Los Angeles/OC/San Diego 🌈

[desert stirrup]

I don't know if it's possible to have magnets on a heated object like that

Yeah but the charging cord doesn't heat to 100C+

[crude citrus]

Insulate the magnet

[desert stirrup]

Because we're talking about this I'll divulge some secret information with you all

I've been wrestling with the idea of a product that's like the hot water wand that Jack uses at Endorffeine but instead it has 1 or even 2 water sources and a 2 pumps system. It would operate similar to the Decent.

That way the user can change the temp of the output water on the fly. I've also been thinking about a way to control the water output pressure

This is all in the sketching phase and talking to my HVAC mech engineer friend phase so nothing will happen soon

However I do find it fascinating that we still heat up a liter of water for PO but for spro we have gotten to the point of only heating up the water we need

[cedar otter]

Yeah my buddies in Korea make them in Aluminum

[desert stirrup]

If I can make this happen I'm sure cafes would love the product because it'll be able to be plumbed in

[desert stirrup]

send link pls

[mellow sonnet]

gritworkshop

[cedar otter]

Ah he stopped making it

[desert stirrup]

If you want I can design the gritworkshop or another concept and have it milled for you

The design looks quite simple to design and to manufacture

[mellow sonnet]

i would want the brewista kettle first

🤡

i think the base on the brewista is ugly af

[desert stirrup]

I’d estimate to mill it would be around $150

[desert stirrup]

I agree completely

I like how you can pour fast though

Largest downside if the fellow

I wish the had silicone flow restricters like Brewista

More reasons for me to pursue the decent like PO idea I have

[mellow sonnet]

laminar flow and TMV

[compact hound]

Make a res for tribute pizza

Better pizza than a few of the notable spots we have here

[desert stirrup]

TMV?

[mellow sonnet]

thermostatic mixing valve

[earnest robin]

sounds fancy

[desert stirrup]

I have heard great things about tribute

[earnest robin]

is it for pouring dihydrogen monoxide?

[desert stirrup]

That and Truly Pizza in Dana Point

[desert stirrup]

Oh ok! Yeah idk water mechanics or parts too well

Just electrical and basic mechanical

I need to learn thermo and hydro for the decent like kettle idea

[mellow sonnet]

its whats in your shower for temp control usually

besides that idk shit

[desert stirrup]

Gotta value our plumbers

[eternal birch]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/719722420394159/?mibextid=wwXIfr

isnt this good

[mellow sonnet]

not even a pic of the machine

[cedar otter]

Got new aroma cups

[solid ferry]

Not a fan of that cup, but I’m sure it’ll be great for some folks

[mellow sonnet]

Reminds me of Ruby Star

But it's slightly darker

Ruby Star more pink

[earnest robin]

It reminds me of vases used in ancient Greece

To store milk and vine

Or a flower planter lol

[glossy sail]

Truly is really good.

[mellow sonnet]

Happy new year. Brought my orange to work today bc orange good luck and all my white coworkers called it a pumpkin

[boreal solar]

Honestly the brewista kettle aesthrtic is probably my biggest issue with it.

[glossy sail]

@cedar otter just A/B eg-1 ULF vs p80 mizen. ULF >>>> mizen by a landslide

small sample size of a pink bourbon roasted by XLVIII though. brewed on orea z1, similar timing, same water, etc. mizen brings out some sorta bitterness/astringency mid-way through cooling down thats not pleasant. the ULF seems to be sweeter, more clarity and flavor separation.

[cedar otter]

what about w/ core tho

[glossy sail]

p80 was slightly muddier in the cup texturally.

[cedar otter]

cause that's what we have lol

[earnest robin]

I assumed mizens are Jack of all master of none type of burr

[cedar otter]

I can also just put the ULF or any other burrs in the P80

still cheaper

[glossy sail]

yeaaaa uhhh lol iono if ill do a core comparison with p80

easier to take the p80 to you to try then lol

but man the ULF on EG1 rocks

gonna move back to that for PO

p80 spro

[neon scaffold]

Good mail day first time I was able to get a bag to try

Will bring 2 meetup

[desert stirrup]

For sale or for cafe use?

[cedar otter]

For sale haha

[vivid violet]

low of 39 F tonight, 36 F tomorrow ? what the heck

[bitter kestrel]

This is why coffee will be grown in Los Angeles some day soon enough

[cedar otter]

I need to roast samples but it’s so cold outside

[mellow sonnet]

Roaster will warm u up

[cedar otter]

It’s so cold lmao

[boreal solar]

You don’t roast inside?

Just roast in the garage with the door open 😅

[cedar otter]

I normally do but our kitchen fan is weak and it gets smoky real quick

[boreal solar]

It helps haha

[cedar otter]

Our garage is detached and doesn’t really have power

[boreal solar]

Bummer.

[cedar otter]

At least coffee will cool down real soon after it drops

[boreal solar]

It’ll be hard to profile with the ambient temp difference though

[bitter kestrel]

👋🏻 volunteer to brave the cold to get hands on KL

[short condor]

Dig through the website it’s fun you’ll see left over 2025 stuff from Houston 🤩

I did a crawl last year and most everything I had sucked aside from specialty drinks :/

[compact hound]

I didn’t even think the specialty drinks are good tbh

Strawb matcha is the only thing i really liked there

[boreal solar]

Sworks dripper still has plastic at its price point doesn’t it?

[earnest robin]

Sworks is bay area labor made

But yeah 🙂

I couldn't afford orea base so I 3d printed myself

[short condor]

I want a kettle like this with a rear grip that’s silicone for heat resistance when holding, no handle and the spout would be smaller and closer the the bottom than the top.

The idea would be you’d be able to get closer to the coffee bed with little effort. It’d be one hand operation as it wouldn’t hold as much water. There would be an internal levy pull inside to block off flow as well as control restricting from fast and heavy to slow and precise.

150-200ml capacity so in between pours you could refill with fresh water quick and efficiently.

[earnest robin]

Selling a piece of flat resin for $20 is crazy lmao

Oh, they don't sell the dripper without base anymore

I paid $30 for V3

[short condor]

Have a mini thermoblock in the head and you wouldn’t need to rely on heating all the water just what you need just like with spro on some machines.

[desert stirrup]

Oh yeah

My man gets it

It’s definitely a bit difficult to pull off especially when you also need to figure out how to control flow from 1ml/s to 10ml/s.

The difficulty is how to imbue all the positive and negative controls for both, flow and temperature into the head. I think it would be so rad to memorize that each click or tap equates to +/- 5C or +/- 1ml/s. imagine what cafes or super enthusiasts can do with that control.

I also want fewer screens with products. I want tactility and ease of repair. That 80s, 90s, and early 2000s technology ya know?

Plus you could also automate it via scripts. That way for cafes training PO will be so much easier. One can have the near exact consistency of an XBloom while still having the customer facing service and experience. The cafe unit will obviously be plumbed in so running out of water or waiting for water to heat up will be a thing in the past.

[vivid violet]

you need some sort of octo tube thing, for high flow

ideally where each tube can be adjusted and then stay wherever you park it in 3D space.

[desert stirrup]

Also it finally finished printing! Pretty nifty

[desert stirrup]

wtf are you talking about Rory?

It’s not thaaaaaat complicated

[vivid violet]

then you don't even have to hold any feeder tube.

[desert stirrup]

It’s just the Decent machine hardware and software. Specifically pumps and thermoblocks partnered with multiple thermoresistors and a good algorithm

I say it so easily, but it’s a hell if a design and engineering feat

[vivid violet]

I'm just messing with you.

what you're talking about does seem kinda cool for PO

[dull adder]

Look a bit into how much water you can possibly heat on the fly on 110v 10a

[desert stirrup]

Yeah I’m sure that’s a large hurdle

However

EZ PZ FIX

Battery

Or or or

[dull adder]

Also I know Decent worked a lot on their water mixing and feedback loop for desired water temp. Both of those are big challenges

[desert stirrup]

Large ass capacitor

[desert stirrup]

Thank God they believe in open source

[dull adder]

Well Decent over heats their heater

[dull adder]

Not their firmware

[vivid violet]

or perhaps a concept rower to supply extra power

[desert stirrup]

One thing I genuinely plan to do is ask if they’ll sell their new pump

Like

Just the pump

Nothing else hahaha

[vivid violet]

does Decent sell parts for self-repair ?

seems like they would force you to prove that you have one

[desert stirrup]

Yeah but not every part for their machine

[short condor]

Dimmer switch style potentiometer hooked up to a flow jet and a make shift heat exchanger hooked to a metal drip spicket(hard to find good pic) essentially disable and reverse engineer the mod at pour over handle with a facelift to avoid copyright and patent infringement.

[desert stirrup]

Some parts I’m sure they understand will be too difficult to service at home so they relegate to workshop only

[dull adder]

They do. And some things they wont really just sell due to difficulty or risk of injury

[desert stirrup]

Yeah you’re right on track bucko

That tool + decent is what inspired me

[vivid violet]

but have you settled on the most important part first..

the name.

ReubOver ?

[short condor]

If it’s constantly being heated and it’s small amounts of water 110 could work but 220 would probably be ideal for commercial but home brewing I think it doable.

[boreal solar]

I almost bought an origami a few times before backed out at base fatigue lol

[desert stirrup]

I do think @dull adder brings up a good point in terms of power which is why I think for the residential 110V version it’ll need either a battery for instant wattage and can recharge when not in use or good capacitors in parallel to pump 1kW+ to get that water from ambient to 90C within 10cm of real world distance

[desert stirrup]

Bad joke.

Go sit in the corner

[vivid violet]

no joke. trying to get the creative naming juices flowing.

you're welcome.

[boreal solar]

Heh is that pour over glazed corned beef?

[short condor]

There’s your name right there

“KSD 10”

King size dunce 10 and have 9 other prototypes to force you to complete it by the 10th iteration for the namesake

[desert stirrup]

I’d most likely find a Greek or Latin name for the machine

I just love how Omega names their do it all sport watch “Aqua Terra”

“Water Land”

It sounds sick af in ancient dead language though

[short condor]

Question:
In the world of ever evolving espresso machines and tech is the decent bengle worth 6k
A regular new decent 3.6 - 4k
A wendougee data s 3.5-5k
Meticulous 2k-2.5K
A wendougee lita 2-2.5k
WPM Primus 1.5kish

Especially when more and more machines are being pushed out annually with similar features for less and less. All this is based on home use as well.

[short condor]

STYX System
CCXll
Styxis 212
Calida
The Caldarium

[mellow sonnet]

What a terrible new year 💀 had to make 2 chemos and then we had twin babies born and I had a lot of baby IVs I had to make bc they both in NICU

[cedar otter]

[vivid violet]

i like your idea of talking to an HVAC friend..

electric water heaters should have good flow.. and there are great examples of ones which pull water from a tank and sit under the sink, in both Europe and Asia. quick, on-demand heating.

hope you can easily make some prototypes 🎉🎉

[vivid violet]

sorry to hear. heart goes out to those families.

hope they survive 🥺

[mellow sonnet]

Yeah twins and one 2kg the other 1kg

Those are the scariest ones tbh

[vivid violet]

oh crap. that's like super mega NICU

super preemie, and cancer. dealt a shit set of cards.

poor things.

[mellow sonnet]

Oh the cancer was diff patient

But yeah it's spooky when twins weight vary that much

[vivid violet]

oh thank goodness. hope they are okay too.

twins just 2 and 4 lbs 🥺

[drowsy knot]

I’m sorry that sounds rough all the way around. Though I am grateful that you put the effort in to learn these skills 🙏. In that sense it’s the beginning of a year of making a difference. Imagine what you’ll accomplish this year!

[crude citrus]

Not sure if 20g d27 is my thing. Almost poured over the top of the dripper

[neon scaffold]

that bed depth must be insane

[solid ferry]

Be okay with this and you can unlock even more flavor

[tight gorge]

Just pretend your coffee has boba in it

[desert stirrup]

Wendougee looks quite immature as a whole.

I know nothing of WPM Primus.

Met struggles to manufacture however that seems to be changing rapidly.

The Bengle is aimed at the data espresso aficionado who is also a high earner

If you’re poor and dumb just say so bro…

Nothing wrong with the flat 9 bar La Marzocco

Jk jk jk

You’re not dumb or poor

The Bengle is expensive and competition is finally catching up which is really good to see! Bengle is just a better looking with higher functioning parts compared to the ~$3k DE1Pro.

It’s aimed at those who have deep pockets and who want the machine. Whether that be aesthetic, clout, enthusiast, or potentially even scientific spro purposes is something the consumer is to decide.

[desert stirrup]

Nah bro, tanks are dumb

Induction coils

[vivid violet]

yeah, would be nice if tankless, and has enough flow

[desert stirrup]

Where that SS O1¿?

[boreal solar]

Linea’s arent for the poor.

[cedar otter]

Usps ghosting us

[eternal birch]

bought all of them sry

u can have one next batch

PO excellent today

tea

[bitter kestrel]

As someone who ordered Fellow ES1 like a year ago (thus at sub-$1K-ish), I don’t think the price is justified anymore. I am very jealous of Decent owners, tbh. But Met and ES1 price points are so dramatically lower, it’s only a matter of time before there are even more geeky machines at half the price or less.

[boreal solar]

Nah, I already preordered those.

[boreal solar]

I’m a Decent owner and if I was in the market now I’d probably consider a met. @vivid violet’s is pretty impressive for everything other than sprovers which I don’t do as often these days as I prefer a pour over. I don’t regret the decent as I like steaming for my wife from time to time and practicing my latte art. But if it were just me the met would probably be fine.

[desert stirrup]

I’ve been looking into tea brew water

Do you make your own water for tea too?

[desert stirrup]

In a few years I’ll most likely decide between Met and Bengle. They both need time

[boreal solar]

Yeah, everyone I know with a met has had to do a small repair or upgrade on their own already. Which is a tad concerning. Granted it’s early so I give it a bit of a pass. They’re more or less still in testing

[mellow sonnet]

am considering selling my bdb early

and then go back to my flair i have stored

and then i can get met or whatever when i move

[boreal solar]

@cedar otter you need to stock sibarist or filter 3 espresso papers.

[vivid violet]

Met direct orders are shipping quite quickly now (within 2 months of order).. so it does seem safe to wait till software is more ironed out.

only due to my machine being a beta one, I had to do an actuator replacement.. but other than that, I haven't had the profile issues (pause on retraction) which LAbrews and others have been having occasionally.

a friend in South Pas got his a few weeks ago and is loving it.

[left kite]

I haven’t had any real issues with it since I got in december

Beyond running out of milk so I switch back to pour over until I remember to get milk

[vivid violet]

have you tried some Soups when you don't have any milk ?

the Base Coat one I had was soooo good.

[eternal birch]

i think he stocks sibarist sometimes? correct me if wrong

[left kite]

I was doin them at first with the bailey psph/soup profile but then I tried using the kasaya switch recipe for the light roast beans (moonwake finca voldemort) I have on hand and just preferred it so much more

[boreal solar]

I didn’t see any. Granted I just looked this morning because I’m low.

All I have left is filter3 papers. Which I like but try not to use for all my shots since they’re kind of pricy.

[eternal birch]

theres some in artesia store

says east hollywood also has Z1

[boreal solar]

I was looking for 58mm.

[vivid violet]

DC has dialed in his Soup profile too, posted some interesting notes about what he did and what flavors he was chasing. #1456077793015234776 message

my understanding is it's less acid-forward..

https://metprofiles.link/profile/e6017bc9-10cc-4afc-a26e-6408cb2935d0

[eternal birch]

ohh basket filter?

[left kite]

Interesting…. I’ll give it a try when I get more sweeter light roasts. I’ve been liking a lot of washed coffees that have sweeter notes so pulling a soup shot that can pull back on the acid-forward would be nice

[earnest robin]

Top filters?

[boreal solar]

Indeed.

[cedar otter]

Yessir

Ohhh gout & co owner visited Artesia on Monday

He’s coming to Hollywood now

[earnest robin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/interesting/s/lg4bbdHHUg

[cedar otter]

They gave me gout

[glossy sail]

Nicereeee

The only gout I want lol

[rough crypt]

is this in stock at hollywood perchance? 👀

seems like you need more stock questions today

[vivid violet]

any additional stock questions can go to derp too

[short condor]

To be fair, I stole all of the initial orders and a set of spoons so everyone’s really just aiming for a second third place now.

[cedar otter]

Artesia only

[short condor]

I didn’t include the fellow ES1 mainly because I didn’t think it’s functionality was as great as all the advertisements lead it to be. I played around with it a few times at the Venice fellow location. The price point is definitely intriguing but for everything I’ve seen the WPM Prius be able to do at the same price point minus the aesthetics. I think I’d go that route, but the met is ramping up pretty fast on production software/firmware does look to need some work based on the other discord channels, but most people that I’ve asked about there’s in their opinions on it have thoroughly loved it. I do wish I could get multiple shots out of it, but I think future models might find ways to increase size or somehow incorporate being plumbed in way down the line.

[vivid violet]

also, at last WOC, supposedly at the booth, they were saying how they were not going to allow the flexibility which was implied in the advertising

[short condor]

I’ve watched a lot of videos seen a lot of side-by-side and read up on a lot of the differences between the Bengal and new version 1.46 and to me it doesn’t seem like it justifies a whole almost $2000 more but I’m sure there are parts of that that I’m not seeing or understanding fully

[weary chasm]

Probably sound

And ability to simulate a lever

But mainly sound

[short condor]

Kumquat usually has some too I believe

[cedar otter]

Whoa

[bitter kestrel]

Yeah, I'm realizing that now, many months later reading posts from the engineer on EAF. Was definitely led to believe it would be more customizable. But that certainly could be added down the line with soft/firmware updates. I was mainly looking to upgrade from my Breville BE. I wouldn't buy it at retail price for sure. I make 2-3 milk drinks for my household every morning, so need a less finicky setup for espresso, at least if I want to stay sane.

[mellow sonnet]

If u wanna buy a BDB lmk

[vivid violet]

agree with you on price..

I think it'll be a solid machine, just not one where you can build custom profiles.

should be good for milk drinks 🎉

[vivid violet]

is this near the Thai temple off the 170 ?

[tight gorge]

Karsi Lavash bakery, really good fresh off the press lavash https://share.google/SxUCcCpMK34y1ZB1q

I also enjoy their "Cigarretes"

[vivid violet]

oooh nice, and quite close to Pas. love it !

bookmarked:

• https://maps.app.goo.gl/KfAttWAMCtjxWC8u8

right down the road from Oinkster. I had hope for that place, but wasn't too impressed.

[tight gorge]

the line is 99% armo lol

oinsker is very meh so yeah I agree

[mellow sonnet]

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/18/business/energy-environment/edison-eaton-fire-altadena-executive-bonuses.html

They only lost 2m in bonuses 🤡

That's kinda wild

[vivid violet]

what do you think of doner kebabs @ Spitz ?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/e7P6iF2CmWVPJJtE8

[tight gorge]

#1228081171649400912 message

[vivid violet]

I really like their Berlin wraps, never had their bowls

[cedar otter]

Their fries

[tight gorge]

im the opposite. They are so far off the actual berlin doner kebab that I dont orer them

[cedar otter]

What are they called? Trash can fries?

[vivid violet]

oh yeah, it's not like an actual Berlin kebab

[tight gorge]

right, that shit is GOATED

[vivid violet]

haha yeah, those are tasty

[tight gorge]

the prices have creeped up a lot recently, as most food nowadays, so I dont order from them as often

[vivid violet]

spot on, yeah. same. I was quite surprised at the price bump.. so not as good a deal.

[tight gorge]

I do wonder if the actual berlin doner kebab will live up to my memory of them

eating a doner kebab drinking club mate on the side of the street

one day we shall meet again

[vivid violet]

I had an amazing one in Landau in der Pfaltz recently. soooo good.

[neon scaffold]

I’ve never really enjoyed a meal at spitz but it can be clutch in a pinch for lunch from time to time

[tight gorge]

ok now I am going on a melancholic memory doom loop of my youth

[cedar otter]

is this #1160292080959098901

Jk

Never been to Europe

Maybe next year…

[earnest robin]

Ջայլամի ձու

You visit Armenian markets more often than I do

[short condor]

I knew it was gonna be fucking Glendale lol

[drowsy knot]

Shot another lot in Altadena today. Talked with another person who lost everything. Ugh

[mellow sonnet]

The fact that they get any bonus is wild to me

[short condor]

Anybody here have a Zerno Z2 they can speak on ?

[drowsy knot]

Does Z1 + Z1 = Z2? If not, can’t help 😂

[surreal pivot]

So it was mid. Got it 😂

[surreal pivot]

They started shipping?

[short condor]

I wasn’t sure if they did or not but at the rate this group gets ahold of toys and coffee it was a fair assumption someone would have one haha

Ah a silver spoon worth stealing 🤩

[mellow sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-star-wars-emperor-do-it-go-for-it-gif-17446081

[boreal solar]

Anyone check out the Square Enix popup event? https://www.littleakihabara.com/

[mellow sonnet]

Woa square enix popup

My weekends are so busy zzzz

Fidm has some archive margiela on exhibit I need to go to

Academy of motion pictures has ponyo exhibit

Murakami has a popup exhibit too

[boreal solar]

Ponyo exhibit sounds pretty cool.

[mellow sonnet]

The last time I was at that museum was for Totoro exhibit like 3 years ago w my ex

https://www.academymuseum.org/en/exhibitions/studio-ghiblis-ponyo

Oh it's until Jan next year

Lots of time

Idk why I thought it was shorter

[earnest robin]

I thought it was a game publisher

[mellow sonnet]

It is

Its square enix IP

Dragon quest and FF

[civic crest]

all these dragon quest hd remakes been dropping, i haven't even played one before lol

[mellow sonnet]

I've only played one game and it was on the DS

[boreal solar]

I was more of a final fantasy and star ocean kid.

[mellow sonnet]

I was a pokemon kid growing up 💀

[weary chasm]

i was wondering whats the hype with dragon quest.

i guess, i was really into ff8, and i thought it would be my jam, but it wasn't.

[weary chasm]

pokemon battling was super cooool

intense game of rock paper scissors

[mellow sonnet]

I played a lot of pokemon ranger and pokemon mystery dungeon

[weary chasm]

i also didn't expect pokemon cards to be this crazy

i thought it died.

but then.

[mellow sonnet]

I feel like I played the mainline games but didn't enjoy them that much

[weary chasm]

it became more valuable than mtg

lol.

childhood nostalgia super powerful driver.

[mellow sonnet]

I walked around a random card convention I found randomly

All the vendors were pokemon and a few Weis schwarz and other weeb tcg

[weary chasm]

i remember target banned pokemon cards for a time window because their customers stabbed each other or something. (or pulled a gun)

[mellow sonnet]

It used to be 60-70% yugioh and the rest mixed pokemon and mtg

[weary chasm]

and then target being target, they wanna make money, so they started selling them again. lol.

[mellow sonnet]

Somebody got followed outside of a tcg store and got robbed in the parking lot

Like a month ago in sawtelle

[weary chasm]

🙁

i've seen some people put their cards in their car trunk

and then it got robbed.

like your joy collection of cards that... may actually be worth like $5k+ getting stolen.

[mellow sonnet]

Lol 5k

[weary chasm]

oh.

you're saying.

its more.

[mellow sonnet]

A lot of people have 5-6 figures in cards

[weary chasm]

yeah.

but i assume those people don't put them in a car trunk

[mellow sonnet]

A lot of them do

Pelicans filled w slabbed cards is a lot of space

[weary chasm]

seems... unsafe.

but i guess.

it is what it is.

[vivid violet]

oigh, yeah. that would make me uncomfortable.

[mellow sonnet]

The value is there but the liquidity from trade volume isn't there thou so honestly I wonder how much their collections are worth bc they're def worth a lot less than on paper

[weary chasm]

i see some of the pokemon cards.

and they're honestly not that great of cards. but its just super sentimental.

first edition charizard.

[left kite]

I did last weekend ~ its neat. The plushes are extremely expensive but its a cool visit if no crazy line

[weary chasm]

i guess need to look at these uber $$$ pokemon cards.

before i talk trash.

[left kite]

if its like the miyazaki exhibit they did like 3-4 years ago it should be a nice exhibit 🙂‍↕️

[glossy sail]

My gaea's cradle seems pretty valuable nowadays lol

[weary chasm]

did you get a foil one?

lol.

[glossy sail]

Nahhh.

[weary chasm]

i was like, damn. i should have bult elves before they popped

[glossy sail]

Regular. And it's played lol

Not even close to NM quality.

[weary chasm]

i think even thats like $600

or i haven't kept up.

i got into legacy when revised duals were like $300 for usea/volcs

[glossy sail]

Yea. Last I checked gaea was 500+

[weary chasm]

was some fun times when i played legacy from 2016-2019

i think now its a very different game.

palace jailer was a funny card

anyhow. happy to have a copy of a Gaea's Cradle.

such a broken card.

[short condor]

This is my ||wife|| and i’s favorite meme, we say it voice and all everytime we’re about to let the intrusive thought win and do a bad.

[short condor]

Oh star ocean be still my beating heart

I’m still waiting for a legends of dragoon remake and probably gonna need to rewatch record of the lodoss war soon

God 80’s and 90’s anime was just fucking peak

[weary chasm]

@glossy sail have you tried earth bending a cradle?

Lol

I guess I haven't tried. But looks cool for anti land destruction

[glossy sail]

found these closest to my desk. Need to sleeve them lol.

can't read phyrexian though but praetors iconic enough to know what they do

but i feel like MTG kinda lost its way with all the 'effin collabs in recent years

such a turnoff to have spiderman and star wars and final fantasy be legal with traditional MTG sets

[weary chasm]

I'm not sure star wars is in yet

Check out this bg wight deck

Badger mole cub is crazy

[weary chasm]

Yeah. LOTR was on theme

But these other ones just don't fit the vibe

Having said that, ff prerelease was a blast. Lol

I just have a bunch of shiny cardboard to time travel back to 2018/2019 version of death and taxes

I would buy into that bg wight deck because it looks super fun

But I guess coffee

[glossy sail]

i mean - its a new coffee grinder or ... 1 slightly used power 9

[dull adder]

Wendougee can't do pressure profiling. And the fact they get that wrong I'd find it hard to trust them.
Otherwise yeah I think Bengle can be hard to justify and even the regular Decent has just crept up and up. I'm not sure about the WPM but it is interesting that 10 years later there's still basically nothing that can replicate the DE1's features

I think there's still a draw with community, open source (and general openness), feature set. But the competition is finally getting interesting.
Like Evan said I'd more seriously consider a Met if I didn't have the DE1

[short condor]

I’m confused isn’t the wendougee marketed as a pressure profiling machine ? Or is this another situation of calling flow control pressure profiling?

[dull adder]

They measure pressure at the pump so it's nearly useless

[cedar otter]

Is there any other machine that measure pressure at the grouphead?

I feel like most measure at the pump or right before the grouphead

[dull adder]

Meticulous?

[dull adder]

Otherwise yeah I think this is right. But as long as you measure after any flow restrictions that can be accurate right? If there's an OPV or gicleur you should measure after those

[neon scaffold]

lmk how it is i wanna try once the wait times die down

[desert stirrup]

Where????

Also how much?

[tight gorge]

No wait 15 min before open on a rainy weekday. You can still walk in rn.

[desert stirrup]

M&H is an restaurant epitomization of the failures of our country and the wretched direction we continue to move in

It is a spit in the face since its beginning

[mellow sonnet]

Happy bday perry

[compact hound]

Good or nah

Happy birthday @crude citrus !

[cedar otter]

Happy birthday laser king

[vivid violet]

happy bday, Perry 🥳🎈🎂🎉 hope you have a lovely one with the fam

[earnest robin]

Happy birthday, Mr Perry

[bitter kestrel]

Lol. I tell myself I hate hype things when I can't afford them or be bothered to wait/get reservations. Prob not being entirely genuine. I will say, it's hard for a restaurant or coffee shop to survive in this city without a bit of silly bougie hype. I know nothing of these owners, though.

[crude citrus]

Thank you coffee fam. Every year I go to Starbucks for my free drink and I regret it every time. I don’t learn

[drowsy knot]

Happy Birthday Pops!

[bitter kestrel]

You gotta share it! When I do that, I just try to get the dollar amount as high as possible, even if the drink sucks. But anything tastes OK with extra whipped cream.

[crude citrus]

It was tempting to add 12 shots to my order

[bitter kestrel]

Then you feel bad for the staff and end up tipping more than you would ever want to spend at a Starbucks.

[tight gorge]

pistachio latte with just 2 pumps not bad

[tight gorge]

Pancake is good, lemon ricota-esque, crispy edges, soft center, buttery. I'm a pancake connoiseur
breakfast sando is aight, not bad not great
hot cocoa is very rich, ymmv
nancy's herbs omelet was bad, super bland I had to put table salt in it
waffle was aight, nothing crazy
coffee is diner coal
cinnamon bun is from a farmers market pop up (cinnies), it was good but not great.

Overall I would go back only for the pancake, I would not wait in line for more than 30 min though

Its my wifes bday as well

[bitter kestrel]

Sounds like a Griddle Cafe kind of experience. Thanks for saving us the time.

[tight gorge]

I mean, its def a more refined diner cafe experience. Prices are not obcene, just not worth the hype.

[vivid violet]

looks tasty, great details, thx.

baby so cute 🥰

hope wifey has a wonderful bday too 🎂🎈🥳

[boreal solar]

Happy birthday Perry! Garage party?

[eternal birch]

how much?

[mellow sonnet]

No idea

BDB w pesado shower screen and pf. Original pf

2024 manufacture date and prob 400 shots? I could check

[earnest robin]

Why are you selling that perfect machine

[eternal birch]

oh damn thats new new

[mellow sonnet]

Yeah

Prob like 7-800?

[eternal birch]

fiancee would not like me spending more than 500 on spro gear 🙁

[earnest robin]

https://discord.com/channels/726985544038612993/1473041730537521315

2022 with 1400 shots for $500

[eternal birch]

oo

ty for that

[earnest robin]

I have bdb since 2020

I still use it daily

But I modded it with a gear pump

[vivid violet]

neat, what does that enable ?

[eternal birch]

bdb uses vibrating pump normally(?)

idr

[earnest robin]

Quiet, linear flow with pump rpm

No need to prime or hook to line like rotary pump

[eternal birch]

oo

also its so damn cold in socal rn 😢

[earnest robin]

Rotary is still quieter but rotary is much bigger than gear pump

[earnest robin]

You should ask for tax break

[cedar otter]

mmm cold weather roasting is funny

not a good time to release new coffees

[eternal birch]

how do bay area roasters cope in winter lol

[drowsy knot]

1 hour preheat

[eternal birch]

when I lived in sunnyvale it would hit like 32-35 in the mornings all the time

[cedar otter]

well it's just that it's never this cold in socal

[eternal birch]

true

[cedar otter]

all my south korean roaster friends are jealous

[eternal birch]

thought I escaped SF cold only to come back to this

[cedar otter]

bc it never goes below freezing here

[eternal birch]

a section of our office's power went down because too many people brought in personal heaters

[cedar otter]

oh yeah that's a big nono lol

[bitter kestrel]

@eternal birch gonna be listing mine in a week or 2 (whenever ES1 arrives). Prob more in the $300 range. ~3000 shots since 2020 purchase. Never had a single issue. Been well cared for.

[boreal solar]

Don't worry, you gained the advantage of 100 degrees in the summer.

BDB pricing has always been all over the place. Someone would probably pay you more as well.

[eternal birch]

oh crap ty I will take that off your hands when you are ready

[tight gorge]

did ss orea drop?

[eternal birch]

promised to make my fiancee an espresso everyday using flair but I've had to leave by 7am a couple days so I havent been able to make her spro

[drowsy knot]

well Le Creuset seems to be serious about their lifetime limited warranty. We have some pans that are 30 yrs old and still getting daily use but one that we picked up 11 years ago started to have an issue with the handle. Made a warranty claim on their website (just pix and description) and they already have a replacement shipped. It’s a $250 pan and they didn’t even ask for a receipt! So refreshing

[weary chasm]

What about a super auto

[earnest robin]

On bdb you will be able to. It has scheduled auto start and heats up very quickly

But also, easy to use, so maybe you fiance can learn using it

[weary chasm]

Only black right? Lol

No raw

[tight gorge]

Just put it up as pre order

Put a rule that you must purchase two ondo bags to qualify for the brewer

[eternal birch]

Tried 3, kinda awful tbh

all with the exception of 1 from Franke

but its like 40k

[weary chasm]

Maybe good enough for a latte

Lol

[eternal birch]

literally have one rn that I've been too assed to clean and fix (company's one in my office)

[cedar otter]

hmmm great idea

pre-order bundles

I'm releasing like 70 new retail bags today

[bitter kestrel]

I hope this is making it into your vows.

[bitter kestrel]

@eternal birch apologies. I mislabeled my machine. It's a Barista Express, not a DB, so therefore does not have autostart. Def jump on that other listing first if it's within your budget.

[earnest robin]

Lol, it's completely different machine

[bitter kestrel]

I know. My brain just saw the B and jumped at the chance to self-promote.

[eternal birch]

ohh ok lol

[mellow sonnet]

I would trade for stuff + cash too prob

Idk what I would take

[cedar otter]

Someone didn’t tip

[eternal birch]

aint me

carlos

[mellow sonnet]

mandarin 2 latte art really fell off huh

[tight gorge]

Stop numero 2

Golden deli SG

[cedar otter]

h0mg I want that

[eternal birch]

note to never get the udon at carlos

from yday

[eternal birch]

where egg roll

[bitter kestrel]

That's a good day for me. How is Offset @eternal birch?

[eternal birch]

mandarin 4 is alright

I appreciate that they have a flat white

warm flat white on a rainy day hits the spot tbh

[dull adder]

Hometown hero

But don't make a trip for them. Drive a little further to Reverent

They do offer a free drip with purchase of a bag of coffee. So if I want a standard roast that's a go-to for me. It replaced Cat & Cloud

[bitter kestrel]

Espresso drinks are wildly affordable compared to baseline (i.e. drip price)

[bitter kestrel]

Dayglow, GGET & Demitasse also do that. Prob prefer their bags, too.

[eternal birch]

not 100% sure but I think its my first time seeing a marbled LM machine

[dull adder]

It looks pretty nice. Also offset is so much better than the cafe that used to be there

[eternal birch]

also torrance bakery across the block, so good

[cedar otter]

it might be just a vinyl wrap

[dull adder]

Might be

Haha

[tight gorge]

Tell me you live in SM without telling me

[desert stirrup]

There is a misunderstanding here. Hype isn’t the issue with M&H. It’s the fact that M&H is indicative of how our country only serves and rewards the upper echelons and actively spits in the face of everyone else.

M&H is a caricature, a bastardization, and simulation of the comforting, cheap (ish), and local ideals of the American diner or greasy spoon. The diner was formulated as a way to serve those who are local and on the road. It was designed to be a place of home or community. That’s why they serve large portions, give free or dirt cheap coffee with unlimited refills, and usually serve the same fare regardless of the state they’re in.

M&H’s prices are more expensive than NYC’s diners even though they aren’t marketing super quality niche ingredients. M&H actively partners with trendy expensive hot spots (Cinnie’s & Courage) over traditional and historic LA locations (why not DuPars because they are the origin of the patty melt?). M&H specifically is located in a place where 99% of the businesses around are not locally owned or designed to be community serving. M&H claimed from the beginning that it was designed to be “democratic” and “a place everybody can enjoy” while simultaneously charging $27 for a patty melt that doesn’t have fries included or charging $13.50 for a cup of chili.

M&H is not a diner for the people. M&H isn’t even a diner even though they cheaply slap the word on their facade. M&H is the Disneyland of American diners. You go there to give yourself the imitation of the American Diner only to leave feeling the same as you did beforehand but with a much lighter wallet. It’s obviously geared for the wealthy or superfluous by capitalizing on the fading memory of something that once was designed for the people and by the people. A far too prevalent theme we are seeing everywhere we look in this nation.

[tight gorge]

Frontera has gout bags

[surreal pivot]

Frontera Gouted

😂

[desert stirrup]

I mean I’m in. That was my plan anyway! O1 + 2-3 Ondo Beans

[civic crest]

yo

[bitter kestrel]

Good guess, but I don’t! Valley. But formerly WeHo, where they all had shops.

[eternal birch]

hopefully still there this wknd

damn actually nvm I dont even have room

I managed to get a backlog due to gifts

[lone pier]

@bitter kestrel how did you like your bdb while you had it? i considered it heavily a few times but never went for it

[bitter kestrel]

I misread/spoke and have the BBE, not DB. That said, I’ve loved it. So reliable and can actually do some nerdy things without mods. The accessories are endless and cheap. Probably shed a tear or two when I sell it.

[mellow sonnet]

If u wanna buy one lmk kek

[low mantle]

BDB is a great value.

[crude citrus]

Hi, it’s my birthday

[lone pier]

i ended up building a gaggimate which i’m very happy with, but i also think i want big machine and big steam eventually

[cedar otter]

You will receive something

[low mantle]

The sub 10 minute heat up for a dual boiler is why it’s still on my counter. There’s some mods that are pretty nice like the slayer mod, OPV/brass pump, or full gear pump if your game for a project.

[mellow sonnet]

My game was a temp machine

[low mantle]

Someone made a brew by weight mod as well.

[low mantle]

I’ve tried to get rid of my BDB multiple times but my wife loves how easy it is to use.

I have a ACS Vesuvius in the garage but it’s so gaudy my wife can’t handle it.

[mellow sonnet]

Flair is also simple

The beep scares me half the times tho

The beep is like overly harsh for no reason

And I'm used to having super quiet morninga

[low mantle]

Can you put some tape over the speaker? That was my go to move with kids toys that were obnoxious

[mellow sonnet]

Damn didn't even think of that

[vivid violet]

derp, didja hit this 🚽 train before the AI bump ?

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/japanese-toilet-maker-the-most-undervalued-and-overlooked-ai-memory-beneficiary-investors-claim-shares-up-nearly-40-percent-in-first-two-months-of-2026

Toto ftw

[mellow sonnet]

The only AI trade I've touched the last 3 years is NVDA and AMD

I saw that tho

Dude really got 20% stake in company to send them an email

[vivid violet]

wonder what other ceramic processes will work well

[mellow sonnet]

Something about ajinmoto's msg manufacturing process also is important in semis

[crude citrus]

Is this investment advice?

[eternal birch]

no

[compact hound]

Preciate the review 🤝

[weary chasm]

Been so windy and rainy these days

I hear drops on the roof and I'm thinking is this hail or leaking

[boreal solar]

De1 pump sounds like another machine failing to prime half the time

[weary chasm]

It's a signature

Lol

Unique only to that machine

I should just get a niche zero again

[vivid violet]

what do you have now ?

[weary chasm]

Xbloom studio. Ditting 807 lab sweet (that doesn't build pressure. Cast rng)

[boreal solar]

Bad time though. They just went up price wise when the tariffs hit as niche handles them more or less the worst out of the major companies.

[weary chasm]

Yeah. Just thinking of it.

But probably won't

[boreal solar]

I’ve been happy with my philos. Of course being unemployed the last few months probably helped.

It’s easy to tell myself I don’t need that shiny p80.

[weary chasm]

No hype brewer to get?

No hype grinder? Lol

If I can solve espresso with the time more m01

That'd be great

It makes really good pourover atm

[boreal solar]

I could probably sell the philos for more than I paid for it since the intro pricing is over 😂

[earnest robin]

#1326835420725514270

[vivid violet]

I was surprised how expensive they were, and the used ones too..

had thought they were cheaper..

[weary chasm]

Brand name.

Icon

[boreal solar]

They were. Niche just actually passed tariff costs on to the consumer.

Option o and some others try harder to game the system or absorb.

[earnest robin]

so china pays the tarrifs

[weary chasm]

Or say it's a $200 item

I mean. A grinder can't cost more than that

[boreal solar]

They’re the only ones that claim msrp on tariff declarations I can think of

[earnest robin]

agree, it's all the firmware

[weary chasm]

Gotta pay to unlock that feature

[left inlet]

@old cosmos I was wondering if I should bring my Meticulous. I am glad someone is planning to bring a Meticulous to the meetup.

Would like to try @glossy sail P80 Mizen burrs with Meticulous to see how they pair. I wanted to make sure someone was going to bring Meticulous.

We should put together a group of Socal Meticulous users to help eachother to learn to use it.

[earnest robin]

5HP should be enough for bana beans

[vivid violet]

how much 2-stroke engine oil does this motor need ? 1:20, per usual ?

[left inlet]

@left kite I didn't know you were in SoCal or that you swing by this group from somewhere else. I mostly see you in the thr Meticulous discord.

[desert stirrup]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/4367454440210700/?mibextid=wwXIfr

If you like to cook with a wok this is a wild proposition for a crazy good price

If only I had a space to keep this. I’d buy so quickly

[short condor]

What’s so special about gout again

[tight gorge]

ultra-light done well.

pre tarrifs prices were great for good green

also the asian roaster angle if thats of interest

[left kite]

I lurk around, I usually check met discord to see if someone doing something interesting with their profiles or joke around

[short condor]

Scares the hell out of my dogs every time

[low mantle]

There’s always the d63. Supposedly pretty similar profile.

[short condor]

@tight gorge I wanna see your pancake list

[tight gorge]

Plow - lemon ricotta pancakes (in sf)
Wooden Spoon - sweedish pancakes (in sf)
M&H - american pancake
Bills (tokyo) - american pancake

these come to mind

I dont order as often as I used to, but if yall know some bangers lmk

I make a lot of crepe style pancakes (in between both styles) at home

[eternal birch]

plow good

[cedar otter]

No ihop?

[left kite]

Dang no denny’s grand slam?

[mellow sonnet]

I don't think I've had IHOP in over 10 years

Same w dennys

[short condor]

Jacks n Joe by usc is my favorite in the area

[tight gorge]

they look kinda thick and chewy

true diner style so cado would like that lmao

[short condor]

They have a lot of different styles. Their classic pancake is highly underrated, but a lot of people go there for the banana pancakes that are a bit thicker.

[tight gorge]

ah I can see that, I was looking at the banana ones

[eternal birch]

I think out of all the pancakes I remember Zachary's in Santa Cruz the most fondly

[tight gorge]

salts cure pancake is also not bad

oatmeal pancake so def different

[surreal pivot]

Dupars pancakes Gouted

Chez Ma Tante in NYC is great too

[tight gorge]

buttermilk one?

[surreal pivot]

I don’t think chez is buttermilk but its been two years since I’ve had them

[tight gorge]

meant dupars, all styles welcome as long as they are dank

[short condor]

@eternal birch @tight gorge Did any of you ever get to try Dottie true blue cafe before it closed in SF ?

[surreal pivot]

Oh yeah I think dupars is. Fluffy old school with a delicate crisp.

[tight gorge]

oh shit yeah, lines were always insane. Def went once maybe twice, dont really remember them though sooo yeah

wife said they were not that good

[short condor]

Breakfast was ok but the cornbread with the jalapeño jam was fire, their savory dishes were pretty dank

[lunar fjord]

Chez is ghee based I think?

coincidentally it's my desktop lock screen lol

[cedar otter]

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Kpop boyband featured in onyx’s reels

[vivid violet]

who wouldn't want to go to Bentonville, AR

[bitter kestrel]

Frontera? I know not of it.

[tight gorge]

Yee I do remember the jalapeño biscuit

[tight gorge]

Frontera is from the same owners of holbox coffee co.

[surreal pivot]

Troll maxxing

What’s that pending Ondo drop looking like @cedar otter ?

[cedar otter]

Dropped off at Hollywood today; will go live as soon as I drop off Artesia tomorrow

You can go buy in person

[desert stirrup]

@tight gorge meant to say “Mandarin 2”

Remember

Mandarin 2 == Holbox

Now it seems Holbox Coffee Co == Frontera Cafe

Honestly if a restaurant is “selling” good coffee of any sorts just remember

X == Mandarin 2

[desert stirrup]

God damn I hope Lavendar fields is still in rotation

I went to Ondo 1 last week but the Lavender Fields wasn’t there!

I’m hoping to buy as many Ondo beans as possible to try on the O1 :)

Then inevitably sell it to @weary chasm because in V60 we trust

[weary chasm]

Presentation on this was pretty funny

Someone brewed it as aeropress and they were like this tastes like soy sauce or something

I brewed it and it was a completely different taste

[surreal pivot]

Lavender fields was very tasty.

I wanted to try Ondo Kenyan otl but was not afforded the opportunity

[civic crest]

i like yang's kitchen

[compact hound]

Yangs pancake good but a little bland imo

Even with the toppings

Texture is nice

Just needed more “oomph” imo

[cedar otter]

Oof we got more at Artesia!

[cedar otter]

Oh I will send u some!

Lavender Fields hasn’t been selling well so I haven’t roasted for a couple weeks

[civic crest]

i thought it was perfect, nicely executed

[crude citrus]

Macadamia nut pancakes from Aloha food factory in Alhambra is “goated”

[cedar otter]

Next time hit me up in the DMs

I can reserve you a bag or transfer inventories

My roasting volumes fluctuate depending on how much other people’s coffee we have on deck

Mavam undercounter + perfect moose

At Cafe Knotted

[bitter kestrel]

I need to test drive a PM next coffee event. Need to know why they are they’re so expensive.

[cedar otter]

not enough demand

[earnest robin]

if anyone wants this wok https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0001VQIP4 can give it for almost for free

[raven path]

Any recommendations for shops to buy espresso machines at? Preferably OC but LA is fine too

[glossy sail]

Iono Perry... We both grew up in Alhambra. We bias for this though lol

[vivid violet]

Pasquini seems to be pretty good, but they shifted their stock focus..

[raven path]

to what?

[glossy sail]

Not bringing my travel setup to Honolulu for work is probably going to be a mistake. Any coffee shop recs for Honolulu?

[raven path]

i've always found great coffee shops in hawaii but i never go to Oahu so can't help you directly. you'll definitely find a bunch of great places in Honolulu no question

[vivid violet]

they shifted away from Bezzera and now focused more on La Marzocco, La Pavoni, Rocket, Slayer, and their own Pasquini line..

the last time i went there, they said it'll be the last time they can service my Bezzera 😢

https://pasquini.com/#:~:text=82.99-,Featured Brands

[raven path]

ahhh okay. so no chance they'll sell a meraki haha

[tight gorge]

Just think of it as a bana braint rot detox trip.

[eternal birch]

^

holy

@cedar otter big fat refund for u?

[desert stirrup]

I plan to do shipping when the SS O1 is in so it doesn’t matter what location it’ll be in

I’m eliminating all points of failure

I will get lavender fields

[desert stirrup]

Espresso machine depot

Their site is indicative of what they have so check that before driving if you’re far

[solid ferry]

This is not an endorsement or justification for free labor from me, but it is a perspective: https://www.puglisi.co/p/the-stage

[compact hound]

For the FO enjoyers

[neon scaffold]

Had this burger when I first moved here in 2016 makes me nostalgic

Back in the “asking people for business cards” era smh

[compact hound]

Have a soft spot for the FO burger even though I’ve only had it twice in my life

Siblings would rave about the burger when i was in middle school and I remember my brother brought it back for me once to try

Food and bev is the only thing me and my big bro bond over

[neon scaffold]

Same, only had it once but a very fond memory

[cedar otter]

Hopefully

[earnest robin]

What

[crude citrus]

Try and then ask the owner TK for this other shop he recommends that’s a bit more north

[eternal birch]

if it actually unravels all the tariffs pretty much everyone will be happy

[earnest robin]

I don't think the current administration is known for following law and order

[eternal birch]

but im gonna imagine mr. small hands going to try and do some shit and either reinstate tariffs or delay refunds significantly

yeah

[earnest robin]

I paid tariff for my mom's jam she sent over the post. I want it refunded

[crude citrus]

I like to mix it up sometimes and go to Mandarin 1

[earnest robin]

Also, I assume even if they do refund they will pay the company like Target and we will get nothing

[eternal birch]

a fine brown

[crude citrus]

Overextracted

[eternal birch]

oof

[crude citrus]

Interesting to put the C market price on the card

[earnest robin]

Why did they give you roasted coffee?

Also, I didn't know you are 🦶 🍍 enjoyer

[desert stirrup]

I did this last year. Just be prepared to wait before getting in and for the food to arrive

I feel so bad for the back of house on those two days

They are just fucking slammed

Like 30-45 min wait for the burger after ordering

At least the couple next to me were kind and chatty :)

[cedar otter]

I think most people won't be able to get their money back

only like big corporations with excellent bookkeeping probably kept records of all the duties they paid

[cedar otter]

lol fr

I'm sure they won't be writing that info in a few months when the C is at $2 something rn

almost nobody in specialty is paying C price for their greens anyway

[cedar otter]

also I don't understand the point of putting brown coffee grounds in a green vessel. is it supposed to make the color lighter lol

[crude citrus]

Wouldn’t they want to put it even more? The bigger the price difference the better

[crude citrus]

Idk but wife got the same thing so I combined them and now I have enough to d27 at home

[crude citrus]

While making it just now, my PO thoughts were what the baristas thought when they got the glasses back without the grinds in them. They probably thought we mixed it into the drink

[desert stirrup]

How did you even take the grounds home? Did you bring a baggy or something?

[fiery crypt]

I’ve actually had some decent tasting pour overs here lol

[desert stirrup]

Please bring the D27 into the shop and brew it in front of the same barista

Flex on em

[fiery crypt]

At least the one in the valley

Barista actually knew what he was doing

[crude citrus]

Every time I go to a coffee shop I make sure to bring a bag for spoons

But this time I just got a water cup

[crude citrus]

Yea me too. Just wasn’t to my liking today I guess

[crude citrus]

I gotta remember to pack a bag for spoons and a d27 now

I actually enjoy it better at home on the d27

[cedar otter]

[fiery crypt]

Yea I mean it’s always a gamble ordering a pour over

Unless you’re at ondos!

[vivid violet]

hey @weary chasm , you mentioned a friend of yours had the Meraki #1228081171649400912 message

do you know where they got it ?

[desert stirrup]

Man’s a professional spoon thief!

[earnest robin]

That green vero is worth stealing

If I saw the pink one I would have stolen it immediately

[crude citrus]

Just putting it out there I don’t condone stealing lol

Coffee shop owners that occasionally lurk this channel gonna get the wrong idea

[raven path]

I think probably just online from their website. I don’t see anyone else who sells one. Too new. But would love to chat with someone who owns one!!

[eternal birch]

10% blanket tariffs on all countries

might start ordering from china again now

[crude citrus]

I’ll order something cheap, not pay the tariff, and then take the case to the Supreme Court

[desert stirrup]

Who would’ve thunk that the law still existed and would be upheld regardless of political alignment 🙃

[cedar otter]

Time to stock up on packaging

[eternal birch]

150 days, 10% all countries

he's gonna pull some shit in half a year prolly so I think just eat the 10% L and order if u need

[crude citrus]

Remember guys, 🌮

No reaction from stock market to any of this news though

[weary chasm]

Not much. I think a friend bought for him.

Shipped there or a friend brought it over.

[mellow sonnet]

Refunds is prob near 0 because the govt prob already spent that money. Ur hoping that they refund Costco first bc Costco sued them and then that sets precedent for everyone else

[earnest robin]

I ordered 2 knives

[boreal solar]

Coffee machine depot comes to mind. But to be honest I’d probably just order online.

[mellow sonnet]

the trick is to be friends w someone who owns the machine u want

try it for a few hours

[eternal birch]

convince ur friend to buy the machine u want so you can try it

[mellow sonnet]

like tbh the met was never a consideration for me until i tried rory's

[surreal pivot]

Went to Ondo this morning, thought I grabbed Mate Precision washed, got home and realized I got Mate Red Honey 🤡

[mellow sonnet]

went to mandarin 2 and got a bag of gout

[surreal pivot]

Gout PO when the owner was there didn’t move me enough to make the trek back

[cedar otter]

new releases

[raven path]

how does he like it? is he on discord?

[weary chasm]

I don't think on discord

A coworker

He did bring it into the office

It's a pretty nice workflow

Grind by weight.

[mellow sonnet]

the meraki has an insane amount of plastic on it

[weary chasm]

Then press brew on touch screen

[mellow sonnet]

get a breville at that point

[weary chasm]

And it brews.

I'm not sure if it's brew by weight. But there's some kind of stop

And steam wand has a thermometer

So it stops at temp

It's pretty nice. If you haven't paid anything for it. It works.

Uses 58mm gear

Standard 9 bar shot

[raven path]

I dont understand the fascination with all metal on the machine. if it does the job does it matter so much? in exchange for some plastic you get a ton of awesome features that you don't see at the sub-2k price point

[raven path]

i mean i plan to pay for it, lol

[surreal pivot]

First you have to understand thr aversion to plastic 😂

[weary chasm]

Yeah. I'm just saying it as someone that got to play with one without buying it.

It's not bad.

I think it works really well.

Especially for trad shots and milk

Has all the nice automation you'd want.

In a nice package.

[raven path]

yeah thats mostly what im drinking. though it should be fully capable for lighter stuff too right? can set brew temp, dual boiler, heated group

[weary chasm]

The only issue I see is if things fail.

Since they're all integrated.

Just different philosophies

Because I think if my decent broke, I would also have to try shipping it to them, etc etc.

[raven path]

yeah i dont plan to get rid of my grinder but maybe ill put a dark roast on that tiny conical for fun

[weary chasm]

Will have to see how meraki would work or deal with customer service.

For all the hate that Fellow gets for feeling cheap, but with premium pricing. Their customer support has worked out for me very well the last couple times I interacted with them.

I'm not sure how meraki compares to a fellow es1

[raven path]

the fellow would be more interesting to me if it was dual boiler

[weary chasm]

But different markets I guess.

Since es1 is gonna be available at more mainstream box retailers.

Like Crate and Barrel

[raven path]

but what i really like about the meraki is that as a latte guy, being able to start the shot and have it auto stop while i am steaming away with a strong separate steam boiler is really attractive

its the most annoying part of my workflow rn

[weary chasm]

You can literally walk/drive down to a physical location and buy it.

[raven path]

yeah no doubt fellow will be better on the service side

also the meraki has the rotary pump

[weary chasm]

Yeah. It's all about dealing with your poison.

Because this would be like a 2nd or 3rd espresso machine (?) maybe? Haha

The next upgrade.

Or side grade

[raven path]

its probably not my end game, but the middle game

ive definitely outgrown the bambino

[eternal birch]

why not spend a bit more and buy silvia pro x

[mellow sonnet]

bdb is a dual boiler thats reliable

[eternal birch]

true, and a lot of parts

meraki can go kaboom as a company and ur gonna be sol

[raven path]

silvia doesn't have integrated scale to auto stop the shot

i really want that

[eternal birch]

its not too hard to press a button to stop the shot while steaming tbh

[raven path]

thats great for you but not for me

if there are other machines (other than LM) that have auto stop i'd consider them for sure

[mellow sonnet]

Bbw us fun until you bump the scale

There's a reason why most machines are brew by volume

[weary chasm]

Does fellow es1 have it?

I forget

[raven path]

idtso. but also not dual boiler so deal breaker for me

[weary chasm]

Anyhow. Just check the ship times. I think meraki should be able to ship now

[raven path]

yeah it can

i haven't played around with volumetric brewing, im still on standard grams in grams out

[eternal birch]

ur bambino has it

[weary chasm]

Yeah. I mean. It's not a bad machine

Has all the integrated features

If you have questions, I can try it out on Tuesday

[raven path]

yeah i know i just haven't really encountered much online about volumetric brewing, everything on YT and guides here there everywhere are brew by weight

[weary chasm]

To see if I can answer use

[eternal birch]

I think you haven't outgrown your bambino yet tbh

[raven path]

i think mostly just is there any lack in quality of shot / consistency that has emerged. the other would be any surprising negatives in workflow

[eternal birch]

like I get maybe you want more steaming power but bbw not gonna matter to you much if at all since u just drink milk

[raven path]

the bbw is for a more convenient workflow while im making multiple drinks for me and the rest of the house

its super annoying to have to baby the shot while either focusing on getting good milk texture or going to the fridge to get milk out or measuring out my next shot

[weary chasm]

Can't answer these since I mainly borrow use from a coworker. But it's been working out for him so far.

At least I didn't notice anything too different when making back to back shots.

[raven path]

helpful, thanks!

[weary chasm]

From a workflow perspective, it's pretty nice.

Like I said,

grind by weight
brew by weight
steam to temp

[eternal birch]

ill just leave u be, I think ur just stuck in the mindset of buy buy buy and you just want to buy something

[raven path]

please do, instead of focusing on what I actually am asking you're stuck in the mindset of trying to change what i want

but ive been researching for a while for something more convenient than my machine, my original question was if anyone had one / knew someone who had one and what their experience was

[weary chasm]

yeah. If you want to get it, it's a decent machine so far.

[vivid violet]

i tried to convince Vexir otherwise, yesterday 😅

he did listen very patiently

and having been to his place, and seen what he's talking about.. i think it might be a good upgrade for him

[raven path]

haha that discussing was about having flow control in a machine. i can understand why that would be nice, but i think at this stage the workflow/convenience parts will be more appreciated by myself and my household

maybe i can mod it down the line

[vivid violet]

stickers ?

[crude citrus]

I’ve never bumped the scale. But have I forgotten to turn on the scale? No comment

[neon scaffold]

what is the story w/ this? never heard of it

https://lucienne.coffee/shop

glitch roasts and they sell in US for a mark up?

[cedar otter]

They repackage and charge with a markup

[neon scaffold]

ty im gonna wait for next ondo trip or group buy then

[earnest robin]

and the reason why it's not precise 😄

[mellow sonnet]

I would argue for a milk drink it doesn't need to be precise just consistent

[earnest robin]

in this case it's the same thing

it cannot precisly measure the volume and it will vary a lot shot by shot

maybe for medium dark roast it doesn't matter if its +-5g

[bitter kestrel]

Volumetric but they claim within +-.5 g

[mellow sonnet]

+/-.5g is impossible considering how much water the beans can hold depending on light or dark roast

[bitter kestrel]

Sorry, misread the engineer’s post. He said within .5 on the ratio. Quite different.

[mellow sonnet]

Oh yeah that's within reason and also will taste the same in a milk bev

[bitter kestrel]

I agree. Not a dealbreaker plus I would definitely be constantly nudging my scale if it was BBW.

[cedar otter]

Sounds like Slayer

[earnest robin]

so +-50%? if you set 40g output it's 20g or 60g?

[mellow sonnet]

Well a 1:2 on a 20g shot would be 30-50g output no?

[bitter kestrel]

I think they mean 1:2 could be 1:2.5. so in that example, that would be 5 g. Or I guess I’m interpreting the variance from the first number. If it’s from the second number, then 10 g.

These are all good questions to ask him. Nick is live in that thread right now. I’m probably going to always weigh my shots anyway.

[weary chasm]

I'll probably just Yolo and see what happens

Fun to play with machines

[raven path]

wdym? i mean obviously i will be plastering it with regular stickers so it fits right into the rest of my college campus coffee shop

[vivid violet]

joking about modding it with stickers 😅

[raven path]

oh i thought maybe you were talking about the coffeesense stuff that they're trying to make a thing (probably wont become a thing)

[raven path]

im not sure about that - i can have a dramatically different milk drink on a 1:2 vs a 1:2.5, especially if im in a chocolate mood and going ristretto (often) then 1:1 vs 1.3 can make quite a difference

(i assume we concluded that the .5 variance meant the number in the ratio itself and not grams or %)

[bitter kestrel]

Yeah. Just depends on roast. I usually pull medium-lights, so they often just get better with more yield, even in milk. Certainly could ruin a dark

[vivid violet]

I gave him a bad Soup shot, and he didn't run away

[raven path]

i like drinking tea as well

[bitter kestrel]

I would love to prank a UL florals fan with actual tea one day.

[raven path]

please sign me up as helper that would be hilars

[bitter kestrel]

“It’s so … tea-like … getting earl grey and jasmine notes” 🤭

[neon scaffold]

as a beginner UL enjoyer im almost positive i would be tricked

[tight gorge]

Have you tried tpc yet?

Just go end game out of the gate

[neon scaffold]

lol yea i got a bag from airworks and really enjoyed it so decided to grab a couple bags from his last drop

i was hoping they would arrive b4 meetup w/ enough time to rest but i haven't even gotten shipping confirmation yet

[tight gorge]

I have some from the banned drop that I will bring

[neon scaffold]

king shit

it souped so well too

[mellow sonnet]

Time to buy Asia drippers for 10% tariff only I guess

[desert stirrup]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1623189608674950/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Absolutely INSANE deal

Stupid good

[boreal solar]

Bro no.

Stay strong. you need to still have money for coffee.

[desert stirrup]

Hahahaha

Yes yes yes

Also

#1465824779469586584 message

New prototype!

I’m really trying to make this work

I’m hopeful

[dull adder]

I brought my setup to Mammoth

But a car trip is easy to bring a little extra

[mellow sonnet]

Yeah what happened to the orb

Best travel brewer no kettle needed

[weary chasm]

Glad you found a niche

Probably need to convince people about hot water and plastic

[compact hound]

You scared of Sey but you got CC?!

[weary chasm]

But I guess the coffee folks that care would be ok if you used materials of other products on the market

[weary chasm]

Seems like a normie target

[dull adder]

Hey I got the hookups

A free coffee is a free coffee 😅

[earnest robin]

Hopefully you didn't break the temperature pot

I brought mine twice and broke it twice

[desert stirrup]

Place looks niiiiiiiiiiice

[desert stirrup]

Keyword: prototype

I already am modeling ideas for casting and milling this product from SS 316 or 304

Potentially even sheet metal folding though I’m doubtful give the curves

[desert stirrup]

Dude your pfp…

1. it keeps changing

2. it keeps changing to creepy shit

[mellow sonnet]

You should focus on a mvp

[desert stirrup]

Just set it to a black box and call it a day please

[desert stirrup]

MVP?

[earnest robin]

No, mom

[desert stirrup]

[mellow sonnet]

Minimum viable product

[neon scaffold]

absolute gangster

[bitter kestrel]

Does every Mammoth condo look exactly the same? I swear I stayed in that place.

[bitter kestrel]

This is exactly the coffee to keep a mixed crew happy.

[dull adder]

Maybe? This is Juniper Springs

[bitter kestrel]

That’s the one! Enjoy coffee in hot tub.

[short condor]

The curb kaimuki will never disappoint, TRY
Morning glass
9barhnl(brown) but nice

[short condor]

Wouldn’t touch em with a ten foot poll but they have large selections

[short condor]

For that price you could get a wpm primus with more control, a dual boiler is great if your gonna do back to back to back shots and drinks in a one sitting but other than taking your time with shot and consistent milk would be more beneficial. Not knocking on wanting one as I have a dual boiler on my end but you’d be surprised over time how its importance goes away.

If you’re going gram in gram out and that works for you then don’t fix what’s not broken. If your grind size is solid then everything really comes down to consistent puck prep and volumetric will end up doing the same thing as weight.

And if the company pulls out and closes shop just like the others say you’re up shits creek. The parts and service may not be the easiest and most any place out here won’t touch those type of machines if it does need fixed.

I think there a siele or whatever they’re called on here for sell like for 700 and it’s pretty similar as well to what you’re looking for. Haven’t looked in to them that much.
Edit: posted before seeing making multiple drinks for college roommates/friends. I stick with most my statements but if your looking for an all in one like that I’d look for something with a more stable company but I akowledge their aren’t many to choose from

[short condor]

What material did you make this out of ?

[desert stirrup]

Just normal PLA to have a physical representation

I have some glass fiber reinforced high temp PLA with some PVA (a filament that dissolves in water) on its way rn.

The GF HT PLA should withstand around 117C which is plenty of margin for the Moccamaster’s 95-98C water. The PVA will allow me to print the shower head all in one piece without having to worry about supports like I did in this most recent prototype

If you scroll up a bit I document the current problems and route I plan to take to bring this product from plastic to a nice polished stainless steel product for everyone to buy :)

edit: here’s the plan #1465824779469586584 message

The goal is to be like @mellow sonnet

To be a youngin who can buy a house in LA

I just pray I am not met with the same fate. I will very much look into fire resistant measures to save my home. I’m unsure how much is effective without redoing the property completely

Derp’s story of his vinyl collection being lost in the fire sends shivers down my spine

I have special edition releases yo!

[mellow sonnet]

why not sls print it in the future

i got luckier than winning lottery i think i dont think i should be anybody's goal

[latent dust]

Any events meetups coming up in March?

[short condor]

3/7 and the info is in the pins 👍

[boreal solar]

Did another too good to go for smoking tiger yesterday on a whim since we had people visiting. I have to admit, the pastries were really good this time. Still scared of their coffee though.

[mellow sonnet]

Rip car

U good?

[eternal birch]

ya

hopefully the last fix I need before I can consistently drive it around

idle air control valve/throttle body most likely?

[crude citrus]

SLS is $$$$

[desert stirrup]

Dawgg

Oh Perry already beat me to it

Thanks @crude citrus :)

[mellow sonnet]

I'm pretty sure sls can be cheaper than milling multiple parts

[desert stirrup]

How so?

[mellow sonnet]

Considering you can sls the whole part in one piece

[desert stirrup]

Yeah but SLS can not print in metal

Nobody wants to brew with plastic

[mellow sonnet]

The mm is already basically all plastic

[desert stirrup]

I know

Financial security

[mellow sonnet]

Also good luck bc I'm pretty sure your tam is incredibly small

[desert stirrup]

I don’t think so but ok

[crude citrus]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2030388924195804/?mibextid=wwXIfr