#My friend says strength is op?

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cunning cosmos
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My friend says strength is a broken build in ds3 and I thought strength was like the most balanced build there is am I wrong?

He also said any dark souls 3 player would agree strength is op but I swear it's not I've used it for every souls game and it's not even close to op?

west axle
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in both Dark Souls 1 and Dark Souls 3 the highest DPS output is from a weapon that is optimally used on a dexterity build

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in Dark Souls 2 scaling is relatively useless

wicked zealot
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also what cryptid says

lethal token
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Your friend might be a bit smooth brained

cunning cosmos
cunning cosmos
unborn yacht
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Faster is always better; a lack of meaningful hitstun in PvE means that more hits = better

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Poise damage has since been standardized and weapons are much closer in said poise dmg to one another

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In other words, quicker staggers faster anyway

west axle
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not always, reclub poisebreaks notably faster than broadsword does

lethal token
unborn yacht
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I know its got higher hitstun alongide the heysel

west axle
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no

unborn yacht
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Then why reclub and not any club? Reported for harassment.

west axle
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because reclub is based

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1h ss R1 has 25.2 poise dps
2h club R1 has 38.57 poise dps
2h hammer R1 has 39.22 poise dps

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ugs are so cucked, they get beat in poise dps by 2h flip cs

unborn yacht
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hammer is faster than club?

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no way

unborn yacht
west axle
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no, they're an outlier

unborn yacht
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which way

west axle
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highest poise dps in the game

unborn yacht
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fuckkk

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i will always hate the rkpgs this is an attack on me

west axle
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first R1 is faster

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in a realistic scenario reclub probably beats other hammers

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that's an issue that happens when an attack chain has a significant outlier like that

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wkta are another one

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because the third L1 is so damn slow

unborn yacht
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praise be to the twinaxes

west axle
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if you ignore that one when calculating attacks per second it is much faster

unborn yacht
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you know what

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whats the lowest poise dps

west axle
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whips

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1h R1 specifically

unborn yacht
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should've figured

west axle
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greatlance 1h R1s are next

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crow quill L1s next

unborn yacht
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not my boy greatlance :(

west axle
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1h pikes after that

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then 2h whips

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imagine being worse than a whip

unborn yacht
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pikes are slower than spears 1h

west axle
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yes

unborn yacht
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nobody believes me

west axle
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I thought this was common knowledge

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they're also slower 2h

unborn yacht
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WHAT

west axle
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except for war banner and rks

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because they have spear 2h R1s

unborn yacht
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i thought they had identical r1 chains 2h

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how much slower

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because i never noticed a difference

west axle
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I need to open animation studio because this frame data chart appears to have referenced either war banner or rks when they were writing 2h values

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gimme a minute

unborn yacht
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save me dsas save me

west axle
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hold on I think I'm losing my mind

west axle
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idk what I was looking at

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like, I can't even find the incorrect values I have anywhere

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they are slower 1h tho

unborn yacht
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Sorry I pressed the button that makes you forget things

west axle
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but not into chaining R1s

unborn yacht
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wa?

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ooohhh i do also know lkls/pike get extra sourspot hitstun

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is this true of spears

west axle
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no

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that's also only the first R1, second has equal stun on the shaft and the tip, and third has longer stun on the tip than shaft

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spear has equal between the two hitboxes on all three R1s

unborn yacht
west axle
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yes

unborn yacht
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on weapons that yknow only have two r1s like not daggers

west axle
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there's a unique attack ID for every single animation

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every weapon class has 3 R1s

unborn yacht
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e.g. 2nd r1s tend to have lower hitstun

west axle
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that's about it

unborn yacht
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Oh

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No special funny properties to know of

west axle
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nope

unborn yacht
west axle
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that's the only one that does that

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Valorheart gets unique R1s when 2h

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the rest are identical to when 1h

unborn yacht
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So the game doesnt care if you're one or two-handing a paired weapon if you're just using its 1h side

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Okay

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Darn thought i was about to unlock the secrets of the universe

unborn yacht
west axle
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there's significantly more variance in frame data than there is in attack data

unborn yacht
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One day dsas will be free

west axle
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it is free wym

unborn yacht
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Dont you have to pay five bucks for it

west axle
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no

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that's only to have the most up to date version

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unless something has changed in the past couple years that I don't know about

unborn yacht
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Oh

west axle
unborn yacht
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Thanks mate

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Now I can go mad with stuff nobody cares about

wicked zealot
west axle
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yes

wicked zealot
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that weapon is my goat 🗣️

unborn yacht
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reclub my offhand noobslayer

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i will always love you

cunning cosmos
lethal token
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Even better lmfao

wicked zealot
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lmfao

fast abyss
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The result of playing games that don't require learning to beat them

cunning cosmos
cunning cosmos
fast abyss
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If they did they'd be out of business

cunning cosmos
cunning cosmos
fast abyss
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I'd like to ask him how strength builds take no skill when every build in the game plays the exact same

wicked zealot
wicked zealot
cunning cosmos
cunning cosmos
fast abyss
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