#Need help dialing please

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timid jungle
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    Shot:
        Grind: 18
        Dose: 18.5g
        Yield: 39g
        Extraction Time: 24-27s
        Preinfusion: 7s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: The shot was too strong but exhibited an excellent lack of bitterness and sourness.
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    Shot:
        Grind: 19
        Dose: 18g
        Yield: 42g
        Extraction Time: 24-27s
        Preinfusion: 4s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: The shot was weaker, and the flavors were more pronounced.
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    Shot:
        Grind: Not specified (shop made).
        Dose: 18g.
        Yield: 30g.
        Extraction Time: Not specified
        Preinfusion: Not specified
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: You had a 16 oz latte which was far too sweet, but the notes were very pronounced.
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    Shot 1:
        Grind: 19
        Dose: 18.9g
        Yield: 39.8g
        Extraction Time: 30s
        Preinfusion: 4s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Good crema, bitter finish, watery, no notes.

    Shot 2:
        Grind: 20
        Dose: 18.5g
        Yield: 41.5g
        Extraction Time: 23-26s
        Preinfusion: 3-5s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Sour start, bitter finish, weaker, less muddy.

    Shot 3:
        Grind: 19
        Dose: 18.5g
        Yield: 38g
        Extraction Time: 27-30s
        Preinfusion: 3s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Very sour finish.

    Shot 4:
        Grind: 19
        Dose: 18.4g
        Yield: 38g
        Extraction Time: 26-29s
        Preinfusion: 5s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Less sour, palatable.

    Shot 5:
        Grind: 19
        Dose: 17.9g
        Yield: 38.5g
        Extraction Time: 27-30s
        Preinfusion: 4s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Creamier, more notes, but sourer with a lingering sour finish.

    Shot 6:
        Grind: 19
        Dose: 18.4g
        Yield: 40.4g
        Extraction Time: 24-27s
        Preinfusion: 5s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Less sour, less creamy, watery, unclear flavor.

    Shot 7:
        Grind: 18
        Dose: 18.4g
        Yield: 30.5g
        Extraction Time: 23-26s
        Preinfusion: 5s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Sour, less lingering, no bitterness.

    Shot 8:
        Grind: 16
        Dose: 18.1g
        Yield: 10g
        Extraction Time: 25s
        Preinfusion: 5s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Choked.

    Shot 9:
        Grind: 17
        Dose: 18.4g
        Yield: 29g
        Extraction Time: 22-24s
        Preinfusion: 5s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Weaker, more palatable, but still sour.
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    Shot 1:
        Grind: 18
        Dose: 18.4g
        Yield: 43g
        Extraction Time: 27s
        Preinfusion: 4s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Strong and acidic, no notes.

    Shot 2:
        Grind: 17
        Dose: 17g
        Yield: 25g
        Extraction Time: 27s
        Preinfusion: 4s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Bad, acidic, bitter, slight notes.

    Shot 3:
        Grind: 18
        Dose: 18g
        Yield: 38g
        Extraction Time: 27-30s
        Preinfusion: 4s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Strong, slightly bitter, good texture, not watery, no notes.

    Shot 4:
        Grind: 19
        Dose: 18g
        Yield: 53g
        Extraction Time: 27-30s
        Preinfusion: 4s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Less strong, slightly bitter, more transparency, only "coffee" flavor notes, creamier but slightly watery.

    Shot 5:
        Grind: 18
        Dose: 18.6g
        Yield: 50g
        Extraction Time: 28-31s
        Preinfusion: 5s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Too fast.

    Shot 6:
        Grind: 17
        Dose: 18g
        Yield: 20g
        Extraction Time: 30s
        Preinfusion: 5s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Choked.```
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    Shot 1:
        Grind: 17
        Dose: 18.5g
        Yield: 10g
        Extraction Time: 30s
        Preinfusion: 6s
        WDT: Yes
        Feedback: Choked. Save time by skipping puck prep until grind, dose, yield, and time are almost figured out.

    Shot 2:
        Grind: 17
        Dose: 18.5g
        Yield: 20g
        Extraction Time: 35s
        Preinfusion: 7s
        WDT: Skipped
        Feedback: No WDT. Choked.

    Shot 3:
        Grind: 17
        Dose: 17.5g
        Yield: 30g
        Extraction Time: 30s
        Preinfusion: 7s
        WDT: Skipped
        Feedback: No WDT. Ristretto? Sweet, slightly sour, slight notes. Prefer espresso over ristretto.

    Shot 4:
        Grind: 18
        Dose: 18.3g
        Yield: 44g
        Extraction Time: 29s
        Preinfusion: 5s
        WDT: Skipped
        Feedback: No WDT. Sour, slight balance. Small hole on the outer ring of the wet puck (channeling?).
blazing locust
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Would you mind describing what your ideal shot tastes like? Are you looking for a heavy body, or do you care more about clarity/fruitiness?

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Also a small note, I recommend fixing your dose and not really changing it when dialling. Makes things a lot easier

timid jungle
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Clarity and fruitiness for these flavour notes, I had a good heavy body shot really early on but that's not really what I wanted from these notes

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Should I stick with grind 18?

blazing locust
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Have you ever tried pulling a turbo style shot?

timid jungle
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No, how would I go about that?

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I'm mostly frustrated becaue it feels like 17-19g in on grind 18 is too heavy bodied, and grind 17 chokes

blazing locust
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A turbo is basically grinding coarse enough that you reach a new peak of extraction. So something like 18g dose, 48g yield in ~15s

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You’ll get a light body with high clarity and bright acidity.

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The long version is detailed in there

blazing locust
timid jungle
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The cafe that sells the beans does their lattes 18g in, 30g out and it comes out too sweet. I'm assuming it's a naturally sweet bean

timid jungle
# blazing locust https://espressoaf.com/guides/profiling.html

Reading that the BBP doesn't keep temp high enough during build up to hit ~48g in ~15s but read another post saying they've had most success with the BBP pulling pseudo-turbo shots 1:3 in ~25s instead of 30-35s so I'll try this out, thanks for the help

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I dialed my last bag in like 4 shots, this one is killing me lol

blazing locust
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That’s only a debit of 3.2ml/s which is pretty slow

timid jungle
blazing locust
wind shore
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Another suggestion - only ever change one variable at a time
Reading through your list, you make changes to multiple things on every go

blazing locust
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When trying to get to a certain sweet spot yes.

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For more advanced dialling methods it’s advantageous to change multiple at a time

wind shore
timid jungle
wind shore
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I recently started my dialling in by getting to 1:2 in 30 seconds then cutting it short or longer and it helped so much

timid jungle
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The problem is my literal first shot was pretty much excellent if you prefer a heavier body over sweetness

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I just want to get it a bit sweeter, so I guess I'll start with coarser and go from there

wind shore
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turbo shot should help with that, very different to thick body

timid jungle
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Awesome, thanks both of you

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I'll try it out soon

timid jungle
timid jungle
blazing locust
timid jungle
blazing locust
wind shore
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Preinfusion is to try prevent channeling due to hitting a dry puck at full whack - turbo shots should be coarse enough that it should be a concern

blazing locust
wind shore
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That matters less for turbo, you just wanna send it

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Can play around with it anyway, longer/shorter

timid jungle
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Yeah about to pull the first one right now

blazing locust
wind shore
# blazing locust Nah

Objectively yes, the whole point of the turbo is to maximise extraction by shooting water through a coarse grind - effectively halving the time with preinfusion means less extraction potentially

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But again, luckily taste is subjective and root can play around with it

blazing locust
timid jungle
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first shot was 18 in 55 out in 15, 2nd shot was 18 in 55 out in 17

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almost there

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went finer, going finer 1 more time

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did the full 7s, it was pretty light/watery, not too sweet, a little bitter

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ok got 48 out in 16s

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that was actually excellent. first shot i've downed from the bag so far. in like 10 seconds too. i liked how light and sweet it was. but a little watery and still totally absent of peanut butter + berry jam and toffee. they really extract the flavours well with the ristretto latte they make

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maybe i just can't get what i want out of this bean and the equipment i have

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there is a bit of the notes lingering but just mostly "coffee" flavoured

wind shore
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Same ratio

timid jungle
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Ok i'll try that. How would the previous shot change if i reduced the 7s preinfusion to like 0s?

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does that affect the wateriness or notes in a way i'd want it to?

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it would slow down extraction so i would hit like 20s+ anyway

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but i'm not sure if that's what i want to be doing to the beans

livid tide
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With dialing espresso, after a point, you have to stop doing theory and start experimenting.

timid jungle
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  1. Keep the same grind with 7s preinfusion and reduce extraction time and yield slightly to ~48g

  2. Keep the same grind with 0s preinfusion and increase extraction time to 20s for ~48g out

  3. Grind finer with 7s preinfusion and pull 18g in, ~48g out in 20s

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i'll mess with one of these 3 and update sunday or monday

timid jungle
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Got 18 in, 48 out in 17s, it was awesome. I'll continue making turbos, thank you

timid jungle
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Went 18g in, 50.5g out, in 18s, zoned out and stopped slightly late. Added 150g ice + 150g cold unsweetened soy milk. Almost excellent. Notes are there, it's sweet, it has a ton of texture, it totally coats the mouth. maybe a little too syrupy? But the aftertaste was a little gross, not sure if it was bitter or sour. Closer to bitter. Will getting 48g out again fix this or do I need to go in another direction? Thanks