gameplay-help

[novel lotus]

Quick qeustion, will your progress be saved or will it al be reset again?

[hoary turret]

Unknown, best guess is they don't *want * to reset progress but they cant make in promises

[sour flower]

they're going to be the crafting place apparently, or so ive heard

[queen thunder]

I'm trying to bind mousewheel up to tag, but it's not working. anyone got any ideas why it's not?

[regal gorge]

Does anyone know if the zealot gets the duelling sword/sabre?

[snow cove]

Has anyone gotten "Make Every Shot Count" with a shotgun?

[empty cloud]

For curio's do the 'wounds' refer to how many downs you get before dying on next down? If so does it just split your health into more bars to corrupt?

[ashen ingot]

correct, just takes existing health and splits it up across more pips on the health bar

[snow cove]

They're aiming on trying to make it transferable, you can read the latest patch notes and it says so at the bottom

[empty cloud]

Ah ok. I didn't want to sub out my max health curio to see since it's saved me on numerous occasions

[ashen ingot]

i run a single +1 wound curio right now, i like to have 4 over the default 3, and then using a max health and max toughness in the other slots. Ideally id want a wounds curio that has secondary effects of health/toughness/revive speed

[crimson stag]

Penances would be so much better if there were just challenges you had to complete in Psykarium by yourself to demonstrate mastery of your class without griefing your team in a team game.

[empty cloud]

Do you know if the +wounds slows down the grim corruption or would that be more a factor of health?

[unreal widget]

what is +1 wound?

[ashen ingot]

i wasnt sure on that, i wanted to test it. It seems like grims constantly apply a corruption stack to you, so i think the corruption from grimoires is independent of how many wounds you have, only how much total health you have, i could be wrong

[empty cloud]

Oh gotcha.
@unreal widget It adds an additional time you can go down before dying after going down

[wintry harness]

got it, wohoo. lucky throws during interrogator session

[tight shale]

Is there a guide anywhere on the weapon variants? Like the different Kantraels, the different Accatrans, etc

[smoky ferry]

Anyone have any advice for the shocking stuff penance?

[north bluff]

How do i complete the penance called vantage point for the sharpshooter?

[tight shale]

Can't yet til they release more mission types.

[bold bronze]

I just found a blue Boltgun with the "Pinning Fire" effect. The effect states "+% power for every enemy you stagger. Stacks". The name makes me think the 'stagger' can also be "suppression" but I'm not certain. Anyone know if they are equivalent, or if this effect will be weaker because Boltgun insta-kills a lot of enemies?

[north bluff]

damn thats annoying

[ashen ingot]

dont think stagger is the same as suppression effects, and yea, against a single enemy, not very effective, but the boltguns explosions stagger enemies around it, so could be good for a mixed group of armored targets

[jolly quarry]

i was just asking in the wrong channel about that. it seems to increase damage by a lot but as i understood it, power is NOT the same as damage. so what does power actually do if you gain it via a weapon trait? increase ALL stats?

[ashen ingot]

+Power is everything, damage, stagger, cleave, finesse, etc

[north wolf]

As a psyker, I probably want a force sword as soon as I can get one, right?

[tired igloo]

Can't get the just a flesh wound penance for anything

[jolly quarry]

damn then that trait is the only one viable for bolters cause on mine its 5 stacks of 19% which can be gained by shooting into a group or even the same enemy 5 times

[bold bronze]

Now that they are mentioning it...are we certain about that? Technically, it could actually mean stopping power right?

[ashen ingot]

not sure we are certain about anything, but its the way +power worked in Vermintide

[jolly quarry]

from my testing the bolter with said trait and about half the damage slider of another bolter at similar weapon power did a lot more damage on followup shots against a crusher *but the numers were all over the place, 350, 420, 500, 370, 400 and so on

[dull current]

O.o anyone get a drop like this ?

[bold bronze]

Okay...so it might actually be a great power. If a bit random...nice.

[jolly quarry]

the other bolter did consistently 410 *during gameplay the one with the trait did consistently 2-hit elites that the other one needed 3 hits on some of them tho, so its definitely string

[fiery prairie]

Are autoguns any good? I have been testing so far and cannot called them anything but peashooters, but the stats have good synergy. Perhaps the sharpshooters do damage due to the boost of the active ability?

[grave briar]

Yes, but also think of it this way, more wounds = more segments of permanent health

Also, less health taken by Grimoires

2 wounds, each down = 50% of your HP

4 wounds, each down = 25% of your HP

8 wounds, each down = 12.5% of your HP

[jolly quarry]

they were supposedly buffed, i really found them weak compared to even the basic Ia lasgun, havent tested since todays update

[fiery prairie]

I just got it in LA for Z, but I doubt is can possibly outperform the bolter.

[jolly quarry]

the burst fire one has too much recoil and uses way too much ammo, the braced one is nice against hordes but completely useless for mid-long range firefights, the single shot one i havent tried since ive given up on them by then after dropping a purple Ia

[stuck ridge]

Is the Camo Expert Feat working? I am not sure.

[jolly quarry]

bolter is definitely more fun and "versatile" in terms of enemy types you can just dps down quickly but i found the highest threats to be massed traitor guard peppering you with shots from all sides in big open areas so single shot las is amazing

[slow fog]

Level 30 cutscene spoiler: ||Level 2 cutscene, doesn't she look familiar||

[cobalt garnet]

Definitely working for me, multiple instances where i've just stood still on a hack objective doing it each time and enemies just walk on by.

I actually think its working better than intended since it seems to be that enemies will completely ignore you if you stand still near allies.

[stuck ridge]

Sometimes it seems like it works super well, other times it seems like the enemies just spawn on you and still find you

[jolly quarry]

that should go in general chat not help channel

[cobalt garnet]

If you moved when they were within detection range i think the effect is basically cancelled out. So you can't just stand still and ninja vanish mid horde or anything.

[hard prairie]

is there 7 different mission types even?

[jolly quarry]

repair isnt out yet *disruption was out day one of the beta but not since then

[grim relic]

Best Psyker range weapon pls

[young mulch]

staff overcharge is definitely bugged. If you hit 100% during a staff attack, you instant explode with no animation

[slow fog]

Voidstrike staff, though some would argue the chain lightning staff

[grim relic]

Voidstrike being the one with the big explody?

[slow fog]

The one that shoots the rocket like projectiles yes

[jolly quarry]

i got the animation on trauma staff but its a bit ridiculous that you only have to tap lclick once by accident to blow up when you can go to easily 120% with a brainburst and be fine

[opal lion]

What is "Rending" ?

[jolly quarry]

i think thats the debuff that increases enemy damage taken by 5%

[verbal vine]

I know what rending used to be in 40k tabletop but not this

[jolly quarry]

ive seen it on other weapons where it said "adds 2 stacks of +5% damage taken on crit"

[opal lion]

it's a kind of armor debuff ?

[jolly quarry]

not armor but just damage taken, i could be completely wrong tho but its the only debuff i can think of that this could be, better test it in the meatgrinder

[opal lion]

I'll try something, thanks

edit : don't seems to take more damage after a full charged blast, so I don't understand...

[noble ledge]

why my shop keep give me 400- weapons im using 410

[jolly quarry]

it only takes your level into account, not your equipped gear

[slow fog]

Pro tip for the sharpshooter grenade penance - go practice in the psykhanium, it'll help you get the range down. Also use the quick tap, cause the aimed one goes way too far

[noble ledge]

lv30

[jolly quarry]

yes, you will still get 370 or even lower at rank 30 *at that point the only place to get significantly better gear is melks'

[ripe obsidian]

and emperor's gifts

[jolly quarry]

true but not exactly reliable 😄

[noble ledge]

so annoying

[ripe obsidian]

spoken like a true heretic 🙂

[jolly quarry]

i have gotten 4 good items from those after over 100 missions

[ripe obsidian]

it is, but the crafting system is probably the intended method for more reliable lvl 30 upgrades

[jolly quarry]

i mean rn melk stock refreshes i think hourly even tho it says 12 (or is it 8)? which im totally fine with

[ripe obsidian]

it's 24h for me

[fiery wagon]

braced autoguns are very good on vet but you'll need to get into the habit of crouching while firing and ADSing. Had great success with them on heresy and even damnation because they also have good suppression effect. Takes some time to get used to them but I'm having a lot of fun with braced autoguns

[jolly quarry]

ah, but ye its actually MUCH more often than that, just check whenever you check the normal vendor *the only annoying part is, if you buy something that slot is locked until the actual refresh timer even if its new gear in there

[ripe obsidian]

i've been looking at the same shovel since yesterday evening lol

[young mulch]

I almost never get the animation. It just sends me right into death. I mentioned to the other psyker in the party and he had the same thing happen to him when he tried it

[noble ledge]

I hope that you will not only have to charge money to buy weapons faster

[silver ridge]

I’ve been using the braced autogun with vet and can still dome a sniper easily. It’s so fun just tap firing or going full to sweep multiple gunners. It’s like playing valorant/csgo, ads is unnecessary hehe

[jolly quarry]

as long as they dont slow the marks gain to a crawl to give spending incentive im ok with the amount you gain rn

[jolly quarry]

i can only speak from zealot experience and found all autoguns to be lacking compared to las or even bolter *but thats just cause against hordes im better off with melee so i need a ranged weapon to do accurate ranged work

[fiery wagon]

the horizontal aiming reticle gives me less info about my bloom so I'm less embaressed because I haven't stopped holding left click since I equipped the gun 🙂

[final depot]

So whats the difference between the three ogryn ripper guns?

[agile beacon]

The merchant use to change everytime I leveled. At a milestone like 5,8,12

[noble ledge]

like the red weapon can reroll its best

[silver ridge]

When you use volley fire, crouch and brace you basically get to beam everything in the head at full auto because it barely goes vertical, you just sweep horizontally and get multiple headshots @jolly quarry

[agile beacon]

The stats . It's all pretty self explanatory except what the stats do.

[cerulean pelican]

best lazgun version? I like the slower one for vet, has a bit of punch and how fast do you need to shoot anyway

[lapis raven]

pretty fast if you want suppression to kick in

[jolly quarry]

im not a vet player but i like the Ia, the other high damage single shot one (forgot the designation) and i see lots of people with the full auto one doing pretty well

[spare rivet]

XII? Or the Lucius pattern

[silver ridge]

Personally I prefer the kantrael XIII as it does such high damage, especially with the weak spot damage mod, you essentially one shot all the gun enemies

[spare rivet]

Agreed XII is my favorite lasgun

[stuck ridge]

I have had fun with the Hellbore, but my absolute favorite lasgun is the Recon Lasgun

[jolly quarry]

ye i feel like best role for a vet to fill is quickly pick off traitor guard/specials while the rest of your team is busy with mowing down melees and chonky elites

[stuck ridge]

It just has no recoil and just spits fire like there's no tomorrow.

[silver ridge]

The helbore really needs the charge rate mod. I basically don’t buy them unless it has that mod because you basically turn it into a higher power XIII

[hoary turret]

XII is the best its not even close, one shots most mobs and down a lot of specials with one headshot, it's not even that much slower then the other lasguns

[spare rivet]

Hellbore is just a worse XII rn

[silver ridge]

Yeah I notice there’s this weird war between ogryns and vet players in general discord but I love playing with ogryns. They handle the chaff so I can safely annihilate all ranged enemies and specials for them

[azure lily]

Any way to fix rerolling contracts? I have been stuck on 7500 cost for few days now

[final depot]

All other autoguns, lasguns etc, have differing fire types etc.
Im well ware that the stats are different.

[jolly quarry]

i think you can only reroll each one 3 times

[stuck ridge]

Without a charge mod, it's kinda bad, I agree. However, it does get a Bayonet :)

No, but seriously, I hope they allow us to craft weapon mods. Like, Scopes, Attachments, and effect modifications.

[jolly quarry]

red dot for my bolter pls *and compensator lol

[stuck ridge]

Is the Mk VII Headhunter any good?

[jolly quarry]

if its the burst fire one then no, too much recoil and you cant do less than 3 shots at once at quite the limited ammo

[stuck ridge]

It looks like the ballistic version of the Kantrael

[keen idol]

the map they took out is one of my weekly and i cant reroll what should i do?

[jolly quarry]

you cant do anything

[stuck ridge]

I haven't used this one but I don't think it's the Burst Fire one. It doesn't have the Burst Fire tag, just Versatile and Precise

[silver ridge]

Headhunter is the single shot one

[keen idol]

well that not true i was more or less asking where to go to contact support

[jolly quarry]

it should say in the "inspect" tab if it is, but yeah im pretty sure its that one, just sold mine so i cant confirm (cause it was bad), the recoil makes it so you cant land all 3 shots on a weakspot easily and having to fire 3 with the same capacity as the single shot ones every time is just quite bad sadly

[jolly quarry]

i highly doubt theyre gonna go in and change it for you, if they even have the possibility to do that, you can always ask in technical support or the forums tho. i think its just as case of them not explaining that you can only reroll each challenge 3 times and the specific map is just bad luck

[clear pewter]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1042862121114935296

[stuck ridge]

This is the one with the Suppressor on the end, not the Mark 3

[jolly quarry]

theres several with burst fire afaik, if its single shot *or full auto it might actually be good after todays update but i havent tried em yet

[stuck ridge]

How well does the Efficiency perk work on the Kantrael (33% reduced ammo consumption after not shooting for 5s)?

Does it just affect one shot? Or does it last for a short time?

[soft talon]

?

[terse peak]

I blame steam

[night geode]

I'm pretty sure stream isn't updating % on the circle of trust ones. My rank 4 circle says 0.1%

[vivid zealot]

is it just me or does the Power sword's special give it unlimited cleave?

[jolly quarry]

if you check the actual community achievements tab the numbers are very different

[ancient hill]

Anyone know a good way to get the sharpshooter penance for 100% accuracy, finishing with 0 ammo?>

[terse peak]

Take the revolver, fire very carefully, and then use melee for the rest of the mission.

[ancient hill]

Okay thank you

But sometimes I get given ammo randomly

[snow folio]

what level is critial peril?

[tired crown]

It stops after a few hits on harder levels, I thought the same thing for a bit but have run into armored groups that'll stop it.

[regal gorge]

Which class can use the duelling sword?

[silent beacon]

how does one start a solo game/just with bots I want to try to get the cliff hanger penance

[snow folio]

You can't

[tired crown]

You can't yet, not until late December or so. They have to introduce solo / private games.

[wispy escarp]

Yeah Sharpshooter has a passive that gives you ammo when anybody on your team kills an elite. I think it's a random chance but it directly fucks you when doing that Penance.

[signal cipher]

Just wanna confirm, "On overwatch" is working on malice right? Or do still need to do it on a higher difficulty?

[tired crown]

That's the don't get hit penance, right? I got it two days ago on malice

[ancient hill]

It's brutal I hope they rework the penances as well as add more things to unlock

[signal cipher]

Rad, thanks luv

[quick veldt]

How lol

[vivid zealot]

ah gotcha, thank you

[tired crown]

Just dodged around a lot, it took a few tries. I know some people have gotten it by disconnecting / crashing toward the end and rejoining, lol

[smoky ferry]

Is peril of the warp when you explode from being over periled?

[pearl night]

So is the eviscerator crit chance just super low?

[tired crown]

I believe so, yeah. Not 100% sure.

[agile beacon]

Low ammo weapon and only fire at in hordes?

[ancient hill]

I will have to try this

[tired crown]

You can also try not shooting for the entire level then using a shotgun or something on the horde when you escape.

[sleek ice]

has anyone found out what the shredder stat on chain weapons does?

[ancient hill]

If there was a sniper....for the SHARPSHOOYER that had low ammo count that would be perfect for this penance

[lilac talon]

Anyone know if higher difficulties have more chance of giving Emperor's Gifts?

[ancient hill]

This is also a good idea however I don't know how the accuracy thing works with shottys, if one pellet strays won't the whole thing be over?

[tired crown]

Oh I can't imagine it would, but I can't say for sure. That's the one vet achievement I haven't gone for yet.

[ancient hill]

Well when you do let me know we may be able to take turns helping each other through it

[sleek ice]

@ancient hill easiest way is the ammo raid mission, take a revolver, dont fire until your escaping to the gunship, everyone hold the bridge and let you unload on the endless hord and hop in when you run out

[ancient hill]

This is an absolute strat. Thank you, now what level would be ideal to tackle the herecy difficulty?

[stuck ridge]

Is the Power Sword any good? Or should I keep using the Atoma Axe?

[honest gazelle]

power sword is outstanding for self defense with its extreme cleave on its special, and in general use, can def make poxwalker and infected citizen swarms much more easier to deal with if you dont have another horde clearer like accatran lasgun or boltgun

[hard goblet]

If you learn the rhythm to using its special attack and then cleaving with heavy attacks, it's an excellent weapon against hordes and elites.

[honest gazelle]

I'd say 22ish-30, depends on how well youre handling malice and if your weapons do enough damage on heresy, which you can try out in the meat grinder in the psykhanium

[ancient hill]

thanks everyone! ❤️

[young mulch]

Just got this as a mission reward. Not sure how I feel about it lol

[stoic bramble]

Fuck yeah, enjoy the reward my guy

[glossy bridge]

anyone know if hellbore is a work in progress just got it for my lev 10 veteran and felt useless, charging wasnt consistent and trying to get off a few shots was inconsistent-thanks

[lilac talon]

What difficulty?

[exotic glacier]

Where have you guys been doing the Cliffhanger Penance? I've been having some difficulty doing it myself

[lilac talon]

The Silo map, which was removed.

[silver ridge]

It really needs the charge rate mod. If you can get one with that mod and high charge rate stat it feels better

[glossy bridge]

thanks Daemon- happy to blast away with others until then- emperor protects

[paper pasture]

why does the chain-axe always saw enemies on light attacks but chain-sword doesn't?

[strong spade]

was espionage removed?

[slow fog]

tfw

[rigid wasp]

oof

[dire cobalt]

Can anyone tell me what the level 10 middle talent for Zealot does ? it's badly translated in my language :/

[idle kite]

so apparently enemies stopped spawning in the metal fab last stage and it made me crash

[gritty monolith]

can we not have the community turn out like this please

[tepid garnet]

How do I complete the "Every mission type" Like what is the Newest mission type rn? I saw some people had completed it

[white steeple]

commuity and u arent the problem. the penance is

[topaz citrus]

"bro let me solo this boss with only head explosion, we all have an hour to kill right?"

[gritty monolith]

Its just the chargy things

[sage mortar]

Hey folks, has anyone figured out (If you went through this) how to save keybinds I was hoping this would have been fixed with the update but it is not.
Issue is my grenade key everytime I log on is set to unassigned and I have to manually flick my scroll wheel to get to it. Anyone have any ideas?

[pearl night]

Is the smelter the only new mission that got added today?

[sage mortar]

It's the mission type called "Flash" we don't have it in game yet.

[slow fog]

What impact is - I dunno.

[tepid garnet]

:/ Ty.

[trim hazel]

Just wondering if someone has some tips on how to complete this. My char is nearly lvl 25 and i've played the same levels over and over again. I can't seem to get this past 4

[sage mortar]

There is a mission type called "Flash" we don't have in game yet.

[toxic stone]

The missions rotate.

[trim hazel]

what are the other types if you can name em all? Cause i feel like i'm just always doing assassination, strike

[winter quail]

does anoyone know if veterans talent counter fire is bugged

[young mulch]

3...

[dapper turret]

my brother in the emperor that looks good

[sage mortar]

Raid, Assassination, Strike, Espionage, Repair, Disruption, Investigation.
(Sorry flash is a modifier that cuts lights from a mission)

[lilac talon]

I'm not getting shiiiit.

[sage mortar]

I fixed the keybind issue; If your binds are not saving you should reset them to default settings, quit, then relaunch set your binds, quit again and relaunch then you should be good.

[arctic plover]

are you currently aware of which one has not yet entered the rotation?

[toxic stone]

Repair

[arctic plover]

Thanks, im assuming we dont have any info on when that will drop. Was hopeful it would be today, but doesnt look like it.

[toxic stone]

Maybe tomorrow（Depend on your local time）；the dev says that they will add electric complex map tomorrow. I suppose that might be the other map from the last beta；where you are repairing the core of the generator or something if I remembered correctly.

[arctic plover]

Fantastic, I remain hopeful. Big thanks.

[tulip star]

Apparently you can get it on the Logistratum mission. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cU_jq3IAis

[carmine sparrow]

sooo quick question, and idk if its just me, but are ogryn grenade boxes not meant to explode?

[twilit pecan]

so did they not update today cant do anything at the barbor?

[tulip star]

They're not meant to explode unless you have a perk. You are literally chucking a metal brick at someone

[young mulch]

Seems solid yea, though the bonus XP is kinda wasted at 30 (which I just hit, yay me)

[twilit pecan]

nvm i could play w/o the update weird

[rigid wasp]

I just did a Zealot Up Close and Personal run on Malice without shooting, but I still didn't get the unlock. Is it no longer Malice or?

[oak grove]

Basically they do really high single target damage because ogryns are too unintelligent to arm any of them. You need a feat to override that lol

[toxic stone]

Just check, the Power Matrix that coming tomorrow is indeed the repair mission from last beta

[carmine sparrow]

awesome, thnx for the clarification guys lol

[scenic cloud]

Maybe it is a stupid question but what is Circle of trust? Is that my trust level or something else?

[tepid minnow]

did you disconnect?
personally I found that disconnectign and reconnecting breaks the challenge
handy hint: flamers don't count as firing a shot (unless they changed that)

[weak wasp]

how should i be going about getting cliffhanger penance done?

[rigid wasp]

No it was a clean run, not sure what I did wrong. I had a Flamer and a Melee weapon.

[wild seal]

Seems like they fixed the flamer not counting as ranged for that penance. It disqualified my flamer run after the patch. Had to actually not fire off any rounds

[rigid wasp]

Oh, thank you, that explains my failed run then.

I wonder if they're going to reset progress because people (Vets and Zealots) unlocked penances in an unintended way.

[tepid minnow]

I wouldn't be against it, personally.
just reached 30 on my Zealot, I'd happily do it again

[scenic cloud]

I cant fined it anywhere could someone help me out?

[tepid minnow]

my Up Close and Personal is still completed.
but I'm sure I've done other qualifying runs anyway
I sometimes forget I have ranged weapons xD

[rigid wasp]

If they end up not resetting I'd be really happy if I was a Vet and didn't have to do the "don't get hit in melee" one legitimately, lol.

[tepid minnow]

it's an account penance, it's tied to the story

[scenic cloud]

So if i level up and follow the game i will unlock the chapters?

[toxic stone]

I hope not for my lvl 30 vet

[tepid minnow]

leveling up your trust rating is the story
at certain trust levels you get more cutscenes

[scenic cloud]

Okay thanks for your help 🙂

[dull carbon]

Doubt it. I think they'd only reset if someone found a way to sploit weekly or premium currency

[hallow pebble]

They had a few seconds of the weapon/gear customization in the latest trailer

[slow fog]

Man, trying to get the kill a mutant with a dash melee penance and asked the party to try and weaken but not kill them. Everyone being cool and marking them, one level 20+ vet in difficulty 2 kept unloading a full clip of bolter into them, at least three times in a row

[crimson stag]

Wym? People have been cheesing this?

[brave moss]

anyone know how the rending damage works exactly?

[hallow pebble]

Yes there's a way to cheese it and get no damage super easy, I refuse to do it

[gray sparrow]

Okay, so question:

How the frig does the Veteran's "x% chance to replenish grenade when you and allies in coherency kill an enemy" work?

[crimson stag]

weirdge, just run the cammo feat and its free

[slow fog]

Yeah guys, please try not to exploit stuff, it will only increase the chance of a progress wipe

[hallow pebble]

I honestly hope they do "reset" that one and fix the exploit

[jagged bane]

https://youtu.be/uSXV4PxC8Ys

[slow fog]

I doubt they can do it in sections, probably an all or nothing situation

[rare shadow]

how do you tell which weapon is stronger

[crude pond]

thx sry for the ping

[jagged bane]

np

[young mulch]

Why does fire do so much to toughness? One grenade on 4+ and you just die without any counterplay sometimes

[crude pond]

idk annoying af for sure

[tepid minnow]

so, now that i've reached Trust 30 ||how do I find the Inquisitorial rosette trinket? or is it not actually ingame yet?||

[floral arrow]

Does the "Punishment" perk for Zealot apply to ranged weapons or is it melee only ?

[rigid wasp]

Yep

[tight shale]

You already have it. In your menus where you can press V to inspect a weapon, there should also be a C to go to weapon appearance. It's in a tab there.

[blissful coyote]

So I just found out that wreck and ruin is a bait feat for Psyker.. Soulblaze does so little damage...
https://youtu.be/WT6jeOhWYX0

[rigid wasp]

I can confirm this: Flamer doesn't count for Up Close and Personal anymore. I just did a second run with only melee and I got it.

[tepid minnow]

ahhh, thanks

[spark gyro]

I’d also like to know this

[rare shadow]

whats better

[hazy gale]

I like axe

[rare shadow]

feels like i do more damage with axe

[tepid minnow]

i personally kept using the axes until I got my 2h chainsword and thunder hammer
but part of that was that I got used to their attack patterns

[rare shadow]

is the 2handed chainsword good?

[slow fog]

Havent used it yet, but I've heard its one of, if not the best zealot melee

[rare shadow]

is the one i linked 2handed??

[slow fog]

I dont think so. 2h chainsword is called an eviscirator

[gray sparrow]

1handed Chainsword is still really nice pick. More horde clear than the axe, but the rev-up special attack does beast single-target damage.

[dense temple]

So is shovespamming as strong as it looks

[exotic fox]

What’s the max power level for a weapon? I’ve seen at least 450 but I don’t know how high it can go

[dense temple]

You can infinitely shovespam even at 0% stamina...

[exotic fox]

Better hope ya don’t get slapped

[outer wedge]

does buying higher rating items increase the future items in the shops and also if i got a higher rating item can i just keep in in my inventory or do i need to equip them for the shop items to increase.

[signal cipher]

Depends on play style and if you care Roleplay,

The axe is great and picking a target and killing it AT ALL TIMES

The chain sword is all around more useful but not great at anything, unless you use your special to deliver a solid fuck you to one target in particular

[signal cipher]

It scales with level

[lilac talon]

Which sucks since I feel like I'm forced to buy Coin Shop gear to advance my rating

[dense temple]

What stats do I want?

[lilac talon]

Take the first one, you won't be cleaving that much with an axe anyway. Plus you'll replace it pretty quickly enough.

[signal cipher]

The Rashad is gonna better single target and attack speed

[outer wedge]

ty

[signal cipher]

The Antax is a worse Rashad but with a little bit of cleaving

[silk pivot]

Every fecking time I try going for a specific penance I get disconnected mid-mission which means you can't get them even if you reconnect if it's a full mission thing

[dense temple]

Should I just not buy items in the shop early
As I'll get better weps when I level (and I level quickly early on)

[lilac talon]

dont bother buying stuff until at least you get 400+ gear in the Coin Shop

[rare shadow]

what stats do melee class need?

[dense temple]

400 what?
Also I just unlocked difficulty 3, should I playo n that? does it give more XP/gold?

[lilac talon]

400 rating.

[rare shadow]

is the hammer any good i heard its underpowered?

[rain hawk]

Mobility so you can keep your dodges up for longer which helps you branch off to multiple ranged enemies to get them into melee.

[lilac talon]

They do give more Gold and Exp, but do it if you're confident. Completing missions give more than failing them.

[rain hawk]

Quite good if you enjoy knocking anything on its ass and cleaving through hordes yes.

[signal cipher]

I mean, no? It depends on if you like your weapons?

[rare shadow]

whats like a good weapon for zeolot thas strong damage vs elites and overall AOE is that hammer? @rain hawk

[exotic fox]

Hammer and evis

[rain hawk]

Yea I'd say so

[signal cipher]

If you find a weapon that YOU like, use it, midmaxing is for cowards

[rare shadow]

i just want the hammer axe is boring as heck

[hushed nimbus]

have we discovered the max item rating at the moment?

[exotic fox]

Hammer unlock is pretty late I think. In the 20s? Someone else would know better than I

[rain hawk]

Just whatever you do don't fall for the Faith Restores All scam, the bug on it is even worse now on the update and it takes about 10% of your health now rather then just 1-2 through your toughness.

[tepid minnow]

lvl 25 the Thunder Hammer unlocks

[rare shadow]

nice

[exotic fox]

I’m still on the ogryn grind, level 28. There’s not a ton of weapons for ogryn at the moment so I just cycle through them to keep things fresh

[tepid minnow]

good luck finding one, i had a grey in the store on the refresh after I turned 25, took another 2 refreshes for a blue to appear, and it required Trust 28
then today I got another blue in store, Trust 30 required xD

so I got very lucky

[signal cipher]

Even if dark tide was a super midmaxing game, just be something is mathematical the best doesn't make it the best for you as a player.

As a veteran main I should use a power sword and bolter but I use a standard issue lasgun and chain sword

[crude quest]

For the vet feat that enables +30% reload on "Elite kill" - what counts as an Elite? A gunner? A flamer? A rager? A Plague Ogryn?

[lament pawn]

Anyone can't get the game to start?

[tired crown]

I would love to have you on my team, I've been using power sword and bolter since day 2 and the variety helps a ton.

[tepid minnow]

i believe plague ogryn and Beast of Nurgle count as specials. anythign that's pingable that isn't those other 2 i think is an elite

[grim relic]

Best Psyker staff what be, the shock or rocket

[exotic fox]

I believe BoN and Plague Ogryn classified as “monsters” and specials are things like trappers snipers dogs flamers etc

[rain hawk]

Shock and flamer

[signal cipher]

I'm a firm believer of the quick draw gamer psyker

[maiden whale]

zealot combo I'm thinkin hammer/flamer or hammer/bolter

[tepid minnow]

ahh, yeah, forgot about the 'Monstrosity' classification

[grim relic]

Elites are Ogryns, Maulers. Monstrosities are Beasts of Nurgle and Plague Ogryn. Specials are the rest

[rain hawk]

Yea, so specials are shit like mutants, trappers, snipers, stuff that SPAWNS in, whereas elites are just there to being with and are: Gunners, Maulers, Ragers, Reapers, Bulwarks, and Crushers

[tepid minnow]

then yeah, Mutie, hound and trapper may be the specials, since they each have a 'disrupting' ability

[grim relic]

What?

[crude quest]

Shotgunners too?

[tepid minnow]

I use Hammer and flamer mostly

[rain hawk]

Oh yea shotgunners, I thought I was missing one

[crude quest]

Flamers are specials then, since you hear them when they spawn?

[grim relic]

Anything that is their own character is a special and upgraded sort are elites

[silk pivot]

Most elites have a spawn noise

[rain hawk]

Yea they laugh like the trappers, but instead of the trap gun charging it's a few clicking sounds of their flamer

[tepid minnow]

click, click Fwooosh

[paper nest]

why is there a limit on rerolling contracts

[crude quest]

I like the idea of the boltgun reloading 30% quicker, but hard to rely on an elite always being there

[grim relic]

Specials make a unique sound they spawn in and usually are the ones to attack you and never the ones being flanked by your strike team

[rain hawk]

None of the elites have spawn noises btw, just specials

[stuck ridge]

This. The Helbore isn't the meta weapon, but it's Fun, especially if you want to Affix Bayonets and live the Guard Life.

Also, things are WiP and will probably be changed to prevent too stale of a meta evolving. Autoguns will hopefully see recoil reduction, making them closer in parity to their lasgun equivalents. I kinda hope all flamers (player and NPC) lose their knockback, so they are good AoE weapons but less effective at pushing you around (perhaps give the Tox Flamer knockback but reduce the damage and burst duration, right now Tox Flamers and Flamers feel like they're the same thing).

[grim relic]

Psyker needs buffing and staves need different primary firing to distinguish each other not just alt fire imo

[rain hawk]

The whole idea of specials is disruption, and they all do that job in different ways. Like the trapper and dog are both pinning, the mutant tries to throw you into a worse position if it can grab you, the flamer is an area denier and forces you to separate, the sniper does a similar thing because it forces you to seek cover

Elites are just meaty boys that hit really hard or really fast

[tepid minnow]

I've seen psykers save an entire team, clearly they need nerfing
oh wait, we disagree, maybe they're well balanced

[grim relic]

Who’d you think deserves buffing then?

[signal cipher]

If you like the helborn you have my respect because I can't stand it, the charge just pains me in addition to the sights

[tepid minnow]

Ogryns.
I want to see more Shield boys holdign points

[exotic fox]

Psyker has a high skill floor and ceiling, so it’s easy for people to have drastically experiences with them.

[rigid wasp]

for the veteran mains out there I reccomend use 'sustained fire' level 30 feat using bolter to cancel reload, melt bosses and clear out crowds of elites quick
hit 'f' to activate volley fire once fire last round, lmb right away to skip racking animation
https://youtu.be/pMDdc7w_UCM?t=64

[signal cipher]

THE BIG LADS
or ogryns if your boring

[crude radish]

We literally have an infinite force field, but I think our melee should be better as we are bigger

[rain hawk]

yo mama

but honestly I think all the classes are in a pretty good state atm, just the fact that a lot of the talents need to be actually functional and all have their own strengths and weaknesses which get covered by a full team

[stuck ridge]

Yeah I get that. It is very fun when you make it work but very annoying when, say, someone decides to just walk into the path of your charged shot.

(This happens a lot, actually, it's super annoying to spend time lining up a shot and your clueless Ogryn or Zealot walks into it without a care, or, worse, phases through you and then eats your shot.)

[tepid minnow]

I would like to see Zealots stop being interrupted during their ability because someone sneezed on them though

[crude quest]

Very good, but rip your ammo

[grave heart]

psyker soulblaze builds(and the waprfire staff) need a buff BAD

[stuck ridge]

Interrupts in General should be reduced. Carrying a heavy ammo crate shouldn't be interrupted if you just take toughness damage unless that breaks your toughness. And knockback while you have Toughness should be reduced, again, unless it breaks your toughness.

[rain hawk]

True, this is why Thy Wrath Be Swift is still just a best in slot perk (especially since faith restores all is still broken), because it stops you getting melee staggered at the very least so you can get out of being surrounded or against a wall if you get put in a bad spot, but if someone decided to shoot you, you still stop dead in your tracks

[exotic fox]

I found out today that the weapon special on the Ogryn club is just a relatively harmless bitch slap, but man is it fuckin hilarious to just weave the occasional bitch slap into a hoard clearing combo

[wooden acorn]

Would this be worth getting?

[signal cipher]

I mean that's a balance issue with one weapon and when talking about balance I try to only think about using your starting weapons and how that class preforms with them and their play style

slab Ogryns play very differently then bully club Ogryns

[tepid minnow]

I don't like limbsplitter

[steady robin]

^

[crude radish]

I think the club should be stronger simple as

[stuck ridge]

God it's super fun.

I personally like the Punch better because it staggers, so you can Stun-Lock Ragers and the like by weaving a Punch into your combo, but the Slap is just mwah perfection

The Club should feel a bit meatier, though. Like right now it doesn't feel like what a giant smacking someone with a pointy massive stick should feel like

[rich cobalt]

man, once i got force lightning staff, psyker went from squishy nerd who can't do much except fuck that singular guy, to clicking into place and going AHAHAHAAAAA SUPPORT AND KILLS

[signal cipher]

Psyker have a bunch of little goofy builds, as I said, I'm a quick draw gamer when I play psyker

[dense temple]

Guys. I did the 3rd difficulty level (am lvl 3 now 5). Enemies felt twice as tanky, is that normal?
Also is it worth doing 3rd diff at low level? Does it give more XP than 2nd diff?

[random wadi]

yes of no for this one?

[signal cipher]

No

[mortal nexus]

Extra stamina on that? o.O

[signal cipher]

Do you like the helborn?

[random wadi]

i guess it helkps with lvl 25 vet talent

[lapis vapor]

if you want to spam levels speedrun dif 2, its more efficient

[rich cobalt]

level 14 right now so i'm doing the quell toughness and force weapon damage boost perks and just going full shooter mode walking around zapping and quelling and then yanking out the catachan sword for crowd control and having a lot of stamina bars, which psyker kind of sucks at having stamina bars.

[dense temple]

I see. Are there incentives for clearing diff 5?

[lapis vapor]

penances, lots of dockets. and if you can consistently do it then its more efficient, its just depends on your average clear time per difficulty

[signal cipher]

Also how much pain you enjoy / how lore accurate you want it to be

[crystal snow]

Should I get this for my Vet Sharpshooter?

[rare shadow]

what do these sybols means what should I select im level 15

[lapis vapor]

no, go for a power sword

[signal cipher]

This post was made by the damnation gang

[rich cobalt]

i do appreciate that the difficulty curve seems to be less about enemies having more and more hp and more about how much of a bastard the ai director can be.

[wind orbit]

generally speaking dont you want a cleave melee weapon as a veteran? use guns for single target and melee for masses

[silver bramble]

Up arrow is endless hordes, down is less @rare shadow

[rare shadow]

or a shotgun

[crystal snow]

So wait for hourly reset and hope my gs raises slowly then?

[rare shadow]

does endless horde mean more XP?

[signal cipher]

I do enjoy fighting fighting 6 crushers are once

[silver bramble]

Yup, both give more XP, fewer hordes usually means more special enemies depending on the level

[lucid delta]

I apologize if this isnt a easy answer or if there isnt really one. But everyone I play with regularly is playing Sharpshooter and Zealot, groups are always 2x Sharp 1x Zealot or 1x Sharp 2x Zealot and sometimes 3x Zealot. Would Ogryn or Psyker help more in this situation? I like both a lot but would prefer to go with what would help the group most.

[rare shadow]

whats a good place to level up at 15

[signal cipher]

im sorry your level 15 and have some how managed to avoid reading a single piece of information the game clearly shows you? I'm honestly impressed by you kids these days lol

[cobalt salmon]

Why the hell do I get interrupted as Ogryn when picking up? It clearly says "Being damaged while Reviving or Assisting allies no longer interrupts you"

[silver bramble]

You'll want to be playing the 2nd Difficulty at level 15, if you haven't done it before take your time and don't rush ahead

[rare shadow]

why is there a line thru what u wrote its hard to read

[jade venture]

At 15 you can be doing Malice easily most randoms will be decent enough to get through it imo

[silver bramble]

You'll wanna choose a psyker bud, the Brain Burst ability is great on the higher Difficultys, the lighting staff too is great for hordes

[wind orbit]

i mean only if the randoms themselves are 15+. even then some ppl are pepega and malice isnt as easy as it should be 😄

[keen basalt]

i don't know the mechanics of this game, can someone teach me the basics ect

[rare shadow]

thanks

[silver bramble]

Hack and Slash for the emperor

[signal cipher]

Try playing the prologue

[azure cove]

Honestly the amount of people I see on t1 -not- tagging is like, isn't the intro required for new players?

[silver bramble]

I think you can skip the prologue, I could be wrong tho

[lapis vapor]

its skippable

[signal cipher]

Yes, but the you forget, most people are not bright

[keen basalt]

skipped

[tough cove]

Can someone help me translate what this means? I'm not sure I understand, Does it mean I have unlimited cleave for 3.5 sec after weak spot kill?

[lapis vapor]

means you kill one enemy with head your swing goes through and keeps hitting more

[tough cove]

so the next few swings, due to the 3.5 sec would have unlimited cleave also or just that first strike and is there a cooldown?

[wind orbit]

does a weapon with that perk even have cleave? genuine question

[tough cove]

yea it's a blue axe

[tired igloo]

Orangeish sign is the condition the other one is secondary objective

[tough cove]

so it would normally only hit original and 1 more target, but if the perk works as I understand it, then it would have unlimited cleave, making it OP?

[lapis vapor]

that perk is really good on the blue axe yeah

[rigid wasp]

Indeed

[tough cove]

Awesome, thank you, I look forward to using it

[keen basalt]

i'm an imposter i'm lv 30
and didn't skip the prologue
plus have like 2k hrs in vt2 rip

[stuck ridge]

Still only 3.5 seconds, though. So while it's really good, I wouldn't necessarily call it "overpowered"

[tough cove]

yea, but I think that would be easy to keep up, because you'll probably hit lots of heads in hordes, especially with the axe animations

[lapis vapor]

but its so easy to do again that while horde clearing itll be up the entire time, and the swings with that axe is good for headshots

[rigid wasp]

It’s actually very good against big enemies like ogryn and stuff .

So in a nutshell , there is an officer Lucius lasgun , and I do want to know , how tf is it that better then rest of Lucius pattern

[stuck ridge]

I still think it's too risky to be OP. You get the most use out of that by throwing yourself into a massive horde, which is a pretty dangerous place to be.

[tough cove]

I find being on maps with endless hordes there's usually so much freaking trash during waves, that I think it would be a good force multiplier, it will just make me stronger in the current meta, I wouldn't go blindly charging in lol

[tired crown]

With the axe you can light attack -> block repeatedly to swipe at hordes, no?

[silver bramble]

It would benefit the Zealot most I would think

[rigid wasp]

Like , compared to rest 2 , hell , even to heavier lasgun of usual pattern it … it feels like decent weapon? Like … something that can … kill things ? I… I’m just very and very confused since my in game time belive of lucious being horrible in all modifications … sorta got broken ?

[tough cove]

Ye, I sadly I got this on my marksman lol

[stuck ridge]

Also what is Corruption Resistance? Does it reduce the corruption you incur, or give you a chance to negate it?

[tired crown]

@tough cove for marksman you can essentially get the same perk with a power sword

[rigid wasp]

Axe don’t have good anty horde attack , it’s essentially weapon against armored enemies , specials and elite enemies

[tough cove]

I didn't like the feel of the power sword, it's too crowd control focused, I like a bit more oompf, ogryn and zealot can do crowd clearing already anyway

[rigid wasp]

I believe it decline corruption which you gain

[tired crown]

What is the axe's first light attack in a combo? I spectated a zealot using one yesterday and she cleared a horde like a boss with an axe using light attack -> block reset

[tough cove]

I don't remember, let me check in meat grinder

[rare shadow]

they dont teach u how to tag and read what the map objs say

[azure cove]

They had to of because otherwise I wouldn't know how to do it.

[stuck ridge]

They do, it's in the Psykhanium tutorial

[tame kite]

tutorial?

[rare shadow]

i dont even remember tutorial mentioning what multiplayer map icon means

[vocal geyser]

anyone gotten the harder ogryn penances yet? highest i’ve gotten is 85/100 enemies for that one, and i’m wondering if you can just sit at the end of the plague tree level and let enemies gather up?

[tough cove]

it's s top down slash strike, second same, third is a horizontal slash

[silver bramble]

It doesn't, If you click on the mission it'll give you a summary off what the modifier does

[crimson dagger]

vertical down strike is heavy

[tired crown]

@tough cove okay, thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure if she was just using a combat axe or what.

[rigid wasp]

Which axe

[rare shadow]

how good is this?

[tough cove]

the combat axe, the perk would be useless on the assination axe, even on the assault axe

[stuck ridge]

So when you get to the Mourningstar, your first objective is to do the Psykhanium training. IIRC, you get the Ping Tutorial right before the Revive Tutorial

[jade grove]

oomg they nerfed the dodge... bullshit

[rigid wasp]

There’s 3 at least , 1 is chain axe and it do can clean them fairly well , or

[keen basalt]

they made it more like in vermintide II

[jade grove]

that suck seriously... im not fast anymore.. it make you even more slower, so now dodge is useless

[restive eagle]

What's a good melee weapon for the armored people? I'm playing psyker

[rigid wasp]

No I meant which axe was used to clean horde , also , I gonna now focus on my psyker character after making my veteran 30 , just checking in and out for when shop gonna show again an bloody legendary weapon which didn’t suck

[silver bramble]

Force Sword, or just use your Brain burst

[slow fog]

Force sword, the spec will kill most enemies in one hit, if not two

[stuck ridge]

Personally, for fighting Armored Enemies, your Psychic Attack is good, but the Axes are also decent against Armor.

The Atrox Tactical Axe has pretty good Penetration and damage.

[restive eagle]

Can't always use brain burst and I need something to compliment the flame staff haha

[slow fog]

Flame staff is already good against armour

[stuck ridge]

Also chains super, super quickly with light attacks.

[silver bramble]

Force sword for sure then, the special attack does series damage to any elite enemies

[agile beacon]

man non cleave weapons dont seem to do enough damage tbh...

[crimson stag]

Yea i dont know why people sleep on Flame Staff/Flamer as anti-armor tool. People just think of them as horde clear, but it literally bypasses armor checks

[silver bramble]

There's one with an ability to block ranged attacks too, pair that with the feat that uses peril to block and a few curious and you're blocking every attack

[slow fog]

Do Zealots get bolters?

[restive eagle]

No, it really isn't. Check the numbers at the test area.

[slow fog]

Check again - the dot is cumulative. One full burst will kill a mauler, on d3 at least, not sure about higher ones

[stuck ridge]

So the Vraks Mk 7 Headhunter Autogun is Singlefire, for those who were wondering. I'm currently comparing it to the Kantrael Lasgun to see which does what better.

[crimson stag]

That and you can stack burn/bleed with weapon swap, so heavy armor targets just get DoT rotted down

[restive eagle]

I haven't thought about the dot tbh

[slow fog]

The dot is where a good amount, if not the majority of your damage comes from

[north wolf]

When you're low level, is the psykers F ability.. just a kinda lame push? It doesn't seem to do anything.

[slow fog]

it quells 50% perils

[tough cove]

I found the headhunter to be very meh, braced autogun is also very accurate if firing single shots while ADS and crouched, but also has full auto and 3x the ammo

I still swap between braced autogun and bolter on my vet

[slow fog]

Also dont sleep on the push, its very useful for gaining some breathing room/pushing a dog etc off an ally

[rare shadow]

@silver bramblehey sorry u said this is decent around 15 to 20 the l l (2 bars)?

[north wolf]

Don't remind me of dogs, I keep letting my teammates get pinned by dogs, because I need the "kill a pouncing dog with brain burst" penance.

[elfin ingot]

question. what does the 15% power mean in terms of scaling on hit, does it scale damage or is 17.5% damage worth more then power scaling?

[hot breach]

anyone know the best way to get the cliffhanger penance done?

[crimson stag]

I found the Recon lasgun to be significantly higher DPS for the ammo efficiency than braced for a full auto/non Bolter alternative in Heresy meatgrinder, but I haven't re-tested since the patch today. Did the auto gun patch touch braced? Not sure if it counts as "infantry autogun"

[north wolf]

I try to get it done just whenever there's an opportunity in a map. Most of the time teammates mow down enemies so fast, you don't really have any chance of luring them to a spot where it's possible. There are some very, very dumb penances in this game.

[hot breach]

I was expecting a lot more team-based penances considering how detrimental being alone can be.

[slow fog]

OK yeah just tested it, the flamer staff will kill anything shorter than an ogryn in a full burst all the way up to difficulty 5. Technically the mauler just survived, but my staff is only 350 with a poor damage stat, so at 30 with a decent staff itll do the job

[iron ledge]

what level do i get evisorator

[hot breach]

all it would take is just editing some of them to be more team based like for the preacher grenade penance it should instead be have your team get x amount of kills after stunning enemies.

[weary sapphire]

I don't understand how to complete hazard 4. I join every game in progress at half health, then the game spawns a ludicrous amount of lasgunners and specials at the same time and we all die. Every time. What's the key?

[slow fog]

Actually I think the mutant will survive

[north wolf]

There's a penance later, where on Heresy, you need to kill a Monstrosity with brainburst alone, and NO ONE ELSE is allowed to damage it at all.
It's a team based co-op game, with anti-team challenges.

[tranquil grove]

biggest issue with 100% accuracy penance is people killing enemies as you pull the trigger

[hot breach]

the infamous "solo a monstrosity as psyker"

[crimson stag]

You're not at half health in Heresy. Game just takes away a "Wound" segment, which means you can get downed 1 less time. Your total effective health is the same.

[iron ledge]

what level get eviscerator?

[tough cove]

Me neither, I haven't tried either since the patch, I personally found the recon lasgun to feel very weird, I couldn't get used to it so I wrote it off

[graceful atlas]

Best way to cheese it is revolver and unload on easy targets with a coordinated team, then never pick up ammo.

[crimson stag]

Do it on an assasination mission with a revolver. Easiest shots you'll never miss

[tranquil grove]

what I was thinking too but man is it rough being vet with no ammo. Thanks fatshark, very class functional.

[graceful atlas]

A low ammo revolver is the best bet.

[wind orbit]

you can melee normally during the 100% accuracy penance yeah?

[crimson stag]

Yes. The way I did it was just go through the mission full melee, then at the last boss unloaded my entire ammo supply into it

[tranquil grove]

Just a real pain in the ass to play the game like a zealot without any zealot perks ;-;

[graceful atlas]

Got a fat shield at least. Just need a competent team to make up for missing your shots.

[tranquil grove]

Also do shotgun pellets each individually count towards accuracy or do you just need to hit with anything in the spread?

[crimson stag]

Not sure, didnt want to sit through a mission with a shotgun to find out lol

[graceful atlas]

In Vermintide individual pellets were their own thing. I'd wager it's the same here.

[slow fog]

OK so unarmoured elites, Ogryns and the pox flamer can survive a full burst on difficulty 5. Everything else should die in a full burst with a decent flame staff

[tranquil grove]

I dont even bloody have a revolver, thx rng

[tepid gust]

do armored hits counts towards accuracy ?

[rigid wasp]

Yea

[graceful atlas]

The crafting table can't come soon enough.

[tranquil grove]

Also no assassination missions cause rng babee

[minor tendon]

Has anyone managed to do the Nothing But The Abyss penance for Zealot? If so, what was the strat?

[unborn pilot]

Is crafting actually confirmed? I've seen lots of questions but never confirmation

[slow fog]

For launch, or early post launch yes

[stuck ridge]

So against Unarmored and Lightly Armored Enemies, the Kantrael is amazing. It does solid damage and really, really good weakspot damage.

Against heavily armored enemies like the... Crusher, I think (the heavily armored Ogryn), it performs much worse compared to the Headhunter. Like, single-digit damage on weakpoint (orange) hits, and 36-115 damage on Weakspot Crits (Yellow). Standard hits deal 3-4 damage each, Standard Crits are strange, 55-165 damage.

The Headhunter, meanwhile, consistently lands between 13 and 36 damage on a Weakspot Hit (orange), and 96-155 on Weakspot Crits (yellow). Standard hits deal 7-ish damage, and Standard Crits deal 63 damage.

Problem is, the Headhunter really, really struggles with its ammo. I have a Kantrael that has 99 shots per mag with a frankly obscene 807 shots total, compared to the Headhunter with 19 shots per magazine and 194 shots total.

[copper karma]

So what's the Zealot meta right now? Or what's fun, at least? I'm lvl 22, enjoying it but also want to enjoy more difficult missions so I'd like to be sure I'm not using anything (including feats) that are actively hampering me.

[weary sapphire]

How is it even possible to play on Heresy4? My team just runs off and dies. I've tried and lost 5 games in a row in the first 10 minutes as a level 22.

[tulip star]

From what I see, the Meta seems to be Hammer and Flamer

[azure cove]

4+ seems to be a mic up and group thing. Even t3 is difficult for randoms because I keep seeing 8's and 12's queue for it. I just finished my first t3 with randoms but everyone was 20+ except one level 12 but everyone did fine

[honest jacinth]

T3 is fine if you know how to dodge block and kill.

[fossil lodge]

personally I think heavy eviscerator and boltgun is the best
but people seem to prefer thunder hammer and flamethrower for the CC

[weary sapphire]

I don't have any friends that play this game

[azure cove]

#vox-lfg-nasa

[tranquil grove]

Yeah biggest issue with a lot of the penances is needing a coordinated team effort and randoms just ain't it chief

[tough cove]

Yep, Kantreal is my to go for Veteran really, I got a 118 mag one with 965 spare ammo, if something is armored I just use combat axe heavy attack, I mostly play d3 though, not so much d4 let alone d5, there I'd probably run bolter.

[stuck ridge]

Kantrael comes with flashlight, Headhunter comes with Melee.

However, if you are willing to sacrifice a lot of accuracy, you can Slam-fire the Headhunter much faster than the Kantrael.

[slow fog]

OK so whoever told me the psyker F is an aoe is full of it

[stuck ridge]

This seems to be my experience. I'm doing tests in the Psykhanium (basically the Shooting Range), not in combat, but I feel like I prefer the Kantrael for a single-shot DMR and the Accatran for horde suppression.

Haven't got to play with the Bolter or Plasma, yet, though

[slow fog]

It is, as I originally thought, a cone

[iron ledge]

what level unlock eviscorator?

[rare shadow]

what is the eviscorator is it any goood?

[tough cove]

Bolter is basically headhunter autogun, but with full pen, gigantic damage and explosive AOE and full suppression on nearby enemies.
this is my current until I can get something better, due to the perk I and using the 75% reduced ranged damage during ult, it basically becomes a rapid-fire weakspot destroyer

[stuck ridge]

Basically, the Headhunter right now is in a really bad spot. If it's going to have more recoil, it should have better pen and damage. Even with the odds stacked in the Headhunter's favor, with a much better rating, Crucis Roulette, and Purple, the Kantrael is massively outperforming it.

[wind orbit]

kantraels are fucking awesome, ngl

[stuck ridge]

And yes, I just did this experiment because I accidentally wasted a massive amount of Dockets on a Headhunter by mistake

[tough cove]

Hahah, I only bought one to give it a try, it's just not worth using at the moment, there's better options, regardless of waht you're trying to do

Unlike helbore, that one actually has a spot, I personally don't like it, but at least the charging mechanism and having a bayonet on it makes it something of an acquired taste item

[rare shadow]

vets make a diff in a party god damn

[stuck ridge]

Charging the Helbore feels like what the Headhunter Mk. VII should be doing, or, you know, close to it.

For sacrificing that much ammo, you should be hitting like a truck on Weakspot hits.

[tough cove]

Yes kinda, the reason I don't use the helbore is cause the ironsights are absolute garbage, at least headhunter has better ironsights I guess

[random aurora]

Hey all, If I buy the imperial edition, do I get access to the premium currency now in the beta??

[tough cove]

nope, you'll see it at release, just like teh cosmetics

[random aurora]

Thanks

[bold saffron]

Okay serious question WTF Is the autogun for on the Sharpshooter as I found during my play through (up to lvl 22 on it) that Autoguns are kinda useless with Las guns Revolvers existing around the same Level early game then mid game you start seeing Shotguns which are better at CC than the Autogun and then at level 20 and up you get the bolt gun which makes practically everything but a few guns Obsolete for the Vetran

[tough cove]

I like the autogun cause it's a bit more flexibile, can just magdump a mutant if he grabbed a friendo, and can do the same face damage as a lasgun, but I kinda use it the same as kantrael.

I should clarify, only the braced autogun, the others are just not worth using.

[bold saffron]

@tough cove Idk I just never found the apeal especially once you get access to Recon Las

[tough cove]

It's probably my bias that doesn't help here, I hate the recon las

[bold saffron]

Twin recon Las guns just be Nutty ngl but I prefer the Bolter

[charred galleon]

Any class does

[slow fog]

Huh it is weird that zombies count as "infested" armour, compared to the regular goons which are unarmoured

[bold saffron]

they are infested doh

[tough cove]

I've never tried; does a recon lasgun do well against assisnation boss?

[slow fog]

Also, apparently "Dreg rager" is an armour type?

[tepid gust]

Better for horde clearing, lasguns are perfect for single target damage especially withburn stacks. imo revolver and pistols arent good unless your taking bolter which is ok. Shotguns are iffy for me, I prefer the autogun in comparison to shotgun especially if it has the supression on close kill buff on it.

[bold saffron]

Better than a Autogun at least my recon las with 90 rounds a mag @tough cove

[rancid swift]

Can someone help me solve the riddle of the Mr. Fantastic melee units

[tough cove]

Just dump into the head I assume? since you basically have 0 recoil?

[bold saffron]

yup basically dump into weakpoints

Me and another vetran completely melted a beast of Nurgle doing that with 2 recon las's taking roughly 20 seconds too kill it after we shit ourselves as it came round the corner

[tough cove]

It's funny that the best tactic with assassination target boss is to just zerg rush him in melee, drop a medkit and you're done in 20-30 seconds, dunno if that works on D4 or D5 though

[charred galleon]

Which of the staffs are the best? From my Testing the lightning staff feels the best with being able to stun Like any mob and Elite is Just so strong

[slow fog]

Yeah the flamer, trapper, mutant and rager all have armour type "Dreg rager". unsure if this is a bug

[random aurora]

Are the plasma guns worth it??

[tough cove]

For bosses yes, for the rest it's overkill, so not really, just bring a bolter

[bold saffron]

Plasma guns do silly 1 shot Alpha Bolter is better for everything but Bosses

[tough cove]

I guess you could go for style points with it lol

[bold saffron]

It also glows thats a positive

[random aurora]

Ah kk, cool thanks. Definitely has style points ahah

[nova fractal]

is there any way to lower the max peril sound effect? its so deafening considering how much you have to brain burst. I even have my game turned down %50

[slow fog]

Oh thats an interesting find

[tough cove]

I personally lowered all game sound to like 50%, because then I can actually hear people on in-game voice chat, also makes everything else less deafening, but specials are still clear to be heard

[bold saffron]

I am probably weird cause I enjoyed the Lucious las guns as my main weapon as a veteran till i got the bolter

[slow fog]

The force sword special attack animation length is determined by whether you did a heavy or light attack. Damage changes too

[tough cove]

Which one is that again, is that the middle one that shoots slower than kantrael, but faster than helbore?

[bold saffron]

@tough cove the Charge up Krieger Gun

[random aurora]

I like the high rate of fire, high damage kantrael. Very versatile

[tough cove]

Oof, I commend your ability to put up with it, I'd alt+F4 if I was forced to play with it lol

[slow fog]

Doing a light attack is about .8 seconds, a heavy attack is about 1.2 seconds

[bold saffron]

Also i've found Revolvers are kinda Shit on level 3 Endless hordes and above

5 rounds then a Punishing reload time defo not good

[tough cove]

yes, again, just bolter it, it's fun, but meh, bolter overshadows it, on D4 I don't know what weapon to use, I usually stick with Kantrael still, simply to have enough ammo with all the elites, I'd use bolter, but not enough ammo.

[bold saffron]

@tough cove I mean like as a Pre level 20 Veteran before you can run a bolter

[tough cove]

Ah sorry

[random aurora]

What would you guys recommend I do with my premium currency? should i save it or just spend it on something good

[bold saffron]

Save it till something good

[tough cove]

Save it, they'll probably add some cool shit eventually you'll be like "Omg this helmet looks wicked" or "This gun camo is nuts"

[bold saffron]

Waiting for my Great Coat and Gas mask Cosmetics

[random aurora]

Ah ok cool, are purples worth spending premium currency on? there is a gangsta power sword at sire melks

[tough cove]

I want a sienna helmet for psyker

[bold saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer40k-vraks-siege-of-vraks-death-korps-gif-20931228

[crimson dagger]

is premium currency the stuff you get for weekly quests?

[bold saffron]

No Prem curency is a Silver bar thing Sire Milks is just Mission currency

[tough cove]

No man, don't spend it on items, just shop those, later you can craft to adjust your weapons, so you're less dependent on RNG, save premium currency for cosmetics

[random aurora]

Ah kk, thanks

[bold saffron]

RNG was kind to me ngl after one mission i got Purple Catachan sword that lasted me till my first power sword

[tough cove]

I just realized you're talking about the sir melk earnable currency @random aurora , not the premium one, in that case just do what you want, as those are quite farmable, but I'd probably still save it up for cosmetics

I personally am not going to spend that currency until I am max level with each hero and crafting is available

[tough cove]

first one, stamina is worth more then health, if you at least use blockign and pushing

[bold saffron]

I stack wounds

[rare aurora]

No my question is what is the difference. I get Max health but i don't understand the +X% health

[slow fog]

helfff

[tough cove]

I only use wound curios with friends, in publics if you're downed you're usually fucked

[bold saffron]

@tough cove I get lucky lol

[tough cove]

Oh I see, it's just a how do you say that in english, description discrepancy? They do the same thing

[slow fog]

This close to greatness, but what awful traits haha

[crimson dagger]

Wounds is extra bars of health?

[tough cove]

yes, allows you to go down more often, going down is great, because it takes 1 wound, but refills the rest of your bar with health, so extra wounds make you VERY survivable (assuming people pick you up)

[bold saffron]

@crimson dagger How many times you can be downed before a Full casualty

[fallen shell]

More like extra chances to go down, but not extra HP count

[crimson dagger]

oh right

[bold saffron]

I get on 3s and Below like 5 or 6 wounds? at least with my build

[slow fog]

Dat 475 tho

[rigid wasp]

whats the chance on the thunder hammer because im lvl 24 and still havent seen one

[rare aurora]

ahh okay. Yea it was the difference in description that was confusing. I'm not sure why they wouldn't have just said "+X% Max Health" for all perks instead of removing the word "Max" for some

[tough cove]

I believe it unlocks at 25

[bold saffron]

@tough cove its 25 or 26 iirc

[rigid wasp]

grrr lmao welp back to it then

[tough cove]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2890127609

[orchid zinc]

How to finish Sharpshooter Penance Vantage Point, Complete at least one mission of each type, ive done 6 but cannot seem to find the last one?? is there a mission that hasn't been released yet?

[bold saffron]

I was going off memory from reading that lol @tough cove

Anyone else wonder why you don't see as many Ogryn in pubby matches but when you do you get like 2 Ogrin

also @orchid zinc i think we gotta wait till tomorrow or later this week

[tough cove]

They have bigger text issues, like this, smaller "clarity" things will come after that 😛

[bold saffron]

cause i am in the same boat with you waiting on that one mission as well as Kill all 8 Dreg types have like 7-8 or 6-7

[azure cove]

Hammer all the way at 25? Shucks.

[shrewd bay]

did they fix the weapon damage bug? where a level 1 would do the same damage as a level 20 weap?

[tough cove]

Don't bother with grims and just do lvl 2-3s with modifiers likes fewer hordes and scriptures, ignore every "vanilla" mission, you'll have a nice steady income of xp

[bold saffron]

Grims are painful in pubby cause nobody understands them it seems

[tough cove]

and the fact that getting just 1 also isn't worth it, unlike in vermintide, that is what kills grims for me, if 1 of the grim holder dies, just have the other drop his as well

[azure cove]

Yeah mostly been spamming 2's with my Vet and she's a little short of 20 in not much time. My zealot is still only 10

[bold saffron]

yeah i feel some Changes to grims will be made

[tough cove]

Same, I've been playing too many classes, so I'm 29 vet, 18 ogryn and 11 zealot, while others are minmaxing their main

[bold saffron]

level 22 Veteran here and a level 4 Ogryn named beef lol

[azure cove]

To be fair even getting 1 still counted towards the requisition thing. I certainly didn't get a bunch of games with all of them and still made it through 5/5

[tough cove]

Oh yea, if you need it for that then it makes sense, but not for the xp versus difficulty increase
1 grim = 60-70% of the difficulty, but only 55xp
2 grims = 510 xp, but the full 100% difficulty increase due to curse

Literally trash if you don't bother taking both or lose 1, unless you REALLY want it, but I wouldn't put that on publics, I'd only do that with friends

[bold saffron]

I rather do Scripter missions and then change a Grim collection mission for like Massacere in melee missions

[normal tendon]

That’s actually a pretty good roll too

[random aurora]

Can you get master crafted weapons from the regular shop??

[split anvil]

Nope
You used to be able to in the closed beta test I think

[azure cove]

The scrip one is annoying though because it's like, most groups can only find like 1-2 at a time T_T

[bold saffron]

I bet its only Sire Milks

[slow fog]

Unfortunately its on psyker, who is ultimately going to be best off with a force sword, but Im thinking of grabbing it anyway. I'm only 400 marks off

[bold saffron]

I need too get a Imperium issue Bolt gun and Power sword i just have blue flavor atm

[tough cove]

Because most people forget to look for them, I'm usually like "Hey guys, hang one let me check under the brdge" on voice chat, and then people are like "Oh yea"

[ember umbra]

that sucks i just started to learn the spawns getting it done in a few runs now just keep an eye on where ppl are when they get one

[bold saffron]

also hope for no DCing

[tough cove]

yea, some of them reguarly spawn in the same place too

[azure cove]

I -try- to but I blink and kill a small horde with my axe and notice it's 2/3 all of the sudden

[tough cove]

luckily you can grab scriptures from dead people, save teh script, rescue teammate later 🤣

[azure cove]

I've literally only found one myself so far and it was on like a dead soldier's body

[ember umbra]

im just glad ones the team get count

[tough cove]

Question for max leveled people, does xp do anything after hitting max level? Like in VT2 where you'd get commendation boxes?
Do you still occasionally get loot from completing missions?

[split anvil]

Nothing

[bold saffron]

Just money

[tough cove]

Big sad, I loved teh commendation boxes, I see the currency gained as a replacement for getting a box at the end, so I feel like we lost a way to gain loot if there's indeed no replacement for commendation boxes

[bold saffron]

so question here will we possibly see a mission to clear out a Gene steeler nest or smthing eventually to expand on the enemy types?

[normal tendon]

You can get loot from completing missions but it’s not consistent

[tough cove]

I'm sure one of the DLC/expansions will be either tyranids like we got beastmen, or it will be another chaos faction like khorne/tzeench/slaanesh (hmmmm slaanesh 😏 )

Imagine getting bumrushed by a group of slaaneshi fanatics, half covered in lingerie 🤣

[bold saffron]

@tough cove don't tempt me with slanesh they are my chaos faction lol im a imp guard guy at heart lol

[half bough]

I am also sure we will get other dlcs, or cosmetics for each theme too to be honest

[bold saffron]

i think Nids and Gene stealers would make the most sense as its a fucken hive and a big one

[tough cove]

Tzeench would be dope too though, teleporting enemies, or stealthed/cloaked enemies, they'd be an absolute pain, but good change in flow

I think we can all agree teh road ahead will be great

[bold saffron]

have missions start normally and next thing you know a tzeench assasin just stabbed your psyker in the ass

tzeench lore wise would be the most likely to have assassin cultists that or slaneshi

cause Slaanesh doesn't give a fuck

[mighty heart]

Quick question, does the Make Every Shot Count penance for vet, with 100% accuracy and no ammo left, count melee hits for the accuracy challenge?

[bold saffron]

just ranged so you can pump your ammo into the first thing and then switch to a good melee and be a vanguard

[mighty heart]

thanks @bold saffron i get the feeling bolter would be best cause small amount of ammo

[tired crown]

@mighty heart I've seen people mention the revolver for it, only like 6+36 shots

[bold saffron]

i'd say revolver tbh

[mighty heart]

gotcha thanks man

[bold saffron]

bolter can be a bit unweildy tbh for accuracy cause you'll forget the hip fire is 2 round burst

[mighty heart]

i just gotta wait for a revolver to show up in shop now lol

[weak yarrow]

are script/grim pickups shared for this quest in this game? or do you gotta pick them up

[bold saffron]

@weak yarrow shared

[tough cove]

well you don't hipfire unless it's getting close, even with other guns

[bold saffron]

@tough cove i agree

[tough cove]

it's less responsive than a lasgun though, I'll give you that

[kindred raptor]

My shop breaks every couple hours every day its so fucking annoying and slows my progression down any idea if i can fix it?

[stuck patrol]

Best sidearm for the zealot for pug games when your veteran teammates are plebs who don't focus the enemies with guns?

[bold saffron]

well shotguns just hipfire go brrrrrr also the bolter even in a cqc hipfire its likely to miss the second shot due to recoil

[bold saffron]

Revolver or bolter

[candid idol]

What Ogryn weapon can actually kill armored enemies?

[stuck patrol]

Cheers

[mild summit]

For Heavyweight Champion, it's very specifically 4 Ogryns in a single charge, correct? Has anyone gotten it, and how difficult was it?

[mighty heart]

i beast on crushers and other stuff with the bolter

[plucky river]

tips for psyker

[candid idol]

Easy on difficulty 5

[raw sage]

Melee single target attack. Grenade launcher. Box of grenades.

[bold saffron]

bolter is great for mass staggering especially on big brute targets

@candid idol The grenade gauntlet iirc does AP cause Explosive

[candid idol]

Sorry, I should've specified Ranged weapon. I like the shield. I'll see if it works out

[mild summit]

Bolter feels great in general
I love just erasing small enemies and melting mostly unarmored elites

[raw sage]

Grenade launchers

[candid idol]

Idk why Stubber isn't AP

[bold saffron]

isn't stubber like AP -1 in game or something

[slow fog]

Stubbers are literally like 20th century tech

[candid idol]

It goes blue on shooting certain enemy's skin lol

[bold saffron]

@tough cove btw the reason the Lucious pattern is the charge up rifle i believe is cause the Krieg like High power accurate fire power so lore wise it makes sense to charge up and do lots of dmg

[candid idol]

Its two gigantic tank cannons designed to take out light vehicles, strapped together.

[slow fog]

If you mean the heavy stubber, no its not

[dapper moon]

throwing box grenades with bombs away is so much fun now

[mossy crane]

Do other veteran personality voice talk about cadia if they are from cadia but not the cutthroat voice?

[stuck ridge]

You're thinking of the Autocannon, which is estimated to be between 20 and 35mm.

The Heavy Stubber is basically an M2 Browning.

[slow fog]

It may look that way, but the heavy stubber is the equivalent of a modern LMG. The light vehicle destroying heavy weapon is the autocannon which I dont think is in this game at all

[raw sage]

Str 4 AP 0

[bold saffron]

I have the full cadian Veteran

[candid idol]

Damn. The rounds look like JMJs or something else ridiculous. I really feel like they should do more.

[bold saffron]

i've read about Ogryn Carrying around Las cannons Heavy Bolters and Autocannons so i wouldn't be suprised if one of those becomes a high rank unlock for Ogryn

[stuck ridge]

Ogryn with a Lascannon would be hilarious

[candid idol]

Multilas

[slow fog]

Yeah a multi las or an autocannon I can maybe see

[honest gazelle]

give ogryn fists option with a one punch special attack

[slow fog]

A lascannon would be kind of tricky, maybe they could give it the Space Marine treatment and make it like a sniper or something

[crimson dagger]

Yeah, my vet spoke about Cadia. My favourite was responding to the Ogryn saying he missed home with a bitter " at least you have a home "

[bold saffron]

doesn't Sergent Harker carry a heavy Bolter around and he is just a Catachan Sergent?

[raw sage]

Multilaser? Quick call CS Goto

[raw sage]

Sure. So does Bragg.

[abstract jolt]

its impossible to take this for psyker?

[slow fog]

Weirdly, heavy bolters (at least in the TTRPGs) arent that good. Autocannons are way better haha

[mossy crane]

Ahh it was a different personality than cutthroat? Just wondering if cutthroat is the only one that talks about cadia or not

[candid idol]

TTRPG is stupid balance wise compared to lore lol

[bold saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-wh40k-sly-marbo-aaaaaa-alfabusa-gif-14316691

[crimson dagger]

yeah wasnt cutthroat, I didnt like that voice

[raw sage]

ACs are definitely better than heavy bolters, unless you need to mow down hordes.

[bold saffron]

Me when you have a bot and all the Players are downed at the end of a Extraction and the plane is right fucken there

[slow fog]

We kind of need to put a pin here that not all mission types have been released yet

[raw sage]

But don't underestimate massed heavy bolters either. 6 valkyries with door heavy bolters and multilasers and rocket pods can put out a world of hurt.

[slow fog]

Multi las are also better than heavy bolters haha

[bold saffron]

I wouldn't mind seeing a Shielded Nade gauntlet lol

[raw sage]

In Elysian armies valkyries are more than just drive by deep strike melta bomb cars

[bold saffron]

In Krieg armies Valkeries are a Myth

[mossy crane]

Same here. Wanted to be professional but the char selection shows cutthroat having cadia so I thought other 2 don't talk about cadia

[stone urchin]

I did it just now, started a difficulty 5 mission with endless hordes, and theres usually atleast 4 bulwarks/reapers/crushers at the very start, took me a few attempts but I managed to get it

[bold saffron]

anyone else apart of the 0.1% who has this achievement lol

[slow fog]

Got that sucker on my second game as vet lmao

[onyx ore]

yep and the overwatch

[odd torrent]

right so I asked this in general but in hindsight, might be better to ask here
how does the Force Sword's amplify work on light attack vs heavy attack? I noticed the animation on heavy attack seems to be longer, does that mean it does more damage?

[obtuse owl]

nah but im a team player

[slow fog]

Yes. the light attack has a faster animation but does less damage

[bold saffron]

I just kill all the enemies before i let my teamates get downed clearly ya gotta do better lol

[slow fog]

Very roughly, the light attack burst animation is around .8 seconds, the heavy is about 1.2

[odd torrent]

aight makes sense, thanks for the answer
I did notice the light attack does less damage in the meat grinder, but I wasn't sure how much of that was me hitting them with a light or heavy attack vs the amplify

[gentle tangle]

so do yall think they gonna bother fixing bad performance or should i just refund?

[bold saffron]

They will its litterally a BETA still

[sudden axle]

thoughts on lvl 15 feat for ogryn? this is: coherency range, allies increased movespeed on charge, or charge cdr when elites killed

[bold saffron]

hmm Coherency range is good

[gentle tangle]

betas dont mean anything tbh, when a beta exists, its mostly likely going to be the release state of a game

[shadow sorrel]

Is there any information on what the current item level cap is? Just wondering when I should start being happy with the item level of stuff I get

[bold saffron]

@shadow sorrel Personally just upgrade when ever ya feel your kit is a lil lacking lol

[blazing schooner]

visual bug for any ammo cap over 1000, shows only last 3 digit

[bold saffron]

Should be a button on launcher to bug report

[odd torrent]

I'd say either coherency range or increased movement speed
coherency is always good for that buff + Toughness regen
movement speed for allies on charge is also good when you rush a bunch of ranged enemies so your team can also follow up just a bit faster

that being said, I think I'd take Coherency most of the time, it's just a generalist pick that's better imo

[bold saffron]

@odd torrent I would say so too the Rush is good for non Pubby games with friends too so it is always there if you play with people your on coms with

I assume every ogryn player takes the Nades pop out of the box and go off when it shits all over a target you just hit in the face perk?

[chrome finch]

is there a thread where I can post my Dxdiag or something? I am having a ton of Frame rate problems with this game that weren't as bad during the closed beta

[tough cove]

That statement is funny in a way, considering they're also known for just using overpowering artillery XD

[bold saffron]

I meant the Small arms aspect

[odd torrent]

I prefer Heavyweight tbh. it's highly situational, sure, but it's nice to have and it helps me tank them for longer
I also thought about the bleed on heavy, especially since I run the Toughness on Heavy attack but eh...it's only really good vs elites and with the damage reduction bleed talent I find

[tough cove]

I know, still funny 😛

[tough cove]

I never take the nade one, indeed heavyweight feels like more useful utility over a complete run, I'd consider the nade one if I knew i'd have a grenadier veteran on the team though

[stable spear]

while cool it's kinda hard to pass up being able to proc your damage reduction without needing someone else to proc bleed

[odd torrent]

thing is you proc bleed on a heavy attack

most enemies outside of elites will probably die or be very close to dying after a heavy attack

[bold saffron]

Seems the Ogryn has the least amount of weapons so we might see a handheld Autogun or Multi laser

[hollow slate]

Think this heavy sword is worth using? just got it as an emperor award

[bold saffron]

cleave is damage across Mobs right?

[hollow slate]

im guessing so?

[bold saffron]

I'd say it is tbh no powersword though the thunder hammer could be good too

[hollow slate]

nah thunderhammer has been a huge letdown, Way too slow on swings its just great for slow single target

[tough cove]

That's a lot of cleave if you include the perk

[odd torrent]

goddaaaamn that is a good sword

[bold saffron]

I'd se that tbh

probably is a better cleave than a charged powersword on a heavy attack

[hollow slate]

Yea im lucky. Thats the first purple ive been awarded

[rich cobalt]

cleave is how many dudes it passes through before stopping, and cleave damage is a modifier on how much the damage gets reduced on every dude it goes through

[odd torrent]

I got a really good Ogryn weapon today, onyl a blue one but man it just decimates shit, especially hordes lmao

[bold saffron]

hmm?

[hollow slate]

just tested it out and it hits way too light compared to my eviscerator and cleaves less as well

[bold saffron]

I'd keep it

[rich cobalt]

mhm, that's my experience with the heavy swords. it's like if a rapier and a catachan sword had a kid with the benefits of neither

[tough cove]

didn't grenade respawn rate be 45 per grenade, did they change it to 60 sec?

[raw sage]

Yes

[bold saffron]

It was last i checked

[raw sage]

Detailed patch notes on forums from today that hedge posted

[mossy crane]

Hmm saw a 280 shovel on shop. Should I buy? Using a 220 chainsword

[wet bloom]

I struggle with conserving revolver ammo, is my favorite gun just bad in that department or am I?

[raw sage]

Me and my ripper gun lol

[odd torrent]

bear in mind, my Ogryn is only level 10 but this weapon is super strong so far

[bold saffron]

Revolvers are good but Once your past Vanilla 3's and on too Endless 3s and even Lower horde 4's it just lacks sadly too many enemies not enough ammo

[odd torrent]

it's so good on hordes man
and even if there ends up being smth armored, I just hit it with a heavy attack a couple of times and if I don't stagger it, I kill it

[wet bloom]

That sucks, guess I'll just stick to the high damage las gun for now

[bold saffron]

yeah I find Shield Ogryn great too

[bold saffron]

play what you like but keep a eye out for weapons as they all have a use

[odd torrent]

btw, let's say I did a penance for Zealot
if I delete my Zealot and make a new one, does the new Zealot also have that penance done? i.e. do I keep the cosmetics?

[raw sage]

What exactly is "power"?

[wet bloom]

Yeah

[odd torrent]

well, in Vermintide, 'power' is the catch all term that just makes your character do everything better
power increases damage, cleave, stagger, everything related to the hit

[raw sage]

Ah, power level. They mentioned that briefly in the tutorial.

[wet bloom]

I finished long bomb and the 5 headshots or whatever on my vet then realized I didint like their hight and was only one mission in so I made a new one

[velvet bone]

just had someone trying to guilttrip me for calling him greedy for greeding a grim without known what it was..

[wet bloom]

Use the power of not caring.

[velvet bone]

"im leaving i dont feel welcome"
"then go.. "
"nice community we have"
"go"
"im leaving"

[dense temple]

I'm a new player playing zealot. How much better do the weapons get? I'm lvl 8 now

[azure cove]

You just described half of Neopets back in the day

[wet bloom]

chainsaw greatswords and thunder hammers

[hollow slate]

Chainswords, Eviscerators, Flame throwers and great guns await you!

[velvet bone]

i think zel has the best weapons.. you like chainsaws and fire?

[raw sage]

Also don't forget bolters

[mossy crane]

Anyone know what does special ammo in shotgun do? Tested out in meatgrinder but it doesn't seem to do anything special

[finite vine]

You get the best thing of them all, serving the Emperor 🙏

But like they said, Chainswords, Eviscerators(2-handed chainsword), chainaxes, flamethrowers and bolters.

[quasi cairn]

Anyone have any tips for completing the "friends will be friends" penance for ogryn? Is this nearly impossible without a full squad of people?

[heavy comet]

Anyone have any idea how to get the ogryn penance that requires you to charge 70 meters?

[edgy egret]

why i have to play high difficulty if it only drop more exp and coin?(and yes it didnt give more drop chance from emperor gift)(grim and scriptor too)

[sudden axle]

blood and thunder's text isn't updated but it still does 4 bleed instead of 1 now, right?

[dapper bridge]

is it worth using weekly coins on the mystery weapons?

[dense temple]

are these better then the starting axe

[edgy egret]

dont buy random box

[dapper bridge]

okay copy thank you

[finite vine]

100%, there is better and more specialized axes you can get later on aswell.

[slow fog]

Maulers looking rough under there

[dense temple]

How hard does the game get?
Currently doing danger 3 with my lvl 8 zealot and it's challenging, but I wonder how difficult diff 5 is with a maxed acc?

[slow fog]

Some hard

[edgy egret]

just dont play threat lv 3 if u hav lv10 lower

[dense temple]

I'm playing threat 3 because it's fun and gives good XP and gold. I'm not losing yet

[north wolf]

As a psyker I feel like I'm constantly just on the headpop to keep the buff up, and barely get to use my other weapons.

[raw sage]

Or your teammates are carrying you :p

[rare shadow]

what friggin gun is this? its like some sort of rail gun medium to long range and theres another like M16 looking one that fires super fast @ any vets?

[edgy egret]

i know some ppl already beat high threat with more lv character but u have to know, if u have low lv it mean your dps will low too, (and yes your team and bot have to carry your lowly dps)

[tough cove]

Every time I try to merge with people it says they're on another update, literally the whole last week, is the merge function just broken?

[brittle nest]

Should I get this for 7000

[rare shadow]

its only 7000

[arctic kelp]

That’s a bolter - think of it like a assault rifle that fires grenades

[tough cove]

no trash, absolute trash damage, good for disruption tho, I'd say just skip it and level up a bit more, you'll see a better one in store refresh after a few matches for sure, you'll outlevel it after 4-6 matches

[rare shadow]

holy hell bolters are crazy powerful and look super fun

[raw sage]

Super fast firing one is the accatran pattern lasgun (yay flyboys getting some love after so many years!)

[arctic kelp]

They are like viscerally fun to shoot

[rare shadow]

damn that and the bolter are amazingly fun to watch lol

[raw sage]

Rockets*

[stuck ridge]

The Accatran is so good I love it. :)

The Bolter is fun but dang the ammo count is low

[arctic kelp]

Sure, rocket propelled…grenades :3

[stuck ridge]

Honestly more like Rocket Propelled APHEBC shells

[arctic kelp]

Welly gyrojet…propelled. I guess

[sour depot]

With lower lvl u have less talents, less trinket slots, less power weapons rating, lower rarity weapons with less bonuses sooo... Yea

[rare shadow]

yeah im going to level vetran after my zeolot. people be sleeping on vet right now they are so good

[brittle nest]

When should you move to treat lv2

[dense temple]

Is there a combat dummy in this game?

[edgy egret]

that the reason why ppl shouldnt play threat 3 when they hav lv10 lower

[stuck ridge]

As long as you know how to stick together and find a wall to put your backs against when Hordes come, you can do pretty well on Malice

[sour depot]

Some shoulnt even with lvl 20, skill is important in Darktide and gear dont carry u through mission by it self

[edgy egret]

it doesnt matter how good you play well i mean am talking about your dps,your dps in low lv it cant do much

[cobalt salmon]

go to Psykhanium and choose Meat Grinder

[bronze glen]

Hey guys, are either of these any good?

[heavy shuttle]

Matchmaking in 3+ difficulty isnt in a good way from my experience. Best to save 3 and up difficulty for 3 and up friends

[mild summit]

Lemme give you a visual representation

[dusk pollen]

both seem good to me, the dmg resistance to snipers and xp seem unnecessary, and the top wep could have better sub traits too, but toughness is good, the i lvl and damage of the weapon is good, and if you hit heads it will penetrate armor so thats good

[edgy egret]

in threat 3 or higher i thing 1 veteran and 1 big guy is important

[dusk pollen]

Can someone tell me how the decimator perk works? It seems busted am I misreading how it works?

[bronze glen]

True, idk why you can get XP up on a level 30 equip

[lunar ferry]

help me understand here, so the bigger the bar, the more damage? irrespective of the power level of the item?

[stuck ridge]

Do Hounds and Mutants select targets when spawning? Because I feel like sometimes I hear the Hound sound effect, look around, see no hound, then move, which removes my Camo bonus, and the Hound is immediately behind me.

[dusk pollen]

this perk seems outragous

[edgy egret]

not recommend curio didnt hav corruption/hp/toughness (why u need exp when u hav max lv)(wait next day)

[lunar ferry]

e.g. a 350 item with a 80% bar vs a 400 item with a 60% bar, the 350 does more?

(can't afford to buy and test both or I would have)

[stuck ridge]

Also, damn, now that I have a bolter I keep getting teammates who just fethin eat every shot I make and waste my ammo

[rare shadow]

4man zeolot squad

[edgy egret]

rip

[raw sage]

4 ogryns is hilarious

[heavy comet]

wish I could come across 4 ogryns to charge through

[raw sage]

Ask FS if you can play as the AI Director

[old locust]

Is there two missions types not available right now?

[tough cove]

Yea I got it on the shovel instead, it's absolutely amazing

[north wolf]

Is trauma force staff any good?

[rigid wasp]

anyone running this game on an RX 5500 xt?

[heavy stone]

Accatrans are glorious. Some of the highest DPS you can get out of a las vs flak too, amazing ammo pool and recoil management 😄

[tough cove]

"What Recoil?"

[heavy stone]

recoil what XD

Kantrael XII, Accatrans def seem the most popular of the bunch so far. Lucius is a little slow to draw + charge, alas (still well-liked by a bunch of folks here)

[dusk pollen]

4 psykers is a lost mission Sadge

[tight shale]

So...anyone notice that all Heresy missions (except those with the Fewer Horde modifier) have the Endless Modifier on them, even if it's not shown in the Mission Select screen? You can confirm by going into a Heresy mission that supposedly has no modifiers and holding tab

Helps explain why Heresy is stonking difficult atm

And since they seem to have removed the Fewer Hordes modifier...we're stuck with a brick wall for Heresy atm

[bold bronze]

So am I going crazy or does Sire Melk (aka; contracts guy) sound like Bardin...anyone know if its the same voice actor?

[clever citrus]

Holy shit that's nice D:

[crimson olive]

He is iirc

[stone wing]

honestly the medicae voice actor sounds familiar to me and I don't know why

[rigid wasp]

Pretty sure its the same VA as Lohner from Vermintide 2

[coarse mango]

Should i take it ?

[stone wing]

no
406 is a really low roll for a milk coin item, you could literally get something with the same power from the normal shop

[north wolf]

Is EXP depending on individual performance? Or fixed on completion?

[tired crown]

It's fixed depending on the mission difficulty, completion, modifiers, and secondary objectives

[slow fog]

ARGH got to end boss and CTD

[tired crown]

No, I believe that the higher power level item would be better in that instance. But there's no way to be sure without testing it.

[stuck ridge]

Power Level is kind of abstract. A Power Level 359 Headhunter is objectively worse than a PL 309 Kantrael, for example

[arctic plover]

if you are going for the penance for Zealot where you need to not fire a single shot does it fuck you up if you disconnect? im not firing but I still dont get it when I come back in.

[iron ledge]

what level do I UNLOCK evicerator?

[mellow mason]

There's a zealot talent that says "15% toughness damage reduction (allies in coherency)". Does this mean it gives the bonus to allies in coherency, or is active on the zealot only while allies are in coherency, or both?

[stuck ridge]

Seconded, I have no idea

[molten hedge]

Around lvl 18-19

[stuck ridge]

I've noticed it takes the Shop a little bit to catch up. Supposedly, you unlock the Plasma at Trust Level 25

[iron ledge]

ty

[honest ice]

which 4th talent you running on ogryn

[lucid delta]

does charging the surge staff actually do anything? cause im testing it in the meatgrinder and im not really seeing any damage changes compared to just casting the chain lighting asap

[sour depot]

Its for allies near u

[mellow mason]

so doesnt benefit the zealot?

[obtuse owl]

u dont have to, its completely optional
@heavy comet feats
@lucid delta longer duration

[sour depot]

It does, keeps your teammates alive and u in range of their coherency buffs

[stone wing]

here's the real question

does coherency chain
I feel like it does
IE if the team forms a long line, will the front and back be in coherency even though they're out of range of each other's coherency bubble

[sour depot]

Idk, didnt try this. But would be cool if its does

[stone wing]

considering some of the ranges i've seen myself in coherency with the entire party
It has to

[outer sierra]

is there a memory leak or something this patch.... my FPS have tanked

[stone wing]

Like the mission with the nurgle poopy tree
I've been in coherency with the entire party despite it stretching across the entire poopy tree room

[mellow mason]

what if there are 4 zealots in a pparty? do we all get the aura buff?

[sour depot]

It should work that way, yes

[rocky sierra]

Powersword is uncontested best melee for veteran rn right?

[cobalt knoll]

Is this good?

[rare shadow]

i was gonna ask a question but i'll wait until urs is answered

[cobalt knoll]

Na, feel free to ask

[storm laurel]

yes

[stone wing]

besides the fact that the catachan sword is good to begin with?
You'd be better off looking for one that has damage vs unarmored
but yeah it's good because it's 460
when crafting gets added you'll be able to turn that into a monster

[cobalt knoll]

Hrm. neat. Thanks

[rancid perch]

worth getting this for 2.5k or rather save the currency for max ilvl?

[gray elk]

looks pretty good, the heavy 1 on that sword already does good single target damage so it'll nail specials and elites

[rare shadow]

so im gonna hit level 20 whats a good choice here im a zealot

[hollow slate]

Think its worth the majority of my coins?

[stone wing]

no, not even remotely

[gray elk]

you also stack Wrath really fast on that mark sword, because the horde killing combo is light -> heavy -> repeat and it's really fast

[cobalt knoll]

Oh nice

[hollow slate]

yea think ill wait for a legendary eviscerator if i can

[outer bloom]

Can somebody explain exactly how the sharpshooter achievement "Long Bomb" works? It says "kill 3 enemies with a frag grenade without it bouncing" but I can't seem to get it. I've tried underhanding, throwing way long, is there a difficulty requirement? What am I missing?

[storm laurel]

it just has a really long fuse

[gray elk]

pretty sure I got it by throwing a grenade straight up in the air

[mellow mason]

throw it really far. use the green line - it explodes at the end of the green line

[outer bloom]

oh so literally it can't hit the floor

[mellow mason]

ye

[stone wing]

TLDR if the milk shop items aren't at least like 430 rating
save your coins

the normal shop seems to cap out at around 400-420 rating
but the milk shop can get you higher

[cursive citrus]

cant touch the ground. Tapping your mouse button will throw it a bit closer than holding it down, and underhanding vs enemies on a platform under you or down some stairs is also a good way to get it

[humble heart]

Does rating actually do shit or are stats still not working properly?

[outer bloom]

don't buy anything with the special currency until you hit max ilvl on all your gear probably.

[stone wing]

apparently we still don't know what it is
someone had something at 507, so 500 isn't the cap

[mellow mason]

rating is just a total of all the bars basically. it doesnt affect player power like in vermintide

[outer bloom]

wait so what is the point of rating now?

[mellow mason]

higher rating items have more bars filled and filled higher than low rating items

[stone wing]

fatter stats

[humble heart]

Yeah but do the bars actually give more stats or just an illusion

[rancid perch]

so this is good?

[mellow mason]

they actually give more stats 100%. go buy two of the same gun with different damage and test them on dummies

[uncut verge]

Yeah, hedge basically explained it that the power rating is the number of points to distribute over that weapons attributes

So a lower power item can have more damage, but it will lack more in other areas

[mellow mason]

i feel like thats just flexing thats the best shield ive seen

[rancid perch]

lol, havent bought it yet, missing some coins but i still got 19 hours so i guess i get it asap

[mellow mason]

that toughness on chained hit stat basically makes you invincible to hordes

[stuck ridge]

I have a Power Sword that gives Rampage on multi-hit. It's amazing

[uncut verge]

Doesn’t say anything about stacks though

Nvm: it’s not DR, it’s regen

[outer bloom]

So the rating itself isn't a stat at all. It just means that a greater percentage of all the bars are filled.

Next question then. WHAT THE HELL DO THE BARS MEAN. Damage is somewhat obvious but some of them are item specific like "provocation".

Also is there any listing for the various keywords on the weapons? like a Kantrel XII is high damage | high capacity. A Kantrel IV or MG la is Versatile | High Capacity

[mellow mason]

it doesnt need stacks, you swipe it through a horde and hit like 5 things each time and gain 35 toughness on top of regular kill toughness

[outer bloom]

Also what's this debuff stack? Something to do with grims?

[stuck ridge]

Have they confirmed Additional Classes?

Also, that's Cohesion. Keep that high

[stone wing]

that's the coherency buff IIRC
4 means you're in coherency with everyone

[mellow mason]

no, the names are basically a mystery to be honest. we are hoping for a glossary. some are self explanatory, some are not at all. finesse is maybe crit? maybe dodge speed, maybe block speed, maybe heavy attack charge time, who knows

[uncut verge]

Mobility is Dodge distance

[outer bloom]

Ah that is good to know. I for some reason had 2 full purple bars after healing at a med station despite us only having 1 grim and that was the only status effect in the bar.

I guess the only way to figure out damage is going to be to buy a bunch of whites of the same gun and test them in the meatgrinder.

[mellow mason]

but thats a stat every weapon should have then. i think thats part of the confusion

[oak fox]

What do you guys think buy this or wait for thunder hammer

[uncut verge]

If they don’t have a stat for it, it’s fixed

[mellow mason]

eviscerator feels much better for everything but deleting heavy armor, and you can use a bolter for that

[mellow mason]

wtf is Hit Mass Bonus

[oak fox]

Not a clue

[sour depot]

U cleave more

[mellow mason]

there has to be a more clear way of conveying that

[outer bloom]

It would be really great of the company making this game if they released a full list of what their own game does. I get that learning is fun and precise meanings may not be fixed but "if your weapon has mobility it has variable dodge distance otherwise it's fixed" would be outstanding. Also what stopping power or shredder precisely means.

[old locust]

is this worth buying? or should i save for a legendary

[uncut verge]

Which currency? Mission currency? Save it for masterwork

[old locust]

Yes, its mission

[mellow mason]

tbh you could buy it and consecrate it, the crafting system lets you upgrade tiers according to the trailer

[outer bloom]

It would be a perfectly fine way of conveying that if one dev took 1 hour to write up what all the things mean.

If we had a glossary they can call it "Fishstick" for all I care

[old locust]

@mellow mason whats consecrate?

[uncut verge]

I’d pick a better base to use mission currency still

[outer bloom]

Whats the ilvl cap btw? 500?

[mellow mason]

upcoming crafting thing where you upgrade tiers of items and get more perks when doing so. but yeah, its not an amazing base

[stuck ridge]

Or, consider, that it's pretty much all hands on deck right now for several things, and that "one hour" doesn't exist.

It's a Beta, not a CoD "pre-release".

[stone wing]

no, higher

[old locust]

What would be an amazing base to have as sharpshooter?

cause i bought this earlier

[uncut verge]

Bolter with the perk that adds power for multi stagger

[outer bloom]

Bolter or Accatran Las probably, but the issue is more finding something with just the right perks and stats

[mellow mason]

man you gotta stuff it with the "its a beta" stuff when trying to squelch feedback for some reason. people see issues, they complain about issues, devs takes notice of complaints, things get fixed

[stuck ridge]

There's also an online wiki with every trait, a description, and them broken down by what weapons can have them

[uncut verge]

Improved UI is on deck and should be in by release

[mellow mason]

I saw it was being worked on, but i think its post release

[outer bloom]

That's the sort of post where you could very helpfully provide a link.

[uncut verge]

We’ll see, Hedge made it sound like it was near completion

[sour depot]

This one?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons

[mellow mason]

That shows the traits but does not say what they do

[stuck ridge]

No, I'm absolutely not going to stuff it when there's a Wiki, there's people to ask, and a lot of things for the Developers to be working on.

I'm not "squelching criticism," I'm sick and tired of people getting mad about their specific problem like it's the worst thing ever and the devs are terrible and lazy.

[uncut verge]

Hedge has alluded to the ui update giving more information about the stats than he knew about the system

[paper nest]

anyone else have a bug where the "finish 6 secondary objectives within the mission consignment yard hl17-36" where it does not count progress

[mellow mason]

show me a wiki that tells me what Hit Mass Bonus means and I'll shut up about it

[outer bloom]

There's not one wiki dude. There's a fandom domain wiki, multiple websites and search engines are clogged with dozens of SEO articles with 3 pictures and a paraphrased press release. If you have resources link them or ask a mod to pin them to the channel.

[stone wing]

fandom wiki
🤮

[outer bloom]

Alright make your own. So totally different topic. Do people feel like hunting grims and tomes provides a meaninful bonus compared to just blitzing a mission now that it doesn't effect item drop rarity?

[stone wing]

absolutely not
grims/scripts right now are a meme

[mellow mason]

i pick em up when i see em but not looking really

[sour depot]

I'm doing it just for premium currency (aka weekly missions)

[red ice]

they're worth doing for the weekly missions 100%