill]

i have this

[pure moss]

The void strike staff also penetrates if you charge it. It murders hordes, especially if you've got them funneled down a choke

[heavy shuttle]

I got fed up with it, even as a vet main. DT turned into 'scavenger hunt....'

[heavy shuttle]

.... You're trolling me

[tired crown]

Give that a shot, neko. That staff is so, so good.

[elfin hill]

how am i trolling?

[stoic heath]

you cant have one class be good at everything, though ive found one of the better ways to deal with super armor is the lucius lasgun charged shot

[heavy shuttle]

That recon isn't even close to the power of that staff, man haha

[pure moss]

calling it the recon
not calling it the FAMLAS

[elfin hill]

oh

alright

[stoic heath]

I call it the ODST gun

[rocky sierra]

is this just extra dmg on kill?

[heavy shuttle]

Where are the psyker mains? Get ya boi, over here

[cursive citrus]

ya. I guess psyker and zealot are supposed to deal with crushers and maulers with their insane pure damage capabilities

[elfin hill]

i have 185 out of 350 to upgrade staff to orange then

[tired crown]

Give it a try, neko. I've been carrying teams with void staff no problem.

[frosty star]

if you pick up crafting mats is it just for you or spread throughout the whole team

[rocky sierra]

Kinda sucks because both of those still get bursted by veterans.

[heavy shuttle]

Vets with bolters can help too

[tired crown]

Split equally, everyone gets the same stuff.

[cursive citrus]

ya but the power sword is better than the bolter at that lol

and can singlehandedly cleave an entire room of maulers

[heavy shuttle]

It is if I run out of ammo.

[elfin hill]

@heavy shuttle so make the staff orange?

[stoic heath]

I havent gotten a bolter yet 😦

[heavy shuttle]

Also yes, on the maulers

[slow fog]

Voidstrike rules

[heavy shuttle]

It rocks

[rigid wasp]

do we know if progress will reset on launch

[heavy shuttle]

Unless the psyker mains contradict me, I'd say go for it.

[stoic heath]

fatshark wants to carry stuff over but they dont know if they can

[rigid wasp]

best gun for when you're in a pinch

[tired crown]

I'd second this

[frosty star]

Bolter and power is amazing
also I got so lucky 2 master crafted curios from emps gifts and rolled a random one from melke got a militarm from that

[cursive citrus]

the emprah hates me

[rigid wasp]

yikes, ok thanks. i should prob play verm 2 lmao

[heavy shuttle]

Pinning fire is the trait you want on the bolter

[cursive citrus]

ive never gotten anything better than a white from it

whats pinning fire

[frosty star]

I have the salvo one

[elfin hill]

got my first orange recently @heavy shuttle

[cursive citrus]

whats shattering impact do? does it reduce enemy armor or something? or penetrate better?

[heavy shuttle]

Haven't heard alot about salvo... I guess if I was unloading on a crusher or bulwark that could be useful?

[frosty star]

sorry not salvo continus fire ramps up power

[tired crown]

@heavy shuttle what does pinning fire do?

[heavy shuttle]

Bolter is always staggering though, so for ADS the perk still applies, not so with salvo

[frosty star]

id imagine stagger is best

yah

[north wolf]

What is the difference between an infantry lasgun and a recon lasgun?

[cursive citrus]

recon is full auto

[heavy shuttle]

Pinning Fire- +17% Power for every Enemy you stagger. Stacks 5 times.

Thats what I got on mine

[north wolf]

I feel like that should be the other way around. :D

[frosty star]

on my power sword I have cleave gives more damage

[tired crown]

Ohh, I've got a blue one like that. Nice.

[frosty star]

so thats good lol

[heavy shuttle]

Kantrael XII is one of the great options for Lasguns that fits very nicely in Vet's toolbox. Recon and Infantry give up alot for faster fire rate 😦

[slow fog]

Yay heading home, only one or two games away from the chain axe

[heavy shuttle]

Which faster fire only factors in for me if Im getting pressed or horded... at which point I'm pulling out the power sword.

[tired crown]

That's the way to do it, I binged and got my power sword + bolter on like day 2 of the beta

Haven't been able to get away since

[stoic heath]

im particular to the infantry autogun myself

[heavy shuttle]

That's the 'meta' from alot of my fellow vet buddies atm.

Hopefully that changes. And I say that because I don't think DT should ever-ever-ever have a 'meta'.

[wet bloom]

Are there any curios for stability? shotgun has 100% stability and I just cant with other guns now

[tired crown]

Yeah, I've seen quite a few people mention that and I agree - I only use them because I feel like it gives me the best range of dealing with problems as they come up

[uncut verge]

All games have a “meta”

[tired crown]

They feel "right" to me. I hope they make some changes to the plasma gun and add some new ones for us so we can diversify a bit

[heavy shuttle]

The ability to mag dump a bolter to remove a crusher from the map is huge.

[stone wing]

why

you could literally just hit it in the head with ogryn grenade

and laugh

[tired crown]

Oh yeah, having that problem solver in your pocket at all times is huge

[uncut verge]

It’s a problem solver, but you can’t use it constantly due to ammo

[tired crown]

Especially if you're using the instant reload level 30 trait, dump 15 rounds and pop your ability, drop 15 more

[heavy shuttle]

For a vet with proper prioritizing, its not. Not from my experience anyway.

[tired crown]

I've never had ammo problems but I'm pretty picky about using it. Only for ranged enemies and huge threats we can't melee

[heavy shuttle]

If I'm wasting it on horde clearing, sure. But thats for power sword.

[harsh sun]

So for the chain sword, what's the difference between shredder and penetration

[tired crown]

...god I want to make a joke to that.

[uncut verge]

XII is better at dealing with enemy shooters. You can shoot that thing all day

[heavy shuttle]

XII is very nice, no argument there. But against carapace it falters.

[uncut verge]

Just doesn’t have the delete a big guy lol

[tired crown]

Once I find a decent one I'll give it another whirl, but for me personally the bolter is where it's at.

[heavy shuttle]

I get the same accuracy from the bolter as I do with XII with the right feat set up.

[tired crown]

Plus that "ka-thunk" just.. yeah.

[stoic heath]

I think shredder is how much damage the rev speical attack does

[uncut verge]

XII is pretty punchy. Not as much obviously, but still satisfying

[harsh sun]

What does penetration mean then? just armor pen for regular attacks?

[uncut verge]

Armor pen

[turbid dock]

Do more damage through armor

[heavy shuttle]

That is why Im hoping they will rework the lasgun to provide more niche. Give it a sniper scope or 'something' to make it superior to the bolter for elite/special elimination.

Not a bayonet... that can't block...

[harsh sun]

Hmmm... just dunno what "Shredder" means

[tired crown]

Yes, that's what I'm hoping for too.

[heavy shuttle]

🤮

[turbid dock]

They need to buff the Lucius in some way

[heavy shuttle]

Remove metal sights from it (put optics in), keep charged shot. Make the bayonet blockable and sweeping.

[desert radish]

How do I get higher level weaps to show up in the shop? I just keep buying higher and higher blues at level 30? Do I sell the old stuff or can I keep it lying around?

[stoic heath]

buy and hopld onto stuff with a high number

[uncut verge]

We're not sure if full crafting system will allow for scrapping guns for mats or not yet

[heavy shuttle]

I've heard it relies upon your current loadout numbers. Someone said it was your weapon/secondary/curious divided by 5 or some jazz like that.

Its in this discord channel if you wanted to do a word search.

[uncut verge]

You shouldn't need to hold onto it, once owned that should increase your 'max rating held' hidden stat.... least thats how it worked in earlier Tide games

[tired crown]

There is a "refine item" option that's greyed out but who knows what they mean by that, their vernacular is pretty puzzling sometimes.

[hollow flame]

Is Savage Sweep any good?

[uncut verge]

yiss

[heavy shuttle]

I typically hold onto one of each weapon. I got a plasma, bolter, various types of lasguns...

[desert radish]

Alright, cheers guys. Ill keep holding onto some stuff if we can grind stuff up later

[tired crown]

Just in case, it doesn't hurt anything.

Just complicates your inventory window ^ ^

[hollow flame]

Was that to me? It's most of my money to get, want to make sure it's worth it

[heavy shuttle]

Yes, but the chain revv'ed attack locks you in place momentarily. Wasn't a fan.

[uncut verge]

if you need the coin to buy something, sell it if you need to to get the item you want, but otherwise, I'm holding for now

[cursive citrus]

good lord even at 1 star missions plasma is damn near worthless

[desert radish]

That sword looks hella good

[uncut verge]

Savage Sweep is excellent

[cerulean crown]

Aside from the very basic, common lasgun are there any weapons with reflex or dot sights?

[heavy shuttle]

Kantrael XII has holosights? As does the infantry MG1(or 2?)

[desert radish]

Laspistol

[cerulean crown]

Okay so the Infantry lasgun and the laspistol

[uncut verge]

yup

[heavy shuttle]

Laspistol is.... meh. For me anyway.

[tired crown]

Same, was not a fan

[cerulean crown]

I see no reason to ever use a laspistol instead of an infantry lasgun

[heavy shuttle]

It would be nice if we could dual wield pistol and melee weapon... like in VT2

[uncut verge]

Faster to pull out/use

[tired crown]

You start with it as psyker and I was thrilled to get a basic white las rifle.

[cursive citrus]

why the hell does ranged fire push you back when you have toughness

[heavy shuttle]

Yeah it sucks.

[tired crown]

You also sprint faster with the las pistol, I think?

[stoic heath]

id make the las pistol have very little spread while not ADSing

[heavy shuttle]

Yes. From my experiences at least.

[stoic heath]

so good for getting headshots without impeding movement

[rare shadow]

how do i do good damage to bosses as a vetran? my melee class does way more

[heavy shuttle]

What weapon are you using?

[stone wing]

make the alternate attack not a bayonet stab
make it change grip so it turns the gun into a melee weapon and now you have standard melee combos and blocks

[tired crown]

Unload your bolt gun in its face

[stoic heath]

use your ult when thier sheild goes down and get headshots

[hollow flame]

How does 150% more cleave work on a weapon that doesn't have cleave in the first place

[heavy shuttle]

I would like to see that idea fleshed out. Agreed.

[tired crown]

If it's the assassination boss then you'll do more damage melee against shield and ranged against him, I think

[rare shadow]

weapons for my vet level 15 vs my 24 zealot weapons

[tired crown]

For monstrosities I've found just pumping bolts into them does the trick, if you don't have a bolt gun then aiming for weakspots and using the MKXII does good

[tame kite]

heres a tip alot of players seem to need. if you split up from the group and go down you shouldnt have tried to play cod in darktide.

just stay in pares of two at least

[stone wing]

these would be a more useful comparison if they were the same rarity
or just grays would be even better

[tired crown]

Just finish a rough game, @tame kite ?

[rare shadow]

sorry can u make that easier to understand

[tame kite]

yea we failed because we had two down and was almost about to revive them but my team mate ran ahead alone to get them wile we had two big hoards at our throats

[hollow flame]

Does finesse affect crits, or is it only weakspot?

[tame kite]

so all in all i got dropped by gunners wile taking out the zergs

[cursive citrus]

aight

[tired crown]

It's amazing when someone goes down or we have a rescue up ahead, so many people tunnel vision on it

[cursive citrus]

time to sell my plasma gun

[tame kite]

really get tired of playing with randoms

[heavy shuttle]

So the chainaxe, I never really liked. I've had alot of fun with the catachan devil(?) blade.

As for the infantry lasgun on the assassination missions you'll really only want to use that during the boss fight to target elites/specials that spawn in addition to the boss.

Your best bet is to dog pile the boss (with your time) lock him in melee. This will take away his ranged attacks which -hurt-. Keep beating on his shield and when his shield drops.... keep beating on him with your melee xD

[cursive citrus]

this thing is utter trash right now

[rare shadow]

ty alright

whats a good all around weapon for vetran with high damage lots of ammo

[cursive citrus]

it cant even hold its own in a damn level 1 mission lol, its like not having a ranged weapon at all for half the mission with how little you can use it and how little damage it does when you do use it

[heavy shuttle]

I would recommend the Kantrael XII or the Kantrael MG IV if you're starting out.

[tired crown]

The MKXII lasgun

[stone wing]

you posted 2 sets of weapons from 2 characters at a different level, seemingly in the context of showing how much the item rating goes up with the level

however anything other than gray rarity weapons have their rating obfuscated by the amount added by the perks and traits so that you can't actually tell what the true base rating of the weapon is, making them hard to use for this context, even moreso since they're different rarities.

but if that wasn't your intention then hey that's on me I'm just projecting

[tame kite]

also is it just me or is the challenge for preacher “Abhor the mutant” bugged and cant be completed?

[rare shadow]

responding to this

[stone wing]

ah

[heavy shuttle]

Hey, thats me!

[tame kite]

i have killed multiple chargers with my rush skill and no reward

[heavy shuttle]

Imma need to charge you royalties for that snippet. Copyrights and all that. 🤣

[stone wing]

for reference, I believe we have boiled down the rating generation of weapons to the VT2 formula but instead of 10xLevel it's 3-4xLevel

but numbers are lame and the game is mean so it's hard to confirm
the dataminers are doing their work though so

[heavy shuttle]

You could also try one of the Recon Lasguns if you like automatic las fire. Was super fun until I got my power sword melee option (which I highly recommend btw)

[obsidian cairn]

anyone have strats for Pick n' Mix psyker penance?

[heavy shuttle]

But for raw ammo capacity you can't go wrong with the MG XII

[regal notch]

was the penance bug for the preacher patched out

[bitter zealot]

just got "Make Every Shot Count" on Ogryn with rumbler (single shot grenade launcher) firing randomly throughout the level, for anyone who is having issues getting the penance

[mortal wasp]

For bosses the braced autogun is great vs armor and shields

[heavy shuttle]

I never liked the autogun or its variants 😦 Even after the rework.

The headhunter seemed interesting but... no scope... 😦

[mortal wasp]

Understandable but in assasifjfjdj missions the braced autogun will down the shield depending on lvl in 2-3 mags

[median lichen]

pysker penance about to drive me mad

[heavy shuttle]

Hrm, interesting. Not even my bolter does that. Testing will be required.

[mortal wasp]

Its the high rof plus the shield is strong vs las

Braced is like the recon las is rof, but the ads gives you more fov. Can hit mid range ok but really a cqb weapon

[feral birch]

Have any Zealots tried consecrating a blue thunder hammer? Gives an error for me

[heavy shuttle]

Some folks have been getting errors like that too. Not just you.

[feral birch]

Ah, alrighty then, will submit a bug report about it then

[stoic heath]

so does consecration actuly make the stats better? the rating number goes up, and it was explained that number is divided between the various bars

also has anyone been able to use combine blessings? its greyd out for me

[uncut verge]

God, I can't find scriptures for shit

[heavy shuttle]

Its not just you. 😭

[uncut verge]

Have collect 12 scriptures weekly... need 4 more. Getting like 1 per run lol

[shut sand]

Anyone know the quickest mission to farm?

[heavy shuttle]

Someone always manages to find those grims though... 😠

[regal cove]

What the hell is error code 2007?

[uncut verge]

If anyone on the team collects you get credit...

Oh... grims... lol

yeah, I avoid those missions haha

[heavy shuttle]

Folks have been using a VPN and getting great success rates. Fatshark is tracking that and are working on it.

[uncut verge]

It's 2022, fix your clock

[still glen]

Does this trigger off staff abilities? or just brain burst? https://i.imgur.com/wS48WWa.png

[regal cove]

Staff and sword

[abstract maple]

hmm, can the bolt gun crit? I thought it could, but couldn't get it to crit in the psykhanium

[regal cove]

Although you have to use the charge ability on the sword to trigger it

[heavy shuttle]

Yes it can. >:)

[abstract maple]

ah neat, now i feel less bad about getting a crit focused blessing from my legendary upgrade

[heavy shuttle]

Crit weakpoint on vet +25% +15% with bolter....

🥹

[rocky sierra]

Highly recommend just rolling off scripture weekly.

Easier to just kill things

[meager magnet]

0

[abstract maple]

Yeah, it seems to wreck pretty hard in 4s atm

[heavy shuttle]

Uhhh, yeah that'll do it.

[abstract maple]

Love deleting ogryns

[heavy shuttle]

Pinning fire would be better than Shattering impact, but mine isnt anywhere close to that so I dont get to talk shit heh

[modern rampart]

Does Zealot's level 25 "Emporer's Executioner" feat count towards the flame thrower?

[abstract maple]

What's pinning fire do? suppression?

[heavy shuttle]

+% Power for Every Enemy you Stagger. Stacks 5 times.

[formal ocean]

How often do Espionage/DIsruption pop up

[abstract maple]

Ah okay

[heavy shuttle]

But you aren't worried about that, because you have a master crafted bolter.

[north wolf]

I'm not big on the weekly contracts. You just get enough currency do buy like one weapon a week. that's kinda scuffed.

[abstract maple]

Yeah

[abstract maple]

I was just curious

[heavy shuttle]

Go forth and melt heretics.

[modern rampart]

Does that work for Flamer?

[cursive citrus]

all right

from now on

if im running a grimoire mission, Im hogging them all and destroying them

[abstract maple]

I'm not sure tbh because flamer kills technically count as melee kills for melk stuff and penances 🤷

I'd test it out in the psykhanium

[modern rampart]

what a clown, why ruin EXP from team?

[modern rampart]

tyty

[slow fog]

OK wow, I did not expect the chain axe to behave like that

[abstract maple]

chain axe is real bad

[slow fog]

Very different from the chainsword

[heavy shuttle]

There is grim curse resist available on curios if that helps.

[cursive citrus]

because you get almost nothing in exp, and failing the mission because you can't handle them is the worst. And the people who grab the grims in rando team can never handle it

[blissful oyster]

that's some small d energy

[heavy shuttle]

Agents of Chaos confirmed.

[modern rampart]

you get loads of exp for completeing 2/2

[cursive citrus]

you get peanuts for collecting 2/2

and even less if you fail

[blissful python]

Is it just me or does doing the veteran "Make every shot count" feel super terrible?

[heavy shuttle]

I dinged 30 off of failed missions... Not proud but C's make degrees.

[abstract maple]

which one is that?

[cursive citrus]

im not good enough to carry a whole team on heresy with grims, ive never seen a grim curse curio, and randos never have those curios either

[blissful python]

The don't miss and use all yer ammo

[abstract maple]

Oh, god yeah

Fuck that one

You can cheese it though

[cursive citrus]

get friends, bring a revolver, use your power sword?

[abstract maple]

Apparently if you play a zealot and only use a flamer and run out of ammo, you'll unlock it

my zealot friend unlocked it that way

[cursive citrus]

what

[abstract maple]

yup

[cursive citrus]

on zealot, for veteran>

[abstract maple]

Yes

[blissful python]

Guess I'll go level a zealot

[ivory violet]

Does the zealot extra damage for missing health trait count each tick of the rev'd chainsword?

[heavy shuttle]

I really need to figure out how to snippet quickly...

[abstract maple]

download light shot

[cursive citrus]

windows key + shift + s

built into windows

super ez

[abstract maple]

ah that's neat

[rose pawn]

where do you guys get the cube resources? i've done a ton of missions never seen any but plenty of plasteel, am i missing something?

[abstract maple]

i've used lightshot for years so i had no idea about that functionality. it's basically one of my fresh install programs

that's cool they added that feature

[heavy shuttle]

Thats a 'rare' crafting resource. You find them more frequently in higher difficulties.

[rose pawn]

got it, thanks, i just was trying to make sure it wasn't gated behind anything

[heavy shuttle]

Usually behind a crusher and his lover...

spoiler alert: they don't want a threesome.

[abstract maple]

it is gated behind level 3 missions i think, but i haven't run a level 2 since like the 2nd day\

so i can't say for sure if it is

[heavy shuttle]

Coin shop reset.

I wouldn't be opposed if they shortened down the cooldown from 1hr to 30min

[formal ocean]

Nah you can get it in tier 2 mission as well, its just really rare

[rose pawn]

let us lock specific items then yeah

[eager lagoon]

how does one find the other 3 mission types? Need this to unlock the helmet

[uncut verge]

You get both resources on Uprising2... you just get more the higher the diff

Got my long bomb penance done finally... can start using nades more intentionally now lol

[heavy shuttle]

Should rotate in and out. No way to track which ones you got, from my knowledge. They have 1 mission type out of rotation atm. Can get the normal brain bucket, but not the masked one 😦

[eager lagoon]

Gotcha thank you

[pulsar tundra]

So, I'm guessing each mission chapter is split by each mission difficulty

[uncut verge]

difficulty has nothing to do with missions

[pulsar tundra]

so doing a T2 mission gives you chapter 2 progress, T3 - Chapter 3?

So is it related to character level or mission progresses?

[uncut verge]

I can see missions I can't even do yet

[heavy shuttle]

For trust level?

[uncut verge]

they're just shared rotation as far as I can tell

and any mission can roll on any difficulty, just depends whats in the rotation at the moment

[pulsar tundra]

I guess all the chapter missions may not be live yet too

[uncut verge]

Question: Does max stamina affect sprinting at all? Or just your ability to push?

the more stam you have, the less % a shove takes

[flat sable]

Does anyone know how to ID which mission is missing at malice? I have all of them done but I did one of them ona lower difficulty it seems

[uncut verge]

It's not available at the moment

I forget the name of it but it was only available day one

[flat sable]

can you tell that its the one that isnt available? because I have done all 7

[tranquil grove]

Columnus? pretty fun. pretty good.

[flat sable]

just not on malice

[shut sand]

I got it >:)

[uncut verge]

We have not seen all the zones

[flat sable]

it probably is the dead one

[uncut verge]

Well, I guess day one they showed the deserty one?

[modern rampart]

I have done all 7 as well, the one you are most likely missing is "Espionage" it was only available on day 1

[flat sable]

its just a most likely thing then :/ well I guess ill try and vary my missions and pray I get lucky lol

[cerulean crown]

So what are people's favorite weapons for their respective classes?

[modern rampart]

Evicerator + Flamer

So fun

[uncut verge]

for which class tho?

[modern rampart]

zealot sorry

[flat sable]

Love me lasgun. Love me powersword. Simple as.
-veteran

[uncut verge]

joke... they're both exclusive

[modern rampart]

evicerator and flamer are zealot exclusive

[tranquil grove]

What are unyielding enemies? Ragers?

[uncut verge]

I'm having fun with Braced at the moment but I'm level 15 and my braced is much better than my XII (which still holds up honestly).

I hate when there's an enemy at range I can't touch though 😐

[hallow pebble]

Investigation, Espionage, Disruption, Assassination, Strike, Raid, Repair

[hard grotto]

anyone else in a rage spiral trying to complete penances?

[tranquil grove]

Also I dabble when it comes to ranged weapon but power sword is BIS for veteran. I have 3 versions of it in my inventory with how fucking goated that weapon is

[tranquil grove]

Braced gives that classic L4D feel which I enjoy

[uncut verge]

I’m deadly as hell in short to mid range

It is also fun mowing down hordes