Lvl 75-? Holy Fire Spell Spammer 1.0.6

[ripe hedge]

o/

[white lagoon]

o7

[lean night]

hey sry just tagging in here, anyone able to hit 1m dps buttonless with holy fire yet?

im struggling to get anything over 200-300k =/

[crude rock]

Its enough to do all the content normally if youre tanki enough

[lean night]

definitely not super min maxed gear or anything but i'm assuming even if i had everything "perfect" i'd still be MAYBE 600-700k

[lean night]

ok?

i'm not worried about "doing all content" lol

[kindred tapir]

Dont think its possible

[woven fox]

Yea it’s deff impossible unless there’s a new t0 scaling unique for elemental type dmg

[quick bramble]

i dont believe its possible to hit 1m even with the spell slinger setup unless you have some crazy minmax setup

[kindred tapir]

Tbh im curious about 300K with just HF as they say they have, seems really high ngl

[ripe hedge]

Probably with good infusions & corrupted jewels

[lean night]

not JUST holy fire, but automated non spell casting 😛

( frost nova when hit procs when you hit yours :^) )

[lean night]

1m dps definitely possible to hit without even "perfect" gear if you use golems too

i'm hitting 750-850k dps without golems and no infusions on jewelery / weapon

and definitely far off from perfect jewels 😔

err that's standing on magic circle tho

not sure if that counts 😛

[lean night]

rn i don't know if end game trickster or assassin will be better

[kindred tapir]

Ya if you include stuff like magic circle and overheat and other stuff you could most likely hit it but "1m dps buttonless" is not possible imo

[lean night]

oh i didnt even think about overheat lol

can probably get 2m with overheat

with 3 golems i think u can get 1m dps without magic circle

i still need to figure out what weapon is BIS

i've been just using divinarius for my testing

[white lagoon]

welp i got a towering defense and yeah, it has increased my magic shield by around 2k

[kindred tapir]

More = Better 🤩

But good to know

[forest sentinel]

cringe take

[ripe hedge]

I mean... I don't really agree, its just why.

[kindred tapir]

Based

[forest sentinel]

It's not a main skill for the simple reason thier isnt enough support for it, not sure how many updates this will get but im guessing by the end most things will be a viable 1 button build

[ripe hedge]

Ya but that is intentional/by design

[forest sentinel]

JUst like PoE is, With enough investment everyhting works

[ripe hedge]

or else it would be max level 16 and we could actually support it to god tier levels

[forest sentinel]

Could just be a patch or two away from that

Who knows

[ripe hedge]

its a single value changed makes it op ngl

[forest sentinel]

?_?

[ripe hedge]

8>16 giving you 3 more supports for roughtly 50-75% more dmg

[forest sentinel]

so 15K->22.5? xD

Mega op

Arrow totem doing 1 mil dps

[ripe hedge]

wdym? people are dealing 300-500k with their HF builds

[forest sentinel]

And that aint hf dealing the dmg, it's absurd burn scalling

[ripe hedge]

But you aren't getting that high base dmg for burn to be good with any other skill

[kindred tapir]

Not true, big hit burns would do more imo

Imagine a like clatter build with 100% burn dealing 1 or 2M. Thag burn would be juiced

People just aint doing it cus totems go br

[ripe hedge]

Ya but thats the same thing

you are getting a super high base dmg to scale the burn because of the hp/ms scaling

And with clamor you actually get full support gems

[kindred tapir]

Also that damage is IMO not like really HF. If i gotta upkeep 2 or 3 other things for my HF thats not my HF imo. I'd rather lower damage but less buttons but thats just how i feel

[forest sentinel]

88k dps with Safeguard and HF only, dude who does 300K dps with full skill usage

Had to scroll for ever to find it lol

[ripe hedge]

But you have to do the same for arrow totem, you have to keep like 4-5 other things up, i get that its easier and safer because of the range, but its not like arrow totem is infinite qol

[kindred tapir]

Thats a differnt build

[forest sentinel]

Truer words have never been spoken

[kindred tapir]

I play HF to turn it on and walk around

[forest sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/dorime-patrick-star-praying-hand-together-spongebob-gif-16212519

[kindred tapir]

If i wanted more dps id play a different skill

[ripe hedge]

IMO i would just want bigger base AoE and spec for HF purely for the good clear, and happily accept that its not good for bosses.

we can argue this later, but you'd be surprised how much value you'd get out of three more supports

[forest sentinel]

Eh, Ive got my own modified game, HF scales closer to PoE standards, goes to lvl 16, doesnt count as an aura skill

Duration 60 min

[ripe hedge]

And you're still complaining? weirdge

[forest sentinel]

Well I cant play multiplayer

Refuse to suffer

xD

And not rly complaining, just saying it would be nice if we could do more with single usage skills

Like flicker strike, Would love if it functioned more like PoE, Might be a bit aids with 1st person tho

scales very nice with atk speed, reset cd with freenzy charges

I can understands not wanting to just copy stuff and make stuff your own, but sometimes great stuff should stay that

[white lagoon]

im doing solo 150k dps with crit hf rn no dmg skills just minstrell buffs

btw i been doing some testing, u dont exactly need the MSR to sustain the holy fire, u just need enough MS in comparison to enemy dmg for taking a hit to be positive enough in ehp to sustain both holy fire and face tanking everything

rn with 23k MS i can comfortably run around rolling my face in groups of enemies with 0 issue in tier 30 and bellow maps

tier 40 to 60 i gotta play kiting, above 60 havent tested

[forest sentinel]

lmao that is an early one

[white lagoon]

ery nice

[quick bramble]

i rather holy fire have heavier investment cost than to just sit as a non main skill

not being a main skill is pretty lame for such a fun skill

[forest sentinel]

Also, extremly extremly few dmg things in the game that doesnt go to 16

[quick bramble]

also someone should make a pure holy fire build thread because theres been some discourse here about what we are talking about

some people care about just holy fire and some care about the spell spammer version

[white lagoon]

ill eventually be making a post regarding minstrell crusader holy fire build with clatter for bosses, just gotta hash out the build fully until it can handle tier 100 mythic uber bosses

[quick bramble]

with how unbalanced the ubers are i dont think thats possible

just because some bosses are so antimelee its annoying

like lich

[white lagoon]

we shall see how it goes, ik theres one that heals like 3mil per hit so im gonna need to move around some stuff in my build for bigger aoe radius probs

for kiting

will be trial and error

rn tier 60 is fine, if i can at least get to tier 100 ill be happy, ubers are a dream and might honestly just be possible with teaming

[kindred tapir]

Sadly "pure HF" is not really a thing

[quick bramble]

its kinda funny how one of the builds that relies on augments the most cant do ubers for watchers eye

[kindred tapir]

Almost everyone uses some sort of supplementary skills with it

[forest sentinel]

🙂

[white lagoon]

mine can do without clatter, its just too good to not have it for bossing when its a free skill and everything i need is already maxed

[quick bramble]

yeah but i feel some are aiming to do as much dps as possible and some are aiming for qol

[kindred tapir]

So you turn on HF and walk around nothing else?

[white lagoon]

while refreshing buffs from minstrell yes

[kindred tapir]

Not pure

Thats my point

[white lagoon]

its pure hf in the sense that hf is the only thing doing dmg

[kindred tapir]

I use fighter debuffs, mage has power and overheat

So you would need a thread for each one but i do understand

[white lagoon]

having a single thread to discuss is better, more people to help out

[kindred tapir]

I do think stealing the spell spammer thread was kinda rude of us though LOL

But ya build guides for each wkuld be a good and maybe a overall thread for random discussion

[white lagoon]

this isnt exactly spell spammer considering its just lvl 55 and it hasnt been updated to include the full lvl 100 build ig

[kindred tapir]

[quick bramble]

the main reason is people following the build might be confused when people in the thread are trying to minmax holyfire

or whatever

[white lagoon]

confused people = creates curiosity = people start wanting to learn more about hf = MORE CULT MEMBERS!

[kindred tapir]

I wonder if they would let us make just a HF main thread lol

[quick bramble]

i dont see why not

[kindred tapir]

Tbh every skill should have like a "main" thread

[quick bramble]

oh

thats what you meant

[kindred tapir]

So you can go there to ask questions to people that know what they are talking about

[quick bramble]

could be a theory crafting channel

[kindred tapir]

Then build guides for specific versions are a different thing

[quick bramble]

for minmaxxers

forums channel that is

[white lagoon]

just a thing called min-maxers realm where peeps could create their threads

[quick bramble]

also in this thread’s infancy there has been a few people posting their high level builds

i myself posted my builds until level 96 or something

[quick bramble]

just wanted to throw that out there bc of this comment

[forest sentinel]

Any one else having massive lag using CTE2 planer?

Just noticed it's rough

[kindred tapir]

Cant use on my phone

[white lagoon]

fine for me

btw we rly need a guide for maxing out gear cuz i got no idea how to do that

only thing ik is the quality trick

[kindred tapir]

You mean gambling

[white lagoon]

yes, i need sm1 to tell me how to gamble responsibly

[kindred tapir]

Just fuckin send it

Sadly there is no real crafting imo

Its just yolo orbs and hope

Outside of like quality, thats like the only controllable crafting mechanic

[forest sentinel]

Ah, closing the acsendant window makes it giga lag for me

With it open 0 issues

[forest sentinel]

Bigger chance to find another item with the right stats than craft one xD

[white lagoon]

well, i crafted some boots and chest into rly good rolls, i just dont know if what i did was correct

aka spammed new beginnings until i got what i wanted

[kindred tapir]

Thats the gamble

BUT ive heard that they know crafting options are limited and we may be getting more in the future

Keep it on the dl though since im not 100% on that

[white lagoon]

cuz like ik theres also the shi to boost ur stats into higher rarities as well tho the 15% chance to destroy is just.. if i lose a good roll gear to the void i will cry

[forest sentinel]

Well id say it's 100% happening , just look at old CTE, they had like all of the PoE orbs

Hell, some were even better than PoEs

Orbs that rerolled only suffix or prefix for instance

SO if you found bis suffix or prefixes, gg

Just reroll either or into close to bis

Also, I think this will be the tree il be using for MS stack(Keep in mind ive done some modifications to the game)

https://cofeiini.github.io/cte2-planner/?preset=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%3D

Course could drop aoe for some more dmg if needed

But it feels sooooo good

Also might go steady hands, as crits dont increase burn dmg

[white lagoon]

i need that.

[white lagoon]

jewel on middle top u can economize one point by making it come from top and not bottom

[forest sentinel]

The same no?

[white lagoon]

no cuz ud be removing the middle bottom point, both left and right are already connected to the outward ring so u dont need th epoint i the middle and can change it to a burn chance node or smthin

also not sure if witchs brew is good rn cuz u most likely want to go either full MS or full health

[forest sentinel]

One of the changes ive done, It's flipped

hp reg=ms

ms reg*

Felt it was mega scuffed doing it the other way around

As scalling hp reg is already inf easier than ms

So thats a slight buff, sadly, it scales of only flat hp reg

Which is giga scuffed

[white lagoon]

true

https://cofeiini.github.io/cte2-planner/?preset=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%3D%3D

my talent tree almost goes around the world

[forest sentinel]

Or the other way around would be only flat ms reg

[white lagoon]

almost

[forest sentinel]

Jesus christ

That tree

[white lagoon]

only wish it had a bit more crit dmg but theres just no way i can make it fit

like, aint no way

actually i could remove projection then id only need 1 point

[kindred tapir]

Crit damage from the tree feels bad imo

Like 3 points for like 14%

[white lagoon]

minstrell transforms that 3 points into 25% or smthin

[kindred tapir]

[white lagoon]

rn im at 75% crit chance 362% crit dmg

with divinarius im at 55% crit chance 400 something crit damage

[white lagoon]

ummm u can get 35% plus 10% plus 25% plus 30% plus 10% damage absorbed by mana

so instead of trickster, an arcanist approach might be possible

but we would be losing chestplate and moving from ghost shroud to mana tanking

[kindred tapir]

No evade = better imo

But idk tbh

[white lagoon]

arcane ward, cloak of defiance, nebula's shoes and mana battery

would give 100%

not convinced would have to see the actual hard numbers of mana

cuz ud have to have a ghast tear necklace for intelligence to mana and mana to mana shield from arcanist, if that mana to mana shield is done after the percentage calculations its probs not worth

ud also lose 20% dmg suppression which isnt a big deal ig

and in my build i can get to it perfectly by dropping the magic shield regen nodes

nice

and from int i got 300% mana regen, so 9% mana restored per second total, problem ig wont be the regen but the amount of mana u can actually get

seems much better than dodge tanking cuz dodge is rng while mana tanking is more constant IF it can be worked with

and now that i think about it minstrell is perfect for this cuz of the song that gives more resource regen

ok, POSSIBLE, i need to grind for the uniques i need for that

ah wait arcane ward fuckin SUCKS

nvfm

it has a LESS damage, ew

so we would be able to get 65% damage to mana without royally destroying dmg or having to slot in a bad unique, with a bad unique 75%

but could slot in a written word cuz tomes get a mana to mana shield infusion which is real good for this type of build. problem really is the 35% damage coming through to mana shield ig (for my build cuz i get a lot of heal strenght)

Yeah the mana shield regen would be a huge problem to solve. Idk if a good augment would be enough

[ripe hedge]

Ya i wish it was just -30-40% damage

not less

I was going to try it despite that cause 100% sustain does = more dmg but didn't get to the point where mana was a big factor because of sustain reasons, While i did have mana >50% you could feel the impact. Don't think 100% dmg taken from mana is necessary, you just need to split the dmg between two pools that can independently regen to help sustain the self dmg

[white lagoon]

Gotta also test which version ends up with the most ms. Should be the mana tank cuz u can slot a tome and ignore dodge ratinf

[ripe hedge]

Its not even close if the extra flat from trickster worked, or at least thats what my gut is telling me

[white lagoon]

Yeah if only trickster actually worked like it honestly should

[lean night]

wait is burn scaling good? im doing easily 500-750k without burn 👀

but im full crit, not sure if burn & crit go together, i haven't really tested it

[kindred tapir]

They dont

[lean night]

yea that's what i figured

[kindred tapir]

but we gonna need a clip of that 600K dps

Thats some big damage

[lean night]

yea im not sure how much of it is frost nova cuz i have that on my boots

cuz if ur running holy fire and NOT running frost nova on ur boots

ur really fucking up

lol

it heals every time it happens... and it happens when u get hit... and ur ALWAYS getting hit

are you guys saying that stacking dodge to get extra magic shield isn't worth it on trickster tho?

io was actualyl curious about that

was gonna test a vest chest fortitude vs towering defense

to see which was betteer

[lean night]

i plan on fleshing out the build later today i'll post updates with trees n stuff

i really wanna get better jewels

and go trickster

instead of assassin

🙁

plus i got distracted last night when i found out that blowgun is a "bow"

and went back to testing auto attack shenanigans

im thinking BIS weapon might not be divinarius

but actually a mythic staff

with the "gain 20+% of your heal strength as skill damage"

and then flat crit, and heal strength

and then preferably also cdr, fire damage, etc

but even if u ust got flat crit and gain 20%+

i think that might be BIS

cuz gear weapon damage doesn't increase holy fire damage ye?

[kindred tapir]

nope

[lean night]

yea that might be BIS then

not sure if the extra damage HF gets would outweigh the damage loss of frost nova tho

also i might look into other gems, all i've been testing is battery + confident ruin

there shouldn't be anything better right?

[kindred tapir]

Also how you test DPS when you need to get hit for it btw? since there is no dummy that hits you

[lean night]

ur joking right?

[kindred tapir]

No thats a real question lol

Im curious lol

[woven fox]

lmao eth

theres a dmg tab on chat

[lean night]

https://i.imgur.com/5lRAbSZ.mp4

what is happening when holy fire is on

[kindred tapir]

Oh it counts selfhits

I assumed it would not lol

[woven fox]

ye everything with hit

[kindred tapir]

Right right, POE brain got me thinking different

[lean night]

yea when i said

you're "always getting hit"

i wasn't being rhetorical

like "oh u walk into mobs"

[kindred tapir]

I just assumed that was like you in packs the whole right lol

[lean night]

i mean it's literally proccing off cooldown

[kindred tapir]

No that makes more sense lol

[lean night]

nah packs don't even get close enough to hit most of the time

also chilling touch III on all my gear in case they do

😏

[woven fox]

also ive upgraded to dia tier so time to make a unique

[kindred tapir]

Lets go!

[woven fox]

now tho its ether we make a t0 for fire dmg stacking or i go with my meme one of off crusader hF

[kindred tapir]

Dont forget it has to go though mahj

so it cant just be giga broken lol

[woven fox]

yea but im gonna try imagining the closest thing we have for a t0 for us

that or the heresy item

tbh the heresy item seems like the easiest and most possible but a stacking one would be nice

[keen briar]

me pressing ESC by accident for the 10th time and having to rescroll

can you pin the OP so i can jump to it?

[crude rock]

My game doesn't crash with it xd

[woven fox]

#1398905178236780594 message

tbh i prob should do this every 500 msgs lmao

[crude rock]

Tru but thers a Buttom that lets you send it up to the top massage

[keen briar]

Jump to top isn't on phone tho

[woven fox]

idk if theres one on mobile tho

[keen briar]

or at least not whatever one im using

[crude rock]

Nop ther isent

[woven fox]

gotta love discord sometimes they prob have a odd justure thing to go to top

[keen briar]

is there a reason we dont go diamond will?

[woven fox]

its not updated but we do go dia will

[ripe hedge]

Just scroll through the 2300 messages 🙂 xd

[white lagoon]

U get 1k dodge per 20k magic shield which is fine. The problem is the dodge u get from trickster doesnt get boosted by dodge rating% or more dodge rating. Same with the magic shield u get from it, it doesnt get influenced by any multis additive or not. So even with 40k shield ur getting a measly 2k dodge which is around a 50%. Rolling that 50% chance enough times ull die here and there with that setup.

[lean night]

can u edit that to say 40k shield

i wanna send it to admin

[white lagoon]

The frost nova mechanic seems fun

[lean night]

https://i.imgur.com/RDBPv2H.png

this part

[white lagoon]

I already opened a bug in the thing

[lean night]

ah ok

[white lagoon]

Done tho u can open another one if u want might bring more attention to it

[white lagoon]

problem rn and what my instinct tells me regarding trickster is that for it to work, u need first all resistances maxed and damage suppression, then u need a big enough ms pool. Its a fight for basically making the ehp u get from ghost shroud higher than the ehp ur bleeding from mob hits and hf. Basically, in a group of 5 mobs, u need to be able to tank 3 of them to not be constantly blown up, and that number goes down the higher the tier

so with 23 k, ok ur comfortable in tier 40 maps but u try a tier 70 and ull be blown up

which makes the playstyle of pop hf and just run through not viable, which is what gives me DOPAMINE

[lean night]

wait can u dodge HF for the purposes of ghost shroud?

i've never tried ghost shroud

[white lagoon]

no u cant

[lean night]

f

[white lagoon]

but it pops ghost shroud procs from other hits

[lean night]

seems like a waste of a point then

ah ic

[white lagoon]

ah yeah u go ghost shroud from unique offhand cuz going the point in talent tree sucks cuz LESS MAGIC SHIELD REGEN

basically not worth

man some of the game changer talents were not thought out ngl

basically make that 15% into a 12% regen, a 5% per second into a 4 % per second

i shouldnt do math right after waking up my brain cant brain

one thing i gotta give the mod pack tho, the structure of the talent tree is really well made. The distance to everything i mean. Basically have had the PERFECT amount of talent points every time to get what i wanted out of it

[white lagoon]

hey can ya explain this please where are u getting frost nova on boots from?

i was looking at it yesterday and was thinking of getting a destruction ring instead

oh its an enchantment, cool

well, infusion

[crude rock]

Infusion

[white lagoon]

ok so cloak of defiance and becoming a mana tank is a damage down BUT i think its a damage down only by itself and with the other pieces itll be a dmg up

but looking at another side, it also benefits attack skills with mageblade and crusader has a bunch of those

[white lagoon]

i didnt see withers flame, it can cast armageddon on hit, minstrell can benefit from overheat baby

thats huge

even better, sogroken, curse of silence

oh wait no that doesnt give overheat bummer

[woven fox]

uh of wait lmao i deleted orig msg

[woven fox]

Back to Top - #1398905178236780594 message

[bright cliff]

What should I do to not die when I cast that holy fire spell? 😄

[woven fox]

moar regen and enchant ur gear with Fire protection

[kindred tapir]

Yep yep, fire res and regen are top prio for survival early

[tough iris]

question and sorry to do it here but i didnt want to dm but im level 64 with 4k health and my resistances are ok but i keep dying in epic maps could i dm you by stuff and ask for advice of what to change or should do?

[white lagoon]

epic maps might be a bit difficult, ur going elementalist crusader version?

[tough iris]

fighter crusader dealing all lightning dmg

[white lagoon]

ah ur not hf this thread is for holy fire, idk much about other builds, did u try asking in the build discussion tab?

[tough iris]

yea this my own build lol

and i havent yet but thats kinda why i replied to dark becuase ive talked to him before

[white lagoon]

oh ait 👍 ill let him handle it then

i should probs one day read the rest of classes skills but thatd be HERESY

[tough iris]

yea lmao

[kindred tapir]

Sure! Idm helping although im not super well versed in your build. Im at work so i cant be like active active for about 2ish hours but feel free to DM me and I'll try to help you out the best I can.

[tough iris]

sounds good thank you, ill try to record it so you can just pause for some things

[bright cliff]

Can I use this build also with staff, or I need axe for that? I mean, on your tree I can see that you started with Axe ._. [Newbie Here]

[kindred tapir]

A staff should be fine i would think. Technically a staff is more damage then a axe but it requires more int investment

[bright cliff]

Allright, I need to build something for lvl 40 for now and I'll try this build out.

I mean... In Diablo 2 I was playing as Holy Paladin so.... Yeah. That's something I would like to try out...

Cause I totally can't find any valid Necromancer build 😄

[kindred tapir]

Idk much about this version specially but early on full str/HP is really good and you can get working by level 35

[forest sentinel]

https://cofeiini.github.io/cte2-planner/?preset=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%3D

Slight update

[woven fox]

Lvl 75-? Holy Fire Spell Spammer 1.0.6

[lean night]

https://i.imgur.com/dCwsQpg.png

3 points brother

literally the best node on the tree

for this build

[kindred tapir]

He do be right

[lean night]

what kind of numbers u seeing with burn with that kind of investment

also

https://i.imgur.com/25sq6Sj.png

u might be reading this wrong

wasted point imo

[real tendon]

does nothing if we are devoted to ms now

[kindred tapir]

Could save points on the left side of the tree also

I was able to save 3 points, seeing if there is any more

[lean night]

:^) use them to grab defender

ez game

[kindred tapir]

I think 3 is max save

well keeping everything they have

[real tendon]

did you keep witches brew?

seems unesscicary

[kindred tapir]

Yes, idk why they have it but I kept it since they took it

could save the extra point if you dont take it tbh

[real tendon]

does the build have hpr anywhere?

[kindred tapir]

not from the tree it dont look like

maybe gear?

[real tendon]

seems very strange

just all ms

[kindred tapir]

https://cofeiini.github.io/cte2-planner/?preset=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%3D%3D

[lean night]

oh also grab EO lol

[kindred tapir]

You could also drop the "elemental weapon" nodes for the burn damage nodes, Only reason I took them was to keep the same elemental damage you lose from droping the left side

[lean night]

https://i.imgur.com/Izxic5U.png

1 point for 25% more damage

[kindred tapir]

You do need to crit but ya if you are not building crit damage it is just free damage sometimes

[lean night]

should be able to keep it up always even with like ~10% crit chance

[crude rock]

You coudl change the wau to make a cold build with zero button inbut with constant self dmg to constant trigger frostnova i tried it just my self healing was not abel to follow it did not have maxed fire resistance

[lean night]

build hits enough

[forest sentinel]

Im playing a modified version of the game, flipped functionality of witches brew, and true i did completely forget about defender

Will revise once i get on the comp

[forest sentinel]

Flipped witches brew as by most metrics it's god awful the original way

lmao, mahj rly needs to revise the wording to make things clearer

Several diffrent named things got the exact same functionality

Now that I see ele wep dmg is just ele dmg, I can change a fuck ton

[white lagoon]

Wait ele wep dmg is juse ele dmg?

Wtf

[forest sentinel]

yup lmao

[white lagoon]

Thats so badly worded

[forest sentinel]

omega badly

I saved like 6 or 7 points thanks to that

[white lagoon]

I was thinkin it was like elemental attack skill dmg lmao

[forest sentinel]

yup same, but holding alt on the node, Increases all elemental damage dealt

hell, now even the ele dmg staff nodes are pretty nice, aslong as you hold a staff

big dmg

4 points for 19% ele staff dmg

Which is 19% dmg aslong as you hold a staff

only 2 locations I know of that is more dmg than that for 4 points

Which is 24%

And 26%

Oh also, this place is also pretty nuts 15% aoe and 16% ele dmg

[ripe hedge]

Are you sure this would apply to holy fire? I was under the assumption weapon type damages applies as long as you hold that weapon type and the skill scales with weapon damage. Or is it just the first?

[forest sentinel]

with 10% ele wep dmg

Without 10%

So, yup, seems to work

[ripe hedge]

Probably meant to be for attack skills but not implemented correctly or else why have even add weapon elemental damage. xd

[forest sentinel]

yup, very scuffed, but if I remember corectly mahj has said he is revising the wording on the talent tree

[ripe hedge]

Like normal elemental damage exists so super weird theres no difference.

[forest sentinel]

hmm, sustain through ms seems very scuffed

Ive got 77% fire res at current, taking 450 dmg every dmg instance

with 682 ms regen

But somehow, my ms depletes

Wait im dumb as a rock, ignore that lmao

I need double the regen to fully sustain as im taking the dmg every 0.5 sec

[white lagoon]

yep tho sustain through ms is scuffed anyways

since no % magic shield restored per second sources like hp

besides ghost shroud

which doesnt rly count cuz it is conditional % msrs

[woven fox]

Ye ms sustain deff feels much lower compared to hp rn

[white lagoon]

whole reason im trying to turn it into a mana tank, but the uniques i need aint droppin besides the chestplate

so i cant run tests as of rn

[kindred tapir]

Hp = life 🤩

[woven fox]

Btw I’ve finally requested the crown of heresy so maybe next update it will come (might not come in 1.10 tho,sounds like it’s v soon)

[kindred tapir]

Very nice

You should get them to update your looks to big time supporter

Also just noticed we lost our shiny name

[woven fox]

It’s deff gonna reduce dmg of builds but it’s mainly a off crusader tank item for hf

[kindred tapir]

Boosts must have run out

[woven fox]

Oh ye rip no shiny

Still 20 tho so odd

[forest sentinel]

I saved it 🙂

[forest sentinel]

Also, what it do tho?

[woven fox]

Simply it reduces hp and ms and fire res but u gain phys to fire and holy fire skill

Oh and a bit of burn chance

[forest sentinel]

phys to fire huh?

Taken?

[woven fox]

Ye same as game changer just lower rate

[forest sentinel]

Thank god, solid addition

[woven fox]

Irc there’s only one other that does that and only 5%

[forest sentinel]

ye

I just made Cloak of flame from PoE and added it in, single player supremacy

[woven fox]

I will say tho with the item it might be hard to maintain the fire res u need

It’s -30 - -50 atm

[kindred tapir]

Mental note, fatninjas game is MUCH different then ours for any sort of HF discussions in the future lol

[woven fox]

Ye lmao he’s deff running on crack with his full set of uniques

[kindred tapir]

Res is already imo a big problem (for non cheifton builds)

[forest sentinel]

Nah not extremly diffrent, witches brew switched is like the biggest thing

The uniques got to drop aswell T___T

[kindred tapir]

And a clock of flame is HUGE lol

I mean power to you but i just need to remember is all lol

[forest sentinel]

They got lower weight than normal ones so quite a bit rarer than the rest

[woven fox]

Ye tbh might wanna reduce it but I’ve gotta look a bit first

[forest sentinel]

think normal uniques are at 1000 weight, mine are 700 or so

Also, all of em got level req

You wont get a cloak at lvl 5 xD

Currently with the new world, lvl 51, not a single usable unique xD

[woven fox]

Btw thinking about it a lil bit more maybe I reduce the -res to -20 - -40 i still wanna keep it a bit high as bc ur goin off crusader u can prob get ele res off other things to help offset

[forest sentinel]

DOnt rly got good res stuff in the classes

Would have to be gear/talents/jewels

[woven fox]

Tru it would just be more investment but u could prob get enough if u get a v good jewel

[forest sentinel]

Also, kinda feels like you need to go bastion with how hard phys res/armor is to get with pure int gear

[woven fox]

Tho I won’t lie I’ve not gotten v good jewels yet lmao

[forest sentinel]

Might have to go str/int hybrid

and as you kinda want to go pure Gear def, that will be pretty good defensives

[crude rock]

140k dps with aut having optimazed jet xd and no support gems in them well gonnna upgrade now we will se where i land

just have one broblem xd i need one more aura effect for magic shild regen xd

[crude rock]

dose somone has a unic weapon for it?

[kindred tapir]

Which?

[crude rock]

for thies build

[white lagoon]

if ur going crit, divinarius or bonesnapper are both good, burn variation theres flame dawn arch gamble

i imagine ur going burn cus ur using overload

[crude rock]

i did somthing funny with ms but now strugel a bit with surviving

[crude rock]

i used divine frost there xd

since i cant regen fast enoug magic shild like i think gohst shrouds dont get trigert thu self dmg

[white lagoon]

ghost shroud doesnt get stacks through self dmg, but the stacks do get procced off of self damage i think

ghost shroud only gives stacks on dodging enemy attacks

thats the issue with it

[crude rock]

Jea i just have like 39% doge rate but could be enough even with self dmg if ghost shroud would broce but not sure if i even doge dmg

Ms regen is usless for me since i only get to like 450 with gohst and regen + fron tree

[white lagoon]

mana battery with cloak of defiance and arcanist is one way of damage mitigation

[woven fox]

It coulda been nice if ms regen had something like witches brew but for ms

[forest sentinel]

[crude rock]

Jea tei only gohst shroud relly

[white lagoon]

or if it had a single 1% magic shield regenerated per second node

itd solve EVERYTHING

[crude rock]

We have

I think even 20%

[white lagoon]

no like, 1% of magic shield regenerated per second

[crude rock]

tru

[white lagoon]

a for every 100 magic shield regenerate 1 magic shield like we have for hp and in the chieftain ascendancy

[crude rock]

i used thies

[white lagoon]

yeah im also using that cuz it boosts ghost shroud regen afaik

[woven fox]

Tbh most balanced unique I could think of would be something like gain ghost shroud on hit but reduce chance for it to consume

[crude rock]

dose not

[white lagoon]

Uh, should it work like that or is that a bug?

[woven fox]

Might just be too small of a #

[crude rock]

no idea is for me 15% even when shwiching the talant on of and nothing says here

for me its 15% and you?

mine looks like that right now

[white lagoon]

Ah in the talent tree it wouldnt show nor the unique lantern, itd be in the stats somewhere or in the code. And yeah the status effect in the library kinda shows nothing i think thats the remove part thatll remove the ghost shroud stack on it

[crude rock]

i have the latern too

[forest sentinel]

It wouldnt show on the item

[crude rock]

sry dislexia hit for a sec

[white lagoon]

Btw this is a threat to yall elementalist lovers, just you wait until i get a withers flame cuz ima surpass yall in dps TRUST

Minstrell will rule

[crude rock]

thies with out

[white lagoon]

Oh wheres that from?

A jewel?

[crude rock]

fixed now can tankl as hell xd

[crude rock]

best one for it xd

[white lagoon]

Ok, i need that

[crude rock]

xd

[forest sentinel]

Jesus fuck

That's insane

[crude rock]

fr forgot to switch ms shield for ms regen

[forest sentinel]

15% MORE burn

lmao

[crude rock]

like with 140k dps now with out suport gems in it

and not optimazet gear lol

[forest sentinel]

Without supports??

[crude rock]

jea

[white lagoon]

Thats from uber bosses tho right?

[crude rock]

not even rune word pants

[crude rock]

yes

[forest sentinel]

Whats just HF doing?

Without all of that

Rest

[crude rock]

one sec

[white lagoon]

Bruh i aint gonna be doin ubers for a while id get ONE SHOT

[crude rock]

40k dps

[hazy shell]

bro how do I go back to first message

[woven fox]

Man almost passing 50k dream

Lmao

[crude rock]

... pased

[forest sentinel]

40K pure hf, not even using battery wtf

[woven fox]

I accidentally deleted original messy so gotta find a link up rq

[crude rock]

not one suport gem

[white lagoon]

Now put battery in

[woven fox]

#1398905178236780594 message

[crude rock]

xd

100k xd

[forest sentinel]

lmao

We gaming bois

[crude rock]

esy xd

[forest sentinel]

We solved it

Pure HF dream

[woven fox]

Damnnn gotta make a New Testament

[crude rock]

with out anny dmg boost to fire dmg with gear xd need to change that one out

[forest sentinel]

Bruuuh, an epic would prob be better xD

[crude rock]

jea one secc loking right now

[woven fox]

I will say tho luckily I can still see this ver being still good with unique I’m planning even with its -20% ms

[crude rock]

wich one i can look

[crude rock]

no dont have one you need the +9,4% magic shield i got one close to it but well

[woven fox]

In p sure there’s no rule we can’t post unique submissions so 1 mo

Crown Of Heresy

Helmet

• -30 - -50 Fire resistance
• +15% Burn Chance
• -20% MS
• -20% HP
• +3 lvl of Holy Fire
• 10% Phys to Fire Dmg

Others (may or may not add)

• 10% - 20% Fire Dmg

[crude rock]

would be atually less dmg

than what i am doing

[woven fox]

Would allow for going off crusader which imo has bad abilities and passives for this ver too

[crude rock]

125k dps just with holy fire

[woven fox]

Ye it would deff reduce it a bit but could add more possibilities

[kindred tapir]

Can you not pin the top msg for people?

[woven fox]

Sadly I can’t pin

[white lagoon]

+3 to holy fire would only honestly be good if they change how holy fire works and how it scales off of points

which idk if they gonna do yet

the rest tho besides burn chance is giga rough

[woven fox]

I could ask tbh this is only post with +2 k posts lmao

[crude rock]

iam at 12/8

[woven fox]

Ye sorta trying to make it rough in exchange for getting off crusader but if we add fire dmg for less surv could be fine

Also idk if there are any rly good helmets uniques for fire based builds too

[crude rock]

well nearly 200k with out support gems now xd

[crude rock]

there are my last fire build was at 160k dps with support gems

[woven fox]

Maybe I could convince mahj to add fire dmg part in too lol

[kindred tapir]

[crude rock]

truce be told not relly needed to have burn chance in it

[woven fox]

Tbh prob but I wanted that in for name and theme of item

[crude rock]

like alredy at 77%

but the minus fire res is a now go for me and the - ms so i would use it its relly less of everythign what i would need

[woven fox]

Ye - fire res might be a bit too high for when u get lvl100 too -150 res total

[forest sentinel]

10% phys to fire is probably to weak to be used, even if we can move of crusader

[woven fox]

Maybe I do have quite a bit of time tho bc I don’t think this item is gonna come out on 1.10

If I could add take more self dmg and remove some of the negatives could be interesting too

[crude rock]

no its good

[ripe hedge]

I love that your going all in on experimenting with all the things I've also tested or theory crafted. 😄

[woven fox]

Just gotta remember ninja is playing with the broken cloak

[crude rock]

What you mean?

Oh wait

[woven fox]

He p much make a 1-1 cloak of flames unique for his game

[ripe hedge]

Wow... op

[white lagoon]

ye i was more interested in trying the hp stacking approach before lvl 100... which wasnt working great even in regards to being more tanky which its what that build is good at

[crude rock]

Not relly i now of a buold where i do 1,2m with out support gems (cannot have thies even in it

[crude rock]

I am doing the same way just for magic shield and using some other stuff too

I use the same technique from a other element build and copy it over and did some changes and it works great tommorow i will loke into support gems well see where i end up (sadly frostnova i cannot use for now did not had luck with it)

[ripe hedge]

I mean just in general that jewel is op, not really saying HF. Also ya I've seen builds doing 2.5m still with room to grow.

[crude rock]

I did not used dex with 900+ and no totem build

I dod not seen other once besides the metas and one not meta

[ripe hedge]

There is but normally the QoL isn't there.

[crude rock]

I am open to get a on and to see the builds still loking for the right one for me what i have fun with

[ripe hedge]

Ya I want to figure out a Zap build i think it can be really op, but waiting for next update to play again.

[white lagoon]

Do we know more or less when next update will be?

[crude rock]

It was ok but not relly annu more

[crude rock]

No

[kindred tapir]

[ripe hedge]

No clue I've been wondering about that. Seems like some people know everything about it but never seen a mention of when.

[white lagoon]

Ait, then we torture the answers out of them

[crude rock]

It never gets mentioned from admins just you now if youre activ whats chanching and whats not chane

[woven fox]

I will say when I commissioned the item mahj said it might not be added in next update

And knowing how easily u can make items

[white lagoon]

Might mean update is soon cuz he wouldnt have time to add. Or he just has a bunch of other shit to do

Which he does

[crude rock]

Beacse to much pepoll commisoned unic items i now of a few too

[crude rock]

Both the list is always long what he needs to fix and stuff

[woven fox]

There was also v little discussing on how to balance the item he even said to buff it from +1 to 3 and add phys to fire part

[white lagoon]

Which does hint into holy fire having some changes to scaling

[crude rock]

Right now for me it looks unbalanced

[woven fox]

Still imo prob not that long I would say within a month at least

Maybe we should have a cult meeting on how to change it to be semi balanced but good lmao

[ripe hedge]

We can atleast say its easy to make items that use existing stats, new stats/mechanics likely need time to be coded and tested.

[woven fox]

Tbh I mainly built it in mind of points and balancing it from pos to neg

[crude rock]

Dont pressur mahji about stuff like that he can just say well (youre banned now xd

[ripe hedge]

Someone said hf was getting nerfed i heard

[white lagoon]

[crude rock]

Is to much neg to be usfull its like a dead unic i think

[ripe hedge]

Im not pressuring anything wdym?

[white lagoon]

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[crude rock]

Who its not relly that good

[woven fox]

I haven’t looked at logs much but pray we don’t get debuffed lmao

[white lagoon]

Bruh if it gets nerfed im rioting, look at other builds and tell me hf needs a nerf

[ripe hedge]

Also heard battery support was getting nerfed

[white lagoon]

ok thats reasonable

[kindred tapir]

Without spoiling anything cus idk what i can talk about I know HF is being touched

[woven fox]

Ye battery is reasonable

[crude rock]

So magic shield builds get nerfed dead good to now if that one gets nerfed

[white lagoon]

hf doesnt want to get touched unless its in a good way, CONSENT IS IMPORTANT

[kindred tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

[woven fox]

Cult revolt lmao?

[white lagoon]

CULT REVOLUTION!!!

[ripe hedge]

I mean I can only assume its getting changed so like a buff and nerf that the person interpreted as only a nerf. But ya again i know nothing xd

[white lagoon]

WE RIOT AGAINST THE OPPRESSOR MAHJ!

https://tenor.com/view/simpso-riot-gif-4545300067745410584

tho, if they nerf the hp scaling a bit but give 3 more support gems, thats honestly decent

sorta

[ripe hedge]

Ya unless we get some method of MS sustain, battery nerf hurts MS HF pretty bad. It's like the main advantage.

[woven fox]

If we get more slots then if fine for nerf

[crude rock]

Only advantage

[woven fox]

Tbh I rly should look at logs lmao

[crude rock]

On anny ms build

[kindred tapir]

Ohya i was thinking. I talked to someone and they said most likely we wont get like general skill discussion threads but i was wondering if we could do like a zero to hero HF thread that talks about like early game, mid game, late game and different versions and everyone could be in charge of like a different part. Idk it sounds cool but may be alot of work and coordination. If it sounds interesting to anyone though im down

[ripe hedge]

I mean also you can scale MS way higher than HP.

[woven fox]

Tbh a skill thread would be good in general

[crude rock]

I do the endgame stuff alredy have the gear

[white lagoon]

sounds interesting, just a google doc, tho if stuff is getting changed soon its probs best we wait for update

[crude rock]

Nop hp can skale way hiher

[kindred tapir]

Agreed, would need to work out like who talks about what and what to add and all that jazz also

[crude rock]

Since we have a unig STR to hp +

[white lagoon]

aw heeeell naw u can scale ms to like 40 thousand i saw

[crude rock]

Hp too

[ripe hedge]

You have a build with 40-60k HP?

[white lagoon]

i never seen hp that high in my life ngl

[woven fox]

Same highest I’ve seen is maybe 30k

[crude rock]

No hust now of other once who now of stuff like that but i

[white lagoon]

30k? holy i need that

[ripe hedge]

You can scale MS to 35-40k with honestly pretty mid gear

[crude rock]

Ms hihgest i now of is 33k

[woven fox]

Thas from long ago tho during b4 1.0 or launch

[crude rock]

Ther was no chant to it

[forest sentinel]

Giga chad

[woven fox]

Man I’ve just thought of a funny thing that’s prob a lotta work but would be funny we could get a doriyani’s prototype type item to work

[forest sentinel]

Id like a 100% cold conversion for HF

Would be awesome going lich with it

[woven fox]

lol make a small set of uniques that just convert all elemental dmg into a diff type of dmg

[white lagoon]

Poison hf? Fallen crusader?

[forest sentinel]

Cold specificly for Lich acendancy, looks like a rly dope build+cold uniques are pretty nice

[ripe hedge]

I want Holy Spark to hit every 0.5s and scale with max mana, with or without self damage don't care one way or another.

[forest sentinel]

Well, just change it

You got the power

If you play singleplayer xD

[ripe hedge]

no 🙂

I don't think i will

[lean night]

https://i.imgur.com/eHpv1GB.mp4

went into single player to try to find out what weapon is best

( no infusions or anything ofc )

https://i.imgur.com/lmBJkqb.png

this seems to beat out divinarius SLIGHTLY in my testing

only 2 mods that matter really are flat crit chance and the heal strength one

using orbs of fledgling reprieve & orbs of relief, if you get ANY flat crit then it's easy to get up to 4%+

there is more damage to be gained by going squishier i think, and obv with jewelry infusions n stuff

[crude rock]

Jea thats tru do you use a crit build for it and wich talant tree do you have i get 200k+ with out suport gems in buffs and with out frost nova

[ripe hedge]

wouldn't if you had other sources of flat crit chance like from jewels

also better crit damage for fatter impact of more crit damage would be good too but not as important as chance. That kind of loses its value once you hit crit damage cap(400%)

[lean night]

yea that's fair my jewels are complete trash =/

[lean night]

is crit cap 400% or 500%?

[crude rock]

500

[crude rock]

What talant tree did you use? On the 600k build?

[lean night]

just shield n crit

[crude rock]

Ah ok

[lean night]

lemme log in and i take screenshot

with better jewels n gear, standing still on boss using mage circle u can easily get over 1mdps

im using runeword helm n shit cuz i didn't want to sit there rolling GG gear in single player lol

plus im not using int elixir or anything like that

im sure u can hit 1.5m dps with GG gear and elixirs up

[crude rock]

Thx

[crude rock]

I use runword helm and boots for 4 aura to have all regen and stuff juts from one jewel like boy is my jewel good for it

Like just need better stats on it xd

And alredy relly good

[lean night]

oh yea with one of those u could probably 2m or more dps lol... but those aren't on public so i didn't want to use crap like that

[crude rock]

Tru i am in sp so make sense

[lean night]

the jewels im using in the thing i made are absolute garbage...

https://i.imgur.com/vTJfsNv.mp4

like half of them don't even have useful stats lol

was just testing stuff 🤷

https://i.imgur.com/symwVGN.png definitely a lot of room for improvement, i think the INT nodes + more ES nodes > that the fire damage tbh

anyway this my tree

[crude rock]

I dont have a a singel crit one

[lean night]

time to get some

i have a really good one on public server

🙂

[crude rock]

Tru

[crude rock]

Deam nice i have a magic shield codex with 20%

[lean night]

in that video i used an uncommon codex

power charge 1st line

more fire damage 2nd line

[crude rock]

We have nearly the same talante tree i just have benn focusing kore onto sommons beacse i toke it iver from cold

[crude rock]

Jea i dont have than ine i have a legendary one with item find

[lean night]

🤷 yea i didn't even use the golems in the video

[crude rock]

Same kinda lame but for shield sustain good

[lean night]

https://i.imgur.com/ZLThdle.mp4

[crude rock]

Since the magma orb have magic shield leech on them

[lean night]

if u moving from ice build, gear is basically the exact same

just as much es as u can, written word, heavenly tear runeword amulet

[crude rock]

Jea i have the same

[crude rock]

That the o ly stuff i used and have a runed word jewel and a unic cold ring with 12,3 magic shield on ot

It

[lean night]

honestly can drop safeguard for 4 more ice golem points

didn't mean to leave those points in there lol

[crude rock]

I did made the same mistake lol xd

[crude rock]

Wait where did you got the last 2 passiv got somthig change i only missig 2 and hav all passiv checkmarkt in wuest book

[lean night]

hmm if i have too many then remove them from burn damage, it doesn't really matter / help

i just followed what someone said to do for instant leveling level 100 character

honestly maybe removing them all from burn damage and putting into cast speed might be more dmg anyway if ur self casting ice nova 🤷

or if u wanted to mess around with like lvl 1 fireball for spamming to keep overheat up

which is another way for more damage, but obv i wanted to go with the more "automated" Style

[crude rock]

Steam cloud to keep it up

[lean night]

yea if it builds overheat then that'd work

unless ur running ubers, probably don't need that amount of dps but more is always better 😈

also dropping all the fire nodes, but taking more ES nodes ( like at the witch start and in the wheel ) is BARELY a dps loss, but good EHP gain

[crude rock]

I only have the upper nodes for fire dmg nothing more

[crude rock]

you did ad to much passiv points 2 to much

[lean night]

ah yea, then just drop burn damage

it hardly helps

[crude rock]

jea ore some resits

[lean night]

it's just unfortunately most passives for the crusader suck for the build so didn't have much else to choose from

[crude rock]

tru i have nerly the same beside not having cast speed just having golem spell chance in it

[viscid quartz]

yall came up with so many builds here im so confused idk what to follow

id like to try all of them dont have enough time tho

[kindred tapir]

Str/hp version is the easiest to start and build off of

[viscid quartz]

okay tysm

[bitter umbra]

how do i increase holy fire duration?

i dont like recasting every 30 seconds

[woven fox]

Sadly it’s not v efficient to put duration support on hf but next update should have qol for hf where it apparently will become a toggle

[bitter umbra]

Where can i find it in the config? Should be able to change there

[woven fox]

idk i havent looked thru config but u could increase duration if anything

[civic tree]

hello. I am playing on a private server with a friend, and I wanted to extend the duration of Holy Fire but could not find the skill in the Mod files. any help would be appreciated

[nimble ledge]

Any idea how to get the str armor? I keep getting magic shield stats armor. Idk is it my primary class (elementalist) affecting it or not

[prime hatch]

ok i tried this build but i maybe dont understand the main reason, what do u exactly need in order to not die from holy fire? Im also adapting and using dual wield scythe so it maybe something to do with an off hand or smthing like that? im not exactly sure since when i do maps and use holy fire i tend to die pretty often cuz the spell is doing way to much dmg to myself. Is it something to do with ascendacy? I went with chieftain and went skin of fire into spirit of fire and im making my way to fire drinker

[woven fox]

Generaly the base version of this build requires v minimal armor reqs but keeping resistances high are main things u should worry about

As for avoiding getting killed all u rly need early on is to craft jewelry that has base life regen (+life regen not %life regen) as blood nodes boost regen more than enough and as u get more max fire res up to over 80% u can start reducing need for regen and focus on unique gear

[forest sentinel]

Mmorpg_skill, is the file name if i remember

Been a while since i played now

There are a total of like 5 or 6 holy fire files only one of em has the duration stuff

[civic tree]

could not find "Mmorpg_skill" but found "Mmorpg_spells" but it had nothing on holy fire. but thank any way

[forest sentinel]

_spells 100% has holy fire in it

It's even the one that controlls duration

Area and particle effects

Thats inside mmorpg_spells

[civic tree]

I am so confused I cant se half of the spells

[forest sentinel]

are you in the zip file?

[civic tree]

in the MIne and slash Jar file

[forest sentinel]

Yeah, dont go there

It's in the mod pack location

go here first

Should say spells not spell*

In the search field

open the folder

And boom

DOne

[civic tree]

thank you so much

[forest sentinel]

np, gl with the changes 🙂

[nimble ledge]

What unique item is good for this build

Weapon gear and offhand

[bitter umbra]

new dawn unique, trolltimbre spire for chieftain

[violet cave]

Reading through all of this took a while.
Would it be possible to post like a full character here? like all items, support gems, etc. for an optimized version of the build?
There are so many fragments here, but nothing "complete"

I'm also very unsure what's good now as there are like 3 conversations here that barely or not at all interact with each other about chieftain and life, double staff full dmg or trickster with a magic shield version - all kinda considering them to be the best

Or is there like a google doc or something to look stuff up?

[crude rock]

Not so relly you need the endgame ore the midgame summoriced what you need to focus on?

[violet cave]

preferably both

[crude rock]

Mid go for ms shield on armore the higer the better on jewels for ms shield and ms regen and fire res max most stats on to int besides the requirements for gear (shield with + to heal str

[crude rock]

Mid go for ms shield on armore the higer the better on jewels for ms shield and ms regen and fire res max most stats on to int besides the requirements for gear (shield with + to heal str

End game still focus on that plus have frost nova infusion on boots the rest depens on youre reseistance go for int + on it and focus on crit jewels with ms and ms regen do notbfocus there on element dmg if you have 100% crit chance the rest gose into crit dmg and now boom you have a 1m+ dps set up ps you need a good chos jewel to work

Like thies one

Ms regen and mana regen and burn dmg

Into holey fire go for crit chance+ and crit dmg thats mostly summoriced what we build up me and the other guy wo did the endgame build brobebly should make a fully guide for it on the weekend

Thies one is good to to have

Fpr free stats for a shield for heal str to convert still focus on it in the endgame most dmg will be from holy fire and frost nova frost nova is you heal

[violet cave]

So what I'm missing from this -as per my initial post:

• This is the ms version, why not life anymore? (It suddenly shifted within this threat from life to ms talk, but no mention why or if it's superior, etc.)
• Talent Tree, Skill point allocation, support gems for each skill, actual gear/items, possible or mandatory uniques, which ascendancy and why (i assume trickster as per your prior posts, but no mention of that here), etc. are all missing

It's really hard to follow any of this if you are not part of the conversation and/or testing for weeks, even reading through those 2.6k messages here that are all over the place regarding Holy Fire

[crude rock]

Yes superior ms with the support to get more dmg the hiher ms you have

Give me a few min then i am home and can look into my chats regarding it

[forest sentinel]

Pretty simple, pure health is easier and recomended for early game, ms is harder but has quite alot higher dmg celing

[crude rock]

I think i meantiont it already in here som time where i shwiched to it and took over the endgame part

[forest sentinel]

[violet cave]

Yeah, but "somewhere in here" is really hard to dissect when there are almost 3000 messages in just this thread alone

[crude rock]

tru xd

well i make a guide now for it will take me a bit of time

since i shciwdet my build around to others

[royal pivot]

As a burn fighter lvl 60+ now, with the "Health regen build", I'm interested about the end game MS version and complete build

[crude rock]

will take me a few hours to make it

[crude rock]

welll i do it on the weeken since need to farm new gear (make new gear sry guys but jea

[crude rock]

tree

mandatory for end staff can replaced for a mythic one with heal str to skill dmg and jea better cure mine was from a other build well need to make a new one

the best you can get is right now around thies with food magic shield

[violet cave]

What about these Runewords? (of course on magic shield bases instead)

and this staff as a substitute (before you get the prophecy one)?

[violet cave]

crazy numbers, can you sustain this easily?
Also: What are your augments and support gems?

Thank you for the work!

[crude rock]

constant sustane is 36k with heart of ice 40k

[crude rock]

Just take the once for now in the guide above but replace one with the battery support ps not sure right now what i replaced

nut must have is hihe fire res

[violet cave]

Which guide? There is only the talent tree and 4 items?

Or did I miss something?

[crude rock]

and use the spells from relish

hes postet them in

[violet cave]

@crude rock Would you mind to just show your gear? Like all of the items, the augments and support gems and your skills/passives?

[crude rock]

Magic shield armor with gear defens on it some resistance on it too and need to make thies since i dont have currently annu

Anny

[violet cave]

• So just focussing on geardefence/magic shield?
• Any attributes I should stack as well or just res as suffixes?
• Any Runewords that would be good?
• What augments do you have?
• Which support gems do you use? (on all the skills)
• What does your skill point allocation look like and your passives?

[crude rock]

I am doing the guide on the weekend brobebly tomorrow sonce ther starts my weekend since i need to make armor and stuff

Ps go one youre ohone on discord you can look truth media in thies thread and there are a bunch of screenshots for the build

Seee

[ripe hedge]

-cough-

Vitality Augment now grants MORE Health and Magic Shield.

[forest sentinel]

Bit sad we didnt get more tree changes, tho the new orbs is mega huge for crafting atleast

[kindred tapir]

There was a few hits to overall regen though right?

[rotund hornet]

does the nerf to frost nova healing make it harder to outpace the self fire tick damage?

[ripe hedge]

ya new orbs are actually insane plus way more potential is nice as well

Tree changes would be really nice, a lot of skills feel like all they need to work is a good tree but are sadly under supported on the tree

[ripe hedge]

Ya Chieftain is probably the only way to build HF reliably now without giga endgame gear

[deft osprey]

I think even with giga end game gear holy fire is best used in chieftain. It saves gear reqs for ALL res (but chaos)
Chaos is easily capped with like 2 Glorious gems + some runed gear.

[lean night]

figured i'd try non-crit out on my trickster after patch and it seems pretty decent... LOTS of room for improvement (half my gear isn't even infused or quality)
obv not as much damage as crit but wayyyyyy tankier, and still enough damage to be a walking/looting simulator in mythic maps (well i press some buttons still but not really looking at where i'm shooting them, just keeping a couple buffs up)

lol obnoxious effects everywhere ( trying armageddon to suppliment damage / provide overheat ) but here is a boss kill

https://i.imgur.com/lkot6d0.mp4

in that map

damage is meh but it's comfy cozy on trickster for sure

[deft osprey]

can u try it on map clear. Do a T100 map if u can please. Time yourself and give feedback please.

[lean night]

yea i think they removed the like clear % but i'll do my best

rolling the T100 mapo will be the worst part 😩

it's really just skill dependent/layout dependent on how fast u clear

i just walk into every room and loot chest, nothing lives

51% dodge chance and "panic button" heart of ice = you can just walk into the thickest pack of bullshit with no fear

wish holy fire got the "infinite duration toggle" treatment tho 🙁

[lean night]

https://i.imgur.com/XSG85nQ.png

this map Ok? i feel like it's probably the worst map you should (n)ever run 😛

can test it for science tho 🙂

https://i.imgur.com/xS9MNk6.jpeg

nvm... rip

OK DONE

@deft osprey i did the damn sewer map, awful mods, with prophecy, and did the harvest inside with twinned boss

took me about 12 minutes

[deft osprey]

it did....

U can't get below 25% nrg shield

which since u get hit, you'll deactivate it every so often

tthegoal is to be above 50% 24/7 which is why ppl r trying to make a 50/50 build

[deft osprey]

12 min clear on cancer map, prob good. I think we did it in 4.5 mins on arrow totem in 1.0. The goal of Holy fire is to only click 1 button (that being W)

U can bind a skill to your W key, so activating that + perm holy fire is then END GAME goal. So we're trying to get to that point.
The build forum was on holy fire spammer, but u need to click a couple of buttons.

Atleast that's what i was trying to cook up when I first brought it up in build discussion

[lean night]

basically i summon the golems + turn on all buffs, and then just walk around and cast armageddon to get the overheat stacks, i've played a few builds i think i'd say are "better" but this one i can just walk into a room and loot the chest and walk out without thinking about what mobs are in there

like all the top rooms in the sewer, i climbed ladder, looted chest, and climbed down and the mythic mob up there was dead

didn't have to cast anything extra, or drop my mage circle, or any of that jazz

definitely not as good of a bosser as my basic attack build tho

but i don't know if there are many builds that are better bossers 😛

[rotund hornet]

is there a keybind to banish summons these guys are pissing me off i dont have the mana regen yet to let them hit whatever they want

ive been trying this build out as a relatively new player i think i finally reached a point early game where i can SORT of use holy fire

[ripe hedge]

Theres a button to unspawn minions i want to say its delete key by default but you might need to check your keybinds

[rotund hornet]

thanks !

omg it works im killing so many ice golems

[lean night]

https://i.imgur.com/M1gCuYT.png

[deft osprey]

Mine is infinite

Weird

[lean night]

wtf? that's super weird

public server?

[deft osprey]

Yep

I play on Wraeclast

[lean night]

🤷

who knows

this patch is borked as hell anyway, mapping is trashed and can't make uber maps for farming watchers eyes so i guess i'll come back in another few months for next patch

🫡 gl gamers

[deft osprey]

Next hot fix, fixes maps.
Uber should also b fixed

[rotund hornet]

Does anyone have tips on how to sustain the self damage around like lv 50 or like what's skill/passive order? im also a little confused why heal strength is important if stare of the abyss sets my hp to like 50 anyways, does heal str also affect magic shield regen?

[royal pivot]

Focus fire resist

[woven fox]

Heal strength dosent effect regen sadly only abilities that can heal so not v useful for the hp version of build but it can boost dmg with one of the nodes and is slightly better if u go for int and ms version

But also at lvl 50 u should have at least 80% max fire res

[rotund hornet]

is there a difference between max resistance and regular resistance

i dont think i have any max resistances it just says i have regular elemental resistances and under it all my maxes are 0

[rotund hornet]

ahhhhh nvm i think i figured it out

[neon sundial]

is there a resumed version of this guide ???'

to much messages here

[woven fox]

I haven’t seen how much regen has changed ease of build from latest update but if u follow the main guide its mostly up to date on the most efficent nodes and areas for the hp version (if u want tree beyond lvl75 there are plenty of nodes around extisting tree that u can take and will boost dmg / survival)

[neon sundial]

that is not the problem

its the sheer amount of information just spread around

a clean slate of the guide is what i was asking for

[woven fox]

Lmao yea tho dw too much about dialogue but there is just mostly build discussion based on when I first uploaded this build (lvl25 ish up till 75) and improvements everyone found there is also talk at the v end on a endgame version thats ms based

If anyone wants to make a separate one that has much more detail than mines feel free but it’s deff gonna take a while

[neon sundial]

indeed

how do i go to the top ?

[copper cloak]

check the pin

[jagged harness]

1

[rapid yew]

it work 1.1.1?

[deft osprey]

Yeah, the person who talked a little while back used it on 1.1.1. Scroll up a little bit,

[jagged harness]

this build fun

[deft osprey]

This build is probably one of the only “easy” builds to hit enough dps for it to do mythic+ maps

Mythic+ = Ubers / t100

[copper cloak]

iss there guide for ms build of this skill?

[neon sundial]

cant do even rares

dont know what im doing wrong

[forest sentinel]

The baseline health build is very simple, get a ton of hp/regen+fire res cap

[tiny scaffold]

I feel like I’m lost on how to increase my resistances, I’m struggling to find new armor, craft souls I guess?

[civic tree]

all you want o look for in gear

1 fire resistance
2 health
3 health regen

after you unlock your ascendency you get half of your fire resistance as cold and lightning

• and apply the plate modifier to gear soul to get a higher chance of getting life

[tiny scaffold]

Oh nice

What level do I get ascendency?

[civic tree]

there is the ascendancy tap in the quest book the shows where to get each ascendancy

[tiny scaffold]

ahh i see \

thanks

for when i di get the points

what do i takle first

wait

i get 3 ppoints from the first quest

[civic tree]

fist you want the left top rout

1 half fire resistance as other elemental resistance

2 maximum fire resistance as maximum other elemental resistances

[tiny scaffold]

got it thanks

[ripe hedge]

@woven fox

New Patreon-designed Unique Chainmail Helmet: Crown of Heresy! This item was designed by ErinExDeus. This helmet is the first item to have the max magic shield per second stat found on Heart of Ice and Ghost Shroud. It gives bonuses to Holy Fire and magic shield, but reduces health and fire resistance!
You madlad

Is it time to LOGIN? Jking im too busy playing PoE

[woven fox]

Lmao ye it has been made tho im also p busy rn sadly

[deft osprey]

This game doesn’t have Path of building, so it’s actually MORE nerdy than POE

[woven fox]

Will say tho it’s v nice for mid es builds too not just holy fire

[ripe hedge]

it kind of does 😛

[deft osprey]

Wym?!?

[ripe hedge]

theres the tree planner at least

no gear tho

[deft osprey]

Yea, not calculations where everything updates the numbers on how much dmg you’ll have

[woven fox]

Not super in depth but it has basic things

[ripe hedge]

Its enough imo

[deft osprey]

Making a spreadsheet to remember all the dmg calcs from my builds is more fun than plugging into POB

[ripe hedge]

That being said if someone can, it would be nice to see the values of the item from the in-game hud idk what its called legit forever everything about a game if im not playing it.

[woven fox]

Also here’s a pic of the unique during the making of it tho is a lil different in newest ver

[ripe hedge]

As a spreadsheet enjoyer i've been there

[ripe hedge]

epic leak i like it

[woven fox]

If I do come back tho I’m deff making es ver of this build

[ripe hedge]

omg AND health regen to MS regen you mad lad!

Holy

ima bouta bust 🫠

[deft osprey]

There’s not point in stacking it over simply stacking ES / EVA

[woven fox]

Do be warned it has a curse on it as well

Tho u can negate with jewel later on

[ripe hedge]

gimme 3 curses idc

[ripe hedge]

There is a point...

[woven fox]

Tbh was tempted to say a chance to roll 1-3 curses on it

[deft osprey]

Actually blood mage / ES stacking could b somewhat decent as there’s literally a gear that uses both

So you’d still be using blood, but energy shield as well to scale dmg

And hp regen = ES regen then

Hp regen ALSO = blood regen

[ripe hedge]

Flat health regen is accessible while MS regen is not, so you can use it to disproportionally get more % MS than just scaling more MS but staying at the 2% MS regen

[woven fox]

Ye deff tho if u go es it’s also on the opposite side so maybe worth but idk yet

[ripe hedge]

I don't remember how much % health is the holy fire degen?

33% per half second?

If yes, then even at 90% fire res you still can't fully mitigate the self dmg 6.6%/second vs 2%, and afaik you won't be able to scale that 2% higher since theres no % increased MS regen iirc