need help with weapons

[tender sandal]

!ds3 bis pve

[viral cloak]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qZddtkmMLAZGPx4eEFH50XkPkSiClLSM-DhJdwQsGcQ/edit?usp=sharing

[raven yew]

@halcyon sequoia just depends on what you like using tbh. But the typical "OP" early game weapons would be sellsword Twinblades, Broadsword/Lothric Knight sword/Exile gs

[halcyon sequoia]

i got the twinblades but i wanna use the great sword but i need to grind lvls for it sadly

[raven yew]

The guts sword

[halcyon sequoia]

yep

[raven yew]

Its 28 str req right?

So 20 str to two hand it

[halcyon sequoia]

yea 28 or 29 cant remm

[raven yew]

At early levels its just not worth it

Unless you wanna save time and use CE

[halcyon sequoia]

nah ig ill use str build with guys sword until i find some cool ahh weapon

dw ik how to most of the stuff cuz i played alot of souls games

[buoyant cove]

lothric knight sword

[raven yew]

The problem with that weapon isn't just the str req. Its also the weight

[raven yew]

Functionally the same as longsword but the R2 R2 is nice vs mobs imo

[halcyon sequoia]

yea i need to use it without armor but atleast ik how to perfect dodge🤧

[buoyant cove]

functionally the same as a longsword with less damage

[raven yew]

Its basically identical on most builds

[buoyant cove]

but it's less

[raven yew]

Still worth it for the peak R2

[buoyant cove]

r2 in pve

[raven yew]

Stuns enemies where R1s wouldn't. Is useful

[buoyant cove]

uh huh

the normal enemies that are famously hard to beat without strategizing

[raven yew]

When is even last time you played the pve bro

Gtfo 😭

[buoyant cove]

what would it matter?

has the pve changed since 2019?

[raven yew]

I wouldn't be giving situational advice about DS2 PVE if I hadn't played it in 7 years

Even if it hadn't changed at all

[buoyant cove]

you're not me though

[raven yew]

Thank god for that

[buoyant cove]

you're stupid and were never good at the games

[raven yew]

Toxic

[buoyant cove]

based on your message history

not toxic, just an observation

[raven yew]

Such as?

[buoyant cove]

do you want me to dig?

it's just a general theme

you always say things that are maybe close to being correct but not really

[raven yew]

Maybe I'll learn something

[buoyant cove]

like you have the right idea but lack the skill or knowledge to be close

even in this post

had you said "bs damage" as your reasoning for lkss i'd be like "whatever, sure"

[raven yew]

True I forgot to mention the crit damage

[buoyant cove]

you never respond when i corrected you previously

so idk why i would be different now

[raven yew]

When

[buoyant cove]

i think the last thing was about why claymore r2 is good

like you were about 75% correct

which is to say, not correct at all

[halcyon sequoia]

yo yall whats better guys sword or the exile sword?

or should i just use the butcher knife?

[buoyant cove]

sword

what

it's pve, just use what you like the most

[halcyon sequoia]

i just wanna whats better cuz i like em all

[buoyant cove]

exile is the best large weapon

[raven yew]

I don't think me considering claymore R2s with Leo ring to be good in PVE is something objectively wrong. It's just better damage per hit. Whether its better than just using R1s is probably not true for bosses but true vs mobs imo. I just don't see how that warrants calling me stupid lol.

[raven yew]

Exile is better than butcher and guts sword

[buoyant cove]

that wasnt it

[halcyon sequoia]

ight ty

[raven yew]

That was what you brought up though

[buoyant cove]

actually i revised my statement

it's like 25% correct

[raven yew]

Oh for pvp

Which part of that is wrong

[buoyant cove]

no mention of gaels which shares the same moveset
huge damage in trades is true i guess but still only 10% of the equation
"reliable rollcatch" is an abject falsehood

[raven yew]

I forgot about Gaels. Reliable roll catch in the situation that a random queues roll out of stun. Which happens a lot in invasions tbf

[buoyant cove]

that's a non statement

i can rollcatch randoms with greathammer r1s

doesnt mean they're reliable

[raven yew]

Its harder to do that than just do R1 R1 R2 anytime you use those gs

[buoyant cove]

when you're talking about something being the "best" it always means between reasonably competent players

[raven yew]

No it doesn't

[buoyant cove]

it does

otherwise every weapon is the best

because randoms die to anything and everything

[raven yew]

The guy wasn't asking "whats the best gs to use vs a competent duelist"

[buoyant cove]

it's implied

[raven yew]

In most situations you will be invading or even dueling randoms

[raven yew]

It's not

[buoyant cove]

i'm telling you it is

[buoyant cove]

and in those situations everything will work equally

[raven yew]

Thats just not true

[buoyant cove]

so to say any one weapon is the "best" is also false

technically hollowslayer is the best gs to use against randoms

because it kills them the fastest if you just spam r1

[raven yew]

Even vs randoms you will struggle more to use worse gs/ghammer than onyx/gael/clay

[buoyant cove]

based on what exactly?

i legit kill randoms in two ledos wa

youre gonna tell me thats harder than r2 rollcatching them to death?

[raven yew]

Ledos wa is a unique case tbf. I was talking about normal ghammer moveset vs poke gs

[buoyant cove]

and this was a complete lie btw

youre more interested in winning the argument than being correct

[raven yew]

Source? I asked you questions and you just made assertions based on false assumptions

[buoyant cove]

you are the source my guy

[lunar quest]

What enemies?

[buoyant cove]

ask anybody else if they agree

[raven yew]

What do you think makes the poke gs better if not the damage and the better roll catch potential of R2s

[buoyant cove]

reach, tracking, lingering hyperarmor

[raven yew]

Thats fair

[buoyant cove]

i know

because i know 100 times more about the game than you

[raven yew]

Why not just say that

[buoyant cove]

you never asked

you just wanted to defend yourself

[raven yew]

I didn't have to. You just wanted to shit on me for "being wrong" instead of just explaining how I'm right in a more elaborate way

[buoyant cove]

why would i know to answer a question you never asked

am i expected to be a mind reader now

[raven yew]

Because you were claiming that I was wrong about something. Only makes sense to explain why

[buoyant cove]

you didnt even ask why your statement was wrong either

[raven yew]

I literally did

[lunar quest]

What enemies?

[buoyant cove]

yeah and then you immediately became defensive when i answered

you never asked what the right answer was

until you did and i answered

so i dont see what the problem is

and you technically didnt ask why it was wrong you just became defensive which prompted me to ecplain

[raven yew]

I can't recall the names but there were a few that were staggered by R2 R2 when they weren't staggered by R1s. Possibly the lothric and black/silver knights?

[lunar quest]

So your argument hinges on “possibly” and “I don’t remember”

[buoyant cove]

and "it works on randoms"

[raven yew]

No I'm certain it happened. Just can't recall exactly which cases

[tender sandal]

the humble backstab

[buoyant cove]

"it was real in my mind"

[lunar quest]

s!mute @raven yew 24h Get out of here

[buoyant cove]

like deadass

[umbral totem]

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[buoyant cove]

which lkss would be better for

idk why he didnt mention that

either stupid or inexperienced or both

[lunar quest]

I will never understand people who try to be pedantic over pve

Every enemy in the game gets hard countered by holding B alongside a directional input

Complete non factors

[buoyant cove]

@lunar quest

can you unmute him

he needs to buff boss hp and die because he was doing lkss r2s

[lunar quest]

I can

I’m not going to

[buoyant cove]

@raven yew welp i tried

bro got lucky; i was gonna mute him for a week

[lunar quest]

You still can

[buoyant cove]

nah thats mean

[lunar quest]

True that would be very unlike you

I restricted him from this channel and builds anyways

Hopefully he either gains self awareness or stays in white sign