Subfolder structure for librarian minds

[quiet path]

Hi there. I think there should be a plugin for this coming soon #plugins message

[hard fiber]

Fantastic, thanks a lot, I was not aware of that
Is it gonna be integrated or officially supported?

[quiet path]

I am afraid I have no idea. You would be better off pinging Sawhney a message to get an update. It would be a plugin but hopefully something native can come out of it

[hard fiber]

Thanks a lot man, you are a life saver

[quiet path]

In the mean time, do check out this forum post by @potent vessel for some ideas: https://discuss.logseq.com/t/different-ways-to-structure-data/8819/37?u=alex0

[potent vessel]

lol I replied the same a minute ago in #italiano . @hard fiber check that

[hard fiber]

Sure, I think I'm going to stick to my set up for now, I have been using obsidian but logseq's tags are just on an other level, I will compleatly migrate once the plug in is ready

[hard fiber]

Hahaha, true, thanks a lot to you too man

[potent vessel]

About that plugin, it is not clear if it is supposed to be used to manage actual folders inside the graph folder or to organize pages in virtual folders inside Logseq only

[hard fiber]

@spice flume I would love an update and a bit of insight on the folder plug in

[hard fiber]

Great point, we should ask

[spice flume]

A few updates about how it goes.

initial version will be an abstraction on namespaces in a way that js fundamentally the same as namespaces just represented in a way akin to folder with dragging and dropping and stuff. Plus some neat ui tricks to hide stuff like long file names

Second phase is limited by the API but it is actually possible to create a 100% local web app that can asccomplish this. Could be an option as a sort of arrange items into folders button

[hard fiber]

How about the real pc subfolders?

[spice flume]

Won't be in real time. You'll have to click a button to persist changes to the PC level.

But should be automatabke so that it persist pretty regularly

[hard fiber]

I wouldn't mind to be honest, I just really need subfolders

I really love organizing that way on a macro level

[spice flume]

Completely get that. Just curious about ho important PC level sub folders are to you?

Why would they be more impactful than just within logseq?

Out of curiosity

[hard fiber]

I work with a NAS on my home network and I use it as an archive and everything is neatly separated in folders

My notes too

I just want my folder structure to reflect in logseq and modify within it

I don't know if I understood your question correctly

[hard fiber]

@spice flume

[potent vessel]

The approach I'd take (and will do when I will have some time) is a script that uses Logseq HTTP API to read some specific indented lists (that I'd tag with [[index]]) and build a folder structure on the filesystem (alongside the graph folder) containing only relative symlinks to the pages. I already a script that opens .md files in Logseq when I click on them and they are in a graph, so I would be able to browse pages as I structured in the outliner using fs folders

[hard fiber]

Why not just have folders like in Obsidian, Notion, Evernote, Roam Research ecc.

[potent vessel]

Organizing everything in a single hierarchy with no duplication of the same node is a problem

[potent vessel]

I was on the same boat, then I realized that the outliner let you structure in a ordered hierarchy Pages&blocks (using references), text, links etc. The way we normally organize files in folders in the file system is just a subset of the above, with the following restrictions:

1. Leafs (nodes with no children) would be pages
2. All the other nodes are text strings i.e. the title of the folder

Now that I realized this I don't see why one would want to apply the restriction of a filesystem-like hierarchy, since you can smoothly move between different kinds of hierarchies with the rules being in your mind and not imposed by the software 🙂

Example of a hierarchy restricted by classic filesystem rules 🙂

[hard fiber]

Tbh i like the basic pc style folder structure, documents in folder and then you can link them

So I can see my pc folders structure in logseq

[hard fiber]

Why can't it reflect the pc folder structure so if I change a page position in logseq it does the same in the computer

[potent vessel]

#1089097173150486558 message

[hard fiber]

So practically what I said, right?

[potent vessel]

@hard fiber yes, I never said I disagreed

[hard fiber]

My mistake, I misunderstood

Thanks for taking the time on creating the plug in (when you will have time obviously)

[amber comet]

Not sure if it's related, but Another Embed offers a hierarchical favorites/recents feature.

[amber comet]

Yes, your findings are all correct. This feature is not well documented and certainly some behaviors can be tweaked for better usability too.

1. The ordering of the items is just as you described and they are ordered by name by default.
2. Regarding the automatic updating, I have some techniques in mind that I'd like to try. BTW, Logseq currently has a caching bug related to advanced queries that yield wrong (cached) results when one has items removed (re-index is currently the only way to get rid of the cached result). New fav item causes hierarchy to disappear, this is a bug introduced by a DOM change in Logseq v0.9.x it seems. I can fix it.
3. I'll think about this, maybe a fix is possible.

BTW, this hierarchical favorites/recents also works with namespaces (or namespaces and page tags combined).

BTW, Another Embed also allows you to adjust the left sidebar's width by dragging.

[amber comet]

Another Embed is updated and solved points 2 and 3.

[flat ravine]

actually i've always wonder why this feature is in "another embed" 😂 it's so random
it could be a good plugin on its own

[amber comet]

😂 You're right, it was a quick idea I had and wanted to experiment with quickly and I was already having too many plugins.