#Yet Another Feedback on Feathers

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daring meadow
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While it seems the most commonly-suggested solution is to get more feathers from Weekly Quests. I think this is a bad idea, because it just puts a bandage (and a small one at that) over the real problem - these armory items can't be grinded for. We use feathers for 30 seconds, then we are locked behind another 7 days of just waiting, without being able to do anything.

My best solution that I have come up with is to either completely rework Weekly Quests and their rewards, or to make Simurgh Feathers obtainable from some other source that isn't locked behind just pure time.

Please leave your support and thoughts, hopefully this will get some attention from Plab copiumpoor

shut tartan
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the instant deletion is crazy

unreal heath
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right? I was about to put my 🔁 in

daring meadow
unreal heath
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and yes, I did read the whole thing

shut tartan
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gonna be honest only getting feathers is weekly

unreal heath
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ay I didn't delete it

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I'm not a mod or anything

shut tartan
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u sure?

prisma meadow
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THEIR A MOD

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UNDERCOVER MOD SPOTTED

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unreal heath
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yes I'm sure. My roles are "patreon" and "wiki" and "I like updates. Updates are good."

shut tartan
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oh i thought they actually fell for that i got so concerned

prisma meadow
daring meadow
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I know this has been discussed many times before, so don't 🔁 this.

TL;DR there's no tldr, read the whole thing

With the new Inner Power nerf, armory has become the most important thing endgame, after setting up the Idle stones. It is what allows Idle gameplay to supply players with the SP we need for those expensive endgame upgrades.

However, it takes a ridiculously long time to get a good armory setup. Swords, shields, and daggers just take a lot of time, but we're able to grind them (Badge Boosts for swords, Chest Hunts for shields, and Ascending Heights for daggers.

What I'm specifically talking about here is Boots, Armor, Helmets, and the new Axe. These all take feathers to craft, and currently this is a huge problem. Every endgame player will always complain about this, and for good reason.

Mouse121 and I have done the math, and the time it takes to get a Boreas Boots with Coin Pickup, assuming an average of 2-3 boots / week, is 13 weeks. That is a ridiculously long time. Armory should be something we can grind, not open 3 boots, get bad boots, and boom! Nothing more for a whole week!

Keep in mind, that this is non-excellent boots, and what about Armor, Helmet, and Axe? How long will we have to wait?

Plab, you cannot keep adding more items that require feathers, while also making said armory items necessary for soul gain (by nerfing Inner Power).

shut tartan
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you literally have a mod roll

daring meadow
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DONT REPOST

prisma meadow
unreal heath
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that's the patreon role

unborn sorrel
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goofy goofy goober

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prisma meadow
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I summoned him

shut tartan
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wrong copy we'll be right back

unborn sorrel
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armory was always the most important thing endgame

shut tartan
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literally a mod

unreal heath
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nobody cared until one of the craftables was good
(I wouldn't mind if the cost to craft boots / upgrade items was reduced a little)

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... isn't that a keyboard?

shut tartan
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whuh

unreal heath
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I'm not looking at the correct part of the screen. baka

daring meadow
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ight I give up apparently any mention of the word feathers in #1171812283337424918 is instantly bombed with 🔁

unborn sorrel
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to be expected KEKW

unreal heath
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what can we say
we want more feathers, and we want them naow

unborn sorrel
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people have been complaining for years

shut tartan
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i literally know nothing about this situation but i don't think adding more feathers solves the issue

unborn sorrel
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if plab was gonna change it he wouldve changed it

unreal heath
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nah it would resolve it pretty nicely

daring meadow
shut tartan
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locking builds behind weeklies is kind of a bad idea in general, if that's what this is about

daring meadow
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Make them not locked behind waiting a week

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Damn I'm a fkn slowpoke here

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Make armory grindable, like swords, shields, daggers

unborn sorrel
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you shouldnt just be able to grind for perfect armory items defeats the whole rng element

unborn sorrel
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daring meadow
unborn sorrel
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currently its 4 craftables and 5 farmables

shut tartan
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we should be able to grind for them, not fast obviously but not do something once a week and wait 6 days

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it took me around 40 armory items hitting 10% at 10 to get an excellent

daring meadow
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Exactly like I said, waiting 7 days to spend all my feathers on bad boots in 20seconds is just not it

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Idk why Plab doesn't change it? Like it's not gonna lose him money

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And I don't believe people would hate it

unborn sorrel
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but what if he hates it

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this is his game

shut tartan
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you would be an awful game dev

unborn sorrel
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real

daring meadow
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The success of a game depends entirely on the playerbasr

stray blade
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Feathers and scales too, obnoxious time gates

shut tartan
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the point of game development is to listen to the players

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stray blade
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Not if you started recently

daring meadow
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And if literally 99.9% of endgame players want something, it's dumb to ignore it for months and months

unborn sorrel
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unborn sorrel
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when he deems it necessary to update the feather system he will

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daring meadow
shut tartan
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correct, that isn't our point

prisma meadow
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It's been 11 minutes and theres already 68 responses

unborn sorrel
shut tartan
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can you

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read?

daring meadow
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Can you literally read canceremoji

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copper shard
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Can shield chests be made more common plz

shut tartan
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wait until he finds out about reading comprehension

prisma meadow
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I think I eated it

shut tartan
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real

copper shard
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Shield chests are the hardest things to get in the game

unborn sorrel
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dont see people complaining about that though do we 🙄

copper shard
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I’ve only ever had 5 shields before?

daring meadow
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"We aren't saying he should [bend over backwards to every demand the playerbase makes], were saying he should listen to us and adjust accordingly"

shut tartan
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oh my god danni knows how to read this is insane

prisma meadow
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New craftable
E g g
30 dragon eggs
100 feathers
Gets you a shield

shut tartan
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unlike. someone else.

daring meadow
prisma meadow
unborn sorrel
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personally i dont agree with it

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but thats still his chocie

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unborn sorrel
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if he were going to change something hed of done it constantly complaining about it for over a year hasnt gotten us anywhere

daring meadow
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And it's pretty much objectively a bad choice, and given his past interaction with the playerbase, I don't think he will make that choice

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Maybe he's just busy with AoT and currently working on it

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Just don't know why he's ignoring us

unborn sorrel
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thats up to him

prisma meadow
shut tartan
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bro does not understand

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dying rn

daring meadow
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I now have mixed feelings about Plab now

prisma meadow
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Do not question the blap

shut tartan
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where flap

unreal heath
daring meadow
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Looks like there's one thing I learned from posting this, and it's the fact that you shouldn't ever mention feather here

unreal heath
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(and that Kishar Boots work just fine, raising your "odds" considerably.)

prisma meadow
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😱

unborn sorrel
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theres is a 5.61% chance you get an armory chest per chest hunt that means to get a kishar with giant souls requires 630 Chest hunts now sure thats grindable but are you really going to be grinding that many chest hunts you say you want more grindable methods but its not like theyre any better

unreal heath
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Yeah, there are time-gated mechanics in an idle game. It comes with the territory, does it not?
Sure, pulling 2.6 (on average) boots per week isn't exciting. Getting a pair of boots with Coin Pick Up Bonus is, at most, a 26% chance. 17.3% if you don't include Adranos.
2-3 weeks on average for an "acceptable" pair of boots is more than fine. That's just the meta, though.

unborn sorrel
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precisely noone is forcing you to go fully meta armory its complletely fine to level adequate gear to progress whilst going for the meta gear

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maybe its partially our fault that players dont want to level less than perfect gear and withhold until they get a gear worth it in their eyes

copper shard
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It’s completely fine to level non-excellent gear too

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If they have good stats and can hold up definitely level them

compact quest
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What if there was some compromise like keeping the weekly quest, and also having a new divinity so theres a low % chance on getting a single feather on something like a perfect bonus stage 3 clear, ascending heights perfect clear, or boss kill in under x seconds?

To be clear, not saying all of those options should have that in place. Plab can pick just one of those options and tune the % chance as low as he would like it to maintain rarity while allowing the active player base to very slowly make progress.

Hell, if they want to make it REALLY restrictive imagine it being a low % chance of getting one for getting diamond in the ODM mini game or only during limited time events

waxen summit
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Part of the problem here is allowing new players to advance—obviously (due to this being an incremental game) newer players will never be able to catch up to the older players, and that’s okay. But the difference in my opinion should be a spear achievement or two, not significant endgame progress. I certainly don’t like the thought of perpetually being an update or two behind because I took a year or two off of playing before returning. Now I’ve managed to get an acceptable armor, but that leaves me with helmet, boot, and axe to get. So 3 weeks is fine for existing players, but what about new players who have to do that four times over? And by the time I get fine gear I’m sure more will be introduced and I will be perpetually behind.

daring meadow
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Exactly what I'm talking about