Atari VCS and theGAMEPAD mappings for SDL2 | GameMaker Kitchen | Page 2

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:21 PM

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what gets released is Just the Library

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many test cases are stale

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:21 PM

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almost moot point until it gets updated

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:21 PM

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the gamepad tester is pretty stable though

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for Your Game purposes, should be good enough to just back up your config scripts, delete Input, reimport Input

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:22 PM

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Thats really the ONLY TEST in there I am concerned with

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:22 PM

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that's what we've been telling people to do, anyway

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juju documents breaking changes quite carefully

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so should be no/little issue keeping up to date

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:23 PM

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arctic pasture Thats really the ONLY TEST in there I am concerned with

for purposes of VCS controller wrangling that's all we need for now i think yeah

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most of the stale tests will be for old/outdated features that are since-improved

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:23 PM

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Thats what I was thinking. Input is very well maintained and appeared to have that non-breaking professionalism it deserves

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:24 PM

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yeah a good number of Input's contributors do GM stuff (particularly mobile/console) as at least part of our day-job employment so

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motivated to keep it production-ready

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:25 PM

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Basically, I could just remove Input from the tester, and replace the newest release and go on about my business there

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I had been downloading a fresh version each time

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For practicality, 5.5.2 is fine for what we are doing anyways

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:27 PM

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probably easiest to just grab the last release and if you really need to wipe from scratch just delete and reimport yes

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if versions change While We Work on this doubtful anything will break

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(except 6.0 which is major changes but i think we'll be done first)

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:28 PM

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I wanted to know for my games the stability and what to expect

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We should be

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:28 PM

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best is to just settle on a version of Input and see it through until your project is done, though updating shouldn't be too painful

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external stuff like mapping data can be updated independently of Input version

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:29 PM

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At the rate of your delivery, we may want to move forward where I get the mapper made so we can add it THEGamepad 😉

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I am teasing

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Its all you. That mapper doesn't matter to me if it goes in now or whenever you get around to completing it

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:30 PM

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i still haven't pushed any of our findings to Input technically, just upstream to SDL

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:31 PM

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No worries

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No hurry

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:31 PM

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glad to put a pin on and call it done whenever though, don't feel too obliged to dig into Linux stuff since I do have Herbs stuff already in there and it's probably Good Enough if not Perfect

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:31 PM

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Not sure anyone is dying to get that

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:31 PM

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yes only you and i.. for now

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honestly i think the CD32 is probably the worst console controller ever made. or up there. part of the motivating factor in buying one

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people can manufacture nostalgia for literally anything

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:32 PM

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we be special

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:32 PM

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hideous beast

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press green shuffle to make mario run

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:33 PM

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Its unbelievably a comfortable controller despite its looks
I NEVER thought that until I got the A500 mini

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:33 PM

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(just kidding nothing beats the zeebo boomerang)

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:34 PM

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arctic pasture Its unbelievably a comfortable controller despite its looks I NEVER thought that...

they definitely polished the turd, looks like a fine enough snes-style pad to me.

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:34 PM

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AGREED

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I am curious what your thoughts are when you have one in hand

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:35 PM

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tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 2:35 PM

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humble fjord (just kidding nothing beats the zeebo boomerang)

the boomerang looks like something an Aussie company would make

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:35 PM

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its the brazillian wii remote

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:35 PM

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It does!

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 2:35 PM

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pugthink

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Are Brazillians Aussies?

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I must now know if they are my people or not

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:36 PM

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No one told us that Brazil exiled their inmates there too!

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 2:36 PM

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hahaha

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All I can find so far are interesting boomerang designs, bikinis with boomerangs on them and a armchair that's designed in a similar way to a boomerang

brazilian-boomerang-demountable-easy-armchair-attributed-to-jose-caldas-1958-9.png

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:39 PM

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I like that

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 2:39 PM

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Me too

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:39 PM

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Nice yard chair

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 2:39 PM

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Want to know the price?

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:39 PM

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yes

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 2:39 PM

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Gonna cost ya an organ

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AUD btw

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If the A wasn't clear enough

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:40 PM

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Just a few pennies

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 2:40 PM

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ah yes

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Not too bad

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:41 PM

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Look. I have a chainsaw. I have trees.
I'll make one

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LOL

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 2:41 PM

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You can make a log-based boomerang armchair pugthink

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:41 PM

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BOOM!

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:42 PM

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ontario people are obsessed with adirondack chairs, not certain they're really even a canadian thing though

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:42 PM

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Naw. NY thing

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Adirondack is in NY

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State, not the mess of a city

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😛

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 2:43 PM

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Yeah reading it up online, it was designed/made in New York

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Muskoka chair

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Interesting

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:44 PM

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Yeah I thought there was CA version

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 2:45 PM

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muskokan cottage people would try to claim a NY chair 😒

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 2:46 PM

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lol

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like-likes

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Something I have been amused about is when countries say the term "Stupid Americans" - knowing they mean USA
But when you really look at it - they are insulting EVERY country in both North and South America!
😂

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I know we have some seriously stoopid peeps here!

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 3:15 PM

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@humble fjord I saw you removed the offset
You may want to remove it from the function declaration too 🙂

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I also see your point about NOT making _default_value auto set to 0

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très bien mon ami

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 3:29 PM

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👍

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 3:32 PM

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After running rabbit holes and not staying on task well... I finally tested it out on macOS
It works like a dream 🥰

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Android... I need to set that up to work on either OS
Pretty sure I will need to download some devkit for GM to build to it

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 3:44 PM

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oh i can provide the apk 🤔

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 3:45 PM

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arctic pasture Android... I need to set that up to work on either OS Pretty sure I will need to...

Assuming you had mobile export, just Android Studio mostly

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but yeah alynne could provide the apk

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 4:02 PM

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hmmm looks like i also am not set up to build Android at the moment 🙃

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later then

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 4:05 PM

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F

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I should be

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I am yes

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 4:10 PM

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if u wanna stick this in the gamepad tester readout somewhere be our guest

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 4:10 PM

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tribal schooner I am yes

🤝

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string(input_vcs_twist(0))

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 4:14 PM

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One moment

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 4:15 PM

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(make sure to run in windows before pressing the APK button so save yourself sorrow)

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 4:18 PM

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Well my current sorrow is despite having my Android stuff setup, GameMaker is just failing upon running the executable (and not just in Input...)

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🥴

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oh

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I see

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Miscopied my settings

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@humble fjord slapped it underneath the gamepad stuff on the left

📎 input.apk

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 4:26 PM

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that's for @arctic pasture 😉 thank u

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i hope its legible lol 🔍🤨

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 4:26 PM

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It didn't crash on Windows so I'd say that's good lol

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 4:28 PM

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Sweet! I did add Android on the mac, but not the Android Studio. Will set that up later.

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 4:28 PM

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👌

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 4:29 PM

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I stepped away from my mac, but I will grab this and place it on my droid

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On the Droid now

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Just got the app
Gotta add the gamepad

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Input is NOT working

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it runs on the droid

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BUT the VCS controller isn't recognized

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 4:36 PM

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oop

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@humble fjord any thoughts

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 4:36 PM

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I am gonna try exiting it and restarting

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Also, when you compiled, did you grab the latest gamecontrollerdb.txt?

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 4:38 PM

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Hmmmmmmm well, I was just compiling not to grab anything else so lol

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 4:38 PM

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It should do something without it, but this has all the mappers

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LOL

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 4:38 PM

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Lemme go do that

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 4:38 PM

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no worries... stepping away for a few minutes

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 4:41 PM

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arctic pasture no worries... stepping away for a few minutes

📎 input_again.apk

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 4:43 PM

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arctic pasture BUT the VCS controller isn't recognized

look at right side, not showing up ?

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even if its not in the db it should do... something

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 4:52 PM

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humble fjord even if its not in the db it should do... something

True, but it did nothing at all on either side

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I just got back so will restart

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it does something after restarting

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not mapped but sees it

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gonna grab the latest Tubular made us and try again

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It actually looks good using Input on droid 😁👍

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The mapper doesn't seem to be working

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 4:59 PM

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whyy

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 5:01 PM

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It is still going to the leftx

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@tribal schooner did you by chance rename the gamepaddb.txt to sdl2.txt?
It seems like Input still has the old mapper

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 5:03 PM

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Well, it seemed kind of silly that alynne advices against it, despite the fact there's absolutely nothing for gamepaddb.txt

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Unless alynne is looking for all blanks??

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 5:03 PM

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I always replaced sdl2.txt's content with the gamepaddb.txt's content

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 5:03 PM

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That's what I did

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 5:03 PM

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hmmm

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@humble fjord we really didn't test the VCS mappers after we pulled them, so this may be that fallout

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I am speaking purely on Droid

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Mac and Windows were both fully tested

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I have to run some errands in a few minutes so I will come back and finish setup of Droid to work on the Mac/PC for compile

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I will have a go at seeing what I can find on what its doing

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@tribal schooner YOU ARE AMAZING help either way so THANK YOU for trying 🙂
Its like this for the VCS at all levels

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 5:08 PM

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arctic pasture <@121117482210689024> YOU ARE AMAZING help either way so THANK YOU for trying 🙂...

I do anything for Input sunglas ❤️

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 5:08 PM

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I am eager to get to the bottom of this
And we will 🙂

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 5:10 PM

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SCmyman

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We shall

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 5:42 PM

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yeah dont worry all lol

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everything is exactly as it should be

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ill take a look when i get home but im pretty sure i know whats up

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no issue

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problem 1, name is wrong

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problem 2, https://github.com/JujuAdams/Input/blob/6894b411b6d40b85154883f52f6b39417f295903/scripts/__input_gamepad_find_in_sdl2_database/__input_gamepad_find_in_sdl2_database.gml#L50

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swear i fixed that one but 🤷‍♀️

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 5:56 PM

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I'll be up for maybe another 20 minutes

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 5:56 PM

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i won't beat u home but if u want to build again i updated the pinned script

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and just delete that line i linked

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just full out delete sdl2.txt please

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and dont include gamecontrollerdb.txt

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dont worry too much tho all this can wait no hurry 😉

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 5:59 PM

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humble fjord i won't beat u home but if u want to build again i updated the pinned script

Done

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 5:59 PM

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danke

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 5:59 PM

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humble fjord and just delete that line i linked

And done

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 5:59 PM

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humble fjord and dont include gamecontrollerdb.txt

And done

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 5:59 PM

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also done

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 5:59 PM

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@arctic pasture

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actually wait

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Hold on

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okay yeah it's good

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📎 input_again2.apk

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@humble fjord I have two input folders and I kind of thought for a second I've been deleting sdl2.txt from the wrong one lol

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One for your stuff, one for jujus

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ASevil

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 6:02 PM

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Y’all rock! Love working in teams like this 🥰

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I’m still out but I will grab and test to report results

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 6:02 PM

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👍

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 6:02 PM

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Prolly another two hours

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Waaaaay past your bedtime @tribal schooner

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 6:03 PM

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arctic pasture Waaaaay past your bedtime <@121117482210689024>

yes... bedtime

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 6:04 PM

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Happy Easter! 🐣

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 6:04 PM

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Just another day for me drinking

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But ty

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 6:04 PM

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Yep

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 6:05 PM

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Only reason I'm still up at all is cause I'm just deving on stuff

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Been reworking my audio library over the past couple of days... Coming together very nicely

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 6:05 PM

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Here! Here! ONLY reason to be up that late 😁

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 6:05 PM

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catyes

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Sonus.AddIndex([
    "ui_menu_popup_message_04.ogg",
    "ui_menu_popup_message_022.wav"
], "ui_popup");

Sonus.ui_popup.SetPitchRange(.5,1);

Sonus.ui_popup.SetEffect(0, AudioEffectType.Reverb1, {
    size: .2,
    damp: .2,
    mix: .7
});

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An improvement, given the old way was... Messier lol

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 6:06 PM

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Nice

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 6:06 PM

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SonusGroupAddSound(snd, "ui_popup");
snd = SonusIndexAdd("ui_menu_popup_message_04.ogg");
SonusGroupAddSound("ui_menu_popup_message_04", "ui_popup");
snd = SonusIndexAdd("ui_menu_popup_message_022.wav");
SonusGroupAddSound("ui_menu_popup_message_022", "ui_popup");
group = SonusGroupGet("ui_popup").SetPitchRange(1,2);
snd = SonusIndexGetRandom("ui_popup");

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Adding external sound support and all that jazz for my own game (modding integration)

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 6:07 PM

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I have a sound/music manager too, but prolly not so complete as yours. I may end up grabbing it 🤷‍♂️

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I built it

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I gotta digest Input first
I literally joined this server when I started messing with it. So I still need to get it added into my latest project

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 6:09 PM

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Very nice

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Would love someone besides me giving feedback to it tbh haha

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 6:10 PM

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arctic pasture I gotta digest Input first I literally joined this server when I started messing...

All in due time 🙏

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 6:13 PM

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Best part is I’ve learned a lot by need since alynne and I have started down these mappers

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IMO that is the best way to learn

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Crash and burn baybay!

tribal schooner Apr 8, 2023, 6:14 PM

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ASevil

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Yeah it’s been an adventure for me too

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Especially between building iOS test apps for alynne and buying new controllers just to get their mappings covered

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Kind of figured out how the mappings get done too

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 6:35 PM

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Yeah same here. I wanted SDL2 mappings and it appeared GM had a way to do it but I was sadly disappointed to the degree it really didn’t support that as I thought

I went on a search for any support on how to institute such a thing and found Input. The rest is history 😁

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I hand crafted the mappers using alynne’s sdl2 guide in Input and after that, I joined this server

Since then I evolved more with it and realized that the SDL Gamepad mapper was more robust than I thought. Somewhere I read it has a need to be checked before just using its mappers for new controllers. Thats actually why I just forgone that tool and built them by hand; learning enough to be dangerous but seemingly worked

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All the while I had no idea what I was reading and reviewing was alynne’s 🤣

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Good stuff

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 6:46 PM

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relevant https://github.com/JujuAdams/Input/issues/641

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 6:49 PM

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LOL
I’m a “sicko”

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 6:53 PM

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yeah (one element of) my scheme to whittle down our final bit of vcs-related stuff to a very small commit that lets you get the twist behaving with public Input features and not too much guts-wrangling

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 6:59 PM

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Yeah thats the best route

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 8:54 PM

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Finally back aaaaaand I grabbed a spiffy new USB 3.0 storage drive to install Linux to use on one of my VCS consoles 😁

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Its not the latest gen but good ‘nuff

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 9:07 PM

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tribal schooner

boop

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 9:26 PM

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This is what its doing. Look at left right and a0

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I’m gonna mess with Linux for a bit and see about Android setup with GM. Already added the stubs for the VM in Mac

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 9:35 PM

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why is it now "classic controller" where did "atari" go 🥲

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different mode ?

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 9:36 PM

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arctic pasture It actually looks good using Input on droid 😁👍

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humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 9:38 PM

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arctic pasture This is what its doing. Look at left right and a0

yes the mapping will be wrong.

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i instructed as much out of elf for a reason

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the question is if the twist checkers works

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looking like no

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since "Classic Controller" is too generic for me and GUID can be unreliable i'm gonna need the result of gamepad_axis_count, gamepad_button_count and gamepad_hat_count for the device which means back to the testing data we go...

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a10, b46, h1

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dear lord lol

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ah right. we have 2 guids.

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did you check if both of these had the same mapping ?

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 9:43 PM

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humble fjord different mode ?

BlueTooth connection\

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VCS Mode\

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 9:44 PM

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wait no my bad, same GUID ?

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 9:44 PM

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I thought so. I can re-run the app we used to get the Android mappers

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 9:44 PM

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35643263313264386134376362363435

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yeah we're all good. it's just another typo on my end, sigh

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 9:46 PM

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lol

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Its OK. We all have them

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Can you rebuild and we try again?

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I know Elf did it last

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Surprised you don't copy and paste

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 9:47 PM

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can do I think

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 9:48 PM

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esp GUIDs

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 9:48 PM

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yeah i don't type guids lol

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not that kind of typo

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 9:48 PM

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Thats all I do

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 9:48 PM

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outright mistake more like

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i mistook our descriptions for the device's

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 9:49 PM

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Ouch

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lol - I overkilled on the storage stick's size, but 256 wasn't available and the options for 128 were junk so I went for the 512 GB USB

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It’ll do

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 9:52 PM

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looks good

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housemate has used this same stick for basically everything for many years lol

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 9:55 PM

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Yeah I don't mind these

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I like Patriot more, but for a quick Wally-World pickup its decent

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I gotta screw about in the Atari VCS forums to see where the instructions to install Linux on the drive...
Atari made it less than intuitive

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Its also specifically locked to using security enable only OSes

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 10:00 PM

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🥲

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 10:00 PM

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Like Windows 8/8.1/10/11
Or any Linux distro that is

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 10:01 PM

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ok yeah i officially am not set up for android at the moment lol

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 10:01 PM

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Yeah its OK

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 10:01 PM

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i'll edit the script post once more tho in case you or elf get to it

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 10:01 PM

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I won't hold that against you... this time!

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LOL

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 10:02 PM

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;-)

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i will have to get this working regardless eventually so if not sooner, later

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 10:02 PM

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Yeah no worries

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 10:03 PM

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humble fjord i'll edit the script post once more tho in case you or elf get to it

doon #1090171528206893107 message

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 10:03 PM

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I think I will just concentrate on Droid

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 10:03 PM

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nap for me

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 10:03 PM

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Yeah you stay up late too

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seems you are up all over the day/night

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 10:03 PM

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haha

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o7

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many have remarked the same

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there's reason to it but.. my reason

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 10:04 PM

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o7?

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Nothing wrong with what you do...

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I don't judge

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 10:04 PM

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saluting

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lazy salute

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 10:04 PM

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I do similar

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ah

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 10:05 PM

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yeahh.. i like to have a consistent sleep schedule but family challenges and pet challenges and life happening and etc.

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 10:05 PM

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Just depends on what I am doing and for whom

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Understood

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It seems to me that you free-lance?
If that is true, you may do work around the globe; so being up to meet up with clients is a must
I just have that feeling you free-lance. I could be waaaaay off 😉

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I did work with Indians as in the country of India... so we had some strange hours going on

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At this point, I work locally so I no longer need to do that

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 10:08 PM

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yeah your assumptions are mostly right

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 10:08 PM

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But my position is heavy in the work load and long hours endure

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 10:09 PM

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i do contract work through a recruiter mostly these days not really freelance but not too far off

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 10:09 PM

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Similar

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 10:09 PM

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and right now i'm housesitting between contracts for a few weeks

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 10:10 PM

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income is income

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 10:10 PM

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oh haha housetting doesn't pay just family favours

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i'm looking after my mom's dog who is used to waking up super early and since i'm more of a late-morning-late-nights person the dog's schedule has had a funny effect on mine

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which is like going to bed after dinner and waking up before sunrise

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anyway.. good luck with android 👍

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and elf if you see this before computercoder gets android built.. script update is in the pin ;-]

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 10:15 PM

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I will be on for a bit. Tag me if you need me

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 10:44 PM

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This works in Windows flawlessly

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off to Mac

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macOS is also flawlessly working

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 11:00 PM

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ok =]

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 11:00 PM

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Working on Droid

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 11:01 PM

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arctic pasture lol - I overkilled on the storage stick's size, but 256 wasn't available and the...

keep thinking about this embroidered sd card sweater

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 11:01 PM

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So nice

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 11:03 PM

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also just recieved a preview from a painter i commissioned a few little canvases from for the office....

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 11:03 PM

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Mac version of GM did some realy wierd stuff when viewing the GML - its SUPER SMALLyet the window itself is the normal scale... grrr

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 11:04 PM

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weird haha

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 11:04 PM

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lol I typo like that... yep. That's me. e and i

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 11:05 PM

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o i didnt notice

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odd but maybe a retina thing or sthng

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 11:05 PM

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look how I spelled "wierd"

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 11:06 PM

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indeed

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🧐

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 11:06 PM

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Awe you're trying to help me out! ❤️

humble fjord Apr 8, 2023, 11:06 PM

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no !! i didnt notice !! until you pointed it out lol

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like the saying goes, i before e except in most cases where its not like that, actually

arctic pasture Apr 8, 2023, 11:07 PM

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I'll get a pictuire in a bit so you can marvel in its sheer awesome-ness

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Its just the North Cackalacky comin outta me!

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(North Carolina is also referred to by this name too)

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As is South Carolina

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Means Country Hick

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Android Studio Electric Eel coming now... Apparently I have Droid 10 (API 29)

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What version does GM default to?

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I guess whatever you have for an API installed

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 12:14 AM

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wow. My OS version just missed WiFi debugging and running over ADB 😢

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Thankfully USB works

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Just finished setting up Android Studio... And installed the USB drivers from Samsung

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Next is to see what trouble I can get into with GM

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🙂

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Looks like I'm in business!

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 12:39 AM

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Well. The fun just continues with Droid...

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Android Studio Electric Eel has an issue with the JRE location in the current release, and its not gonna be fixed until later this month

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In order to use Electric Eel, you need to copy the contents from the jbr folder to the jre folder; making sure you leave the structure and file contents intact that existed within the jre folder

C:\Program Files\Android\Android Studio\jbr
C:\Program Files\Android\Android Studio\jre

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After all that fun... I still get another error...

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I feel I am close

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What I am wondering still is the Java NDK. Off to research that.
Its not found, so I may as well look into that now

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 1:23 AM

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I think i have this sorted 🙂

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The Android Studio has a way to grab the versions of both the SDK and NDK versions needed. NDK will automatically follow the version needed

tribal schooner Apr 9, 2023, 2:32 AM

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What a good sleep

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What did I miss?

tribal schooner Apr 9, 2023, 2:33 AM

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humble fjord also just recieved a preview from a painter i commissioned a few little canvases...

oooo pretty

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 3:08 AM

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Hey Elf

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This is nuts!
I basically setup everything, compile and then it tells me that gradle version 7.4.0 isn't found, but I have 7.5.1 installed
I thought it was backwards compatible?

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Almost tempted to remove Android Studio Electric Eel and install Chipmunk or one before it

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The sheer fact that it should be resolved with the next release of GM holds me back

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1-2 weeks or so out?

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I knew there was a reason I stopped messing with Droid.
Still the same heroics and acrobatics I remember

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 3:26 AM

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on the positive side once you're good you're good

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gm wrangles android better than SEVERAL other frameworks

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 3:27 AM

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Yes indeed

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BUT its a very hot mess getting it straight

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 3:28 AM

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yes v_v

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 3:28 AM

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Android Studio appears to be happy

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Honestly - Installing and setting up Linux is easier

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oh well

tribal schooner Apr 9, 2023, 3:31 AM

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arctic pasture This is nuts! I basically setup everything, compile and then it tells me that gr...

That is very nutty

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Sorry I'm playing Plateup right now and it's funny

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 3:31 AM

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lol

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 3:42 AM

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arctic pasture Honestly - Installing and setting up Linux is easier

lol agree

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 3:43 AM

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I'm sorry
I am really frustrated with it at this point
I may need to just step away and come back at it later

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Besides, I have a shiney new USB stick stuffed in my PC awaiting a Linux build 😉

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 3:47 AM

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fair enough !!

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 4:05 AM

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@humble fjord here is GM on my mac. 🥺

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No idea what I did or if it was an update?

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 5:11 AM

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yeah i've seen this haha

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despite having DPI-aware related settings regardless of what you set them to it does not seem to be very DPI-aware at all 🤷‍♀️

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 5:13 AM

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Nope and I thought maybe I set the OS back to 100% scale

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I also gave one more go at android. Downloaded both OpenJDK 17 and 11, 11 worked with an completely new issue
I am just gonna hang it up for tonight
I will chat more later in the morning!
Time for sleep 🥱

tribal schooner Apr 9, 2023, 5:17 AM

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brainbed

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 5:58 AM

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@tribal schooner change the string to "Classic Controller" and hit build for us if u please

tribal schooner Apr 9, 2023, 6:00 AM

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hold on lemme get the new script changes first

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Oh

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I guess that's all that's needed

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@arctic pasture

📎 input_again3.apk

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oh wait I miss the whole "what I do for work" convo

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Damn

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Could've had contributed in the moment

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 6:03 AM

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typical folly of being asleep

tribal schooner Apr 9, 2023, 6:03 AM

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Sleep is for the weak

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And I am weak

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Anyway I can contribute it now

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I'll explain it with a single emote

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Mopping

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 6:08 AM

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i have done all kind of blue collar work but somehow never janitor work

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odd accidental omission

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pretty impeccably good at cleaning though if i do so say

tribal schooner Apr 9, 2023, 6:10 AM

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I've learnt how to clean fast at my job

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So fast that I end up having not a lot to do besides minor cleaning tasks

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Which I sometimes don't do

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So I just go on my phone and remote into my PC to do other things sometimes

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cathehehe

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 12:16 PM

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Thanks @tribal schooner for compiling. I was tok caught up in setting up Droid on my end to ask 🤨

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Downloading it now

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Twist is NOW WIRKING on Droid!

The mapper is definitely not set but it works regardless 🙂

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 12:55 PM

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OK we all good

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 1:03 PM

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I still need droid setup. Gonna get that working eventually

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Today is busy since its Easter and the extended family always meet together at moms

Happy Easter! 🐇

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 3:27 PM

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arctic pasture Twist is NOW WIRKING on Droid! The mapper is definitely not set but it works re...

OK good, all working as per plan then

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Gonna call this settled. 6.0 will have nicer features to make this whole case a little easier to deal with

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and i'll have to reauthor the checker for those changes and provide u some snippets but 6.0 is probably a long way off so that should do u for now i think 👍

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thankfully most of the weird stuff in this script can go away with those changes so it should be relatively easy to map the twist

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wakeup included

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we didn't test the mapping because tbh I don't think we need to -- your notes were sound

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if/when you or someone else actually builds for Android and wants to be able to use the Atari VCS Classic controller we can confirm but.. i'm satisified we're good

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(this whole effort has made it increasingly likely i'll just grab one or a pair of these things if i see a reasonable price for them lol)

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 4:21 PM

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humble fjord if/when you or someone else actually builds for Android and wants to be able to ...

Wait until Black Friday, but just after it. Atari provides the best sales AFTER Black Friday. If you want them bad enough, the Black Friday deals are still really good

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Just head to https://www.atari.com and look for the console hardware

Atari®

Home

Discover classic consoles and cartridges, modern titles and never-before-seen art and gameplay from Atari.

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I did download Linux Ubuntu. I haven't had the time yet to install it
Maybe this afternoon after the family get-together

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 4:25 PM

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humble fjord we didn't test the mapping because tbh I don't think we need to -- your notes we...

Thats very nice of you to say! 🥰

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 7:35 PM

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this guys videos keep Entering my Feed and his saluting in all the openings has become distressing
https://www.youtube.com/@DavesGarage

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you have opened my third eye to people doing Weird Salutes

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 8:36 PM

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@humble fjord I've not seen this particular person before, but he does pack some really nice knowledge
Especially since he first handed knows Windows from within 🙂
I watched the top video that came up when I followed the link to see what you were talking about, and YES that saluting is weird!

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 8:56 PM

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BTW: I see and understand salutes differently from those that were not in the service
The salute is a thing of utter respect. which is earned through being a specific status or rank in the service
The service salute all those above them in rank. Civilians have the HIGHEST rank alongside the President and Vice President
The service members serve the civilians of the nation

Anyways, that's where I come from with the salute.
Its nothing more than how I was taught early in my military career (boot-camp)

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That said, I just giggle at the various uses of the salute 😛

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 10:49 PM

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Almost have Linux Ubuntu 2022.04 LTS installed on one of my VCSs

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Excuse the mess, but thats the VCS with the classic controller and my kb/mouse connected installing Ubuntu 😀

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 11:01 PM

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charles finally got his act together

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wow the vcs is larger than i anticipated

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 11:02 PM

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That’s AWESOME

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 11:03 PM

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humble fjord wow the vcs is larger than i anticipated

Its the SAME size as the Steam Deck 😉

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I have a picture with both next to each other

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This VCS has 32 GB and a 1 TB internal M,2 drive 🙂

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Hence why I chose it between the two to use for this exercise

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I am NOT using the internal drive though, just an external USB drive

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This is the Black Walnut Edition

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This is both the Onyx Edition and the Steam Deck
I called it the VCS Deck 😂🤣😂🤣😂
It looks like an updated Atari 5200 to me 😄

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Well the installation is complete... time to see what damage I can do with it 😄

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It actually completed about 10 minutes ago, but I wanted to share those pics with you

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Ironically, the Deck is WAAAAY more powerful than the VCS
SteamOS has always allowed PC mode too

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WILD! I didn't think it was possible, but I guess it actually IS.... I have the Classic in VCS mode attached to the VCS AAANNNDDD Bluetooth conected to my Samsung A12 AT THE SAME TIME working on each one
I hear the clicks on the Samsung as I move about on the VCS.
TOO FUNNY!!

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 11:45 PM

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Well then. The VCS is showing itself again. This is a common issue when doing PC Mode on it, but it doesn't boot. Not surprised.
Its also my first time I ever tried, so I will need to look up what others did to get it right.
Seems straight forward, but there was an option that configures UEFI

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 11:45 PM

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arctic pasture WILD! I didn't think it was possible, but I guess it actually IS.... I have the ...

interesting haha

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ps4/5 controllers behave like this too i believe

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 11:46 PM

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I was laughing

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So good

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 11:46 PM

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minor scandals when people buy half the store by accident while playing over wire on PC while the console is on with tv off paired to BT

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 11:47 PM

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I could see that

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Luckily, the droid doesn't have any way to purchase so I am good there

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I wondered what I "did" on it while I was using the VCS

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NOTHING!

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It does actually move focus about the screen though. Pretty neat

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I was more concerned with pressing A button LOL

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 11:50 PM

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yea gamepads have basically full control of OS behaviour on both android and ios these days (assuming you can pair)

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 11:51 PM

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Good thing for VCS is that if it fails, its not hard to redo. I have two USB sticks - one for the installer and the install destination.
I will wipe it clean

humble fjord Apr 9, 2023, 11:51 PM

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like any other keyboard or switch device

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good luck round 2 🥲

arctic pasture Apr 9, 2023, 11:51 PM

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Yeah I figured as much

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The OS builds don't generally bother me. I've built sooooo many PCs of all OSes over the years, it just becomes a matter of trial and error

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I gotta try the VCS controller setup on Linux for Input

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Can't wait for you to get THEGampad
Will be fun

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Plus I need to test THEC64 Joystick mapper

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The AtariVCS OS is not well built. I wanna smack the team

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hgIt has GREAT potential, but they did some strange things with it and it doesn't make sense why

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I guess really the biggest part is they need to optimize it under the hood to make it more efficient, and then fix their wireless connectivity issues

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I think they finally sorted the majority of their store issues

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And MOST importantly, BRING IN NEW GAMES

humble fjord Apr 10, 2023, 12:10 AM

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kind of get the google type vibe off them which is nobody makes money on atari except atari lol

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 12:11 AM

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Whats a console without them?

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Not quite true...

humble fjord Apr 10, 2023, 12:11 AM

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well, that's good then

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 12:13 AM

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They have a model where if you are NON-Exclusive sales on VCS, its 70/30
Exclusive is 80/20

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The issue is their team that drives the on-boarding is VERY slow

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They have devs lined up wanting to put their games on it, but the team isn't developed enough to handle it

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I started building exclusively for it, but time and work haven't panned out
Plus I don't have games to prove my worth yet

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Its an opportunity that needs work

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Atari bought a dev studio that does retro remakes

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This may help them do their own in-house work now

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Good news but not what I really wanted to see come about... they NEED indie devs

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I could keep ranting, but I will stop at that 😇

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Muahahahaha! AtariVCS has Ubuntu 2022.4 LTS working via USB now 😄

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Finally

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 1:26 AM

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humble fjord this guys videos keep Entering my Feed and his saluting in all the openings has ...

Oh Dave! I love Dave!

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His content has been pretty entertaining

humble fjord Apr 10, 2023, 1:27 AM

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dave.

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 1:27 AM

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dave

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 1:33 AM

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He has skillz

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Buuut I feel its something special here for you guys and dave

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Just messing here

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 1:35 AM

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Eh, brings me joy in a way

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 1:36 AM

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Seriously its ok! I am purely only messing!! No need to explain 😇

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 1:36 AM

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:p

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:07 AM

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My PC lost its mind 🤪

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:08 AM

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My PC lost its mind too.
It froze up last night after I exited a VR game lol

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On VR it was trippy. Half of the world was distorted

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:08 AM

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That sucks bad while playing it

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I couldn’t get connected to anything nor connections that didn’t exist anymore weren’t going away. I was baffled how I was still able to chat here. On my phone atm though

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:10 AM

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oof

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:10 AM

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And now its that Restarting cicke

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:11 AM

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whyy

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:11 AM

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And this

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:11 AM

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I think your GPU is having a rave party

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:12 AM

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Sorry I have a big screen

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:12 AM

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You have a big screen

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I just have multiple monitors

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:12 AM

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I also have multiple monitors

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I don’t always have the top one on

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:14 AM

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lemme get the gif

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727445156101619734/1031151898608283678/When_your_life_is_all_about_the_code-opt.gif

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I made this into a bit of a meme

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:14 AM

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That’s you?

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:14 AM

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yes

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One of them is a phone for lols

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I have 7 in actuality

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:14 AM

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😁👍

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:14 AM

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Though the TV I was using as a monitor finally kicked the can

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:15 AM

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TVs suck for monitors, but they work

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:15 AM

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That's the one on the far right

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They do

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But it was nice while I was streaming stuff

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:15 AM

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I bet so

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:16 AM

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My current aim is trying to get an LG 43UN700-B

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:16 AM

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I don’t have that type of space

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:16 AM

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I do, but all of these monitors takes up all of my space

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I need to reclaim my space

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:16 AM

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This one is a 34”

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:17 AM

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ooo

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:17 AM

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I have two 27” curve monitors at work

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:17 AM

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As someone who works as a cleaner, jealous

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:18 AM

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I write software, build databases and maintain the db servers, and maintain the interfaces between systems

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:19 AM

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Yeah fair. I just maintain gamemaker libraries mostly and sometimes post blog things

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:19 AM

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Thats entirely cool

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Nothing wrong with what you do 😁

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:20 AM

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Oh definitely! I just wanna do more than that at some point XD

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:20 AM

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I am NOT special by any means

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:20 AM

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Bah, I doubt that

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:20 AM

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I DO enjoy what I do though

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:21 AM

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nods as long as you enjoy it, that's all it matters

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:23 AM

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tribal schooner Oh definitely! I just wanna do more than that at some point XD

What do you envision yourself moving into?

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:23 AM

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Making games

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I've got a few projects cooking up

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One of which is a plant growing interactive wallpaper for kofi's monthly themes

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The only main game I'm working on and off is a 2D infinite sandbox. Designed in a way where modding is pretty straight forward

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:25 AM

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Very cool

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:26 AM

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tribal schooner One of which is a plant growing interactive wallpaper for kofi's monthly themes

All in GameMaker HTML5 too... Surprisingly works very well

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It's not the first time either :p

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The first one I've made and published to the world, was from a rather odd idea someone gave to me.
And I made it into a reality.

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Lowkey someday I wanna make a wallpaper game but til then... I remade 1/3 of an existing game for people to just utilize and experience

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2517518192

Steam Workshop::Five Nights at Freddy's 1 Camera View (Interactive)

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Seen a couple cosplayers on tiktok use this

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:30 AM

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Nice!

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:31 AM

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Jumpscare free too!
I'm not a fan of a wallpaper jumpscaring me

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:31 AM

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LOL

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I don’t scare easily

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:31 AM

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lol nice

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You have no idea HOW MANY have asked me for them

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:32 AM

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Really?

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:32 AM

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yes

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Just half an hour ago someone asked me if I had added them in

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:32 AM

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LOL

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:32 AM

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It's died in terms of interest, but people still are jabbing me every now and then

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I always respond with

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https://tenor.com/bIqnQ.gif

Tenor

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:32 AM

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I’m the type that goes to a haunted house and scare the cast

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:34 AM

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Hehehe nice

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The best kind of scare

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:35 AM

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Its so fun

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I use my training and my own cunning to scare them

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:36 AM

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Should've brought a mask while you were at it

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Nothing like a good scary mask to go along with it!

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:41 AM

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tribal schooner It's died in terms of interest, but people still are jabbing me every now and th...

Oh yeah. The only other two requests I've gotten are:
-A Mac version (I know zero software for running webpages as wallpapers)
-Android/iOS version (Android has zero support for webpages via their Wallpaper Engine Android App, and iOS flat out can't do right now)

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:43 AM

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I still need to sort out Android to build for in GM

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Havoc I say!

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:44 AM

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Do you need some tech support? 🤓

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:44 AM

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Gonna have to wait a few more days since I have to get through surgery on my eye tomorrow

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:44 AM

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tribal schooner Do you need some tech support? 🤓

Yes

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:45 AM

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oop, good luck with the eye surgery!

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:45 AM

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Tech peeps don’t know all!! And I am NOT proud so…

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:45 AM

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arctic pasture Yes

https://tenor.com/tVQV.gif

Tenor

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:46 AM

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I’ve ripped it out and threw it back in only for it to work like a mule not wanting to go where you need it

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 2:47 AM

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...I can't tell if you're talking about the eye or the droid

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(jokes)

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I feel that

arctic pasture Apr 10, 2023, 2:55 AM

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Both!

tribal schooner Apr 10, 2023, 3:05 AM

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Haha

arctic pasture Apr 11, 2023, 2:39 AM

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I’m totally wiped from the procedure. That is not fun but necessary evil. My doctors are magical with their skills. Prolly sleep off tomorrow morning and go back for the 1 day post-op to see more about my restrictions. Head is still spinning so gonna go back to sleep.

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It went well though 😁

humble fjord Apr 11, 2023, 6:33 AM

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rest up !

tribal schooner Apr 11, 2023, 6:50 AM

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Time to relaxxx and rest

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 1:57 AM

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@humble fjord Hey I noticed this anomaly in the gamecontrollerdb.txt and was wondering if this was legit or missing the GUID for the xinput controller in Windows?

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I upgraded to Input 5.6.0 and was just adding all the mappers that we sorted out for the various controllers in the sdl2.txt with the latest from gamecontrollerdb.txt

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 2:48 AM

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yeah that's just a weird SDL thing

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you can ignore it

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 2:53 AM

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Did your THEGamepad arrive yet?

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 3:21 AM

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it arrived... but in another city

tribal schooner Apr 13, 2023, 3:21 AM

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Damn

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 3:21 AM

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i will return.. next week

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 3:22 AM

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How horrible. Does it say "Delivered?"

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 3:22 AM

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oh it's OK, it's at my place

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but I am not at my place

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 3:22 AM

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Oh I see

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 3:22 AM

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🙃

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 3:22 AM

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PHEW!

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 3:22 AM

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i considered asking my gf to bring my mail back here but i only have a few pieces of hardware anyway so best to wait till i'm home

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 3:26 AM

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You can SMACK me for asking...
In the Input controllertypes.csv can you add the following:
CommunityAtariVCS,50320210,50320110
or
AtariVCS,50320210,50320110

Then you would need to remove
50320210
From
CommunityLikeXBox

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If not, I get it

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Of course, you don't have to jump on this if you do decide to

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Technically, those codes are NOT exactly XBOX Like

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As you are aware they are AtariVCS mode GUIDs

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At least Windows

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The Modern VCS Controller is a strange beast TBO in Windows
VCS mode is special for sure, but ONLY in Windows as it behaves in the others as expected
Just annoying

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Luckily, it behaves PERFECTLY in XBOX Mode
Sadly you lose the Wireless capability there with the triggers

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 3:40 AM

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yep got you

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 3:43 AM

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I am set into seeing if there is ANY way I can learn what can be done to get those triggers back 🙂
I know its a Looooooooooooong shot, but I want to try one more time

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 3:45 AM

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ah you know.. there's probably a registry fix

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but i don't understand how that stuff works tbh

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you can force dinput axis overrides with the registry but it's black magic to me

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 3:56 AM

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yeah dinput is another beast for sure

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 3:56 AM

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which PID is wireless?

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 3:57 AM

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Both have Wireless modes

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 3:57 AM

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oh

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 3:57 AM

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They use BT to connect

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 3:57 AM

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one is xbox mode ?

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 3:57 AM

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VCS Mode is Wireless and Wired

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XBOX Mode is wired ONLY

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On BOTH Modern and Classic

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XBOX mode works as is

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Zero issues but its wired

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Modern in VCS Mode provides the GUID

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 3:59 AM

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which productid i mean

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 3:59 AM

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as Does Classic in VCS Mode

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0210 is Modern

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 4:00 AM

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ah right

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 4:00 AM

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0110 Classic

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 4:00 AM

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https://github.com/JujuAdams/Input/commit/20db2293d3be1d35e11977050e7aeb0b47c488d8

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 4:01 AM

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I am tweeking the code to see if there are any input ranges not seen for some reason

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 4:01 AM

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will cook new datafiles in 7 minutes when gh refreshes

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yeah you can check axis values out of bounds and get weird behaviour lol

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that's how we get xinput triggers

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i doubt it will fix your issue though

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 4:02 AM

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Nice I see what you did. Good idea 🙂

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What you just did ONLYT separates them from looking like XBOX in VCS mode

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Its OK but its correct in that manner

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THANK YOU for making that change

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 4:05 AM

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humble fjord that's how we get xinput triggers

Exactly... So I was thinking alongside this action that MAYBE its still there in anothe axis just not normally used

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I still thinkits an Atari patch that never released, but who knows with Atari

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 4:12 AM

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https://github.com/JujuAdams/Input/pull/653/files

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annd one more for 6.0 stuff

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 4:18 AM

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nice

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Sooo Steam doesn't even see those triggers

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Maybe I need to do a calibration on the VCS with them

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See what happens after that

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The problem with that is if you have these controllers but you don't have a VCS, you can't fix it that way IF that does fix it in the first place

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I can assure you that you will NOT get any updates for these controllers if you do not have a VCS either.
Atari made it soe you need the VCS to update them
Kinda standard practice since Nintendo, MS and Sony do the same with theirs too

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 4:22 AM

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calibration won't do anything

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 4:22 AM

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Exactly

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 4:22 AM

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SDL2 would need a HID driver for Steam to help

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ship one to Sam and he'll probably do it 😛

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 4:23 AM

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Steam doesn't see them either

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Who is Sam?

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SDL?

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 4:23 AM

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arctic pasture I can assure you that you will NOT get any updates for these controllers if you ...

nah MS and Sony let you update their controllers with a PC tool

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kind of important they do that

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 4:23 AM

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Thats good

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 4:23 AM

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arctic pasture Who is Sam?

Sam Latinga at Valve who's the primary developer of SDL2, yes

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 4:24 AM

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I always updated using my XBOX

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 4:24 AM

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There are a few other contributors that do HID stuff but that's mostly him

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 4:24 AM

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Nice

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 4:24 AM

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I could also probably do it if I had one and the motivation but. meh

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 4:25 AM

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I think Atari was supposed to push their patch like I said to correct this, but I believe they left it out somewhere LOL

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That was TWO years ago

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I might be able., but Like you... meh

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I rather Atari send the patch out

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Seriously.... this isn't a make/break thing since so few actually have these controllers to begin with

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 4:27 AM

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indeed

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 4:28 AM

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And getting Atari to do ANYTHING is like herding cats

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pointless

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LOL

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 4:55 AM

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OK here you go https://github.com/JujuAdams/Input/pull/653/files

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this will make it into v6.0

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you can throw away the old checker and it should be easier to do VCS stuff

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if you uncomment the twist mapping it'll do wakeup

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and if you set INPUT_GAMEPAD_EXTENDED_TYPES to true you can set up an icon category and use the player/gamepad type checkers for getting VCS classic/modern

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using the twist is now basically just a matter of

if (input_player_gamepad_type() == "vcs classic")
{
   //check twist binding stuff
}
else
{
  //check right-stick stuff
}

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 4:59 AM

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Perfect - Thats exactly what I was going for

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 5:00 AM

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it was quite the climb 🫠

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thanks for the help

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 5:00 AM

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you bet! it was fun, and if there's another controller I come across... well you know. We can do it all again 🙂

tribal schooner Apr 13, 2023, 5:01 AM

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Controller mapping is fun!

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 5:01 AM

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humble fjord you can throw away the old checker and it should be easier to do VCS stuff

This checker you mean input_vcs_twist?

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 5:01 AM

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yes

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i can write you another copy that conforms to 6.0 stuff

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if preferrable

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same limitations around hotswap tho

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 5:02 AM

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humble fjord if you uncomment the twist mapping it'll do wakeup

this is probably the way to go

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 5:02 AM

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Yes agreed

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 5:04 AM

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humble fjord using the twist is now basically just a matter of ``` if (input_player_gamepad_t...

Did you make an actual "vcs classic" type, or is this read from the controller itself?

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 5:05 AM

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humble fjord OK here you go <https://github.com/JujuAdams/Input/pull/653/files>

type

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 5:06 AM

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Silly me! I didn't read ALL the way down the changes!

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I should pull a fresh copy of Input now, correct?

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 5:07 AM

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if you want to test this you need the dev branch

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it's a project though, not an extension (easy enough to export) https://github.com/offalynne/Input/archive/refs/heads/data_data.zip

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this is also not finished yet so feel free to wait till release unless you want to tinker early 🤷‍♀️

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 5:09 AM

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You know, I do enjoy tinkering

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 5:09 AM

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corrected the link there

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anyway off with me

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have a good one

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😴

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thanks again for the help today elf

tribal schooner Apr 13, 2023, 5:09 AM

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Goodnight sweet dreams

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As always

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 5:09 AM

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Night @tribal schooner !

tribal schooner Apr 13, 2023, 5:10 AM

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Going to bed too huh?

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 5:10 AM

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Yeah I ghott go here in aminute too. My eye is bothering so it means I need to break away

tribal schooner Apr 13, 2023, 5:10 AM

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Yeah all good

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Nighty night sweet dreams catsleep

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 5:11 AM

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Night @humble fjord

tribal schooner Apr 13, 2023, 5:11 AM

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speaking of tinkering actually

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@humble fjord ik you're going to bed... But I just realized what does work with Wallpaper Engine

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Time to game on a wallpaper sunglas

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Input v5... But should work for Input v6 too

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 5:26 AM

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haha

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very good

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 7:07 PM

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So I have the code for Input 6.0.0 setup as a tester
I did test input as kosher - making sure the VCS controllers worked and were mapped as they should be - and they indeed DO work as expected 🥂

The part I need to learn about is the extended types. I am too new to this library so I will do my homework first by looking at the samples and the documentation for the Library

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 7:46 PM

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note about extended types is here
https://www.jujuadams.com/Input/#/6.0/Functions-(Other)?id=input_iconscategoryname

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v6 docs are private bc its not released yet

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there needs to be a note on the constants page too.. i thought there was already 🥴

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added https://github.com/JujuAdams/Input/commit/45ee8ce701e65dc17d55525749d5c3eef9bc6d49

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 7:53 PM

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Excellent

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If I want to use "vcs classic" and I sent the use extended types = true
input_icons(INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_XBOX_ONE)
That will check fort XBOX, but this will work for"vcs classic"
input_icons("vcs classic")

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 7:56 PM

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correct

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that's specifically for setting up icons in the icon config ofc, if you want to check for it in the general sense player/gamepad_get_type will work the same

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 7:57 PM

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It makes sense to add ALL functional icons for EACH input type this same way

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 7:58 PM

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feel free to make your own macros for the other types if that's convenient

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 7:58 PM

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humble fjord that's specifically for setting up icons in the icon config ofc, if you want to ...

Soi I add "twist" and thenI can reference that icon, which would be mapped to rightx

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:00 PM

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humble fjord feel free to make your own macros for the other types if that's convenient

pour vous

#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_STEAM_DECK        "steam deck"
#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_STEAM_CONTROLLER  "steam controller"
#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_8BITDO            "8bitdo"
#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_MFI               "mfi"
#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_LUNA              "luna"
#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_STADIA            "stadia"
#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_VCS_MODERN        "vcs modern"
#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_VCS_CLASSIC       "vcs classic"
#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_OUYA              "ouya"
#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_DREAMCAST         "dreamcast"
#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_N64               "n64"
#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_SATURN            "saturn"
#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_SNES              "snes"
#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_SUPER_FAMICOM     "super famicom"

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:00 PM

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arctic pasture Soi I add "twist" and thenI can reference that icon, which would be mapped to ri...

yes, keep in mind you need to uncomment the twist bit in __input_gamepad_set_mapping

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:01 PM

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merci

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:02 PM

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humble fjord yes, keep in mind you need to uncomment the twist bit in `__input_gamepad_set_ma...

This was what I am missing... !!!

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:04 PM

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humble fjord pour vous ``` #macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_STEAM_DECK "steam deck" #macro IN...

tbh gonna stick this in a comment block in the code too 🤷‍♀️

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:05 PM

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That is VERY useful

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It keeps consistency

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You COULD name them like this:
#macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_EXTENDED_TYPE_blah "blah"

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That would keep them explicitly named and separated

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And one would know they are EXTENDED types

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:08 PM

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i'll just leave a comment, if you flip the switch then all simple types remain on equal ground

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no need to differentiate

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:09 PM

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sure

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:09 PM

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the macro basically says "treat ouya with the respect of an xbox" lol

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:09 PM

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indeed

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I see this in the source 🙂

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:10 PM

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neither the library nor the library user should have to distinguish from non/extended when it's on

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:10 PM

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And thats by design, so that makes perfect sense

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Me not knowing the design... that is why I made the suggestion. 🙂

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Its all cool

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It is a very nicely made and designed library

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which apparentlky is about to move up another notch in v6

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LOVE IT

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:13 PM

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thanks

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glad we got twist all worked out

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:13 PM

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now we can both twist and shout!

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:14 PM

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i do fret a little that if Herb's mapping is wrong we're steering you wrong on the microconsole itself but 🤷‍♀️

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maybe calling the VCS a "micro" console is a bit generous lol

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:14 PM

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I have TWO of those consoles right in front of me

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:14 PM

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well. ;-]

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i'm not sure of how to build to it from GM but Herb has the ticket obviously

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also not sure if the gamepad stack on there would be the same as a Ubuntu install though I see no reason why not

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:15 PM

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Honestly, Herb did a lot of playing with them early on... changes were made along the way to the controllers and api

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:15 PM

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makes sense

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:16 PM

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Its is identical since its a dirivative of that

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:16 PM

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just udev i assume

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gamepad stack on the kernel does get bumped pretty frequently

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:17 PM

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indeed

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udev soiunds right though

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I can ask other VCS devs

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:17 PM

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when i get home i have to write mappings for ANOTHER dkms driver for Switch controllers 🙈

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:18 PM

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lucky you

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:18 PM

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as you and elf know it's "fun"

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of a sort, lol

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:18 PM

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"fun"

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:18 PM

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i did in fact ask my gf to grab my mail so i may have THEGamepad on THEWeekend

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:18 PM

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lol

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Excellent!

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I purposely dragged my feet with Linux so you could have the honors

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:19 PM

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haha

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idk setting up a whole os is

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nontrivial

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whenever i get home it's a matter of minutes tho

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:20 PM

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Agreed, but not that bad if you did it a time or two

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:20 PM

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need to set up some kind of remote desktop situation that isn't too power-wasteful

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:20 PM

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Its LESS trivial on a system that doesn't have an os already

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:21 PM

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and then i also need to have a controller enclosure with a robotic arm so i can ask whoever's handy to place the device into the chamber, lol

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:21 PM

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This is why I wanted my C64x since its already what I need and low power but built for Linux OS

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really, just a motherboard with an APU and 16 GB mem with a sssd installed with a version of something compatible with GM

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It can even be without a monitor... just remote to it

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I started using a raspberyypi 400

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Its a weee bit painfully slow so... C64x

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 8:27 PM

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rpi4 is pretty tough tbh

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good little guy

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hard working

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:30 PM

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I love my Pis

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I have the Rpi 400

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I never power it off unless a storm does 😛

tribal schooner Apr 13, 2023, 8:35 PM

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Ooo pis

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:35 PM

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This is when I need a pi for on the go too
I have a 15.6" portable monitor to hook up to it (or my laptop)

tribal schooner Apr 13, 2023, 8:35 PM

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I have 3 pi 4 Bs 🤓

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One that’s my network ad block, two for deving

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:35 PM

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I only have this one for the 4 series, but I have 3 of pi 3 b

tribal schooner Apr 13, 2023, 8:36 PM

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Only one of them is using pi 32bit bc GameMaker’s runner isn’t available for pi 64bit yet

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Mmm pi 3 b

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:36 PM

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I just swap the SD card with the various builds I need

tribal schooner Apr 13, 2023, 8:37 PM

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I dunno I’m lazy 😆

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 8:39 PM

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I have this case so I can keep up with the cards

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 9:47 PM

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have the same in black

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🧙‍♀️

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 10:30 PM

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I somewhat have the twist woirking... not sure if its what you intended people to do though

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Set #macro INPUT_GAMEPAD_EXTENDED_TYPES true in "input_config_gamepads"
Added all the macros you provided in "input_config_macros"
Added this into "input_config_icons"

input_icons_gamepad(INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_VCS_CLASSIC)
.add("gamepad face south",         "A")
.add("gamepad face east",          "B")

.add("gamepad select",             "view")
.add("gamepad start",              "menu")
.add("gamepad dpad left",          "dpad left")
.add("gamepad dpad right",         "dpad right")
.add("gamepad dpad up",            "dpad up")
.add("gamepad dpad down",          "dpad down")

.add("gamepad thumbstick l left",  "twist")
.add("gamepad thumbstick l right", "twist")

.add("gamepad guide",               "guide")

Added this in gamepad: section in "input_config_verbs"

    gamepad:
    {
        up:    [input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axislv, true),  input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_padu)],
        down:  [input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axislv, false), input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_padd)],
        left:  [input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axislh, true),  input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_padl)],
        right: [input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axislh, false), input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_padr)],
        
        accept:  input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_face1),
        cancel:  input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_face2),
        action:  input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_face3),
        special: input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_face4),
        
        aim_up:    input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axisrv, true),
        aim_down:  input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axisrv, false),
        aim_left:  input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axisrh, true),
        aim_right: input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axisrh, false),
        shoot:     [input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_shoulderlb), input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_shoulderrb)],
        
        pause: input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_start),
        
    twist: [input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axislh, true),input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axislh, false)],
    },

Made this section with the EXTENDED TYPES portion for the VCS in "input_gamepad_set_mapping"
(I didn't see anything for twist commented out in there so I ad-lib'd)

            case "HIDAtariVCSClassic":
                __input_trace("Overriding mapping to Atari VCS Classic");
        
                set_mapping(gp_face1, 0, __INPUT_MAPPING.BUTTON, "a");
                set_mapping(gp_face2, 1, __INPUT_MAPPING.BUTTON, "b");        
        
                set_mapping(gp_select, 2, __INPUT_MAPPING.BUTTON, "back");
                set_mapping(gp_start,  3, __INPUT_MAPPING.BUTTON, "start");
        
                set_mapping(gp_padu, 0, __INPUT_MAPPING.HAT, "dpup"   ).hat_mask = 1;
                set_mapping(gp_padr, 0, __INPUT_MAPPING.HAT, "dpright").hat_mask = 2;
                set_mapping(gp_padd, 0, __INPUT_MAPPING.HAT, "dpdown" ).hat_mask = 4;
                set_mapping(gp_padl, 0, __INPUT_MAPPING.HAT, "dpleft" ).hat_mask = 8;
        
                if (INPUT_SDL2_ALLOW_EXTENDED) 
                {
                    set_mapping(gp_guide,  4, __INPUT_MAPPING.BUTTON, "guide");
                    set_mapping(gp_axislh,  0, __INPUT_MAPPING.AXIS, "twist");
                }
                return;
            break;

Unless I am missing it somewhere, I ended up still needing to change the sdl2.txt to add ,leftx=a0 to the mapper...
PLEASE let me know where I should have made changes if I missed something also, where I should NOT have changed!
🙂

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I realize that it is supposed to be the right stick, but it doesn't really matter which it goes to, and I can correct it to that if indeed that is why I didn't get the mapper right before adding ,leftx = a0
I can easily change everything to the rightx = a0

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I will continue playing with it 🙂

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 11:18 PM

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so.. if you add a gp_axisrh mapping does it work ?

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 11:20 PM

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humble fjord yes, keep in mind you need to uncomment the twist bit in `__input_gamepad_set_ma...

did you do this ?

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 11:23 PM

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there wasn't one in there to uncomment

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I'll post what I have here for that one

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Uggghhh.... I see the Commented out Twist code... lemme try it

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Sorry - I am bouncing between here and cooking dinner

humble fjord Apr 13, 2023, 11:46 PM

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haha take your time

arctic pasture Apr 13, 2023, 11:51 PM

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So I reset the mapper in sdl2.txt; removing , leftx=a0
I removed the code I added in the "input_gamepad_set_mappig" and uncommented out the code you left in there for the VCS Twist
I left the rest as-is and it executed

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Twist does get value, BUT NOT using gp_rightlh - It needs gp_leftlh

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Also, that mapper has a dead zone that needs to be removed

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:04 AM

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what are you using to check

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ohh right uh. gotta set the threshold

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set it to 0 and you should be good

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:07 AM

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is that in the config?

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:07 AM

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arctic pasture Twist does get value, BUT NOT using gp_rightlh - It needs gp_leftlh

that makes no sense 😭 https://github.com/JujuAdams/Input/blob/dev_6.0/scripts/__input_gamepad_set_mapping/__input_gamepad_set_mapping.gml#L1311

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:08 AM

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I'll play with it... it makes sense given its Atari

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🤷‍♂️

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:10 AM

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tbh i wouldn't bother and just

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use the gamepad checker directly, so

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:11 AM

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Its working on the left and showing left/right as I twist the right side

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I switched something and saw what happened

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:12 AM

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arctic pasture Its working on the left and showing left/right as I twist the right side

don't understand what you mean, sorry

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:12 AM

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Input gamepad tester

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left shows all

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right shows a subset of just that controller

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:13 AM

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screenshot(s) pls

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:13 AM

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humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:13 AM

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ok yeah that's working as intended

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try input_gamepad_value(input_player_get_gamepad(), gp_axisrh)

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:14 AM

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Yeah AFTER I un computercoder'd it LOL

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:14 AM

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all good

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:15 AM

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It is back to where you gave it to me... I setup verbs and the other stuff for the gamepad in he config

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I believe its all goiod AS YOU WROTE it 🙂

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:15 AM

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🤪

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:16 AM

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Now, I just need to attach the verb to the RIGHT vs LEFT 😛

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and then I have my "twist" verb working

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my verb is working now

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:19 AM

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twist checker is now as simple as

var _twist = someDefaultValue;
if (input_player_get_gamepad_type() == INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_VCS_CLASSIC)
{
  _twist = input_gamepad_value(input_player_get_gamepad(), gp_axisrh);
}

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probably preferable to get the raw value like that

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:19 AM

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indeed

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:20 AM

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you could conditionally set the axis to threshold 0 for that specific device depending on gamepad type but

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none of the existing checkers are really wise to the idea of the twist's values so

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only the raw value is really of meaning to you

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:20 AM

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So... no verb then?

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:20 AM

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correct, i wouldn't bother

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:21 AM

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Well thats good info... the BEST thing I at least know how that works in the Library 😄

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:22 AM

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generally you want to stick to the profile-binding-verb system

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but the twist is special

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so easier to check it raw then bother with overhead you don't need anyway

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:23 AM

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Yes it is

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I just added it here:

    gamepad:
    {
        up:    [input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axislv, true),  input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_padu)],
        down:  [input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axislv, false), input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_padd)],
        left:  [input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axislh, true),  input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_padl)],
        right: [input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axislh, false), input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_padr)],
        
        accept:  input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_face1),
        cancel:  input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_face2),
        action:  input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_face3),
        special: input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_face4),
        
        aim_up:    input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axisrv, true),
        aim_down:  input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axisrv, false),
        aim_left:  input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axisrh, true),
        aim_right: input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axisrh, false),
        shoot:     [input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_shoulderlb), input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_shoulderrb)],
        
        pause: input_binding_gamepad_button(gp_start),
        
        twist: [input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axisrh, true),input_binding_gamepad_axis(gp_axisrh, false)],
    },

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:23 AM

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yeah you can throw that out

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unless you're really keen on it for some reason

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:24 AM

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It seems wasteful to me

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to leave it the way I have it

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:24 AM

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arctic pasture I just added it here: ``` gamepad: { up: [input_binding_gamep...

that's not quite right

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:25 AM

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Ok... what should it look like?

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:25 AM

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you'd need twist left and twist right

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a verb should only have one axis component, not both

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:25 AM

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It works as is

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:25 AM

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and the values are correct ? 🤨

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i would be surprised

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:25 AM

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perfectly so

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:26 AM

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well, ok !

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:26 AM

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Yeah I had my doubts too

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I tried this

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it did what I didn't expect - work

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:26 AM

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if it works it works 🤷‍♀️

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:26 AM

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I just need it to have the deadzone removed for the twist

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:26 AM

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did setting the threshold fix your deadzone ?

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right

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:27 AM

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I was busy eating so no

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:27 AM

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i think you'll find the values are in fact wrong that way.. but

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by all means 🤷‍♀️

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if you twist in negative direction past 0 you'll be getting positive values again

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where you want negative

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:27 AM

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Left goes -1 to 0 and right goes 0 to +1

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:28 AM

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hunh. ok

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:28 AM

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on windows... it MAY break on other OSes

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:28 AM

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other OSes are normalized to what you see on Windows so it should be fine I think

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will have to double check that

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:29 AM

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I just haven't tried outside of Windows so I can't speak to it

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:34 AM

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yeah it should be set_mapping(gp_axisrh, 0, __INPUT_MAPPING.AXIS, "rightx").limited_range = (os_type == os_linux);

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i'll fix that

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anyway personally i would say don't use the profile-binding-verb stuff and if you do i can't confirm it will work right and i can't help to that end

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but don't fix what aint broken etc

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:37 AM

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All of the OSes should default set that twist to 0 deadzone

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:37 AM

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if you don't use profile-binding-verb, no deadzone

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simple

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:37 AM

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its -1 to +1

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Ok

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🙂

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:38 AM

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humble fjord twist checker is now as simple as ``` var _twist = someDefaultValue; if (input_p...

get the raw value like this

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:38 AM

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its raw

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:38 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-its-raw-raw-gif-12603501

Tenor

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:38 AM

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Unlike my food

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😛

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:45 AM

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humble fjord anyway personally i would say don't use the profile-binding-verb stuff and if yo...

After playing more , again you are correct.
I am still learning here with Input! LOL
How I didn't pay attention to the - not present is beyond me...

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Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt you, but apparently I didn't pay attention well enough 😐

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:49 AM

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it was doing something just not what you want

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😆

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:50 AM

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humble fjord twist checker is now as simple as ``` var _twist = someDefaultValue; if (input_p...

as outcomes are i'd say this one is pretty good

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:52 AM

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Definitely good

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Just thought... I doin't need the icons either

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you need the verb to get the icon

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:53 AM

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correct

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will have to handle the twist yourself as a special case, since it is one

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:53 AM

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yep

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No worries about that as I was already before Input came about 😉

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Input provides all sorts of super input support so... big win either way

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It would be a gigantic mess if you tried to support each special case entirely in the library

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the fact you allow some type of access is great

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I am starting to catch on to Input's design

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:56 AM

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arctic pasture It would be a gigantic mess if you tried to support each special case entirely i...

yeah i suspect juju already finds a lot of my boondoggles to be straying from god's light lol

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:56 AM

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I know its not complete/released, but I am going to use v6 as my game's input control and update with the full release when its ready

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:57 AM

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input perfection, only ever one more PR away...

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please feel free to

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tho keep in mind it's already out of date lol

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lots of testing etc. to do

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:57 AM

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I will help you find issues as well. No worries.

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 12:57 AM

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once we release you can be satisfied to use it until prospective release though 😤

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can always update the data using the python script, or manually as you've been doing

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 12:59 AM

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Basically this is the version I have until release/ Gotcha

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I just don't see the point in going back to 5

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Especially when this will release soon, and my stuff will def come out far after its release

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 1:00 AM

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you can just back up config folder, delete everything else, reimport on release if you need an update

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nbd

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 1:00 AM

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this dev build is amp[e enough

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 1:00 AM

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a looot changed in 6.0 so we still gotta test a bit

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but github is friendly so

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no need to fear

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 1:01 AM

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If there is anything you'd like me to test/write... just ask

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 1:02 AM

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will do =]

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 1:02 AM

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~~Is the dev environment closed?~~

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on github

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nm I see where you change from master to dev 6.0

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I gotta learn github better - esp since we just transitioned to it at work also

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 2:19 AM

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humble fjord as outcomes are i'd say this one is pretty good

Worked perfectly

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 2:20 AM

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tremendous !

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 2:20 AM

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love this library 🙂

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 2:20 AM

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now... if you need multiplayer...

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 2:20 AM

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yes I will 🙂

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 2:20 AM

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just put it in a loop ;-]

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or use the relevant player index. depending on context.

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 2:21 AM

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Yeah. def depends on the design of the game

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 2:22 AM

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humble fjord twist checker is now as simple as ``` var _twist = someDefaultValue; if (input_p...

var _playerTwist = someDefaultValue;
if (input_player_get_gamepad_type(playerIndex) == INPUT_GAMEPAD_TYPE_VCS_CLASSIC)
{
  _playerTwist = input_gamepad_value(
    input_player_get_gamepad(playerIndex),
    gp_axisrh);
}

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 2:25 AM

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lol

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You do exactly what I like doing to make my code more readable

humble fjord Apr 14, 2023, 2:26 AM

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tweak incessantly ? 🫠

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 2:27 AM

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I can't help it

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I am a perfectionist

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Example from one of my older projects in C#

        public static VOEmployee GetVOEmployeeByEmployeeNumber(int employeeNumber, Connection sqlConnection, out Exception exception)
        {
            // This returns a single VOEmployee based upon the employeeNumber
            exception = null;
            SqlDataReader sqlDataReader = null;
            VOEmployee voEmployee = null;

            try
            {
                String strSQL = String.Format(@"
                        select 
                             [EmployeeId]
                            ,[EmployeeNumber]
                            ,[BadgeNumber]
                            ,[NetworkId]
                            ,[SSN]
                            ,[FirstName]
                            ,[MiddleName]
                            ,[LastName]
                            ,[DOB]
                            ,[EmploymentCategoryId]
                            ,[StatusId]
                            ,[DateHired]
                            ,[DateTerminated]
                            ,[DepartmentId]
                            ,[LocationId]
                            ,[DateChanged]
                            ,[ChangeByEmployeeId]
                            ,[AlternateLastName]
                            ,[Email]
                            ,[HomePhone]
                            ,[MobilePhone]
                            ,[Address]
                            ,[City]
                            ,[State]
                            ,[ZipCode]
                            ,[ExpectedEndDate]
                            ,[ContractAgencyId]
                        from
                            [dbo].[EmployeeVw]
                        where 
                            [EmployeeNumber] = {0}"
                        , employeeNumber);
                sqlDataReader = BOTools.GetSqlDataReader(strSQL, sqlConnection, out exception);

                if (exception != null)
                {
                    if (sqlDataReader != null)
                        if (!sqlDataReader.IsClosed)
                            sqlDataReader.Close();
                }
                else
                {
                    // There should be ONLY one record, so just grab the first one in the event there is more than one
                    if (sqlDataReader.Read())
                        voEmployee = new VOEmployee(sqlDataReader);

                    sqlDataReader.Close();

                    voEmployee.ClearDirty();
                }
            }
            catch (Exception ex)
            {
                exception = ex;
            }
            finally
            {
                if (sqlDataReader != null)
                    if (!sqlDataReader.IsClosed)
                        sqlDataReader.Close();
            }

            return voEmployee;
        }

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If it doesn't look good, I fix it

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Also... I know its not a normal way to make the variables as I have them labeled here.. I was in my mode that it was written how I wanted it 😛

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Now I look at it and ask "WHY?"

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But it is very clean nonetheless

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Speaking of clean
I went to an interview once that was in four 1-2 hour sessions
I had an assignment to write code for them to play the game Mastermind
I wrote it in under 4 hours
It was clean and extremely accurate
They looked at the code and told me it was "too clean" and that "No one writes code that clean"
WTF? I decided not to work there

arctic pasture Apr 14, 2023, 2:40 AM

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humble fjord ``` var _playerTwist = someDefaultValue; if (input_player_get_gamepad_type(playe...

_twist should be _playerTwist 😉

humble fjord Apr 15, 2023, 7:50 PM

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wellll royal mail or USPS or one of my neighbors have kept me from THEGamepad

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gf couldn't find my packages

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o well.. for now

arctic pasture Apr 16, 2023, 1:05 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/nooo-no-nope-no-way-screaming-gif-15477187

Tenor

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I also see you removed the cat glare stank eye image

humble fjord Apr 16, 2023, 2:07 AM

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posts i make and posts i delete are near equal tbh

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👻

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consider any u see for longer than a few moments an anomaly

tribal schooner Apr 16, 2023, 2:33 AM

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I’m usually catching alynne in the act whenever I’m awake, cause I usually see everything before I respond

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But yes

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Alynne is an anomaly and must be contained by the SCP Foundation

humble fjord Apr 19, 2023, 2:04 AM

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well......... THEGampad officially AWOL...

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hope you're recovering well @arctic pasture

arctic pasture Apr 19, 2023, 3:49 AM

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humble fjord hope you're recovering well <@274023741883940865>

I’m slowly progressing, but nonetheless getting there. I still have a long road apparently to go. These first couple of weeks are the hardest to deal with. Doctor is happy so far with what he is seeing though! So we will see 🙂

hard sable Apr 19, 2023, 8:03 AM

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best of luck!

arctic pasture Apr 19, 2023, 11:47 AM

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I definitely appreciate you guys and your well wishes! Thank you so much ☺️

tribal schooner Apr 19, 2023, 11:49 AM

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Wishing you the best mate ❤️ 🙏

arctic pasture Apr 19, 2023, 12:08 PM

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humble fjord well......... THEGampad officially AWOL...

I've had this type of activity happen soo many times grrrrr
I used to have my pet supplies shipped to me so I didn't have to lug those 30-40 pounds of litter boxes around with me. Twice in a row - I ordered 4 of those 30 lbs boxes of litter and I watched them get close only to never make it to my house. I have yet to have a porch pirate. Luckily I live in the country side instead of the city where that activity hasn't yet taken off. Although I did see someone a few weeks ago attempting to break into my shed late at night. I informed them that I have full-color night vision cameras and they fled. I really do have these. Those were installed after some kids stopped by and took the gas I had in a container, then pealed out in MY YARD leaving the yard messed up. Needless to say I was furious, so in came the cameras and I refilled the container with 5 gallons plus salt and sugar. They stopped by again and took the gasoline. Those quads and dirt bikes for some reason stopped flying down the roads. They live about 1/2 mile away from me. 👿

humble fjord May 9, 2023, 3:42 PM

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hope yr recovering well @arctic pasture

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my pad never showed up so i got a refund 🤙

#Atari VCS and theGAMEPAD mappings for SDL2