Ultra+ 2.21 Patch Patch Patch Patch :)

[plucky tulip]

i could be wrong though ;

[fallow thicket]

i see so it doesnt effect anything?

im testing it right now and it seems like everything is works fine

[plucky tulip]

i don't think so... the only thing i can see that might do something is astonishing crowd density, and the global illumination distance (/graphics/advanced/GlobaIlluminationRange = 1)... which isn't necessarily a quality setting, it's just ... does GI go farther or shorter? ... i'll try adding that to U+ and see what happens. (it will only make any difference for RT and RT+PT and mayyybeeee raster)

[fallow thicket]

Btw PT16 with insane quality looks amazing I’m using it with Realcolorr III and it’s mind blowing

[plucky tulip]

oh yay! 😊

here it is with the farther GI range. i've also added it to debug, but it scales automatically (it's enabled for High and Insane)

[fallow thicket]

Thanks I’ll try it tomorrow because it’s 6AM and I’m still rolling in the bed lmao 🤣

[plucky tulip]

umm, how am i getting 107 fps at 4k with PTNext Insane?

[long galleon]

Just me whining again... your zip files are inconsistently foldered so the unzip location has to be double-checked every time XD

About to test this one

https://youtu.be/m7FG3iuG6eU

[long galleon]

And the shadow thing is back

[plucky tulip]

yes PTNext is broken

i has a cold

[long galleon]

So get a warm, that'll fix it

If you check the first video there's also a setting that changed by itself and I couldn't leave the menu until I fixed it

[plucky tulip]

that's because U+ changes the shadow mesh quality to medium 😜

also why do you enable raster distant GI?

[long galleon]

I like distant things, I like illumination, it says it defaults on, there was no description of why to have it on or not and I was like "I want all the things" and so it sounded like a thing I wanted

This is the type of user you have btw XD

Me, I am that user

[long galleon]

So stop doing that =P XD

[plucky tulip]

• Disabled distant global illumination for path traced modes (still testing) because it seems to double draw some reflections with PT
  😊

it's only in bvh and it looks doubled up to me. i've only just noticed this but i have a cold

lmao

so is pogramming

[long galleon]

I don't know what bvh is but if the tooltip said something like "may cause double reflections" then I'd be like 'oh okay' and not enable

I know it's beta so you haven't put that in the tooltip yet but that's why I turned it on, I was like 'huh, this is off'

"I don't know what it does but it sounds nice, I'll turn it on"

This is why I need your instructions of what to do/not do very specifically XD

[plucky tulip]

bvh is big vacuum hose

bulging villain headquarters

[plucky tulip]

but it's listed under "Raster" 😊

banana viking helmets

[long galleon]

I dunno what raster is, is it tasty?

[plucky tulip]

😄

[long galleon]

raster sounds like faster so it's probaby something good

I want these raster things. turns them all on

[plucky tulip]

blistering vroomfondel hankerchiefs

there's an awful lot of nonsense in my head

[long galleon]

booming vulcan hooligans

[plucky tulip]

bountiful vegetable harvest

[long galleon]

That's a good one

Big Vik's Headquarters Hangout

[plucky tulip]

😂

oh! apparently it's bounding volume hierarchy

it's "stuff in reflections"

apparently SIN was not a good enough acronym

[long galleon]

Well I hope my videos help, I should probably sleep sometime between now and work

CNML is basically release-ready imo, working on an update for Clairvoyance

I also updated butt dial and random destination, dunno if you or anyone here uses those

[plucky tulip]

https://youtube.com/shorts/3tKPmo-nQFU?si=YbqtJyDpglZ6OZlB

i hate this video 😂

[plucky tulip]

they do, thank you 😊

[plucky tulip]

well, I have somehow broken my pillow

this is how my day is going 😂

it's insides are somehow twisted in the most ridiculous and irritating way 😂

and apparently it's impossible to undo

😠

apparently I sleep violently

lmao wtf

[long galleon]

Same

[plucky tulip]

really?

apparently I've punched my husband in my sleep 😂

[long galleon]

I dunno, I've never slept next to anyone. Apparently I snore so loudly that nobody could

[plucky tulip]

soft. just wear ear plugs 😊

[tidal karma]

My wife does that not because I snore but because the kids come in at 1 or 2 am to ask “where’s the ketchup” or can you make me cereal 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️ and since my ear holes are the size of an infants I can’t wear ear plugs so I get to wake up

[plucky tulip]

omg. if you're eating ketchup at 2 am you can make your own cereal! kids! 😂

[long galleon]

Hey, I don't make the rules

Looking forward to next version of U+

[faint sage]

Sam, if you haven't yet updated to today's NV driver, just do a before/after in-game benchmark to get my point about drivers "sub-versions" in CP 😉
Those should respectively be 560.70 (560.00) / 560.81 (560.78)

[tidal karma]

Are they better or worse?

[faint sage]

The drivers ? Haven't noticed a change yet

[real holly]

Hola Sammi,

I notice the following in UltraPlus.log:
[2024-08-06 12:50:58 UTC+02:00] [76760] ...ber_engine_tweaks\mods\UltraPlus\perceptualautoscale.lua:9: attempt to index upvalue 'logger' (a nil value) stack traceback: ...ber_engine_tweaks\mods\UltraPlus\perceptualautoscale.lua:9: in function 'AutoScale' init.lua:494: in function 'DoLazyUpdate' init.lua:549: in function <init.lua:535>
Repeated many times. I guess something isn't set right.

Using UP 5.0.1 in the RT+PT mode with console logging turned on.

[lilac canyon]

is there any way to force local shadows at a distance in RTPT? usually they appear when you come close and sometimes completely missing for NPCs and V

[real holly]

@plucky tulip I am pretty sure you are right about Sharc missing in DLSSD 3.7.10, I am also seeing it in Portal RTX.

[plucky tulip]

okay, that's good to know, ty for the confirmation 😊. i thought i was going mad! 😂

[plucky tulip]

yes that's fixed in 5.2, i'm just testing now, i just have limited time at the moment

[real holly]

No worries. 5.0.1 still works fine for me, even if it has the shadow bug that seemed gone in 5.1

[plucky tulip]

here you are 😊

• Moved EnableLocalLightImportanceSampling to quality and enabled for PT16 High and Insane. It should be disabled for all other modes, it's not compatible and introduces problems
• Added Crowd Density to the snapshotted graphics menu settings. To snapshot, open and close CET
• Disabled attempting to get Cyberpunk to save graphics settings automatically due to the swapchain crash bug in CET. The CET bug needs to be fixed before this can be done reliably
• Disabled distant global illumination for path traced modes (still testing) because it seems to double draw some reflections with PT
• Increased PT20 RayNumber to 3 to prevent occasional boiling in low-light situations especially with skin/subsurface

[long galleon]

5.2.0-beta02 still has the shadow effect

[plucky tulip]

hmm, i didn't get it. do you know what was the last version without the shadow?

[long galleon]

This shadow has occurred before and there was a setting that after adjusting a setting, it fixed the shadow. It has been discussed in this channel before if anyone is good at searching discord

[plucky tulip]

ohh ... yes my fault, Editor/ReGIR/UseForDI needs to be toggled on and off after landing in-game

you can do it manually, it should fix it

[long galleon]

I think something about 'separate denoiser' maybe, but I can try that

First I gotta do a little more work, still working hours x.x

[real holly]

Just to doublecheck -- reLight is something in GITS, right?

[long galleon]

Relight is when you light and it goes out and you light it again

[faint sage]

I can relight to that 🤣

[real holly]

Thx. Yeah I was just wondering if I understood the setting in UltraPlus 😄

[fallow thicket]

hey i have a question why is there a fake shadow with PT if u zoom in and out into npcs? right now im using U+ making it little better but it still happens i tried without U+ it still exists but worse

[fallow thicket]

never mind i fix it changed 3.7 DLSS to 3.5 and it works

i guess 3.7 DLSS was unfinished with shadows

[real holly]

@plucky tulip 5.2.0-beta02 has the same issue the 5.1s had for me
The first launch of CP77 works fine.
The second launch seems to corrupt several other CET mods' settings files and fail to launch.
Every subsequent launch will crash the moment it should go to the main menu with no errors raised.

[fallow thicket]

never mind it still a thing...

[plucky tulip]

there's no way it can touch other mod settings files

hmm i might have to have a switch to enable/disable saving the graphics menu

or... just spend some time fixing CET

[long galleon]

For now I'm just using NSGDD instead of the command line so my settings don't have to be redone every game

[plucky tulip]

it's fairly close to cinematic except for some cinematic type effects (fog/lighting) just in some specific areas

[real holly]

Dunno what to say. I have had the issue two times so far where multiple CET mods' settings files were overwritten with NUL ASCII characters, and both times was after UltraPlus 5.1 or 5.2 crashed the game for me and subsequently refused to allow me to play until I removed it (or went back to 5.0.1).

[plucky tulip]

it's a side effect of CET crashing

how is this so broken 🤔

[real holly]

Makes sense. I doubted it was the mod directly, but somehow it is the only mod I have that manages to crash CET that hard :/

[plucky tulip]

yes. i can fix it, i just have to learn C++ 🙃

this should fix PTNext, sorry about that! ... it would be ideal to nuke the U+ folder before updating

[plucky tulip]

fuckit now i'm modding stardew valley

[fallow thicket]

Game of the year

[plucky tulip]

100% I'm so addicted

I think I just modded it so I can sell hats back to hat mouse lol

[hazy gazelle]

I’ve never played Stardew Valley, but I’ve been hooked on No Man’s Sky for the past week after never being able to get into it over the years (given I love space, I’m not sure why, but I always bounced right off it).
That and still playing through Doom II WADs is all I’ve played of late.

[real holly]

Yeah the Worlds update also brought me back to NMS

[hazy gazelle]

Yeah, I kinda kept tabs on it over the years and saw the trailer for that update. Looked awesome so I figured I’d give it another try. I was aware of the Relaxed mode that was added a while back but never got around to trying it. Being able to make the early game less hostile while I learned the ropes and make inventory management less annoying did wonders.

[idle crest]

Why does it turn local shadow mesh quality to medium?

[long galleon]

Earlier sammi said it's a performance thing but I'm whiny and want it to not do it because I want all the shinies

[upper cosmos]

PTnext is still broken in v5.2.0-rc3

Streets lamps do not emit light, and neither do head lights

[tidal karma]

someone smart once said everything shiny is not gold, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tidal karma]

loved doom 2 death match on a modem zzzzz shhhhhhh boing boing kcshhhhhh

[idle crest]

Street lamps and headlights work for me with PTnext

[hazy gazelle]

Doom deathmatch’s popularity was a bit before my time; my introduction to Doom was the SNES port of all things (around ‘94 maybe?). I didn’t get PC Doom until 2000 or so when we got our first PC. And by then I was playing AvP and Rainbow Six multiplayer over dial-up; I didn’t know anyone still playing Doom DM.

[hidden pagoda]

I feel as if PT16 behaves a bit oddly now?

[wheat robin]

is there any way to recover a screenshot that wasnt fully rendered and crashed the game

[hidden pagoda]

nope

I'm wondering though---is it possible to have Ultra+ automatically disable the denoiser in Photomode?

No-NRD screenshots with PT16 look so delicious that I'm considering just playing without the denoiser

Also, is there an entry in the debug menu for ray and bounce count?

[plucky tulip]

because there's no visual difference between high and medium

but the performance gain is so small (1/4 fps?) i will probably disable it

[plucky tulip]

thank you! could you please try unchecking / checking Use ReGIR for DI in debug and let me know if that fixes it?

[plucky tulip]

which denoiser? both?

[hidden pagoda]

yes

[plucky tulip]

yes it's possible. whether CET crashes or not is always a question though 😊

U+ already detects photo mode

[hidden pagoda]

the way no denoising in photo mode looks is just… so good

[plucky tulip]

oh none at all? so NRD and RR are both off?

🤔

[hidden pagoda]

yep

[plucky tulip]

haha i didn't realise

i almost never use photo mode 😄

[hidden pagoda]

the crash rate after that is done goes WAY down as well

disabling denoising, I mean

[plucky tulip]

how have they done path tracing with no denoising

[real holly]

Photo mode actually builds the image over time if you have PT on, like a Blender render

[plucky tulip]

oh okay how have I never noticed this! ty I'll play

[plucky tulip]

I think I can probably already put in

doFastUpdate()
    if not GetOption('/graphics/presets', 'PathTracingForPhotoMode') then goto continue

    config.NRD = GetOption('Raytracing', 'EnableNRD')
    config.DLSSD = GetOption('/graphics/presets', 'DLSS_D')

    if Cyberpunk.PhotoMode() then
        SetOption('/graphics/presets', 'DLSS_D', false)
        SetOption('Raytracing', 'EnableNRD', false)
    else
        SetOption('Raytracing', 'EnableNRD', config.NRD)
        SetOption('/graphics/presets', 'DLSS_D', config.DLSSD)
    end

    ::continue::
    -- (do other fast stuff)
end

(from memory)

[upper cosmos]

Yep that fixes it

But that would be an issue for the average player as having to dp that everytime is a hassle

and some may not know

[plucky tulip]

okay thank you 😊

yes it's a timing problem

[upper cosmos]

yeah no problem

easy fix then?

[plucky tulip]

haha

[upper cosmos]

Also I find ptnext to be quite a bit noiser than vanilla. Same issue as I have stated before, lights are not quite static and almost have like a breathing effect and like rays are shooting. You can actually see the same effect in minecraft rtx. With upscaling on in minecraft it is 10 times more noticable, whereas without it's only slightly and isn't very bothersome

[plucky tulip]

trying the fix

[plucky tulip]

i think the quality settings were not applying properly, i've just fixed that too

basically v5 was a complete rewrite and i broke a bunch of stuff

but it's much easier to maintain now

[upper cosmos]

here

[plucky tulip]

ok that's boiling noise

it should be fixed now

[upper cosmos]

okay perfect! Thank you. I will try it and let you know

I'm assuming there isn't much you could do about this?

some reflections are like this in the base game without any mods whatsoever

Maybe some kind of limitation they put in place?

[plucky tulip]

does this still happen if you disable distant global illumination? (Features tab)

[upper cosmos]

yes

[plucky tulip]

hmm

what about disabling blended screenspace reflections?

[upper cosmos]

no

still broken

the game's had this issue for as long as I know

Not sure how it would be fixed without altering reflections

ray tracing and path tracing has had issues like those reflections, certain grass literally doees not have a shadow, and shadows being static and not moving with foliage and stuff

pretty irritating tbh that these haven't been fixed by cdpr for so long

[plucky tulip]

ummmmm, what denoiser is this using?

this is not photo mode

(PTNext)

[upper cosmos]

Ray reconstruction isn't turned on

so i'd assume NRD

[plucky tulip]

NRD isn't turned on either

[upper cosmos]

what the

that's odd

[plucky tulip]

nullsilv said PTNext doesn't need RR or NRD in photo mode ... i tried turning them off in normal mode and it goes noisy for a few seconds but then fixes itself???

[upper cosmos]

I'm gonna test that

[plucky tulip]

separate denoiser is still in use

[upper cosmos]

both denoisers off

PTNEXT

framerate is higher without the denoisers, which makes sense

but

very grainy

Autoexposure seems to really mess with the rays

Honestly. I'd recon it could be the cause of some of the noise

[plucky tulip]

try this 😊

[upper cosmos]

forgot to show the overlay

lights are fixed

street lamps are car lights work without having to uncheck and check regir di

boiling seems to still be there but I think it's better and this light is flashing on and off

yeah boiling is better and the game appears to be less noisy'

Also car lights appear sharper and less garbled?

this likely needs more testing as it could just be placebo

[plucky tulip]

yaaay 😊

[upper cosmos]

That cet bug y[o

ypi

you've talked about is quite annoying

my game crashes quite often

[plucky tulip]

okay i did

1. disable separate denoiser
2. load game
3. disable ReGIRDI
4. enable separate denoiser after 0.8 seconds
5. enable ReGIRDI after 1.5 seconds

that seems pretty robust

[plucky tulip]

i did affirmatively fix those things, so it should be actually fixed

[upper cosmos]

Yeah, works like a charm

[upper cosmos]

Ot

[plucky tulip]

i wonder if the ReSTIR boiling filter works on ReGIR 🤔

[upper cosmos]

It is definitely better, but not entirely fixed

Street lamps are more stable, less noise, and boiling. As you can see though, that last street lamp still has that issue and those couple flickering lights

althought

I'm not quite sure it's noticeable enough for it to be a major issue

[plucky tulip]

nope the quality settings are still not applying wtf

[upper cosmos]

looks like you broke NRD, enabling RTX DI DENOISING fixes it

[plucky tulip]

filter debug by 'regi' and you should see the shading candidates is 4

it should be 24 for insane

[upper cosmos]

okay i'll check

It is 24

issue still present though

[plucky tulip]

yes I'm not sure. distant global reflections should probably be disabled for PT anyway

it causes fake GI to appear in reflections

[upper cosmos]

Although there is very little noise now which is really nice. The game looks ridiculously real

except of course for the odd little quirks I mentioned earlier that cdpr hasn't fixed

I have something for you to try

add a second sharc bounce

and then look at reflections

[latent summit]

Hello, in ultra plus there is NRD. How to enable NRD?

[real holly]

No more crashes for me with 5.2.0-rc03. Thanks Sammi.

Heh, just spotted the 5.2.1

[plucky tulip]

otay

[plucky tulip]

hiya, just disable ray reconstruction and it will auto-enable 😊

[plucky tulip]

try this, everything should be fixed. ID10T error

PTNext should look nicer now too

[real holly]

Nice. Updating it now

[plucky tulip]

I had declared some important global variables as local which broke a lot of things 😭

[plucky tulip]

i can't see any difference.. what are you seeing?

wowe

i can't even see a difference with SHaRC bounces at 0 !

except it's 3 or 4 fps faster

[real holly]

config menu options seem to be missing

[plucky tulip]

sorry which?

[real holly]

All of them, I just see an empty CET window.
Removed all previous UP files before dropping this in

[hidden pagoda]

is PT16 with SHaRC able to be done? I tried enabling it forcibly but it ended up looking really, really weird

[plucky tulip]

not that i can see, it doesn't seem to be integrated into the render pipeline

it would be so cool

[hidden pagoda]

it would!! PT16 is BY FAR the best looking PT version

at least, to me

especially so without any denoising

[plucky tulip]

I... can't reproduce this?

what have i done

[real holly]

I'm going to nuke the folder again, maybe third time is the charm
CP77 can be /weird/...

[plucky tulip]

it sure can

[real holly]

Nope, no difference :/

[plucky tulip]

i'll compress it properly, just a sec

[real holly]

[2024-08-11 00:31:23 UTC+02:00] [4152] init.lua:52: attempt to index global 'Config' (a nil value) stack traceback: init.lua:52: in function 'isGameSessionActive' init.lua:430: in function 'doFastUpdate' init.lua:519: in function <init.lua:510>
From the log

[plucky tulip]

is helpers/Config.lua named with a capital C?

[real holly]

Yup

Cyberpunk.lua, too
And Config.json
And Logger.lua
And Variables.lua

[plucky tulip]

howwweee

[real holly]

Renaming them all to lower case, no difference

[upper cosmos]

In the ultra plus control panel near the bottom it allows me to change sharc bounces to 2, but it does nothing, any of those options does nothing

So what I was talking about was if you could manually do it in the code

Because I have a feeling it’s being overridden

[upper cosmos]

Your reflections are missing all of the detail

Look at the car hood

The buildings have no detail

They look like play-do

[real holly]

I am not sure if this matters, but inside the lua files, several vars also now are upper case.
5.2.1 on the left, 5.2.2 on the right

This is throughout.

[upper cosmos]

Will do when I am home next

Which will be tomorrow morning

[plucky tulip]

yes that's the fix for several things

[plucky tulip]

yes that's not sharc though

[real holly]

still broken

I fixed 5.2.2 by adding the changes from it to the 5.2.1 files:

[plucky tulip]

these changes are wrong

what version of CET are you using?

and you're on Windows?

[real holly]

They are the changed settings in 5.2.2, and for any vars I removed local where you did that, so dunno how they are wrong. This way, the mod can simply read its own files... and it works.

CET 1.32.3, on Win11

[plucky tulip]

uggh i found the bug

[plucky tulip]

they should be uppercase... they're global variables

[real holly]

Right... vars should be uppercase
Then I know what went wrong
You probably did a find & replace and that also renamed the filenames in the luas.

[plucky tulip]

no, helpers/Cyberpunk was all lower case

fixing

• fixed the things

[real holly]

Still no menu :/

[plucky tulip]

...ns\cyber_engine_tweaks\mods\UltraPlus\helpers\config.lua:5:

this suggests here that file is lower case... it shouldn't be

[real holly]

All the files in the .zip are lowercase except for helpers\Cyberpunk.lua

[plucky tulip]

what

argh fucking windows!

sorry

😭

[wheat robin]

is the config not supposed to show

[real holly]

Still no luck...

[plucky tulip]

i don't understand

can you confirm Logger, Config, Cyberpunk, and Variables are now all upper case?

[real holly]

Yes, they are

Maybe it's that some of the files call Var = require('helpers/Var') instead of Var = require('helpers/Variables') ?

[wheat robin]

is this a known issue or

[real holly]

Yes, that is what I am discussing with Sammi

[wheat robin]

and not resolved yet i assume

[plucky tulip]

it should be in 5.2.6 but i think we might have a windows issue

[real holly]

5.2.1 is the last version that has a working menu on my system

[plucky tulip]

really?

wtf am i doing!

oh it's only bumpweather

no that's not it

[wheat robin]

i will now try 5.2.6

nop

imma go back to 5.0.1

[real holly]

You know how this works much better than I do, but if I take 5.2.6 and just rename all variables to the same case as they were in 5.2.1, UltraPlus loads AND has an options menu, AND works in game.
I'll do some more testing tomorrow.

[plucky tulip]

well fuck. okay, ty

[long galleon]

Nice car

[wheat robin]

ty

[plucky tulip]

I know... it just doesn't make any sense, things are named correctly here, and it should work for everyone. BUT windows is NOT case sensitive and if you copy a file over itself with different CaPiTaLizations, it won't necessarily copy the caps. Lua IS case sensitive. @proud root Not a Spidey can you see wtf I'm doing wrong? it's working on my machine 😂

I made Config, Var, and Logger global just following psiberx's lead for CET Tools because they were all local and not getting shared across init.lua and other main modules. I updated the file names to be consistent, and it's all worked here, but when people delete and copy the new U+ it's not loading the Capitalized files? 😭 all I can think of is a script to ensure the file names are correct in Windows

[plucky tulip]

@real holly @wheat robin if you click "reload all mods" in CET, does it work?

[plucky tulip]

PTNext ... PT21 ... PT20 ... PT16

[plucky tulip]

UltraPlus and the Long Dark Teatime of the Soul

[real holly]

Hi, I just tried that, and no it does not work with the broken versions.

[fleet geode]

5.2.6 is working fine for me

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[plucky tulip]

ty

I tried to design it so it would work perfectly for half of users and be completely broken for the other half

it was a great success

[fleet geode]

[idle crest]

yeah its not working for me

which is the best version to use for ptnext? that works properly

[wheat robin]

https://tenor.com/view/sacha-baron-cohen-great-success-yay-gif-4185058

[fleet geode]

Idk, the previous version? Also, you could try the workaround posted in the mod page in the posts section. User KyleCo76's post (today)

[real holly]

5.2.1 is the last version with working options.

[tidal karma]

same thing i found

can 'RayTracing/Reference', 'RayNumber' and 'RayTracing/Reference', 'BounceNumber' be added to the debug menu so we can change them in game?

[idle crest]

i know there are a few bugs with that on e in ptnext though, was wondering if an even earlier one might be better., ill just try them out

[real holly]

The solution offered by Kyle on the Nexus mod comments works for me with 5.2.6.

[fleet geode]

I found the issue with the CET menu. There is a circular reference in Cyberpunk.lua with Config.lua that causes Cyberpunk.lua to not be able to load, causing cascading failures as requirements fail. I commented out lines 131-133 and 139-141 of Cyberpunk.lua and then commented out the line 5 requirement for helpers/Config and it loads the menu perfectly.

I want to stress to others I don't necessarily recommend this. I'm not versed enough on the mod by any means to know if this breaks anything, but considering the lines are only checking if the user is in a menu and then asking for a confirmation if not, I think it should be perfectly fine and should not break anything. But I have no clue!!!! Just wanted to point Sammi in the right direction! Thanks for the awesome mod and all your hard work!

Anyone wanting to make the change still, the lines you're commenting out in Cyberpunk.lua look like
--if not Config.gameSession.isInMenu then
--Var.confirmationRequired = true
--end
you add the -- infront to comment them. Also comment --Config = require('helpers/Config') at line 5.

[upper cosmos]

PTNext truly is next level

5.2.6, no control panel

completely empty

[real holly]

Check the message Nibbles quoted for a fix.

[fleet geode]

Either try the fix or roll back to an earlier version of U+

[plucky tulip]

do people have different versions of CET maybe?

[fleet geode]

Unlikely. Although possible in some cases. But I do know erbkaiser and I have the same CET version.

And I didn't (need to) do anything special. I just uninstalled the old version and installed the new one...

[long galleon]

Yeah I installed the new one (via zip on discord) and got blank menu

[fleet geode]

@plucky tulip

The creator forgot to localize the variables in her modules so its messing with the global environment..
Change
Logger = require('helpers/Logger')
Var = require('helpers/Variables')
Config = {}
Cyberpunk = require('helpers/Cyberpunk')
to:
local Logger = require('helpers/Logger')
local Var = require('helpers/Variables')
local Config = {}
local Cyberpunk = require('helpers/Cyberpunk')
in these helpers files:
setmode.lua, setquality.lua, setscenescale.lua, setdlss.lua, setvram.lua, setgraphics.lua, percetualautoscale.lua, daytimetasks.lua, savemenu.lua, bumpweather.lua

Not that it explains why it's working for 50% and not for the rest

[long galleon]

I wonder if it matters on whether people updated via zip in discord vs file on nexus or other source

[fleet geode]

I'm going to assume most peeps posting on Nexus downloaded the one from there

and the few that posted in support as well (otherwise they'd have posted in this thread).

[long galleon]

Ah well

[tidal karma]

Tried both same result

[tidal karma]

I just copied updated setting to 5.2.1

[latent summit]

Hello, somehow I can't make current version for ultra plus to work

its only showing ultra+ config without anything

but other version work

I am using current CET version

[plucky tulip]

i've initialized them all as global variables. that's why there's no local declaration

i basically followed psiberx's CET Tools method for modules/helpers

studying.......

[tidal karma]

changing them all back to local seems have fixed the issue for me, at least until you find the real fix

[plucky tulip]

yes, need to find the problem. the linter/VSCodium reports no issues

i think at least part of the problem is windows is not case sensitive, and copying a filename of Config.lua over config.lua may result in not changing the file case

[tidal karma]

if they are declared in the init.lua and they are global do they need to be declared again in the helpers?

not really familiar with lua and how it handles the scope of variables

[plucky tulip]

yes, but they should be declared as local in the helpers i believe

can anyone please verify if this is working for them (if 5.2.6 does not work for you?)

[tidal karma]

seems to have fixed it

[plucky tulip]

okay phew

ty 😊

this is a better fix removing the actual circular reference

[lethal dirge]

heyy @plucky tulip hope you doing well 🙂

I am using your mod version 5.2.8, i have this into my log, its normal ?

[2024-08-12 01:42:28 UTC+02:00] [3932] init.lua:490: attempt to call field 'SetDaytime' (a nil value)
stack traceback:
init.lua:490: in function 'doLazyUpdate'
init.lua:538: in function init.lua:524

Also I have a problem with the light sometimes i have to "reload all mod" into the CET (see video down below)

[plucky tulip]

ugh, this is why i cahnged it to start with

[plucky tulip]

oh wow, which apartment is that?

[lethal dirge]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/12941

[plucky tulip]

ty, that's so nice 😊

[lethal dirge]

i adding some mat on the floor like the entrance and in front the bed 🙂

[lethal dirge]

i have to use back the version 5.0.1 which is good for me

[plucky tulip]

are you having issues other than the error message?

[lethal dirge]

nope i don't have anyhing into my log with the version 5.0.1

[hidden pagoda]

could these changes be committed to gh?

[fleet geode]

Yeah no idea. 😄 Like I said, that doesn't explain why it works for some, like me...

[fleet geode]

But that is something you can poke psiberx about, if you haven't already

[plucky tulip]

yes, sorry, I'll commit in the morning

[wheat robin]

i dont see that on nexus. what differences does it have w 5.0?

[tidal karma]

5.2.8 causes hitching every 2-3 seconds for me, doesn't matter if i enter the menu CET menu or not. i think it was already mentioned but i have 3 logs 5mb each full of "[2024-08-11 22:21:16 UTC-04:00] [59948] init.lua:490: attempt to call field 'SetDaytime' (a nil value)"

[tidal karma]

Cyberpunk is defined as local in cyberpunk.lua and previous versions were global is that intentional?

[prime parcel]

Just to make sure, separate denoising is supposed to be on when using PTNEXT? And wether or not to use ray reconstruction is up to personal preference?

[prime parcel]

Also, should ReGIR DI and ReGIR GI both be checked after loading in PTNext?

[fleet geode]

Thanks for the update. I had previously pinned the one workaround here, unpinned now

[plucky tulip]

yes

[plucky tulip]

yes that's correct

[plucky tulip]

yes

[plucky tulip]

well, this discord is not giving any additional channels, so when i have time i will be probably moving to my own discord for all my mods

not the outcome i wanted

[fleet geode]

RT+PT #photomode-📸-screenshots message

[open forge]

Stormie

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Quoted by stormie3609 from #screenshots · Aug 12, 2024, 6:42 PM

[fleet geode]

Understandable

[hidden pagoda]

i've been thinking of starting a spinoff server called "indie cyberpunk 2077 community" which is for individual modders to congregate and not the overall modding scene as a whole

however I have no moderation experience whatsoever and probably don't have the time so the idea is pretty dead

[fleet geode]

Moderating is one thing, being an admin is the time consuming part

[hidden pagoda]

yea that

[plucky tulip]

i mod several discords, i would support that

[plucky tulip]

yes, supporting users

i don't believe in "building another thing" if there's already something that's close. i don't really want to run my own discord. i could probably ask Digital Dreams to host my mods formally in a channel, or maybe HDR. idk i don't like unnecessary duplication of effort

aaand i accidentally deleted windows

😭 lmao

[hidden pagoda]

whaattttt how

[fleet geode]

Messing with partitions?

[plucky tulip]

i deleted this thing called "EFI"

[hidden pagoda]

oh same

there's a guide on the archwiki to get it back

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dual_boot_with_Windows#Restoring_an_accidentally_deleted_EFI_system_partition

[tidal karma]

I hear that’s important

[plucky tulip]

bless you, arch wiki 😄

[hidden pagoda]

bless it indeed

[plucky tulip]

/waits for partition to move

https://tenor.com/HjtT.gif

[hazy gazelle]

That even worse than when I first turned on a VPN on my Plex server the other day before turning on split tunneling...remote desktop just up and died. lol I had to plug a mouse in and force the server off from the lock screen to reboot to turn the VPN back off so I could set up ST properly. 😅

[plucky tulip]

ty, actually this is way better than the guide I was following

what distro are you running?

[hidden pagoda]

was running debian

loved it till an update broke nvidia

[plucky tulip]

Debian!

okay i won't ask you about cachy or nobara then 😄

[hidden pagoda]

I'm still gonna use Windows for gaming and technical stuff no matter what

so I went with Debian

I loved it. With GNOME the experience was just great for web browsing and stuff.

[plucky tulip]

yes it's a huge pita to try and mod on linux

eventually i'm going to run windows virtualised inside linux with all the hardware passed through

(libvirt)

[plucky tulip]

thanks again, this worked beautifully

[plucky tulip]

committed 😊

[hidden pagoda]

thx!

[plucky tulip]

this should hopefully fix any remaining problems

[tidal karma]

Just fell in a hotel shower 😭 think I hurt myself 😫 guess I’ll know for sure when I wake up

[plucky tulip]

oh fuck i'm sorry

did you hit your head?

[lethal dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yas-excited-baby-cheering-gif-12101861

[plucky tulip]

omg i'm so embarrassed about bugs

[lethal dirge]

la creme de la creme, it works as intended with empty log which mean all bug its resolved

congratulation, you made it 😄 @plucky tulip

i can't wait to redownload via nexus on the main page 🙂

[plucky tulip]

it's so hard when it all somehow works locally lol

okay i'll up the new version

i'm actually wondering if some people are running CET 1.32.2

[lethal dirge]

as far as concerning myself i do running the lasted version of Yamashi

thanks 😄 @plucky tulip 🧡 🫰🏽

[plucky tulip]

okay cool 😊

i just saw CET changed how global variables are initialized so i think that's it

since i literally just changed everything to use global variables

[tidal karma]

Injured my pride mostly, but also elbow and knee not sure how I hit my knee as I landed on my back

[plucky tulip]

well, i'm glad you're okayish

[plucky tulip]

Jedi Survivor Ultra+ is getting good feedback

[wheat robin]

so the menu issues gone?

[wheat robin]

is there a reason selecting pt enables rt reflections?

[fleet geode]

You can't have PT without RT

[wheat robin]

i mean the reflection setting

[plucky tulip]

yes

[plucky tulip]

hmm, i'm not sure. i'm not doing that, cyberpunk is..

U+ is just telling cyberpunk to enable RT (but nothing more)

[wheat robin]

i’ve never seen this behaviour before

[sly sand]

idk what kind of black magic u did but psycho ssr runs way faster with this mod
nope apparently the settings werent being applied correctly.

i was wondering what do the quality level changes do exactly for raster mode?

[long galleon]

5.2.8, I feel like I don't have headlights

[tidal karma]

That’s yesterday’s version we’re on 5.2.9 today 😃

But I have no idea if that will fix the issue

[long galleon]

Guess I should update then lol

[buoyant copper]

Ah, I give up. The white hair issue plagues my existence, even with my mod folder removed it remains (goes away when I use the PT modes though but RT/PT and below gives me the issue) so I think I'm going to have to tap out to this one. Despite my issues, it's an amazing thing you've created that really brings Cyberpunk to the next level. Thanks for all your work and thanks to everyone who has helped test it to make it the beast it is today.

[plucky tulip]

mainly increase shadow draw distance and detail

[plucky tulip]

you still have white hair without U+ installed?

[fleet geode]

I can answer that from my own experience. The white hair is only present in U+ with RT+PT.
It's not an issue with vanilla RT or any PT modes

[plucky tulip]

oh! gotcha! ty I'll fix 😊

[tidal karma]

I have seen it, Dex during the limo ride is a good example, at least its what i think we are talking about. it has come and gone during different versions of Ultra+ but never tried to track down the exact setting that caused it

actually i think vanilla does it as well, but it has been so long since i played vanilla i cant remember

[fleet geode]

Yeah. It was fine a few versions ago, but I can't remember how far back

Black hair tends to look grey, depending on the lighting

[fallow thicket]

thats happens to me on photo mode too thats why im using PT while using photo mode

[plucky tulip]

with RT+PT?

[fallow thicket]

Yeah the hair flickering in photo mode with RT+PT

[tidal karma]

looks like hair has setting in at least 6 different sections, dont know if its possible to narrow it down on GIT by changes made to those sections

[plucky tulip]

probably just delete them for the moment

[buoyant copper]

Sorry for the very late reply, but yeah, the white hair issue happens only with Ultra Plus installed and goes away when I remove it. Even with just Ultra Plus and its dependencies installed, I get the issue and it only affects RT and RT+PT for me (haven't tried raster to be fair) while PT16 and above doesn't have this problem. https://imgur.com/a/UUpiY3H

Here's another with vanilla hair which shows a better example of the issue https://imgur.com/a/o6F8XBl

[arctic falcon]

oh i get that too 🤔 only with pt on though

[real holly]

Yeah white or otherwise discoloured hair occurs at weird spots, like during Dex's car ride. Seen it with RT+PT and with PT Next

[long galleon]

I'm using PTNext and no white hair ever

In recent versions anyway

I also have https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/9381 and https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/12184 installed, do you?

[real holly]

Not yet anymore, I'll do that.

I thought CDRP fixed the shadows with 2.1?

[arctic falcon]

so i have alternative hair material as well but not the first one; i use pinkydude's shadow mod, iirc. but i'm on rt+pt, medium qual, radiance cache performance, vram 6 🤔 if thats any help...

[real holly]

This one by Pinky? Doesn't affect NPCs, AFAIK
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/12577

[arctic falcon]

🤔 yeah, its affecting my v right now so thats why i noticed it

[lilac canyon]

is it possible to make the hands not as flat looking in PT20 without the fps hit of PT21? something like an in between. It might be too much to ask for 😅

if theres any ini i can modify to make it not look as flat

[sly sand]

oh thanks

i realize that every time i open up cyberpunk and go into the game options, the "apply" button is visible, does that the mean the ultra+ graphics quality setting is being reset every time i start up a new game?

[real holly]

It is being reset all the time

[long galleon]

It's because ultra+ is adjusting one or more of your settings the second you go in that menu

[sly sand]

oh no i mean like even after i already applied the ultra+ setting, i still need to do it every startup

like i do it once, it tells me to apply the settings in option, so I do it

then next time i start up the game

i still need to?

[long galleon]

I don't understand you, sorry.

Ultra+ modifies the game settings, for instance if you have shadow mesh set to high, then it will set it to medium the second you open the graphics menu (the game's native menu not ultra+'s menu)

Because it adjusted stuff, the game's menu will want you to approve those changes.

[sly sand]

yeah thats what I did

but when I close the game

and open it up again and go back into the options menu (for the game and not ultra+ CET menu)

the apply button is still there

so im just asking whether the Ultra+ changes get reseted after i closed the game and open it up again

since that's what seems to be the case

[long galleon]

Yes, especially if you're using the cinematicRTX thing or whatever it is in the command line

[sly sand]

aight so I just click apply every time the game starts up then, gotcha

(im not using cinematicrtx fwiw)

[long galleon]

I honestly don't know what ultra+ is doing in the game's menu anymore, at one point it was trying to restore/keep your settings, now I dunno

[sly sand]

yeah honestly kinda confused lmao

i also noticed that the fast game graphics setting doesnt seem to require an apply

[long galleon]

Am I supposed to be seeing this much ghosting?

Updated my dlss files to see if that helps

[real holly]

Make sure DLSSD is 3.7.0 and not 3.7.10
DLSS and DLSSG can go to 3.7.20 and 3.7.10 respectively.

[plucky tulip]

I have restore hair shadows with PT too. alternative hair doesn't work with Ultra+ (U+ overrides)

[plucky tulip]

only partially

[plucky tulip]

umm hands shouldn't look like that in PT20... is that ray reconstruction?

[plucky tulip]

yes but I think I might remove it

[lilac canyon]

RR is turned off, i cant stand the bright trails it leaves and overall not a fan of it

[plucky tulip]

hmm okay I'll try PT20 with NRD and make sure it's okay

[idle crest]

Does ultra+ override alternative hair in PTnext too?

[lilac canyon]

tried more indirectly lit places

[long galleon]

I forgot versions but I got latest of everything

[real holly]

You'll want to revert DLSSD then.

[long galleon]

I'll give it a shot, though it feels weird that latest isn't greatest

[real holly]

Well the ones we can easily find are not official releases, they get pulled from games that ship with them or from driver files.
DLSSD 3.7.10 either lacks the SHaRC implementation or it is broken somehow, perhaps the game it shipped with (The First Descendant) simply does not use it so it was not built in.

[long galleon]

Yeah dlssd older version doesn't fix this ghosting

Dex also has sparkly face

[plucky tulip]

3.7.10 dlssd doesn't include SHaRC. remember games devs modify the source code, they're not all the same

[long galleon]

Then they should version it as an alternate instead of as a subsequent

imo

[plucky tulip]

honestly I can't tell any difference at all from updating any of them 😜

[plucky tulip]

yes... well it's us bright sparks who are taking it from a different game, they're not distributed by Nvidia 😊

[long galleon]

I'm sure there's a versioning standard, nvidia isn't going to just let them call it DLSS 7.8

[plucky tulip]

the game devs use the version the source code is based off .. like how you can have an unreal engine 4.27 game engine but it's completely modified and not vanilla 4.27...

this is why there is 20 MB missing from dlssd 3.7.10 ... code deletions 😊

[long galleon]

So nvidia should just deliver the raw version for us instead of us having to circle through game releases

Wouldn't that be nice.

[real holly]

They may be doing that soon. The latest GRD has the DLSS DLL with it, just not the others yet

Bear in mind... specific games may be optimised for a certain DLSS version and swapping the file can lead to unexpected results

It doesn't always happen, but sharc missing is one example.

[long galleon]

Also the game may have added specific things that aren't standard so any other game's file won't have those things

[plucky tulip]

yup. sometimes they do 😊

it's bundled with their UE plugins

[long galleon]

What they really need is a self-auto-updating version that keeps the developers changes while updating all the parts that are updatable

[plucky tulip]

yes and people saying preset E is the best. idk what glasses they're wearing but no, it's not lol

[long galleon]

In any case, I changed back to that recommended version and still got issues in the dex ride so awaiting instructions

[faint sage]

Overall I do think it's the better one to use in general (all games considered) but for CP it's debatable : depends a lot on base res and what kind of comparisons one does.. static favors C, I'll give you that hands down but I find E has overall a more stable and detailed resolve in motion, but then again I'm playing at 3440x1440 on DLSS performance.. and not wearing glasses 🤓😜

[plucky tulip]

okay, i'll let you know as soon as i have time to test everything

[light hornet]

@plucky tulip how playable is the game with this mod on a low end pc

well laptop

like these speccs
Device name DESKTOP-88PK250
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7300U CPU @ 2.60GHz 2.71 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.9 GB usable)
Device ID 8F52D344-4A91-4242-89C6-51F569480AAE
Product ID 00330-80000-00000-AA375
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch Pen support

[sly sand]

No GPU at all?

Definitely not playable

[light hornet]

where do i check gpu

[fleet geode]

Task manager

[light hornet]

im guessing this means i have none

[fleet geode]

Performance tab, GPU

what does it say there

[light hornet]

Intel HD Graphics 620

[fleet geode]

Waay below minimum spec for the game

[light hornet]

ah

even with the mod?

[fleet geode]

Yes. I mean, you can try it for its raster settings...

[light hornet]

ah, oh dear

[plucky tulip]

with an Intel HD 620 I've got the game running in raster only mode, at the absolute lowest settings, and it runs fairly badly. it runs...ish

[light hornet]

lmao oh no

yeeee maybe i should upgrade....

[plucky tulip]

😊 I.... would recommend it

honestly a second hand 1080 would be a huge jump. or a 4060 or 4070

(4070 to 4090 is ideal)

[winged lance]

is this due to some ultra+ setting, or is it something else?

[winged lance]

yea, nvm, my bad, it was due to setting Quality level to fast.

[plucky tulip]

like clicking quickly between qualities?

[pseudo scaffold]

i think they mean setting the quality to the fast option i think

[plucky tulip]

oh! yes. got you

[vapid snow]

hi all , what should i do here? yesterday i screw up all graphics settings, an video link would be nice, i have the patience to follow all steps, for CP77 ofcourse

[vapid snow]

thank you

[lethal dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-keanu-my-pleasure-nickfifs-gif-20348996

[pseudo scaffold]

hey i hate to ask but which of the pt versions is the most performance friendly

[fleet geode]

I haven't done a direct comparison, but I think it's PT16. But obviously depends on the rest of the settings as well

[hidden pagoda]

also the best looking is PT16 hehehe

well, only if you turn off use ReBLUR for GI.

[hidden pagoda]

i mean go into the debug menu and search for that setting

and turn it off

[hidden pagoda]

global illumination is GI

I also recommend turning it off for DI

if you turn off both the denoiser becomes much, much cleaner, at a small performance cost

to account for that I'd turn on probabilistic sampling and reduce the naive rays to 1

should actually boost performance

also experiment with local light importance sampling based on the scene

still unsure of whether on or off looks better (LLIS on gives more dynamic, but inconsistent lighting)

inconsistent as in it moves around when you move the camera lmfao

[hidden pagoda]

why does Ultra+ force psycho SSR?

[opaque cave]

Hey I’m having a problem with ultra plus

It works great for RT+PT but whenever I use actual path it disables frame gen

And even when I use RTPT it everytime I log back into the game it keeps trying to turn on NRD denoiser even tho I have ray reconstruction

Is there something I’m doing wrong?

[velvet jewel]

What settings will help to stop the ghosting behind vehicles?

[gloomy bough]

Running PTNext without RR, and getting a ton of noise
Are there any settings i've missed that could help with this?

If it's unavoidable without RR, thats okay, I'll likely settle for PT21

[hidden pagoda]

don’t settle for PT21 😭

settle for PT20 or PT16. PT21 is the worst looking PT version

[gloomy bough]

Really? 😭😭
Okay, I'll do some comparisons and see, I'll likely take your word for it tho xD

But is there really no way to reduce the noise on PTNext without using RR?

PTNext with RR just adds horrendous ghosting and makes every character look like a bad oil painting

[fleet geode]

That's why I stick to RT+PT

[wheat robin]

personally rt pt doesnt have the shadows im looking for in pt

[plucky tulip]

LLIS is broken in some scenes

[plucky tulip]

that changes it to PT20 😊

[plucky tulip]

if you have graphics quality set to High it will

[plucky tulip]

it's not working correctly if that's the case

there's very little noise with PTNext if it's working correctly 🤔

you need sufficient primary resolution (before DLSS) ... and probably ray reconstruction

[gloomy bough]

Sorry, I'm not too good with this stuff! By primary resolution, you mean the resolution of the game?
And yeah! With RR, there's no noise but then that's when it starts to look very smear-y and oily
So I guess there isn't a way to minimise the noise further without using RR?

[sly sand]

yeah, the true resolution. So even before DLSS

[gloomy bough]

Well, I've been running the game at 2560x1440 with DSR down to my monitors 1920x1080 resolution, surely that would be enough?

[latent summit]

hi, wanna ask. Does ultra plus really improve performance for ray tracing only? I don't see any different my fps still stuck at 30 - 48

[fleet geode]

That really depends on your system and your settings

[latent summit]

Nah, I just want to ask: Does using ray tracing with this mod improve FPS? If so, by how much—like 5 FPS or more?

[latent summit]

All I see is just comparison for path tracing

[plucky tulip]

you're okay! most people aren't having noise with PTNext... can you send a screenshot or video?

[plucky tulip]

I doubt it, the main influence on RT-Only performance is the in-game graphics settings by far. U+ might improve streaming stutters for RT-Only, but not much can be changed about the performance

RT-Only and Raster modes are in there because people ask for them 😊

[gloomy bough]

Will do in a sec!

[gloomy bough]

I don't know if I've mistakenly toggled something off so I've gone through all the necessary menus

[plucky tulip]

yowzers

no it's not you it's me 😂

can you please tell me in Debug if "Separate Denoiser" is enabled?

I need to spend a whole weekend debugging this rrghh

... sorry, to put this into perspective I'm trying to work out why this seems to happen for just a few people

[gloomy bough]

That's okay! Will do now :D

ye its turned on!

[pseudo scaffold]

does anyone else have broken flares during the pyramid song mission?

[plucky tulip]

okay, could you please try finding "ReGIR for DI" and toggling it off then on? and lmk if that helps?

[plucky tulip]

lens flares?

[pseudo scaffold]

my bad it was the manual enhancer nulled weather mod causing it nvm

it was making judys flares cyan blue and the ocean dark

[gloomy bough]

Toggling it doesn't make a difference unfortunately :(

But toggling RTX DI Denoising has reduced the noise, i guess? :O

Though things at a distance are still blurry and jagged :/

^ That actually might just be me, not the Ultra + mod lmao

[plucky tulip]

hmm

[gloomy bough]

Happy to help with anything else if I can!

[long galleon]

Maybe settings such as motion blur and chromatic aberration and stuff affect this kind of thing

Or DLSS version

[gloomy bough]

I've already installed the latest DLSS DLL, and I did try with motion blur off, didn't make a difference

[plucky tulip]

hmm I'm not sure I'm sorry. DLSS preset C looks the best but none of them cause that smearing issue. I will see if I can replicate it as soon as I can but the only thing I can think of to suggest is the usual

• clean install drivers
• verify cyberpunk files
• delete UserSettings.json

[reef gazelle]

hi, was just wondering, does the mod do anything even if you dont have ray tracing on? just activate the mod and thats it?

[long galleon]

So I reverted all my dlss files back to the original installation version and I think the picture looks better. I don't think I'll be doing dlss version swapping in the future

I see less smearing and stuff

https://youtu.be/qDmPvB8Yfz8 - with dlss swapped out for newer versions from other sources

https://youtu.be/lu3g8klxpSI - with dlss as the files included with the game

[reef gazelle]

@plucky tulip why does the mod keep resetting the game's graphic settings?

[gloomy bough]

Will try, thanks!

[plucky tulip]

it does change frame timing because CDPRs defaults are a little odd, and it changes contact shadow draw distance and precache draw distance

[plucky tulip]

that's what the "High", "Medium" or "Low" graphics settings do

maybe I should add "None"

[reef gazelle]

so theres currently no way to use the mod without it constantly overriding your graphics settings?

[eternal basin]

Hello @plucky tulip, the question has prob been already asked but what settings would you recommend with a RTX3070 and R7 3700x ? Im actually using this, im crashing when im using RT+PT and higher rendering modes. On the screen, it's the only setting i can use with acceptable fps for FrameGen Ghosting

[wheat robin]

is this part in the phantom liberty you know my name supposed to be this dark?

[plucky tulip]

no, it looks like PTNext but broken

[plucky tulip]

have you tried lowering texture quality to medium? usually cyberpunk crashes because it's out of memory

[wheat robin]

this was pt16 at lowest settings

[woven goblet]

Great mod. Boosted my FPS with high RT settings. Good times 😌

[wheat robin]

it seems only ptnext works in that room

or mission at least

every other pt option has missing lights/darkness

[eternal basin]

Yea I never go over medium quality, and I mostly use fast. On Rast, all is good, RT and RT+PT is a bit laggy, and over is super laggy + crash. I think my pc cant stand Ultra Plus on PT settings with the hundreds of mods I have.
I even disabled my heavy ressource graphic mods, but I still have to stay on rast or RT

Memory about RAM or VRAM ?

[fleet geode]

VRAM

[plucky tulip]

it should work fine on a 3070... all the usual stuff done? video drivers, disable AV and CFG for cyberpunk?

[eternal basin]

AV and CFG ?

[eternal basin]

Isnt PT killing my GPU ? I mean it can work with Ultra Plus but natively my 3070 cant use this feature

I’ve tried to make it work by disabling mods like HD rework, ETO and LOD mod but its still hard

[plucky tulip]

have a look at point 14 and 15 in the sticky post, but you might want to check them all 😊 https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/10490?tab=posts

[plucky tulip]

U+ was developed on a 3070, in a laptop no less 😊

[eternal basin]

If you knew how many times ive checked the pinned haha, but ill read it again to make sure

[eternal basin]

Do you have many mods beside ?

[plucky tulip]

admittedly I was running at 1440p DLSS quality or balanced, but it was at PT20 Fast and running 40-50 fps

yes lots. but no 4k texture mods. only some 2k ones

[eternal basin]

And you dont experience crashes ? My game randomly crashes on some points, and mostly when im driving

[plucky tulip]

nope. do you have cross-platform compatibility enabled for save files? disable it

does it slow down before it crashes?

[eternal basin]

Will check that too

[eternal basin]

When I drive yes, on feet no

[plucky tulip]

annoyingly, cp has a lot of bugs cdpr don't seem to want to fix

hmm

[eternal basin]

I think FrameGen ghosting is responsive of some crashes but I need it for the ghosting I have on PT modes

[plucky tulip]

you're in ray reconstruction mode?

[eternal basin]

I usually disable it, but I let Ultra Plus set most of my settings

[plucky tulip]

oh okay, are you using LukeFZ or DLSS-to-FSR3?

[eternal basin]

Only activating DLSS FrameGen myself and I set DLSS to auto, quality or performance

[eternal basin]

Arthur’s one actually, for FrameGen ghosting compatibilité

[plucky tulip]

okay. there is a routine U+ does that's supposed to prevent a bug while driving or in cut scenes. I'll check it's still running 🤔

[eternal basin]

I was on Nukem’s one before

[plucky tulip]

link?

[eternal basin]

Dont bother yourself too much I might have done sth wrong

Yep sec

[plucky tulip]

ok. I'm fascinated 😂

[eternal basin]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/14726

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/13029?tab=files

[plucky tulip]

ty 😊

hmm this is changing things depending on whether you're driving or on foot. I think if there's a crash it's likely a conflict between U+ and what they're doing

[eternal basin]

"Generally, exclude 1) gamename.exe, 2) the game folder, and 3) shader cache from Windows Defender (or other) real-time scanning"
I dont understand the 14.

[eternal basin]

i should disable FrameGen and Ghosting fix ?

[plucky tulip]

go into Security > Real Time > Exclusions ... then add an exclusion for an EXE name, and add an exclusion for the cyberpunk folder

[plucky tulip]

hmm maybe, or ask them if they know of any crashes with U+?

*while driving

[eternal basin]

U dont use framegen ?

I was sticking to 30 fps and this mod doubles my fps

[plucky tulip]

when I was on the 3070 I just used DLSS-to-FSR3

this mod is doing a lot more than frame gen

[eternal basin]

aight i'll remove framegen and i'll try PT20 with low quality settings

[plucky tulip]

okay. it should at least be stable

I'm not at my computer right now but I can see from their file structure they're changing things while driving/walking/etc.

[eternal basin]

Oh i see, if i remember, they try to adapt ghosting on different situations but its slowing down the game af

Do you use ETO, HD rework project and LOD mods ?

(i've already removed most of xilamonstrr mods, and removed smoke enhancement mods unless yours)

[plucky tulip]

yes and U+ does a bunch of stuff in the background so may be conflicting with what they're doing. we may need to work together

[plucky tulip]

yup! just 2k

[eternal basin]

i'll try on this

[eternal basin]

All is about modding until it crashes

[plucky tulip]

that should work

[plucky tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-mandalorian-i-have-spoken-baby-yoda-gif-24159898

[eternal basin]

I think i shouldnt go over these quality settings

[plucky tulip]

ikr. my 3070 died and I got a 4090, which I've modded til it crashes 😂

[eternal basin]

you can crash with a 4090 ?!

[plucky tulip]

graphics settings should be okay to medium, but try and see

it only has 16GB because it's a laptop... and oh yes you can 😂

[eternal basin]

About graphics, im only disabling the pellicule grain, and set DLSS to performance or quality with 0 details

[eternal basin]

ohhh okay

[plucky tulip]

pellicule?

[eternal basin]

sorry, film grain

[plucky tulip]

ah!

roger 😊

[eternal basin]

are u on this ? Sorry for language

[plucky tulip]

you're fine!

what do you mean am I on it? Auto?

[eternal basin]

Yea it's not as fluid as i am in rast mod and i have some weird particles but i cant expect better imo

[eternal basin]

Auto and sharpening

[plucky tulip]

I kind of understand French 😂

[eternal basin]

Oh nice xdd

[plucky tulip]

ça roule 😜

[eternal basin]

Hahaha bien vu mon pote

Is PT16 less laggy than PT20 ? i've read your recommandations about using RT+PT or PT20, but my game is too laggy and im a PT slave

[plucky tulip]

generally PT16 is very fast

I haven't tried it on a 3070 tho

[eternal basin]

Aight i'll try some settings until i can play as fast as in raster mode

[plucky tulip]

but if lag annoys you it might be good

[eternal basin]

Yea i have mini stutters and weird texture bugs (u can see it on the escalator at the beggining of the video)

Anyway, thanks for your time and this outstanding mod mate 🫡

[plucky tulip]

where is your video?

[eternal basin]

#1225966190439170178 message

[open forge]

Lukhart

2024-09-03_13-48-56.mp4

Quoted by lukhart3255 from #UltraPlus and the Long Dark Teatime of the Soul · Sep 3, 2024, 12:07 PM

[plucky tulip]

yw! in English generally mate is reserved for boys 😊

ty!

oh I didn't see this was a video 🤦‍♀️

[eternal basin]

Oh, sorry 😅 is there a feminine word for this ?

[plucky tulip]

"babe" 😜

[eternal basin]

i wouldnt dare

[plucky tulip]

oh part of the denoiser isn't working on the video 🤔

[eternal basin]

I should disable RR ? looks like a heavy feature

[plucky tulip]

it's odd, I'm more comfortable with "bro" than mate lol. maybe bc I'm Australian

[plucky tulip]

oh, no, it was just disabled in your screenshot

[eternal basin]

Aight bro 👊

[plucky tulip]

😂

[eternal basin]

Oh yes maybe. Anyway, i think it's hard to show the feeling of gameplay with a video share

[plucky tulip]

ugh I can't deal with nexus comments rn

[plucky tulip]

okay. well ima try and get some more sleep, feel free to leave any questions for me mon petit chou 😊

[eternal basin]

i'll try with this until it crashes (or maybe it wont )

Wait is it night in australia ?

Its 2PM here

[plucky tulip]

no but I moved to the US 😊

[eternal basin]

Oh nvm, then good night mademoiselle (and thanks a lot for ur time)

[plucky tulip]

but I'm Australian. nobody here can understand me

[eternal basin]

accent ?

[plucky tulip]

yes lol. and brain

[eternal basin]

I mean your country is full of animals that can kill you

[plucky tulip]

"sorry, I'm from Australia" seems to let me get away with a lot 😂

yes ik I love it!

except scorpions

[eternal basin]

why would you even love it ???

[plucky tulip]

idk I like spiders

[eternal basin]

HAHAHA same sentence with "French"

[plucky tulip]

hahaha

[eternal basin]

This animal is a nightmare (arachnophobia)

[plucky tulip]

no they're cute and they eat bugs 😊

[eternal basin]

but why are they supposed to have 8 legs and be IN MY HOUSE

[plucky tulip]

I don't like centipedes or scorpions

no see there are good spiders and bad spiders

[eternal basin]

I mean im not going in dark holes, why would they come in my livingroom

[plucky tulip]

apparently huntsman and wolf spiders cause a lot of car accidents in Australia because they hide under your sun visor and jump at you

[eternal basin]

this is common in France, harmless but big and scary af

[eternal basin]

omg i cant imagine if this thing gets in my car, i'd die for sure

[plucky tulip]

oh that looks like a white tip

that's a bad spider

[eternal basin]

Oh i cant mark the picture as a spoiler

[plucky tulip]

hehe oh well

[eternal basin]

We dont see often the white tip, but the full black one is big and fkin scary

in my kitchen bro wtf

[plucky tulip]

it doesn't look very big next to the hand?

nooo that's only little

[eternal basin]

"Le corps (sans les pattes) mesure plus de 1 cm de longueur, mais l'animal atteint au total jusqu'à 5 à 6 cm pattes étendues."

[eternal basin]

LITTLE ?! i was about washing my hands and i almost had a heart attack seeing this. But yes for Australians its nothing you prob even have dragons in your country

[plucky tulip]

https://youtube.com/shorts/mOphw5NxUW0 this is a spider 😊

[plucky tulip]

hehehe

I catch these and put them outside

[eternal basin]

jumpscare ?

Nah this shit cant be real

[plucky tulip]

they're not as bad as wold spiders which jump and are super fast little buggers

[eternal basin]

i need my future wife to get rid of spiders for me

[plucky tulip]

you think that's bad I've seen a wasp dragging one of these up a wall! I don't like wasps lol

but that was pretty funny

[eternal basin]

Nah Australia is middle earth

I swear if i see sth like this in my home i'll move and never come back

[plucky tulip]

haha. okay I won't show you the nasty spiders 😂

I've never heard of huntsmen biting anyone

they're gentle

[eternal basin]

Yea anyway 99% of spiders are scared of humans, dont attack, and their bite isnt lethal

But bro what is this look its so scary

[plucky tulip]

yes exactly

same with sneks 😊

[eternal basin]

You find snakes scarier than spiders ?

[plucky tulip]

no this is scary

[eternal basin]

bugs shouldnt exist, unless bees (theyre cute and nice)

[plucky tulip]

umm it depends on the situation. snakes are generally okay if you don't startle them. like, you do need to be aware of what time of day it is and where you're stepping

and sometimes they come into the house 😂

[eternal basin]

Yea true, but anyway we dont have problems like this in France

[plucky tulip]

almost all snake bites are from people trying to kill the snake though

[eternal basin]

Nordic countries should be paradise : no bugs, and cold 😌

[plucky tulip]

no, you have croissants

I do prefer crepes to snekes

[eternal basin]

Hahaha you dont like croissants and pains au chocolat ?

[plucky tulip]

oui

absolutely lol

[eternal basin]

You're the first person i see who dont like these sweet meals lol

[plucky tulip]

I love how I go to Japan and they have crepes with banana, chocolate, cream, strawberries and it's like this anime version of French lol

[plucky tulip]

but I do!! 😂

[eternal basin]

ohhh i missunderstood sorry lmao

[plucky tulip]

I said yes lol

[eternal basin]

hahaha, we also have super good crepes

[plucky tulip]

yes I love French cuisine

[eternal basin]

Anyway french food is 🤌

[plucky tulip]

yes Japan just takes all the world's food and makes tricked out anime versions of it it's wild lol

[eternal basin]

(And we dont all eat frogs and snails )

[plucky tulip]

yes you do 😂

[eternal basin]

Yea definitely😆

[eternal basin]

i swear i hate these weird meals

[plucky tulip]

I've never tried escargot but mostly bc I really like snails

they're so cute

[eternal basin]

Yeaaa they are so cute

HAHHAA

[plucky tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/soriamoriaa-gif-7240219154936918865

[eternal basin]

lil cute thing

[plucky tulip]

so cute hehe. I used to keep them as pets 😄

[eternal basin]

like you have a bunch of snails in your house ?

[plucky tulip]

yes in containers

full of leaves and such

[eternal basin]

I didnt even know you could pet this, but since some people pet tigers at home

[plucky tulip]

snails? really? haha I used to play with them for hours 😂

ohh tigers ❤️

[eternal basin]

cute but deadly af 💀

[eternal basin]

Hahaha so cute, makes me think about turtles, i love them

[long galleon]

mon ami XD

[long galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/iliketurtles-turtles-zombie-kid-random-gif-20934004

[plucky tulip]

turkles! 😊❤️

[wheat robin]

the vanilla setting seems faster than fast for ptnext

in quality level

[lilac canyon]

Were you able to replicate this issue on your end?

[plucky tulip]

I haven't had a chance I'm sorry I've had the covid

[long galleon]

Stop having the covid =P

[plucky tulip]

ik 😭

I'm better today now I just have work to catch up on

[tidal karma]

I’ve been lucky I haven’t had it so far or if I did it wasn’t bad and I didn’t know

[fleet geode]

Let her recover a little first?

[arctic falcon]

oh shoot i didnt see that she posted abt having covid!! my bad!

[gloomy bough]

seems with everything, if I want path tracing without the smear-y oil-y look characters get, RT+PT is the way to go
close enough to PT and everything is actually clear

[fleet geode]

Yup. It's my preference

[reef gazelle]

@plucky tulip is it currently possible to use the mod without it overwriting the game's graphic settings?

[plucky tulip]

yes the next version won't any more. i've been working on Jedi Fallen Order but will come back to cyberpunk when i don't hate it any more

soon lol

you can use v5.0.1 i think?

[reef gazelle]

im confused, whats special about v5.0.1?

[plucky tulip]

it doesn't overwrite your graphics settings 😊

i think

yes. 5.0.1

[reef gazelle]

i will give that a try, thanks

[gloomy bough]

@plucky tulip Got a weird issue now, every couple of launches, the game keeps crashing and i cant fix it unless i delete the usersettings

just wondering why thats the case, its not exactly a dire issue because i can just keep deleting it but, it is a tad annoying

[plucky tulip]

I've been stuck in that loop... do you have cross-platform saves enabled? disable it and save a new game, see if that helps?

[wheat robin]

does the fast game graphics setting not do anything?

[tidal karma]

it does, but sometimes i have found you actually need to reload, not every time and not sure when its mandatory but at times it really makes a difference

[tidal karma]

sometimes game crashes if you have reassigned key bindings or left one unbound game really doesn't like that next time it crashes rather than deleting go back in to keybinding and accessability and click default and see if it starts up

let me know if that worked

[wheat robin]

bc all the other options need to apply in the graphics settings

[tidal karma]

yeah, but even then sometimes it seems like it needs a reload, but i could be remembering older versions i dont know anymore

[gloomy bough]

@plucky tulip
https://www.cyberpunk.net/en/news/50818/patch-2-13

Have ya seen this?

[hazy gazelle]

"It will now be possible to enable both DLAA and DLSS Ray Reconstruction at the same time."
Hot damn, I might actually go back to PT20 from PTNext to have the headroom for this. Testing must be done (eventually; I haven't been playing lately).

[faint sage]

This was achievable using DLSS Tweaks for ages.. Kudos CDPR (not)

[plucky tulip]

oh nice! thank you 😊

stability and visual fixes 🤔

[plucky tulip]

and now we wait

[faint sage]

Downgrades according to Bababooey on the CDPR forum#cyanidex-mods message

[plucky tulip]

well fuck

UltraPlus and the Salmon of Doubt

UltraPlus Official

[pastel orbit]

bad gaem

a more substantial patch actually fixing issues and taking some ideas from your mod here (more graphics settings?) would be nice. but CDPR is not nice.

[gloomy bough]

Ugh
And my game auto updated

[plucky tulip]

like... don't the black blobs all over things actually bother them??

[pastel orbit]

CDPR? Doubt they test with PT or RT for that matter

[fallow thicket]

CDPR have been always bad at PT or RT for cyberpunk but witcher 3 works fine lmao

could bec they have been fixing the game since the launch and didnt have time to focus on PT or RT

[fleet geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHNktUhFwPI

[faint sage]

Culprit found by the Framegen folks :
Vignette is now a HUD element thus getting excluded from FG algo...

[hazy gazelle]

Oh, sure. I did for a bit then stopped when I realized I could set DLSS presets at the driver level with Inspector. One less thing to have to install and configure across multiple games. Besides, always nice to have an official implementation.

[faint sage]

Meme material forever !

[fleet geode]

[faint sage]

Still, so little so late yet again..

• their FG implementation is like intern level sh*t pushed without QA even noticing it...
  Shameful

[hazy gazelle]

Shoot, seems like they should have just left the game alone from the sound of it. Some monkey paw curling going on here with y'all asking for FSR3.

[fleet geode]

#mod-troubleshooting message

[open forge]

gramern

BTW, it seems the mentioned vignette shader causes FSR 3 FG in 2.13 to treat the vignette as a HUD element. As a result, FG is blocked for most of the screen. Disabling the vignette (either by a dedicated mod or an ENV file) fixes the native FSR3 FG and enables frame generation for the whole screen. Kudos to @agile heron for help in confirming this

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Quoted by stormie3609 from #mod-troubleshooting · Sep 12, 2024, 10:11 PM

[gloomy bough]

thank god the depot downgrade worked lmao

[fallow thicket]

FSR 2.1 is worse then FSR 3.0 lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2FMQfEiBOA

someone have tested it

[plucky tulip]

are you serious

this is what regression testing is for

[plucky tulip]

go back to 1.63

[tidal karma]

looks like version 5.2.9 gets a bright white screen when booting into the game, or is it just my install?

remvoing the config.json doesnt help

[fleet geode]

I was just going to ask if any guinea pigsone has tried out U+ with 2.13 yet 😅

[manic charm]

hey how can i undo this feature ? id like to set custom graphics settings but everytime this applies

[arctic falcon]

I’ll give it a try

[autumn temple]

I'm using it and getting the same performance as I was before the 2.13 patch. Sousine's mods are broken though.

[arctic falcon]

ultra+ seems to hbe working fine with this update

[lethal dirge]

hmm which mod are broken ?

[tidal karma]

i didnt notice any other than ultra plus, i just get a white screen after the save is loaded

[open forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/308238130878742529/b7a6fbf00e06cf2ff6a5468b4dd824c3.webp

[lethal dirge]

Wait What sorry for that 🤦🏽‍♂️ lol (misclick)

[autumn temple]

I may have spoken too soon. I was initially just running around Dogtown to check frame gen and general visual performance, which seemed to be similar to what I was getting before the patch. However, I'm finding that any mod I had with LOD improvements are not working and when I fast travel, huge parts of the world disappear, I can see through the ground, parts of walls are missing, I can see through Lizzie's, etc. I removed Improved Environment LODs and it was still happening. I just removed Ultra+, and that seemed to fix the disappearing issue when fast travelling, but I need to test more to be sure. I have hundreds of mods installed, so there could be some kind of conflict taking place.

[lethal dirge]

All mods of sosuine now are good it needs some improvement ✨🔥💫

Make sure sometimes to reload the save or restart the game and make sure to tick the not so good if you installed into the ultra+ for example 🔥

I have 330 mods installed and some into the folder « mod » directly

[autumn temple]

Oh, so if I run into that disappearing issue, just reload a save or restart?

I don't have Not So Good installed. However, with or without Ultra+ and Improved Environment installed, I am seeing LOD pop-in that I wasn't seeing previously with those mods installed.

[fallow thicket]

i wonder if ultra+ looks better or worse in 2.13

[arctic falcon]

ultra+ looks the same to me

[hazy gazelle]

lol Come to think of it, I don’t think I played during that patch; I think I was on a Cyberpunk hiatus at the time. 😅

[plucky tulip]

apparently CDPR broke film grain

[plucky tulip]

I doubt they will have patched Nvidia path tracing

[fallow thicket]

I’ve tested it nothing has changed but I see DLSS 2.51 but I changed it again to dlss 3.7

[pastel orbit]

PT is no different, though it could be worse

Ah right, yes, they did update the ray reconstruction DLL to 3.7.10

[plucky tulip]

dare me to send this to their HQ? 😂

[fallow thicket]

Do it would be funny if they actually saw it

[pastel orbit]

I don't think they read fan mail, sadly

[fallow thicket]

Not mail them just send a box with 4090 without the gpu and put in the book

I bet they will see it

[plucky tulip]

oh, I could put it in a big package and courier it

[fallow thicket]

The weird thing is FSR 3 doesn’t have full screen and you have to restart the game for FSR frame generation

That’s the most annoying shit I’ve never seen in cyberpunk

[tidal karma]

i got ultra plus working
just comment these lines out of the common.ini
[Rendering/LUT]
;Size = 64 ; (48) internal resolution is 64 cube
;MinRange = 0.000000000001
;MaxRange = 100.0

[plucky tulip]

it wasn't working?

[tidal karma]

I get a white screen after loading save

Menu work and but can’t see game world unless I remove those lines

[fallow thicket]

That’s weird because it never happened to me

[tidal karma]

I tried pathtracing raster and raytracing same result

I can’t remember if those are normally commented out but I enabled 🤷‍♂️