gameplay-help

[timber flax]

Hey, quick question. Does the same perk of three characters stack? Ex three preachers with toughness reduction in coherency

[lilac talon]

Incoming balance update on Bolter: Slower cocking speed.

[jolly quarry]

pls no it already takes 3s to ready it

[kind spindle]

Eventually bolter will get a nerf anyway cuz i dont think a regular human should be able to shoot with it full auto.

[plain nimbus]

and if you want to go into lore wise. bolters is used by spacemarines, even custodes. so yes it's in fact god('s) weapon

[wanton haven]

This is a human sized bolter, not the same .75 that Spehs Marines shoot. Somewhat smaller in caliber and bulk.

[jolly quarry]

its also used by arbites and lots of other high ranking people, but in the "pistol" variant that we also get in game

[wet bloom]

Dont think so unless its just broke for multiple guardsmen, had me and another guardsman together, killed an elite, only got one shell.

[plain nimbus]

reloading plasma for 5 seconds "first time?"

[kind spindle]

makes sense im not exactly a lore expert just listening to a bunch on a second monitor during grinds in other games ❤️

[jolly quarry]

oh i meant the "readying" when you pull it up, the reload takes even longer xD

[plain nimbus]

that's why i inclined to take the + reload speed after kill specials feat

[kind spindle]

i have yet to try my speed reload build with plasma

[jolly quarry]

im a poor zealot that only gets +25% ranged damage at close range in terms of gun perks

[plain nimbus]

it's not something ground breaking. just give you enough to tolerate being in hell

[kind spindle]

bolter it is then

[grim relic]

Flammen

[plain nimbus]

but can your bolter one shot a crusher? didn't karking think so

[jolly quarry]

bolter is more satisfying than the flamethrower in my opinion 😛 i got my eviscerator for hordes

[grim relic]

I like flammingwerfing my poxwalkers in the morning

[jolly quarry]

nah its more like 6 shots, but does your plasma gun gib enemies and paint walls 20m behind them?

[warm coral]

is there some level scaling?
I mean, the higher level you are, the tougher the game is?

[plain nimbus]

i... can in fact do that. with a hole on the wall to go with it

[dull fjord]

Soooo ALL melee attacks ignore toughness? How did I not realize that for so long

[grim relic]

What?

[jolly quarry]

*also i can oneshot crushers with my eviscerator but not like you guardsmen knew anything about that 😛

[plain nimbus]

not ignore completely. it just go through but reduced by toughness

[tepid minnow]

yes the bolter can't oneshot a crusher, but can you do that in actual combat where the enemy is moving too?

[jolly quarry]

yeah they sure can, ive seen it *while i was charging at it trying to get the oneshot in melee first and being too slow lol

[dull fjord]

Ah thanks a lot
Cool overall concept

[plain nimbus]

sounds like a skill issue to me

[tepid minnow]

that's a mutant for the penance, it's different from the crusher xD

[jolly quarry]

no, im talking about a crusher *who said anything about penances

[plain nimbus]

i mean... with volleys on and the last feat i can just body shot and it's enough to kill them

in fact you don't even need the last feat lmao. only on higher difficulties

[split coral]

Looking to move up to heresy as a psyker, any more experience people around with a loadout recommendation?

[jolly quarry]

get a voidstrike staff and a chainsword *with the perk that adds 175% cleave on multi hit

[split coral]

I have a chainsword with that perk now actually

do you voidstrike elites or pop them? Brain burst seems kind of meh after the 2nd difficulty

[lilac talon]

Pop em.

[jolly quarry]

when theres LOTS of elites use staff, when you can single them out and youre not getting overrun/have cover use brainburst

[wet bloom]

Crushers when my entire team unloads autoguns into them probably doing like 1 damage each shot

[jolly quarry]

if you dont have a zealot with chainweapon or a vet with plasmagun or several people with bolters always focus ogryns with brainburst

other than that spam charged voidstrike and line up as many enemies as you can (unless its maulers or armored ragers, it wont go through them)

[split coral]

void strike is a line? I though it just blew up in a circle

[sturdy karma]

but in exchange it crunches maulers ragers and crushers armour for on my staff over 450

with head shots enabled

[jolly quarry]

no thats the trauma staff, the ground aoe one

[split coral]

yeah, I thought voidstrike was just a fireball

[jolly quarry]

it is but it goes in a line and through anything that isnt clad in armor

[split coral]

that makes it a lot better sounding

[sturdy karma]

void strike is a single orb with a decent radious effect that travels in a line it does explode on impact but only to stagger or knock down

[blissful geyser]

any feedback about this please?

[jolly quarry]

it will go straight through anything that isnt an ogryn, a mauler, an armored rager with what seems to be unlimited penetration

[jolly quarry]

can you translate the perks and bonuses pls, those are much more important than the sliders

[pale ivy]

Remove melee chip damage 🗿 it adds nothing to the game and only serves to make zealot worse

[blissful geyser]

oh mb..
8.5% reload speed
20% dmg (no armor)
10% speed (weapon equipped)
17.5% dmg on weak spot with second or third shot in "a salva" (dont know what is this)

[terse pond]

Salvo, the multiple different subsequent hits

[jolly quarry]

idk about reload duration on this weapon, damage to unarmored is meh, speed when equipped is meh, the last perk is quite good

id highly recommend getting+ 20% damage against flak armor

[blissful geyser]

how can this weapon be with godroll perks?

[jolly quarry]

i have never used this specific one but some perks/bonuses are just straight up better than others

[blissful geyser]

any good guide or tips about best perks?
ty for the help btw

[plain nimbus]

till this day i still don't understand how salvo works. you hit one guy multi time? you shoot multi time in quick succession? you fire on full auto? no freaking clue

[lilac talon]

Meat grinder time

[drifting harbor]

if I hadnt seen salvo modifiers on single shot weapons before I would have said its for auto fire, but ya know

[jolly quarry]

@blissful geyser none that i know of but the best rolls (from my experience) on what id call precision weapons are damage vs flak + damage vs indomitable (i might have gotten that name wrong), weakspot damage and power bonuses, tho even those can vary greatly depending on which one it is, but reading them will usually make it pretty obvious whether theyre great or not

[plain nimbus]

i did on the infantry lasgun. even on the helbore ones.

[jolly quarry]

im pretty sure its just "continuous fire" on the same target with a tiny bit of leeway, since ive seen it on a bolter

[lilac talon]

Depends on the Weapon.

[drifting harbor]

anything melee with +%damage to basic horde enemies is pretty sweet depending on if its a cleave weapon, +flak is good too, generally god rolls are gonna be something we gotta find out over time, way too early to make calls on that especially since shit is likely gonna change a lot in the coming weeks

[jolly quarry]

for anything that you wanna use against hordes the +150-200% cleave for x seconds on multihit seems pretty godlike to me

[blissful geyser]

gotcha.. ty so much

[earnest pivot]

i was wondering if this sword is worth it? need to grind a few missions in order to get it so i was wondering if its any good

[jolly quarry]

carapace bonus is sadly completely worthless except against crushers, slaughterer is great, shred not so much *i wouldnt buy it but i also dont like force swords to begin with

[pale ivy]

And maulers + bulwarks

[burnt pendant]

👀 Poor mobility, but that is an impressive meat grinder. Though admittedly for single target it doesn't offer as much besides its base stats

[jolly quarry]

not really, for maulers just do body hits, even with +carapace damage and headshots youll prolly do more damage that way

[plain nimbus]

mobility is a joke at this point. well, not entirely but it's definitely not an important one

[desert radish]

Carapace bonus worth it for melting crushers alone.

[pale ivy]

Hit maulers with special to the head and itll do more dmg

[jolly quarry]

theres other ways to get rid of crushers, never worth skipping on +20% (flak) damage turning 3 hits to 2 hits on pretty much ALL other elites

[plain nimbus]

except hit them in the body would deal more damage than that anyway

[pale ivy]

Special ignores armor on force sword

[burnt pendant]

What is a "weakpoint" on maulers, anyways?

[pale ivy]

It's head, but just hit the body

[plain nimbus]

still their head it's just that body shot is greater anyway

[jolly quarry]

the head, but thats also the only spot that has carapace armor, try it in the meatgrinder, its not worth hitting them there with 99% of attacks

[desert radish]

I should have been more specific, in this case, it's clearly not better, my mistake. As a psyker you aren't going in and hitting the dude with your sword unless you can help it. (I may have bolter brain)

[jolly quarry]

i can see how youd still aim for the head with force sword special, for chain weapon special its pretty similar too i think but i always go for body anyway

[burnt pendant]

I mean, a weapon with an armour-piercing special, bonus damage to carapace armour, and a high finesse bonus sounds like a weapon you would hit the head with.

[jolly quarry]

yeah but thats a very niche application, id take flak bonus over carapace any day on any weapon *if you already have it then ye head might actually be the same or slightly better

[burnt pendant]

If you can reach that high and don't animation-bug into its behind in the process.

Anyways, to repeat my earlier question:
Does Soulblaze stack between multiple Psykers?

[jolly quarry]

yes *it also refreshes duration on any application of it from anyone, just like bleed

[burnt pendant]

So of the target dies, who gets the stack?

[jolly quarry]

what stack? soulblaze is just a dot

[burnt pendant]

There's a level 30 talent if memory serves (the emperor) that grants a 10% chance to give a charge if a target dies from soulblaze "from any source". Just wondering if that includes other psykers, and if not, well..

[winter gust]

Not enough nerds queueing heresy+ this blows

[jolly quarry]

oh, vague descriptions as always... id assume either the last one to apply it (if its just you) or both (if it means from other players as well)

but i have a feeling its the former

[little atlas]

Yesterday I learned that the big number on gear is NOT an itemlevel... it's an itemrating. Bigger Itemrating doesn't mean more powerful (since that itemrating is also tied to it's rarity).

A grey 375 item is far superior to an orange 410 item.

[lapis raven]

it's down to the bars, the rating just provides more points for the bars

[jolly quarry]

i doubt that, the number supposedly is currency for the sliders, also traits and bonuses can do much more for a weapon than its base stats if you got good ones

[burnt pendant]

Well, we can't be totally sure that higher rarity doesn't come with a hidden bonus or a discount to traits. But yes, rarity does not equal power. (traits cost an unknown number of rating points.)

[winter gust]

higher rarity = more traits...higher item-rating = more bar distribution thats pretty much it so far

[plain nimbus]

higher item-rating = more bar distribution + stat on traits

[winter gust]

actualyl the stat on traits is determined by its own system denoted by the little lines on the trait squares. more rarity just increases the chances of a higher quality trait afaik

[little atlas]

Bonus-Attributes make up between 5-10 of the rating points, Bonus-Traits make up 25 points each... which means that the base stats of a 375 item are equivalent to an orange 435-445 item... and therefore significantly stronger than a 410 item.

[hazy gale]

Yeah and it still sucks

[little atlas]

Soulblaze damage increases EXPONENTIALLY per stack

[hazy gale]

And yet it still sucks when vet can just delete whatever that damage would be useful on in 5 las shots

[little atlas]

For trash on lower difficulties, certainly.

For actual Bosses Soulblaze is pretty powerful if you can consistently apply/refresh stacks

[burnt pendant]

They should probably up the base. Sure, 3 psykers with flame staves can probably stack over a 1000 dps of dot on a boss, with the only kink in that plan being that the boss won't survive that long. But this still makes it hard to apply and sort of niche. I will try once I get a high enough level, but I'm not expecting being positively surprised.

[hazy gale]

Just seems easier with a lot less setup to just get some vets with bolters

[normal tendon]

I will say, bosses are by far the least of my worries in this game so far across all difficulties. Basically everyone has a way to melt them, and they’re easy to kite.

[hazy gale]

With the bonus of having better melee survivability and grenades for utility for a singular enemy that isnt that hard to deal with regardless

[little atlas]

The Assassination target with his shotgun is easy to kite and melt?
(on Heresy / Damnation?)

[normal tendon]

I mean if you just walk up to him yeah

If your team isn’t ganging up on the assassination boss then you’re doing it wrong.

The only issues in the fight is special and elite spawns which you just have to have a team with four braincells to know to peel off and deal with if needed

Which unfortunately is a rare trait for lfgs

[wintry quartz]

What's the easiest and what's the hardest class to play as? I've been enjoying Ogryn but haven't played any others

[hazy gale]

Yes

[normal tendon]

Idk if I’d say there is a clear easy and hard they all have a skill set to them, Psyker I guess has less aiming but you need to know to melee properly.

I feel like all of them have a very similar skill set if you understand how to play them.

[hazy gale]

The chaff is 100% more likely to cause a wipe than the boss itself

[ashen rampart]

Is there a class like the engineer from team fortress 2

[normal tendon]

No

What even is that question. There’s four classes.

[little atlas]

If you can get the Boss to switch to melee-mode, sure... but if he consistently spams his Shotgun, then he can be pretty dangerous since he will melt your Toughness and then stunlock you

[hazy gale]

Between zealot and vet easiest leaning towards zealot personally. Psyker is probably the least useful atm while having a decent amount of mechanical complexity

[pale ivy]

Remove melee chip damage 🗿 it adds nothing to the game and only serves to make zealot worse

[ashen rampart]

so far I only play the psy-ker man

[hazy gale]

Simply dodge the shots? Dodge when his weapon flashes and you will be fine

[static swift]

My friend has an issue where he can't equip curios. He can't left click them or equip them but he can discard them. Any advice?

[normal tendon]

That’s why you move in on him, since the update I haven’t had an issue getting them to switch to melee. But yes if you let them use their ranged weapon they’ll fuck shit up

[ashen rampart]

so far I like the revolver and zappy staff but I dunno why I can't have both instead of the melee weapons

[normal tendon]

Have you played the game?

[little atlas]

It's a skill-issue... learn to dodge (instead of tanking everything with your forehead) and pick your battles (instead of charging into everything as if you're invuln... because your invuln has a CD)

[normal tendon]

Like, how do you think it would go if you got caught by a horde with no melee weapon?

[ashen rampart]

Yes but I have not beaten the difficulty 2 maps yet, i play the other beta before

[normal tendon]

I would suggest playing the game more, maybe bump a difficulty level up to understand why you always need a melee weapon.

[ashen rampart]

I just press F and then zap them instead because the sword is really laggy

[burnt pendant]

Speaking of which. The Staves Special seems to be some kind of melee strike. Is that actually good for something?
Also, what does the parry special on some swords do?

[random belfry]

I can't find a mission with Dregs in it. Need to kill 750 in melee. Cleaving through the whole mission but counter doesn't rise. So I have no idea what enemy that is and where i can find em, yet alone 750 of them.

[pale ivy]

Brain-dead, I was gonna argue but just stfu

[ashen rampart]

I am finding that the maps are a bit too long, which is the shortest map to play?

[bitter summit]

which one is best? I can't really tell from meat grinder, the rending one is noticeable but other than that it kinda feels the same to me

[rich smelt]

Those 8% damage bonuses are bug and they are x10 as people said, but for example 20% Damage (Carapace Armoured Enemies) are x10 too?

[ashen rampart]

How do you get the different melee weapons? so far I only see the sword in shop

[untold phoenix]

level up more

[ashen rampart]

I am level 10 so far

[alpine flicker]

I dunno man, I got a purple 410 gun vs a blue 380 gun, I tested them - blue had same damage or more in special cases "headshots on capace armor"
But everything else the purple one had DOUBLE, even tho the 'sliders' on purple were all lower than the blue one (Hence why I tested it)

[untold phoenix]

Level up even more, they'll show up eventually

[ashen rampart]

Gosh I hope so

[untold phoenix]

You might also just be unlucky but I say stick to it!

[alpine flicker]

If you look around there's some steam help sites that people compiled for you, shows you at what levels what you unlock & generally the weapon list

[little atlas]

Which goes back to my point that the BARS, Bonus-Attributes and Bonus-Traits are more important than the actual Item Rating (since we will be able to upgrade the Rarity)

[wintry quartz]

I think I get tunnel vision as ogryn especially behind a shield and my teammates just run off on their own instead of following me and I'm not fond of babysitting

[burnt pendant]

"double" sounds way too high to be a rarity interaction.

[little atlas]

And even further, the most important part are the Bars on an item since we will also be able to re-roll the Bonus-Attributes and Bonus-Traits on items once the Crafting-Station of the Tech-Priest is unlocked.

[alpine flicker]

I literally just told you that my testing proved otherwise,
My blue item with higher bars and lower rating did half the damage of the purple item with lower bars and higher rating.
So rating > Bars from my test just now.

[little atlas]

Same Gun-Pattern... or different pattern?

[burnt pendant]

As for melee weapons, there should be a plethora of options at level 10.
Remember, the Roman numerals (Mk IV or smth) mean different weapons.
At level 12, I've seen a knife or two, a dueling sword, five different axes, the force sword, and 2 or 3 different makes of regular sword. Then level 14 chain swords.

[wintry quartz]

Bars are rating specific. Green shows a bar from 0-20 , blue from 21-40, so on?

[alpine flicker]

Yeah same grenade launcher on Ogryn.
I speculate that it could be that the rating might actualy be an 'Armor penetration' and might be like a thereshold for higher difficulties, i'll test it rq and be back to you

[burnt pendant]

And I had a blue item with about equal bars (25 points higher than the same in green) deal about the same damage.
Which I for one don't believe proves anything, but there is a tendency.

If it was 10% damage difference, ok, but 50%? Nah, I chose to believe there's something different at work here.

[little atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QlBkFN9RRw <-- this Video explains how those ratings work in detail... but please be mindful, it's a bit math-heavy

[wintry quartz]

They should show actual numbers not bars and mystery

[little atlas]

They will, it's already confirmed to be on their roadmap.

[plain nimbus]

you have to have 2 curios in your inventory to have the equip button appeared. dumb i know but we gotta deal with it for now

[wintry quartz]

I'm hopeful ☺️ I am an optimist.

[steady kernel]

Why have a testing room that shows numbers and have it be obscure on the actual weapons i wonder. Oh well happy to hear it is changing

[little atlas]

The Damage Calculations are more complex in DT than in VT or VT2

BUT... in DT the damage calculations will also be more transparent - hopefully leading to us being able to make a more informed decision.
(note: I wrote "will be", not "are"... FT is still working on the UI part of it by turning "bars" into numbers)

[sick falcon]

It's a way to play only wich bots?

[shrewd pendant]

I completed a damnation run for the first time ever yesterday with a pub group I just randomly queued up for a damnation and found 2 good players

[alpine flicker]

I'm not sure if min-maxing is that important tho,
I mean, dealing 12 more damage won't make or break a run,

Altought I suppose some people just really enjoy the math and min-maxing, so for them data is important

[little atlas]

Just watch the video... I found it highly enlightening. Possibly even a blessing by the Omnissiah.

[steady kernel]

It can get a bit to obsessive around numbers at times but breaking points of how many hits to kill things is massive on higher difficulties, how could it not be?

[burnt pendant]

Yeh, some people enjoy min-maxing and math. And so do I, though I'm not so fond on certainty. I'd prefer enemies having a little variation in hp so there weren't any clear "breakpoints".
but, it is what it is, so a single point of damage more could mean you kill a target one hit sooner.

[hoary oyster]

Yeah if that extra damage allowsyou to reduce the hit needed for something it makes a big difference

[calm elk]

Howdy all, I'm playing Zealot Preacher at level 12 at Malice 3 and I noticed that I am straight up not having a good time. It feels that melee is very much High Risk and Little Reward especially when ranged can just chain slow you, any good guide videos out?

[shrewd pendant]

Eventually you start learning where to stand and what to look for so that it's not as hard, just keep playing

[little atlas]

If the Difficulty you chose seems too difficult, try a lower one and see if you can get a perfect (no-hit) run there

[shrewd pendant]

before lvl 30, completing the run is far more important than trying to do a hard one and failing constantly

[zenith torrent]

A no-hit run might be excessively demanding but at least it is a good mindset to progress

[calm elk]

I just wish it felt like my time in VT2 would carry over more, right now it feels much more RNG reliant as melee then VT2 was but idk

[little atlas]

VT2 combat is mechanically different from DT combat... and not just in the sense of "more ranged enemies". The Dodge-Timings are different, too.

[shrewd pendant]

you have to switch between the 2 constantly. Even as vet, I'm constantly having to switch between melee and range several times in 1 engagement

[calm elk]

Yeah I'm probably just flying off the salt handle cause I brought Flamer to a map and felt completely useless 80% of the time lmao

[little atlas]

BTW... for anyone who wants an idea of what the CRAFTING system might be like... watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b4MOrrqdkA&ab_channel=Fatshark and pause the Video at 6:04 (link directly to that timestamp: https://youtu.be/4b4MOrrqdkA?t=364)

[shrewd pendant]

plenty of discord groups steamrolling through malice runs and they'll take lvl 10+ so you should try joining them instead of working with randoms

[rich cobalt]

what's the difference between the hellbore mk1 and mk2?

[shrewd pendant]

you're gonna have to pay the tax for that unfortunately

[little atlas]

Different patterns (as in different roman numerals) -> different variants of weapons. Different stat-distribution, different movement-patterns, different sights (on guns), etc

[rich cobalt]

i'm aware, i was wondering if anyone knew the specific ways the hellbore mk1 and mk2 differed

[shrewd pendant]

There's such little info on weapons you're gonna have to just buy both, go into training and test them, and lose out on the 13k or however much it cost you

[little atlas]

Yeah. I just wish they would allow us to take that weapon for a ride in the psykarnium before actually buying.

[shrewd pendant]

yea I went completely broke while leveling just buying absolute trash weapons the entire time

[jagged vigil]

Voidstrike staff feels like a total downgrade from Surge

[alpine flicker]

So this is the blue weapon(255 rating) dealing 182 damage

[shrewd pendant]

I'd say avoid any automatic fire guns or smgs as a vet but that could be personal preference so you can't really rely on it

[agile nexus]

any tips on what abilities to pick for a veteran?

[alpine flicker]

This is purple (267, lower bars) dealing 204 damage

[shrewd pendant]

depends on what level you are and what guns you like to use

I like being able to kill elites instantly from long distance with my skill so I take Confirmed Kill, Sniper, and Deadshot

[flint stone]

The bars are broken they adressed this issue awhile back you can just ignore them for now as having maxed out bars means nothing at the moment. If your still seeing an issue with it id say the issue isnt fixed yet then.

[little atlas]

Can you post a screenshot of the purple one, too?

[crimson fable]

Someone can show the fire modes of columnus autogun pls?

[alpine flicker]

Yeah It was supposed to be there, I effed up the images, one moment

[strong bridge]

has anyone been able to find a consistent way to finish the deadeye penance for sharpshooter? (the 5 highlighted kills in one volley not 4 crits b2b)

[slender onyx]

Hey, how exactly do random modifiers get assigned? I assumed it was random, but lately I've been trying to do certain Heresy missions, and the only missions that don't get the Endless Hordes modifier are the only two I've done before (and im trying to complete each mission type). I've been waiting for a few hours but this still seems to be the case

Is this just very unlucky?

[plain nimbus]

get the last middle feat that highlight normal gunners. bring a high accuracy weapon like the bolter or infantry lasgun. it should be smooth sailing from there

[alpine flicker]

I just realized the bars are for the damage of the blast which I can't even test consistently, so nevermind everything I did, am a fool lol

[little atlas]

Hm.... the Purple one has RENDING... so consecutive shots should ramp up in damage. Would you be a good lad and test that?

[jade venture]

Just from a glance the extra pen from the purple is giving you more damage to armor than the blue launcher even though it has a lower damage stat

[little atlas]

The Purple one also has RENDING which works as a Armor-Pen-Buff on the Player. (the debuff-equivalent for Foes is called "Brittle")

[strong bridge]

sometimes it doesnt highlight the reg gunners tho, am i fucking up somehow or is it bugged?

[burnt pendant]

So many beautiful modifiers. Sadly, half of them don't work as they should, most have no or faulty descriptions, and some are broken.

[jade venture]

Didn’t know that I have a bolter with rending that’s sick

[plain nimbus]

yes i do believe it's bugged right now but it should be reliable enough to complete the challenge.

[little atlas]

Well, the Damage Calculation of DT are far more complex (and complicated) than VT2... so there is obviously a higher chance of bugs

[inner basin]

Is there confirmation that equipped gear's score actually affects what's in the store?

[little atlas]

No, not confirmed.

[plain nimbus]

get close to them just enough for you to reliably getting head shots back to back. keep in mind you don't have to kill them in one shot and you can miss, you just have to kill them with the last shot being headshot. the last feat refresh the duration enough for you to keep it coming

[little atlas]

I would even go a step further and say that that assumption is actually going to be proven wrong. VT2 chests and DT shop work differently since the Itemisation system is fundamentally different.

[pale marsh]

any tips on "going out with a bang" penance on the psyker? hard to do it in pubs :(

[little atlas]

My guess is that the items in the shop are more tied to your level than your gear... since I've observed (caution: anecdotal evidence) that the item rating in the shop goes up after a level up despite not changing my actual gear.

[alpine flicker]

It's a bit hard for me to screenshot as I have to alt-tab everytime and rending debuff is over, but :
on carapace armor, I got 273 - 274 - 275 -276 - 277 - death

On flak armor I got :
204 - 212 - 220 -236 -236 - 236 -236 - death

[keen cedar]

is it confirmed there will be more wepons? or like how many are in now

[little atlas]

Yes.

[alpine flicker]

Also - the blast itself doesn't do rending (no damage increase), but I see the blast's damage increases if it taps the Ogre prior to exploding,

So rending - is only applied on direct hit - increases direct & blast damage, and is meaningless on the carapace armor, atleast for my slow grenade launcher, I imagine a fast RoF low damage weapon can benefit more from it,
On flak the numbers go higher, (altough many times my second shot deals LESS than my first one) But still not enough for me to care about the rending on the weapon,

Lastly, the blast radius seems to be VERY important, as the purple one loses half of it's damage over just a few cm's, while the blue one indeed does more damage over more radius as the bars show.

So my take from this testing :
Rending isn't useful for slow firing weapons (maybe at all)
The bars were closer to reality than the weapon's number,

In this case, no bar was correlated to direct impact damage, thefore the weapons' rating 'took over' and had superior direct impact,
The bars' higher blast & radius were shown however,
In the case of the grenade launcher, I'd argue that the bars are more important, as I now see the blast does much more damage than the direct hit, and having extra range is a lot.

It's basically 527 damage if in range of 1 foot, and 182 in range of 1.5 foot by gross estimate,
While higher radius can keep the full damage damage for up to 2 feet, which then drops off about the same rate.

I'm gonna stop testing for now tho as I'm not a math guy in any shape or form, but it was fun, thanks for entertaining me in that regard.

[waxen night]

Hey guys, I'm unable to complete the penance for "Praise the God-Emperor" for the Zealot.. Says im 6/7 but Ive been up to date with the new mission releases.. im also level 28 so I dont know how Ive missed it. Any ideas?

[alpine flicker]

btw - the ranged' weapons melee attacks are counted as heavy,
So for elite takedowns it's better to use it (faster bleed stack)
Also works with the traits

[little atlas]

Hm... from what I understand, RENDING is a buff on you... so if you apply that until you get the max number of stacks and then switch to your melee weapon, you should still get an increased armor penetration / damage vs armored enemies until the buff falls off.

Since it's a self-buff and not a foe-debuff, you should also be able to use that on multiple enemies without having to re-stack

[burnt pendant]

So the rending is basically a melee bonus for the grenade launcher? ^^
Looks similarly useful to the "more damage on 2nd/3rd shot" on a single-shot weapon.
The blast radiushaving such a massive effect on a direct hit is notable, though.

[little atlas]

Rending works a bit like the Warp Stacks from Psyker... except that it's not +damage but instead +penetration

[normal tendon]

No, it’s for a lot of explosive weapons

[alpine flicker]

Nope, applying rend to one enemy and smacking another doesn't work, applying rend to the enemy and then smacking him works.

[little atlas]

You're not applying "rend" to the enemy... your applying the "rending" buff to yourself.

[bleak maple]

sometimes plasma gun can be Migraine to play with

[burnt pendant]

Which would technically also mean you can apply it to an armoured enemy and then a teammate sprays him down with an smg? I thought it was a weapon-exclusive thing, though. Might be a faulty assumtion in some youtube video. I wonder if there are autoguns with rend. Should be. Why not.

[alpine flicker]

I just told you it doesn't work, like, just now, in my previous message, hence you do apply the rend to the enemy.

I just - shot one enemy, smacked him, saw damage increase due to rend,
Then shot the same enemy, smacked someone else, no damage increase,
I tried to shoot, smack the one I shot (confirm damage increase) smack the other guy, no damage increase, smack first one to confirm buff is in effect - damage increase confirmed,

Thefore, only the Ogre I shot with rend has received extra damage

[alpine flicker]

From my understanding, that's precisely the point,
You get a teammate with good rending, to 'open up' an armored brute for your friends.

But I can't test it in the meat grinder, as no friends.

[normal tendon]

It didn’t seem to do much for Ogryns in my experience sadly, but that might be due to their high penetration weapons.

[summer bison]

okay nerds, check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QlBkFN9RRw

[normal tendon]

Also I’ve found that the meatgrinder is bad about not applying buffs from feats and talents/traits often.

[craggy bluff]

hey guys i would like to ask is there chance for now to complete this ''challenge''?

[little atlas]

Already posted that recently... but since it's a good video, it deserves reposting

[summer bison]

numbers gang

[burnt pendant]

I wonder: Can a weapon still penetrate an aroured enemy even though it normally deals no damage to it?
If, say, an smg has high collateral, and a rend trait, and fired through a mauler, would that work? And would the enemies behind the mauler also get their armour shredded? Because a high firerate weapon with a debuff sounds pretty useful in a team game. 🙂

[normal tendon]

Currently there’s no disruption mission in the game, or the research type either. So now right now if you’re missing those.

[signal cipher]

When do our Orgyn brothers get the HEAVY BOLTER

[little atlas]

From what I understand, Penetration only means "how much of the damage mitigation by the enemy you can ignore"... not actually increasing how many enemies are affected by your shots - but I might be wrong.

[alpine flicker]

Also smacking with the launcher applies rend, so rend is only on direct hits, not explosions, even tho they're affected by it.

For now I don't see the point in rending in a big slow weapon, so for the launcher i'm gonna use the higher blast zone/damage over the direct damage/rending.

[craggy bluff]

@normal tendon disruption mission was that sand map on first day right?

[summer bison]

weapons with higher stagger cleave than a higher damage cleave CAN stagger mobs without dealing damage as far as i know, but dunno about shred procs

[normal tendon]

Yeah, it got removed for some reason

[rare torrent]

So guys im encountering a problem here with a staff the one you charge then relaese fire when ever i use it the game force me back to desktop

[little atlas]

You mean the Twin-linked Stubber? Level 18, I think

[burnt pendant]

That, I aagree on. However, I assumed that an enemy with armour you can not penetrate would also stop you from penetrating that enemy and hitting behind it. Though I never tested that hypothesis. In VT2, the two were synonymous, as weapons without armour penetration also had low armour cleave.
I believe the "shoot through enemies" bar was called "collateral".

[normal tendon]

I have heard tell the stubber is unlocked at 11, but I saw it more at level 20

[craggy bluff]

@normal tendon ok, ty man

[signal cipher]

No I mean a HEAVY BOLTER because a normal Bolter isn't deadly enough

[normal tendon]

Maybe if they release a Gun Luggar class

[undone inlet]

there is a special place in hell for turds who take pictures of their screen with their phone

[alpine flicker]

This helmet looks cool, you just made me wanna play veteran

[alpine flicker]

Nope, much earlier now, since update you get all weapons at much earlier level,
For instance, psyker instead of level 20 for staff, gets it at level 5, force sword at level 1

[craggy bluff]

i didnt even know about there is this helmet in penance section till now

[little atlas]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2890127609 <-- A guide about all Unlocks (Features, Weapons, etc)

[signal cipher]

You fail to understand, I speak of a weapon that simply doesn't exist

[burnt pendant]

For imaginary weapons, ask your local Psyker.

[bleak maple]

quickplay down? m getting 0 teams on malice lvl 30

[little atlas]

So you would ask a Techpriest to commit Tech-Heresy by actually inventing a new weapon through... "research and experimentation"?!?

[normal tendon]

Heavy bolters do exist?

[craggy bluff]

maybe on release ogryn get heavy bolter but i wouldnt hope so

[snow star]

I just played the smelter mission with this weapon, just bought it, and I kept getting blue hit indicators on normal attacks on normal horde mobs, do you think its bugged ?

[normal tendon]

We haven’t seen any leaks for it, but I would expect it if we get a gun Luggar or similar class for Ogryn.

[long citrus]

I need help with "Abhor the Mutant" penance.
I'm having trouble killing it in 1 hit (heavy attack) on Uprising. And Sedition almost doesn't spawn them at all.

I tried the Axe, tried dagger. Any tips / focus I should know?

[burnt pendant]

I'm sure experimenting on a few captives to invent a new club is perfectly fine with the tech priests. 🙂

[twin swallow]

Any idea what's the highest rating a white weapon can roll?
Was thinking, since the feats and traits on the weapons adds like 25x2+10x2=70 on an orange weapon which usually is around 450~460-ish, that should make the highest white rating to be around 380~390 or so purely from the stats bars?

[bleak maple]

today in 5 hours of gaming i got 6-7 error codes (2002 , 2003 ) = server crash

[digital orbit]

Hey folks. Wondering whether anyone knows if there's something that gets lost in translation or if I'm just stupid.
The penance for the zealot (not sure about the english name, playing on a german client) where you have to kill 50 mobs within 10 seconds of a blitz, does that count for one mission? Or does that count for a single blitz grenade?

[little atlas]

Sounds about right

[burnt pendant]

What is the maximum on a stat bar, anyways? I always assumed it was 100? Never checked, how would I.

[little atlas]

Depends on the type of weapon/stat

[burnt pendant]

So you mean on one weapon, a full damage bar is 50 rating points, and on another, it's 80? I don't mean the actual damage output, just how many points go into a full bar.

[little atlas]

(though what's going to be shown in the frontend might end up being something between 1 and 100... but the "actual" stat is going to be something else)

[rich cobalt]

god. the aim down sight controller bugs with the hellbore and sighted autoguns is kicking my ass

[little atlas]

What I mean is... 80 points on a Hammer might mean something different than 80 points on a Saber since it's translated into values that can be used multiplicative in damage formulas

[twin swallow]

Ever seen a white roll that high? The stuff in the shop are usually around 300~330 level for whites, wonder if they are limiting the "good" whites to the post-mission Gifts only

Or just capping the whites and greens in general so we can't do the "get a good white to upgrade to orange" thing

[little atlas]

So if by "Rating" you mean "how much of the bar is filled", then that's essentially a percentage... and those are usually between 0% and 100%

[burnt pendant]

If each bar can house a hundred points, I would assume the maximum to be around 400, and higher rarities going maybe a 100 higher.
400 would allow a weapon to be really good, but not get more then 3 full bars. 350 obviously also works.

[spring needle]

Any tips for when the game keeps crashing when you try to join a mission?

[little atlas]

β = β

[burnt pendant]

Stop trying to join a mission. Helps every time. Doesn't actually help, though. On a more serious note, hard for us to tell. We have no further information, we are not tech support, it is a beta.

[patent sapphire]

what does +% power do?

is that damage?

[little atlas]

Yeah, %power is a damage buff

[burnt pendant]

In previous tide games, "power" was a general thing, that included damage, stagger, cleave. Not sure if that's changed. there are damage buffs, after all.

[coral matrix]

isn't it like in VT where power basically boosts everything?

[little atlas]

(% impact is a stagger damage buff)

[digital orbit]

Be lucky you have stats in traits to begin with. In some languages it simply says "x% for every hit that hits x or more foes, stacks x times"

[little atlas]

BUT some of the ratings overlap in what they do - Finesse and Defence for example

[idle goblet]

i got one at lv 11 last night but i dont think that was supposed to happen

[scenic bronze]

anyone else having mic issues in the game?

[burnt pendant]

I thought finesse was the finesse multipliers, that is, weakpoint damage? Mobility and defence would overlap, though. And if a weapon has both, defence may not buff a mobility stat thatit does on a weapon that does not have a mobility stat. 👀

[drifting harbor]

power likely just gets thrown into the buff damage calculation so functionally its just an unspecialized damage buff

[little atlas]

As someone else said, an Update recently changed when stuff unlocks...

[idle goblet]

the weapon levels seemed bugged at the time, i had almost every available ogryn weapon spawning in shop at 11

edit oh cool!

[little atlas]

You're right, I misremembered. Defence and Mobility overlap... and if the combination of both bars are over 100%, some of the actual stat is lost since it is capped

[burnt pendant]

Here's hoping the unlock changes don't work like in VT2, where they changed a weapon unlock to a lower level, unlocked when you reach that level, and then the people already higher up didn't get it at first. 🤦‍♂️

Because I'm still hoping for that flame staff. It will completely kill what's left of my fps.

[little atlas]

That staff will not only set your enemies but also your GPU on fire

[split coral]

Anyone know what the difference between penetration and shredder on the chainsword?

[rigid wasp]

I keep seeing it thrown around item level is based off your current highest, is this 100% confirmed? Or speculation bc VT

[little atlas]

Speculation because VT... not actually confirmed.

[split coral]

also, as anyone seen a disruption mission this week?

[ivory iron]

Anyone know the difference between the 3 Lucius Helbore lasguns? I have mk 1/2/3 and the only difference i can tell is mk 2 charges the fastest, MK 1/2 hit way harder than mk 2 with a full charge. They all do similar no charge damage. Basically they all seem far too similar

[spare cedar]

Is it possible this week to get the headgear for classes now?

[split coral]

I've seen vets and ogres with hats

I'm blocked by a disruption mission for my psyker hood

[burnt pendant]

If you managed to play on the first day of beta, you might've been lucky.

[rare cliff]

What is going on with Hab Dreko, it crashes every fucking time?

[tired crown]

Yep! As long as you finished the dust mission on the first day.

[slender onyx]

I'm having the same experience. I'd avoid quick play for now

[rare cliff]

this game is so tiresome, the crashes and bugs are overwhelming

[split coral]

the game technically isn't even officially released yet

[rare cliff]

How does Heresy still have "Endless Hordes" on every single roll for a week?

[limber peak]

hey guys what is best level 25 feat for ogryn?

[grizzled sparrow]

Is it me or the purgatus staff for psyker is underwhelming?

[slender onyx]

Yeah that's throwing me off lol, idk if there's some kind of event on but, as a result I think less people are joining my Heresy runs, which means they're likely to fail with no/fewer extra people. I enjoy a challenge but, I thought these were meant to rotate lol.

[split ibex]

what does wound stat do?

[split coral]

it's the bars on your HP

[split ibex]

the recovering bar?

[slender onyx]

And also now that we know Heresy missions are needed for a later headgear I'd think they'd want extra incentive to run those missions, but omg the modifier won't go away!

[split coral]

you lose a wound every time you die, the parts that turn purple

[split ibex]

aaaaa ok, so i get one more square health bar

[signal burrow]

Any tips for Veteran “On Overwatch” penance?

[bold saffron]

@signal burrow None from me even tho I have it done lol

[flat sable]

what does "Ignore enemy hit mass" actually mean?

[split coral]

I assume your weapon won't stop when you swing at them

[signal burrow]

Trial and error it is 🤟🏻

[burnt pendant]

Probably higher cleave, yeh

[flat sable]

okay cause its between that and "+17.5% cleave"

[bold saffron]

@signal burrow I got it because a Error Code 2007 hit me and My team waited to extract and i got back

[rich smelt]

Best way to do this?

[signal burrow]

@bold saffron reckon an alt+f4 will work? 🤣

[bold saffron]

No

[worthy ore]

at what point is the dude going to start selling pupple and orange stuffies?

[signal cipher]

Endless hell

[rich smelt]

I think there are no purple weapons for "gold"

[bold saffron]

@signal burrow What Level Sharpshooter do you have

[signal cipher]

Ew earn it coward

[flat sable]

the weekly guy sells purples and oranges

[signal burrow]

Like 16

[rigid wasp]

What does Shredder do exactly?

[bold saffron]

@signal cipher Ngl I would say that mission is a definante earn it coward cause its by far imo the best Drip for sharpshooter

[bold saffron]

get higher before you attempt cause you don't have all the skills that assist with it iirc

[signal cipher]

It's a challenge for a reason, get good. Avoid melee, showoff drip

[signal burrow]

Alright, cheers folks

[restive tulip]

the Shredder stat influences how much damage your special revved attack does on chainsaw weaponry

[rigid dock]

do grimoires passively give corruption or is it just the set 25% like in vt? cause i swear i felt like they increase passively too besides the 25%

[oblique orbit]

hello, i have a problem with the game crashing with every character except for veteran, anyone knows why this happens? this happens when i start a mission

[white saffron]

can someone tell me what Hit Mass means?

[rigid wasp]

Thanks bud

[signal cipher]

Oh yes they do, they give a chunk and then slowly add more, having a game where your Max hp is 28 and still going down is terrorizing and I loved it

[bold saffron]

Because Veteran is Best

[rigid dock]

[bold saffron]

Though there is a Bug if your in the wargear menu and the match begins it crashes your game

[oblique orbit]

for me it just crashes everytime i join a game

[bold saffron]

Level 20 is the Lowest I'd recmmend any Serious attempt cause you get Camo Expert at level 20 as a Perk

[rigid wasp]

Another odd one, does attack speed make things like the Chain axe/sword do their special animation attack faster?

[signal cipher]

Yeah I wish I waited to get that before going through hell and back

[bold saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/quiet-elmer-fudd-gif-22364720

@signal cipher basically how too get the achievement lol

[ebon belfry]

Does the ogryn's talent that increase his aura's ability to replenish toughness by 100 percent also applyon toughness gained by melee attacks? Or does it only apply on the toughness coherency replenishment?

[bold saffron]

btw Dregs are the Armored Sons of Bitches Like traitor guard right?

[steel copper]

Mission Aborted babey, let's gooooooooo

[signal cipher]

Coherency, I believe it also cuts the time in half for the time to start regening, it's good if your trying to do a bodyguard play style

[raw mango]

whats the best armour pen gun for zealot

[dawn fox]

keep crashing every time I try to queue for a mission kek

[plain nimbus]

nope those are scab. dregs are the guys in robes

[bold saffron]

Ah rgr @plain nimbus I just got a Kill 750 of em with Ranged lol so i was just checking

[abstract maple]

bolter

[signal cipher]

Which honestly, I wish the names where the other way around lol

[little atlas]

Both SCAB and DREG have armored units... DREGS are more "wasteland" or "desert" themed with bandages and stuff

[undone inlet]

psykers clearly have the best drip

[signal cipher]

They have small differences in game play

[plain nimbus]

each mission spawn one or the other. and range is not so bad since most of them are gunners anyway so it's better than have to run at them while being peppered to death.

[restive tulip]

I think dregs make sense. Dregs are the deplorable underhive gangers, or “dregs of society.”
No clue why traitor guardsmen are called Scabs though

[burnt pendant]

You mean there's different factions? I can't keep them apart.

[restive tulip]

I really like the mild gameplay distinction they have with having less body armor than traitor guard though

[signal cipher]

And some different units

[little atlas]

On day-1 there was a DISRUPT mission in a desert-themed area (more on the outskirts of Tertium), the DREGS are at home there.

[signal cipher]

Tox flamers are always dreg. Meanwhile scabs have snipers, just as an example

[sick salmon]

if you have a bolter, pop ur passive in a large group of enemies and then use your ult to get the damage boost and go full auto into the group of enemies

[burnt pendant]

Ahh, ok, that explains it. I couldn't play the first 3 days (even took a half day of vacation 😢 ) Because the EAC wouldn't start with msi afterburner on (so my GPU performance is even lower than it could be).

[restive tulip]

I noticed if multiple Dreg melee units are bunched up and coming for you, they’ll chant stuff in unison like “RISE, RISE, RISE” and I think that’s spooky

[jade venture]

V spooky

[little atlas]

The closest comparison to Dregs is "Mad Max Fury Road"

[spiral thorn]

Do weapons have innate crit chance? If so do any weapons have increased crit chance?

[signal cipher]

A poxwalker horde sometimes chant "Flies" until the horde ends

[slender onyx]

I thought it was "Fight, fight, fight" lol

[spiral thorn]

One weapon has a stat labelled "assassination" do we have any idea what this stat does?

[little atlas]

You mean in the "Categorisation" section over the bars-section?

[slender onyx]

Ayyy, just got the penance to headpop 5 elites in 10 seconds on Heresy+. Can add that to the list of penances where my advice is just "Run solo Damnation missions until you get a lucky mission start and do it" lol

[signal cipher]

That's not a stat¿?? It's more of a description which is short for "single target, high damage, fast attack speed"

[little atlas]

"Assassination" is a moveset category

[signal cipher]

something you can figure out for yourself if you merely think for a few moments

[dawn leaf]

https://gyazo.com/703be6b7aa47a708e22c5b6e4211f547

what is the type exist for this quest

[little atlas]

Did you play a "Repair" mission yet?

[slender onyx]

It's hard to say what mission type you're missing. They added a "Repair" mission yesterday. Otherwise you might be missing a mission type that isn't available right now, like "Disruption"

[rich smelt]

But 15 bullets is enough? 😮

[dawn leaf]

yes

[sick salmon]

yes

[rich smelt]

Thank you mate!

[little atlas]

Disruption was only available on Day-1 but it will return once the Obese Shark has fixed whatever they considered "borked"

[dawn leaf]

i think its disruption

[slender onyx]

Then yep, hopefully that'll be back soon! I also need to do that one on Malice and Heresy for the fancy hats

[spiral thorn]

Ur right im getting terms confused

[little atlas]

The "Categorisation" is losely connected to https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1043973471060901888/Weapon_Icons.png

[spiral thorn]

In vermintide some attacks and weapons had innately higher crit chance, do we know if this is the case for dark tide? Im looking at trying preacher and the crit skills are calling out to me

[crimson dagger]

Very useful, they really need to actually describe the modifiers in game

[little atlas]

Not really afaik.

[keen basalt]

activate windows

[topaz condor]

lvl 25, is this a buy on Zealot?

[undone inlet]

no

[plain nimbus]

some say knives and tactical axes have higher crit chance but idk personally

[little atlas]

looks good to me, you can cut through armored targets like through warm butter with that

[spiral thorn]

What is the in game indication you scored a crit? Just so i can test out if different weapons seem to crit more often

[cerulean pelican]

how good is parry damage? I can't test it on meatgrinder because they dont attack?

[little atlas]

In the Psykarnium it has differently colored damage number. HS is orange and Crit is yellow if I remember correctly

[spiral thorn]

Am i correct to assume that weapons with a mobility stat give a passive boost to movement or sprinting? Or does the stat indicate an increase to dodge distance?

[little atlas]

Mobility affects BOTH dodging and sprinting

[burnt pendant]

Oh, so Parry actually requires enemies attacking. That explains why I couldn't figure it out.

[scarlet zodiac]

You are missing Disruption. Was taken out due to glitche

[cedar mountain]

just got the "On Overwatch" Penance in public matchmaking , this feat , and staying between teamates helps alot

[untold herald]

whats chip damage? i see people talking about it

[little atlas]

When you are hit in melee, you take health damage despite having Toughness

[lapis meadow]

who can help me with achivement? i am ogryn 30 lvl i ceed to push 4 ogryns in the same time for new top cloth , please

[restive tulip]

Yeah this, mind the damage is way less than if you had no toughness at all

[little atlas]

Yeah. Depleted Toughness means 100% health damage, Full Toughness means 10% health damage (the percentages obviously refer to the amount of damage the hit would do)

[plain nimbus]

boi that's a lot of scab

[jaunty cobalt]

So, is there a maximum Ilvl that the armory can drop? I cant seem to get above 400

[lapis meadow]

yes u can

[jaunty cobalt]

I have a 455 from the weekly and a 417 from a sheer grace but the armory isnt keeping up with this. 2 86 curios and a 92

[little atlas]

it's not an itemlevel... but you can get over 400. The Item Rating is tied to the Rarity so it'll be more likely to get 400+ on blue and orange items than on grey and green

[lapis meadow]

if this is orange i think

[safe cobalt]

Did they fixed buged penances for some people that got stuck at lets say 7/7?

[jaunty cobalt]

I've never ever seen an orange in the armory. I didn't even think it was possible to get there

[little atlas]

Also: Curios will always be significantly lower in Itemrating than Weapons (due to it being a RATING... and not a level)

[jaunty cobalt]

6 armory rolls, all sub 400 even on blues. I think i saw a 407 once but that was probably me hallucinating from all this warp i snort mid combat

[little atlas]

From what I understand, the shop is tied to your actual level... and not to your gear. But take that with a grain of salt

[jaunty cobalt]

I'm 30 psyker, got all but 2 penance xD

[little atlas]

Fair... but the whole evaluation of "item rating" will really start once the "Shrine of the Omnissia" is released (aka "crafting")

[jaunty cobalt]

Well, 3* but i cant get the 7 missions because they dont exist.. and yeah but that's not really helpful for another 6 days. Im more concerned that the armory for me is either bugged and not following along anymore or its so hilariously rare for high Ilvl gear too spawn in it for an hourly roll that I'm basically stuck and praying for an emp gift that's not a gray laspistol LOL

In only playing psyker for this beta so I dont ruin the other classes for myself post release v,v

[little atlas]

Keep in mind that some grey items might have better base stats than green or blue ones

[jaunty cobalt]

Unlikely since Ilvl has to do with stat allotment from what I've seen, and the hilariously broken math on the sub abilities such as lacerator, elite damage, infested damage, ect effortlessly make up for any strange differences in actual power scale.

[little atlas]

PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH... Crafting will go live in patch 1.0.8

[jaunty cobalt]

Oooh, when is that dropping?

[little atlas]

It's not an itemlevel... which means that higher rarity items of the same "basic stat" will ALWAYS - NO EXCEPTIONS - have higher rating. But since you can upgrade the rarity of an item, that will also increase its rarity by adding perks and traits... but keeping the base stats

[random belfry]

Is the "kill 750 dreg" mission bugged? I can't find any mission that has mobs that increase the count....

[keen idol]

hi does difficulty affect the chance/rarity of gear at the end of a mission?

[little atlas]

see #📢news-bulletin

[jaunty cobalt]

Oh shit, right now? LOL hold up. I need to go experiment!

[unborn pilot]

sounds like i should restart the game >.>

[little atlas]

Yeah, Steam already wants to download it

[unborn pilot]

it's 4.5 gig

[quick veldt]

what skins are in the store

[little atlas]

Don't know yet... still downloading

[jaunty cobalt]

Also, i call it an item level because its literally a scaling number generally tied to the gear and its strength. 397, 398, 399 ect. It is definitely tied to rarity, strength, and over all performance. My 455 sword is a gift from the god like figure Sir Melk and it out performs so many others in its class in the terms of numbers and capability in the meatgrinder

Higher rate, higher hate it seems. Also ilvls just a general use term at this point haha

[little atlas]

Yes and no. More doesn't automatically mean "better". Some Traits don't affect damage at all but still increase the rating... so an item with a lower rating might easily do more damage than one with a higher rating

[odd brook]

So I'm level 20 and I have not seen a Purple rarity item show up in the store once, is that normal? it was not like that in the CBT

I do have one from an emperor's gift but I'm just not sure that it is supposed to be that way.

[alpine flicker]

If you are hit in the back!

[unborn pilot]

makes perfect sense that you can't buy higher rarities with the super easy to obtain currency

[odd brook]

I think you can though, if you scroll up someone is asking about buying a Legendary rarity item in the shop?

[unborn pilot]

meliks shop

[random sparrow]

Is the Disruption Type mission not in rotation currently?

[little atlas]

Correct. It was on day-1 but was removed due to a glitch

[odd brook]

Is this a change that was made in from the CBT? though, I wanted to confirm that it wasn't just bad luck.

[random sparrow]

ahh dang, thanks though

[unborn pilot]

it's not bad luck. i've not seen or heard of one from the easy vendor since this started

[odd brook]

Ah, I was saving my weekly mission coins because even though I've done them all it wasn't enough to get the Legendary rarity heavy stubber figured I'd try again in 3 days

Hope there's a decent legendary weapon

[stoic scroll]

How do you tell what Force staff fires what damage? I think the electric ones have the Focused Channeling on but Im, not sure how to tell the fire and ground AOE ones before buying them?

[dim blade]

Just wondering, is there a way to increase the Quell speed for just having Brain Burst selected?

I find it is MUCH faster to just swap to my staff to drain Perils; and was wondering if that's just part of the intended

[stoic scroll]

I do the same tbh

Especially if the staff has a really good quell speed on it.

[livid olive]

does anyone know the name of the braced autogun that has a higher fire rate when aiming?

[dim blade]

When you inspect a weapon it should show you what their primary and secondary attacks do: Void Strike is the Warp Ball/Grenade where Void Detonation is the Ground Targetting AoE.

Smite is the Lightning.

Coruscation is the flames.

[spiral thorn]

It makes sense, maybe the staves have some sort of conduit that helps calm the psykers roiling energies

You also move faster when quelling with a staff

[dim blade]

That's what I was thinking; I was just wondering if anyone had found a way to increase the Brain Burst one; because even my Force Sword is faster, lol.

I might just skip over the quelling at full speed if just swapping to the staff is better.

[graceful atlas]

Can you edit stats with crafting?

[lapis raven]

does the psyker's no-quell-move-slowdown perk also apply to weapon-quelling?

[fickle citrus]

What are vets using for abilities for pure range builds? Having a hard time picking the level 20 skill

[slow crest]

Bought a skin for funsies

[mortal nexus]

Yes it does, force staff and sword

[raven dove]

theres a place to buy stuff??

[slow crest]

Weapons also say how much extra stamina they give now, did they always do that?

[unkempt trout]

not sure now, but if the camo feat is on level 20, take that, you can usually stand still and reload in peace while your team gets obliterated

[slow crest]

The usual weapon shop, you can buy weapon skins and characters skins there now as well.

[fickle citrus]

Yeah it's camo, duck and dive (stamina for dodge range atk), or 75% range dmg reduction during special

[spiral thorn]

Is stamina at all based on class? When im an ogryn i feel like i got a billion stamina bars but it might be that all the ogryn weapons have higher stamina

[raven dove]

niccceee

[unkempt trout]

then camo it is, you won't need the range dmg reduction because they won't even shoot at you. just remember to utilise it, stick with the other players and you will get ignored. I'm not even exaggerating when I say that you will have to deal with like 3 poxwalkers attacking you in an endless horde

[uncut verge]

We don’t know but probably not.

[tawdry vortex]

been hearing there is a cheese for a preacher penance Just a Flesh Wound anyone know what it is?

[crimson dagger]

yeah camo is great. unless you get a game like i just had where your zealot decides they're a sharpshooter and runs away from all melee leading the horde over you :D.

Grenade skills seem really useful too, for thinning hordes and staggering

[sleek cedar]

this worth getting for zealot 🤔

[fickle citrus]

Nice. That'll give me openings to deal with the range. thanks!

[crude wolf]

Do the new weapon skins and stuff cost irl money, or is it in game currency?

[heavy stone]

Can't hop ingame rn - what does the Consecrate feature do? (edit: scratch the question, found it in patch notes)

[slow crest]

In-game currency, same you use to obtain weapons with.

[crude wolf]

Thank you!!!

[spiral thorn]

Enemy aggro feels alot easier to control in darktide compared to vermintide.

[wet thicket]

did the No Hit on Malice penance cheese get fixed in this update?

[slow crest]

There will also be premium skins that cost IRL money though at launch FYI.

[unkempt trout]

Just a heads up, on higher difficulties, you will have ammo problems, there's a lot of enemies and therefore you will use your ammo more

[sleek light]

They mentioned that you can now buy character skins and weapon skins in-game but I can't locate the vendor or am I just blind?

[slow crest]

It's just two new options at the same old weapon vendor.

[wet thicket]

it's in the gun store

[fickle citrus]

right now I'm running Kantrael MG XII infantry lasgun (730 rounds) and have my feats setup to one shot scabs. Seems like it'll be pretty effective

[sleek light]

Oh, seems like I played on the older patch since I pressed Rarity and my game crashed. I didn't have these options so I thought I was just blind, thanks

[rigid wasp]

what are some good curios for Psyker? I've been leaning towards wounds so I can blow myself up more often in harder missions but idk if that's a good idea or not

[little stream]

Still no new maps 😦

[honest gazelle]

heads up make every last shot count's killshot chestpiece isnt really worth anymore unless you like the black color scheme, it now has the same gloves as most other vet cosmetics

[patent sapphire]

do we know when diamantine starts showing up? i got 10 from a malice level mission but never saw it on the ground

[kindred raptor]

Most of the damage perks on melee weapons seem to not be working or im just stupid, ive been testing for the better part of an hour and its p much non existent any other reports?

[unborn pilot]

looks like the top one can come from any mission, but what are the boxes? i don't remember those from CBT

[vapid pivot]

how can i get the twicht drops camo? I have it unlocked but I didn't get it yet.

[fickle citrus]

How are we prioritizing curio stats for vet now that toughness was nerfed?

[stuck ridge]

So there's a Vet Penance to complete a mission on Malice or Harder without taking Melee damage. How have people been doing this? I feel like you want a strat involving an Accatran for mowing down hordes, probably to try and find a "Fewer Hordes" mission, and a weapon with decent block, but I haven't managed it yet.

Are there any particular maps where people have been having luck for this?

[prisma jackal]

from what I've heard, you play through malice, alt-f4 right before the end, then rejoin

[upbeat cipher]

is this worth?

[stuck ridge]

Oh, lmao, that's an exploit XD.

"Perfectly Balanced, as al things should be"

[rich smelt]

How do you salvage items for mats?

[patent sapphire]

if you’re not doing that, put on the feat that makes enemies target you less and play very passive and hope your teammates can carry you

[stoic scroll]

Unless is changed in patch you dont, salvage only gives money.

[rich smelt]

So you think it might be a bug?

When MTX shop?

[stuck ridge]

I do have that perk, it's my favorite on the Vet. Just sit by a Data Interrogator and provide fire support to your allies, then smash that E button in relative safety whenever Hadron starts getting angery

[stoic scroll]

Did you get crafting mats then? I thought all mats came from stuff you find in missions.

[cinder copper]

could someone explain to me which mission is Mission Excise Vault Spireside-13?

[rich smelt]

I don't know. I didn't do a mission after the patch (yet)

[spice plank]

plasteels now spawn in levels, gotta scavenge for them

[stoic scroll]

Ah OK, I did one and got some plassteel so I know that is working.

[stuck ridge]

Also, I just wanna throw out some appreciation for the "Tooltips."

"Death comes for us all," "Thou shalt Kill," and "Even the strong fear the Wrath of the Righteous"

[rich smelt]

What is plassteel? That thing that looks like a tube?

[stuck ridge]

Also the Barber is available !

[jagged bane]

Look at that trait :3 it would be awsome on electric staf but whoa anywany

[little stream]

so the shrine of the omnissiah is open? where? i don't see it next to the psykarium

[unborn pilot]

might need to relaunch the game. its that big open area to the right of sir melik

[lapis raven]

it's just opposite the psykarium

[vale herald]

crazy i need that 😄

[bronze goblet]

hadron

[little stream]

isnt hadron in a tube

[last smelt]

I want an ogryn voice line where he pronounces it "Hardon"

[little stream]

oh ok i didnt look there before my cat unplugged my computer

[lapis raven]

oh, rip

[mortal wasp]

Cat just wants the cuddles

[twilit bough]

Why did they change the gloves? For the killshot the heresy penance I know its a small thing but also not really ALL the other tops have those fingerless gloves except the kill shot and then they just said nope fuck that and gave it copy and paste? Why? Was it too unique for its own good? Afraid people would rather have that then shill for other cosmetics. THeres gotta be a reason for the change I for one liked the old gloves thought they were nice and had a good look to em, and its not like they were place holder they were unique gloves to the veteran. They had wrappings around the index and middle finger on the right hand, they had lil tags there you can see. Why the change fat shark? Gimme my gloves back

[lapis raven]

bro it's a pair of gloves just wait until the old ones cycle into the cosmetic store; or yknow complain hard and see if they revert it, either's fair tbh

[twilit bough]

Why do I gotta wait for that when I had em and was taken whole reason for doing the penance was for it cause I wanted them then poof gone I will complain hard just don't make sense why they would change it

[rich smelt]

Cycle? those cosmetic cycle?

[normal tendon]

Also why are you posting that picture like it helps us see what cosmetic you mean?

[twilit bough]

Cause I'm taking about the gloves? Comparison of what they were before and after?

[lapis raven]

im going to assume the cosmetic shop, like the standard shop, is yknow randomised

[little stream]

i think they're static for now

or at least ive only seen the same things in it even when it "resets"

[normal tendon]

We can’t see the gloves in the image bud. It’s just a vague silhouette

[twilit bough]

Because its dark leather, can't get a better image when its not there anymore to pull from you can see the finger wrappings that was on it look hombre look with ya eyes less you been shooting blind this whole time

[grave heart]

game isn't showing the 'NEW perk!' icon for any weapons for me. anyone else getting this bug?

[shadow sorrel]

Do we know the cap on item rating yet?

[little stream]

i don't think anyone has reached it but higher than 500

[cursive olive]

does anyone has tips for make every shot count penance ?

[bleak maple]

The new skins are so bad i want to donate my eyes after looking at it

[stuck ridge]

I mean that's certainly a take. Personally, I kinda like the Camo armors for the Vet

[normal tendon]

If you really wanted to cheese it you could just bring as low an ammo weapon as you have and pick a mission with an endless horde at the end, then just waste your ammo slowly on the horde

[cursive olive]

i don't really want to grief other people with a revolver

[quick veldt]

Zealot flamethrower. Unless it’s patched.

[normal tendon]

I mean the other option is just don’t miss

[cursive olive]

guess i will just wait for them to change the penance or level up a zealot. I have to finish

[normal tendon]

You can mag dump Ogryn shields I believe

[shut sand]

Can someone post a screenshot of the new cosmetics? I'm away from pc cuz thanksgiving

[lavish sky]

@paper coral Hey trying to get what are we suppose to do when weekly mission is not in game anymore as you guys took it out, but you guys also made it so you can only reset like 3 times and then you can't reset weeklies anymore?

[long citrus]

Does the revolver count for Sharpshooter's penance, last 5 bullet to kill 5 enemies?

[cursive olive]

yes that's how i did it

[paper coral]

It's a beta innit, wont be an issue once the service is live

[lavish sky]

why was there a limit added on resetting weeklies though and why is it so low? at start you guys didnt have it then added it midway?

[burnt pendant]

Ohhh, crafting is actually in? I didn't take it seriously when that was said in discord. Dayum

[misty lynx]

all right how the hell do I get the killshots punishment uniform ive been looking everywhere

[honest crater]

Oggy woggy won’t you stop me

[bronze goblet]

Not really crafting, more like upgrading

[cold tiger]

how do you upgrade stuff?

[bronze goblet]

Get your item. Get some plasteel from missions. Lug it on over to Hadron.

[arctic coyote]

Is 450 the max Item level at the moment?

[bleak maple]

my gun says +20% damage to maniacs , wat enemies are maniacs?

[honest ice]

what are the best traits for ogryn shield

[cold tiger]

i have never seen plasteel in my life

[lavish sky]

just trying to understand design choice behind letting people reset so little per week but theres a scaling gold cost? but doesnt even get to 7500 with way you guys rebalanced it midway. Isnt this a PVE game? why not just infinite resets that just scale on gold seems alot smarter and shows you care about your playerbase more, otherwise people are just going to have shitty weeks they dont want to play

[cold tiger]

restart game? has there been an update?

[bronze goblet]

There was a 4g update when I logged on this morning

[lavish sky]

like i'd get it if any resources were shared between your character but it just seems like system is made to be as annoying as possible atm

idk if thats to sell cosmetics as your planning to get cosmetics with same currency or something but its wack lol\

[honest crater]

The Oggy woggy ate all the plasteel and diamante

What are Aquilas

[pale musk]

whats the new update about?

[bleak maple]

my gun says +20% damage to maniacs , wat enemies are maniacs?

[rich smelt]

Fellow Ogryns out there, which one is better?

[prisma jackal]

Penance. finish heresy mission with no ammo & 100% accuracy

[storm laurel]

momentum definitely, 5% extra damage is menial

[honest crater]

Brutal momentum all the way

[rich smelt]

Even if I barely kill?

[dull carbon]

What is enemy hit mass?

[honest crater]

The Emperah shall kill for you Oggy woggy

[rich smelt]

No bodyblock from monsters

[rain dew]

having a really hard time getting abhor the mutant. any tips?

[misty lynx]

thats killshots duty

[rich smelt]

Be patient, you have to be a bit lucky by last hitting the Mutant with the attack while charging

[stuck ridge]

I did it on like my second mission by laying into him with a Kantrael, then when he got close I charged and slashed at the earliest opportunity

[tepid gust]

do you keep mats on pickup or do you have to finish the match ?

[uncut verge]

Last few mission cycles every single secondary objective has also had Endless Horde... JFC

[fallen rock]

These just seem impossible

[frosty drift]

Where do I go to craft items and can I change my hair/face stuffs?

[honest crater]

Future classes won’t be free?

[uncut verge]

Oh sorry, there's a D5 Grimore mission without a modifier

[graceful atlas]

If you make a second character of one class,will cosmetics you got from pennances come by default?

[prisma jackal]

Craft - next to psykanium
Haircut - next to armoury

[stuck ridge]

I like endless hordes...

[prisma jackal]

yes

[stone eagle]

are the resources linked to the character like gold or are resources usable on whatever operative you are on?

[uncut verge]

all resources are per character

[topaz dawn]

do the bulwark shield hits count?

[chilly dome]

So we know what the max power level of weapons is? Highest I’ve seen is 450 something,

[hollow flame]

So uh... what does rating actually do?

[uncut verge]

It's the number of points for distribution

0-100 for each stat bar, 25 for each perk and 6-10 per trait

[hollow flame]

Does that mean a higher rating weapon with a lower damage value does less damage?

[lapis raven]

yeah

[uncut verge]

of the same weapon type, yes

each weapon types bar has diff min/max values for the damage stat

[fallen rock]

Any idea for this?

[outer sierra]

what's the best 25 talent for preacher?

[lapis raven]

level up enough that you have shrine access, i'd assume

[cold tiger]

never heard of a shrine, might be not added yet

[hollow flame]

Does that mean a higher rating white will have more points in the bars?

[long citrus]

Do you have to finish the mission in order for the penance to keep? Or can I just do it, and fuck off the mission?

[thin rampart]

Did they nerf the eviscerator? I used to be able to one shot crushers with a special + charge on my zealot with it on Malice difficulty

[keen wasp]

i've seen people running around with helmets, but i only am able to get 6/7 mission types. am i missing something?

[pale musk]

guys i feel a bit behind not being like over lvl 25 yet, is that accurate or am i in the middle on the population in that regard

[keen wasp]

i mean some people already maxed and started another character

[uncut verge]

Yes, a high rating White with near full stats is good for upgrading

[weak agate]

I've maxed 2 and my new lowest is vet at 15 lol

[pale musk]

yea thats why

[weak agate]

I just play on Heresy most of the time, you level faster

[keen wasp]

yeah but some people can't complete heresy

[azure cove]

Why do level 30's queue for t1's?

[weak agate]

what do you want me to do about it

[nocturne grove]

faster weekly

[uncut verge]

As far as we can tell, stats are fixed when a weapon is rolled.

The full crafting system will allow for rerolling traits, perks, and the % on them

[keen wasp]

weeklies, achievements, etc

[azure cove]

fair points.

[graceful atlas]

Weeklies and the lower end crafting mats farming.

[cerulean crown]

I mean, I know for me it's because I'm usually playing with friends and most of us are pretty casual, I don't find the higher difficulties all that fun or engaging with the dodge nerfs tbqh so like, why bother playing on harder difficulties if it's not fun?

(My friends are also like, level 5)

[keen wasp]

well if ur gonna recommend it at least know ur audience

[uncut verge]

Yeah, I’ll run heresy when I get to 30 for penance’s, will probably never do damnation lol

[weak agate]

I just pointed out why I level fast, not that he's behind because of it, Majority of all people don't even play Malice

[keen wasp]

fair enough

[cerulean crown]

Also I keep running into randos who are the lowest possible level for the difficulty tier and it's just exhausting to wipe because I can't carry as a single person in this game. (Some of that is a skill issue, some of that is just stuff like how toughness works.)

I've also noticed unlike VT2 where I knew for sure an enemy was about to attack me and roughly which direction in the horde they were coming from to turn to block, I just... can't seem to hear the audio cue for it when I need to in DT.

[uncut verge]

Yeah, enemies dropping from the ceiling right behind you

[austere rivet]

I wish they change the challenges the that was on VT2. Shit like "Make every shot count" is way too infuriating and boring.

[pale musk]

yea i get that, especially with pox bombers

[azure cove]

A level 30 is in this t1, ran a mile again and got tossed off a ledge by a mutant because we couldn't get to him

[uncut verge]

Had 2 ravagers, with a full horse wave, charge me with a bomber right behind them.

I was screwed

[cerulean crown]

Oh nooooooo. (Admittedly I have done this, in my defense I was on enough alcohol to be looking for scriptures in a T1.)

[pale musk]

i got hit by a hound and 2 pox flamers behind him, now thats fun

[azure cove]

It was to your point that 30's can't carry a game

[cerulean crown]

Yeah I get that, just also feels painful all around, my sympathies.

[uncut verge]

I can dodge or push stab hounds usually because of their audio.

Pox bombers need to be shot at distance but there was zero los due to the wave in front of him

[weak agate]

30's can carry games, it's just harder than in Vermintide

[tranquil merlin]

Anyone else getting error 9999

[pale musk]

i think they main difference to vermintide is just the amount of range enemies

[azure cove]

Level ain't shit if they just gonna get trapper'd

[uncut verge]

Which is why there’s toughness, but yeah

[weak agate]

Realistically this game is just ALOT slower than vermtinde and people just full send it in, it's a lot closer to a tactical shooter with good melee on higher difficulties

[tranquil merlin]

Level = amount of time played not skill

[candid idol]

I had Chipotle for lunch

[heavy stone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QlBkFN9RRw Just found this, veeery interesting. Good to see j_sat digging into DT the same way he did V2

[weak agate]

Level also equals higher power level and more damage

[uncut verge]

Not entirely, damage isn’t directly linked to power rating anymore. You can have a lower rating weapon with string damage stats

Will probably stuck in other areas like stability or mobility though

[hollow flame]

Do higher tier weapons have a higher budget per rating?

[uncut verge]

Rating is the stat budget

[hollow flame]

I saw earlier that perks and traits eat some of that

[little atlas]

Righer Rarity tools/gear automatically have higher Item Rating than their lower-tier counterparts (even with the exact same base stats)

[uncut verge]

Indeed

[heavy stone]

• traits add 10-25 more to that number. Two weapons can have identical power level, but the one with a trait will have (slightly) lower stats, afaik

[weak agate]

Guys what are you talking about being higher level gives you access to higher level weapons which have more power

[hollow flame]

So 2 weapons with the same rating, one white, and one orange, the white will have better stats

[little atlas]

Correct. If a WHITE and an ORANGE have the same item rating, then the white one is significantly better

[heavy stone]

We're discussing how power level is related to stats, Maul. You're correct that higher level pushes the upper limit of the gear you can get, that's just not what we're discussing atm

[idle goblet]

yes but its more complicated than that. the power level number on a weapon is split across 5 stats so one you get at level 20 might have a higher number but do lower damage than one you get at 15

[rigid wasp]

not in every case, i have lower gear scored weapons that are more powerful than some higher gs weapons that i own

[uncut verge]

higher power rating, which does mean more stat points. However you could have a rating 200 and a rating 400 revolver with the same damage stats

[raw mango]

whats the best hoard killing weapon for zealot

[uncut verge]

Flamer & Eviscerator

[idle goblet]

eviscerator or thunder hammer imo (emphasis evis)

[weak agate]

ah yes I forgot a level 3 has higher damage stats on weapons than a level 30

[little atlas]

To some extend, yes. Shop-Items are gated by Item Rating... but that doesn't automatically mean that EVERY item you get at a higher level is better than what you had access to before

[uncut verge]

A level 3 weapon and a level 30 weapon of the same type has the same stat bars, so if the level 3 has a longer damage stat bar, THEN YES

[weak agate]

Clearly you don't understand what i'm saying

[little atlas]

Keep in mind that Effective damage depends on more than merely the Damage-Bar.

[idle goblet]

i dont think youre having the same conversation as others, maul. player level simply does not directly dictate power, and power level of the item doesnt itself directly indicate damage, since its filtered through stats.

[uncut verge]

Yeah, there's the penetration/cleave/etc stats. Also perks and traits can increase damage more as well.

In general, higher power rating is obviously better. But where the stats are allocated is vitally important is my MAIN point here, and how lower tiered gear can still hold up

[hollow flame]

How much of a difference does the damage bar actually do...

[idle goblet]

an item you get at level 3 will probably not deal damage like one you get at level 30 for sure. but theres a lot more going on than just player level.

[little atlas]

The Bars in the Item-Tooltip represent ABSOLUTE values... they do NOT represent values that scale with your level. So if you find a L3 item with a fully maxed Damage Bar, then that item will ABSOLUTELY do more raw damage than a L30 item with only 1/3 of it's damage bar filled

[uncut verge]

Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QlBkFN9RRw

We don't have all the info for the min/max on every weapon available to us, but that info is coming

[heavy stone]

The devs did mention that they're aware we want better stat transparency, keep eyes peeled for the 30th

[weak agate]

any weapon of higher of much higher rating will have more damage "effectively" than one that is massively lower, from pen to finese so you hit more making you do more damage, saying one is higher then yeah you're right, but reducing a weapons effectiveness to a single stat doesn't make sense, because it will still have higher effective damage

[uncut verge]

Yes, BIG UI update with breakdown of all the stat values

Will make decisions on what is better much easier.

[heavy stone]

Thank god for that XD

[vocal ore]

so lightning staff, how does overheat work with it because it seems to be making me overdo it somehow unlike others. also how does charging the secondary work does it increase damage? does it even do aoe damage or just stun the others? i cannot tell

[uncut verge]

Some stat hounds are also working on tools that will help you find the breakpoints you need for different difficulties

[bleak maple]

plasma gun sucks af!

[little atlas]

As I said, since Shop Items are Item Rating Gated by your actual player level, increasing your player level will give you access to more powerful items... but not everything you can buy at a higher level will automatically do more effective damage than things you had access to before.

[weak agate]

I made a point of saying massive level differences for a reason

[idle goblet]

even then, if the differences are in defense and mobility for example and the damage bar is the same, it probably wont deal much if any more damage

[little atlas]

Well, the Bonus-Traits and Bonus-Attributes on Orange Items account for up to 70 "rating"... so if you have a white 350 item and an orange 400 item, then that white one is better in terms of base stats.

[uncut verge]

Most of the time, yes... but really bad stat and perk/trait rolls could make a very high rating weapon pretty useless

[nova cipher]

with yalls convo ... if it'll load ... trying to decide which is better

[vocal ore]

fr why does lightning staff just kill me whats different about it

[heavy stone]

The big problem I've had with lack of stat transparency is that it's hard to tell that, even within the exact same weapon type/mark, XYZ weapon will differ between ABC weapon. It's been tricky knowing if say, this low-# weapon just rolled high on damage while this high-# weapon rolled low on it, and so forth

[uncut verge]

worse is trying to compare weapons of DIFFERENT types since the min/max values are totally different the bar comparisons are worthless practically

[little atlas]

Praise Omni-Sah!

[mellow sage]

how long does Efficiency last ?

[sour flower]

the new cosmetic store, do the clothes change aswell? or just the weapons

[little atlas]

Clothing (or more precisely re-colorings of already existing looks) are found with the Lobotomized Vendor

[sour flower]

yeah, but do they change and do they rely on penances?

[fathom python]

Does anyone know what the max power rating for weapons is, or for curios?

[humble helm]

hey does the heavy stubber heavy trigger delay when firing or am I having latency

[little atlas]

For Weapons it has been speculated to be 500... but nobody actually knows.

[normal tendon]

What was the roll?

Also it’s Omnissiah you heretek!

[twin oasis]

is recon accatran better than kantrael mg Ia?

[fathom python]

The max I’ve seen is 460 in Sire Melk’s

[little atlas]

Omni-sah, as I said.
(at level 24)

[normal tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[fathom python]

I have two master curios as well, the higher one is 117.

[dull garden]

In some respects. It's more for focus on killing more enemies than focus fire, but it's definitely good at doing some sniping too

[sour flower]

so uhhh

[fathom python]

What lobotomised vendor where

[sour flower]

the normal one, the one you buy weapons from

[empty lava]

Crafting bugged? upgraded a wep and it keeps re-equiping the old one

[little atlas]

The "regular" vendor, not Sire Melk.

[fathom python]

Did they add crafting?

[uncut verge]

only weapon tier upgrading

[nova cipher]

yea, parts of it

[empty lava]

added upgrading

[little atlas]

Yes, somewhat.

[fathom python]

I haven’t been able to check on account of thanksgiving, thank you

[bold bronze]

Sadly they only added 1 out of 4 crafting things....so we have no clue what the crafting system will entail still.

[humble helm]

Does the heavy stubber has and initial firing delay before it starts shooting or am I getting input latency?

[arctic coyote]

They added upgrading system but is that crafting?

[fathom python]

Unrelated but does anyone have a suggestion for which low level Ogryn melee weapons to use? I have tried the club and the combat knife but not the shovel or cleaver

[left zephyr]

It's part of the crafting system, yes

[blissful flower]

They mention rerolling traits at the very least, and I think there was a mention of rerolling stats. So we don't have the full system yet

[empty lava]

Is the upgrading bugged? upgraded a wep and it keeps re-equiping the old one

[brazen obsidian]

amateur

[nova cipher]

Which of these is better in dmg?

[vocal ore]

first one blue

[empty lava]

The blue

[brazen obsidian]

nice perk, its single shot.....

[humble helm]

Does anyone know the 7 mission types? I know it's possible to get our helmets now. I have six out of 7

[cursive olive]

on the first day 17th there were the last mission type if you didn't play it that day just wait for it

[humble helm]

thanks

[amber cosmos]

is the input delay on the heavy stubber intended or a bug? because it's a little annoying

[paper light]

Guys, what does +cleave do anyway? I mean, I understand that it allows a swing to damage multiple things, but does +cleave improve the damage or?

[normal tendon]

It’s purely giving you more ability to hit targets in a horde. And slice through more armored dudes

[slow fossil]

do you need to buy items to get item with more power like in VT2?

[proper merlin]

rate

[slow fog]

Those traits are extremely good

[bitter gust]

So the cosmetics shop came out but the operative ones only apply to lower tier skins, more coming soon?

[normal tendon]

That’s really really good

Carapace and maniacs are also your main issues as a zealot.

[cerulean crown]

What level are you right now? Because I have access to all of them on my level 30 Psyker

[chrome thunder]

some tips on how to complete this one

[bitter gust]

im at 30 too

[normal tendon]

Practice in the meatgrinder first, get a feel for the arc of the nades, and how long it takes for it to detonate, then try it on a bridge

[slow fog]

Use quick throw, practice in the psykhanium

[cerulean crown]

Hhhhhuh.

Unrelated: Anyone broken down a higher rarity item to see if we get materials yet?

[dreamy marsh]

dont think you can break down items

[paper light]

@normal tendon What stats do you value the most for zealot on curios?

[cerulean crown]

You can discard them which at least before crafting gave gold, IDK if they added crafting mats to that

[jagged plover]

whats this insignia?
how is it obtained?

[dreamy marsh]

ill go test it

[slow fog]

Stats on curios depend on your class. Toughness is more effective on zealots etc

[normal tendon]

Health is really nice for them, toughness, stamina, try to have one extra down at least.

[grave heart]

got an apple pie in the oven

[proper merlin]

alright this game is just fucking with me now. I clicked on the evicerator and im 100% sure I bought it

[lilac talon]

You need to do 50 missions as Veteran I think

[normal tendon]

You get it from playing 50 games as the vet, each class has one.

[proper merlin]

then i look in my inventory I get a fucking combat axe that was nowhere on the menu. my evicerator got transformed into an axe

[limpid walrus]

Anyone wanna help out with Malleus Monstronum or Out with a bang?

[slow fog]

I believe that is 100 games as vet

[dreamy marsh]

you just get dockets still

[peak sluice]

I have a very similar Evi. I can strongly recommend that one.

[paper light]

Ahh, I was debating on buying it. Unfortunately, it just got cycled out. 😦

[peak sluice]

[slow fog]

Ah haha yeah that thing looked a horde lawnmower

[bitter gust]

quick throw them at the data interrogator on Chasm station

[fathom python]

Figure out the fuse delay and high toss them

[signal cipher]

You gotta be really far away, it's fairly simple, lol

[slow fog]

If you quick throw you only need to be like 25m away

[honest ice]

So what’s plasteel and the cubes for

[fathom python]

Crafting which is not fully implemented yet

[bold bronze]

Upgrade your item tiers (i.e. blue to purple) so far. There are more options for crafting, but they are still locked for some reason.

[silk light]

Some very wrong answers in here. If you throw the grenade at a very specific angle it will blow up in the air even close range. Practice it in the psykhanium, it's about 45-60 degrees up. And dont hold the fuse, just quick toss it.

[raw mango]

is there a list somewhere explaining what the key words under the weapon mean i.e ravage also are certain weapons set to have certain ones

[jagged plover]

how does the Voidstrike staff work? does holding RMB charge more damage? or just makes teh projectile go further? should i spam left click or hold down right click against bosses (1 target)?

[fathom python]

I think it does more damage but you can test it in the psykhanium

[loud oar]

cant equip curios, even after unlocking the 2nd slot like I read some people suggest. Any idea?

[slow fog]

Charging does more damage yes. Bosses youre probably better off brain bursting, unless they're assassination bosses then you should use a force sword

[fathom python]

I do know that it explodes in contact with first enemy but does continue traveling through unarmored/flak, pretty sure Carapace stops it

[mortal moat]

dont think dcing for penances works anymore just confirmed it

[echo root]

Ogryn question. If I take Towering pressence does this just mean other people get my coherency from 50% further or does it go both ways? Wanna know if it makes the hug people for the entire match thing easier

[slow fog]

You need to have two. It will let you equip only one then you can switch @loud oar

[loud oar]

I have two tho

[slow fog]

Try to equip the other one

[loud oar]

it worked, thanks

[stark stream]

I have an issues or is this normal? I completed all Weekly contracts, but still missing 5 Bronze coins? I havent used them, because i was saving for the Combat knife! I spent all time to rush all task to get it, but now i unable to get.. 😦

Anyone had same issues?

[formal atlas]

Is crafting material rewards increased for completion of bonus objectives etc?

[spiral thorn]

What does the game count as death for the zealots ability to trigger? Is it just getting downed?

[grave heart]

i think you just didn't make enough coins from your contracts, sorry m8. Next time you can reroll them for contracts that are harder to finish but pay more, thats what i did

[stark stream]

Ahh.. okay.. so i'm just unlucky to left with 5 missing bronze coins....

[exotic glacier]

Is the Shocking Stuff Penance for Preacher bugged? I know I have killed more then 50 in a single grenade stun but I still don't get the Penance.

[slow fog]

It may have the wrong difficulty listed, some of them do

[hollow wharf]

So when I use the thunder hammer I noticed that sometimes I'll do wide sweeps back to back after only heavy attacking once but others it makes me completely charge another heavy attack to sweep again. Is there a trick to keep sweep attacking or am I just doing it wrong somehow?

[tame escarp]

https://i.gyazo.com/9d6b414c986f7c4965ee224ce73d8bc5.png

How do I get "Beat'em up" unlocked?

[prisma jackal]

pretty sure heavy attacks back-to-back always sweeps

[hollow wharf]

So you have to charge another heavy? Some of the sweeps feel like they come out much faster and don't need to be charged

[real portal]

anyone know how you can find out which mission type is missing? can I see it looking at game files?
for penance

[fathom python]

Crits/perfect blocks/attack of opportunity

[hollow wharf]

I never block, so that can't be it, what triggers the attack of opportunity?

[slow fog]

I think in the missions tab, there is a complete X mission type Y times penance, check which ones have 0 progress

[fathom python]

Hitting an enemy during their audio stinger iirc

[real portal]

ah cool checking at once!

[slow fog]

Could be wrong, not at home at the mo

[hollow wharf]

Ahh okay, maybe that's it then. Sometimes I'll get like 3 sweeps back to back without charging and others I have go charge again to sweep, was wondering if there was something I was triggering that I didn't know about

[fathom python]

There is also just some straight up bugs with some of the charge attacks from experience, notably for me in psyker staffs, specifically trauma where it will immediately start charging regardless of input after release

[thorn beacon]

can you get the schocking stuff achievement for zealot on malice or do I have to be on heresy because I haven't made any progress towards it on malice

[hollow wharf]

I have yet to try the eviscerator, which do you think is better?

[fathom python]

Between what

[hollow wharf]

Thunder hammer vs eviscerator

[slow fog]

If you've made no progress, its probably on heresy. Can't say for certain though, as I haven't done it. Have earned a Psyker penance with the wrong difficulty listed though

[real portal]

Also, I have unlocked a few trinkets.. cant find them anywhere. any idea what I can do with trinkets?

[fathom python]

Evis is currently strictly superior afaik, the default AP that’s supposed to exist on thunder hammer is currently very under tuned

[gray hamlet]

What's the verdict on good main traits for curios? I play veteran so I've been stacking toughness curios due to vets high base toughness.

[hollow wharf]

Also having a hard time choosing between shotgun and flamer, flamer is amazing for hordes but shotgun feels better to close gaps and take out those pesky specials before I can get up to whack em

[slow fog]

They are weapon decoration probably. Go to a weapon, then the appearance section, then click the other tab and you should see your trinkets

[fathom python]

Max stamina, max health, max toughness. If this were Vermintide 2 I would say more important than all of those is curse/corruption resist but 🤷

[hollow wharf]

Cool deal, I'll snag an eviscerator and try it out tonight.

[serene laurel]

are crafting mats shared? if no, is there a timeline or something on when or if they will be? cause that would affect how long i spend on other characters quite heavily lol

[fathom python]

There is also a point where wounds are more useful than HP, but that’s only really on Heresy or higher, and stamina has diminishing returns for certain weapon types

[uncut verge]

Corruption resist is important for Grim missions

[real portal]

thanks buddy!

[fathom python]

I know but not every mission has grims like V2, so if you’re doing a grim mission I would suggest just having a trinket with corruption resist in your back pocket to equip in the lobby rather than have it on at all times when something else could be more useful in a normal mission.

Also straight up I do not know how corruption resist interacts with elite/special corruption damage

[slow fog]

I think they're separate, at least based on curios. There is corruption resist and corruption resist (grimoires)

[fathom python]

I have been attributing that to one more instance of borked repeated item descriptions but maybe you’re right?

[hollow wharf]

Is there a way to buy clothing anywhere? I saw a picture on Twitter with some buyable outfits and was wondering if it was legit or not

[slow fog]

No idea if thats how it works in practice, but it certainly seems that way. Realistically they should just make Grims cause a different colour to appear in your health and use a different name

[fathom python]

They just added it but you have to unlock the base clothing via penances to buy the reskins

[slow fog]

Yes at the store. There are new options when opening the store

[hollow wharf]

Oh wow that's cool. I haven't had a chance to get on today. Some of those penances are really hard

[sour flower]

so i got the "on overwatch" steam achievement but i didnt get the penance, is there like a restore or something (ive been asking for like 4 days)

[topaz dawn]

has anyone tried this for accuracy challenge?

[vocal ore]

man 3.7k coins for a masterwork jeeeez

[lilac talon]

You can farm for it now. It'll take you the entire day but you can.

[mortal moat]

yeah id be interested to know too, or if hitting armor counts for the penance

[topaz dawn]

that one is harder then it seems, especially with ammo gain on elite kills

[mortal moat]

yeah the ammo gain is super annoying for the "Make Every Shot Count" penance

[jaunty spade]

Is there a recommended map for the psyker, knock 20 people off a ledge penance? Squadmate's hit 15/20 and really wants that hood.

[sour flower]

hello?

[mortal moat]

you probably have to just do the penance again unfortunately

[grave heart]

so the plasteel and diamantine drops are shared between the team right? anyone can pick them up and everyone gets equal amounts?

[sour flower]

oh my gooood

[little atlas]

Correct

[jaunty spade]

Can confirm - i was too busy looking for scriptures because melk, picked up none, got 75 plasteel, 10 diamantine.

[bleak maple]

how good is combat shotgun and spearhead boltgun? which one to get?

[topaz dawn]

fucking hell, accuracy challenge acts on my nerves already

[rich smelt]

My weekly shop resets every hour and I've been trying to buy a yellow Thunder Hammer for 2-3 days... I'm about to waste 2k on random surprise boxes

[smoky ferry]

Anyone got a list of all the mission types?

also do the secondaries count as mission types for penances?

[azure cove]

Any higher-level-unlock stuff I should look out for as a Veteran? I'm feeling pretty awesome with an infantry auto and a chain sword

[little stream]

you'll use a power sword and bolter like everyone else and you'll be grateful

[signal cipher]

So I was thinking about possible support classes and the best idea I could come up with is a Zealot - Tech priest

In concept this would be a esoteric class that focuses on buffing your teammates and manipulating resources for your team

The grenade slot would be replaced by intense burner that has different effects based off the users inputs (similar to weapons like the hunting horn from monster Hunter)
You could have unique melee that does the same thing with different effects.

As for an F ability I just adore the idea of sending out a servo skull to a teammate to buff their crit chance significantly.

This was just a neat little idea I had and wanted to share.

[unreal torrent]

is the boltgun a vet exclusive. I thought it was

[wanton tapir]

It is not. Zealot gets it too

[azure cove]

Ye I haven't unlocked boltgun yet

[unreal torrent]

then whats the exclusive for the vet lmao?

[wanton tapir]

Plasma Gun and Power Sword

[unreal torrent]

gotcha

[past quartz]

What's the corruptor? is it the daemonic eye?

[signal cipher]

The Helborn, and plasma gun
Shovel and power sword

[bold saffron]

Helborn?

[nova cipher]

the yellow ones with the tentacles

[cold juniper]

Krieg lasgun.

[bold saffron]

ah just say that or the Lucious

[full zephyr]

Any tip for "Make Every Shot Count" penance?

[signal cipher]

Hit your shots lmao

[wanton tapir]

No idea. Hit all your shots, stay away from your team?

[cold juniper]

I think its because it has several subversions.

[tired crown]

Don't shoot the entire mission, then use something low ammo and kill the pox walkers at the end

[bleak maple]

how good is combat shotgun and spearhead boltgun? which one to get?

[small echo]

Since the general chat is a bit on the fast side I hope this is ok here too.

Are here people who are still plagued by the random crash issue that is related to the displaydriver failing, with a NVIDIA RTX card?

I would need a few persons who want to check the workaround since I lack on the resource of multiple gaming PCs with diffrent setups.

DM me, I try to response asap, for today I might not response imediatly but as soon as I get up tomorrow I will reply.
😆

[fallow elm]

i dont understand the "abhor the mutant penance.
you must melee kill a mutant while YOU dash, while you use your dash ability or while the mutant dash?

[wanton tapir]

I have no idea. I got it while it dashed and I used my F

[slow fog]

While you're using your F ability

[cold juniper]

Btw what's the percentage of the Veteran ammo regen on elite kill?

[fallow elm]

so i can get the penance if i ult + os the mutant while he is pounding a mate?

[tired crown]

The bolt gun is incredible. A lot of people like the shotgun for its alt ammo fire and stagger potential, but I personally use the bolt gun.

[uncut verge]

Kinda liking braced auto gun. Can use it a lot more

[rigid wasp]

the boltgun is good for quickly killing armored ogryns at close to medium ranges and that's about it, it feels like, though maybe I'm just bad with it

[tired crown]

Yeah I liked that one too, I've been trying to use the bolt gun for taking out ranged enemies for my team but it's also a great 'oh shit' button

[signal cipher]

Tbh I use the bolter only on the zealot

[wanton tapir]

Bolter just kinda of pastes anything you point it at

[tired crown]

Getting used to its iron sights is rough, honestly. But when you do and combine it with faster reload perks it shines.

[rigid wasp]

for taking out ranged enemies I prefer almost any other gun because of the bolters awful sights and relative inaccuracy, again maybe I'm just bad, but I find it easier to headshot people with the shotgun's ads or the autogun's brace than with the bolter

[uncut verge]

But my free nades!

[quick veldt]

Bolter sights aren’t bad at all.

[tired crown]

It has a ton of kick, too. So your 2nd shot+ is really rough.

[uncut verge]

Really just means slow rof for long range

[quick veldt]

That’s why you pace your shots.

[dire ridge]

use low ammo guns (revolver, plasma and shotgun, shotgun best imo since it's the easiest to hit), play missions with extraction endings so your passive doesn't ruin your run, don't pick up ammo and mostly shoot chonky targets so they don't accidentally die, otherwise cosplay a zealot and fight melee, don't bother with regular veteran stuff like killing shooters

[uncut verge]

Which to be fair, I’m NOT liking that limitation of braced auto.

Can’t do squat about snipers

[raw sage]

What's the difference between a blessing and a perk on a weapon?

[rigid wasp]

the bolter wracking is also really annoying, and it seems to trigger from the most minor stuff, also it has a very low ammo pool, which would be fine cause the revolver is great and it has a low ammo pool except it's alot harder to control than the revolver and alot less accurate than the revolver

[tired crown]

Yeah, snipers and other ranged enemies feel like our domain as veteran so I'm trying to get a good lasrifle for longer range engagements, but in the interim it's all about the bolter ^ ^

[exotic glacier]

Perks are passive properties on the weapon (+10% damage to ragers etc.) Blessings are traits like bullets shred armor or something, or headshots give 1 round back.

[raw sage]

Ty

[uncut verge]

I’d like to see my squads ranged weapons during loading… At least the vets. Need to know of someone has range or not lol

[tired crown]

That'd be nice! Same with psyker, if someone else has the palatine staff I don't want to bring mine.

[uncut verge]

I was using the Mk XII

It’s solid.

[tired crown]

That's the lower rate of fire but higher damage, right?

[uncut verge]

Really should show both weapons somehow.

1 handing each (Ogryn shield rendered on back)

[uncut verge]

Yes it is. Requires more accuracy and less spammy, not good at hordes though I’ll still shoot into them until they close

[sour flower]

anyone got a cheese for completing "on overwatch?"

[tired crown]

We've got the power sword for hordes, honestly. Something to snipe with is what I'm looking for.

[tired crown]

Hope you disconnect before the mission ends and rejoin right as the team boards the Valkyrie.

[sour flower]

just happened, didnt work

i got the achievement normally by pure bullshit luck but it didnt register and i just have to get it again

[cursive citrus]

If you don't like bolter, the recon lasguns are great. They shred hordes and range targets, and those that aren't dead yet get suppressed

[dire ridge]

it's the best ranged weapon in the game

[sour flower]

hm? did i get pinged?

[cursive citrus]

Someone probably replied to you, but something they posted got smacked by the moderator bot. Extra spaces or some random other stuff triggers it

[azure cove]

Been using this for like, a -while- now, think I got it at level 20 or so and it's been awesome

[signal cipher]

Earn it coward

Imagine cheesing challenges

[azure cove]

Some of them are pretty damn obtuse

[lapis raven]

potentially even, a challenge?

[cursive citrus]

Wait till level 20 and use camo, it's magical

And use a power sword. Oneshot anything before it can touch you

[lapis raven]

power sword whilst you still can before it gets nerfed lol

[coral umbra]

It is funny how powerful of a melee weapon the ranged specialist gets, but zealot gets access to bolter so it seems intentional?

Just... give ogryn something too lmao

[lapis raven]

ogryn heavy stubber is pretty fun ngl

[cursive citrus]

I hope it doesn't get nerfed too hard. It's a power sword, they are literally designed to be crazy. Maybe damage nerfs, but keep the crazy penetration because that penetration is the entire point of the power field.

If anything, real power swords are always on, so we already have nerfed half broken old power swords

[sonic quail]

Ogryn isn’t really about killing but rather bother the ennemy

Blocking, staggering, stopping animation/rage

[junior remnant]

hey guys, why cant I upgrade my weapon "unable to perform operation"

[coral umbra]

Yeah, I just think currently

[lapis raven]

ogryn holds back enemies so others can kill yeah

[bold saffron]

is Cheesing a challenge just tossing nades into the air with out aiming hoping it will Flak detonate over a horde?

[sonic quail]

You need special collectables, « tech priest currency » to do so

[uncut verge]

There are more reliable spots for it but that’s one way

[coral umbra]

The ogryn doesn't perform as great as zealot and vet, because currently those two don't really need cc to perform well

[junior remnant]

I have it 😦

[echo root]

You can kill decently with Ogryn with bully club and remain bothering enemies too but yeah mostly just push enemies

[cursive citrus]

Where heavy bolter

[junior remnant]

any idea?

[cursive citrus]

And lascannon

[dire ridge]

try restart

[sonic quail]

Try to quit the interface and come back, it’s still new and have few issues

[lapis raven]

eeh they kinda do need screening to do good work at higher levels

[junior remnant]

Okay

[bold saffron]

You must not be a exactly High Level Ogryn

[coral umbra]

No, I tried but find the playstyle too frustrating early to get through

[signal cipher]

Sorta, far easier ways to do it though, just throw a frag from really, really far away

[bold saffron]

its litterally Just use ripper gun and Knife and res teamates when needed?

[coral umbra]

I was more struggling with getting shredded by ranged enemies and the enemies not swapping to melee while you were close

So I found myself sitting around a lot waiting for my other teammates to deal with that

[stoic heath]

yeah theyu dont seem to swap to melee or get supressed at much as they should