#[1.1.3 latest patch] whirlwind aka true cyclone

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obsidian vessel
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♦ introduction / TL;DR:

very tanky pure phys whirlwind build, easy playstyle, doesn't require high tier uniques / food buffs.

DISCLAIMER: you MUST have codex with gain +15% of your attack speed as attack cooldown reduction.

♦ showcase:

 item showcase, dummy dps, no mapping/bossing - https://youtu.be/x00gzuBci2A
 mapping showcase - https://youtu.be/kCD6PAuqsB0
 uber Nether keeper showcase - https://youtu.be/FLjCuodld-M

well ik nether keepers isnt doing anything really but 7/10 times ive got lich which is so stupid because of big arena and him teleporting around it for 20 minutes straight and i wont upload a 20 minute video where im running around to catch him, but he wasnt really a problem otherwise
same for a stupid ghast which is flying 90% of the time
same for blue skies lifestealer, we just stayed in place looking at each other eyes because he had leech and i was unkillable for him
and most funny was that big golem who fires rocket and slams you who BROKE my pants with durability 255 so i needed to recreate them. (get your repair kit, dont be lazy as if you test something because thats stupid)

♦ key features:

 ~1m dummy dps
 95% suppress
 90% all elemental resistance
 8700 hp
 73% armor
 63% phys dmg reduction

♦ pros:

 VERY tanky
 chill gameplay
 no high tier uniques
 can do all content
 can be done with less defence
 no need in ele res on items because of triple aura

♦ cons:

 requires codex to function
 requires attack speed stacking to certain threshhold
 "weak" health sustain 

♦ playstyle:

spam whirlwind

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♦ note:

 cloak of blades sustain charges and gives fortify
 we use fan of knives infusion of boots to proc "Combat talent" in talent tree (gives 25% more melee damage on ranged hit)
 we max level fan of knives in rogue talents so all socketed gems will function. it autocast because of boot ifusion. if you dont like clicking cloak of blades just place all gems into fan of knives. i prefer getting a little more dmg with fan of blades skill.
 we use sharpen to get extra attack speed. with recent patch it is lasts 10minues so its free attack speed.
 get jewel effect on boots and chest only if you have really good jewels. it is also hard to roll (50 weight)
 whirlwind have empty slot because of its energy cost. if you don't want invest into it (which i dont recommend to do), you need to have energy regen *equal or higher* than whirlwind energy cost. at this point, you can cast it every second.
 Attack speed should be balanced around point, where you can cast whirlwind every energy regen tick (1 second i believe).

♦ classes:

 rogue:
      A cloak of hidden blades - 16/16 
      A fan of knives - 16/16 
      A sharpen - 8/8 
      P move speed - 8/8
      P crit chance - 8/8
      P crit damage  - 4/8
      P attack speed - 8/8
      P energy regen - 4/8
  fighter:
      A whirlwind - 16/16
      A undying will- 8/8
      A protection - 8/8
      A stance - 4/4
      P physical reduction - 1/8
      P augment effect - 8/8
      P attack hit life leech - 5/8
      P attack speed - 8/8

♦ skills:

 Whirlwind - crit damage - confident ruin - physical damage - brutality - empty (read notes why 5link)

cloak of hidden blades - endurance, power, frenzy charge on hit, fortify, increased aoe

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♦ stats:

 All into dexterity

♦ augments:

 armor
 physical damage
 frost barrier
 flame barrier
 thunder barrier

♦ talents, ascendancies:

https://tinyurl.com/dakishime-whirlwind

♦ build rating (my opinion):

tankiness - 8.5/10

damage output - 8.5/10

mapping - 9/10

bossing - 7/10

newbie friendly - read disclaimer otherwise fine/10

expensiveness -8/10

overall rating - 9/10

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All armor - PLATE base (armor + health)

♦ gear:

 Weapon - Mythic - Two-handed sword
      stats: prefixes - FLAT CRIT CHANCE! gear weapon damage, suffixes - attack speed if needed, armor pen, crit damage
      infusion: area damage
      socket: crit chance
 Offhand - none
 Helmet - Runeword -  none
      runes: ven, end, yun, oru, toq, cen
      implicit: positive effect strength/area of effect
      infusion: armor penetration
 Body armor - Mythic
      stats: prefixes - health + gear defence, suffixes - chaos res, phys res, jewel effect (optionally, read notes), other resistances, energy if needed
      infusion: health/armor/armor+health
      socket: damage suppress
 Pants - Runeword -  Wealth (wealth if used only to get extra 40% gear defence and runes for it are good, can put whatever you need instead of oru, toq, fey)
       runes: oru, toq, fey, end, daw, ven
       infusion: +15% damage when hit | resource gain increased or whatever
 Boots - Mythic 
      stats: prefixes - health + gear defence, suffixes - chaos res, phys res, jewel effect (optionally, read notes), other resistances, energy if needed
      infusion: +30% chance to cast fan of knives (mandatory)
      socket: damage suppress
 Ring 1 - Unique - Thread of hope - implicit health
      infusion: chaos resistance
      socket: %dex, res if needed
 Ring 2 - Runeword - none - implicit health
      runes:  yun, cen, oru, end, ven, daw
      infusion: chaos resistance
 Elytra - Unique
      socket: %dex, res if needed
 Amulet - Unique (MANDATORY) - Pendant of wisdom and action.
      implicit: energy 
 Jewels - Get as much augment effect as possible. best mods here augment effect, phys damage reduction, augment capacity.
brave moat
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This looks good but man, how do you play with the fov constantly zooming like that

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You can disable/reduce speed FOV effects in the accessibility settings

obsidian vessel
brave moat
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Its horrendous in maps in general, lots of mobs chill you n such randomly

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so even without the skill causing it it can be really annoying

digital temple
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This is really good.
Great job finding it so early on.
Hopefully it doesn’t nuked…

obsidian vessel
obsidian vessel
digital temple
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Hide this from Mahj

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Your strat is kinda genius.
Using Ascendent instead of the other one that gives 25% chance at 2x dmg. + 25% dex.

Using it allows u to not care at all about res's

obsidian vessel
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raider seems weak for me, it is just 25% more dmg basically, and also gives dodge which i dont use

digital temple
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@obsidian vessel the passives don't add up correctly

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It's 60 points on your thing. But we only get 54

obsidian vessel
digital temple
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@obsidian vessel what's your dex / cr?

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in your stats menu

obsidian vessel
digital temple
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crit rate?

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you had 0?

obsidian vessel
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oh, 93% if i remember correctly

coarse vault
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Is the amulet implicit supposed to be energy regen?

fleet goblet
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m

digital temple
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He has lots of spawned in items, so don’t expect your dmg to b 1m dps.
Probably expect like 500k-850k when u set it up

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You need BiS jewels with augment effect

coarse vault
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got plenty of shit from farming in the past week in terms of unique copies, but i always find myself lacking jewel corrupting orbs

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and from the normal options aint got much with good aug effect %

obsidian vessel
mental coyote
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W time to copy and paste

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is there any good 2-handed unique sword for this build

digital temple
digital temple
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Runed GS is good. you can get 6.5% base crit

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It's using "grief"

mental coyote
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grief ?

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whats that

digital temple
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runeword

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r u new?

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if you're new, you're no where close enough to do it

mental coyote
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oh nah i didnt know grief is the name

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im almost lvl 80 already

obsidian vessel
mental coyote
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this unique look rlly good for this build tho

obsidian vessel
mental coyote
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does unique stat stack cause i got 2 off them lol

obsidian vessel
mental coyote
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whichone is better ?

mental coyote
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this is good for fan of knife right ?

obsidian vessel
mental coyote
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why dont u use physical pen gems in ur build ?

obsidian vessel
obsidian vessel
mental coyote
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ahh i see

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why do we need AS when we only spam the spin ability ?

obsidian vessel
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it also speed up the rate at which whirlwind hits

mental coyote
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: o

mental coyote
obsidian vessel
mental coyote
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ah

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btw do you know any fast way to find yun rune ?

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i havent got a single one

obsidian vessel
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nah its random

mental coyote
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aight thx

quasi hearth
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which codex is better?

obsidian vessel
quasi hearth
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yeah

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i rolled it twice

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im just spamming random codex

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this isnt survival world for me lol

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sadluy

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just curious if it should be something i look for or if the passive block chance one is better

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or what you think honestly

obsidian vessel
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well the only thing you need is atk speed into cdr, other stats are whatever.

quasi hearth
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ok

obsidian vessel
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the thing is, you still need attack sped so whirlwind doesnt take 2 seconds to attack all 10 times, so one stat is enough

quasi hearth
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yeah i have one with attack speed the idea that i had was seeing if i could find one that has either two of the same or if i should look for one with the speed one and passive block

obsidian vessel
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well even if you build block chance, it isnt greaat damage

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it is not multiplier

quasi hearth
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oh

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unlucky

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idk why i thought it was

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nvm

obsidian vessel
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and with cap block (75%) you get 18% dmg, which is actually not even 18 as its additive with commkon increase damage stats, so its around 4-5% more dmg

quasi hearth
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two of the same then sounds insane, i already have the codex for the build just wanted to see if i wanted to go for the block chance as well

obsidian vessel
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i dont think its even possible to reach block cap with twwo handed weapon, because you need flat block chance

quasi hearth
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yeah i dont have a good two handed rn i was using a steelclash with omidirectional vampire for inf hp sustain

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my stats are still piss poor on my real world, takes time to get good stats lol

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i still die pretty consistently on 80 maps when i get to the boss

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i still have low res and not quite enough dmg

obsidian vessel
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id recommend just getting supress cap and good weapon. because block and supress doesnt reduce damage twice. its getting all block nodes will hurt dps a lot but doesnt provide much survivalability

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the only reason or block would be 75% aailments avoidaance which is not relevant

quasi hearth
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for sure

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well thanks for looking at this and kinda explaining it to me too lol

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im not really too good at games like this and im playing the minecraft version before i buy poe2

obsidian vessel
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just focus on prefix stats on weapon or use some unique, most of them good alternative for early game.

obsidian vessel
quasi hearth
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yeah i just wanted a taste for games like this, i tried diablo 3 a few years ago but was super lost, then a friend tried getting me into poe but it looked too hard, so far cte as been great i just suck at stats in general

obsidian vessel
quasi hearth
obsidian vessel
# quasi hearth its been fun so far, im just a little stupid when it comes to numbers and builds...

ye there is some "strange" things like
hunter's mark says its increases damage taken by enemy, but its actually additive as other stats and not multiplier
if you take hit that damages energy shield it wont proc short damage immunity as it works for health so in monster pack youll die almost instantly if you build full es
and other things that is not obvious
just try different things and test for youself, and youll learn it eventually

digital temple
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or can u make em now

quasi hearth
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im just spawning them to see what they roll on on a creative world

digital temple
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oh ok

dusk badger
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Does Sharpen increase whirlwind dmg? It says it increases 'basic attack' dmg

digital temple
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It also increases attack speed. Increases to attack speed increase our dmg

sleek igloo
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So do you start as Rogue or Fighter for this build, or does it not matter?

obsidian vessel
obsidian vessel
# sleek igloo So do you start as Rogue or Fighter for this build, or does it not matter?

you mean from very start?
i prefer levelling with rogue + fighter.
fighter gong strike good early on, rogue sharpen very good too because early we dont have much atk speed/resource sustain so its kinda hybrid auto attack + skills. rogue also have flicker which is very nice early tp (not dmg ability, just tp through gaps etc...).
ofcourse it depens on playstyle preferences but for me rogue + fighter very comfortable start
also you can use almost any melee weapon so yeah.

gaunt isle
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How do you obtain the codex needed for this build to work well? or whatever it is that gives you +15% of your attack speed as attack cooldown reduction.

obsidian vessel
gaunt isle
balmy jackal
obsidian vessel
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[1.1.3 latest patch] whirlwind aka true cyclone

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[1.1.3] update
TL;DR: 50% more dps for bosses, use only cloak of blades for charge generation.

1.1.3 nothing really changed except for one thing - fan of knives.

• Fan of Knives now fires the projectiles in a nova around the user.
• Fan of Knives projectile count has increased by 50%.
• Fan of Knives weapon damage scaling
increased from 20%->30% to 140%->200%.

so previously we had like 8 projectiles that were fired to our looking direction. even though fan of knives was sub-damage it had around 100k dps (which is alot)

now we have 1.5x of projectiles and x7 damage which means its dps (theoretically, staying in the mob hitbox) 1m. with high enough defence like in this build i think is possible for at least 50% of projectiles to shotgun an enemy, which means 500k dps from fan of knives.

so using fan of knives for charge generation now irrelevant because of its high damage output and you should stick to cloak of blades instead.

digital temple
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@obsidian vessel how do u spawn in the sword with 5cr?

obsidian vessel
digital temple
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how don't u die to phys dmg?

obsidian vessel
digital temple
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Also, u don’t need the augment capacity ring, you can get enough on jewels for it to not b needed. Meaning there’s more room to get better stuff on another unique ring or simply put on a really strong mythic ring.

hallow bough
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the jewels

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which look like they're duped in creative

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along with most of the gear

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i would be surprised if this was easy to emulate on the server legitimately

digital temple
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It’s not…

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Like 300k is “fair” for the server

obsidian vessel
obsidian vessel
obsidian vessel
digital temple
obsidian vessel
# digital temple 5cr GS is hard to come by. The gear is Semi easy to get if u use 250+ Potential....

quick math for netherite bastion

lets assume we have 50% phys res and 60% armour, 90% fire res

no map mods, monster hit = 1000 phys dmg.

no NB: 1000 * 0.5 * 0.4 = 200
NB: 700 * 0.5 * 0.4 + 300 * 1.4 * 0.1 = 140 + 42 = 182
NB provides ~9.7% less damage taken

now lets assume map with 60% phys to fire damage and +30% fire damage monster hit = 400 phys dmg + 780 fire dmg

no NB: 400 * 0.5 * 0.4 + 780 * 0.1 = 80 + 78 = 158
NB: 280 * 0.5 * 0.4 + 900 * 1.4 * 0.1 = 56 + 129 = 181
NB provides ~14.5% more damage taken

the main issue is that if you encounter - max fire res mod NB effectiveness drops VERY fast. and some monsters convert their damage to fire naturally.

Also, some bosses have fire penetration, which makes NB opposite of usefull.

NB is completely useless early and mid game, and late game depends on map mods and monsters you encounter. of course you can always respec it whenever you fight against fire pen boss or completing -fire res / phys to fire map but personally i don't like it

digital temple
obsidian vessel
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i actually made a mistake, i thought NB is 30% increased fire damage taken instead of 40%, so its even worse

gilded birch
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since this has the mod twice is that like double dps?

digital temple
# gilded birch

It’s not exactly double. But the extra attack speed boosts it a decent bit

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It scales to no where near as much as Laplace’s build. But it’s definitely a lot more dmg than just having 1

gilded birch
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or hallowed palm i mean

digital temple
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Yes exactly.
But we still want to see the comparison between WW of 1.0 and WW of 1.1.

My only semi problem with this build is his jewels for phys res, along with using runed item.

The endgame imo is meant to be basically only mythic along with 1-2 build enabling uniques. Then rings can be unique for extra % stats.

obsidian vessel
# gilded birch since this has the mod twice is that like double dps?

its not actually that usefull.
the problem is that whirlwind cost ~900 energy depending on your support, and to use it twice before energy regen youll need to have that much energy, and that much energy regen to continue using it.
scaling that much energy and energy regen is big downgrade to rest of the stats

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here i almost dont invest into energy and regen, thats why i dont use 5th support for whirlwind

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and anyways, with 200 atk speed single affix codex provides 30% cdr, plus 50% cdr from 200 atk speed is 75 (80 uncapped) already

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if you would think about skipping atk speed nodes and affixes and useing your codex its a bad ideaa because then whirlwind would taake forever to cast

digital temple
obsidian vessel
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on the server rn i have 4x additive damage, and that sttack speed bonus goes into additive, so having 100% extra attack speed will give me only 10% more damage

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and my messages above were about cooldown reduction which caps at 75%, not attack speed

ember sparrow
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How do you get the codex, does it come out somewhere in specific or is it random?

digital temple
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It’s random

obsidian vessel
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update on build mostly because people being sceptical about me playing in creative world with "unrealistic" all mythic mods items.

it was recorded on Wraeclast.

this is my "legit" state of build aka BUDGET version in ~3 days of progress. i still don't have cap suppress mostly because im lazy to farm for End rune, not all items have infusion for the same reason, and i miss phys res jewels, but it proves that even in that state this build clears mythic tier completely fine.

video link - https://youtu.be/I-rkCf28Bp0

i hope i wont see any "it is impossible to achieve in real playthrough" messages.

gilded birch
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that's pretty insane gear for 3 days, grats

obsidian vessel
# gilded birch that's pretty insane gear for 3 days, grats

it not a 3 day of me playing actually, i played earlier in Tristram and already had lvl 100 char.

3 day of progress mean all that gear was obtained in 3 days of playing after i transfer to Wraeclast. ofcourse i had some currency already but all the gear was farmed after.

brave moat
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Can confirm that this build is pretty fun, been running it myself on Wraeclast

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Absolutely REQUIRES the codex + amulet though, does not function otherwise.

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My gear is still pretty jank, lol not even chaos res capped, but it clears maps like a dream

obsidian vessel
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prob gonna update for a dodge version with lightning coil + netherite bastion in few days

currently at ~800k dummy dps with 11k life and 80% dodge. much better survivalability but its getting into expensive side.

need to fix and test some things before tho

hallow bough
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how much damage can you get asura to deal

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i am very curious :3

gilded birch
obsidian vessel
# hallow bough how much damage can you get asura to deal

uh i cant test it because i would need to twink a lot of points. rn im using fighter and rogue im prolly gonna lose some crit and other stats, and brawler dont have good passives/support skills

the problem is, the sustain is not that good to constantly self damage yourself with asura.

for raw numbers:
Asura - 2724 (lvl1) \ 3680 self damage
Whirlwind - 827

hallow bough
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is okay, just looking for a theoretical limit if nothing else

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even with creative mode testing cuz im getting bored of trying

obsidian vessel
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DODGE VERSION UPDATE

~900k dummy dps
10.5k hp
8% cap life leech
75% dodge (non-mf version)
no suppress version

no written description of items, all in the video.

in video i use runeword pants (Wealth) and Azuna's eternal decree. i lose ~5% dodge (16% effectively), some capacity and 24% dex with it. use mythic dodge pants and second Thread of Hope for smoother experience.

items and map showcase + uber lifestealer - https://youtu.be/K7LKEYvXeNA

dodge version uses lightning coil + Netherite Bastion game changer talents for phys taken as lightning/fire.
overall, it is much better survivalability.

i skip over suppress for few reasons:

  1. hard to reach 100%
  2. allocating Reckless Defender (33% supress, +25% to receive all ailments) is DOWNSIDE. as this build doesnt have much phys reduction and bleed destroys us.
  3. Acrobat gives -20% LESS dodge rating.

i forgot to show jewels. it is 8 similar to this on screenshot. look for augment capacity to fit all auras and other just augment effect for aura scaling. other good stat is dexterity.

IMPORTANT NOTE: for mapping use FIGHTER stance for more AOE, for bossing swap to DEFENDER for ~5% more damage and SLOW effect on enemies. with that much aoe any melee mobs wont reach you ever.

if you manage to scale crit damage to cap (5x or 400%) without Hemorrhager or you dont care about 10% less damage you can swap to SIPHONER node in blood mage type for extra 2.5 leech cap.

mods to skip:

  1. less energy regen (if you can handle it run it)
  2. wounds (35% chance to receive bleed)
  3. less crit chance (big damage downgrade)
    other mods is fine.
    phys to elemental is GOOD because we take less phys and phys is only damage that can hurt us.
hollow wave
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can someone recommend a build to progress until get the codex?

sturdy harbor
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^

topaz iron
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is this a good item to use for this build

stuck temple
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how to get the necklace ?

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im playing solo and idk if it drops in oblisk maps

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@obsidian vessel

stuck temple
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like campaign

obsidian vessel
stuck temple
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tysm

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while ur here

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for infusion on the pendent what should i go for?

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  • % to all attributes
    or
    +15 strength
    +15 dex
digital temple
obsidian vessel
digital temple
stuck temple
digital temple
# stuck temple dont mean to bother you again but, why the lightning coil chest plate?

Well PHYS dmg is the number one killer of this build.
(Unless u don’t have capped chaos res prob)

We convert phys dmg into Phys taken as lightning AND fire (from the talent point)

Since you’re over capped on res (90 all res)
You gain a massive amount of EHP from it.

Not to mention, with 900k dps u still 1 shot everything, so you don’t need a chest plate that increases dmg.
Overall he wanted survivability, you can play immortal king if u want.

(Then you DEF don’t need the necklace infusion)

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IMO lightning coil is somewhat of a cop out.
I’d rather the dps from immortal king. Also 30-35 FLAT dex is huge.

Converting phys to fire is really all that’s needed.

stuck temple
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imortal king or turblance runeword?

stuck temple
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i cant lie steve im cruious to what you would do to improve this build

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any thoughts?

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@digital temple

stuck temple
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yea immortal king is way better

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extra 15k per hit

digital temple
# stuck temple i cant lie steve im cruious to what you would do to improve this build

Well he’s gone for a very tanky version. I don’t wanna stray too far away from the source material.

Witch’s brew or whatever the augment effect rings are, if u get double socket on them, getting the 12% dex.
Goal with immortal king should in theory be about 700-800 dexterity if my math is correct.

As I said earlier, you’re in plate gear, so you’ll be wanting the str corruption. Theres a cheeky way of equipping the gear:

put 80 points into str, then unspec all the points you put into it until u get down to 80. (If u double corrupted all your gear you might have something like 68 Str from gear, then an extra 30-35 from Immortal king, then an extra 25% from ascendant. Obviously well over the required 80 Str.

Amulet you want the 53 Dexterity infusion or u can go for the 48 or whatever of Dex/Str
Implicit is 28 dexterity.

You should have 4-5% dex on all other pieces of armor as a suffix
Then a flat 15-17 dex

Hopefully you’re at 100% cr
You only really have 1 dmg scaling augment so it’s kinda unfortunate.

Going from 19% to 20% more phys dmg is a REALLY NOTICABLE increase when I used it, so make sure u get maxed out mythic phys dmg augment.

stuck temple
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700-800 dex….

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I’m at 240…

digital temple
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It might only b 550-650 i know necklace matters lots. Then the mythic gear

digital temple
stuck temple
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yes

digital temple
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If so, take some out and put into dex

stuck temple
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wait im at 314 dex

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okay yea i just gotta work on dex buffs then

stuck temple
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what would be the best helm?

vernal cloud
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Grapple cast on boot infusion + this build is goated

steady oak
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how can i up the move speed i feel so slow

sage vine
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How do i use the greatsword? Its capped by strength

obsidian vessel
sage vine
tired adder
clever cedar
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The damage is strong, but my body is too weak, what should I do?

jovial galleon
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using a variation of this with quake, i'm really liking it 😄

winged pilot
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What am I missing? It's not working.

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Even when I use the skill, it still spins very slowly.

feral isle
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You need at least, 225% attack speed, with codex on, to get your cast time down to 1 sec I think

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Forgot if it's with only the codex or u need the amulet as well

feral isle
winged pilot