#🚔┃gta-discussion
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If completed correctly i think so
plus it’s cheap
So nothing exactly noticeable
But the fleeca is a 2 player
If I buy a new bunker, will my gunner business be copied over there or would it reset?
it is if you pay enough attention
you’ll see what i mean if you take a look at it
You lose all upgrades but keep research progress
Thanks.
I bought it anyway 🤣 its only 75k
Basically you have 4 people for fleeca the group of 4 divides into 2 groups of 2 and both groups do fleeca after that every does the rest of the heists
i mean, i did say it was cheap
lmao
What property is on discount rn?
If you're moving move to chumash it's the best one
None that I'm aware of
The MOC if you count that
Oh aight Ty
Bought mine right near the military base river.
I just got my Chumash yesterday
I think they're pretty much the same but chumash has better access apparently
It is.
I got chumash because people said it was good
chumash is the best location
What are the new apartment heist payouts
Very one was like it saving time in runs and I really dose honestly
I thought farmhouse was the best cuz it's solo sell?
Farmhouse bunker
Ik I have Chumash
farmhouse is alright if you're located on the right side of the city ig
but it'd be a better idea to have everything on the left
maze bank west
del perro apt
chumash bunker
The fleeca scope out is 2 players how am i supposed to do criminal mastermind we need
4
Players
“To finish the Criminal Mastermind Challenge, players need to complete all the heists in order. Players need to have the same people in their crew to be able to unlock this achievement. All the heists should be done in order without dying.”
doesn’t matter if you need 4 players at all
read the achievement in game if you have to
or look it up
prison break 700k humane labs 1m series a 1.4m smth unsure pacific standard 2.5m
I mean I only use mk2 for travel and setups so idk
Mk2 is worth its quick take off & landing esp. for heist prep missions
how much faster is it
mk1 > mk2 post update imo
Should I use a sports brake for a sports car?
The cheapest
It's noticeably faster than helis for these aspects. But if you're worried about money then get Sparrow. With the Kosatka it's a money maker, i.e. you'll get to Mk2 money eventually.
Im not getting a paleto one btw
Anyone want to help me with Vespucci remix job pls
Just shoot the missiles from far
helps alot with cayo preps etc
???
but does it help more than a mk 2 would
Anyeone wanna throw a huge party at my penthouse PS5 YoBoiNate177
What is the best brakes for a sports car
So it has that going for it
kind of yes because it is cheaper and you can enter the kosatka with it without worrying about ur op mk2 to fall off
plus u dont need a terorbyte to add missiles etx
etc
I think its cheaper too
it is
Probably wrong tho
1.8m
Oh
Buy both
mk2 is 3.7m or 2.9m with trade price
Wait what vehicle are you talking about?
Kosatka sparrow
Yeah you can modify that in the sub
I thought he said you didn't need the terrorbyte to modify the mk2
just buy sparrow
mk2 aint worth it
Its real handy when you're trynna land in tight spaces
thruster can do better
isn't the mk 2 easer to control tho
Mb mb
I dont play gta as much anymore
Cant find the fun no more
if you were on console sparrow might be better
Shit without dying?
Yea?
Everyone would have done it if it was that easy
...
Simple math fr
Ignoring
Ignoring
Try it out lmao
Ty I think
What if we lost
But didnt die
And restart the heist
Does the criminal mastermind go?
Yes
Fuck
Hey can someone help me with act 1
Noe

yes
playstation can do simple math and knows that 360 doesn't come after 1
xbox one came out after xbox 360
logic
Best xbox menu = og xbox
😎
What if xbox 360 invented 360's?
How many rockets can the ACP shoot before needing to restock?
With the normal turret it's infinite
With SAM turret it's 60
Thanks.
Or 50 but I'm pretty sure it's 60
ayo everyone do u need a bunker for a facility
No.
They are completely separate.
oh ok ty
is the same true for the pounder custom?
with the SAM missile system
No it has infinite
huh?
Yes
no
No?
i’m certain there’s a limit to it
I know there's no limit during sell missions
go to kosatka
equip missiles
if it’s sea sparrow?
go to hangar
that wouldn’t make sense
It would, multiple vehicles work the exact same way during missions
it’s like saying: if the deluxo gets used in missions, it gets inf missiles
what r some good vehicles for vehicle cargo missions
which it doesn’t
No?
kuruma
That's not even close to what I meant
^ similar thing. point is, no one thing has inf missiles during a (sell) mission. it would be in the source code
they’d have to create an entire other script
which would take up a lot of dev time
sup all
i’m certain it’s fixed but idk the ammo cap
it would be a bit… much
i’m guessing it’s equivalent to APC
GTA 7 out
maybe less
You do realize there's a ton of other differences between freemode punder and sell mission pounder right...
punder
i’ve never noticed the difference because i mainly sell with the van
till recently
During sell missions you have armor and can't be locked onto, in freemode you have no such protection
So you're basing your assumption on your own lack of experience with them?
😭
I still believe it's infinite always
I know it's infinite during sell missions
i’m gonna have to test this out.. once my nightclub reaches the amount
at least stun gun isn’t infinite
it’s 2 billion something
There was a glitch to bypass the cooldown, it was extremely funny but it got removed for obvious reasons
?
wasn’t what i was talkin bout
What were you talking about
but to answer this: everything except the SAMs doesn’t apply here
since ill have to check that
So you know for a fact that it has a limit in freemode?
yes
Ok
i’m almost convinced it does
So you don't know it for a fact then
is merryweather enemies of a law enforcement?
not yet, but i am convinced
does merryweather attack LSPD
Lmao what?
no
i mean, in the wrap up story mode mission
the ammo size
but i mean
yes?
Oh it's the 32 bit int limit thing?
like in freemode
like do they attack eachother outside of missions?
Because that's 2b something
don’t think so
ok
@patent nexus @torn ruin 
I aint played that in a while lol
Hey Josh
I fucking hate autoshop deliveries
I literally lost 2k because I accidentally bumped a lightpost
Customer wants the slipperiest car ever while it fucking rains
To add on to that rockstar said that they made it less likely for your delivery driver's to crash the car during a delivery and yet it's literally the same
Not once have I ever had a delivery driver successfully not crash a car
Rockstar lied to us
Honestly, after the update I've lost no money after a few crashes, even some serious ones like running over someone, while they were riding a bike, but losing 2k for bumping into a sign is unacceptable 💀
is it possible to upload clips from my ps4 to my phone or pc
Is there a ps4 app?
j
On xbox you can
How do I unlock the jump on arena war vehicles?
Do you get a mil at the end of all the casino missions or all of them added together
yes send them to someone in chat and save it via the psn app or u could upload it yt n download it or use a usb flash drive
Probably by winning arena games
is there shark card bonus going on
No
Ok thx
holy shit thanks
there was a great white shark a few days ago
For gta + yes
no idea that would work
All them added for sure
Might be wrong tho
Where do i find the pounder after i buuy it?
Hii 🙂
if you have the playstation app you can
@wintry heron hi marky
Yo can some one play gta with me I’m bored
Pounder custom can be found in your delivery vehicle level of your nightclub garage
hi
god i hate public lobby modders
Few of em are good actually
Mostly found on PC lmao
few are. but not when you get alert locked and have to alt f4
Super difficult to mod on consoles
Going to sleep now ig @latent pelican
It's a fucken circus on ps
No
I'll beat your ass if you dont use the proper channel
Justice
For gorilla gang
Sexbox is better
Bru
Uh tf just happened
Idk
@lunar flame 
Thats my father
Lol
Chat more dead than John Marston after being shot to hell
everytime people try to cancel r* it just makes me laugh and earn more respect for em

reddit and its disaster
then dont join public lobbies
most of the time modders dont do shit just trust me
dont give them a reaction
like in chat and whatnot
i didnt
dont try to report them ingame, do it thru a video
just got alert lockrd
ofc theres gonna be dickhead modders, but a majority dont fo after you if you dont do anything
oh well, find a new sess in that case
theyll forget you existed
modders are only found in populated lobbies
no, the fact nobody is genuine about cancelling r*
everytime they release a dlc a lot of them come to it.
and undoubtedly gta6 will have everyone playing it
its pointless is all
They can brute force into invite only sessions too, terrifying
whereas ingame report actually gets blocked by modders
idk how badly you messed with a modder to make them go after you in invite only sessions, they only do that to have fun trolling and that means going after one specific player that gives them these reactions in chat or VC
goofy ass
shouldnt take you serious
Enough text from this man to make a book
140 wpm

Seems like a modder to me
Good one tho
just stfu man
enjoy the fucking ban
reported you to r* and whatnot so yeah
just blocked you, goodbye

i am
sarcasm
yours? nice
no
i will bite your ear
like mikey
Nah I could never, yours on the other hand
i honestly didnt count mine
i type faster when im not being tested
gives me stress for some reason
Take the test, I wanna see the results
The infamous apache
@wintry heron
Apáçhè117 LZZZ#8569 was muted | No reason given.
Got him again
Yeesh
nobody is going to suck your fucking cock
You can't suck what isn't there
its impossible to grip on to a thing that is considered as a myth.
the reality of life is that you can only hold to whatever is existent
¯_(ツ)_/¯
oh well
lmfao
Haha they made him vanish
why dont you guys make stricter verification @normal bramble
just picking a role in itself is easy
like
cmon
For now he always comes back
yeah cause verification is poor
Yea
and everyone over or at age of 13 has a phone number
They try their best
it makes people think twice before breaking rules
yes but it wont ever work out
email verif is easy
Night
considering buying a sharkcard to support r* in their development
next entry gonna be much more
Yeah that $20 gonna go a longgggggg way
hey, little things matter
True
honestly was it not for shark card gta6 would be delayed lol
it takes a lot of money to put into development
and staff and whatnot
1b is a lot to us because we dont run a gaming company with thousands and more of staff with high wages
rdr2 itself actually took 540Mm, and its not even as big as GTA franchise.
you can easily take a guess and double that with GTA
Red deads graphics are beautiful
yeah and thats why it took more cost
next entry will cost even more cause of graphics
never understood on what basis people thought supporting r* would delay gta6, opposite.
like seriously where the fuck did the community base that off lmao, there is no logic in it.
mr cat lmao
you disrespected me
i mightve been but now im not

play it if you want
I gotta check it out
i personally prefer 4.5666666666666
I love promising people a crazy amount of gta money if they kill me but then go to my yacht
kk
cool story
tell us more
introduce yourself, lead us on.

Intimidating 
im in shambles rn
They can still end you with yacht defences on
Now if you're cowering in your cabin
Then it's just scam
I don't think they can
They definitely can
Trust me
If they ain't in the defence range
They can do anything
Try that on pc 😭😭
Bro what
You don't know, yacht defenses reach out to a certain range where aircraft can't enter
Any aircraft or vehicle outside that range can do anything to you or your yacht
You realize it blows up bullets aswell
What?
Yeah
Blows up bullets?
So what does that mean
Someone fires a minigun at the yacht and it just blows them up?
Okay
Yes it does
That's not true
Yeah it is
It definitely is
Only thing defenses do
Is shoot down aircraft in it's range
They don't magically make bullets disappear lmao
They do though
No they don't lol
Do you own a yacht?
I doubt it cause you have no clue what you're talking about
That's not what I said
Either you've never been attacked on a yacht before
Or you just don't know what you're talking about
I'm being attacked right now
Really?
I've seen people with explosive cannons try
Missles
Normal bullets from things like a starling
Of course they blow up
I am not a yacht
Oh my God this is stupid
Thank god they removed the NFT painting from the casino
You said "you're yacht" I am not a yacht
And you clearly haven't used the yacht defenses
What are you an English teacher? We're talking about GTA dude
You ain't invincible with defenses on
And you ain't God either
You should still have an understanding of the English language
Jesus this dude
How do I do the diamond casino heist?
Arcade
Buy an arcade and start it up
You need to own an arcade
Maze banks foclusures? I’ve never seen anything about it there
You might need to talk to Lester
I’ve been avoiding his calls for a while so
No like
No go to the icon on the map
On the map
Ok
After that cutscene they will be available for purchase
I highly recommend to not buy the arcade in paleto bay
Get one close to the casino
Is it expensive
A little yeah
But you don't need the upgrades
Unless you want the mct
Most useful one
And the hacking pad
I just bought eight bit cause money
I’m going to do all of this for a vest, 🙃
Word
Every upgrade that's on the foreclosure page is cosmetic unless it's sleeping quarters of garage
Mct big save ong
You're probably better off doing quick job then
He has to do the heist to unlock the vest he wants
Right, but I’d be a random, and he would be a random, you onow what that means, but I also need to hope it’s silent and sneaky
Yeah
Big con my guy
Easiest thing ever
Big con?
Yes
What’s that..
Yeah
It's an approach
It's the easiest approach
For the casino heist
Am I able to get the vest?
Gruppe sechs
Depends
It’s like the only vest in the game with pickets and stuff
That's a silent and sneaky one
For that you need to do the infiltration gear I think that's the name
It's a setup
But gta players also like to have you join then once the mission starts they drive their vehicle for one second then leave the mission
If you want to unlock the armor and gear for that in free mode, better get used to aggressive and silent and sneaky
Aggressive is obviously the one with the armor
Armour?
Yeah same thing
I think the best utility vests are unlocked through the doomsday heist
There's like 3 with the casino
The only armor that actually helps with health
It's for s&s
In free mode, wearing a utility vest will give you something of a minor health boost or something
The most I wear is a bulletproof helmet
Master control terminal best arcade upgrade ong
Worst thing about arcade are the trophies though
Pain
Agency trophies easy
Arcade trophies pain
True
This upgrade helped me so much with making money
Why does agency give me a random 100k?
The ability to oversee every business is big save
Idk, free money regardless
Fr resupply everything all at once
It has a passive income that can stack up to a total of 250k but to make it stack quicker is based on security contracts the max you have to do is 200
It's confusing me
30 missles
I thought it wasn't limited
Scammmmm, warstock never told me that
Get the toreador
3.5 mil dusted
I know, but that's wayyyy different than the deluxo
Ok
But
I prefer deluxo
Since when am I gonna need to go underwater with missiles
Tbh I thought my first Cayo after I got rid of my pink diamond was gonna be trash but it's actually pretty good
Probably rarely
Exactly
Ruby necklace 2 gold 3 coke and 2 paintings pretty solid
Not bad man
Try the lfg channels, I know they may be bad
Ik I was about to ask there also
Pg anyone
Yes
The one after the contract, where you go in the studio for a tour
Ulp cleanup mission gives me ptsd
The short trips?
Those are easy
I did them all that first day and had a stroke when I saw the guard
Can be done with randoms
I knew when we had to go in there it was gonna be scary but dang
Hacking those 4 servers also gave me ptsd
Haven't done them yet
Same servers you hack in the heist
Plan to go in with a friend
My God man pleaseeee do them
I did them solo
They are fairly easy
At 3 in the morning
Doomsday I assume
Cause I stayed up for the update
Last mission connects to that
Anyone know how to get people into their cars because I have a apc and usually I would honk but I got proximity mines so I can't honk what should I do
And yes it's the doomsday heist
My friend just got GTA and the first thing he says is "can you show me the strip club?" 💀
Dawg
Get a car without proximity mines
@stuck wedge I sent it
Is it for that one payphone hit?
The hacks weren't hard but the amount of people you had to defend against was annoying
Exactly
Feels like I'm luring them if I do that
Just bullet hell constantly
Well the APC looks intimidating af man I'm surprised someone wouldn't think you pulled up to kill them
Imagine pulling up to a stranger in a walking warzone and being like get in
He means the shoe store
Does making guns mkll increase damage?
Some guns have heavy barrels
Depends
I don't believe the actual upgrade does anything to stats, it just opens doors to new and better attachments
Yeah the carbine does
Ong
Fr
Ok thanks
I made mine a week ago when I unlocked the heavy barrel
Didn’t even notice you could make it a mk2
I use mk 1 version with the drum mag
Heavy sniper mk2 with explosive rounds and thermal sight 
That or the heavy rifle
You never thought about upgrading?
What is this mission 😂
I did realized it didn't matter that much
Mk2 varients are better, that's if you prefer them
Kept it with the higher mag
Oh the stat changes are insane
Extended mk2 mag holds 60
Drum mag is 100
It’s worth it
That's like 40 less than drum mag mk1 right
Yeah
Still, the attachments for mk2 weapons are always worth it
But mk2 has better attachments and can do more damage depending on what you have unlocked
Although you will have to invest heavily into bunker research
Only mk2 I use are the revolver sniper and shotgun
I like the pump shotgun mk2 with explosive rounds, heavy sniper mk2 with explosive rounds and thermal sight, special carbine mk2 and combat mg mk2
Four mk2 weapons in my weapon wheel
Sniper mk2 without any special rounds is what I use
Extended mag is all
Oh and thermal
But ammo wise nothing
Ah, see, it's up to preference tbh, I run with a normal mk1 sniper with a suppressor for stealth, and mk2 heavy sniper with explosive rounds and thermal sight
Not gonna keep having to spawn in a terabyte to refill ammo
Besides both typically need 2 shots anyway I only use explosive rounds for jets
I’ve never seen anyone do this mission cause I usually avoid spoilers
This is hilarious
Whats the fastest way to fill a large crate warehouse
What's better cayo or diamond?
Diamond just takes so long cayo is 5 setups then your done
preson brek 😎
💀
Using the person inside (lupe) to gather crates while you do it also probably
She can gather 1-3 crates
Each time
Once they make special rounds buyable though the interaction menu the game is done for
The minimum payout for cayo got buffed it just takes longer for cooldown
Isn't it just for solo players?
No
I thought the 3 hour cd was just for if done solo
No
yo anybody got a shark card bonus on loading screen
sucks r* does it individually
most of them don't even buy it 
should i get the new sm722
48 minutes for multiple people
How do I make this game not feel like a chore
Spend money
Or
But the more money Rockstar makes the further gta 6 gets pushed back
Didn’t they say they are slowing updates for 5 anyways
Switch up your routine and maybe take a break and come back
Only thing I remember them saying was they dropped rdo
My routine went from cayos 6 month break to businesses and I gotta say doing businesses is far worse then any amount of cayos
I found intrest in air freit tbh
Bruh
Lol
@normal bramble he back
Noice 💀
Who's back
Make air freight cargo give 10 items per run so it’s 100k every 10-20 minuets
Personally cayo sucks for me
Bores me on how easy it is
Try going in from other entree vehicles (I have never done this)
The guy who got muted
Did all of them
Know what’s worse going somewhere to click a button then getting to drive a car to a yellow dot every hour
What was their name
Apache
Those first sale missions made me way more money than a cayo ever did tho
Almost 1 mil on weed alone
I hate how randoms in gtao dont join setups but join finales like holy
Fr
And still find ways to fuck it up
They be professionals at that
I be sitting in the bus setup for an hour and no one joined💀💀
Better to assemble a team if you have to do setups anyway
Either friends or someone from lfg channels
I dont have friends xoxo
Guys I can't launch gta online is says offline mod pls help
- idk how lfg works😨
bruh it's simple
check pinned messages in #lfg-apartment-heist
Guys help
something like LF1 to do (heist name) preps with
Steam?
Epic game
check network connection, log in and out of epic
Error 3000.108
restart device
did you fuck with R* before badly? such as a ban? @sly orbit
No
no mod and whatnot?
No
if this doesn't work and other methods you might need to redownload
Just started playing
check firewall too
Does high value now effect mc business
I mimir now
Im on ps4 n theres no pinned messages in the ps one😩
You mean the extra money you get from selling in public lobbies?
it always did 
Basically you go to the channel that matches your needs then ask for help people will help you with what you need help with
So if you need an extra person for a casino heist go to #🎮〢casino-lfg-ps4
Works if you wanna help others as well
Then how do i get them to join me?
Or how do i join them?
Sorry im new idk how this works
They'll like add your psn or you add theirs typically that happens In dms
stfu bitch
🤓 I love racism!
that's not correlated to racism.
but ig on that period
slavery used to exist on non-POC.
Maybe it isn't correlated to racism
But it's correlated to your retardation

uses my words and still couldn't create a better one.
who asked
Any1 trying to run back to back cayo?
replay glitch?
who?
This is painful
based
I cannot get anyone to join my setups
based on my dick? @lavish warren
I am suffering
call me Mikey Le'Tesone the way I'll bite your ear
who?
It's rare to get people to help with the apartment heist in general setups are worse
who?
asked
Im desperate for people
I'm desparate for your mom
Im desperate for @wintry heron dick
that's like a 13 year old
ayo
I'm in a GTA server surrounded by 10 year olds, I can act how I want
💀

I mean I don't think you wrong on that tbh
i'm going to bite your ear
I'm gonna bite your dad
no the person is wrong on that
one would be mature enough not to act like the kids.
cx shut your ass up you retard
Nah the way mfs be arguing and talking be immature and dumb asf
it's a fucking GTA online server
most whom are arguing is 13 and 19
lmfao
adults vs kids
it's fun tho
i love drama!!!
Still kids your point
At this point might as well become the most fucking annoying gtao griefer and buy the oppressor mkII
Sounds like a good plan
and then get fucked by a lazer
woah

Would rather get fucked by your dick daddy😩
get the mk2 but if you see a lazer on the map, quit quick
Huh
Hi maru 
hello 
How are youuuu
i guess i'm fine
Is something wrong?
outta pocket
what do you gain from that

what purpose in life has brought you to thy's comment of such
Ur cum
agreed
legit question for Xbax users, is there any real difference in performance playing Xbax one compared to the S model? NOT talking about shitty next gen that you can't even get your hands on without being scalped
xbax

tf is xbax
still better than the Piss station
of course master race doesn't give a fuck

console wars are always triggered by console players, stop mentioning other platforms
oh my~ is that an invitation?~ 
i didn't even mention PS and an xbox user already did. tf
literally i'm NOT EVEN trying to. i'm asking because i think my system is dying and i'm looking to upgrade without my affordability before you sperged about grammar
i'm not reading that
just find a solution
👍
sorry that happened or glad that happened
mkay, block and ignored since you don't wanna talk
X b a x
this guy is obsessed with me fr
now with that, ANYONE ELSE who's actually useful wanna give an opinion and help?
i love calling it XBax
anyways, system is dying and i'm thinking of going from base model to series S. is there any notable difference in online any of you noticed?
Fr like we all game plus cross Plat becoming more and more common for games so it literally doesn't matter wtf you play just enjoy the games
Bruh it's literally only four lines of text
How do you not read that
literally playstation are the hold outs that are keeping it from going cross platform in general. something about them wanting exclusivity rights for their system about some shit. but it is them as a company doing it
sex
Then you got beef with a company not a console

i never said i have a beef with the console, I own both but play XBax. the hell made you think i hate the PlayStation system?
Oh idk the fact you said this
Well it's because setups give almost no money
And they just want da money
debatable
yes, and I also insult Xbox by calling it XBax. just like PC master race was originally meant as an insult to PC users for their arrogance. its a term of endearment you use to mock each other. stop taking it personally for gods sake
😭
Never took it personally but ight
Aight jumping on GTA to spend money and check out the new shit
cool let us know when you drink water too
might as well let us know when you're gonna sleep
why not include when you're gonna go outside (never gonna be notified of this)
I will DM you all this info :)
Open them
Lmfao havent done cayo since the dlc
bio goes so hard
it's making my thing hard bro
Me hasn't done anything since DLC... Except go broke
chill
Facts
theres a lotta problems playstation as a company has that they really need to work on mostly in reference to customer service and online connectivity with their PS+ shit. the biggest bone i have against the company is censorship in general especially with translated titles but they did make a good system and still have some banger of game exclusives
Gotta buy everything because eh, bored
🤓
I have 2 pennies
can i ice you @supple fractal
But they are worth 1 million each
sure😏
By having fun in it


play a new game and find friends
🤓
The fuck is this car
Bruh
2 million for something without a roof
Greenwood would be good if it had bulletproof windows
this guy defo the type of person to go into english class in the morning and use high vocab words just not to get a point across
Fallen taco said "this game"
the only 2 things I want in gta rn are weaponised ignus and the new off road truck
yes i am superior to you guys, thank you for noticing 
Aye, it reminds me of an old detective car
"this game" isn't meant to be played much
it can only feel like a second job if you grind it
and to grind it you'll need to play a lot
Legit exact words i told my friend
goes hard
i'm gonna go hard in you
Bruh it's literally just a normal car why would it have bulletproof windows
😎
I'm already hard 🤪
Imani tech

It's also the only thing that looks decent
0
Im going to sleep
ask @wintry heron
also 👉 #📜┃all-server-info
100000000
Ill talk in like 7 hours
?tag r mod
This is not a glitching/modding server. DO NOT request help for/promote glitching
refrain from glitch talk
Trial mods are faster than real mods 
yeah bc they actually r trying
what about bugs, like the rescue agent mission where he won't leave the fucking room when you get to him?
real mods are active in gorilla chat
Bugs are fine
and prolly cause trial mods want to prove they can be real mods





