🚔┃gta-discussion

[little cairn]

Wtf

[short heath]

Racing is very easy to learn

If you just understand racing lines your chances at winning increase

But, mastering racing takes time, a lot of time

I personally race in competitive leagues, been there for two years and have only ever won once

[little cairn]

Bro is just ignoring the conversation about whatever that crap is

[mental patrol]

Good job on keeping the streets of gta legit soldier

[little cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-by-that-druski-gif-20560325

[sudden sigil]

I serve proudly

[regal orchid]

Never

[short heath]

Wdym?

[regal orchid]

I drive in my own style

[short heath]

Then you ain’t winning

[regal orchid]

I don't care about winning

[short heath]

Then no need to talk about this

[regal orchid]

Something I want GTA 6 is driving a car in 2 wheels

Midnight club style

[mental patrol]

I didnt know gta physics actually had sense to them in racing

damn

[short heath]

It’s common sense

A car slows down when you corner

[gentle stag]

Gta racing is btr than a lot of racing games tbh

[mental patrol]

Now that i see it, yes

[short heath]

Apart from kerb boosting, brake boosting, dump clutching, wiggle boosting and a lot more bugs

Yea

[tidal jacinth]

Someone invite me to a game

[gentle stag]

I mean if you’re just playing normally like i am

[mental patrol]

wiggle boosting? the fak

[regal orchid]

And have mad skills issues

[gentle stag]

It feels real nice

[regal orchid]

I can't drive

[short heath]

Dw bout all that

[regal orchid]

The reason why I bought a MK2

[gentle stag]

Speedrunner strats

[short heath]

Or just not work dyno

[mental patrol]

I already told him

Doesnt seem to listen

[tidal jacinth]

Yh bro

[short heath]

#🎮〢other-lfg-ps4

[fallow mural]

Hey @tidal jacinth, These are the PS4 LFG channels.
#🎮〢cayo-lfg-ps4
#🎮〢casino-lfg-ps4
#🎮〢doomsday-lfg-ps4
#🎮〢apartment-heist-lfg-ps4
#🎮〢businesses-lfg-ps4
#🎮〢other-lfg-ps4
#1191066746275242075
#1035310386443993138

[mental patrol]

bot gave us time to split into groups and discuss

[regal orchid]

NGL is better to find randoms than lfg

[short heath]

No, if you go to sweat race lobbies that’s normal

I can’t do some of them myself

But I’m learning

[tidal jacinth]

I’m new to this discord aint got a clue what a nfg and lfg is 😂🤦‍♂️

[regal orchid]

The only vehicle I'm good at driving is the bati 801

[short heath]

If you’re too stubborn to learn racing lines you aren’t good at driving anything tbh

[regal orchid]

Lfg is looking for groups

[regal orchid]

Is a motorcycle

Is only vehicle used at start

[tidal jacinth]

Oh right thanks

[short heath]

Racing lines still apply

It’s not just for cars

[regal orchid]

I'm not talking about racing

[short heath]

If you wanna drive the fastest around the city you still use them

[regal orchid]

Yea know

NGL Iike seeing my bank account number Go up

In GTA

When the comet is coming

The car

Even if don't drive cars alot the time

Like having them only to take garage space

[tidal jacinth]

I’ll smoke any of you in a race

[regal orchid]

Ok

I don't care

[tidal jacinth]

Yeh I said it

[regal orchid]

I'm just a grinder

[tidal jacinth]

How much money you got right now

[regal orchid]

I'm not "car guy"

Check DM

[tidal jacinth]

I’m a grinder but ilike to buy cars aswell races are pretty fun

[regal orchid]

I like doing heists

Mostly stealth

[royal hollow]

What would be the best weapon for solo missions

[cloud garnet]

stealthy heists are the best heists

[regal orchid]

Assault shotgun

And special carbine

[royal hollow]

Ok thank you

[short heath]

okay bud

[tidal jacinth]

Race me then if you think your hard

He ain’t got it in him

[short heath]

I don't have time today

and I got a league race coming up this sunday so I gotta do some practice runs

[tidal jacinth]

That’s what they all say

Amateurs

[mental patrol]

You race irl right niek?

[short heath]

amateurs think they can win without practicing

[short heath]

if I had the money, I would've yes

[mental patrol]

You arent some teen on gta who think that winning a race on gta makes you have titanium nuts right?

[short heath]

all I can do tho is race in go karts now

[tidal jacinth]

I’ll smoke you in real life and ok the game

[mental patrol]

I doubt you would loose irl

[short heath]

but I get pretty close to track records

[mental patrol]

Better than sitting at a keyboard and typing about races

[tidal jacinth]

What whip you got faggio

[regal orchid]

Mario kart?

[mental patrol]

A horse one, pure leather.

[short heath]

I once raced a dude who was in the karting national league, I almost won from him and it was my second ever heat around that track

[tidal jacinth]

Show us a pic of it

[mental patrol]

[short heath]

so I'd say I'm quite okay at racing

[mental patrol]

It looks like a normal leather whip

Aint nothin specal

[regal orchid]

I'm Helen Keller of racing

[mental patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/allex-ano-slay-zee-me-gif-11187196124230634497

[short heath]

but the money isn't there, so I can't actually buy a car or go kart to go racing

[tidal jacinth]

Ahaha good one

[short heath]

irl

[mental patrol]

Imma race you someday

irl

[short heath]

haha, sure bud

[mental patrol]

:D

[short heath]

as long as you race fair, I like it

[mental patrol]

Ill defo loose

[regal orchid]

You talking like fast and furious movie

[mental patrol]

but ill try

[short heath]

you don't loose in a race

you learn

[versed valley]

boys, for racing irl you need to first grow some hair on your little pebbles and be old enough to have a driving license...

[mental patrol]

Im dominic toretto voicelines with cop driving skills in f and f

[short heath]

you can have that from about as young as you want

the thing is money

that's the issue

if you wanna join an amateur gokarting league, you're paying 1500 bucks just to get a kart

[mental patrol]

Nah

[regal orchid]

I'm getting my license suspended in the first week

[mental patrol]

Some lad did it at 16 and killed 2 people in India

[tidal jacinth]

Faggio drives Nissan micra don’t he

[regal orchid]

Lmao 🤣

[versed valley]

I drive Suzuki Alto

[mental patrol]

I drive a faggio smartass

[short heath]

and that's just the kart, you still gotta but a suit, helmet, fuel, tires, trailer, parts to repair the kart etc

[mental patrol]

Its an expensive sport

[regal orchid]

Wtf is Suzuki alto

[tidal jacinth]

I’ll drive your mum up the walls

[short heath]

racing is the most expensive sport out there

[versed valley]

google it

[tidal jacinth]

It’s a shit car

[short heath]

but, damn is racing cool

[mental patrol]

Id say horse riding or polo

[regal orchid]

I wanna remove my eyes

[regal orchid]

Street race

[short heath]

depends on the horse you buy

[tidal jacinth]

I just use the neighbourhood as race track

[mental patrol]

True

[regal orchid]

Lmao

[short heath]

gokarts are like pony's tho, the second you actually wanna get a proper car you're paying thousands

just to run in the mazda mx5 cup you can look at around 30k a year if you don't bin it

[regal orchid]

The only thing on the line is you

[remote phoenix]

is it normal that i still see last week's stuff on discount

[short heath]

it'll update in a bit most of the time

[regal orchid]

Yea happened to me

[tidal jacinth]

If I was spending 30k I’d want something better than a mx5 lol

[short heath]

impossible

that's with running costs inculded btw

[versed valley]

you know what they say about those that dive on fancy ass expensive cars, right?
so, that's what I drive, imagine my self confidence and the size of my pp...

[short heath]

car is like 15 to 20k to buy race ready

[regal orchid]

I don't care about luxury cars

[short heath]

then 10k running cost over a year assuming you don't wreck it

[regal orchid]

Like garbage cars for a reason

[tidal jacinth]

Yh I do believe you your talking about proper track racing tho

[versed valley]

yep, me too

[short heath]

indeed I am

[tidal jacinth]

Have to pay for all the roll cages and safety gear

[short heath]

not that

running costs

you can't just drive 24/7

you gotta buy tires, fuel, bumpers cause contact

pay people to repair your car

[tidal jacinth]

Definitely not a cheap hobby

[short heath]

it's brutally expensive

[regal orchid]

Just street race

Is cheaper

[short heath]

but, if I had the money I'd 100% do it

[regal orchid]

And if bet money

[tidal jacinth]

Yh just drive at 110 down the country lanes

[regal orchid]

You can double it

[short heath]

and years in jail, and super dangerous

[tidal jacinth]

Not in my car 😂

[regal orchid]

Is the point

[tidal jacinth]

Very true isn’t worth the risk

We like to open it up a little tho when it’s safe

[regal orchid]

Life is boring to me

[short heath]

at that point just go to a track, show what you're made of and get a sponsor

that's the only real way to get into racing

[tidal jacinth]

Like you say ain’t got that sort of money

[regal orchid]

I just need a hayabusa

Turbo

[short heath]

neither do I

but if you're damn fast you don't need money

some rich sponsor might notice you

[regal orchid]

I'm my opinion street racing is more fun than track racing

[tidal jacinth]

it’s more fun when you know it’s illegal

[regal orchid]

Yea know

The reason I like heists and stealing things

[tidal jacinth]

What’s the fastest you’ve ever drove

[regal orchid]

I don't fucking have license

Is 18 where I live

[icy depot]

Hello

[regal orchid]

I'm 15

So enough time to steal money to get the hayabusa

[tidal jacinth]

Sell cocaine

[regal orchid]

Already know

[tidal jacinth]

Gotta stay grinding

[regal orchid]

Thanks to this game

For the longest time I wanted to rob a Jewelry store

I just need to scope out some jewelry stores

Near where I live

[icy depot]

Fr

[regal orchid]

If you hear about jewelry stores being robbed in France

[icy depot]

I hate to do heists in game but love to do irl

[regal orchid]

I'm that guy

[regal orchid]

Same

[icy depot]

The name 😝

[regal orchid]

I tried on a gas station IRL I got arrested for a week

The guy was on lunch break

[icy depot]

I fr don’t like to do heists in game I have just done the casino heist and now I own 11 businesses and earned 22m in total

[regal orchid]

Away from the cash register

[regal orchid]

Done the same but in reversed

[icy depot]

Did heists?

[regal orchid]

All my money made from heist

[icy depot]

Umm

[regal orchid]

Casino heist and cayo perico heist

[icy depot]

I had help from PlayStation

I got free money every month

For having ps+

When the gtav on ps5 was launching

Like for 6-7 months it

[regal orchid]

Like 100k

[icy depot]

Ig*

I don’t remember

[icy depot]

Million every month 💀

[regal orchid]

Idke

Haven't played on that period of time

[icy depot]

U r a pc user

[regal orchid]

No

I'm playing on Xbox

[icy depot]

Then too

U would know

It was for ps+ users

[regal orchid]

One of the mods need to change the logo near at my profile

[icy depot]

Yea

U gotta unchoose the pc role

From #👉roles

[regal orchid]

.

[icy depot]

Yea

[regal orchid]

Yes finally

I'm a green bean mean machine

[icy depot]

U r new to discord ?

[regal orchid]

No

[icy depot]

Ur profile says u join discord on 27 may

[regal orchid]

You seen my discord status

Just a number:)

[icy depot]

I saw playing with paige 💀

[regal orchid]

She's needs leg surgery

[icy depot]

Ah

Nice 😈

Well

How many contacts do u have in ur phone

From the 🦄

[wintry heron]

Yo any modders

[regal orchid]

3

[icy depot]

I got 1

[regal orchid]

Seconds before I get everyone of them

[icy depot]

Yea 💀

[regal orchid]

I need used my right hand for something

[icy depot]

Ahh

Oki have fun then

Ig

[icy depot]

R u for real

[wintry heron]

yes

im fr

[icy depot]

💀

Ohk bro

Have fun

[wintry heron]

bro

[icy depot]

Yes

[wintry heron]

im not gonna beg for money

i just need one rn

[icy depot]

Why

[royal hollow]

So is the best vehicle the hakucho drag?

[icy depot]

Idk

[regal orchid]

Is good bike but not for missions

[royal hollow]

What would be the best for missions in your opinion?

[regal orchid]

Clucking bell farm raid

And the first dose and last dose missions

[icy depot]

That’s good fr

[icy depot]

This too

[royal hollow]

I was referring to vehicles 😅

[regal orchid]

Is the first thing I done

On my account

[icy depot]

David

I have a vehicle list it’s a lil old thoo

[royal hollow]

I went to the Reddit for answers but they all seem to be mixed answers

And #❔gta-info has the best top speed but that doesn’t include handling or braking

[icy depot]

Go with the hearth

I say u buy it it’s good

[regal orchid]

Choose the wrong driver for the casino heist ☠️

[icy depot]

Bro

I don’t remember it

I just remember that for me it was hard in the final mission

I did it way back in 2021

[regal orchid]

Question Simon does count as a 🦄 contact

[icy depot]

It was fun tho

[icy depot]

Yea

I like that Spanish lad (i don’t really know if he’s Spanish)

[regal orchid]

But no lap dancing

[icy depot]

Yea

From tomorrow I will complete my clucking bell and start the dr dre contract then do the first and last dose and buy acid lab and cargo bob

[regal orchid]

And Lester

[icy depot]

He’s for

Take

[crimson kindle]

are autoshop client jobs worth doing with the 2x money

[mental patrol]

Yes

[neon solstice]

No

[mental patrol]

D:<

Its good money tho

Not the best

But good

[pine hull]

should i buy f1 car

[mental patrol]

If you have extra cash yes

its not really needed tho

Nothing special about it

[neon solstice]

It's really not, they're not even worth doing, even with 2x money

[pine hull]

i dont but i can make

[mental patrol]

They are easy fun jobs that give you rep for trade prices on cars

[pine hull]

idk wat else to buy

[mental patrol]

I dont recommend it then, its a waste of cash

[pine hull]

wat should i buy

[neon solstice]

I guess if you get the mechanics to deliver them

[neon solstice]

Something that makes money

[mental patrol]

Do you want something to flex or something to just enjoy?

[pine hull]

like

[pine hull]

ehm both ig

[mental patrol]

I recommend the shotaro for fun and a flex

One of the best bikes imo

and looks cool asf

[neon solstice]

A business you don't own

[mental patrol]

But if you are low on cash, I dont recommend the shotaro

[mental patrol]

Let him have some fun

Gta cant always be about the grind

[neon solstice]

Businesses can be fun

[mental patrol]

Ehh

A few ig

[pine hull]

wat kind of car is shotaro

[mental patrol]

Salvage yard is pretty fun lmao

[mental patrol]

Its a bike

A tron bike

[pine hull]

oh i see i used to have that on my other account

it was aight

[mental patrol]

Ye

[neon solstice]

I mean, if you want fun, then the scramjet

[mental patrol]

get something fun

[pine hull]

(my 6th account)

[mental patrol]

OOO YEs fuck yea

[pine hull]

the pool magnet

[mental patrol]

Scramjet is a w

[mental patrol]

Yepp!

I forgot about it

Scramjet is a fun piece of work

But its a little annoying at times

[neon solstice]

Can be really good for pvp if you're good with it too

[mental patrol]

But if you get the hang of it, you will be set for life

[mental patrol]

We share a damn braincell

[neon solstice]

That requires being good with it

Something I'm not

[mental patrol]

Im decent with it

Not a professional tho

[neon solstice]

Been a while since I used mine

[mental patrol]

or actually

Ruiner

The ruiner is a fun choice

Not much of flex until you use it in pvp tho

[pine hull]

i use the one wich goes underground

[mental patrol]

Try the ruiner if you have some cash

[pine hull]

got

[mental patrol]

The one that has the parachute?

damn

[pine hull]

ye

[mental patrol]

hmm

[pine hull]

i bought it when it was 6m

[mental patrol]

got a mk I?

[pine hull]

:)

got

[mental patrol]

OO lala

hmmm

[pine hull]

i like the fact that ruiner shocks ppl that try to get in the car

[mental patrol]

[pine hull]

ig no more fun in gta

[crystal aspen]

ps5 NAT type failing for anyone else?

[crimson kindle]

i wonder why gta uses 99% of my ram

its fine at first but if i play for like 30 mins it uses all with like 100mb to spare lmfao

i have 16gb of ram it shoudlnt be doing this

[mental patrol]

"My owner paid for the whole stick of ram. I will use the whole stick of ram." ~Gta 2024

[crimson kindle]

lol

dude i cant even have anything else open

[little cairn]

u heard abt task manager

[clear lodge]

I got pd anyone wanna b2b?

[fallow mural]

Hey @clear lodge, These are the PS5 LFG channels.
#🎮〢cayo-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢casino-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢doomsday-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢apartment-heist-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢businesses-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢other-lfg-ps5
#1051647865367314514
#1191066904345985095
#1195473091883712542

[spark karma]

thats why pc sucks .. too many technical issues

also pc sucks for gta specifically bc rockstar neglects u

still dont even have hsw upgrades

and u have unstoppable hackers

idk how yall even tolerate playing gta on pc

it sounds horrible from what ive heard

[clear lodge]

Can I b2b with someone who has files?

In cayo

[neon solstice]

@clear lodge

[clear lodge]

I just asked a question

[neon solstice]

You'll find people in the lfgs

Not here

Talking about the replay?

[clear lodge]

Wdym?

Is that word banned?

Why

I just joined this server

[neon solstice]

Maybe if you read the rules

Like you're told to when you join

[clear lodge]

Blud no one reads the rules

[neon solstice]

Cant complain when you get a warn then

[clear lodge]

Alr I wont

If it's just a warm I'm good

Warn

[neon solstice]

Warn, mute and points

You'd know if you read the rules

[clear lodge]

Well I didn't so

And it's just a mute

At least I'm not getting banned or something

[mental patrol]

Shouldn't you get a few points for not reading the rules as well

[shy moon]

Verbal since he's new

any other time = point

[strong tusk]

Got my first car today in the books

[shy moon]

W

[strong tusk]

Yesh

I'm ready to get that money

I got contract lined up and I got cargo along with the salvage yard

[clear lodge]

What's the best vehicle for doing cayo prep missions

[shy moon]

Sparrow

[winter field]

I'm partial to the sparrow just for ease of entering the kosatka

[shy moon]

^

For the weapon loadout I just use my mk2 for stealth then get back into my sparrow to fly back

[timid mirage]

Crazy how Jamal in Salvage Yard manages to be more annoying than Lester and Pavel combined

[strong tusk]

So what happened to Trevor in gta online

Im curious

[dense oar]

Guys is GTA+ worth it like for somebody who’s new to gta online? I got nothing but the bunker from the starting thing which I sorta regret getting

[neon solstice]

Not worth it

[little cairn]

dude just use the bunker get koskata best choice u ever make

[kind goblet]

gta+ is not worth it there is multiple ways to make money as a new player that are extremely player friendly new and old

[little cairn]

^

[dense oar]

Can you list them? I haven’t touched GTA Online since I quit it on pc like a year ago

[kind goblet]

What have you actually done so far

[little cairn]

well u got clucking bell the treasure hunts and first dose missons to name a few

[dense oar]

Yeah that’s true

[little cairn]

get enough for koskata best purchase u ever make

[dense oar]

Even after all the cayo nerfs cayo’s still the best way to make money is it?

[little cairn]

yeah

[kind goblet]

Hao hsw race, dax missions, cluckin raid, treasure hunt, g’s cache, stash house and daily bmx trial easy money for new people

Plus you have the bunker and that will get refilled with the stash house so you don’t have to buy supplies

[neon solstice]

Watch tggs 2 latest rags to riches videos, they'll help a lot

[dense oar]

Thanks bro

[little cairn]

dont waste ur money on that shit

[kind goblet]

Yeah $500k a month won’t really get you that far

[little cairn]

i mean he was talking about august where it 1 mil right

[kind goblet]

I had zero idea it was $1 million now since I don’t pay attention to gta+

[little cairn]

it is for the month of august

[kind goblet]

Well at least it’s getting a buff but gta+ still ain’t worth it

[strong tusk]

Omg

Yk what I hate

People giving u a bounty and ur not able to go into passive unless someone kills u

[little cairn]

i know or u steal a car to leave an area after a sell misson

[strong tusk]

Lol

[little cairn]

i had this happen and than i tried to go into passive mode for nightclub got a drive misson

[kind goblet]

Yeah that’s annoying if it’s a npc bounty let us go into passive but a player bounty no passive

[summer fossil]

Any1 has the zr350 with the livery name winning is winning from fast n furious?

[fallow mural]

Hey @summer fossil, These are the PS5 LFG channels.
#🎮〢cayo-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢casino-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢doomsday-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢apartment-heist-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢businesses-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢other-lfg-ps5
#1051647865367314514
#1191066904345985095
#1195473091883712542

[rough temple]

I’ve anyone wants to role-play like serious rp hit me up I’ll hook u up with one of the best rp servers we do Xbox old gen only

[crude vessel]

Y’all I logged onto my old account after like 1 year and I looked at the Cayo it has panther statue and 6 gold hard mode

[dense oar]

Guys how can I make 2 million without anything?

Like I legit need money to get businesses and shit but I’m broke af

[neon solstice]

Clucken Bell raid

500k for an hours work

[rare bone]

can i not buy supplies for my special cargo using terrorbyte??

nvm i was just broke 💀

[ivory torrent]

Oops

[polar cobalt]

I'm looking to buy a Salvage Yard or an Autoshop which is discounted right now, I can't make up my mind on which to buy or maybe there's other businesses, property, vehicles I should get.

All of my business and properties are, Maze Bank West Office, Chumash Bunker, Alamo Sea and Grand Senora Desert MC Businesses of 3, Downtown Vinewood Nightclub, Little Seoul Agency, 8-Bit Arcade, Fort Zancudo 3497 Hangar.

[crisp shell]

I'm currently doing last doesse mission and for some reason the enemies just never stop spawning and I've failed for countless times

Is there any tips for gun fight?

Like I literally clear out all the enemies in the map

Then theres new enemies spawning

Oh I see

[ivory torrent]

You mean the mission where the freakshop gets attacked by these white coats?

[ivory torrent]

@crisp shell

[crisp shell]

Yes exactly

[ivory torrent]

I can help if you want

[crisp shell]

It's alright

[ivory torrent]

👍

[crisp shell]

Finally passed it

Thx guys

[ivory torrent]

Gg

[fierce surge]

hello males

[crisp shell]

I wonder what are the recommended weapons to easily sweep all the gunfights and pass missions as a new player?

[fierce surge]

mk2 ar

the g36 one

[crisp shell]

Is it purchasable at the weapon shop?

[fierce surge]

do u have the first dose missions done?

[crisp shell]

Im at last does now

I assume first dose is done?

[fierce surge]

ok so buy the special carbine from a ammunation, then go to the freakshop, then go to the weapon place and it costs a bit of money but u can upgrade ur weapons like crazy

[crisp shell]

Ah I see

[fierce surge]

i have the special carbine mk 2 and its amazing, u cant buy its ammo from the interaction menu, every time it runs out you gotta buy ammo from the freakshop though

[crisp shell]

Alright then I shall try it out when I got it

[fierce surge]

its so good, shits rapid and has nuts damage

[dense oar]

Should I cop a auto shop while their on sale this week?

[neon solstice]

Yes

[crisp shell]

In terms of durability is armor the only way to increase defense?

[neon solstice]

Yes, and you get more health the higher lvl you are

[crisp shell]

Ah I see

By any chance could you spend money to increase ur stats?

[neon solstice]

No

[thick pasture]

What vehicle should i buy? I already have the armored kuruma and a free supercar

[ivory torrent]

Depends on taste really

[gusty timber]

Get a nightshark

[icy depot]

Hello

[ivory torrent]

[icy depot]

What’s up bro

[ivory torrent]

Nm wbu

[icy depot]

Same here

Do you think buying cargo bob is worth it?

[ivory torrent]

If you plan on doing a lot of Vehicle Cargo missions, then yeah

[icy depot]

I sometimes need it in sell missions

And for vehicle cargo too it will help

[ivory torrent]

You can't, the sell mission vehicles don't allow you to hook the cargobob up

As in, you can hover over it, it'll never attach

[icy depot]

The vehicle cargo too?

[ivory torrent]

Nope, those do work

But MC sale stuff, no

[icy depot]

Hm

[ivory torrent]

Yep

So think twice

[icy depot]

I resupplied my Mc bar it worked in that

Hmm

I want to buy something

Besides some property

What should I

😰

Breh

[thick pasture]

What would you recommend me to get so i can grind easier?

[ivory torrent]

For now, just keep it at the Kuruma, can't go wrong with that

Later on you might wanna buy a Mk2 for the convenience

However you can only use it in freeroam & some contact missions

[thick pasture]

I cant use it in prep missions?

[icy depot]

What was the mission for the trade price?

[ivory torrent]

5 client jobs in the Terrorbyte

[ivory torrent]

Freemode preps, you can

Like Cayo or Casino

[icy depot]

Okok

EZ

Is buzzard better than sparrow

[clear lodge]

What's the best salvage yard to buy?

[neon solstice]

Strawberry

[ivory torrent]

Or Murietta heights, both are fine

[clear lodge]

What's so good about that one?

[neon solstice]

Good location

[clear lodge]

Wait I have 3.8 what should I buy?

Is salvage yard the best?

[neon solstice]

Depends on what you have

[clear lodge]

I only have mc and meth lab

[neon solstice]

Get a kosatka

[clear lodge]

How do u think I got my money

I've been doing so many cayod

Cayos

[neon solstice]

Agency then?

[clear lodge]

What does agency do?

[neon solstice]

Get access to the dre contract and imani tech

[clear lodge]

What's Imani tech

[neon solstice]

Dre contract pays 1mil for an hour to 1.5 hours worth of work

[neon solstice]

Special upgrades to vehicles, like missile lock on jammer and rc

[clear lodge]

There's no point I just do cayo

[neon solstice]

Good to do in cayo cd

[clear lodge]

I do b2b with my friend

[dense oar]

Guys do you lose GTA+ benefits when your subscription ends?

[visual folio]

Yes

You need to keep paying to keep it

[wintry heron]

Can I use the oppressor mark II in clucking Bell heist preps

[neon solstice]

No

[wintry heron]

What's the best vehicle for that heist then?

[neon solstice]

Armoured kuruma, vigilante

[wintry heron]

I already have terrorbyte
Idk what to choose between vigilante and oppressor mark II but the thing is whatever purchase I make between them, will be my only grinding vehicle alongside sparrow

What do u say is best, assuming I can afford both easily.

[neon solstice]

Mk2 is the best grinding vehicle

[wintry heron]

I'm mainly grinding heists atm, is it still he beter option.

Don't mind my English, not first language sorry

[neon solstice]

Yes, mk2 is really good for heist preps

^^

[wintry heron]

Ok bet

So cayo and Dr dre with clucking bell heist hen rinse and repeat to buy it?

Or is there better way

[wintry heron]

That's good for me

[neon solstice]

Pretty much

Once you have enough money, make a second character, they share bank accounts

[wintry heron]

I like using one account to be honest, just personal prefrence

[clear lodge]

How do salvage yards work

Should I salvage the cars or sell them?

[neon solstice]

Sell, always sell, you get more money

[clear lodge]

So what's the point of salvage

[neon solstice]

Literally no point, less money

[clear lodge]

Wait I bought the tow truck and staff

What will that do

[neon solstice]

You use the tow truck to get cars to salvage

Different from the 3 weekly cars

[clear lodge]

So tow truck was a waste?

[neon solstice]

Eh, makes a bit of money

[clear lodge]

How

Isn't salvage useless?

[neon solstice]

Useless for the cars you steal

Useful for the tow truck

You can't sell tow truck cars

They get salvaged

[clear lodge]

So how do u get the tow truck mission

[neon solstice]

Walk up to the tow truck

[clear lodge]

Wait how long would it take to make 3.8m from a salvage yard?

@neon solstice

[neon solstice]

You make around 1mil per week with the 3 cars

[clear lodge]

Bruh 4 weeks to make my money back

U don't get passive money?

@neon solstice

[neon solstice]

There's a wall safe, which the tow truck missions affect its daily rate

[clear lodge]

I didn't buy that

It gives daily money?

[neon solstice]

You get the standard one then, holds 100k

The upgrade one holds 250k

[clear lodge]

So what will it do when it holds 100k

[clear lodge]

.

[neon solstice]

Stops collecting money

[clear lodge]

So how long does it take to fill up

[neon solstice]

No clue on the daily rates for it

[clear lodge]

So what's the average?

[neon solstice]

No clue tbh

[clear lodge]

Wait can I send pics in here?

[neon solstice]

Gta pics here https://discord.com/channels/722716210604671026/796411125536784467

[clear lodge]

Wait I'm trying to get a car for salvage yard but I can't even find where to take the pic

[sour kiln]

anyone who plays on xbox one

[scarlet stream]

Should I buy anything before the new dlc comes out?? I plan to buy a bunker, but dunno is it good

[crisp shell]

just realize how the acid business is so unfriendly to new players

the fooligan missions require me to destroy merryweather which i got absolute destroyed by the immense troops and the delivery of acid got blocked by bunch of police which makes it impossible for me to take the bike back

should i just give up on acid business?

[sudden sigil]

I’d say it’s less unfriendly to new players and more actual player issue

Just keep playing and you’ll be better at it

[warm rose]

No. Exactly what Ruddi said, with time you’ll get better

Don’t give up though

[crisp shell]

hmmm what would you suggest for me to overcome these obstacles though

[sudden sigil]

just keep playing

the whole game is sort of brutal for a new player

and in a sense you’re correct because more recent missions from updates have AI that are legitimately equipped with aimbot and hacks

So your struggle isn’t exactly because you’re bad, but with experience you’ll be able to overcome shit like that too

Best of luck to you bro just keep at it

In due time you’ll come to miss struggling fresh off the plane

[crisp shell]

Alright. Thx for the encouraging words

[sudden sigil]

One thing I’ll say is that if you wanna power level yourself up to get max health and stuff like that then look into missions and stuff that have boosted RP for the week

You can see stuff like that in #📣┃gta-weekly-news , look for the stuff that’ll be under “2X RP, GTA$…” etc

[remote minnow]

can liveries locked behind race completions be traded through the car meet?

[neon solstice]

Yes

As all you're doing is buying a copy of the car

[little cairn]

Also rq tip abt fooligan missions u can find a new lobby it will reroll the mission

[dry trench]

Vagner or deveste eight?

[versed valley]

I'd say Vagner

just personal preference, imo it handles better and it's overall fun to drive

but you should have bought it a couple of weeks ago, it was on discount...

[warm rose]

I would have said both 😅 (set the bar for yourself high) getting 3.5 mil or so is realistic

[warm rose]

Completely agree with this

[clever girder]

I saved up around 77k so I should be set

[wintry heron]

I hope 10 digits is enough

[wintry heron]

They should make the Vagner HSW

[versed valley]

I don't care, no HSW on PC anyway...

something weird, I don't seem to have an option to react to messages, like the skull you just reacted on mine...
I can only post emojis as a message itself but not as a reaction, anyone knows why?

[frigid burrow]

Because you don't have perms

[warm rose]

Gonna guess it’s some of the extra perms I have (but could be wrong) 😅 I’m still not really using this server properly tbh

[versed valley]

perms? what's that?

[frigid burrow]

Only lvl 40 or extra perms gets to have perms to react

[frigid burrow]

Permissions

[versed valley]

yeah, I figure perms means permissions, but how do you get them?

[frigid burrow]

Like if you get the role "Extra perms", you have the permission to react on messages and to send gifs, images etc

[frigid burrow]

Lvl 60 or boost, channel member, etc

[versed valley]

I didn't even know there are lvls here, I don't know what's mine

[frigid burrow]

Go to #🤖┃bot-commands and type !rank

[versed valley]

rank #590 lvl 26... meh...

[spark karma]

anyone have tips for finding the exotic cars around the map? do they change locations every day? or maybe every new session?

i found a map online of every possible location but it wasnt too helpful

[wintry heron]

I just used my own cars and it counted. Sadly it’s patched now

[spark karma]

i alway enjoy doing those whenever i come across them.. its usualy a quick drive in a fast car .. unless its way at the other end of the map

and they are 2x pay this week

and after arriving at the dock its a good time to request a payphone hit bc when u do it from there u always get a decent location for the hit

[clear flicker]

I like that TGG subverted my expectations with the thumbnail for his video about the current event week in GTA Online.
I thought that only the LS Car Meet series races are worth at least 2 times more money this event week.
I got a pleasant surprise when Auto Shop Service and Exotic Exports (i.e. steal cars for Simeon) are worth at least 2 times more money this week.
That's good, more thumbnails like this please.

[versed valley]

I'm not getting x2 on auto shop services!! what's wrong??

[wintry heron]

Is it better to sell Hangar Cargo, Air or Land?

Thanks

[cinder bane]

I think it's exports not shop services

[trim torrent]

what should i do if everytime i try and start certain missions my screen freezes and goes blury its been happening for a year now

[regal orchid]

Buy new pc

Or not play GTA online

I get banned if Ieak Walter White secret recipe

[spark karma]

id probably try uninstalling and delting every leftover file then reboot pc and re install

pretty basic advice but its pretty effective for most things

[fair valley]

Hey can anyone tell how to get Dinka sugoi trade price ?

[trim torrent]

so basically i cant do anything

i have good pc

[regal orchid]

Choose the 7 driver in the casino heist

[fair valley]

Maybe something wrong with connections or the drivers

[regal orchid]

And drive it

[proud hazel]

Any ideas on the what the new gtao update will be

Like regarding the business and stuff

[spark karma]

yeah police missions and bounty hunting

also increaeed pay on taxi missions and ability to armor up ur sparrow

[proud hazel]

So like are the police missions gonna be like mini heists Ina way

Where u have to plan your attack

Or whatever

And then the finale is the arrest

[little cairn]

Trying to send a link to the newswire but automod didn't like it

[proud hazel]

U good I’ve seen it

I’m just asking you guys abt speculation

And how you think the business will work

[harsh sparrow]

Dogfight anyone Xbox one

Or beach aw

[little cairn]

I don't know but I'm hoping we get a police bike

[proud hazel]

Oo yea

[little cairn]

Probably something like maude bounty hunt if I was gonna guess

[spark karma]

that much is unknown i think theres gona be a new business with new set of missions and also like a thing where its gona be like old school gta games where u can get in a cop car and do little tasks like go shoot a robber or something

[proud hazel]

I think they have developed several police car models but haven’t released them yet as found In the source code

[little cairn]

Oh I know data mining is not 100% accurate but do tell

[harsh sparrow]

There was supposed to be cops update a few years back and we got the cop cars in the chop shop update

[proud hazel]

No like this was when the source code for gta5 got leaked

[proud hazel]

Yeah

[little cairn]

And then the doge challenger what ever it was called oh yeah gauntlet interceptor

[proud hazel]

Yeah and then the cruisers too

[little cairn]

I think this was gonna be part of cops n crooks just my idea

[harsh sparrow]

Idk what the new dlc will have in terms of vehicles maybe a heli

[little cairn]

When did clucking bell come out it seems quick because of reusing assets they haf

[proud hazel]

Yeah same

I’m not expecting too much since this is a summer update

But hopefully the new business is nice

[proud hazel]

December 2023 idk the exact date

Yeah rockstar fs reusing a lot of assets

Most of dev team is on gta6

[little cairn]

It was actually March 7th

[proud hazel]

Still tho reusing assets isn’t bad as long as the missions or whatever they are used for are meaning ful

Oh my bad

[tidal jacinth]

Gta 6 is a myth

[proud hazel]

I read chop shop

Not cluckin bell

[little cairn]

It's a conspiracy made so the government can do things

This is a joke

[wintry heron]

They have. There’s a lot from 2020 CNC dlc

[tidal jacinth]

The elites are ballin

[sudden sigil]

It’s to conceal global warming

[wintry heron]

It was spring this year

[tidal jacinth]

Covid 19 was a lie

[little cairn]

It was to hide the plans of Russia bc Russia and China are allies

And wonder why the USA got hit the hardest

[tidal jacinth]

Feel sorry for the people who got vaccinated 🤡

[versed valley]

it's supposed to be both

[little cairn]

It is both read the fine print

[versed valley]

but I think they did it wrong as the repair and modifications costs in the auto shop are more than usual, on most cases when you fix a client car it costs you 10-15K, and then you deliver it and make a profit of 30-50K, but not the profit looks the same, just the cost went up to 20-35K!

[little cairn]

Bro wtf

So Don't do it this week

[harsh sparrow]

Many money in gta is Loki difficult I just save up money through the nightclub and do nothing

[little cairn]

Loki difficult?

[scarlet badger]

low kee

[little cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-gif-19710448

[regal orchid]

I bet is going to be something like salvage yard

[little cairn]

I think it be like maude "treasure hunt" but u have to bring them back

Come on its r* they love reusing assets

[spark karma]

they teased a taser in one of the images so its probably a thing where u have to taze a suspect and bring them back to the station

maybe u can just murder them for less money

idk all i know is it sounds pretty fun

im definitely looking forward to it

cop missions are long overdue imo
we also need ambulance missions and or fire truck missions

i still have ptsd from the ambulance missions when 100%ing vice city lol

u had to do like 100 in a row or something ridiculous

[pastel obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/toji-fushiguro-hello-chat-toji-zenin-hello-chat-toji-fushiguro-toji-zenin-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-2972899808538251320

[regal orchid]

No gif perms

[pastel obsidian]

😔

[spark karma]

idk how to get channel levelups im at 36 tho.. maybe one day il be allowed to react XD

ill just keep yappin

[sleek otter]

Y'all

Am mentally ass rn

Legit my girl left me and things just got oofed yk

Scoped out cayo and it gave me freaking tequila

10x my depression

[spark karma]

all cayo pays essentially the same except the pink diamond

dont sweat it

[versed valley]

besides the fact KDJ and Sessanta are the most annoying characters in the game, they only remind me how much that "y'all" shit pisses me off !!!
WTF is y'all and why the f*ck people shove it everywhere with no relation to what's being said?

[daring moss]

Is the kanjo worth claiming or should I just sell it?

[versed valley]

it's a shitty car, you better sell it

[daring moss]

Alr

[safe portal]

uhhh

where to submit proof of completion of all masterminds

[cinder bane]

Make a ticket to claim role

[calm pendant]

How much does a claimed car sell for

[wintry heron]

0

[regal orchid]

True

[safe portal]

Hmu if someone down for casino hard silent/sneaky/cash (30% your cut)

[spark karma]

they are the worst im pretty sure everyone hates them..
"why would anyone wana steal a bunch of gold" sessanta asks lol also they are just rude as hell

i hope that she passes away and we get to see it in gta 6

[versed valley]

LOL...
and his sexist vulgar horny ass comments?

[spark karma]

that MMMMmmmmMM sound he makes at some point in the union depository heist is REVOLTING

[versed valley]

yeah

all he thinks is about banging that girl...

[mint falcon]

Question for yall. Im joining a cartel community and i want a reliable armored car with bulletproof windows that fits the cartel vibe (ps also has to be suv or offroad) any reccomendations?

[clear flicker]

HarmNone made a cartel-themed vehicle list as a YouTube video but I don't know if any of them have bulletproof windows.

[charred gyro]

What does b2b mean?

People keep saying b2b in the heists section

[main pine]

Back to back.

[bitter ruin]

If its a multi-millionaire vibe kinda carter, then i would recommend you to complete the Casino missions and get the Armoured Paragon R

Street cartel- Armoured Kuruma

Then there’s a bunch of Imani tech SUV’s

[magic geyser]

Guys I broke GTA

How do I clear game cache

[gentle stag]

Google/Reddit it

[magic geyser]

I fixed it

[wintry heron]

Im sad

[tawdry mural]

Does anyone one on PlayStation 5 want to do doomsday act 3

[fallow mural]

Hey @tawdry mural, These are the PS5 LFG channels.
#🎮〢cayo-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢casino-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢doomsday-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢apartment-heist-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢businesses-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢other-lfg-ps5
#1051647865367314514
#1191066904345985095
#1195473091883712542

[dense oar]

Chat what should I get for my first business/property? I’m doing missions and stuff to save money

[neon solstice]

https://discord.com/channels/722716210604671026/1224144165194174487

And tggs 2 latest rags to riches videos will help a lot

[sleek otter]

Legit the auto shop missions gives me cancer from doing it

I thought I cloud make bank💀

I wish I bought salvage yard bruh

[neon solstice]

Autoshop is easily better than salvage yard, you can make a lot more from the autoshop

[prime needle]

@dense oar salvage yard

[sleek otter]

Yeah but it's like complicated

Like tf am gonna do with 172k

[uneven thorn]

Guys i just got 1m for my first day in new account what should i do with it

Btw in 1 day i m level 20

[sleek otter]

Fun fact I never played with a girl in gta 💀

[sleek otter]

I rate that mate

[neon solstice]

Still better than salvage yard

[uneven thorn]

Good or bad

What should i buy

[sleek otter]

Good mate

[uneven thorn]

Thx

[sleek otter]

Make another one and buy the sub

[neon solstice]

https://discord.com/channels/722716210604671026/1224144165194174487

[uneven thorn]

Is it better than the night club and the office?

[sleek otter]

Yes it's too early for am night club

[uneven thorn]

How much does it pays me

[ripe crag]

anyone on PC?

[neon solstice]

Cayo is min 1mil

[sleek otter]

You need to earn 4+ business

[neon solstice]

What for?

[uneven thorn]

It s hard and i don t have someone to do it with me

[sleek otter]

I mean bro I can help you broski

[uneven thorn]

But i know the strategy to do it safely

[neon solstice]

Watch tggs latest rags to riches video, it's a full cayo guide

[ripe crag]

make money or send me peter griffin

[fallow mural]

Hey @ripe crag, These are the PC LFG channels.
#💻〢cayo-lfg-pc
#💻〢casino-lfg-pc
#💻〢doomsday-lfg-pc
#💻〢apartment-lfg-heist-pc
#💻〢businesses-lfg-pc
#💻〢other-lfg-pc
#1190735612077158441
#☝lfg-info

[uneven thorn]

Can u send it on lrv

Prv

[neon solstice]

#🎥┃videos message

[sleek otter]

If you need me to do it with you ama here mate

[ripe crag]

can some1 send me peter griifin?

[neon solstice]

You're on different consoles

[sleek otter]

So?

[neon solstice]

Ps4 and ps5 can't play together

[uneven thorn]

Thx

[sleek otter]

💀

[uneven thorn]

Wtf

We can

[sleek otter]

Bro 3 days ago I was playin with my friend he got a 5

[neon solstice]

Different versions of the game, that's why

[sleek otter]

Hold on yall

[uneven thorn]

Nah i played w friend yesterday

He s ps5

[neon solstice]

Would've been on the old gen version

Ps5 has e&e, e&e can't play with old gen

[sleek otter]

What it's real tf

[sleek otter]

No worries I got 4 too so if ya need help mate

[sleek otter]

Nah ps is ass ngl

[neon solstice]

Was using it as an example as you're both on ps

[sleek otter]

Yeah man but why tho

I swear I've played with my friend before

[neon solstice]

Wdym why tho?

[sleek otter]

Like why they doing like just let ps 4 play with 5 tf

[uneven thorn]

Should i get an appartment and a car

I want so bad the kuruma

[sleek otter]

Nope

[uneven thorn]

And lux appartment for lester heists

[neon solstice]

It's because current gen (series x/s, ps5) has a different version called e&e, old gen doesn't have e&e

[sleek otter]

Save up bro

[uneven thorn]

I need to do the fleeca job

[prime needle]

Dose anyone need help with sell mission?

[fallow mural]

Hey @prime needle, These are the PS5 LFG channels.
#🎮〢cayo-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢casino-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢doomsday-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢apartment-heist-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢businesses-lfg-ps5
#🎮〢other-lfg-ps5
#1051647865367314514
#1191066904345985095
#1195473091883712542

[sleek otter]

Ohhhh ight mate

[uneven thorn]

What is tyis

[neon solstice]

Yeah, e&e basically just has more features and shit like that

[sleek otter]

It ain't fair tho

[neon solstice]

R* being r*

[sleek otter]

They acting like ps4 came out in 2013😭

[prime needle]

@uneven thorn not sure

[sleek otter]

Mate you need people to do the Lester thingy

[regal orchid]

Why are thinking about doing the original heists

[sleek otter]

The old ones?

[regal orchid]

Yea

[sleek otter]

He's a new fella

[regal orchid]

2015

[sleek otter]

Am trying to help him

[regal orchid]

Heists

Better do clucking bell farm raid

[sleek otter]

Btw how many does it take to finish it all

[regal orchid]

Maybe I'm doing flecca only for the kurma discount

[sleek otter]

I got the Kuruma for 700k💀

[regal orchid]

5 missions are in the clucking bell farm raid

And you a sweet 500k

[sleek otter]

Yeah I meant in minutes or hours

[neon solstice]

Around 1hr

[regal orchid]

30-1hr

[sleek otter]

Ah nice

Do I need to buy the coke business?

Is it worth it?

[regal orchid]

For the nightclub yes

[neon solstice]

Definitely if you want nc to be effective

[sleek otter]

Mhmm okay

[wintry heron]

Does anyone know how to fix the duggan robbery?

I restarted it 2 times

The cars are not spwaning for me.

[golden monolith]

gta online theory: why do we lose the unmarked weapons in all the heists

like what happens to them theyre still unmarked

[crisp shell]

is there a way to check whether the cooldown for cayo perico heist is done?

[neon solstice]

Try to start the heist in the kosatka

[karmic nebula]

Go to the planning board on your Kosatka. It will probably say the heist is not available. Stay there for a minute. If the cooldown is over, you will get the notification.

[unreal quest]

Any tips to making money for a beginner?

[unreal quest]

cause its probably destroyed

u gotta call up insurance

make a claim

then it will spawn ur car infront of their dealer

then u cn js book taxi to get their

or steal a car

[wintry heron]

I don't mean personal vehicle

I mean the salvage yard robbery

Where like 7 cars roam around in that arena we disable one and steal it

But no cars spwaned for me

[unreal quest]

oh then idk im new icl

[wintry heron]

okay

[neon solstice]

https://discord.com/channels/722716210604671026/1224144165194174487
Tggs 2 recent rags to riches videos will help a lot as well

[violet canopy]

hello ummm does anyone know why i cant unlock the out of your depth trophy in gta5 ps5

[regal orchid]

Pls can someone tell me how to get gif perms

On this server

[neon solstice]

Lvl 30

https://discord.com/channels/722716210604671026/1076309071755481168

[regal orchid]

How to check my level

[neon solstice]

https://discord.com/channels/722716210604671026/722716211208650806

[silk elk]

Guys i need help i just finished act 2 bogdan and it put me back all the way to data breaches what do i do

[storm isle]

I’m unable to join any missions or heists in gta online. It says initialisation but then goes back to general online session. Any fixes?

[crystal aspen]

Chat , any idea what discounts we'll get coming Thursday?

[karmic mist]

I also want to know

[orchid vapor]

anyone wanna do gta prison heist

[sudden sigil]

Nope

You won’t know until they’re actually out

[wintry heron]

That’s a lie

We’ll know the day before

[little cairn]

Yeah we don't get the newsletter until Wednesday

[sudden sigil]

😱

[wintry heron]

You’re that surprised even tho we’ve known that rockstar has been doing this for almost a year

[sudden sigil]

😱

[little cairn]

I'm surprised we get any information at all

[wintry heron]

I’m not since it can give more players a reason to play

[little cairn]

True

But it's always trash since they got to get shark card purchases somehow

[wintry heron]

Not always

Look at the business month a couple months ago

Made 60M in 4 hours from 2X $ on crates

Public lobbies too

[little cairn]

I should of said mostly trash

[wintry heron]

They bring back adversary modes occasionally that way people can get their career progress done

Offense defense is back

[hidden ocean]

you get rid of them because they're still evidence

[little cairn]

Yeah it has your fingerprints on it

[versed valley]

Anyone having this problem as well?
sometimes, when visiting a street dealer or when trying to fast travel with kosatka, the game simply hangs, it gets stuck and nothing happens, the only way to get out of it is to shut down the game

[wintry heron]

No

[dreamy linden]

Anyone know a solution to the Humane Labs Key Codes glitch where it doesn't count it as complete?

[regal orchid]

Hard mode in cayo perico what's the bonus

[ivory torrent]

Primary is worth 10% more over Normal mode + 100K Elite bonus

[regal orchid]

Secondary loot?

[ivory torrent]

Stays the same

[regal orchid]

The funniest thing happened when selling my bunker some guy with a Lazer wanted to grief me but he crashed into a tree

[ivory torrent]

Big L for him

[white geyser]

how do i take screenshot in the game?

[marble scaffold]

What weapon target should i use

Ive never used complex but i rlly like simple tho

Btw @regal orchid what happened i thoubht u were pc

[little cairn]

Complex is shows the spread