Lvl 75-? Holy Fire Spell Spammer 1.0.6

[woven fox]

Classes

Crusader / Elementalist

Spell Cycle

{ Safeguard > Golems [x1-x3] > Holy Fire } > [Hold] Steam cloud [∞] > Fire ball [As needed] > Mage circle [As needed]

Skills

HOLY FIRE - 8/8
[Any damage support (Fire, Magic) or util. support (Area, Penetration)]

STEAM CLOUD - 16/16
[✦Conservation, Burn Chance support, Any damage support (Fire, Magic) or util. support (Area, Duration, Penetration)]

★FIRE BALL ☆/16
[✦Conservation, Any damage support (Fire, Magic) or utility support (Cast Speed, CD, Projectiles)]

SUMMON FIRE GOLEM 7+/16
[✦Conservation, Fortify Support, Endurance Charge on Hit, Power Charge (can add crit % and Frenzy Charge)]

•MAGMA ORB ☆/16
[Burn Chance, Any Damage support (Magic, Fire) or Any utility Support (crit%, Power Charge, Frenzy)]

SAFE GUARD 4/4
[Duration]

MAGE CIRCLE ☆/16
[Duration,Area,CD]

☆ - || Up to you, However many u want||
★ - ||Used to generate OVERHEAT interchangeable as u wish||
✦ - ||Used early on or if you have mana sustain issues||
• - ||only recommend if you have enough mana to sustain or if you want to pivot to a less spell spammy version||

Passives

★ Health Regen 8/8
• Magic Shield Regen 8/8
Health 8/8
Burn Damage ☆/8
★ Burn Chance ☆/8
Elemental Resistance ☆/8
Spell Damage ☆/8

☆ - || Up to you and what u feel would increase your survivability or damage||
★ - || these are the main passives you should always keep maxed ||
• - ||Only taken early if you get ||

Attributes & Gear

ATTRIBUTES
Focus Strength and use rest as needed for equipment

ARMOR
STR BASE (STR & DEX works as well)
[HP Regen > HP > Fire Dmg > Fire Res > Chaos Res]

WEAPON
Any Mage Weapon type [Anything that can increase Fire Dmg or that increases Resistances]

OFFHAND
Shield & Tome (Try to get physical resistance on roll)

JEWELRY
HP Regen > Resistances (physical , Fire) > Damage (Fire,Elemental) > Strength > HP

Augments

Fire Damage Augment
+More Fire Damage

Health Regen Augment
+Health Regen

Flame Barrier Augment
+Fire Resistance
+Max Fire Resistance

Decree Of Fire Augment
+Fire Damage
+Burn Chance

** Ascendency**

Chieftain

• Skin Of Fire
• Spirit Of Fire
• The Torch
• Fire Drinker

Game Changer Nodes (Talent Tree Progression)

v v v (gonna fin later heres tree tho)
#1398905178236780594 message

[knotty dragon]

Would you say Jade Tan Do is a solid choice for this build or is there a different unique that would benefit more?

[uncut harbor]

Welcome back Righteous Fire!

[white lagoon]

Have you messed around with dual wielding staffs? Its something i was trying out but i went for an immolation steam cloud setup and was lacking dmg.

[hybrid token]

Isn't that a poison dagger

Shouldn't be using that on a fire build

[woven fox]

For chaos resist it’s deff solid

[woven fox]

I haven’t tried dual wielding as I’ve sorta treated this as a tank build but steam cloud can easily in later game do more dmg than holy fire

I should probably also add this build isnt built to go 100% into damage or to min max rather as of right now being very flexible with gear you find

[ripe hedge]

p sure losing stats from offhand isn't worth it

You're using a lot of the same tech im using, I like it. Bold going hybrid but ig it makes sense since you're going chieftain. Do you know if the 2% health regen with Witch's Brew gives 1.2% MS regen or does it just add to your health regen that you would then get 60% of the total health regen value as MS regen?

[woven fox]

From what I can tell chieftain seems to regen using total hp regen at end calculation

Also it’s sorta ment to be semi hybrid and u only use es to supplement total regen, with all the multipliers to regen any base regen goes a long way

I would say tho this is sorta a base to build off of as I also have no idea how high dps u can get with holy fire atm as I haven’t stacked hp yet

[ripe hedge]

Where are you at HP wise atm? Oh... 3k i see

Ya you're probably doing less dmg with Holy fire but have a lot of other things going on to augment your dmg more. As someone who loves minion builds i like the use of them for utility, i'll probably end up doing this as well since i will end up with spare skill points that i didn't know what to do with.

[woven fox]

yea atm current stats and from last i checked i do avg about 10k dps

[ripe hedge]

Is that just holy fire or everything?

[woven fox]

with everything

[ripe hedge]

Do you know how much is Holy fire?

[woven fox]

1 sec

looks to be around 2.5 k and with over heat 5 k

[ripe hedge]

Last i checked i was at 4.2-4.5k from just Holy fire, but i gained like 1k MS since i last checked

so not sure where that would put me

[woven fox]

mmm ic and what sub class did u go?

[ripe hedge]

I'm same as you

But Arcanist instead

Elementalist seems too good as secondary ngl

[woven fox]

ic and are u goin blood bc it deff dosent seem arcanist and blood mix well

[ripe hedge]

Not blood, I started stacking mana and getting mana regen for some synergy with mana battery and int value seems op

Once i get my merc ascendancy i will put into Unlimited mana for mana regen

[woven fox]

mmm thought so tbh with mana i wouldnt dbout it would scale easier as i see quite a bit of mana gear too

[ripe hedge]

"i wouldnt dbout"?

[woven fox]

tho how spammable are the spells atm

i havent tested pure mana as i went for blood imidiately

[ripe hedge]

I never have mana issues since mana battery stops at 50% mana

[woven fox]

how much is ur avg mana regen? or dun member

[white lagoon]

well yeh i was thinking about dual wielding uniques specifically (double flame of new dawn), other than that probs not worth it besides for the extra weapon dmg for steam cloud scaling

[ripe hedge]

i don't remember

Probably around 200? maybe a bit less

Only had 800-900 max mana, since i hadn't started focusing it yet.

[woven fox]

oh that seems v close to regen atm im seeing with only chieftan

[ripe hedge]

Ik there was A LOT of room for improvement

[woven fox]

yea lmao L for rng

sofar my build has 0 uniques that are for this build that ive found

only one is this (barely) and jade do just for chaos res

[ripe hedge]

I actually forgot i had this that i was going to give a shot

flat ms regen should go hard

I had enough resist from other gear i didn't one of my rings

I am already using mana battery 😛

[woven fox]

wrong ability i forget what it was called

[ripe hedge]

the magic shield regen?

[woven fox]

*support

[ripe hedge]

battery support?

[woven fox]

ah ye that

[ripe hedge]

ya i was going to swap to it when my MS got higher

that was the plan

I think Battery + MS stacking for holy fire is goated

Was the inspiration for the build in the first place

Get flat dmg from your MS, and then that same MS you get % to scale it

The main issue is sustain, the higher MS you get the more regen you need lol

[woven fox]

also idk if mage blade would work too idk if it is flat dam or just melee

[ripe hedge]

I actually think all my sustain problems will be solved by trying to hit 90% max fire res

But thats an uphill battle

[woven fox]

would deff hope so

[ripe hedge]

This is a thing too

[woven fox]

reminds me this was so lucky but this was the first codex i got

[ripe hedge]

Got a lot of higher level uniques before that bug was fixed

My first summoner build hit magic find cap 😛

[woven fox]

imo main one is deff the boots they seem the bis for us

[ripe hedge]

friend got this and i build around it

[woven fox]

i think theres one in pateron server shop but its lvl 100

[ripe hedge]

thats insane

[woven fox]

lmao i got same thing im also uing when im not fighting chaos mobs

[white lagoon]

elemental aegis might be bad, with unique pendant, leggins runeword, flame barrier and a codex for max fire res ull probs already be at 90% for everything

[woven fox]

ye and ive alrdy got 82% with no correct uniques so should be soon

[ripe hedge]

Would be nice, but im hard stuck on a bugged end dragon gating all my progression

Could still level but missing a chunk of power from my merc ascendancy

[white lagoon]

did any1 get a kaoms heart yet btw? that honestly might be the biggest dps boost for holy fire

[ripe hedge]

Could farm maps tbh (got dragon heads from something don't remember)
Felt like it was slower exp than just spamming gateways though

[woven fox]

imo maps deff seem faster esp if u make a bit of xp food at lvl 60 atm and every time i went in it gave me a lvl or almost 2

that and gateways deplete my stones too much as im trying to lvl everything lmao

[white lagoon]

hmmm from what im seeing, in terms of offhands we are starving a bit for holy fire builds

trolltimber spire ig would be best in slot for uniques, mby ancients pledge runeword tome might be better (whichever was the offhand that gave magic shield)

[ripe hedge]

Maybe i should make some xp food haven't even considered that

[ripe hedge]

lemme check

Ya ngl unique offhands look terrible lol
The only one that stands out to me is the arcane ward to do what i was talking about, but theirs the less dmg downside which is probs too big to really be worth it unless you value sustain over dps

Bunch of generic options, but nothing that really stands out.

Maybe safeguard?

positive effect strength? oh nvm its - on you

[white lagoon]

in all honesty, i think that if we already got enough survivablity at 100, dual wielding isnt looking as bad. But needs to be tested

cuz offhands look bad, two handers also dont look great

scythes are just not the build

[ripe hedge]

nah... mythic or runed offhand still better

you lose too much flat health/MS

[white lagoon]

u sure? cuz theres so many wasted stats even for runed

[ripe hedge]

Depends if you are health or MS

[white lagoon]

well ig for the flat health and ms side

[ripe hedge]

i think MS you go runed, Health you'd go mythic

Cause tomes give MS so runewords can scale that quite well but theres no base health on offhands so you'd use a mythic with good health + w/e else you want

I want to look at possibility of going Warlock as secondary at some point, cause i think theres a lot of value in Curse of Weakness + Access to "+#% damage to cursed enemies" stats

But outside of that there isn't much else lol

[white lagoon]

warlock might be rly good as well yes. There might also be a holy fire totem hybrid build with crusader shaman. Smthing like power surge, lighting warp, magma totem for the elemental resistance debuff on enemies. And then go crit holy fire

mby with immolation actually might shred

[ripe hedge]

Ya crit is another possibility, anything that lets you scale a high base value more, but hard when you already have to invest in hp or ms AND the respective regen

[white lagoon]

yeah ud probs have to sacrifice hp and ms

for holy fire, with 90% fire res the self dmg goes down to a 3.3%. With magic hits health leech/magic shield leech u can probs transition to 0 regen

that way crit would basically be extra regen

[ripe hedge]

I don't think you can crit yourself tho

[white lagoon]

yeah you cant crit urself fortunately

what i was basically saying is that the self dmg from holy fire goes down to a total of 3.3% with 90% fire res. which means that with the chieftain perk of 2% hp regen u only basically gotta regen for that 1.3% to go even. This should in theory be easy to do with a crit setup if u have health shield leech or magic shield leech. So u could basically sacrifice health regen/magic shield regen completely if u dont get blown up for not having it

actually after thinking a bit immolation would be dog, just straight holy fire

[woven fox]

TIME TO OPEN THE FRANCHISE

[kind crescent]

How much damage did you get?

[quick bramble]

i'm following this build loosely and i'm getting 60k dps on a dummy without magic circle at level 70

as for res currently

[woven fox]

daum 60k dps is crazy high but if you are folowing guide exactly at lvl 55 with no damage based gear u should get avg 10k but ive also slightly changed build to go for more damage recently so rn im avg about 17k at lvl 63

[quick bramble]

i'm sacrificing at least half of the regen for a bunch of dps related things

[woven fox]

yea im sorta planning to to the same at near 90% res regen becomes a lot less of a issue

so 1k regen is deff overkill

[quick bramble]

need to stack more hp when you do higher rarity maps i think

[woven fox]

yea thats what is sorta seems tho im rn trying to find as many ele nodes for steam as it is bout 1/2 my damage too

[quick bramble]

yeah i think steam alone gives me 20-25k dps

[woven fox]

also no longer goin crit dam and now goin flat with steady hand and overload

[quick bramble]

yeah i've tried going into crit but i've always done like 25% more dps just doing flat dmg

[woven fox]

ye was testing a hr ago and that number sounds bout right

[quick bramble]

what weapon are you using right now

[woven fox]

nothing that boosts fire dam just loot

tbh all my gear are p much not uniques

[quick bramble]

i'm using a few uniques

mostly just jewelry and my staff

using this for the damage over time and the tiny 5.4% skill damage buff lol

[woven fox]

im also guessing ur goin with mana based build as well?

[quick bramble]

nah

idk what's better

[woven fox]

ye tbh idk ether but all ik is blood reqs investment into less stats and allows for easy regen

[quick bramble]

i have an issue when bossing and that's running out of blood

[woven fox]

mana seems to have more damage supports tho

lol ye overheat can deff hurt regen

[quick bramble]

what necklace are you using

just a runed one?

[woven fox]

yeap p much most of my gear is rn focused on regen which i gotta swap out

[quick bramble]

i probably won't be getting an upgrade for awhile

[woven fox]

lmao if only our server had that in the player store

tho also tbh that bis for rf

[quick bramble]

really?

that's good to hear

[woven fox]

at least probably

only other one i can think of was a stat stacking one

[quick bramble]

(i dont have it just linking it for context)

[woven fox]

yea im p sure that would be the other one that would be great for rf esp if u were goin for a mana version instead of blood

[quick bramble]

i would try going for mana but i really only have 1 piece of my gear helping lol

[woven fox]

yea only reason i went blood was bc its much easier finding gear u want p much

[quick bramble]

and its only 3.3% mana

[woven fox]

with all the mana regen benefits without goin into annother accendency

also small update now with 25k dps just with node changes

[white lagoon]

Ye fo sho that unique is best in slot. Only thing u can hope to improve are the rolls and corruption

[quick bramble]

probably infusion also but it bricked on that part

[ripe hedge]

eww disgusting

[woven fox]

Damn I can’t even look at it

At least add a spoiler filter on it

[quick bramble]

at level 80

[ripe fable]

can you show your tree

[ripe fable]

ty

[woven fox]

U could prob even grab ele overload and boost dam by 25% as well

[ripe fable]

yeah i pathed down to that and aoe atm

[woven fox]

Sofar I haven’t seen too much need for aoe with steam cloud and gear

Damage is deff the way later game at least if u wanna do mythic maps

Irc steam cloud max stacks gives 23% inc aoe

[ripe fable]

2.6% per oh nice

yeah youre right i just specced into this so testing stuff

[woven fox]

Also lmao gotta hate that green one so hard to get more than 1 proc

[quick bramble]

the charge?

[woven fox]

Yea

[quick bramble]

7% chance on crit

[woven fox]

So low compared to rest

[quick bramble]

need a on hit one instead of crit idk if it exists though

[woven fox]

Sadly I think only other way to boost getting more passives is via uniques

Tbh I am also wondering if there’s a assendency that gives more charges easy could help boost dmg even more possibly gotta look later

[quick bramble]

using this for an extra augment slot

[woven fox]

Sofar I haven’t seen too many reasons to get more aug cap

[quick bramble]

ele overload, 20k dps increase gg

[woven fox]

What do u have slotted? Other than classic ones

Lmao ez

[woven fox]

Mmm ic ic that deff makes sense

Tbh was doing limited testing and ms deff feels like it has to go later on (after 55)

[quick bramble]

gota better infusion on staff also

unfortunately it was 8/10 when i got it to common

[woven fox]

Lamo hot I prob should get infusing lvls tho

[quick bramble]

to the mines

[quick bramble]

not sure what to spec remaining skill points into

[woven fox]

this area has p good dmg and defensive nodes

[uncut harbor]

is this one good

[uncut harbor]

are burn nodes worth getting?

holy fire doesnt count as burn/dot damage

[kind crescent]

oh my god~

[royal pivot]

Hello, I'm lvl35 nd I'm starting to prepare to switch build for Holy Fire. How many HR/MS I need to sustain holy fire ? Possible to switch at lvl35 or I should wait ?

[ripe hedge]

Could get burn chance and use holy immolation no clue if its worth tho

[white lagoon]

holy immolation is a dps down afaik. Its better to get burn chance and just keep it as is cuz holy fire burn procs do a fuckton

the holy immolation 95% dmg reduction on burn dots just seems not worth it. Its good for when u have abunch of small burn procs and need the aoe

[ripe hedge]

Ya most likely but that depends on how much you actually invest in burn tho. Without enough burn chance the occasional Holy immolation proc could be better. Though since the core of Holy Fire build focuses mainly on scaling hp/ms, with some supplementary fire/elemental dmg scaling its hard to say which is better. Most likely some threshold based on your weapon and stat increases. Also something to be said about AOE vs single target dmg as well, but in this case burn is probably better since you already have AOE w/ Holy fire.

[kind crescent]

everyone don't use this?

[white lagoon]

heal strength is different from regen, if u go to stats, all stats and search for heal it should be the third that appears

for example i got 2% which would mean id get 1% skill dmg which is basically nothin

[kind crescent]

ahhhh

[crude rock]

Don underestimate 1% it can ad up real fast

In other games we did figth over 1 %

[woven fox]

We aren’t rly stacking int and irc its quite a bit of int to just get 1% and we cant really use heal strength for anything in this build

That is ofc if you have more than 20% heal str from something then it might be better than a fire dmg node

Tbh if u have 6 heal str it could be better than a minor node so ig it is viable

[kind crescent]

UHMM...

[woven fox]

Still tho heal str is sorta the cuck seat in this build

[kind crescent]

heheehe

coocoo

I think it's still cool

[white lagoon]

crusador with minstrel might also be interesting, 3 dmg buffing skills, 2 dmg reduction skills, 1 health regen and msregen, and 2 that scale off of hp stacking (clamor crash clatter and wish)

[white lagoon]

the blood spark unique with immolate also seems interesting

[quick bramble]

you can use it if:

• you can spend minimal points to get to it
• you have heal strength in your build already
• you already have -crit dmg from multiple sources like ele overload and/or steady hands

you can get heal strength from flickering flame runeword if you use runic pants

[quick bramble]

update

[white lagoon]

When ya reach lvl 100 post ur full build if ya dont mind, seems like its rly fuckin good. Ive been following ur talent tree as well and its ery nice

[kindred tapir]

Is that total damage from everything? no way thats just holy fire right?

[quick bramble]

everything

[kindred tapir]

Makes sense lol

[quick bramble]

burn probably does most damage

[kindred tapir]

I was gonna say that is a CRAZY holyfire lol

Im currently playing pure holy fire and it clears well enough but I def am going to need something for single target, Feels like im going to hit a wall soon ngl

[crimson thicket]

Getting Burn ticks to ~150k feels good!

[crimson thicket]

I correct myself after some testing, 250k*

[quick bramble]

i stopped at level 96 to play on one of the official servers

but my build didnt change much

just get jewels when needed for juicy corrupts, and max out on burn chance and ele damage

regen and hp come last as those can be gotten through good armor

[kindred tapir]

dang 250K, is that just from Holy fire?

I've been thinking of trying to build more burn damage and less base damage but I just dont see how I can scale it that high

[quick bramble]

burn will scale the highest i believe

at least from what i saw

there aren’t many sources of ele dmg that’ll boost your damage enough

[crude rock]

How i only do 150k dps with burn and fire dmg

[kindred tapir]

How would you go about scaleing it? Im still new so im not sure whats the best for burn scaling so sorry if its a obvious question

[crude rock]

(not thies build

[kindred tapir]

New to this modpack* I've played alot of POE lol

[quick bramble]

i assume just uniques and burn nodes\

[kindred tapir]

I just dont know how you would scale enough multi to make it really good

Only burn multi I have seen if from ascendency

[quick bramble]

oh supports do a lot

[kindred tapir]

You can only have 2 supports on holy fire

*without + fire skill levels

[quick bramble]

use other skills

[kindred tapir]

Then im not playing a holy fire build am I lol

[quick bramble]

it isn't called holy fire spell spammer for nothing

[kindred tapir]

Tis why my first question was

Could I add something to the build to deal damage and slap holy fire on to say im playing holy fire? yes I could but I wanna play holy fire

[kindred tapir]

Currently I am hitting about 32-34K DPS with 14.3K HP and fairly decent tank stats but im not sure if its going to scale into the later game well enough, Its doing decent so far though

[quick bramble]

it doesn't do that much damage compared to other stuff rn

wish it could use more support gems

[kindred tapir]

Same, Idk if +fire spells will give me more support slots but im trying

if so I think +4 is doable wich would give me a 4 link I believe and that should make my damage much higher

[quick bramble]

i dont think +level gives slots

i might be wrong but i had like +5 or something

still 2

[kindred tapir]

Ya just tested on SP still only 2 at level 11

[crimson thicket]

Nah everything, a bit different from how ppl seem to build it here

[crimson thicket]

Sadly + to lvls on spells doesn't open more support slots, I had Holy Fire at like lvl 15 to test

And spells doesn't seem to scale that crazy with lvls, sadly

But 1 thing I have done different from testing, is Armageddon is WAAAAY more dmg than Fireball

[crimson thicket]

A little more testing on dummy
Only Holy Fire 70k burn ticks
385k burn ticks with everything running
350k DPS

lvl 100 char, not crazy optimized

[forest sentinel]

Picks?

[woven fox]

Tbh I prob should update this with more endgame going into more damage but I’m still lvl 73 so enough imo to update

But ye fireball is deff the weakest spell for overheat was planning to go into firewall as imo has a bit more potential as defensive and single target dps as well

[crimson thicket]

Yeah I was also considering Fire Wall, it just seems to push the enemies a lot, and the RNG of putting them down makes it so it doesn't always hit mobs

[woven fox]

ye i had to put a aoe and max stack steam to get it to get larger than 1 block reach

tho if u get 1 15% aoe noded will reach same

also tbh i could leave this build unfinished and let ppl build off it as i enjoy that as well imo this pack is best gateway to poe and learning tree yourself is the best

but man tho i hope the next update would come sooner as it ads qol for us ||Auras and buffs are toggles now||

[forest sentinel]

Thank fuck

[white lagoon]

I thought that was just a thing being suggested i didnt think it was gonna get added

pog i dont need to do the automatic buff mod

[forest sentinel]

Tho, from what ive noticed from this post, is that this isnt holy fire anymore, it's burnchance/burndmg

Not holy fire iself

[white lagoon]

well, thats just how it is, the poe rf builds also spec a lot into dot dmg and fire dots

[woven fox]

tbh sorta but the base is deff using multi spells to get that

[forest sentinel]

Thats cus RF is a dot in poe

An aoe dot

More so a drain than dot even

[woven fox]

tho now if only steam was also toggleable lmao

[forest sentinel]

RF from what i remember cant proc ignites, but it self is a dot so it scales of dot stuff

Kinda wish holy fire was coded(If possible), to be more so a drain than a hit every 0.5 sec

And then scale of dot stuff it self

RIght now, it's not holyfire(RF), It's ignite spam

[woven fox]

in general i wished things related to hp ticked faster instead of per sec

i mean its sorta asking to become burn proc literaly 2 "plates" that are looking to serve something extra on it

[forest sentinel]

What do you mean?

[woven fox]

steam and holy are p large aoe and consistant dam and semi low cost

that and we are deff starving on late game dam compared to some other builds

[forest sentinel]

Id love to see the cost on holy fire go up towards the PoE numbers

[woven fox]

tbh annother thing that sucks is when we put points into hf the stats dont improve ether which sucks even more to stack +lvls

[forest sentinel]

Could keep the current stats as is, and let it get to 16, but increases health costs+dmg

So from the current 33%/11% to 70+/30+

Would have to make it not proc burn tho

As in PoE

[woven fox]

imo even a .5 per lvl would be nice

[forest sentinel]

100%

[white lagoon]

well, changing it to 70/30, we would be able to survive it late itd be only a difference of 2% hp dmg in the end after all the dmg reduction if u have lavaspur boots. Early tho it might become hell to even try to play hf

if it scaled up tho with levels, would be interesting

[forest sentinel]

Ive made the change myself in my own changed version

Only problem is early early

But then again, you get it at lvl 30(Without further changes) and at that point you should be fire res cap with a bit of regen

[crimson thicket]

You mean pics of my build or ?

[crimson thicket]

Here's some pics of my stuff, again really not optimized, haven't even finished the campaign for the last skill points and passives

Running - Flame of new Dawn (Staff), Exile, Flickering Flame, Lavaspur, Summer Heat (Ring), rest epic / mythic items

[quick bramble]

i've tried to get that staff but it seems too rare lol

same with any summer heats

[north inlet]

Guys I dont have crusader class, i play on cte 2 v2.0.8.4 does it come with a later update?

[white lagoon]

yeah crusader was introduced i think in 0.9

why ya playing on such an old version?

[north inlet]

tlauncher, it doesnt boot up any version newer than 2.08.4

[crude rock]

Hes playing on a cracked launcher

[forest sentinel]

Oof

[crimson thicket]

Yeah, I have also only seen the one I'm using, same with the Neck

[tame kite]

dude why does holy fire keep killing me. I cant regen fast enough

[kindred tapir]

Just need more regen, its a skill you need to invest into

Fire res will also offset some of the damage so make aure you cap your fire res

[tame kite]

should i replace this with pants that give fire resis

[kindred tapir]

There is a fire and chaos res pant rune that is decent but IMO just epic+ pants with flat life or regen + fire res would be better

Only rune piece i would use for HF is boots for the reduced fire damage taken. But i play pure HF so my build may be alittle different

[tame kite]

is there a reason why holy fire only has 2 slots

[kindred tapir]

Ive asked and its becuase its a aura and slots are based on level (although plus levels dont affect it only base levels) and it kinda just got forgotten. Hopefully in the future we can get more slot sbut currently thats just the way it is

[tame kite]

oh

[woven fox]

Also don’t forget to slap on fire res enchant on all your gear helps reduce dmg even more

[kindred tapir]

? You mean to cap you fire res

[fair dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/904764697277005864/1207776037103075331/8fxuhk.jpg?ex=66621316&is=6660c196&hm=9f5aa7a03c957ebddd19c0dc11689f3d486d053ca6e3cdff6c397422383d022d&

[kindred tapir]

Oops lol

[woven fox]

Yes also lmao

Imo most ppl who start using hf deff don’t have gear enchanted and it deff helps early on

[kindred tapir]

Agreed but i thought you meant there was a enchant for like reduced fire damage taken or something lol

I was angy at myself for not taking advantage

[woven fox]

Lmao if fire res reduced as a mult that would be crazy

Plus there’s a reason for that ! Command

Also through our cult meeting yesterday I’ve thought of a intersting unique item simply named “The crown of heresy”

[tame kite]

This has been really helpful ive moved past my roadblock of 65 to 67, i still need fire resis on my gear

[crimson thicket]

What is that unique ?

[kindred tapir]

Cult secret

[woven fox]

Mentioning it would be heresy

[white lagoon]

Strength stacking might be a way to scale in the super late game. With the beast unique (100% + strength as hp), iron will support, and the game changer for magic skill dmg from each 5 strength u could get it to 600-1k% extra magic skill dmg also pivot to crit with the huge amounts of crit dmg ud get from pure strength. Only issue rn im having is having enough int to still keep the unique staff an option cuz it just slaps

Stat stacking seems to be the most broken thing rn if u can take advantage of it

Jewels are also overtuned, rn i got a build with 8, honestly getting the last fire res from that and codex, and just all sack everything else but boots and chest piece to max strength might be the maximum investment route

[kindred tapir]

Im do full str and limbsplitter is a good unique weapon for us

Im only level 92 with about 280 str though so still scaling

[white lagoon]

Gotta take a look later when im home. Ive seen ur able to get upwards of 2.5k in each stat with mythics

Well, in one stat

[kindred tapir]

Ya i believe its def possible just need to get the right rolls and and equips

[white lagoon]

yeah limbsplitter seems rly good as well honestly

[kindred tapir]

HP and regen what else do you need

[white lagoon]

and the strength stat to top it off, honestly quite great

[white lagoon]

what u doing for second class btw over elementalist?

[kindred tapir]

Fighter

Get hp and regen from passives you get stance for some cute stats but mostly for shred and flame strike to apply shred and whatever debuff flame strike gives but both give -res so its effectively free pen

When im home i can send my class trees if you want but theh are fairly straight forward

[white lagoon]

ait will take a look in a sec, fighter and brawler are the only ones i havent read through yet but seems good. Was looking rn at shaman as well for the scorch -res as well

ye send please so i can take some pointers!

[kindred tapir]

Will do, should be home in about 3ish hours lol

[white lagoon]

yeah i see the way, flame strike and shred with defensive stance, and the passive skills are also pretty nice. The problem im seein tho is that elementalist is rly hard to beat cuz of the fuckin 133% magic skill dmg buff. Protection tho is also a rly good buff

50% theoritical elemental shred tho right

[kindred tapir]

Ya protection is huge for res capping

[white lagoon]

hmmmm honestly fighter is looking rly juicy the more skill damage u have from strength

[kindred tapir]

Saves alot of suf/prefixes on res and also frees up jewels

Personally I've tried a few and fighter is really really nice

Maybe not the like best for straight dps but overall qol is so good

Also shred is REALLY good for getting endy charges

[white lagoon]

if i go with it rn tho im pretty sure itll be a dmg down, might still go for it tho seems less annoying to play than steam cloud and armageddon spam

[kindred tapir]

If you build enough crit could also be used for frenzy

[white lagoon]

yeah, specially in the super late game when u transition to pure crit dmg from strength stacking itd be great for buffs

yeeeeee i see the way i see it

[kindred tapir]

Maybe i should make a pure str pure HF guide lol

[white lagoon]

yeah eventually would be nice to make one

tho, i think that in terms of power, pure str only gets good when u get to lvl 100 and start rly investing into it. And itd only truly surpass elementalist at around 300-400 str

and blow out of the waters no contest would happen at around 800 str

no wait i forgot to include that u get 2% per 5 str not one im STUPID

300 str yeah would absolutely have outscalled elementalist

[kindred tapir]

Tbh for me its just the fact i dont wanna play spell slinger, like is it lower damage? Most likely but my mapping is just HF on and walk around, just use shred whenever for endy charges and only need full pen on really tanky mobs or bosses. Idk its just easy and brain off

[white lagoon]

i think it is lower dmg until u get to the breaking point of the skill dmg ur gaining from str being higher than the skill dmg u gain from mage circle and overheat stacks

it has higher scaling potential imo

[tame kite]

i have 2

just go gow

[white lagoon]

Yo brotha what u using the lvl like 70-100 skill points on

I was thinking charge but honestly, not enough energy to even sustain it. And none of the crusader skills do much

[kindred tapir]

I cant lie the choices get thin LOL

Uh but everything I level is HF, Safeguard, Reckoner's Flail, Stance, Charge, Shred, Flame Strike and Protection

[white lagoon]

Other self dmg skill is ok, chain is meh cuz energy again, shield throw is also meh tho it does apply a debuff with retri

Yeah reckoners i also was looking at that but just no energy. Hmmmm

[kindred tapir]

How do you have like 0 energy?

Even with 0 investment I have enough to cast my stuff enough

def going - in long fights but outside of combat I can charge and what not without worry

[white lagoon]

Odd, mby jewel diff

Or the overall tree

[kindred tapir]

Whats you energy regen?

[white lagoon]

Im not home rn but i think i got 900 energy max with like 100 regen

[kindred tapir]

That should be more then enough

Unless you are sockting stuff in your skills

Like I have no supports outside of endy charge and fort on shred and flamestrike

[white lagoon]

Ah yeah im socketing stuff on shred for endurance and fortify

Hmmmmm

[kindred tapir]

But charge is free since you dont use it often and in combat if you are using it its a oh shit button for a stun

and pull is only for spiders and other stuff when you first start pulling a room

[white lagoon]

Yeah for spiders ive just been ramming into thrm with elytra and hf on

Mach 10 into the wall

[kindred tapir]

But 100% for sure incombat you are actively hemorrhaging energy lol

[kindred tapir]

Get flail lol

its 100%

worth

ALTHOUGH

[white lagoon]

Yeah im in a -cuz i spam shred on cd to stack it

[kindred tapir]

I have not tried grapple

so maybe its better? idk but I like flail

[kindred tapir]

Well assuming you are in def stance

[white lagoon]

Shield throw is better in a dps perspective, flail is better for util

[kindred tapir]

you only need to cast it 2 or 3 times for max stacks

then flame strike will be doing more so you only use shred to upkeep your stacks

[kindred tapir]

Ya I looked at shield throw, seems good

but I just dont have the buttom space lol

[white lagoon]

Yeah tho problem for not spamming shred is fortify since it only last 3 secs

[kindred tapir]

you should have fort on both

imo

[white lagoon]

I hasnt done it cuz i was having energy problemos

Havent

[kindred tapir]

I think with 100 energy regen you should be fine

just try to spam less and use skills for the uptime rather then damage

[white lagoon]

Ill have to take a look when im home and mess around with stuff

[kindred tapir]

Hmu if you wanna talk/ask anything, Idm helping or discussing whatever.

[white lagoon]

Ill send my current build when im home

[white lagoon]

Hmmm i got 55 energy regen afterall

that might explain it

[kindred tapir]

Let me swap my build over and see how much I have

[kindred tapir]

I think 55 should be fine I have less lol

these are my stats

Non buffed of course

[kindred tapir]

And as far as supports its Fort on shred, flame strike and charge

and Energy leech on shred and flamestrike

[white lagoon]

ah u got energy leech

[kindred tapir]

Its free to equip so def worth

[white lagoon]

the full debuff and buff rotation would take 600 upfront more or less, and the upkeep would be 200 every 3 secs to keep fortify, so ud be down 50 energy every rotation more or less (with conservation on)

[kindred tapir]

my shred and flame strike only cost 430 energy

[white lagoon]

u need to shred twice for full 10 stacks of shred, or once for 6

[kindred tapir]

Ya but thats just the start burst

then you can stagger it

[white lagoon]

yeah, every 3 secs for fortify more or less

[kindred tapir]

This is how mine flows

Thats me hyper focusing on my energy

normally im at 0 and just casting when i get enough

its just keeping up your 2 debuffs since reapply reset full duration for shred

[kindred tapir]

Also I found this to be untrue, maybe do to lack of it chance

but as you can see in the clip i need 4 casts of shred before my damage is at its max

[white lagoon]

bug?

[kindred tapir]

Could be

4 casts without the def stance buff would make sense for max stacks

assuming its not hit chance causeing a problem

[white lagoon]

ye its a bug, should be applying 3 stacks of shred, and in defensive stance it should be applying 6

report it in the bug section

[kindred tapir]

Done

But ya idk, maybe its the energy leech helping but I have no problems sustaining my debuffs and keeping up fort

[white lagoon]

energy leech does help a bunch fo sho

[crimson thicket]

30k as lvl 93, seems, kinda meh, sry to say

[white lagoon]

Its about working with only holy fire, holy fire is kinda meh to begin with. With a lot of investment itd eventually outscale but itll take a lot to get to that point

The state of the balance currently is not good

Sadly

[crimson thicket]

I do 88k with only HF and buffs

In the vid you are also using Shred and Flamestrike

Or I get to 88k dps with 1 use of HF, so like the 20 sec it lasts

It seemed like it was still climbing

[white lagoon]

And buffs, we dont have the magic skill damage buff and are going for a different approach. The magic skill damage will only start to outscale the elementalist build once we have quite a bit of strength which requires farming and infusions. Try it without buffs

[crimson thicket]

What buff do you think I'm using, I mean Mage Armor (which doesn't actually do anything with only HF) and Safeguard

So yeah 88k dps with Safeguard and HF, only

There is nothing in Fighter that makes you scale better off str tho, except a bit from the Health Passive

No buffs at all

[white lagoon]

thought u was using overheat

[crimson thicket]

Well on bosses, yes

Overheat, Mage Circle, Steam Cloud etc.

That's like 400k dps

[white lagoon]

the magic skill dmg comes from strength, what ur getting from fighter is shred. This version of the build goes strength maxing of magic skill dmg with iron will and game chancer and u pivot to crit dmg eventually

[crimson thicket]

But wanted to show just HF

Same

My prio atm is also farming str gear

Only int I go for is for my staff

because no str weap is worth the sacrifice of the staff

[white lagoon]

i thought that as well but ur also sacrificing a bunch of str for the staff so i dont think its that simple

lowballing it ud be losing more than 150 str which translates to 60% magic skill dmg, unless if fire damage is multiplicative with other sources and not additive

[crimson thicket]

Can you get pure str on infuse or only all atributes ?

[white lagoon]

how do i search that? some uniques give flat strength like the limbsplitter as well which boosts ur str by a lot including the points u wouldnt put into int

actually i think limbsplitter is the only one, uh, weird thought thered be more

[crimson thicket]

Idk, I have just only seen all attributes on infusion, which makes it so you can put all scaling into str and still use int or dex weap, for example

[white lagoon]

ah u can get an infusion on the necklace that gives 2 attributes split, tho its not enough and ud be losing out on more stats than u get i think?

[crimson thicket]

That's what I asked, if there's an infusion that's only str for higher value

I haven't seen it yet

[white lagoon]

ah ye u can get pure str

it gives u like 45 str at max i think?

ench_necklace_str_flat, i think thats how infusions are displayed in the library

tho i think in the library it only shows the base rank

u apparently also can get a percent but that seems bad

[crimson thicket]

Ah thanks, will have a look

[kindred tapir]

Tis true sadly, I'm assuming you build for burn? Also how tanky is your version? just curious.

[crimson thicket]

Ehm I can send my stats, but facetanking basically all Uber Bosses

Well ye I'm burn, Crit does not seem worth it with only 2 supports

But I get you guys if Diamond Will and Iron Will was a More Modifier and not only a Increased

[crimson thicket]

Without any buffs or anything

[white lagoon]

for crit ud need to eventually drop the -crit damage game changers as well or cc does 0

[crimson thicket]

Only thing that seems cool with a crit version is Holy Immolation

The clear would be insane

[white lagoon]

holy immolation is always a dmg down with holy fire

cuz a burn proc does 100% of the dmg plus burn damage. So if u proc a burn on a 10k holy fire hit itll do 10k burn dmg

ur not getting to that level of dmg with immolation

if holy immolation didnt decrease burn dmg by 95%

[kindred tapir]

I'll look into burn since I've thought it would be better but was to lazy to spec into it fully

Whats supports do you use?

[crimson thicket]

on HF ? Fire Dmg and Restrained Destruction, but I just use the highest "More" multipliers we find in my grp

Burn is way easier to invest in than crit tho

[crimson thicket]

Just tested a bit, with basically just seeing how much I could get HF to do "solo", so like you guys, using other spells to buff it

250k dps, keeping Overheating up, without hitting with the spell that gives it, and keeping Mage Circle up

Here are some of the numbers

100k burn applied per HF hit

[kindred tapir]

Now thats phat

Imma really need to look into burn scaling

[crimson thicket]

If we could get more supports, Ailment would be 35% More burn

or I have a 35% one

[kindred tapir]

I did a very small test and kinda just thorw it out the window but hot damn

[crimson thicket]

I just tested with Pen, seemed a bit better atm for me

[kindred tapir]

Where are you getting your multis?

Like 20% burn is chief and could get like 20% from support

Since you want pen imo

[crimson thicket]

yeah

But multis are tree + acendency + support + items

and ofc Overheat is 100% More magic

Mage Circle is 36% More skill

etc.

I do almost 600k blasting the dummy

With Golems, Arma, Shield Throw, Steam Cloud and HF

[crimson thicket]

My next goal is dual wielding

I just need ~2% max fire

So 1 lucky Jewel corrupt

[kindred tapir]

Overheat is the mage like fire passive thing right?

[crimson thicket]

yeah

That makes you regen less

[kindred tapir]

[crimson thicket]

So 100% more dmg for 80% less regen

basically

[kindred tapir]

Thats alot of regen loss dang

[crimson thicket]

not health regen*

[kindred tapir]

Oh?

[crimson thicket]

Just mana, blood, energy

[kindred tapir]

Oh thats free then

And what do you stack it with?

[crimson thicket]

Armageddon, seems to be the hardest hitting Elementalist spell

and is sort of aoe

[kindred tapir]

My build currently uses 3 buttons so ideally I dont want more then that lol

[crimson thicket]

haha

[kindred tapir]

This is meant to be a lazy mans build atleast forme

[crimson thicket]

I use 6 I think

Well I can go down to 1-2

[kindred tapir]

If i do swap im def not doing all that (outside of bosses)

Lol

[crimson thicket]

Well with only pressing HF I do 100k

That clears most maps

[kindred tapir]

Would you be able to get a clip of mapping just for a feel of how it plays?

[crimson thicket]

And I have the staff for Steam Cloud on kill

I can try

Just getting some food now

[kindred tapir]

No worrys im at work anyway

Stuck here for like 4 hours

[white lagoon]

whole reason i stopped elementalist is steam cloud spamming is a pain. And also it seems fun to try a different variant of the main build

[kindred tapir]

I mean just from looking at the stats and not seeing the build i feel my setup is much like brain off good for leveling

In maps i push like 2.5k regen and have more total health but you lose alot of damage it seems

[crimson thicket]

You can get almost 100% chance to Steam Cloud on kill

But yeah, Steam Cloud lasting 5 sec is so bad

But it's not required for me running maps, just more dmg xD

[kindred tapir]

Whats steam cloud?

[white lagoon]

ye tho now that ive started with this i wanna go through and see how far i can take it. Im planning on going the beast and limb for uniques, lavaspur boots and the rest just mythics and change the blood mage skill for hemorrage

[kindred tapir]

Ive been on str HF the whole time so idk anything about the mage version lol

[crimson thicket]

Well mine is also str HF xD Just haven't pushed my gear too much yet

My char is really not optimized, I just test stuff when they drop

[white lagoon]

steam cloud is a 4 duration 10 stack ability that gives u a buff called steam that both increases steam could damage and gives u a ton of aoe range

so u gotta stack it to 10, and keep it, and i always have an issue keeping it going

[kindred tapir]

Ya but you got like int for staff and what not mine is pure str lol

[crimson thicket]

It's basically HF all over xD Just more annoying to keep up

[kindred tapir]

Does sound annoying

[crimson thicket]

Well I have put 10 points into Int

Or so

My gear had some int on it

[kindred tapir]

Ya I dont have any, just pure str and hp

[white lagoon]

if i get a the beast and a bunch of str i should be able to bring my hp to like 30-40k

so lets see how it goes

[crimson thicket]

I'm also gonna test that one and Kaoms

but Kaoms is kinda insane to farm

has to be tier 100 maps

[white lagoon]

kaoms is worse than the beast if u have like 1k strength

kaom gives 1040hp lvl 100

tho u need that huge amount of strength

[crimson thicket]

ye

And the chance of getting the Beast is also really low

[white lagoon]

its a prophecy unique right? so need to run prophecy maps

farm them coins

[crimson thicket]

ye

And then buy the chance to get the chest

there's ALOT of chests to get

My friend got 5 Golemancers

[white lagoon]

gotta farm the coins in high tier maps

and roll in low tier ones for less chest options

might be the play

since the beast is a tier0 chestplate

and also prio plate chest rolls

[crimson thicket]

Just waiting for YT proccessing

Realizing now I should have went over my supports etc. it's just a quick map

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URJTnYzbmm0
I ran it kinda slow tbh, I had never seen this map layout, so didn't really know where to go xD

[crimson thicket]

And yeah, it's just a blue map, Epic and Legendary just takes a little bit longer, but aren't really anymore scary

Mythic, my grp only runs with Uber bosses on, to see if we can get a Watcher's Eye

And only mods that are a little rough / scary is less Chaos Res

Maggots and spiders just get kinda strong with that mod

[white lagoon]

Big slime poison dot be like

[kindred tapir]

Seems like alot of api lol but also fast. Also if you didn't know (or you may not care idk) but you can turn off screen effects such as fov zoom in or out and nausea

[crimson thicket]

api ? you mean APM ?
Well I did use Steam Cloud here, but I just have it on a mouse botton and keep holding it

[crimson thicket]

WHAT ? HOW ?! (with the "debuffs")

I only knew about screen shake

[kindred tapir]

Ya mb, work got brain fried

[crimson thicket]

nw

[kindred tapir]

Its under accessibility settings

I turn both to 0 lol

Fuck the drug zombies and the crippling dudes always zooming my screen in and out

Also makes speed buffs not zoom you out alot if you already play on a higher fov setting

[crimson thicket]

I can't wait to try this !

Thanks !

[quick bramble]

the real holy fire is the burn procs

maybe i should make a totem build

[crimson thicket]

I would say, my 50k hits is fine, when not really scaling the initial hit too much

But I guess it actually only hit for 25k and dmg is only calculated once per sec

[kindred tapir]

I did a full swap to mage/burn and it is substantially more damage (ez 90k) but i cant lie its just too much. Manageing smoke stacks, overheat, you summons, blood drain, circle, etc, etc. Its just too much lol

[forest sentinel]

I play RF to play RF, not combo mage

[kindred tapir]

I turn on rf and walk around lol. On tanky mobs use my debuffs (same as poe) i donnt wanna upkeep stacks and shit lol. But i cant lie the damage is MUCH better on mage atleast with similar investment

[forest sentinel]

going pure battery support with massive magic shield is by far the highest dmg ive had with pure HF, Il do some testing with the str mega stacking

On a non modified version I should add

Oh, forgot tomes are BiS with that aswell

could have done a fuck ton more dmg

[kindred tapir]

How much MS were you able to push?

[forest sentinel]

20K+

Without tome

And not optimized at all, just made a world and gave myself lvl 100 made a quick talant tree, picked acendancy, and gave myself gear

MS regen is quite a bit harder to get than life sadly, but with enough dr and shields you can get back heart of ice before going down

Prob some good way to fix it, just didnt test it enough, just did it to see the dmg

But was hitting for 20K+ pure hf

And like I said forgot tome, which would be like another 2K+ shields

[white lagoon]

str mega stacking might benefit of dropping fire pen from supports for a "more" multiplier. Holy shield throw also seems rly rly good, its a huge dmg multiplier

the main idea would be getting a bunch of magic skill damage off of iron will and game changer, multiplying that with crit dmg u get from strength, and stacking hp with strength and the beast unique to boost the base value. Shred and flame strike for resistance shred, holy shield throw for damage multiplier. Crit chance the best way would be to get it from jewels.

For str stacking, problem is ud only have 6 out of 8 slots to stack it, tho should be able to get a big amount of it. Everything but chest, boots (cuz lavaspur, i still dont know how much the self dmg will get boosted so it probs is a must), and melee cuz limbsplitter fits the build perfect, should be strength mythics.

Funnily enough, I think sacrificing 100% crit damage for elemental overload will be a dps up

If there is space for burn, its also good, its another multiplier technically.

[kindred tapir]

Pen is the highest damage buff for almost every skill so i dont think swapping it will be a dps increase but as for elemental overload i think it is a dps increase untill a breakpoint is hit i just dont know that break point lol

Also holy shield throw does look good, imma look into it instead of chain and see how it feels

[white lagoon]

u already got pen from shred and flame strike so instead of u getting the full amount off of the fire pen, ud get only a part of it. For example if u got a 20% fire pen itd only be an actual increase of 12%. So im not entirely sure how good it is

[kindred tapir]

I dont think so. I may be wrong here

But i believe pen is just a direct removal of ele defense that stacks

And there is no cap as far as im aware

[white lagoon]

basically my way of thinking is that if we are shredding resistances down to around 60% already, shredding 20% off of that 60% should be only 12% which would give u 48% total resistances

[kindred tapir]

Nope

I think its like, enemy have 60%

[forest sentinel]

I think its flat

[kindred tapir]

You use shred for 3% each stack putting them down to 30

Then you remove 19% more from the gem

Putting them down to 9%

Or 11% my math bad lol

[white lagoon]

so if they take 1k dmg lets say, instead of 700 they would take 890. How does flame strike factor in?

[kindred tapir]

Well you would just add the debuff amount of pen on top

So what like 10% putting them to 1% (in this hypothetical situation)

[white lagoon]

well both fire strike and shred are elemental resistance reduction while fire penetration is different, they add flat in the formula then although they are from different sources?

[kindred tapir]

I think its all flat

Just "take enemy res, remove x amount of res"

[forest sentinel]

^^

[kindred tapir]

Atleast thats how i understand it

Thats why pen is so strong

[white lagoon]

im thinkin about this like a warframe player so its a bit weird with all the wording

in warframe, itd be multiplicative with each other cuz its 2 different sources and talking about percentages, hence why its weird for me

[kindred tapir]

Na if it follows POE then its flat

Pen debuffs just remove x amount of res from the enemy

[forest sentinel]

If I rememeber, corrosive stacks are flat

[white lagoon]

then the only true multiplicative is the ones that say more before

yeah tho thats a single source, but if u go corrosive and fire reduction they multiply

[forest sentinel]

If it wasnt it wouldnt be able to full strip alone

[white lagoon]

to 90% reduction

total

[forest sentinel]

Well with shards you get some more stacks

tho, armor strip is so easily avialable you dont even think about it anymore

[white lagoon]

so then, what about damage % and how it interacts with a hit that causes a burn proc

[kindred tapir]

?

[white lagoon]

cuz it says all damage, its two different instances, so in my mind it should be a double dip mechanic that procs on the first hit, making it x% more damage, and the burn hit, again making it x% more dmg

does it not work like that?

[forest sentinel]

?___?

Oh, it is

[kindred tapir]

Well burn damage is strictly based ofd your hit

And burn damage%/multi

[forest sentinel]

Which is most likely why burn can hit harder than the hit

[white lagoon]

ok let me explain in a different way, imagine i got 10% damage increase and am doing 1k damage and proc a burn for the same damage.

first hit does 110%, so 1.1k

burn hit does 121%, so 1.21k

Thats my logic

[forest sentinel]

% dmg should make all dmg increase, so thats what I would think

[kindred tapir]

Thats makes sense if you have something that scales both burn and hit damage

[white lagoon]

so in warframe terms itd be like the faction multipliers, but instead its racist towards all enemies, and therefore should be broken

[forest sentinel]

[kindred tapir]

Unfortunately there is not alot of more damage% so it think it would be hard to scale but increased damage should be less hard to get but still not meny instances of it

[white lagoon]

theres 32% damage total in the left side and top with steady hands and 3 nodes. Tho steady hands is another -100% crit dmg so not the best for str build

[forest sentinel]

If you want/need to go into the crit

[white lagoon]

yeah, tho i think not going to crit with strength stacking is a waste u could probs cap it

[forest sentinel]

Mabey so

[white lagoon]

every 100 is 30% crit dmg, for 500% ud need 1600

and that isnt that far off considering laplace's dexterity maxing calcs. Might be even able to take steady hands and elemental overload without compromising on crit dmg

[kindred tapir]

I believe if you take the ele multi thing its -100% more crit

So you have 0 no matter what

[white lagoon]

ew

[white lagoon]

its -100% less critical damage for both

i think thats flat?

[forest sentinel]

-100% less, so you get 0% bonus dmg from crits

[kindred tapir]

Yepno crit

[white lagoon]

ah, wording bein bs

[kindred tapir]

So you can still crit technically (for the more ele damage) it will just always deal 0 more damage

[forest sentinel]

Increased, decressed, Is % based, More/less is flat

Pretty simple, if you are used to PoE wording

Tho, some things need better wording

More?

Or Increased?

JUst saying 20% damage is bad wording, but logicaly you would think More

[kindred tapir]

Some things work differently though like conversation and such

[kindred tapir]

I just assume no more or less then its increased or decreased

[forest sentinel]

Then steady is dog sht tho xD

[white lagoon]

so the build i had in mind would be relying on magic skill damage, crit damage and burn procs, hmmmm

[kindred tapir]

I was thinking may stacking heal % with minstrel could do good damage

Idk though

[white lagoon]

so, if i had 30k hp, and lets say i managed to get 2k strength and the crit chance for crit.

30k x 11% = 3.3k base
2k / 5 x 2 = 800% magic skill damage
3.3k x 8 x 5 = 132k damage per tick, so 264k dps

not game breaking, still funny number on a single ability ig

[forest sentinel]

juicy, tho 2K str might be hard

[white lagoon]

2k str will be hard, but it is technically possible

[forest sentinel]

Also, do you go acendant acendancy to get the 25%?

[white lagoon]

ah i forgot, was laplaces calcs with that?

i dont think u can

without chieftain ud insta down urself

u might not get crit, but that 800% magic skill damage is gonna hit ur face like a truck

[forest sentinel]

Self dmg only scales with hp

Im pretty sure

[white lagoon]

hmmm it must scale with smthing else as well

actually i think i cracked it, it scales with supports as well i think

cuz im taking a bit more than i should with my res

which would mean fire pen actually makes u take more dmg if thats the case, which is funny

actually nope im wrong

[forest sentinel]

[white lagoon]

idfk, is it damage%?

or more damage

since ti increases all damage

should also include self damage

i should be taking 353 but im taking 529 so it scales with smthing else for sure

spaghetty code i say

[kindred tapir]

I believe it explicitly says something about crit and something not affecting self damage

It should only be the base hit vs res/damage sup/reduced fire damage

[forest sentinel]

^^

[kindred tapir]

Also you can check the damage log for the self damage hit and see exactly how its scaling

If you have netherite bastion that would affect your self damage

[white lagoon]

ah netherite bastion i forgot that was a thing, solved!

[kindred tapir]

[white lagoon]

didnt know that, good to know

[kindred tapir]

I wish DR was easier to get

Sorry not DR, DS (suppression)

[ripe hedge]

just go trickster 🙂
20% from ascendancy 30% from acrobat 33% from reckless defender 83% total, remaining 17% easily achievable from runes/jewels/etc
honestly probs not that bad for HF with the area dmg node, the self hit is also leechable so could consider that.

[kindred tapir]

Idk chieftain making you not need to build nearly as meny res in addition to giving free max res is just so good

But giga DS would be nice ngl

[ripe hedge]

you don't really need max res besides fire anyways, cause phys/chaos dmg is what you'll end up dying to

I get that it helps and all but ya...

And if you think about it 75% resist with 100% suppression is effectively like having 87.5% resist. 😉

Chieftain is a bait imo though i admit its really good early mapping before you have a lot of gear

[kindred tapir]

Maybe but high res also lets you take physical as mods for free since its effectively free dr also lets you run -max res maps easier

Tis a trade off to be sure

[ripe hedge]

free with supression too imo

guarenteed half dmg btw

[kindred tapir]

Is a good choice to be sure

What is the downside to the other ds node?

[ripe hedge]

The question really lies in the offensive side

which?

acrobat?

20% less armor/dodge

maybe like 5-10% less phys mitigation from armor for reliable 50% less dmg

[kindred tapir]

Freewhen at 100%

[ripe hedge]

ya need 100%

Also chieftain is better for burn focused builds

no doubt about that lol (just checked the ascendancy again and saw all those juicy burn nodes)

[kindred tapir]

Even not focused on burn its still a fair amount of free damage ngl

Nothing crazy but its still good, makes using burn as a 2ed dps source worth it imo

[forest sentinel]

Wish right side had more than totem support

tho, now when I think about it, Might be able to replace the totem tag on the explosion node and make it fire or something

[arctic merlin]

is there a way to turn off the screen shake on taking dmg from holy fire?

[quick bramble]

yeah in the options

accessibility settings

[arctic merlin]

ty

[nocturne raft]

can you show your full build somewhere? my firend was trying to make this aura build work but he couldnt

in the end he gave up

he was playing it from lv 30 (when you unlock it) till lv 80sthing but he gave up

[forest sentinel]

you either play MS stacker or burn/combo mage, no other real way to do it

[kindred tapir]

Hp/str stacking does work. Lower damage but it is very brainoff tank (in most maps)

[forest sentinel]

Depends on what version of hp/str stacking

Bosses even in epilogue campaign takes several minutes to finish

[kindred tapir]

Oh forsure its dps is low but its safe lol also consistent damage makes it feel better imo

[forest sentinel]

Id say you start str/pure hp and then go into MS/mage, or you do the theori 1K+ str version

[nocturne raft]

but his dps seems fine

as full strengh build

also whats the best weapon to use on it

[white lagoon]

yeah tho the str/hp version isnt very friendly for leveling and the 1k+ str version is a super farmed and stacked build. Very safe tho, have only died to those lvl 100 bugged harverst spawns

[nocturne raft]

so you have to stack strengh? ;d

[crimson thicket]

Again, you don't need to use all that

Overheat is a 30 sec buff. so use it together with HF to keep both up

Summons is just summon and don't care

Circle is basically just for bosses, unless you just use it while running

[nocturne raft]

Paamand can you show your talent tree and stuff?

[crimson thicket]

It's way less bottons than Shred and Flame Strike

[crimson thicket]

Sure, when I have time to get on MC I'll take a pic

It's not too optimized tho

[nocturne raft]

Thanks tho

and what gems you use and stuff the more the better ;d

i was wondering how you get 90 resists as well rn friend has 82, without the shield that gives more

so probably like 85/86 will be his cap rn

[kindred tapir]

Summons keep up with endy and fort stacks no? So you need to have them alive

[kindred tapir]

Idk ran a few maps and it felt like more work

[crimson thicket]

I only use Fort for bosses, thrash do 0 dmg xD So I have it on shield throw

it's a melee spell

[crimson thicket]

Well it's probably because you feel like you need to use everything

[nocturne raft]

How you stack 1k strength tho for dex is palm but for strength?

[crimson thicket]

I'll take picture of some of the "important" things imo

I don't have 90 max atm, testing dual wield

But I have the shield if I wanna go Uber Bosses or something

Only seen one Corruption Max Fire Res on Jewel

And really.. I haven't optimized almost anything, my grp and I are just testing EVERYTHING xD

Oh forgot Skills
Crusader:
Safeguard
Holy Fire
Holy Shield Throw (only needs 3 supports for my setup)

Elementalist:
Armageddon
Fire Golem
Mage Circle
Steam Cloud
Mage Armor

I think that's it

[white lagoon]

palm is basically to convert the dexterity into weapon damage, tho it does give dexterity percent u also get that from other places. Limbsplitter is the best for the str stacking build

[white lagoon]

not enough jewel slots

[crimson thicket]

Jewels seem kinda meh tbh

[white lagoon]

4, rookie numbers

[crimson thicket]

Low health per jewel

only res, which is EXTREMELY easy to cap as Chieftain

So no reason to get more

[white lagoon]

depends on the jewels, one of them is sometimes worth a bunch of talent nodes in fire damage for example

[nocturne raft]

I see you don’t take much AOE

[crimson thicket]

And I guess you didn't read the main point of it all, which I have stated multiple times ... IT'S NOT OPTMIZED

[white lagoon]

ye im jokin dw, bunch of people been making builds with like 8/9 slots

[crimson thicket]

Why would I ? it's a "melee" build anyway

[crimson thicket]

I know, but they don't play Chieftian, and maybe play stuff that can use the corruptions

And Abyssal Jewels

If I had any I might look into it

[fervent sage]

Do you wear plate or cloth gear for this build?

[nocturne raft]

Can you type what supp gems you use on skills?

[white lagoon]

yeah also havent seen a single abyssal jewel

[nocturne raft]

For longer reach

It can kinda double your range if you take them

[crimson thicket]

Which would do what ?

It's 2b base

That's plenty when running maps

[crimson thicket]

Just Multipliers, Endurance and Fort on Shield Throw

Frenzy on Steam Cloud (low uptime with my current version)

[crimson thicket]

I use Plate

[nocturne raft]

Friend had problem what to choose on aura because only 2 slots

[crimson thicket]

And I'm still testing, but Pen + highest Multiplier seems best for me

[white lagoon]

i just saw that fuckin jewel corruption roll lucky bastard give me ur luck

basically a godroll corrupt

[crimson thicket]

So Fire Damage, Restrained Magic Damage (or w/e it's called), etc.

[nocturne raft]

And last thing can you show weapon? 😅

[crimson thicket]

I have seen 1 with Max fire and we went ham with trying to upgrade the affix

xD

[fervent sage]

Thanks

[crimson thicket]

I have gotten lucky and got a Flame of new Dawn

But otherwise I would go for Arche-gamble or how ever it's called

[crimson thicket]

Prob mainly because I didn't have the stats to look into anything else until recently

[kindred tapir]

Dang i missed alot

[nocturne raft]

we got it as well

feels op for this build

[nocturne raft]

wiat you are using 2x staff now

no shield

rip

[nocturne raft]

hmm is windspliter that good it gives up to 41 strengh while palm for dex gives +80% dex for free

[crimson thicket]

Again I'm testing stuff 😄 it does ALOT of dmg

[nocturne raft]

2x flame of new dawn?

i wish i had yune rune (or whatever its called) to get exiled on shield i would love to use shield to cap 90% resist for fun

[nocturne raft]

idk im still missing sth i literally equiped everything on strengh and i have 842 strengh rn + i used ALL strengh talents in talent tree (testing one just to get highest number 0 passives for dmg ect)

(missing codex becasue idk how to ./give it with commands but rest is max strengh)

[kindred tapir]

This including like flat str on everything and infusions and whatnot? Idk how they did it but i remember talk about alot of flat dex with %increases scattered thoughout

[nocturne raft]

wait forogr about infusions XD

all infusions can get strengh? on all pieces?

[kindred tapir]

Maybe not boots?

[nocturne raft]

all gear has +27-29 strengh

unique is only necless and the axes maybe there are good uniques

(its testing world so dont be like jealuse) xd wanted to get "max amout for fun"

[kindred tapir]

Thats fair lol

You got socket %str on everything you can also

[nocturne raft]

yup all jeweles 12%

is there a list of possible infusons somewhere?

[kindred tapir]

Only in the in game library

As far as i know

[white lagoon]

necklace one gives like 40 str

also u gotta slot in jewelry opals, and strength would also give quite a bit

[nocturne raft]

with this infused i got like 900 strengh but still cant reach 1K+

[white lagoon]

armor suffix u also got strength% besides strength flat but ig u might rly need either a strength% source or smthin, let me do math

[nocturne raft]

in short all armor is +27-29 (29 IS MAX) strengh
necles you can see
rings give +20 +27 strenght
on necl/rin/ring/elytra/elytra +12% strenght socket

[nocturne raft]

on rings/necless i got more from +number than +%

unique axes give +40/+39

talent tree is all strengh nodes and %hp nodes to get most hp for fun XD

[white lagoon]

u can have both, at least with dex thats the case

i think

[nocturne raft]

i mean i equiped uniques with %

compered to mythic with +

ascendency is the one with +25% strenght

[white lagoon]

1,572 is what the math is giving me

[nocturne raft]

can you show it?

[white lagoon]

ye ima write it all down, lets say 50 str in the talent tree cuz putting it all to get all the str nodes is a bit bad

actually i fucked up a bit on the math cuz i forgot i was planning on sacrificing 2 armor for stuff but gimme a sec

how much was limbsplitter max str value?

[nocturne raft]

41

[white lagoon]

100 base
50 talent
12 ascendency
29.75 x 6 armor and jewelry suffix
14.875 x 3 jewelry suffix all attributes
35.7 necklace implicit
53.55 necklace enchant
17.85 codex
14 food diversity
41 limbsplitter

= 547.225

5x3 armor suffix
12x7 jewelry with chaos stat that gives +1 socket and elytra all with divine opal
23.7 mythic strength pot

=122.7%

547.226 x (1 + 122.7%) = 1218.67

hmmmm

this doesnt include offhand tho

this is basically all mythic gear but chest, boots and main weapon

and mantaining chieftain ascendancy

[nocturne raft]

you can roll + and % on armor suffix at once?

am I that unlucky that i never saw it xd

[white lagoon]

should be able to ye

[nocturne raft]

oh ok you can]

but to get good one kekw

[white lagoon]

strength stacking is a bit starved compared to what ive seen with dex and int uh

[nocturne raft]

dex with cheap gear i got 900 xd

(hallow palm op)

[white lagoon]

dual wielding limbspliters and putting in the other ascendancy would boost it a bit more

[nocturne raft]

what you use int stack for, is there hallow palm or sth here?

like strengh stacking is kinda meh tbh,
dex is broken with the necless and hallow palm

[white lagoon]

int stack would be battery and shi shenanigans

strength is crit dmg iron will and other game changer shenanigans

dex is hallow palm phys damage shenanigans

is int stacking just the superior strength stacking

and ud go MS and convert heal strength to magic skill damage as well

[nocturne raft]

what is "shi"? xd

battery ik but shi

[white lagoon]

by shi i meant shit XD

[nocturne raft]

XD

may I ask how much (around) int you get from int stacking? XD

and like items for that

[crimson thicket]

Only have 1 atm, so using an Arche-gamble or something for "More Damage over Time"

[nocturne raft]

because my friend is playing AA build with mana conversion (mantra talent) and more mana would be great for him

oh wait nvm int dont give max mp

then i wish there was mana sttacking build XD

[white lagoon]

i honestly dont know havent done the math on it but i heard someone was doing shenanigans with it

but at least u should be able to get the same as the str stacking, which honestly is still a bunch

[nocturne raft]

well we were trying to get stuff for him to do more dmg but its a bit hard, there is a little stuff with physcial dmg on basic atk

hes using crosbow with shit ton of attackspeed and fireworks XD

[white lagoon]

theres also a few intelligence to mana uniques, and mana to attack damage

tho idk about the AA build, i think they go blood mage with hemorrage

[nocturne raft]

we saw ring like blood curse but its

whatever it means

[white lagoon]

Prophecy is the stuff u can get from prophecy coins in maps

Theres uniques which can only be gotten from there

And some need to be gotten on specific tier of maps

[nocturne raft]

ok so I though correcly just were omega unlucky i guess

[white lagoon]

It says, some 100, some 60, some 0

I think if u press shift it tells u in yellow text the minimum tier

[nocturne raft]

so it means from all?

[white lagoon]

Yep

[white lagoon]

Not confirmed but i think the best way of rolling for tier 0 uniques is in low tier maps because theres less stuff to roll between

[white lagoon]

this is what i had in mind for an int stacking magic shield based build, using magic shield for dodge and dodge for magic shield regen

gotta download it and put it into cte2 planner to see it, ill post screenshots as well in a sec

instead of chieftain, trickster, and crusader minstrel, tho ig it would also work and probs work even better with crusader elementalist, although would be missing the heal strength to magic skill dmg passive from minstrel

wait im trippin why tf am i taking netherrite bastion

let me redo this shi

smthin sorta like this

[crude rock]

ah ghast thats not worth it

[white lagoon]

whys that?

[crude rock]

les 20% is like worth damag with the right support gem

[white lagoon]

so ignore it and just get the dodge through trickster?