ToolKitty

[zenith void]

Truly ideological anti-capitalist it

[dark bay]

I think GTK was under GNU licence. Not sure about now.

[zenith void]

The relationship between OSS and Big Tech is a bit tricky imo

Lots of free labor to go into the pockets of VCs

[dark bay]

Ohh.... its still under GNU 😅

[zenith void]

Yup

[dark bay]

Thats a trap

[zenith void]

The Gnu Tool Kit

[dark bay]

It's in the title lol

[zenith void]

If u want to make closed software, yes

[dark bay]

Like if you build something awesome using GTK, and you think... I could sell this... then you realise you can not.

[zenith void]

But u can flip it around and say that MIT is a trap if you don't want your work to end up in closed software

[dark bay]

Its like... why learn a tech that you can not earn from?

[zenith void]

You can earn, but different business model

Open source business model

[dark bay]

Kinda... you can actually change the license later on for future versions.

[dark bay]

Via donations and technical support?

[zenith void]

Sure, but in 99% of the time that is also the end of the project

[zenith void]

For example

Consultancy and the like

There are plenty of examples

Linux foundation for example

[dark bay]

Is that how solid survives?

[zenith void]

Redis upto recently, but they flipped the license and lost all the goodwill of the community

[dark bay]

... thought I was in DM, not under ToolKitty... but it's OK for all to read 🤣 ... forgot where I was.

[zenith void]

There is the OpenCollective thingy. I wouldn't say Solid "survives" from an economic pov tho, nobody works on it full time

[zenith void]

Ooooooooops hahaha

Me too

[zenith void]

Changing a license is really tricky. I think with all Successful Art it is 10% about making the thing and the rest about finding your audience.

Licenses are kind of a way of picking your audience and there is not a lot of overlap between the true FOSS- and permissive OSS-community.

[dark bay]

Yeah exposure is hard in the closed world.

[zenith void]

ye, that's then even the third category i guess: FOSS (GNU)- OSS (MIT) - Closed Source

FOSS and Closed Source stay in their own place, OSS can flow to both FOSS and Closed Source (although ig FOSS people would prefer to use software with also FOSS license)

[dark bay]

I think Inigo's math is MIT

[zenith void]

ye, he even adds license headers to his shadertoy shaders

kinda fun

[dark bay]

Lastly, all code snippets you'll find are under the MIT license so you can easily reuse them.

[dark bay]

I read the licenses should be readable from the user interface (help -> about...) so non-technical users can read the licenses.

[vocal saffron]

Do you have a live demo of it somewhere? I checked the site but couldn't find it (or don't know how to use it). Once you make something interesting with it we can demo it on there! Something that will show people how to use it. The main idea for the site it to be inspirational and educational, to get people started making cool things based on prior art.

[dark bay]

Yeah... not very user friendly though:
https://clinuxrulz.github.io/kitty/#/model-editor

Also attached is some test files you can load into it: (via the up arrow)

Max Iter of 100, with Tol of 0.001 tends to produce nicer renders.

and chaning Max Iter does keep recompiling the GLSL each key stroke, so you may want to set that in advance before loading something on the screen.

Also it doesn't bother me if the tool doesn't make it's way into webgl.com, she is a bit rough at the moment.

[dark bay]

It does not really teach people about webgl, because it is all abstracted away by the node-graph DSL.

[vocal saffron]

A cool. I'll try these soon.

I was confused, didn't know what to do. Highly recommend defaulting to showing file(s) out of the box, so that the default experience isn't a blank

[dark bay]

Yeah. I probably need to work on it a bit more to make it demo worthy.

And probably need to write an article on GPU ray marching to go with it.