Los Angeles/OC/San Diego 🌈

[tall frigate]

They’ll be around for probably another week in LA then gone.

[compact hound]

Noma took all of mine

[tall frigate]

Bastards.

Come on over to Pasadena. I’m buried.

The kids just finished gorging on them.

[boreal solar]

New Rancho location or another?

The Vallerta there is crazy busy. Hoping it dies down soon.

Never mind, I had a brain fart. Of course you went to a San Diego one😂

[tight gorge]

Forgot they opened in SD. It’s a lot of people fav taqueria in actual Tijuana

[spiral arrow]

Who sells steak fries? Like the ones from Red Robins?

In/near DTLA

[tight gorge]

I also need to lose weight. Gonna start skipping my pbj sando snack pre-lunch

[compact hound]

Wurstkuche? Been like 10 yrs since I’ve last had it though

My bro went like a yr ago and said the fries are still good

[compact hound]

Do you do more P or more J

[tall frigate]

Better living through chemistry.

[cedar otter]

Backbone

[tight gorge]

P. Small J but it’s more acidic than normal. Smash foods iirc

[cedar otter]

Oh nvm

Steak frites

[tight gorge]

Prob talking like 10 lbs max atm. Been extremely busy last 4 months so haven’t been working out.

Quick diet change and I can be there.

[compact hound]

You down to do a run together

[tight gorge]

I don’t drive to run but I’ll do it for you

[compact hound]

Down to run in your hood

[tight gorge]

also i need to drive where i live now so might need to change that rule

[compact hound]

Incline would fuck me though

[tight gorge]

Rose bowl I hear is coo

Flat

[compact hound]

Im down but will be hard to coordinate mornings

[tight gorge]

Sat or sun morning

Then we eat the run away

[compact hound]

Duh

[boreal solar]

Red Robin does.

[spiral arrow]

Yeah, too bad they are all really far from me

[solid ferry]

I think we’re anti-calibrated 😂 An’s is salt + straw but gelato + long wait. Bobbi is pure produce-based gelato and super chill. I prefer the latter.

As for Tacos, I also prefer El Franc (either location) and El Gordo (Chula Vista only) over Taco Stand. El Franc and El Gordo aren’t always on point, but if you catch them at the right time 🔥

[compact hound]

We really arent calibrated

Might have to fight ngl

[solid ferry]

Feel free 😂🥋🐍

[tight gorge]

Ans was w/e when i tried it. Def see Salt straw vibes

At In-laws rn. Usually inedible but these have a hint of sweetness

[muted kindle]

fat burger does these too

[surreal pivot]

Next time you run through my hood hit me up. I need to get back in shape

[tall frigate]

People plant loquats often without concern for cultivar, so there’s so much variety in fruit quality.

[surreal pivot]

We can pit stop by Jack’s and take pics and play music on phone speakers

[tall frigate]

I think that’s part of the fun though. Some trees are so good and some are so bad.

They stripped my favorite municipal tree bare just after it set fruit this year, though. So sad.

[spiral arrow]

Oooo true

[drowsy knot]

going back tomorrow to grab a box. I wasn’t familiar with the gabi and started looking up recipes. The barista swirled the bloom excessively compared to every recipe I found and I think just muddied the cup. I think it will be much more enjoyable with clarity 🤞

[vivid violet]

I don't see any loaded trees near me..

would love to drop by your place and pilfer your trees, if you don't mind..

shall I DM ?

[eternal birch]

any EE/CE people who work with microcontrollers/kicad here?

[dull adder]

I'm still only in San Clemente 😪

Getting the required Pizza Port Pizza

[mellow sonnet]

Ai03 is actually really nice and can prob help

Although maybe only keeb related help idk

[mellow sonnet]

I got home and mentally died idk how u still down there after 3 days of expo

[dull adder]

May have been Lance's. I tried that maneuver today and it was his lol

[dull adder]

I had to skip Saturday to hang out all day in Hollywood

[eternal birch]

I prolly need to learn kicad from scratch to get help

[tall frigate]

Totes

But the spoiler is: all of south Pasadena has loaded trees right now

The mission area has tons of loquat trees on public property you can harvest

[bitter kestrel]

You’re my hero. I wanna see people’s free(-ish) hauls like it’s Halloween night

[short condor]

This what at dayglow booth at the end of the day and they said they didn’t see who left it. Was roasted in the middle of Feb but has rested just long enough now. The real question is whether this is actually the coffee it says as it was opened, clearly looks like a light roast and seem to not be the been described.

75 of the 125g listed, but could still be a misc coffee and just the bag used to out it in.

[short condor]

I don’t think you have weight to lose my friend

[weary chasm]

I did grab a box of sey Peru sl9

Lol

Red orange color

[tight gorge]

this was my fav of the sl9s

[tight gorge]

pants feeling tighter

[tight gorge]

I talked to the guy who exports the Peruvian coffee for Sey. He said because of the demand for higher end SL9s young people are returning to the farmland. Said it’s not just about price, but pride and feeling like what they grow truly matters.

[devout atlas]

Bro I’ve got a full fkn spread on my floor organized & everything - EXACTLY what I used to do on Halloween lol

[bitter kestrel]

I mean, it was your thread birthday yesterday after all.

[nimble blaze]

Has anyone tried the new gaggia with pid and the pressure gage?

[fiery crypt]

Same I had 3 bags

[mellow sonnet]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/p/DXEshZyFJbO/

Our unhinged poster is back

[short condor]

The free stuff I picked up

The stuff I actually bought

[mellow sonnet]

Didn't just pick up free bean containers at sey house? /s

Ngl tho the new squat shape is nice

I only really store my expensive ones I want to save longer

[short condor]

Minos brewer and adjustable negotiator tool. I have their pour over kettle so I was very happy to see the brand with a booth there. Two blue cups are just little demitasse cups/tasting cups, really like the color of it all. The dripper was pretty neat too so I picked it up pretty similar to area bottom.

[short condor]

I bought the 12 pack so I could freeze half a bag of whatever nice stuff I have at a time and use the rest as normal. They are meant for 20 grams but can handle 23-25 depending on bean

[mellow sonnet]

I drink everything

I have 20g of finca nuguo saved bc it's 3$/g and that's the only coffee in my freezer

💀

[mellow sonnet]

Mandarin 3. Got the Ecuador and finca sophia

[boreal solar]

My god, where doesn't have Fina Sophia these days?

I feel like you guys are ordering it somewhere new every day of the week.

[mellow sonnet]

Sophia is a new buzz word to bring in specialty coffee nerds

[desert stirrup]

Somewhat

Job opportunity????

[eternal birch]

no, tech support

[mellow sonnet]

If it's keeb related why not just ask keeb atelier server

[desert stirrup]

ha ok what's the issue?

[eternal birch]

forgot that exists but I managed to contact the pcb designer

[desert stirrup]

Also that's the sector I'm trying to learn and grow into

I'm hoping to nab a PCB designer role

[eternal birch]

UCAP at 5.2V idk if thats normal, usb isnt recognized at all. I tried flashing mcu with avrdude but I just get 0x000 returns

[desert stirrup]

So my insights may be short :/

[eternal birch]

nvm mostly just simple stuff

[mellow sonnet]

Learn from ai03

[eternal birch]

yeah I have his guide up

[mellow sonnet]

Back during covid days he would stream PCB design

Bro spent 3hr adjusting the curve of a trace bc he didn't like it

[eternal birch]

I think one of the issues was that its an XT board but atmega32u4 doesnt support enough for that

[mellow sonnet]

[eternal birch]

so it needed to make sacrifices but idk what was sacrified

[desert stirrup]

I think all the base engineering stuff will always be present. They'll be heavily aided by AI but someone with the idea will still need to push the initial design

[eternal birch]

yeah, ideate then verify

[desert stirrup]

I'm seeing some AI stuff in mechanical design, it's the same way. Super useful in taking away menial tasks but someone still needs to have the idea of the product or concept that needs designing, then have the skills to guide the AI

[desert stirrup]

For this, do you have a full wiring schematic?

[eternal birch]

no, but I'll prolly have it later

[mellow sonnet]

Most keeb designers don't give full schematic

A lot of them will walk you through reflashing boards or how to jump traces or where to harvest diodes if you popped one somehow

[eternal birch]

yeah, ill prolly send to jlc to make another 5

[mellow sonnet]

Rip

Sometimes the designers will sell u their extras

[eternal birch]

oh this is 1 of 1

[mellow sonnet]

Oh lmao

[eternal birch]

I just had friend do the pcb

[mellow sonnet]

What did u fuck up? I've never had a PCB die on me

[eternal birch]

it arrived dead 4 years ago and I havent bothered to diagnose it

[mellow sonnet]

Reflash or harvest from split shift usually fixed everything

[eternal birch]

shes also not really doing ee or keyboard stuff anymore now I dont think

[mellow sonnet]

I guess reflashing might be hard if it's 1/1

[eternal birch]

so was worried she wouldnt respond

[eternal birch]

the device isnt being recognized at all

like 0s, it doesnt even detect a usb

I probed out some of the connections and voltage seems fine except ucap, which might be the issue

[mellow sonnet]

Also your pic of the PCB is missing a lot of diodes no?

And D58

[eternal birch]

probably fell during transit, it shouldnt affect it being recognized though

all 5 didnt work

[mellow sonnet]

Just saying even if u fixed it then it wouldn't work

[eternal birch]

I can jump

but I have a built one that is fine

[mellow sonnet]

That's a lot of jumping

[eternal birch]

actually think its a design issue with ucap being at 5V probably cooked the mcu

[mellow sonnet]

Can you jump diodes? I've never jumped diodes only when the pads were ripped off lol

I always desolder and resolder the diode harvested from a diff area

[eternal birch]

I can just resolder them

yeah

[mellow sonnet]

Oh if ur comfortable resoldering why not just swap the ucap and keep the pcbs instead of ordering a whole PCB

[eternal birch]

soldering diode I can be sloppy, soldering mcu

also pretty sure the mcu was fried the moment I plugged usb in because of the voltage issue (I think this is the case, but need to verify)

[earnest robin]

I cannot imagine frying MCU with USB power alone

[eternal birch]

hm

[earnest robin]

Look up how to check health on that atmega with multimeter

[mellow sonnet]

Mcu isn't hard lol just be less liberal on solder and use lots of flux

https://www.instagram.com/p/DXDy5hkk5vc/

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In classic Taiwanese fashion he wore full issey

[glossy sail]

We should have counted how many people wore issey. Also is it only east Asians that wear issey??? Hahaha

[mellow sonnet]

Japanese and Taiwanese love issey for some reason

[left kite]

I think AI03 specifically releases his outlines on his website

https://ai03.com/projects/vega/

I remember him being super transparent on his design releases back then

[mellow sonnet]

yeah because ai03 is good

[eternal birch]

vega feels very nice

not used to this better angle though, used to f1 destroying my wrist

[mellow sonnet]

sherry heard me speak chinese for the first time today and clocked me for being taiwanese

[short condor]

So mandarin 8 is prejudice is what you’re saying 😂

[short condor]

Better look at the haul

[mellow sonnet]

didnt get the legendary mothballs and grandparents

[lone pier]

sicko haul

[compact hound]

Brewed that drd gesha this morning

Was yum

[mellow sonnet]

I brewed exposure therapy today

[compact hound]

Which

[mellow sonnet]

The bag was red and had something about a horse on it 🤡

It got better

[compact hound]

Had to be shite

I got one more bag left

[mellow sonnet]

I have 6g left so d27

[compact hound]

Idk what to do with it

[short condor]

Imma sucker for marshmallow as a tasting note

[mellow sonnet]

And then I went to mandarin and got Ecuador and panama gesha

Now I'm poor

[compact hound]

You got the terraform sophia?

[mellow sonnet]

I spent more on parking than I did on coffee this past weekend

Yeah

[compact hound]

Sheesh

Magnolia note seems to be the new fad

[mellow sonnet]

I tried to buy a bag to brew at home and he said no

[mellow sonnet]

you shouldve dropped that you were a EAF degen bc he brought buttercream for normies

his UL jose jijon got seized by customs though so only Light

i have 4 diff el burros now 💀 Lot F, Lot F but UL, lot 16, lot 17 now

[short condor]

I don’t think many people know what these floral tasting notes actually are. And by that I mean the people purchasing the bags. So many bags saying violet, magnolia, blossom, marigold, primrose. Just trying to say floral and not spicy or soapy

[fiery hearth]

I was thinking that recently, I got a bag with a magnolia note. And I have no idea what that smells like

[short condor]

I saw that, but I wasn’t gonna bite the hand giving me free coffee lol but when I bought a nicer bag I thought I might get a lil sum sum but it’s all good. I still have more than I’ll drink for a hot minute.

[eternal birch]

magnolia is valid

[compact hound]

Magnolia really does have such a distinctive taste to it though

[eternal birch]

agree

[compact hound]

Violet, lilac, lavender are basically the same to me

[eternal birch]

magnolia tea is somewhat common

rest are generic florals prolly, idk what marigold would even be

[short condor]

I don’t think I could tell you the difference between lilac and Violet the only time I really use Violet as a scripture is when something has a really soft feeling on the pallet

[mellow sonnet]

smells like purple flower

[eternal birch]

but purple flower different

[compact hound]

Thats is actually true too LOLOL

[short condor]

I forget which one it is but one floral descriptor is essentially cucumber

[eternal birch]

the taste of the smell of a different purple flower hm

[compact hound]

Pink florals are my fav but so rare to encounter

the drd gesha i had this morning had some to it

[mellow sonnet]

did u try the sumatra from rasami yet

[compact hound]

Going to brew it at work so i can infect the EK instead of my own grinder

[eternal birch]

my gout order is like 4x purple floral

[compact hound]

When is that coming

Im waiting on a big sur order

[eternal birch]

relatively soon, got sent the UPS tracking this morning

[compact hound]

Annoyed they dropped like 4 more ethiopias after i placed my order

[mellow sonnet]

im waiting on some panama gesha from china too

[compact hound]

The only roaster in my backlog atm is exposure

Big sur taking longer than expected

[eternal birch]

chinese = tea drinks = tea coffee

I enjoy

when did u put big sur order in?

[compact hound]

Like 2 weeks ago

[eternal birch]

dayum

no US tracking number yet?

[compact hound]

Well i placed an order through my chinese friend

[mellow sonnet]

do you not have 10 samples from woc

[compact hound]

He said he could get it in 1 week

Texts me a week ago and is like yeah that shit is gonna take a month

[compact hound]

True

But that goes in like 3 days

[mellow sonnet]

i forgot u drink like 200g of coffee a day

[eternal birch]

hollyy

wtf

caffiene fein

[compact hound]

LOL no mane its more like 50g

[mellow sonnet]

how much water do you drink when its not coffee form 💀

[eternal birch]

50g still a lot dayum

[compact hound]

I used to consistently drink a gallon a day

[mellow sonnet]

im around 30-40g a day 💀

[eternal birch]

was about to say 200g probably means ur entire paycheck goes to coffee with your preferences lol

[compact hound]

These past few months i’ve been only at like a half gallon

[eternal birch]

15-30g a day, mostly just one 15g brew cus I cant be assed

[mellow sonnet]

i do 20g when backlog big otherwise usually 15

[compact hound]

I used to be at 100g a day at one point but that was when i was getting bombarded with samples and i used to split bags way more

Consistently splitting bags is degen level addiction

[drowsy knot]

How did we not schedule a meetup for right after WOC??

[eternal birch]

idk if I can split at your rate but I'd be down to split often

so I can get through beans faster

having to drink same bean for like 2 weeks straight kinda boring

[compact hound]

Noted

[short condor]

Shit at the rate of this group, you could probably just put in group orders and repackage and most of us would splitsies.

Drop off at the ondos and split payment PayPal’s system thing

[compact hound]

Splitting gets exhausting/stressful though

Always get anxiety i dont properly seal bags

[short condor]

Just have Claude set it up for you 😂

[mellow sonnet]

Split casually w 1-2 friends and it's pretty easy

[eternal birch]

I can prolly host a smaller one on my rooftop but parking is questionable

[drowsy knot]

I often roast 4 or more beans at a time and get bored 🤣

[shadow torrent]

nice! do you know what's the exporter/exporting company's name?

also brewing for Ture Waji wasn't on my bingo card this weekend

[tight gorge]

No, @short condor do you remember the name of the Peruvian guy?

he said he had been working with sey since 2020 but in the biz since 2006.

[short condor]

I wrote it down somewhere I’ll see if I can find it

[spiral arrow]

Even when you try boot mode?

[mellow sonnet]

ah the favorite keeb knower has appeared

[spiral arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi-30rock-fellow-kids-one-of-us-gif-21904018

@eternal birch also, that PCB looks like a standard hiney 87 layout TKL PCB. If so, there are many replacement pcbs available

which I have plenty "in-stock" lol

[glossy sail]

This is just called purple haha

[eternal birch]

um

xd

it got xt columns

[spiral arrow]

lol

RIP

i can help with resoldering diodes

but yeah, hardly unlikely that the processor is blown

[eternal birch]

can you help diagnose the issue? doubting its just the diode

[spiral arrow]

if your pc/mac isn't recognizing it, you gotta try the boot mode.

[mellow sonnet]

frank should know 🫡 ur in good hands

[spiral arrow]

most common way to enter boot mode is holding down ESC key (or in this case, using a tweezer to actuate) and plug in usb-c

and run qmk software to see if it loads there

[eternal birch]

its getting 0 signal through, I hooked it up to rpi

[mellow sonnet]

the board has reset pins to short

[eternal birch]

its a more fundamental issue than boot mode I feel

[spiral arrow]

it might be, but this is easy thing to check

[spiral arrow]

rpi? rasberry pi?

have you tried windows or mac machine?

[eternal birch]

yea

doesnt recognize the usb is even in

[minor cairn]

Wow I didn’t do a nearly good enough job getting free bean samples…only came home with like 4 samples

[eternal birch]

I connected the 6 pins to rpi using wires and ran avrdude but its not being recognized at all

[mellow sonnet]

honestly youre missing so many diodes its like somebody dragged the pcb on the floor

[spiral arrow]

yeah lol i was surprised

@eternal birch i mean, if you are up for it, and near DTLA, i can take a look

[eternal birch]

yeah I'm in DTLA, I'll coordinate

[mellow sonnet]

glgl

franks the goat

[spiral arrow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/VFZDuY0nePXry

[compact hound]

Did you end up getting your steak fries

[spiral arrow]

no....

[bitter kestrel]

Some of the best free sample bags I got were the Geisha ones with “$40” labels. Not sure what that means tbh. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[mellow sonnet]

[livid plover]

His name is Henry!

[boreal solar]

Anyone try Torque? tldr Xbloom gave me credit for a free bag off their site in response for me complaining about being sent 2 month old Black and White. They have some there but I haven't ordered from them before

[weary chasm]

Yolo

[bitter kestrel]

Nothing blew me away from their pop-up outside the expo hall but I had something fairly nice, like a Guatemalan, I think.

[dull adder]

Thank you for hosting this weekend. Probably the best part of expo

[dull adder]

I'm pretty beat...
I presume everyone else is too

@hollow tartan here's the LA chat, when a meetup happens we'll plan it here

[vivid violet]

Elvis is in the building !

[vivid violet]

hope you had a great time, looked like a blast.

[dull adder]

I had a blast. I was collecting selfies like Pokemon cards

[earnest robin]

Did you get holo ones

[dull adder]

Minmax full art

[glossy sail]

@dull adder I need this in holo signed.

[tight gorge]

Finca Sophia…. Brown

[ocean obsidian]

https://www.bripe.co/

@LAbrews used /s bripe

[placid cradle]

Did anyone try the Acaia horizon w/ spro or soup?

[mellow sonnet]

I did yeah

Traditional spro though

It def made a noticable diff

[faint sandal]

And more to come

[drowsy knot]

that’s great, sounds like it was worth it!

[prime scarab]

How so? I kept meaning to stop by. I tried the Squid vibration tech on a shot and the intense aeration def enhanced some aspects of the brew (espresso, med roast)

[livid plover]

Thanks so much! Appreciate the turnout and everyone enjoying it.

Was a ton of work but we all were overjoyed seeing everyone brewing and talking coffee.

[placid cradle]

I’m sure it did!
I blew it off when I heard it explained, but the person got everything backwards (said it was pressurizing - which made no sense to me, would blow the cup up 😂, not depressurizing).

I’d have to look back at the physics but I think it’s pretty basic chemistry that this would change the vapor content and the dissolved gas

Raoult’s law

@scenic dirge no way someone at acaia has put something together about that side of it have they

[scenic dirge]

I think we're more invested in like testimonial, sensory stuff, rather than harder data

For my part I do think it's a wiser use of our time, as many folks are more interested in who says what about it rather than a more technical explanation

[placid cradle]

Yea that makes sense

[mellow sonnet]

i felt like there was definitely a sharper boost in acidity followed by a quicker fall off in flavor and a longer linger in the flavor that was more mellow

it wasnt a "good" difference but it was definitely different. i was really curious in how it would work in conjunction with the paragon to lock in VOCs, and then depressurized

[crystal skiff]

I'm very excited to get my unit and do some testing, I've been in invested in finding good carafes, covers, lower headspace, etc. already to maximize the aroma, so super excited for this

[spiral arrow]

Any good?

[distant terrace]

+1 on that question too, thought about it for quick dirty non-steamed milk drinks

tbh though if you don't like it, you're only out $22 with plenty of beans for cold brews lol

[scenic dirge]

I also see it as part of the dial in process. Kinda conceivable that you might dial in a coffee differently for a Horizon paradigm vs not

I wish I drank more coffee than I do currently so I could play around more. Happy to let the crowd do the work though lol

[mellow sonnet]

yeah i can see a usecase on diff beans or whatnot, it felt like a change that was neither good or bad though

[boreal solar]

Alas I can probably never buy it due to potential relentless teasing from my spouse.

[glossy sail]

send one to us for the next socal meetup lol

[boreal solar]

The meetups are pretty large. Get acaia to sponser you to come and bring a bunch of toys for us.

[scenic dirge]

At home it's been a marked improvement. Heightened aromatics and silky texture to turbos that benefit from both. I've been thinking that if that's the usual effect it probably isn't as beneficial or noticeable on med or darker trad shots

But maybe a trad drinker would find different

[boreal solar]

“LA EAF Meetup sponsored by Acaia and Ondo”

[glossy sail]

last one shouldve been sponsored by lagom

we had no other brand grinders there

lol

[mellow sonnet]

if we want sponsors we need a server and be organized

[glossy sail]

TBF Acaia already sponsors it

you see how many pearls were there

[boreal solar]

The one before had a lot of Lunars

[scenic dirge]

That might be a good while. I'm way too sick to travel and my best hope right now is seeing a rheumatologist in October

[boreal solar]

I think it’s diversifying but there was a time where like 60% of the people there owned a Decent

[scenic dirge]

https://acaia.co/pages/event-sponsorship-request-form

Or just fill out a form

[glossy sail]

oh snap, got it lol

[glossy sail]

last one is hard, none of us work in event planning lol

[weary chasm]

Can try and let us know

I suspect it will be oily

[spiral arrow]

Yeah, pretty low risk

[glossy sail]

lol i suspect its leftover coal from the power plant

[spiral arrow]

Ended up not picking up cuz I got distracted

Lol

And tbh, I'm not the one to give any kind of review about coffee lol

[weary chasm]

I have generally liked trader Joe beans if you are in that dark roast vibes

[spiral arrow]

Noted

[weary chasm]

Dark without being oily

I've liked the breakfast blend

But I think what's more in stock is the wake up blend

Still more bitter than anyone here would like I guess

[spiral arrow]

3lb is just a big commitment

[weary chasm]

But I think it's a hit for the normie crowd

[spiral arrow]

Even though I go through them quickly with cold brew

[weary chasm]

Also great for like dirty matcha

You need that dark bitter

Pair it with a niche zero

[hallow bear]

just bought a ceado but now i wanna upgrade my machine 😭

[glossy sail]

sick coffee nook

[distant terrace]

yeah I use trader joes medium roast beans for my wife's iced lattes, no point in diluting the specialty beans. can confirm the trader joe beans are just fine for the easy milk drinks, v forgiving on taste

Anyone here have a Decent? looking at the DE1Pro MASHUP since its kinda affordable for me, since i was initially looking at the LM Micra

[boreal solar]

Poo. Bums me out that I decided to break my toe instead of hang out at WOC

[vivid violet]

soooo many folks have a decent here. any specific q's ?

[distant terrace]

Yup definitely have a few basic questions. I'm basically at a point where I've had some fun with my Profitec Go and looking to upgrade to something as reliable in the espresso department, but want something that'll give me an easier time for steaming.

I think my main question is how is the learning curve to the Decent? It's definitely geared more to the coffee geek and experimenter, which is where I want to be, but I'm afraid of messing up too much if it's not as user-friendly and intuitive for basic drinks and easy morning pulls.

I also exclusively like to make light roasts, but will need to go back and forth with medium roasts for the wife. I'm able to have a repeatable workflow on the Go, but wonder if it's any easier on the Decent?

Lastly, thoughts on the DE1Pro compared to the other offerings for a at-home use? Especially if there's anyone with actual experience with their MASHUP versions?

[vivid violet]

best folks to answer this would prob be sillierabbit, derp, Evan, theavatar, (I'm forgetting other DE1Pro owners)

I don't know anything about the MASHUP version, nor really about the diff models.

my impression is it takes a little bit to get used to the horrible UX, but once you learn the nav, it's great

[glossy sail]

yea i can answer

i have a DE1Pro right now, theres no learning curve if you want to pull a "stock" shot

it works exactly like any other modern spro machine - small preinfusion, pressure ramp to 9bar and goes down from there

i think the stock DE1 UI is not my favorite but the community around the other UI is pretty big and im using another one i like more.

you can have several shot profiles favorited for any drink you wanna milk - i always keep a default 9bar for milk/trad spro shots, but also have ULC, turbo, blooming, and filter3 as my other shots

the real key is dialing in beans/grind range so you know whats appropriate for each shot profile. also the Brew by Weight is clutch. Once you have that, its hard to want to manually stop a shot. The one thing the decent doesnt really have is great on the fly adjustments of a shot - it is possible but finnicky.

[compact hound]

Morning coffee w/ @dull adder

[mellow sonnet]

is the mashup the old tablet version?

most people replace the tablet anyways

[glossy sail]

mashup is like mixture of old and new

its weird lol

[bitter kestrel]

ES1 and pocket the difference! 😬

[dull adder]

Nice coffee master cert
They cancelled/revamped it just as I was leaving. It was funny to me though to be more knowledgeable than any coffee master but technically I wasn't one lol

"wtf is a TDS"

[dull adder]

It helps to know the back story, that the Decent community was hosting meets and then opened it up

(maybe not necessarily this thread, but a lot of people came from that)

[boreal solar]

I was late to the Decent party. Sort of sad I missed the golden era and grabbed one afterwards when they were less cool.

[dull adder]

Yeah those times were good

It's still a fantastic machine. And now you get all the benefits of the learnings and profiles that were developed

[bitter kestrel]

They’ve since changed the title to be less problematic: Coffee Dom Daddy

[glossy sail]

just curious - what are the other events are happening this week post-WoC?

[muted kindle]

The black Costco bags of coffee is good for it’s price + quantity of beans you get

[mellow sonnet]

quat with doug weber

[dull adder]

I think the mashup machines are a recent and temporary thing, to clear out stock of old parts. There won't really be people with experience but we may be able to offer advice on how meaningful we feel the swapped out parts are

[bitter kestrel]

See @devout atlas , Kirkland Koffee has its fans

[low mantle]

👋 fellow “coffee master” as well. ||I only did it for the black apron.||

[glossy sail]

needs to be a flair for this discord lol

[low mantle]

I wish I had the training documents still somehow. So many wild takes. Like how your shots expire after 30 seconds.

[muted kindle]

I’m sorry but If I’m doing a get together of 20+ people, you’re getting Kirkland coffee 😂

[dull adder]

Pretty much everyone did. Ngl I was given a black apron and the go-ahead and I rocked it

I think I still have my black apron and my green championship apron

[low mantle]

I had a good stack of 5 at the time I left. I gave them out to my work friends to share the love. I haven’t stepped foot in a SBUX since.

That being said; I had a massive surplus of free coffee I built up ahead of my departure. Took me 8 months to drink it all.

[distant terrace]

Thanks for the responses! sillierabbit messaged me on the side so I'll pick their brain on it a bit more lol

[tight gorge]

@civic crest not in my bingo card that Andy would turn into a hype drop this year

[civic crest]

rip subs

now i got to block my calendar this summer again for wednesday mornings

[bitter kestrel]

Dialed in my friend's machine this morning with some sort of Costco beans. Made a tasty classic espresso that he's just gonna add vanilla syrup to anyway. It was such a dream dialing in those beans. I forget how easy it is when you're not trying to be fancy with a light roast.

[eternal birch]

damn they arent backdating my pay :/

[civic crest]

didn't you get double digit percent increase?

[eternal birch]

yeah lol

[civic crest]

yeah that's already stellar lmao

[eternal birch]

ig I should be happy with that

wanted fat backpay so I could buy a bike

now I have to save up for it

[civic crest]

just sell some stuff you don't use

you know you have some haha

[eternal birch]

then my losses become real

[devout atlas]

Lmfao every time I brew batch at work w/ it I cringe, seriously

[devout atlas]

Yep yep fair enough - it’s honestly not bad at all !!! But once you go specialty filter or V60 it’s hard to want anything else 😉

[devout atlas]

Riiiggghhtt

[desert stirrup]

Was ilse good?

[dull adder]

I enjoyed it.
We tried the colombia on drip, ethiopia espresso, Juan Pena gesha, Janson gesha.
I think we both preferred the Juan Pena the most, followed by the drip. All pretty tasty though

[muted kindle]

They aren’t bad, my problem with it is I get bored of having the beans around for weeks.. I would prefer to move on and switch up the flavor profile

[boreal solar]

I just roast for them.

[mellow sonnet]

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Hmmmmm estate sale audio equipment

[bitter kestrel]

Umm, price the Guild for me 🙏🏻

[mellow sonnet]

Idk shit about guitars

[fiery crypt]

@tight gorge this shit is bomb

[tight gorge]

ugh, am I gonna have to cop shoey again

I was just told its super light even after 3 months rest

[dull adder]

In Shohei's name we pray. Amen.

[boreal solar]

So what’s the trendiest spot for a pair of thirty something parents on a double date while their toddlers stay with grandmas? Dunsmoor? Holbox? 😂

[surreal pivot]

I was glad to see panda didn’t infect the deal with shrinkflation

[surreal pivot]

What didn’t you like about it on last try?

[tight gorge]

It’s 15% more expensive

[surreal pivot]

At $8 I’m not upset

[tight gorge]

Too light, very tea like

[glossy sail]

just inflation at this pt

[dull adder]

It was $7 for me, before tax 🤔

[surreal pivot]

My last was $7.74

[surreal pivot]

I wanted to hate on it bc of some weird shit I saw but it’s just undeniably tasty

[dull adder]

Like that he denied me a selfie?? He's cancelled now 😤

[dull adder]

I've been dying to go to Holbox, that has my vote. Dunsmoor I'm unfamiliar with but looks nice. Probably both good

[glossy sail]

if you do holbox, you might as well also get food from komal

[compact hound]

Holy shit i just ate this

[brave egret]

WOC SD 2026 Photodump

[tight gorge]

Holbox is not vibey as it’s in a food hall. Not a place I would go on a double date.

Dunsmore on the other hand s a nice spot. But I would go to bavel instead

Or Majordomo

[compact hound]

Me & my gf both blind tasted and both got it wrong

NKD is actually better

[surreal pivot]

This is actually hilarious. I wouldn’t have asked for a selfie but the denial tracks 🤣

[tall frigate]

I went back t o Bavel recently for the first time in a long time

Still tasty. Much easier to get a table now.

[surreal pivot]

🗣️ If you go to bavel don’t let them seat you on the patio

[tight gorge]

Admittedly I haven’t been in a long time, but since saffys coffee shop is fire I recon bavel still got it

[tall frigate]

That's where my wife wanted to eat for her 40th. We ordered pretty much everything on the menu.

My vegan mother in law tried to ruin a bunch of dishes and they refused to make them vegan, which I appreciated

[tight gorge]

Based

[tall frigate]

Automatic 5% tip boost when the waitress said "absolutely not"

[surreal pivot]

I got there 2 min before they closed the kitchen for the chicken pita and those bitches wouldn’t make me a sandwich.

Haven’t been back since

[tall frigate]

I hated people who showed up 2 min before close as much as any other line cook, but the rule always was if it was before close everything on the menu was fair game

annoying to reclean things, but it is what it is

that's how it goes

[tight gorge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/EG6_popW7ko?si=WPHplDpKNAoeQA6N

[tall frigate]

It's a soul crushing moment for sure. Especially if it's been slow.

[compact hound]

Dang I enjoyed Bavel but i never really ended up craving/thinking about it much afterwards

[tight gorge]

Verbal said at coffee shop it’s coo 5 min before

[compact hound]

Both great restaurants though

Cant go wrong at either one

[surreal pivot]

Eh. More annoying to tell people the kitchen closes at 3, but actually closing it down at 2:58

[tall frigate]

No I'm with you 100%

[surreal pivot]

No disrespect to line cooks

[tall frigate]

That's low

It's annoying but it's part of the job. You serve until the clock strikes.

[tight gorge]

I don’t go if I am arriving less than 15 min before closing

[tall frigate]

and it doesn't sound like you ordered a big menu

[compact hound]

Duns is decedant af though so if you cant handle buttery meals i’d choose bavel over it

[civic crest]

this hornets game crazy

[civic crest]

yeah these all vibe, even bestia. thai taco tuesday at anajak is a vibe too, wine list there is great too

[eternal birch]

arts district

[surreal pivot]

I generally do the same but parking over there is a joke and but for that, I would have been there 15 min sooner

Should have just parked in the Cult parking lot

[compact hound]

Cannonball in pasadena is a sleeper pick for date night

Portions are good, temp of dishes were great, service very nice

[tall frigate]

I need to go eat there. It's walking distance from me.

I just never consider it and then when I think about it it's booked

[compact hound]

Yeah its easily the best option for that vibe in the area

So no surprise its always booked out

[tall frigate]

The food here is not great.

[compact hound]

Easy to get a res though if you actually try

[tall frigate]

It's a bit of a bright spot

There's a new place not far away that is the new local craze

Hermon's

Also booked way, way out

[tight gorge]

Pasadena food scene not great

[compact hound]

I was really interested in hermons but the more i saw the food the less interested i got

[tall frigate]

I see people in a long line outside sometimes when I'm driving home

[tall frigate]

100%

[eternal birch]

expensive for mid

[tall frigate]

I took my wife to a restaurant that charged us $300 for a meal that was worth maybe $50?

It was the epitome of Pasadena

[eternal birch]

arts district is expensive but pretty good so can cut em slack

[tall frigate]

I haven't checked it out yet

[tight gorge]

Perle?

[eternal birch]

isnt SM also like this too

[tight gorge]

Yep

[surreal pivot]

SM stinks

[eternal birch]

wont say all of the westside cus theres some gems

but yeah SM and Pas food scene seems similar

[tight gorge]

Colapasta lasagna good tho

[tall frigate]

Negative. Entre Nous

We did eat at Holy Saints! a few months ago. It was fine. Value wasn't terrible, at least.

[compact hound]

I tried rustic canyon not too long and thought it was actually pretty nice

[tall frigate]

Henry Parsons Project was okay when it's open. I think it's just a pop up now.

[compact hound]

I’d go back depending on the menu

[tall frigate]

Better than it should have been, at least. Delicious gumbo and an amazing fresh baked biscuit.

[surreal pivot]

Oooh restaurant gumbo is usually subpar 📝

[tall frigate]

Yeah, that's what we were both expecting

Weird space and they never got their full liquor license, so it was kind of a weird experience. But the food was very solid.

[compact hound]

RVR is painfully overrated imo

[tight gorge]

Back in the day there was a dank spot for gumbo in Berkeley

[compact hound]

Haven’t seen people talk about it here so im curious if im alone

[tight gorge]

I just saw that it’s closed now

[surreal pivot]

I’ve only seen people rave about it on Reddit

[tight gorge]

It’s in hella top lists

[eternal birch]

nothing lasts in berkeley 🙁

[compact hound]

Im slightly interested in Dudley Market but people are weird af there and have heard some shit on it

Probably wont ever end up trying it though

[surreal pivot]

Stabbing employees weird?

[compact hound]

Wouldn’t be surprised if it gets that bad

[tall frigate]

it's not a real kitchen if people don't get a little stabbed

[eternal birch]

feel like this is somewhat normal

[tall frigate]

when I was cooking that was a frequent threat for keeping the next guy down the line from creeping on your station

[compact hound]

I know but nobody here has mentioned

[tall frigate]

saw a lot of fistfights, but not a lot of stabbings

[surreal pivot]

It’s not Noma

[tight gorge]

People are allergic to west side here

[compact hound]

I feel like rvr is popular the same reason budonoki is

[tall frigate]

don't even speak its name

[eternal birch]

is rvr french laundry cohort?

[compact hound]

Just palatable japanese inspired food in a vibey spot

[compact hound]

IIRC yes

[eternal birch]

lmfao

budonoki is as well

maybe thats just how it be from french laundry

[compact hound]

Ah maybe im mixing up then

[boreal solar]

Question, would you bring the kid to said food hall?

[tight gorge]

Yes tons of kids there

[boreal solar]

I’ve been wanting to try it but had no idea it was that vibe. Could just cart four yeah old there

I’ll look at cannonball Pasadena is closer for me anyway as we live off the 210

[civic crest]

I went when it was MTN

[civic crest]

what this mean

keller disciple?

[surreal pivot]

@vivid violet he’s encroaching on your territory 🤣

[civic crest]

i'm old as dirt

[desert stirrup]

Dope I'll see if they're selling any of those beans on their site

I've been itching to buy from them again soon so it's good to get a rec!

[fiery crypt]

yea i feel you on that.. ive been drinking a lot of sey but this shoebox hits.. i was suprised myself

[desert stirrup]

bad news @civic crest @tight gorge

Brad's ice cream gig is blowing up

Good news, it seems he's doubling down on this and has a dedicated pickup location somehwere in WeHo

I think it's on the corner Sunset and Corey

[compact hound]

I thought alan didnt like his ice cream

[desert stirrup]

Alan doesn't like a lot of things

[short condor]

For what it’s worth I hope you feel better, it’s hard to find doctors willing to listen to the issues you can’t see and have a hard time proving. The first time my wife had someone actually listen to her and take her seriously she just cried because someone finally ackowledged her pain. I hope you find the care you’re looking for on your end.

[tight gorge]

Alan liked it, but it was not worth the price tag

[short condor]

Not enough people fuck with bavel, it’s fire and a solid atmosphere

[civic crest]

i basically re-create those oyster mushroom kebabs all the time without the sauce because i ate it there lolz

[civic crest]

bad news for your wallet?

[crude citrus]

Betsy.

[eternal birch]

ya but also no

theres post keller cohort now

[civic crest]

i didn't know lett was post keller/FL

[eternal birch]

oh idk if lett is

ik budonoki guy is

[civic crest]

oh yeah i didn't think lett was

[compact hound]

Won’t be able to make eaf burger night

Bro in law’s bday

[civic crest]

who celebrates their bday on a monday

[crude citrus]

Does he want burgers?

[civic crest]

i guess when their bday lands on a monday lol

is HH sm good as the other locations

[compact hound]

Was originally planned for sat but i think most of my fam had plans that day already

So monday was next best option

I’ve only tried HH in silverlake

[civic crest]

SM has to be good it was the first joint

haha

[compact hound]

True

[tight gorge]

Yes

HH is just a good smash, don’t expect any better

What makes is great is that they have good soft serve and good beers

[desert stirrup]

bad news in terms of wallet and getting our hands on a pint

Looking like it might be hard since even influencers are picking up on it now

[tight gorge]

Also

The dood that made us pick a Monday can’t make it anymore

[surreal pivot]

Gen Z in never ending war with commitment

[compact hound]

Ay at least i gave almost a 2 weeks notice

[mellow sonnet]

I've made it very clear to my managers that they don't deserve a 2 week notice and when I leave they will get a 2 day notice at best never beating the allegations

[bitter kestrel]

Beijing beef is the most addictive substance on the planet earth.

[dull adder]

It was my wife's first time trying it and she liked it!

[surreal pivot]

NGL- I love this

[dull adder]

I want to go to try Hooked

[earnest robin]

My friend did the same day notice after vacation

He was also pretty burnt out from the job

[vivid violet]

had some really amazing drinks at Hooked, and Nicely and the other baristas were all cool

[devout atlas]

Can anyone in San Diego and/or Orange County like this message?

[scenic dirge]

Thanks very much. My doctor has been great but we've been running into walls because all my lab work looks normal. I'm at a point now where I'm just hunting around for conditions that seem to mostly fit my symptoms, taking them back to my doctor and seeing if there's anything we can test. I've slowly come around to the fact that this is a long haul illness and it's about holding on to some hope that a diagnosis means treatment and relief if not a cure

[bitter kestrel]

XBloom gaslighting me?

[mellow sonnet]

Things you do when you have so many diff samples

[earnest robin]

You invite others

"we got WoC at home"

[desert stirrup]

Shall we change to another day?

Also I completely forgot who the dude was who started it

Please remind me so I can hold an unnecessary petty grudge

Also check this out

https://www.reddit.com/r/pourover/comments/1smdha7/california_shops_that_sell_other_roasters_coffee/

Ondo being repped for having good bean selection

@cedar otter you finally made it

[desert stirrup]

ok scratch that, I missed the reply.

@compact hound you've just been hit with a direct attack causing you to take 25LP of damage. You are now down to 100LP. Once you hit 0LP you are banished to the shadow realm

Or Bakersfield

whichever is worse

[eternal birch]

@cedar otter apparently coffee shop near vermont/8th that has butterscotch latte on their menu

[glossy sail]

https://old.reddit.com/r/coffeeswap/comments/1slxvqp/uscasocalh_weber_eg1_v3_onyx_w_zelle_cash_paypal/ lol my old EG-1 is up for sale

[boreal solar]

Low cost of living and good basque food. Could be worse.

The only downside being the drug addicts and the air quality.

That said you can live like a king on 100k

[mellow sonnet]

So ur saying I should move to Bakersfield

[cedar otter]

Guys from Finca El Paraiso were just here

Brewed some of their beans

their just washed and natural geshas were solid lol

[cedar otter]

it's a strategic location if you have to travel to both norcal and socal a lot

lots of super chargers in and out of bakersfield

[crude citrus]

Retire in Thailand Bakersfield

[crude citrus]

Woah do they ship direct to anyone who wants to buy?

[cedar otter]

Hah yeah

Time to open a roasting business @crude citrus

[crude citrus]

Why is everything 53lbs

[cedar otter]

that's like the standad size

24 kg?

[crude citrus]

Yea but I still want to cry about it as a small home roaster

[cedar otter]

you can "buy" their samples too

300g bags

[cedar otter]

yeah in South Korea and Japan there are many green importers who vacumm seal into 1kg bricks

add a markup and sell

for like panama geishas and stuff too

[earnest robin]

And they have race track nearby

[rich anchor]

We have free shipping

And yes, Ondo goated

@cedar otter is our hero for WOC lol

[crude citrus]

So you’re saying to open up a green import business

[cedar otter]

Whoda thunk giving out 9 digits would perform miracles

[rich anchor]

These days, we shouldn’t be surprised ha

[short condor]

I have an unhealthy hatred for Bakersfield

I’m torn on what I should do clean up my EK 43 and sell it or double down and buy a solid set of really good brew burrs for it

[glossy sail]

thanks for the pepe + buttercream sampler! looking forward to the el burro light+ultralight in a few weeks

[short condor]

How is the Pepe?

[rich anchor]

Those went quick! Glad I was able to give you one!

[desert stirrup]

Oh dude September is already on my "I likey" list.

Maybe I'll do September and Ilse for my next big batch!

[cedar otter]

Or you order them from Ondo 😉

[desert stirrup]

I'm like the popular girlie and all the hot jock roasters are fighting over me 🥰

[cedar otter]

I mean u order September and Ilse from Ondo

[desert stirrup]

Also I would but your site has like 2 coffees dawgg

I'm an Ondo stan, I check the site almost daily

[weary chasm]

Do you check the site then go in person?

Lol

[cedar otter]

I need to update

[mellow sonnet]

Double-down and go all-in on graffikus modding it

[mellow sonnet]

U got too much free time

[crude citrus]

He set up an openclaw to text him updates

[mellow sonnet]

Next step is entering CC information so openclaw can buy beans for him

[cedar otter]

@boreal solar

[mellow sonnet]

😂

[dull adder]

If you're in Bakersfield you know you're stopping at Dewar's

[mellow sonnet]

https://abc7.com/amp/post/la-county-quality-life-hits-record-low-ucla-survey-finds/18892557/

Why is the link so ugly

Survey of 1400 residents for LA county which has over 9mill residents and UCLA claims a margin of error of 2.6% is highly unrealistic though

Data only available to UCLA students smh

[placid cradle]

@scenic dirge I assume w/ Horizon, y'all have tried things like -- very fresh coffee; extract chilled coffee; really aromatic weird processed coffees? I'm curious how it impacts coffees where gases may be unusual

[desert stirrup]

Yeah usually I do a pickup order. It gives me a chance to also get some drinks to recalibrate my palette

Also also also

@tight gorge @vivid violet @eternal birch @compact hound are we going to move the HH & brewskis to another day so Allen can join us?

plus @ anyone else who was wanting to join in on the food + brewskis

[compact hound]

Up to yall i dont mind you guys going on without me

[desert stirrup]

oh @nimble blaze also

[desert stirrup]

the more the merrier so I'm down to reschedule

Also I want to see your big back down like 5 burgers live in 4K

[compact hound]

My schedule is getting unpredictable for the next month so it will be tough to coordinate

😕

[desert stirrup]

how tho? All you do is make coffee then drive around LA to eat a shit load of food

[compact hound]

💀

Well there’s no lies there

But

[mellow sonnet]

bros never worked in hospitality

[compact hound]

Yeah you got me

[nimble blaze]

?

[drowsy knot]

amp?

[vivid violet]

we had planned for a food meetup on Monday 4/27 at Heavy Handed (burger place which has beer), all are welcome. ref: #1228081171649400912 message

@desert stirrup , damn, didn't know Sizzling couldn't make it..

have been looking forward to seeing you, Allen, for a long time ! we could just plan another impromptu food meetup when your schedule allows, @compact hound

[compact hound]

Likewise mane will happen soon hopefully

[nimble blaze]

same at this moment I can make it and I look forward to meeting yall

[glossy sail]

https://old.reddit.com/r/pourover/comments/1sn3dny/colombian_coffee_processing_cofermentation_and/

Perc Coffee's post

[surreal pivot]

Consumers suspected, roasters did not give a single shit 😂

[bitter kestrel]

Seems like reasonable action, but I’m perhaps biased as a Perc fan. My fav coffees from them are not the co-ferments.

[glossy sail]

at the end of the day, no one likes being lied to, so its on consumers to pressure roasters and roasters will pressure producers to be more transparent about processing.

[surreal pivot]

True but I’m having a hard time with the roasters not applying pressure unprovoked

I’ve never had perc but obviously this isn’t isolated

[scenic dirge]

Roasters and importers may not have access to any such information, and producers may intentionally keep mum to protect a competitive advantage. I don't presume this is anything close to a one-size-fits-all situation

[glossy sail]

and this is why consumers speaking with our wallets is the biggest pressure

[scenic dirge]

There's also a definite witch hunt happening where accusations are thrown without evidence, or accusations are made with supposed evidence which isn't ever shared publicly

[eternal birch]

yeah

is there a list of which farms flavor?

[glossy sail]

if theres no transparency from producers then it forces consumers to speculate until someone does test for hard evidence. that has its own issues

[glossy sail]

not really, just speculations

[eternal birch]

I mostly drink colombia so interested to know if I prefer flavored vs unflavored

ah

[glossy sail]

perc changed their labeling on this

to indicate that strawberry FLAVOR means flavoring compounds in addition to fruit

[eternal birch]

step in the right direction

[glossy sail]

but again - not every farm/producer will be transparent

about their process

[scenic dirge]

Do they indicate if it's naturally derived or not?

[glossy sail]

see, this isnt a question i wanna have to ask. it should be clear from labeling.

[scenic dirge]

Probably the most important question is if any additives survive the roasting process

[eternal birch]

transparency is good, it might affect their bottom line? but it also might not since people drink coferms anyways

[glossy sail]

some of it clearly does

[surreal pivot]

Lack of access should at least trigger some reasonable questions is all I’m saying

[scenic dirge]

It's not shady if that's what you mean. The normal coffee supply chain is not usually tasked with inspecting things so closely

[glossy sail]

yes agreed, the infrastructure isnt in place for this

[surreal pivot]

Not necessarily shady, I was thinking more along the lines of lazy to not inquire

[scenic dirge]

This is an industry where in order to visit a farm you sometimes have to pay for armed guards to come along, and bribe bandits not to rob you

So depending on where you're headed the stuff that's in a barrel with cherries can be pretty low on the list of concerns

[eternal birch]

no real "compliance" standards, this is new hopefully industry adapts

[dull adder]

The Baja Blast survived a bit

[eternal birch]

lot of variance with labelling from like generic coal to speciality microlot

[scenic dirge]

I don't disagree with the notion that consumers may deserve more transparency though. I just would expect it to require some regulatory action for something to really broadly take place

[glossy sail]

if coferments take off stronger.... then it will become an FDA matter

[surreal pivot]

Absolutely. I’m coming from a place where in my line of work, if we don’t know, we ask- and almost all of the time there’s significant push back but that doesn’t stop the questioning

[scenic dirge]

I'm not even sure of that. I would expect that if there's some kind of health issue that can be traced back to coffee there will be an intervention

[eternal birch]

yeah 100%, consumers & roasters should push for clarity

[glossy sail]

If the food contains any artificial flavor which simulates, resembles or reinforces the characterizing flavor, the name of the food on the principal display panel or panels of the label shall be accompanied by the common or usual name(s) of the characterizing flavor, in letters not less than one-half the height of the letters used in the name of the food and the name of the characterizing flavor shall be accompanied by the word(s) “artificial” or “artificially flavored”, in letters not less than one-half the height of the letters in the name of the characterizing flavor, e.g., “artificial vanilla”, “artificially flavored strawberry”, or “grape artificially flavored”.

[surreal pivot]

And obviously relationships are everything but that still shouldn’t prevent some questions

[glossy sail]

i mean once the FDA gets involved

i will say working as a chemist, i can easily test for non-natural derivatives in coffee.

once the FDA does that

they dont care where it comes from

they will want the label on it

[eternal birch]

actually yeah thats law right

[glossy sail]

yes

its the law

as much as you think it might be roasted out

not all of it is

and if its not naturally derived, it is a legal requirement to be labeled as such

the FDA wont care who adds it - roaster, producer, importer.

it is the same as vape labeling

[surreal pivot]

Related: I don’t like Sey

[glossy sail]

maybe its the brewer problem

[surreal pivot]

Nah, Jack is solid. He just likes Sey more than I do

[glossy sail]

i feel like thats all he uses

[surreal pivot]

Seems like it. Last time I stopped by I think he had something else though, can’t recall

[compact hound]

Coffee collectiv or duck rabbit

I think sometimes ilse

[glossy sail]

@compact hound finally got his wish

[cedar otter]

One step closer to becoming Glitch America

[compact hound]

It’s solid considering it’s coming from a cream top factory

[bitter kestrel]

Gotta post-brew with a few drops of strawberry extract

[eternal birch]

can confirm

[weary chasm]

Cream tops are money makers...

💵💵💵

[glossy sail]

Mandarin doesn't like money then haha

[weary chasm]

Yeah. Def when you make enough you can choose what you wanna do I guess.

[placid cradle]

I imagine there’s a chance you could kill the motor? A brewer isn’t sealed, so it’ll just pump as hard as it can, as long as it can, I bet

[dull adder]

Yeah it pulled the liquid up and was getting the bottom wet

[mellow sonnet]

yeah at sey house the only ones using it were the employees

and just letting us taste

[short condor]

I do love the graffikus products, one of the other guys on here bought his dosing cup before I could get to it

[mellow sonnet]

i use it on my naut

[short condor]

You buy any of his other stuff ? And what size burrs is the nautalis

[mellow sonnet]

98

nope

only the graffikus cup fits the naut

everything else he makes is for the ek

[distant terrace]

what's wrong with cream tops :0

(says the guy who's lactose intolerant)

also i'm kinda new to the server in general, i've only posted a few things in the past with my old account during when BST was around, but like, is this channel for like actual coffee meetups/events/local cafe stuff, or is this just a bunch of coffee nerds in the LA/OC/SD area just talking random stuff lol

[mellow sonnet]

Mostly the first one but when there's no events it's the second one

[dull adder]

At this point we probably need a dedicated event space haha. Or just a dedicated server or something

[dull adder]

@compact hound is the at&t spot expensive? Also the Google maps reviews there are funny

[compact hound]

$2/taco $12 for a burrito

Theyre tripping if they say its expensive

[dull adder]

Yeah I think that's standard. That's what I just paid

I went to a different spot though

[compact hound]

$2 taco is the new low these days

The at&t one does al pastor for $1.50 on tuesdays i think

[cedar otter]

Wheres this lol

[compact hound]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/oUhomRqHwSKT55XAA?g_st=ic

It’s the spot i spam

Never skimp

Don’t go to the truck thats literally like 100 ft away

Its just a lone stand

Wouldn’t say its worth driving all the way to gardena for considering you have plenty of options nearby

[cedar otter]

Haha but if I’m in the area…

[compact hound]

Then yes

If i go out to eat in gardena i go there

[dull adder]

It's almost never worth driving.. you'd pass so many other spots to get to that one

Except ave 26 was an event

[bitter kestrel]

Would love to get out of Threads land. Can't mods make location-based channels?

[boreal solar]

Some of us are IE too.

[mellow sonnet]

Be the change you want to see in the world. Make the new discord

[bitter kestrel]

I couldn’t get one person to post in a separate WOC thread. It’ll be 🦗 if I do it.

[cedar otter]

I have an old discord server that I no longer use 🤔

[eternal birch]

i feel if u start dividing up locations none of the other channels gonna get used except LA

[devout atlas]

Is this helpful?

San Diego:
https://discord.gg/AJ9M4VnrZ

Los Angeles:

https://discord.gg/uur7m3DCC

[mellow sonnet]

Our savior Camille has once again come back to save us

[compact hound]

I feel like this chat has already been established

We’ve been active on here since the first meetup

[short condor]

Not gonna pretend I know the difference of it being a server vs a thread but I only talk in like two places. Cant imagine being in more than a few 🤯

@mellow sonnet what type of burrs you got in your naut

[mellow sonnet]

Titus brews

[short condor]

Did you try others before it ? Debating on whether I wanna order brews or just by the HU for sale on here. They’re in Glendale so they’re close and quick to get.

[mellow sonnet]

Hu makes good modern spro

It's not even close for filter 🤷‍♀️

Ssp brew and Titus brew is diff tho

TC brew is "better" and pre-15 EK burrs are "better" than ssp brews as well though

[bitter kestrel]

We could run a bot to transfer everything over. Sadly Discord doesn’t support promoting a thread to a channel. It’s only annoying as a thread because we can’t thread inside of a thread. ♾️

[lone pier]

im cool staying in this thread, everyone’s already here no need to make a new cord imo

[mellow sonnet]

I'm going to gatekeep my meet I host in the server

[devout atlas]

I’m so lost lol

[short condor]

Who makes TC brew?

[mellow sonnet]

Titus

It's like 900$ or something dumb though

[short condor]

That’s what I thought but wasn’t sure, I’ve seen a few sets floating about I think there’s one for 700 on here still

[mellow sonnet]

The difference is marginal and noticable in a sbs otherwise doesn't matter tbh

[tight gorge]

If we really did want to grow the LA community a stand alone server would be ideal

Easier to invite people without the espresso baggage

But it would be more normie and less bana unhinged

[short condor]

You made it Zernos new video 😎 now go make them pay you haha

[mellow sonnet]

Damn I'm really there

Kapital magpies are eye-catching I guess

[short condor]

Send zerno a message and be like I’ll take my Z2 as compensation for your poster boy.

[distant terrace]

What if I live in OC, but I'm a SD native, but I also like going to LA? which discord do I use? lolol

[tight gorge]

lol

LA duh

[distant terrace]

says LAbrews, not biased at all hahah

[tight gorge]

I grew up in SD

Mistakes where made when choosing my handle

But too late

I already have my reputation tied to this handle

Reputation of not liking things

As a side note, LA changed the water source in my area and my kettle is now stained. I noticed since my ice has a brown tint and my RO is now at a 20 tds where before it was in the low 30s

[boreal solar]

Stained in the low 30s is interesting.

The brown tint is surprising with an RO system

[tight gorge]

Brown tint is from tap water that feed the kettle and fridge. I have a whole house softener with carbon filter tho

Like an unc I reached out to ladwp to see if they did have changes in their water source in the last 6 weeks.

[desert stirrup]

Washed too

Washed of all the artificial flavorings

Also I’m is this a bean that Glitch had before? I’m missing the link between you, these greens, and glitch

[drowsy knot]

now even your UL’s are brown…

[distant terrace]

its got electrolytes

[cedar otter]

Yeah glitch had this bean

[bitter kestrel]

Maybe we make it SoCaCoN for the region and then break out events by driving distance? Or if Southwest flies there from Burbank for under $150, then I say it’s within the radius.

[civic crest]

Passion fruit curd pie at fat n flour so good. Had the sour cherry too also excellent

[surreal pivot]

Fat n flour key lime pie also hits extremely hard.

[distant terrace]

i had to read that like 5 times ngl lolol

this thread isn't too bad just didn't know if this was an event thread or just a group focusing on LA/OC/SD. i wouldn't mind a new server for it, but that would just be another server to the list lol. I do prefer the focus of the SoCal areas since it feels less overwhelming to talk to and keep up with. The other channels seem to be constantly moving fast for me, and easily get buried especially when a lot of ppl are from around the world

[compact hound]

Would like to mention the passionfruit pie at doubting thomas is overrated asf

[weary chasm]

Probably not Bana fast

[crude citrus]

Lotsa passionfruit talk here. Anyone want some passionfruit greens? I’ve got some for sale

[eternal birch]

went to ichimiann but forgot to take a pic

🍤

[bitter kestrel]

Was def joking, but I did look it up, and apparently Yorba Linda is the geographic centerpoint for the three counties. So meetup at the Nixon library!

[eternal birch]

GCM one or the one westside?

[civic crest]

Westside it’s down the street from me. Was gonna get petitgrain like I normally do but decided to change it up since I haven’t been in like a year

[civic crest]

I haven’t had anything from doubting Thomas yet but somehow follow the IG

[boreal solar]

Should just be a SoCal coffee discord with different channels for the main regions. IE-SD-OC-LA

Done

And a general channel of course

[eternal birch]

new shop alert

and note if cream top/po/standard

[civic crest]

Rarely see a bosco for sale

https://discord.com/channels/726985544038612993/1494754955309879526

[bitter kestrel]

Now just give us a good name/acronym. SoCafe? (backronym: socal coffee and friends of espresso?) TriCCEE (tri-county coffee & espresso enthusiasts) … I can go on

[vivid violet]

i assume this is some sort of espresso machine used in the General Lee

just some good ol' espressos..
never meaning no harm..

[weary chasm]

well. if this wasn't explained, its more like Creamtops can be the Bread and Butter, or what the shop is good/focused at

so if a shop is a Creamtop shop, thats what they're known for. so why would you get a pourover at such a shop?

at least thats what i think the thinking is.

in any case, i've just given a lot of thoughts on hypotheticals of, "if i could run a specialty coffee shop, would i even want to do it? and how can it be possible to be self sustaining?"

or is it just gonna be "better starbucks"

[bitter kestrel]

I've talked to "serious" coffee shop owners who feel like better to not keep up with the trends and just be known for good coffee. No syrups, no cream tops, simple matcha (begrudgingly). And I kind of agree — I can sometimes unfairly judge a shop by how many sugar drinks they are pushing, even if their coffee is fantastic. But also, the economics are what they are. Small margins, etc.

[weary chasm]

yeah. its more like do you want to lean towards "commerical" success, or "artistic" success. ideally you can combine both. but that slice of the pie seems pretty small.

[dull adder]

I always judge by their espresso. Espresso makes up 80% of the menu so they better have decent beans that are dialed. Maybe I'm old school though

[bitter kestrel]

It's a good point. Cuz a PO might go bad for a number of legit reasons, but the spro they are pulling all day long. I judge by their batch usually. ... And if baristas are cute, they lose 10 points right away. 😏

[dull adder]

Batch is a good judge too. I've been finding it less disappointing than I expected for many shops

[eternal birch]

lot of shops that dont have resources for PO but want to show that they source good/are into specialty so they just batch some good beans

[bitter kestrel]

Sometimes it's so amazing, and then I get that extra boost knowing I saved $4 not getting a PO. I'd like to think it's an owner TDS-ing every morning rather than just FETCO + luck.

[bitter kestrel]

I was praising Ondo this morning to the new tech at CCC for using the Xbloom. Economical and likely as good or better than a Poursteady

[cedar otter]

You always get batch at Ondo haha

[compact hound]

Batch is cheaper and usually better than PO at 99% of shops

Even if the batch is coal it will still be better than the PO

[dull adder]

Idk about always, now that I know 1 and 1 is an option. I also go off the slow bar menu maybe 50% of the time

[cedar otter]

I hate doing one and one lolll

Bottomless pf problem

[compact hound]

So much milk waste

[cedar otter]

Yeah

[compact hound]

Plus i feel like the shot tastes worse when it’s split

[cedar otter]

Will need to wait until we have a capp in queue

[compact hound]

Maybe placebo

[cedar otter]

Probably not enough liquid to taste in multiple sips

[compact hound]

That too

[boreal solar]

I usually ask to try the batch and make my order from there. Half the time it ends up being a matcha latte but sometimes I’m pleasantly surprised

[eternal birch]

also the fken places that do matcha by whisk for aesthetic instead of just blendin that shit

line out the wazoo 30 minutes

[boreal solar]

Ngl I have a super low bar for matcha.

[weary chasm]

I'm still not sure why matcha is hype

Maybe it's healthy. But then when you add oatmilk and cream top, it's less so

I don't understand it. But I guess I don't need to

[boreal solar]

It’s not healthy. I treat it like a milkshake when I order it.

Also the caffeine affects me less anxiety wise so it’s safer later in the day for me. Because L-theanine

[eternal birch]

also what to do with no car for the weekend

[boreal solar]

Bike

[eternal birch]

my bike is fucked up

[boreal solar]

Could use the metro. Let me know how that goes. I’ve heard they improved it 😂

Fix your bike? If you’re stuck home anyway.

[eternal birch]

unfixable

[boreal solar]

I had some friends take the metro to Union or the airport recently. They said they’ve been investing more in it.

[cedar otter]

Waymo

[eternal birch]

its still a pos, I take metro time to time

o right

[lone pier]

ashamed to say i went to lynx today, misread the menu, and accidentally ordered a matcha drink

ashamed because i kinda liked it 🤣

[boreal solar]

If you use Waymo, can I have your gear?

[eternal birch]

what gear?

[boreal solar]

It was a joke. A bad one admittedly. Maybe I’m tripping on painkillers. I downed some after moving a 500lb roaster with two broken toes.

[vivid violet]

oigh pain.

but congrats on selling the Yoshin !

[minor cairn]

Is anyone in this thread up further north in LA County? I’m literally on the border with Ventura County so I think I’m as far away from everyone as possible

[boreal solar]

Thanks, it’s bittersweet. Part of me was deluding myself into thinking I could try wholesale again.

[vivid violet]

I was hoping too 🙏 love your roasts

[boreal solar]

I still have the bullet, if you ever want anything feel free to ask 😂

[vivid violet]

Yunan is sooooo gooood

[boreal solar]

I’ve got literal buckets full of that green. 😂

[civic crest]

lol Rok opening on Sawtelle

[mellow sonnet]

Rok kinda good

I'm not a big matcha drinker tho so my bar is kinda low

[placid cradle]

that sugar dust was aromatic as fk

[cedar otter]

And studio city… and else where

They apparently signed with 6 diff properties

[civic crest]

Was solid we got some drinks with the Lasung dinela

[boreal solar]

Same. I had matcha from rare tea today and enjoyed it. So it not super high.

[short condor]

You got names for those shops cause I can’t think of more than 4 that meet criteria 🤣

[short condor]

Do you adjust the height of one of the cups when you split it ?

[short condor]

How’s the progress on the rover?

[short condor]

There’s a few decent shops in Ventura Camarillo area but I’d consider them more cafes than coffee shop. Aside from that it’s dune and like one other in Santa Barbara

[short condor]

Damn they just opened studio city so they’re close got that fresh seed money now.

[short condor]

How did ya like it? I’m gonna crack it open this week.

[placid cradle]

Oh you didn’t try at expo

I had just a sip of v60 from the booth. Extremely aromatic

[short condor]

They were closing up when I made it to septembers booth so just bought a bag as it sounded good

[tight gorge]

It was my fav cup at expo