capitalism bad
#me no like capitalism dome
terse trout
dim quarry
There’s nothing wrong with making a profit
terse trout
as long as everything is fair then making a profit is morally right
its when it gets to the point of making a profit at the expense of human lives then thats when the business should be burned down
dim quarry
Capitalism is a concept really that’s been used as a sad excuse to run a country
You can execute capitalistic concepts ethically but when you literally use it to define human worth
And value that’s. Basically the USA lmao
robust niche
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terse trout
they made the exploitation of workers and a terrible sociology into a label so people feel like its something official they can trust
dim quarry
Nah I mean like
robust niche
USA is ass but every capitalist nation has this problem
dim quarry
How shelter isn’t seen as a basic need
robust niche
it's not seen that way anywhere else that's capitalist
hence why you only see massive public housing projects in China, nowhere in europe
dim quarry
“But that’s communism!!!”
robust niche
yes it is communism lol that's why communism is cool
dim quarry
We should invent a new country
robust niche
dim quarry
All these ones we have rn are ass
terse trout
imo true communism can never be achieved and we will never get close to it because of human greed
terse trout
We should invent a new country
thats what im sayin!!
robust niche
that shouldn't stop us from striving for the ideal
terse trout
imo true communism can never be achieved and we will never get close to it becau...
but the people who are scared of communism or anything under that umbrella are stupid
dim quarry
We should just go to Antarctica and live with the gay penguins there
robust niche
anyway play disco elysium
terse trout
We should just go to Antarctica and live with the gay penguins there
bit cold
dim quarry
Chilly
dim quarry
Ok for real though
I’m glad ppl are progressing into the “fuck this job” mentality
Bc really you’re not put on this earth to slave yourself away for minimum wage like that
terse trout
society is slowly creeping into realisation
dim quarry
And it’s ass that people don’t have a choice
robust niche
Bc really you’re not put on this earth to slave yourself away for minimum wage l...
Marx be like
dim quarry
Like man. At 18 I was working borderline illegal hours
My employer and I had agreed to part time hours but he’d been slowly giving me more hours
If you looked at the schedule really closely you’d also notice he’d always be putting me in the closing shift cause he was taking advantage of the fact I lived nearby lmao
Fuck you Micheal
terse trout
loud pecan
capitalism stinky 🖕🏻
terse trout
real
dim quarry
I was also paid once a month at a past job as if that’s how many times you buy groceries apparently lmao fuck this system
terse trout
monthly pay is a terrible concept
it makes it seem like you have more money than you do
dim quarry
That and like
Some months are longer than others
It doesn’t make any sense to base yourself off a measurement system of time that the pope created like that
Also it doesn’t feel like you’re really getting anything out of your job compared to getting a paycheck bimonthly
terse trout
i have a payment calculator spreadsheet if anyone wants it
it calculates everything for your pay
dim quarry
Ye I recommend using those if you feel somethings fishy also uh
terse trout
just put your yearly salary in and your weekly, monthly, yearly spendings
dim quarry
The idea that you shouldn’t talk to your coworkers about your pay is a myth and just so weird
terse trout
and it calculates everything including leftover money
terse trout
The idea that you shouldn’t talk to your coworkers about your pay is a myth and ...
its because if someone is being paid more they dont want everyone else to know
dim quarry
Like at my first job this girl was working more overtime than anyone else to pay rent and she just sees that a good significant chunk of it was deducted (about $500? Something like that) and when she confronted Micheal about it he said some bullshit about taxes even tho she’d already been taxed
Like. She already had the tax deduction and had been deducted more money anyways
terse trout
i hate the fact that you can factor bank holidays into your holiday time
dim quarry
I also got a raise of like. 10cents for not leaving the team like everyone else at some point which was some shit lmao
terse trout
it leaves you with 18 days to explore the world a year basically
dim quarry
Might as well not pay me
dim quarry
What was super . Super shit about working at my monthly paid job tho. Was the time we were at a holiday party n I realized that like. Everyone in that room (teachers, counselors, etc since it was a school) were ALL being paid once a month
Like idk something really clicked like. Damn even these people who have worked harder than me get that bullshit
Throwing yourself into the workforce once you turn 18 is some shit but it’s a learning experience
terse trout
my parents always go on about that i should go work a graveyard shift on purpose
dim quarry
Those only work for people who know it’s for them but eh
terse trout
for the sole reason that ill be scarred by it and ill know how minimum wage jobs work
dim quarry
Oh bruh
terse trout
theyre on some privileged shit or something
dim quarry
Boomers
terse trout
real
dim quarry
That’s some boomer mentality right there like bruh you think anyone else in this country gets paid
terse trout
this is a short text i wrote the other day, its not very good but im sending it here to keep a backup
dim quarry
Like lmao. My mom worked as a paralegal with a manager who didn’t ever give her a raise despite how she never took a day off and worked there nearly most of her career
Fuck that guy
terse trout
That’s some boomer mentality right there like bruh you think anyone else in this...
they also avoid paying for anything for me because im old enough to have a job
dim quarry
He’d also bitch about it whenever she needed take a day off for an emergency or needed to leave work for my brother
terse trout
i want to start a new country with better values, laws and systems
terse trout
Like lmao. My mom worked as a paralegal with a manager who didn’t ever give her ...
man ☹️
dim quarry
The guy also was an ass like
He literally told her, a woman born and raised in France that her French wasn’t as good as his
Anyways it’s good to hear some Starbucks and places r getting places with unions
stable spire
Yeah, a lot of Starbucks is are starting to unionize and there was a walkout recently.
dim quarry
Did the nabisco issues go under the rug or
They are also responsible for some heinous shit
stable spire
Hopefully their issues do not go under the rug, because the shit that they do on a day-to-day basis is absolutely fucking heinous.
The use of child slavery in order to harvest their cocoa beans.
The literal fact that they don't want water to be a basic human right.
dim quarry
Well you see
They run literally most if not all of the food industry
Which means that say some shit happens and they don’t exist anymore all that’ll be left for people to buy is more expensive food
Which ok as you know is it’s own catch 22
So they’re just using the fact that people don’t really have a choice
terse trout
shoutout to oingo boingo
stable spire
oingo boingo is such a based band
terse trout
Aren’t we run by like 3 companies in a trench coat
10 companies run the world
and a few of them you probably havent heard the names of
dim quarry
terse trout
its crazy
8 billion people, controlled by these companies
and basically controlled by 10 people
dim quarry
Well
See when you also turn to organic options you realize those people are exploited too
Like lmao uh driscolls
So you have all these new fad diets that promote healthier eating aren’t helping either bc like
Ppl buy from one company that ppl get exploited in only to buy from another lmao
terse trout
its almost impossible to escape without the whole world standing up at once
stable spire
That's the only way that it will work.
dim quarry
Not Dasani putting salt in their water so you can buy more lmfao
terse trout
there needs to be more people reaching out and waking people up
dim quarry
Well yes but thing is we have to be ready for serous changes
stable spire
We essentially have to all simultaneously stop buying everything or all workers have to simultaneously stop coming to work.
dim quarry
Like
We all just have to accept that we need to stop consuming ngl
However it’s a human need
terse trout
We essentially have to all simultaneously stop buying everything or all workers ...
if its organised properly its very much possible
people need to start growing food at home so they can provide for everyone
terse trout
and then its possible for everybody to quit
stable spire
Either one of two things, it either goes on long enough for an entire system to collapse or corporations budge and give into demands.
And, these demands are extremely huge!
dim quarry
The game was rigged from the start
terse trout
How when everything is a fucking freeway
back gardens, not much but you can maybe grow enough for a good few people
stable spire
Like a livable wage and being able to spend time with your family.
You know, not slowly killing yourself just to make basic necessities.
dim quarry
back gardens, not much but you can maybe grow enough for a good few people
This still takes time that people don’t have unfortunately
Like it’s not impossible or a bad idea
terse trout
its very possible if its done in small sections at a time
dim quarry
But with the way things are and the way in which peoples needs need to be met it just can’t work
Also having to rely on your own crops like that is
terse trout
if its organised that the surrounding area grows food for the area and then everybody mass quits their jobs
dim quarry
Dicey in the sense that anything can happen
terse trout
the companies will simply have to sell the buildings
and business will move out the area
eventually we can corner the industry by slowly making them move away into a specified area
dim quarry
if its organised that the surrounding area grows food for the area and then ever...
You mean community gardens?
stable spire
That would be amazing if the entire communities participated in public gardening for everybody to eat food.
dim quarry
Honestly yeah that doesn’t sound too bad and I mean there are in some areas
I’m not sure if they grow food tho
terse trout
one thing about capitalists is that they cant resist areas popular for industrialism
dim quarry
The only problem is the reliance on uncontrollable things like weather and nature really
terse trout
so if areas were cleared of industrialism the companies would either go bankrupt or move to a different area
terse trout
The only problem is the reliance on uncontrollable things like weather and natur...
greenhouses
dim quarry
And that’s sorta a mindset with industrialism that we just slipped from
terse trout
very easy to make tbh
with some clear sheets of some sort of rubber material its easy enough to make them
stable spire
I should really searching to greenhouses.
It would be dope as fuck to grow a bunch of fruits and veggies.
terse trout
the home made fuel can be used to generate electricity
the best fuel for the environment is biofuels
or bioethanol
theyre the same thing
basically just ferment any plant
most common method is to use corn for it
but people haven't started using the stems of the plant yet
either way
biofuels are the future
and can be used to generate electricity
terse trout
its also very easy to generate electricity using some copper wire, steel bolts, a few magnets and a wheel
dim quarry
if we used more solar power we wouldnt be fucking up our planet but thats cash money
terse trout
stick the magnets around the wheel, alternating between positive and negative
terse trout
then stick the steel bolt(s) through a table and wrap copper wire around it
very simple to make with an old bike
dim quarry
we need to breed one giant potato supercomputer
terse trout
spinning the wheel will give you an Alternating Current (AC)
dim quarry
the ph of this potato needs to be so good it powers every machine in the country
stable spire
Either that or we need to make a movable windmill that generates electricity!
terse trout
and its actually enough to power a lightbulb
batteries are very simple to make too
just be careful about ceramic batteries, they can be very dangerous
plucky chasm
me when if you live in the us and don’t live in a major city and can’t drive/dont have a car you are basically royally fucked
dim quarry
That’s uh
So you can buy a car lmao
It’s so Fucking stupid
Usa be like traps people in thier houses with suburbanite lifestyles man I wonder why obesity is a problem and why people aren’t working out!! Business is booming tho 🚙🚗
terse trout
me when if you live in the us and don’t live in a major city and can’t drive/don...
luckily you can make fuel at home which means cities are survivable when the industry collapses
terse trout
gonna buy some spray paint for a fiver i think
will be stenciling messages everywhere
terse trout
bought some red spray paint on amazon
need symbols for stencils
what symbols do i use my brain isnt working today
wicked gull
I fucking HATE capitalism!!!
robust niche
stable spire
terse trout
I fucking HATE capitalism!!!
so true..
stable spire
stable spire
dats gud!
terse trout
it was all like £15 for the ones on amazon that are a fiver
calm oar
any other anarchists here
robust niche
hi
calm oar
just be one
terse trout
im not particularly an anarchist because i dont believe that society could function without a group in power
calm oar
fair
terse trout
but having a group in power doesnt particularly mean a group that controls everything, it can mean just a group of people with a little more power than the rest
calm oar
understandable have a good day/evening/night
proven finch
it’s like those bees from black mirror
everyone knows a bunch of the episodes from series 3 because of the twink it’s like the best one BUT NO ONE REMEMBERS THE BEE ONE
i’m the only one who remembers the bee one
terse trout
everyone knows a bunch of the episodes from series 3 because of the twink it’s l...
ive never watched black mirror
seems a bit silly
my dad gave me 6 capitalism disks this morning
gonna buy me some capitalism items
calm oar
only time america won against a middle eastern country was during the world cup
proven finch
seems a bit silly
there’s some twinks sprinkled in a few episodes
calm oar
oh word
calm oar
zamn
terse trout
there’s some twinks sprinkled in a few episodes
MUST... WATCH 🧟♀️
robust niche
it’s like those bees from black mirror
this episode was good
I watched black mirror when there were just two seasons and everyone liked them and didn't call them cringe
I still like 15 million merits a lot
stable spire
there’s some twinks sprinkled in a few episodes
You sold me.
proven finch
I watched black mirror when there were just two seasons and everyone liked them ...
🙏
calm oar
where are my twinks
terse trout
where are my twinks
capitalism sold them :(
calm oar
im trying get me a dommy mommy
terse trout
this is NOTHING to do with anti capitalism!
terse trout
calm oar
literally 1984
stable spire
I'm going to become a twink and topple the capitalistic system to the ground.
terse trout
native iris
does anyone else hate having rights? i feel like we should give all our money to jeff bezos tbh...
stable spire
We should lower the minimum wage.
dim quarry
Wtf do you mean ppl “need” money smfh
Have you tried just maybe not buying avocado toast???
stable spire
SMH ALL THESE ZOOMERS AND THEIR STREAMING SERVICES!
calm oar
these younglings and their food bcak in my day we ate rocks and dead rats
terse trout
SMH ALL THESE ZOOMERS AND THEIR STREAMING SERVICES!
netflix pronoun
stable spire
netflix pronoun
hulu pronoun
terse trout
SO TRUE!
dim quarry
SMH ALL THESE ZOOMERS AND THEIR STREAMING SERVICES!
Ok fr Tho can we talk about how at this point you literally have no choice since there’s no point in getting cable for how riddled with ads it is
That being said there are tons of free streaming services so idk why people feel like they have to buy Netflix n shit
Peacock is one I’ve heard of but I can’t say ik much about if it’s good or not
Pluto and tubi r also some other popular ones
stable spire
Not only that, you can also find a lot of illegal streaming websites online or just download all of your media.
dim quarry
Being 20 years old in this generation is craving how everything once used to be free
Now mfs gotta slap a price and/or an ad on everything and anything you wanna watch
When you capitalize a service so hard that it renders it unenjoyable
There’s also copyright laws ig but hell I feel like at this point for some cases that’s a loose argument to just make something cost money
dim quarry
Not only that, you can also find a lot of illegal streaming websites online or j...
Throwback to when my dad restricted anything that wasn’t school related on my computer so I’d just download ouran highschool host club from a crusty YouTube link vid to watch directly on my computer
proven finch
streaming services have done so much damage to cinema these days
didn't the great pumpkin charlie brown get like stripped from being broadcasted on tv and is only available on apple tv
this is why i like collecting bluray dvds cuz u can't own media anymore
everything is controlled by giant monopoly that can abandon shows at a whim and the only things you can watch are bland mass marketed contentslop made to be a product
dim quarry
streaming services have done so much damage to cinema these days
Mfs literally refuse to admit that most Netflix originals are ass
Mid at best
proven finch
real
dim quarry
It’s so easy to just crank out a half assed product bc you KNOW they gonna eat that up
terse trout
mfw im answering everything to do with the working and upper class in english with "its because of privilege"
dim quarry
Well I mean that’s not wrong
At the end of the day when you’re governed by a plutocracy the rich just have the privilege to make up concepts like inflation
You think I can wake up one day and be like hm yes I think I’ll make it worse for people poorer than me because I want more money lmao no I fucking can’t cause I don’t have shit to begin with
terse trout
i hate poor people fr 🗣️🗣️🗣️
dim quarry
On that note it’s funny as shit that the dollar is literally turning into the penny
Worthless shit on god
Awesome economic structure that’s labor based but can turn right the fuck around and deem your labor worthless at the drop of a hat for profit
Kind of why I didn’t want to pursue anything in stem tbh
Or tech
tardy sorrel
fuck capitalism fr
dim quarry
my brother is going over the industrial revolution in history and how i explained it to him is basically just. so just think of things working but literally for one fucking guy
the guy working the register at your local mcdonalds or any food chain place or retail is more deserving of the billions of dollars these rich cucks are up to the gills in anyway
stable spire
Without the workers, everything crumbles.
calm oar
therefore we relvolt
stable spire
Workers unionization is the only way forward and multibillion dollar companies want to stop that.
terse trout
terse trout
this postal strike is making me consider protesting
and getting the workers higher wages
tardy sorrel
terse trout
frfr
stable spire
calm oar
dim quarry
Man this country Fucking sucks i just overheard that my neighbor has to sell some of her furniture to pay for her dying husbands hospital bill
Hell country hell country hell country 
Literally Fucking awful that ppl have to go to these lengths to afford care like. Insane shit
Like??! Insane that not only your husband is dying and you have to sell shit you might have had sentimental value over in regards to him to pay for the fact that he needs medical attention
terse trout
Man this country Fucking sucks i just overheard that my neighbor has to sell som...
nobody who runs america has any empathy
dim quarry
The system is literally designed to profit off people being in bad health Lmao it’s the most backwards shit
If you weren’t born in mint condition or are struggling with a health issue well looks like you’re gonna owe a hospital your entire life savings
Other countries systems aren’t perfect (don’t even get me started on how much France Fucking sucks) but man I hate it here, it feels so obvious that your goat is literally being gotten
Like lmao I have a dr appt today and in my head I know that if I say or bring up anything about my health they’re gonna try to fucking monetize it
Which is why you gotta ask for the price of a procedure first fellas, or at least an estimate- then maybe come back to them with if you want to do it or not or if you’d like to be referred to somewhere where the insurance may be able to cover it
calm oar
yes
terse trout
be nice about this guys voice and everything hes going through a rough time rn
but important news for everyone in the uk
especially if you have a bank account
tardy sorrel
be nice about this guys voice and everything hes going through a rough time rn
confused what's wrong with his voice
oh man fuck the tories good god what the hell is this
terse trout
confused what's wrong with his voice
his voice is a bit stuffy usually its not like this
terse trout
robust niche
terse trout
terse trout
jovial walrus
Money is just a symbol that is only as real as people allow it to be. There needs to be increased action and livelihood that is based entirely on value that is perceived independent of arbitrary monetary value. People just need to offer goods and services because of the emotional value of reciprocal gifts and relationship. No political system will solve this because any attempt to redistribute or organize wealth is just re-organizing human feces. Only psychological and cultural changes can solve this
People have become literally psychologically dependent on money to a ridiculous extent. The parasite has convinced the host that it is essential to the host's survival
proven finch
truth
terse trout
real
terse trout
he posted that fucking "they brainwashed you" meme
but the funny thing is the image has the twitter logo on the left person
proven finch
i hate the how the radfem fist ♀thingy symbol is used as a like general symbol of feminism
i would say the fist belongs with black power but it’s been coopted to hell too it’s just a general stock image now after blm protests
mark fisher moment
terse trout
symbol's meanings get more and more blurred over time
split charm
except this shit rules
terse trout
tardy sorrel
Holy fuck I hate capitalism like omfg
Me really wishing I found this forum sooner. Capitalism FUCKED my poor Post-colonial country and I hate it more than life itself
I mean, I guess I like living financially comfortably, but capitalism means too many companies privatize the shit out of every pinch of resource over here and it's murderous.
terse trout
theres more homeless in my town than ever now
tardy sorrel
theres more homeless in my town than ever now
Fuck's sake...
Homelessness I feel like is the number one most OBVIOUS way societies obviously "save" money blowing it on fancy, unimportant shit as opposed to helping human lives.
terse trout
theyre also a threat to the working in the way that society uses the homeless to scaremonger the working class into doing anything to keep their jobs
tardy sorrel
theyre also a threat to the working in the way that society uses the homeless to...
This too. Treating them like they ain't people too
calm oar
fuck landlords ALAB (ALL LANDLORDS ARE BASTARDS)
stable spire
They turned a thing that we needed to live into a profitable commodity.
The capitalistic system at work.
terse trout
split charm
barren ether
They turned a thing that we needed to live into a profitable commodity.
Nestlé Moment
stable spire
Nestlé Moment
Didn't the CEO literally say that they wanted to own water in its entirety?
barren ether
DID THEY???!?
stable spire
terse trout
never eating cereal again fr
runic gazelleBOT
@terse trout has leveled up! (10 ➜ 11)
barren ether
never eating cereal again fr
I don't like cereal anyway 😎
terse trout
I don't like cereal anyway 😎
CEREAL HATER DETECTED
terse trout
RAAARG
terse trout
ur probably american😠
barren ether
tardy sorrel
Ghost Vampire
terse trout
not too fond of capitalism xx
stable spire
The capitalistic system is pretty lame.
terse trout
imo peeing on everything would fix capitalism
calm oar
yes
tardy sorrel
terse trout
real
tardy sorrel
terse trout
not too fond of that guy
tardy sorrel
Err, well. Okay... Just shared for the reaction.
terse trout
no like hes a really bad person lmao
tardy sorrel
no like hes a really bad person lmao
Why's that?
terse trout
Why's that?
various bad things hes done compilation ive found (tw i guess)
no need to watch the whole thing but just know hes a lil weird
tardy sorrel
various bad things hes done compilation ive found (tw i guess)
Oh. I mean, from this example yaboi doesn't seem too out of the ordinary on social media, I guess
tardy sorrel
Fake picture comes off as parody of capitalism
terse trout
who would even want an underwater tennis stadium
tardy sorrel
Messaging for thread join
?
tardy sorrel
u can just follow it and it'll be in your list
vale pulsar
u can just follow it and it'll be in your list
Oh I had no idea that was an option
I thought you had to type something to join a thread
Thanks
wet cosmos
idk it didnt feel violent enough lol
waxen flower
hello chat we should abolish the value form
wet cosmos
theres still value its just stolen from workers bc we create value
my thinking is, we should all establish one big ass nation wide union and then everyone could buy puts in whatever company they work for and then we get rich off of striking
the SEC cant stop everyone at once
the proletariat inside trade scheme
vale pulsar
All market is bad market
wet cosmos
just like they bought a ton of gamestop and inflated its value, we bet against everything and stop working all together
wet cosmos
All market is bad market
nah just profitized a market
trade is still necessary for life
you can use technology to model an ethical supply side organization of trade without all the smelly CEOs and investors
vale pulsar
I meant market economy oops
wet cosmos
it just has to be completely decentralized where there is TRUE meritocracy for work; i.e. you earn ALL the value of your work
like more than enough for yourself
vale pulsar
Meritocracy doesn’t work either though
wet cosmos
im speaking literally about meritocracy
hard work isnt merited under capitalism... wealth accumulation is merited
thats why theres such thing as being "too value to promote" bc bosses want hard working, yet servile workers
marx used the term "more" for what modern day leftists refer to as "surplus labor value"
vale pulsar
im speaking literally about meritocracy
As a form of governance or like a general attitude of the people? What do you mean?
wet cosmos
general attitude
vale pulsar
That sucks though
wet cosmos
like ppl actually wanna show up to work bc they know theres a lot of money to be made instead of a stagnant wage that never compensates for inflation
TRUE meritocracy means everyone wants to work because they can make as much as they possibly can for themselves, not investors or CEOs
vale pulsar
But think of all of the other places meritocracy creeps into
You can see it irl with how people treat art
Things that do not have a perceived amount of “skill or effort” put into them are treated as lesser
But like you can apply this stuff to people and what do you get? Why are some things elevated more than others at all period?
Sorry I hope I’m making sense I haven’t sat down and actually had a conversation about this
wet cosmos
Things that do not have a perceived amount of “skill or effort” put into them ar...
thats entirely a social projection tho, plus art is innately subjective
wet cosmos
But like you can apply this stuff to people and what do you get? Why are some th...
not sure what u mean by this
i wont be annoyed at any questions btw, this is how we start thinking socratically
i appreciate a good thinker
vale pulsar
not sure what u mean by this
Merit is subjective, and judging things based on how much effort or skill is required to accomplish them will still lead to inequality
wet cosmos
merit exists when there is reward for action
money is the reward for labor or ownership over capital except the merit for labor has been waning for decades because of material interests
the bourgeoisie want us to work for as much as possible for the least amount of pay and vice versa
thus, limiting the merit for work
and increasing the merit for capital expenditure
if the means of production were held in common, there would be more merit to work and increase in productivity because more people are able to work for more money and for only as much time as they want
more people would also have time left over for creative endeavors
i would be spending more time making beats then slaving over a grill at chipotle
intellectual property hinders the merit for creative arts too just like private property hinders the merit for work
vale pulsar
I agree, I think on a basic level though I don’t agree with any secondary reward or overarching incentive for labor
vale pulsar
intellectual property hinders the merit for creative arts too just like private ...
I definitely agree with this
wet cosmos
I agree, I think on a basic level though I don’t agree with any secondary reward...
i think having some kind of credit or currency helps to quantify labor value and make it tangible
i dont believe communism in its true definition can be achieved anywhere outside of heaven
im more of an anarchosyndicalist
tryna be as pragmatic as possible ab trade
like i dont think everyone would be on board with working for no pay while taking everything they need for free because theres no tangible medium
it would be perfect, however
its still a nice goal to have
actually i just want China to take over the US i think Xi Jinping is based ML im sorry if thats problematic
im gonna make a goregrind song about Kim Jong Un, juche thought, and the DPRK annexing texas after they nuke every major city in the US
the white star on the Texas flag will be replaced with a red one
vale pulsar
like i dont think everyone would be on board with working for no pay while takin...
Well it’s not forced labor, I mean labor for labor’s purpose I think is a very real thing. People have done and will work for no other purpose than to get something done. I think it’s possible on a wider scale. People are eager to claim that things like greed are innate but they’re really just a product of what their environment allows them to accomplish over other people. If you remove even the incentive to have power over others I think you can combat these problems pretty efficiently.
waxen flower
that actually sounds hilarious
vale pulsar
actually i just want China to take over the US i think Xi Jinping is based ML im...
That’s interesting
I don’t think I vibe with many attitudes prevalent in Chinese culture, I think that might be my biggest personal issue.
wet cosmos
Well it’s not forced labor, I mean labor for labor’s purpose I think is a very r...
thats true, i just think having some tangible incentive that you can redeem upon makes it easier for everyone. Because working for the sake of getting the job done requires an absolute certainty of the future. That's where the keynsian economics comes into play.
Theres a job that needs to be done so long as someone out there is demanding it from you. the collective demand is what build circulation of value and production
the money is there to mediate the value and exchange
the problem isnt the money, its the capital accumulation
actually scratch that- its the lack of sovereignty. Law protects capital over people. Ideally, law should allow everyone to bargain collectively but people who "serve" the country are so corruptible. Thats why theres no labor party and why we manufacture consent from the population and we indoctrinate anti-communist sentiment into our children at such young ages
This new era of "Christian" nationalism makes the McCarthy era look like a joke
Christians have lost touch with radicalism. Jesus was a radical. So mf radical that the bourgeois state killed him.
vale pulsar
actually scratch that- its the lack of sovereignty. Law protects capital over pe...
Sovereignty of the people or the state?
wet cosmos
people
the state should follow the people; not the other way around
if anything, the state is selling sovereignty to corporations and billionaires
"voting with your dollars" isnt sovereign which is why the US isnt a democracy (you already know this lol im just goin off)
vale pulsar
But you draw that line somewhere right? Because Chinese citizens do not have complete sovereignty
wet cosmos
The Chinese are much more lateral in their approach to power
The Chinese are ruthless bc they see their approach as a necessary evil to protect the (people)
They understand that if capitalism is violent, they have to use just as violent means in order to abolish it
thats all what politics is at the end of the day- its who gets to do all the violence
not tryna sound like some weird enlightened centrist/ liberal
vale pulsar
Yeah but it’s also why they’re so slow to change yeah? Creating absolute authority of the state denies us our ability for social reform and progressivism
vale pulsar
thats all what politics is at the end of the day- its who gets to do all the vio...
I think I sort of agree with this
wet cosmos
theyre actually much more efficient in legislation
i think the unrequited neoliberalism has hindered progress in some ways
bc they dont know how to save money sometimes they get so high off of credit and expansion
also a lot of things such as the US withholding the pfizer vaccine is what contributed mostly to their draconian covid lockdowns
"communism with chinese characteristics" is like a crazy managerial form of capitalism
vale pulsar
theyre actually much more efficient in legislation
But this is why I said earlier that my problems are with “cultural attitudes.” The machine might be incredibly effective and efficient but these deep seeded cultural issues might take forever to change
vale pulsar
Like China’s treatment of lgbtq rights is where I’m pulling from in particular
wet cosmos
they dont think globally
countries that face a lot of western backlash have historically been fundamentalist in one way or another
iran for example
vale pulsar
Does Cuba count
wet cosmos
what was once a fairly liberal state
yes
iran used to be pretty liberal until the coup detat in 1953
vale pulsar
thats why marxists say "think globally act locally"
Cuba these days however is becoming increasingly more of what you describe I think
Vaguely
wet cosmos
bc they attempted to nationalize their oil supply and the UK/US said hell nah
wet cosmos
Cuba these days however is becoming increasingly more of what you describe I thi...
which makes sense because the liberal slant on leftism focuses too much on identity outside of class
class superseeds most other characteristics of identity
which is why a lot of leftist dont like identity politics
and rainbow capitalism has only made bigoted people more reactionary and hateful
bc they think its a legit threat to their place in social hierarchy
vale pulsar
class superseeds most other characteristics of identity
Oh yeah you can look back at Cuba all the way in the 90s providing completely free and total trans healthcare for people on the basis of “you are a worker and healthcare is afforded to all workers”
vale pulsar
My knowledge about AOC isn’t all encompassing but somethings do really piss me off
wet cosmos
im a hasanabi head so it makes me sad to see these socdems becoming so feckless
vale pulsar
Like the incident with voting on the iron dome
wet cosmos
i hate the fact that i love hasan lol
vale pulsar
I’m not very big on hasan piker
wet cosmos
Like the incident with voting on the iron dome
yeah exactly and the rain strike
hes just funny and says what im thinking a lot of times
rail strike****
vale pulsar
I’m sure it’s a criticism you’ve heard a billion times if you are a fan of Hasan, but regardless I do genuinely dislike not living what you are preaching
There is probably more nuance to his situation that maybe I don’t understand
wet cosmos
well that the thing, the amount of money he makes is still a drop in the bucket
vale pulsar
I think it’s the same attitude I treat any “celebrity” with
wet cosmos
thats completely valid
and is the reason i hate myself for liking him
idk i think content like his is still a necessary commodity for entertainment, its just that it would be a whole different story is things like Amazon and Twitch were nationalized
its a good place for noobs to begin digesting some theory, i guess
vale pulsar
I mean at the very least I don’t think the guy is ill intentioned or stupid, I’d probably give him the time of day to at least listen to what he has to say
Unlike idk
Vaush
wet cosmos
LOL
i just watch him bc its the closest think to news and entertainment without all the cringe liberalism
i cant even stomach NPR anymore
"rail strike will devestate the economy... landlords having to pay MORE money because of TAXES... oh those poor landlords" that kinda stuff
vale pulsar
i cant even stomach NPR anymore
Funniest thing in the world when people complained about NPR being too leftist when they are moderately liberal at best
wet cosmos
people who complain ab anything being too leftist has been successfully brainwashed by the state and media
simple as that
vale pulsar
Yeah I agree
runic gazelleBOT
@vale pulsar has leveled up! (49 ➜ 50)
wet cosmos
anything in the US at leasy
like, its no wonder more conservatives arent college educated when all they expect is "leftist indoctrination" lol
vale pulsar
Tell me about it
wet cosmos
it only helps the people at the top, too, bc the Reagan administration feared an "educated proletariat"
vale pulsar
I live in the land run by Ron Desantis
wet cosmos
WHOA
HOLY SHIT FLORIDA THATS
so funny
thats actually so bad im so sorry
i thought texas infrastructure was bad until i went to florida
vale pulsar
Actually probably one of the worst places in the us
vale pulsar
i thought texas infrastructure was bad until i went to florida
Yeah I live in Jacksonville too, which is rated as one of the LEAST walkable cities in the entirety of the US
Being born here is simply enough to radicalize a person like it did for me
wet cosmos
i need to wear a che shirt next time i go to florida
stable spire
i hate the fact that i love hasan lol
Completely unrelated to the conversation, but I love his content.
wet cosmos
yeah he makes my bisexual heart throb
stable spire
I'm happy that there is somebody that has a large enough reach to help people get de-radicalized and shit.
wet cosmos
oh im radical
i mean im suicidal enough sometimes i wanna fuck around and find out
my sister is T1 diabetic and often times i fantasize about k/lling the CEO of eli lilly
by injecting 6 weeks of insulin
watching them seize out on the floor
thinking ab every sick person they profited off of
every diabetic american that died from not being able to afford insulin
vale pulsar
Oh on the topic of class identity vs other aspects of identity. I wanted to mention this earlier but Marx makes a point in the funny little book about that essentially goes along the lines of “people as they are now in society are products of the bourgeoisie and will hold some bourgeoisie ideas.” Except Marx says it in the sort of condescending tone characteristic of the manifesto, you know how it goes. Anyway I think he’s entirely right, regardless of class consciousness and radicalization I am inevitably influenced by bourgeoisie ideas. I totally agree that we should focus on class solidarity and tear down other borders of identity, but at the same time I REALLY like remaining an individual in many aspects.
I think there will always be a conflict between the individual and the collective.
wet cosmos
Right and that’s where there’s compromise
There can be compromise between individual/ collective but there cannot be compromise between the bourgeoisie and proletariat
Bc if there was compromise between workers and owners, there would not be a need for anything different and we’d be living according to God’s will all the time
vale pulsar
There can be compromise between individual/ collective but there cannot be compr...
Yes definitely
wet cosmos
That’s also why I’m anarchosyndicalist bc work and production can manage itself on different levels outside of capitalism
Bc you can have co-ops, family businesses, and syndicates that all trade with each other so long as there’s compromise
And assets are held in common by all members of the family or co-op or syndicates with respect to each form
In my utopia, assets come with a “use it or lose it” policy, where by, if you don’t work with what you are given, someone else will and they’ll receive all the bounty they earn in exchange for their service
The CEO of chipotle isn’t making burritos, therefore, he doesn’t deserve any of the profits. His workers all operate and manage each store therefore they deserve all the profits
tardy sorrel
The CEO of chipotle isn’t making burritos, therefore, he doesn’t deserve any of ...
Although more and more people seem to be seeing it that CEOs usually just sit around making money off other people's work, I feel like the problem lies in the "implicit" work they say CEOs do. By having CEOs do trivial 'things' like business meetings or whatever, they can justify their position by saying they're doing 'work', when it's really not the same work.
vale pulsar
Bureaucrats are the scum of the earth
tardy sorrel
https://youtu.be/dC0m7bXX6Yg This #ü-tube video talks about honestly the best portrayal I've seen of a guy in a movie that is essentially "enabled" by capitalism. Pure monster
proven finch
paul dano screams like a little bitch in that movie
proven finch
real
proven finch
i won’t him
waxen flower
god.. yeah
stable spire
I actually never thought about that.
Paywall's literally stopping people from getting accurate information.
proven finch
tardy sorrel
This is concerning...
tardy sorrel
Yeah. Why do non-right-leaning sites have paywalls? I honestly thought left-leaning sites outnumbered right-leaning ones, at least.
Oh no no. Just the notion itself
tardy sorrel
Yeah. Makes sense.
calm oar
what if capitalism was good
waxen flower
nah
waxen flower
that's what im saying!!!
tardy sorrel
proven finch
good kebabs tho
vale pulsar
Hey friends I want to talk about hogwarts legacy for a second. Not in the way that you think though. I think the past few weeks have been dominated by discussion of this game and the morality of buying it or even playing it, and yknow as much as I love clanging my shackles together and eating slop in the pigpen like everyone else this has become something I want to talk about taking a step back.
First off, I’ll lay it flat on the table that I think it’s morally right to pirate and borderline refuse to consume harry potter media in any form. I don’t consume things made by bad people and that’s just the preface I’ll give you for my perspective here.
Anyways, I think this situation has really gone to show just how fucking useless trying to boycott or otherwise discourage this shit is? Like beyond just shitheads posting to twitter about how they bought 3 copies of the game just to “own da libz” it’s impossible to deny that this is one of the most popular monolithic franchises in the world. I feel as though the average consumer is not spending time on twitter reading these moral arguments, they’re buying the game for themselves or their kids or whatever. That’s just my inclination however and I’ll acknowledge it as only such, I’m going to link one of MANY articles that have now documented that the game has broken the world record for MOST viewed single player game on Twitch https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2023/02/hogwarts-legacy-breaks-livestreaming-record-tops-1-3-million-viewers#:~:text=Hogwarts Legacy streams have been,when it launched in 2020).
Aside from that, I mentioned how talking about this goddamn game has dominated these spheres for the past couple weeks and I really mean it. Keeping it in the public eye for this long that “this is a controversial and exploitable piece of media” will never go over well for the people trying to tear it down. I feel as though it’s a classic case of “bad attention is still attention.” And of course you have news channels like FOX here in America that are hopping right on it with such grounded-in-reality headlines like “Streamers may LOSE THEIR JOBS over playing “transphobic” game? Say goodbye to your career!!”
The point of what I’m getting at is that boycott is fucking weak and we are playing with the purposefully impotent tools that the system allows us to try and fight with. There is no real opportunity to perform the real direct action that’s needed because it’s too risky and no one wants to go to prison and/or die trust me I totally get it. But holy shit why are so many people content to just eat the slop that’s in front of them and fight really unhelpful battles that are ineffective even if you ARE in the right. I absolutely wholeheartedly agree that it is morally correct to want no one to play this game or consume harry potter garbage, but we have gone about this in an absolutely horrible way and the game is raking in revenue and an audience like crazy. What has any of this accomplished other than more fuel for alt right media to prey on reactionaries, or just giving more money to the people you sought to boycott in the first place.
vale pulsar
I should have added like “however I can” to the first bit or something. I understand the whole “no ethical consumption under capitalism” thing but like cmon dude you don’t HAVE to have your chik fil a sandwich or eat your little kelloggs cereal or whatever. I refuse to say that shit as some sort of cop out to remove responsibility and to just keep mindlessly consuming whatever I want. So, when I have the agency and ability, I try to cut as much garbage out of my life as possible. Like I’m trying to make the shift from spotify to just buying albums and using foobar2k.
I have a very similar take on when people say “separate the art from the artist” in regards to a bad person. Because I think it’s frankly just a MASSIVE cope most of the time, and no one ever does it to the degree I think that they should. Instead it’s just something you’ll say to deflect any criticism of your actions so that you can keep the status quo of your life as exactly the same and never have to put any effort into anything by lifting a finger to change something.
There’s more to my argument about that and I’ve had numerous conversations about it but I’m not gonna dump all of that immediately lol.
proven finch
boycotting it is like trying to boycott disney at this point
adorno if only you knew how bad things really are jpg
waxen flower
i cant believe every day adorno is proven right and right once again 😔
proven finch
so true
tardy sorrel
Felt this
robust niche
Harry Potter is one of the largest media franchises in history, no amount of shame is going to make it go away
stable spire
I can boycott a franchise or a company out of personal belief, but I have to realize that my actions are not going to have any significant impact.
proven finch
people have a view of geopolitics beyond marvel movie challenge
waxen flower
(impossible mode [hardest challenge])
tardy sorrel
It's situations like this that are pulling me out of this phase of my life of thinking that "anything left is objectively good". Frustratingly, humans are more nuanced than that (although I guess lesser of 2 evils applies here).
tardy sorrel
Isn't that where this is...?
tardy sorrel
Oh. For some reason it just said #1006319139905867887 last I saw this mssg
How specific
tardy sorrel
I just fucking realized something: capitalists are dedicating their whole lives to obtaining more money than they need and probably will ever functionally use. It's almost like a religion, or like learning a language you'll never really use. This seriously makes me question the purpose.
vale pulsar
Because in capitalism money becomes the thing that grants you social status and security not just for you but for your legacy
And that extends far beyond the point at which the money itself stops having value
tardy sorrel
Because in capitalism money becomes the thing that grants you social status and ...
To that, I say, if a resource was _ completely useless_ to you in your current life, just how useful can it be in the next one?
tardy sorrel
And that extends far beyond the point at which the money itself stops having val...
I assume this is referring to the social status and maybe even "security" side of Mazlow's pyramid scheme
vale pulsar
Yeah sort of
But I mean the number one way to secure power in america is through generational wealth, passing down blue blood money and ensuring that your family stays well off is arguably the end goal of the “average American way”
It’s funny though, because capitalism also isolates the common worker and strips them of their camaraderie, you live in a dog eat dog world. Which is why you end up having a majority voter based that is staunchly individualistic yet clings to “traditional values” like the american dream or whatever
That’s only my perspective though
tardy sorrel
It’s funny though, because capitalism also isolates the common worker and strips...
That's a lot, and I can never know how americans think exactly
tardy sorrel
But I mean the number one way to secure power in america is through generational...
But to this, I say, it does make sense, but it's becoming increasingly apparent how excess wealth to such extremes of having wealth you don't need is inherently harmful to a society that needs such monetary resources to survive. So it inevitably becomes thriving off meaninglessness.
tardy sorrel
Till the system is gone completely
Well, shit... Can we get a reading on that?
stable spire
I remember seeing that shit on Reddit and being in complete shock.
Literally, how do you respond to a man that literally says severe child abuse is a net positive for the economy?
Literal fucking psychopath.
I really hope that he faces some repercussion for that statement.
There's no fucking way that a man could say that and stay in government.
tardy sorrel
Shown here: white boi with insufficient emotional intelligence
tardy sorrel
Literally, how do you respond to a man that literally says severe child abuse is...
Yeah I heard this in a podcast. What got me is the white collar dude was so confident about it. He was just going on and on, probably said smthn with statistics too
It's evil, or it's another case of a vampire hiding in ivory towers and completely unknowledgeable of everyday human plight
tardy sorrel
https://youtu.be/pvRtNGW9Ajk #ü-tube
strong pine
as you can see capitalism is a very efficient system and it is the greatest system ever
proven finch
one could say capitalism is working exactly as intended and that’s bad
tardy sorrel
one could say capitalism is working exactly as intended and that’s bad
That is, indeed, bad lol
strong pine
^
proven finch
i criticize looking at systems as either “working” or “not working” if it doesn’t have like an explicit straightforward goal as the premise like it just reminds me of functionalism in sociology which was like just reflecting the status quo
tardy sorrel
i criticize looking at systems as either “working” or “not working” if it doesn’...
With all due respect, I feel like the labels of "working" and "not working" disregard the moral ramifications. Capitalism has wiped out most wildlife diversity on the planet, for example. This has been entirely necessary for it to "work", but does it make it right?
proven finch
yayayaya
tardy sorrel
Well, I guess I read into it differently, but I agree with that
Same thing as earlier, I didn't find the labels to really describe it as wrong at first, but you explained it differently.
So 👍
Also, I think I'm onto something here: Capitalism is the system that saves socially inept people from asking their neighbours nicely to borrow a toaster, or something...
Thought about this because I have former capitalist (as in extremely well-off) friends who I notice have extremely poor social skills (on one hand, arrogance, on the other, being deviant and awkward) but no grief whatsoever.
Thanks!
Extremely helpful search terms. Thanks!
tardy sorrel
I have a theory: The capitalists and conservatives that continue to promote human rights violations aren't just doing it for money. Maybe in the reality of being responsible for billions of dollars there's some level of paranoia. I theorise that they come from a place of trauma as a result of the paranoia, and are trying to spread the trauma they face from being arbiters of a corrupt system onto others.
proven finch
social sadism
tardy sorrel
social sadism
Interesting...
tardy sorrel
Idk if anyone can relate, but I've only met maybe like a couple of really rich people where I'm from (maybe 3 were friends until recent years), and... without fail, they've all been some of the weirdest people I've ever met. Not just bad. Not just religious. Not just obnoxious. But... fucking weird...
proven finch
horror movie stuff
tardy sorrel
Free e-books on different anti-capitalist things because FUCK vampires
The link should have certain free e books
6 free ebooks from Verso until 27th April (only two days)
-How to Blow Up a Pipeline
-Half-Earth Socialism
-Heroes
-Abolition Geography
-Dissidents among Dissidents
-The Cost of Living Crisis (and how to get out of it)
proven finch
i’ve heard the how to blow up a pipeline film is good
tardy sorrel
i’ve heard the how to blow up a pipeline film is good
There's a film? Lol well I know what Im watching (before reading).
tardy sorrel
so erm capitalism
What?
calm oar
idk
proven finch
proven finch
flutbershy
waxen flower
thats me when i see uh.. [looks at my notes] money? yeah im eating that shit
calm oar
yumm
late quiver
i hate houston car infrastructure
worst social engineering project ever: highways
my friend and i thought about how normalized a car crash is but when trains derail everyone looks for a different solution
waxen flower
FUCK highways
late quiver
at least in the US
waxen flower
i mean.........
proven finch
as a marxist i’m confused on what neo marxism is
it reminds me of when ppl say cultural marxism
waxen flower
most of the time ive seen people use the term seriously it's been incorporating post-structuralist and other postmodernist political theory into marxism
late quiver
yeah
in reality its just modern society in a marxist framework
and including civil rights as a very important aspect to achieving the removal of class
which should be obvious
but youd be surprised
many anti queer marxists and other communists ive met
proven finch
most of the time ive seen people use the term seriously it's been incorporating ...
wouldn’t that jus be post marxism
proven finch
neo seems like a weird prefix when post marxism is used more esp with autonomists and communizers
late quiver
yeah basically
proven finch
and including civil rights as a very important aspect to achieving the removal o...
i would argue civil rights are anti-marxist
at least in the legal sense
about to go jonas ceika mode
late quiver
well abolishing the need for a civil right in the first place iykwim
waxen flower
about to go jonas ceika mode
ZASED!?
proven finch
many anti queer marxists and other communists ive met
mostly mls
proven finch
most mls reject being called stalinists cuz they basically are
jus stan culture and orientalism at this point
late quiver
lol
waxen flower
i think a very funny leftism moment is when (especially french) post-structuralists are called anti-communist because of their open dislike of the PCF which is like
late quiver
stalin added nothing much to theory imo
proven finch
i would say lenin is overrated aswell
i am biased because he dissed lafargue my boy
waxen flower
saying left-communism was an infantile disorder as the title of your polemic is so fucking great though i gotta hand it to him on that one
proven finch
so true
waxen flower
"Lenin as a philosopher" ☝️🤓
"You are literally a baby" 😏
vale pulsar
it reminds me of when ppl say cultural marxism
cultural marxism is a neo nazi anti semitic dogwhistle
proven finch
ya that’s why i was skeptical
waxen flower
neo-marxism is too but just for peterson types
proven finch
yeas
vale pulsar
most of the time ive seen people use the term seriously it's been incorporating ...
eh, marxism and marx in general is a very modernist school of thought
waxen flower
literally true
waxen flower
what is my blud waffling about
vale pulsar
huh
waxen flower
do you mean that neoliberal economics are associated with the current (perhaps past?) post-modernist period?
vale pulsar
neoliberalism is directly correlated to the rise of postmodernism. Postmodernism, in the beginning, was largely a rejection of grand narratives, in particular marxism
vale pulsar
There are
I was going to say there are multifaceted issues that come up through postmodernism like identity politics
proven finch
recently i’ve been starting to say identitarian instead of idpol so people don’t think i’m trying to revive anti-sjwism
vale pulsar
neoliberalism is directly correlated to the rise of postmodernism. Postmodernism...
Not to correlate any one political thing with the whole of postmodernism, postmodernist philosophers tend to not really agree on much of anything even the things they actually agree with
Like uhhhh there's foucault he was a marxist, but also foucault was pretty stupid and generally just a bad intellectual
Deluze liked marx, but deluze would have hated it if you called him a postmodernist, even if he was
It's the nature of these things
It's so rooted in the ideal, the discourse, the free floating ideas separate from people. It's ineffectual and separative when it aims to do the opposite
"marketplace of ideals" god I love neoliberal hell
proven finch
wait so r u calling foucault and deleuze neoliberal or
vale pulsar
no sorry
Kind of like bringing them up as an example of the annoying and almost paradoxical stuff, it's hard for me to explain because I am very much a layman
laywoman
But it's every bad bitch's duty to burn neoliberalism to the ground 😎 👍
proven finch
i associate neoliberalism more with enlightenment stuff
vale pulsar
Like what
proven finch
and like fukuyama and german idealism kinda
tardy sorrel
restive spindle
11 out of 10 frenchmen agree, the PCF fucking sucks
RÉEEEEEL CAMARADE
NIQUE LE PCF
tardy sorrel
11 out of 10 frenchmen agree, the PCF fucking sucks
What's the PCF?
tardy sorrel
Ohhh. Never heard of them
But I am currently studying the Cambodian one. The Kmar Rouge?
normal rain
Where have you been?
runic gazelleBOT
@restive spindle has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)
normal rain
Should have guessed sry
normal rain
and like fukuyama and german idealism kinda
That would be neoconservatism more than neoliberalism no? Neoliberalism to me means like a modification of liberalism where some agencies get a pass at manipulating the market in specific ways : monetary policy, fiscal incentives, competition oversight.. that's the ideology but materially it usually yields a ton of moral hazard and pro business fuckery
It's more or less the current state of things
Oh shit I answered an old ass post