Did I lock myself out of Duel Bow gesture, and By My Sword gesture?

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I am trying to obtain all gestures for the achievement but I foolishly walked into the boss room and killed the Abyss Watchers before summoning Londor Pale Shade, and Black Hand Gotthard. When I go to the bonfire Londor Pale shade does not appear as well as the stairwell before the church with Black Hand Gotthard. I am in good standing with Yuria and have achieved the dark sigils and max hollow level with Yoel before he died. Will I have to obtain this in NG+? Or will other boss fights have their summon.

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Black Hand Gotthard and Paleshade should have their summon signs right outside Pontiff Sulyvahn’s fog gate

Once you summon them, they’ll give you their gesture. You can send them away afterward if you don’t want them in the fight

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they'll still appear even after i killed the abyss watchers?

oh wow

sorry i misread

i got you okay thank you

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Yep, the devs thought of that thankfully

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yeah i was like damn