Modular Military Mask - ArchiveXL

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lmao

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Hey Mana is it possible for wkit to affect a mesh during export?

Like, I managed to get the eye fix working on my Npv, but a few saves later while working on my Npv, the eye fix i's no longer working. I didn't do anything except export the head mesh to glb to use in blender as refit reference

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it shouldn't, no

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Ok upon further investigation, I think I cam across the weirdest, most inconsistent bug ever

So yes as you said, the export had no effect on it

Simply put, sometimes the eye fix works, sometimes it doesn't

I have found no consistent pattern to make it either work or not work consistently

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maylin might know more, ping her in #mod-dev-chat?

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I am not even joking btw. I move 2 steps, it works, I move back 2 steps, it doesn't work when I open photomode there. Another time it was working when opening photomode every odd time.
Another it was working every time I open photomode.

I found no consistency whatsoever

It makes no sense. The bone data is into the meshes, it can't just not exist half the time

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there is an issue with eyes

maylin knows more

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I am more consistent hitting a ping pong ball in a cup from 30 meters in one throw than this eye fix thing

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sadge

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She didn;t know

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then rip

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Also for Mana, do you know why an entry with appearance_01 for a spawned npv always picks a randomized outfit instead of appearance 01?

this only happens when i name the outfits

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yeah - you didn't change the name in the root ent

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oh yeah my bad

thanks

i called it main here instead of 'modern' in root

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

does this line do anything?

I thought it would spawn the npv with that appearance, but it seems it just picks random

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if the existence doesn't exist, it spawns random

show your appearances array

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ok, that's odd, it should work

are you sure that you don't have an older version of the mod somewhere else? are you modifying the rihgt .ent file?

this absolutely never happened to me, before you ask

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this is the only ent i have

It's old i think

Unles you updated your resources?

I honestly don't know from where i fetched this ent file

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no, that should be fine

also, maybe this is a good opportunity to use file validation

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ok

It's complaining about a lot of things

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well, get fixing! 😄

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There's a bunch of these, but I don't know what it wants? The appearances work on unmodded game

there is a massive spam of these, I assume it's complaining because the mesh doesn't exist (it doesn't)

but there is nothing said about the ent

I will redownload your resources

And use your latest ent

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that's a warning. You can ignore it or turn it off in the settings somewhere (I think)

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I just noticed something, when I spawn the NPV, for a fraction of a second the first appeareance is visibile, but then in randomizes

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that's... really odd.

it should not do that.

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your ent is much different than mine, i have 0 resolvedDependencies, yours have 59, and you also have more components

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ok, then you maybe have a prop ent or so

or it got corrupted, or... is form some ancient preset, or whateverest 👀

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yeah the components you have in your ent are totally different

mine is ancient i guess

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probably. A miracle that WKit can resolve it at all 😂

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She still spawns with random appearance, and I changed to your new ent, then i changed the default "random" you put there with another one, and I see it spawning with it for a fraction of a second before randomizing

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do you have any script mods fucking with that?

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none, im just a photomode loser with clothes mods only

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everything up-to-date? amm, codeware?

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that no, haven't updated to latest micro update

razer mouse fix

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try...?

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Well I guess

she runs like a helpless npc when combat starts

I guess my lua is also kaputt

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do you have another version of the archive somewhere, or..? I don't understand this 😂

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i don't

ah whatever, she is just for photomode

I ain't a cool script modder

Just some sad appearance one

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I dabbled in script modding the other day

it hurt

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One day maybe we will be as cool as Psiberx

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I have 20 years of experience in the field, and I don't think I'll ever be as cool as psiberx 😂

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But the eye fix inconsistency is the wildest thing ive ever seen

the only consistent thing that is consistent is that it works in some areas while in some areas it doesnt

waht is even the correlation damn

oh there's a whole ass minecraft beacon in dlc area

damn

I still havent played

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Same

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https://tenor.com/view/antonio-banderas-oh-sweet-impressed-not-bad-gif-9592821

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-my-man-hd-my-man4k-gif-23532578

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I GOT MODDERITIS

It's very fun

u_u

What have you been up to with modding Mana?

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https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/14056 just released this today :3

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Damn that's awesome!

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thanks 😄

really happy with that picture, too

it was such a PITA to get the weapons on their backs...

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You had to drop them and move them around from there right? I feel your pain

And the pic is verigud

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yeah, they're props 😂

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So painful lmao, esp working with two

I wonder why you can't reselect them after changing targets

I kinda wanna figure out who I need to beg for better weapon options in AMM, I'd really like to be able to do that easily as well as customize the things npcs carry

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that would be Max, I guess? But you can already customize that if you change the NPCs' tweak records or their lua files

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Hmm, even down to things like specific attachments? I've embraced the lazy tho, and was thinking about was an expansion of the "take my gun" feature that's there

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Not entirely sure. Probably?

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I will investigate

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Everytime I wanna uninstall this game, I remember my bad photos

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"bad"

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u_u

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https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/14056 btw, I don't know if you've seen this one? You can customize it pretty easily

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0.0

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It has been acquired, I'm sure I'll put these to use

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you can also just change the textures to whatever you want them to be

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https://tenor.com/view/pompompurin-sanrio-yellow-gif-26136831

For suuuure

I have a question for ya'll npv experts

Am I correct in my understanding of NPVs that the only thing that goes into Blender is the head?

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yeah

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So if I wanted to rip an entire player V incl their outfit into Blender, that's a whole 'nother animal ?

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https://wiki.redmodding.org/wolvenkit/modding-community/exporting-to-blender

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Hmmmm

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Okay, I think I'm understanding

And if I wanted to be giga tetra lazy, I could just do this and export it? https://wiki.redmodding.org/cyberpunk-2077-modding/for-mod-creators/modding-guides/npcs/amm-custom-npcs

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yeah, pretty much

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Thank you

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sus

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What's sus? I just want to export head

Share it with the world

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I might not even stop there, maybe I can make it a business

I'll call it

HaaS

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https://tenor.com/view/mazaspin-gif-24763315

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Not quite what I had in mind, but I can work with it

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I audibly laughed at this

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Good, good

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It's true

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Hey Mana, do you know what this component does? its in wkit npv tutorial

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IDK - presumably it's involved in facial animations

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i see, thanks

i neve used it, and it didn't seem to affect anything

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IDK, all NPCs have one

if you just nuke it, presumably something will break

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Well damn

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https://tenor.com/view/head-banging-dog-doggo-cute-gif-17332921

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Isn’t this Johnny’s vest?

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Not really…

I stopped using it a while ago

It might be involved with some clothing components

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Nope it's dlc vest

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Really?

because all NPCs have it 😄

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lmao

I wonder if they had it in the game already but just added it for the player when PL dropped

lazy: 100

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@red reef If you have the time, would you mind helping me through a few issues I'm having with custom NPCs?

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not at alll

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Okay, the things that are kinda killing me to death are hair and exporting materials to Blender. For hair, wkit keeps saying in one way or another that it can't find associated files, even though I thought I pathed everything correctly. For materials, mostly everything shows in game fine, but in Blender just about every modded item I export is a mess (or has no materials at all)

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the warnings might be false positives

they shouldn't, but I can't rule it out. If it works in-game, then that's fine

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[4/19/2024 12:24:00 AM] [Warning  ] 'custom npc tutorial\source\archive\grovacs_npcs\amm\custom_npc\panam_militech\meshes\para_pads_w_l.mesh' includes spaces. Please use _ instead.
[4/19/2024 12:24:00 AM] [Warning  ] app.s1: c:\c2077mct\projects\custom npc tutorial\source\archive\grovacs_npcs\amm\custom_npc\panam_militech\meshes\para_pads_w_l.mesh not found in game or project files. This can crash your game.
[4/19/2024 12:24:00 AM] [Warning  ] 'custom npc tutorial\source\archive\grovacs_npcs\amm\custom_npc\panam_militech\meshes\para_pads_w_l.mesh' includes spaces. Please use _ instead.
[4/19/2024 12:24:00 AM] [Warning  ] Mesh appearances not found. Here's a list:
[4/19/2024 12:24:00 AM] [Warning  ] grovacs_npcs\amm\custom_npc\panam_militech\meshes\hh_033_wa__player.mesh with the appearances [ blonde_platinum, red_merlot, blue_sapphire, brown_ombre, red_apple, ginger_copper, gray_gunmetal, brown_liquorice, ginger_strawberry, pink_magenta, teal_ash, black_carbon, blonde_golden, pink_rose, blonde_dishwater, blue_steel, teal_ombre, black_salt_n_pepper, liliac, blond_platinum, goblin_green, blue_red_ombre, cyberpunk_yellow, green_toxic, mermaid_aquamarine, cold_white, purple_ombre, brown_medium }
[4/19/2024 12:24:00 AM] [Warning  ]   Source                                                            | Appearance
[4/19/2024 12:24:00 AM] [Warning  ]   app.c1 (hh_095_wa__panam5886)                                     | default ```

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c:\c2077mct\projects\custom npc tutorial\source\archive\grovacs_npcs\amm\custom_npc\panam_militech\meshes\para_pads_w_l.mesh

it needs relative paths, not absolute ones

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Oh whoops

Now I know why that one is invisible lmao

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and the last oen complains about you trying to use an appearance "default" that doesn't exist in the mesh

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Hmmmm

I do have one appearance that's default, but in the other I put a name from the hair mesh's appearance section into meshAppearance

It didn't seem to change anything, but I'm trying again now with a more noticeable color

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Ahhhh, I see what you mean now

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I'm still a little baffled by this hair, I thought that error was the cause of me not being able to change its color

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you need to pick one of the appearances from the mesh

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Am I doing it in the wrong way? I just kept the original component and replaced the mesh/meshAppearance with what I wanted. I get the hair, but it's just black no matter what

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Oily-slick black?

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what's the topmost material in the mesh's material entry?

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err, "appearances"; sorry

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No worriess

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OK, this is odd - because that looks like black_liquorice to me

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Yes yes

I think I'm getting warmer though, and maybe I should have started learning about hair with vanilla ones first lmao

"How hard can it be"

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That's a very generous angle for me

I was looking into the mi and saw that it was referencing hp files, had no idea what those were, but when I was exporting for Blender wkit was throwing a fit about them being missing

I added and properly pathed those to where wkit is cool exporting them, but pink_magenta is still very slicky oily blacc

finally

I CAN SLEEP

Thanks for the assistance u_u

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sleep well 😄

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tytytytytytyttyty

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Hey Mana, what could be the cause of instant crash when equipping an item

I have all variants working except one that keeps crashing on equip

Ah wait I think I figured out

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Was it a non-existing mesh? 😄

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yeah i missed an entry in material buffer and i didnt see it was missing

i didnt separate stitches this time so the buffer is a bit more messy

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Use file validation

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you would have the whole console full of warnings about invalid material assignments

Or you keep ignoring it and waste time on debugging I guess

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It was just 1 issue

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https://tenor.com/view/when-the-the-uhh-umm-when-the-uhh-gif-21782251

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Darn, new blender addon got rid of that weird purple and green tints of black colors, but now it doesn't import my camo textures

i sort of fixed, i put it to go straight into here, previously it was going on the red line

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vgud

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lol

When I first started messing with this a month ago I didn't realize you could select linked vertices, so I was trying to clean the model up by deleting them individually

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Jesus Christ on a stick

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this is something for the "Blender stuff I wish I would have known before I started" wiki page

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This is what happens when you don't make donut

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yeah, well, I didn't know it either

I just did ctrl numpad+ and held it for hours like a gonk 😂

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I opened it up again just to see how fast I could do what I wanted the first time and I'm almost done after about an hour

Wot does that do

I have a 60% keyboard

lmao

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"select more"

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Need to NOT

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polygon by polygon?

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vertex by

vertex

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https://tenor.com/view/wombat-moment-gif-17950728288530672465

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I think that's where I learned I could select faces

What I remember most vividly was trying to do that on this

to get the dood the unhand the minigun

i am not a clever man

But I am more cleverer than I was before, I might release this today

I wanna come back through and spruce both of my heli models up, do them properly with 2077 materials, and I will eventually

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Do ittttt

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u_u

Ya'll up to anything interesting?

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I'm.. procrastinating on several fronts

Which means that I was actually productive, by accident

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Tell me moar

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I have found new student

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verigud verigud

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So I can actually do more mods now by splitting work

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https://github.com/WolvenKit/WolvenKit/pulls check out my pull requests u_u

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yespls

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what is this

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It's the list of pending code changes for Wolvenkit

As in: I

• fixed the entity preview for ArchiveXL dynamic variants
• fixed the "copy absolute path to raw folder" not working properly
• and made a better edit box for depot paths (that one even has a video of the result in action)

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the mesh entity preview?

like the thing you see in wkit

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that text truncating thing looks godly

I only have one screen so

lmao

its suffering

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i have one screen too

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yeah :))

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the only thing I don't like about it is that it resets on an edge case

if you paste something into the field and then select another node

you have to press any other key first

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rip

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Icons and garment support

Bleh

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bless your heart

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what you making

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Some Scav tracksuit pants and that little computer arm thingy

Might have to go into blender to get garment support working on it. Changing stuff in the .ent did nothing

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tragic

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i dont even know garment support

im making that vest i said i will

its practically done

going to release next weekend

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Can we get a sneak peak

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I can teach you the garment support though :3

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very sick

[rigid timber]

I'ma be honest I barely understand it ha

[red reef]

I have understood it enough to use it and write wiki guides on it, which is sufficient

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When u have time

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I just shut off pc, but it's that dlc vest

It's already available for player

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speaking of garment support I think I've gotten it to look as good as vanilla at least. What do you guys think?

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yeah!

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It's Reed vest

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Looks decent to me

[rigid timber]

ah I know the one. sick

thanks! for some reason these pants don't seem to confrom as well as others to the holster straps

theres another nice vest from the DLC that's player available but I think it looks much better with a bunch of the submeshes disabled. Really makes it more streamlined and realistic

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Yeeee, I kinda like that groin plate though

But it prob should be a bit bigger

side ones def no

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would be easy to do a version with it and a version with both

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True

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That's what I'm talkin' bout

[rigid timber]

I can throw together one for you

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Oh no no, I was just voicing my opinion about it

I appreciate it tho

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U wanna me do this?

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I mean

If you're asking for ideas, my vote would be for the low poly shirt

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you don't wanna get shot there, right? 😄

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https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/combat-shirt-vanguard-f1078-94d6c405f0294e628e85f8335ac71416

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It's too big

Really

[nimble basin]

lmfaoo

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700k polygons and it's already hitting the limit on path tracing

[nimble basin]

chad shirt

to go with your chad goggles

[nimble basin]

working with Blender makes me feel like it's happened sometimes

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same though

[rigid timber]

Personally the only vest I’m ever going to use is the AVS probably

But just as far as vanilla tactical vests goes I see that one I sent as the next likely candidate for a mod

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You wanna do it?

[nimble basin]

I will support whoever does so

Emotionally

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I mean it's vanilla asset you can just do it regardless

I have my own set of colors, you have your own

I will maybe do more accessories after this vest though

I have a bunch more meshes I ripped

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sheeeeee

[warped dome]

But we shall see

[rigid timber]

There’s someone I know who’s already working on a pretty extensive mod of that vest actually

[warped dome]

Oh, what's the progress.

[rigid timber]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/12130

Same author as this mod and the trauma team one

He has some progress pics on one of the mod pages

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I don't see anywhere

Well anyway as I said, vanilla assets, everyone can just do them however they want, there's like 10 variations of alts clothes on nexus

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yeah 😄

[nimble basin]

I don't think the creators intended for the doors to be ripped off, but it's happening

filling in the holes kinda messed up the texture, but that's a problem for later me

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Man is doing a whole ass Black Hawk

AH 64D when

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https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-sigma-male-this-time-im-really-gonna-do-it-gif-26953224

If you have a good model I'll do the work

Even though I really need to update these first

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What's up with this one

[nimble basin]

For these I need to figure out how to get cyberpunk textures on them then make a few color variants after that. Next is creating variants out of the moving parts, open/closed doors, spinning rotor blades, etc.

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But why didnt you start with the in-game helicopter

[nimble basin]

huge stretch, but I've seen someone working on an av mod, maybe it could work with these too

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You know the one on Johnny memory?

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I was too dumb at the time

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With rogue

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The Valgus?

or however it's spelled

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That heli has gearr down position

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yeyeye

I'll rip that apart for sure

[warped dome]

Like that one would be good one to start before doing ported models

[nimble basin]

Initially I wanted to just mod that to have open doors, since none of the animated variants with interiors have open doors, but I thought adding props would be easier

I can probably wrap my head around that a little better now

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Well just make the whole thing into a prop

[nimble basin]

I think it might already be come to think of it

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/antonio-banderas-oh-sweet-impressed-not-bad-gif-9592821

[red reef]

ohhhhh, wow

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[nimble basin]

that's drip

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Hmmm

Am I missing something when it comes to garment support and custom npcs? My understanding is that all you need is the prefix to be maintained in the meshcomponent name for it to work, but I'm having conflicts between vanilla items (that work fine on me)

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they also need to be entGarmentSkinnedMeshComponents

[warped dome]

ah so that's why it wasnt working for me

[red reef]

and unique IDs

yeahh..

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whataves, i did it the hard way and refitted in blender

[nimble basin]

hmmm

I copied the components I wanted directly from the apps to try and prevent any self-sabotage, they're all in the entgarmentskinnedmeshcomponent thing but what's this about unique ids?

[red reef]

oh, then they will be unique

the "id" property has to not-duplicate, or there'll be glitching string cheese.

[nimble basin]

Oh I'm not having any of that, just clipping

It's this top and bottom

Looks fine there, but then

[red reef]

it might be that the items don't support garment support

dunno

[nimble basin]

Ah, so they can support it on players but not npcs?

[red reef]

no, no. If it has one on player, it'll have one on NPC

[nimble basin]

Do I need to use a particular body base for stuff to play nice?

idk what else it could be, all of that stuff works on me correctly

[red reef]

shouldn't matter at all

oh

tags

there might have been tags in the mesh entity

[nimble basin]

we do be having a nudity tag here

Oh, in the mesh ent

[rigid timber]

@nimble basin is it the pants or the shirt your working on?

[nimble basin]

I'm not trying to change any of them or anything, I just want them not to clip on my custom npcs. Haven't modified them as far as I can remember, save for lifting them from their original .app into mine

now that I look at it it seems like nothing has it lmao, even the vest clips

It's not even the biggest deal for this, but I was just curious

I'll mess around with it some more lmao

[rigid timber]

That’s weird I have no idea

[nimble basin]

It's all good, I appreciate all of ya'll tryin'

[warped dome]

So Mana, I want to learn garment support
I have bodysuit, I have pants, I want to make the suit go under the pants

[red reef]

https://wiki.redmodding.org/cyberpunk-2077-modding/for-mod-creators/3d-modelling/garment-support-how-does-it-work the sub-page of this one

[warped dome]

I'm guesing suit goes in blender

I'm looking at this rn

[red reef]

yeah

[warped dome]

so this, i create myself on the bodysuit

[red reef]

yeah

you can pretty much ignore the lower half and the painting, that's usually optional

only need to do that if the suit shrinks too far

[warped dome]

Right, I made the parameters, now the guide says about paint, I'm supposed to ignore that?

Black is heavy deform, I switched to Vertex paint, the whole suit is black

[red reef]

yeah

just make sure that it has garment support from your shrinky shapekey, and try it out

[warped dome]

ah wait, isnt this one the guide? https://wiki.redmodding.org/cyberpunk-2077-modding/for-mod-creators/3d-modelling/garment-support-how-does-it-work/garment-support-from-scratch

I'm going to follow this one

[red reef]

yes

[warped dome]

Alright, I do believe I've done the blender side correctly, I now have the bodysuit mesh with 2 parameters in wkit that werent there before

now back to the other guide for the wkit side i think

ok so from my undestanding, this is score table i have available. As in, this is the layering. like, a score of 100 is getting squished by score of 120

for dynamic appearance mod, i assume i add this prefix inside the mesh.ent file

[red reef]

yea

just make it t1

if that doesn't help with the squishing yet, add the tag Tight

[warped dome]

alright, what about the pants now that go over them, I just add a prefix to them that has higher score than t1?

nothing to do in blender?

Well, it doesn't seem to have acomplished anything

at least nothing is violently exploding either

It appears my mistake has something to do with the pants

As the garment support on the suit is functional, i can see it being agressively pushed by vanilla pants

by how do i activate it on modded pants

[red reef]

the pants need to have a prefix, too

they should be l1, probably, and maybe "wide" or so?

[warped dome]

If I have multiple components inside ent, should all have the same prefix or just one of them

[red reef]

all of them

or, I mean, depending on what you want to shrink

[warped dome]

The pants ent file has the stitches and pants separated into 2 components. I add l1 prefix to both and put wide instead of normal in visual tags

[warped dome]

aha

so the trick

Was to do the blender garment suport on the pants too

but i didnt apply any shrinkwrap thingy on them

just blank garment support

now the garment suport is a wee bit aggressive

how do i alleviate this, the painting thing or can i just apply bigger offset on the shrinky thing

[red reef]

the painting thing

or, yeah, I guess bigger offset will also do it

[warped dome]

one more question

do i paint on _GarmentSupportWeight

or Color

[red reef]

that's the first guide you had

cap for shrinkage prevention

[warped dome]

Aight

[nimble basin]

why is she holding her soda like that

the straw is gonna fall out

[warped dome]

It's a knife brother

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/wombat-moment-gif-17950728288530672465

[warped dome]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-speech-bubble-cat-drinking-water-stupid-stupid-cat-gif-12327862702270255434

[nimble basin]

why sipp when you can

https://tenor.com/view/happy-lets-drink-big-glass-wine-drinking-gif-16462012

[warped dome]

Can you imagine, I played the game for like 20 minutes then got pissed cuz an item was clipping so I decided to spend 3 hours to learn garment support to fix it

Just modding things

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/nariukiyo-dj-khaled-stop-wait-chill-gif-23353785

[red reef]

biggest mood though

[warped dome]

https://tenor.com/view/pom-pom-purin-purin-gif-25272573

[warped dome]

I do have to say though, while I somewhat learned to apply GS, i dont know how to tweak it properly

the red paint doesnt seem to do anything, this is the best i could get it to look with offset margin

[warped dome]

https://tenor.com/view/hamsters-gif-26548787

[red reef]

uhhh, for me the red paint worked...

[warped dome]

The information in the wiki conflicts with this guide https://docs.google.com/document/d/10dXta2Vicm_1iZeFy5U07_PBCwxa1AhqFvVIMZnezPk/edit

at this part

Which format is it then

[red reef]

I'm trusting the wiki

[warped dome]

Idk what I did wrong, I followed the wiki guide down to each word

The weight is red, the cap and col is black

Do I need to paint red the cap around the waist?

On the bodysuit?

Or on the pants

[red reef]

the red should be on the cap to prevent shrinking past a certain point?

Like, half-red or so

and, not sure on which item, probably the bodysuit

[warped dome]

well this what i try now

Well that didn't do a single thing

[red reef]

do they need to have the _ at the beginning?

[warped dome]

I will try without

[red reef]

that was me being not certain. I updated that not long ago, I made sure to copy that...

[warped dome]

those 3 color atributes don't seem to be doing a thing in my game

i messed around with them, now i delete them and see if that mkaes the mesh explode or not

[red reef]

that's weird

for me it worked the other day

maybe ask in #textures-and-models

[warped dome]

does the body mesh also need to shrink with the clothing item?

[red reef]

it should do that already

[warped dome]

it doesn't

i have modded body

[red reef]

ah, well

[nimble basin]

why is garment support so cursed

[warped dome]

what do i do to fix it

although still

even if the body doesnt shrink, the paint in my game aint doing anything either, i should see something at least

ok you know what

the game wants it the hard way

so be it

i will simply disable the body meshes while wearing the bodysuit

[nimble basin]

NO PANTS

oh

[warped dome]

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/texting-text-risky-running-away-gif-20358470

[nimble basin]

missed one colon in my yaml

https://tenor.com/view/sudoku-gif-18769071

[warped dome]

[nimble basin]

[red reef]

no armature?

[nimble basin]

Did I copy the wrong component or something? idk why npc clothing is giving me so many issues

All I'm doing is lifting components and putting them where I want 'em

This app in particular has stuff that works garment support (like that holster), but when I put my stuff in it goes kaput

[red reef]

you can try setting the parent, uh, rootTransform or bind or whatsitcalled from Component to Root

[nimble basin]

I'm not sure I understand

[red reef]

try setting these two to root

[nimble basin]

Hmmm, it's still floating

[red reef]

hmmm, make sure that the rig is correct? That it's parented? IDK

[warped dome]

you didnt export armature in blender

[nimble basin]

I'm just moving the components from their app to my npc, I need to make modifications in blender to do that?

[red reef]

you shouldn't have to, no

[nimble basin]

I'm not modding the files at all, except sometimes changing the uh

meshAppearance (which I haven't doen for this)

Is this what you meant by making sure the rig is correct?

Maybe I should try a diff app or something, this one is weird af

[red reef]

why not?

[nimble basin]

It's for wa, but the models use male heads and animations. Unless that's normal for 2077 and I just don't know it lmfao

[red reef]

that's normal

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/wombat-moment-gif-17950728288530672465

I think I am beginning to understand why people commission these

so weird

I ported it over the same way I did for this vest:

okay I got it

[red reef]

nice, what was it?

[nimble basin]

root was the fix, it didn't work initially because I used Root (I assumed it was capitalized because Component was)

And also that's in the wiki, so shame on me but thank ya'll

[red reef]

ahh

nope 😄

[warped dome]

[warped dome]

Hey Mana, do you know if the old clothing buffs arre still left in game code somewhere? (and usable for modded clothes)

or is there a TweakXL expert that would know this

[red reef]

Apart

[warped dome]

Where can i bother him, here or chanel or in dm

[red reef]

in #tweakdb, but you might wanna use the search first

[warped dome]

Aight

[warped dome]

Is it possible to edit the .yaml file [?] to increase the armour level? A vest this great-looking should be 40-50 at least

Is this possible?

It would mean editing something else, since right now just putting buff "presets"

[red reef]

You can probably just add a modiffier?

[warped dome]

Is there wiki for this stuff?

[red reef]

?tweaks

[twin wing]

Tweak Modding

The TweakDB is a database of unchanging values for the game such as item and perk definitions, weapon values, loot etc. You can browse the tweak values with WolvenKit, in game with CET, or look through the original tweak source files (/tools/redmod/tweaks) if you have REDmod installed.

:arrow_right: Edit the tweaks with TweakXL

:bulb: Check out the wiki

:eyes: Short video on REDmod and TweakXL modding

[warped dome]

Thanks, I'll read

Also i used file validation because axl was crashing on equip

and it said this

am i dumb or something, all i did was name the mesh _w at the end

and put _{gender} in path

it works if the path is with _w

[red reef]

does the part start with *?

[warped dome]

Thanks

[red reef]

File validation should have checked that...

[warped dome]

It just said .mesh not found, not what's missing

[red reef]

I'll try checking it later

[warped dome]

Looks I gotta dip my fingers into the TweakDB for the first time

Never been here

[red reef]

It doesn't hurt much

[warped dome]

[warped dome]

based wiki

[red reef]

one tries

[warped dome]

So, according to wiki, the TweakDB is basically the whole tweaks folder inside tools

So if i want something, i need to grab it from there?

I'm browsing that folder looking for clothing stats, don't even know how they would be called

[red reef]

that folder is the tweakDB made human-readable

You're going to want Fuzzo's tool, probably

[warped dome]

What is Fuzzo's tool

Also, the cheat sheet on wiki has these

[red reef]

Hmmm, is that not linked here?

[warped dome]

Useful for me or nah

[red reef]

absolutely useful!

You can maybe just set ArmorMultBonus higher

Or EffectivenessMultiplier

[warped dome]

these?

you think this would work? (im loading in anyway)

Clearly it doesn't because the items do not spawn at all

I will fuck around and try to find out

[red reef]

you need to define something first, you can't append it inline

[warped dome]

Ok, get a load of this

Something works

because i have a slight armor buff

I'm not sure why this is happening

I think this stat is multiplying the entire armor value I have, not the one from the vest

[warped dome]

This is from where i took it

But in clothing case, isn't the $base what's defining the item?

[red reef]

whatever the record is

[warped dome]

Btw, this last one works

I get +75 armor (+25 from the base and tags and +50 from the modifier)

Ok then, the actual stat works, but what about modifying this thing

what is this even

Maybe that CET TweakDB browser can help me

Oof, im actually clueless on this one

[red reef]

@steep plinth knows

[warped dome]

I was about to ask in tweakdb-modding, I'll wait a bit then

[red reef]

Search function might know too

Or check my Dante sword, they went and overhauled it a lot

[warped dome]

Devil sword vergil?

[red reef]

yeah

[nimble basin]

Oh my goodness

The solution to my weapon prop issues was installed from day 1 and I didn't even know it

[warped dome]

wdym

also imma ask in the tweakdb channel

[nimble basin]

Unless I'm missing something, there's not really a great way to position weapons outside of dropping them and moving them, which is extraordinarily painful

The default AMM prop ones are missing magazines and appearances, https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/5765 this is the best prop pack I've seen but it seems to also be the only one

(for guns)

[red reef]

but you can just... equip them?

[warped dome]

you mean have guns in poses?

[red reef]

yeah?

[nimble basin]

Yeah, I'm still trying to work with assault rifles specifically and they're quite fussy with photomode v. And even if they did work, there are still some cases where I'd like the rifle to appear slung, or doing something else

[red reef]

maybe you can do that if you weight them to a different bone than weapon

not sure though, would require experimentation

[nimble basin]

I tried moving the weapon bone around, but it seems to act weird if it gets too far from the hand

[warped dome]

what are you trying to do

I've done poses with weapons in blender

[nimble basin]

like for stuff like this

[red reef]

don't rig it to the weapon

just rig it to, IDK, hips

[nimble basin]

That's what I did for this pose initially, I rigged the weap bone to my spine

If i'm understanding you correctly

It looks like this:

which could also be a skill issue since I've only tried a couple of times

[red reef]

hmmm

maybe try rigging it to root?

[nimble basin]

huge brain

I'll try that

[nimble basin]

Even so, sometimes I don't wanna make a whole anim to stick a gun on someone's back or chest tho

[red reef]

fair

[nimble basin]

It seems like Object Spawner has some things I want, I'm not sure exactly how it works but I think it pulls from ents

I need to mess with it some more, but the fact that is has one intact rifle with a magazine in it is enough for me lmao

[warped dome]

I am actually still confused what you try to do

You want a weapon to spawn with the pose in a certain position?

[nimble basin]

That too, but mainly I was talking about the ability to spawn a specific weapon into the world that you can adjust with ease

[red reef]

AMM use case, totally. Might just have to do a better weapon prop mod with all the appearancdes and parts

[nimble basin]

Purrrrhaps

Object Spawner might have a better way of going about this though, unless I'm glazing over some AMM functionality. With OS you can spawn the parts of a weapon, put them together, and have them move as a single object

[red reef]

AMM can't do that, but you can spawn them relative to each other

first spawn the gun and position it, then save that one's position...

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-10377780

[warped dome]

You basically import the weapon in blender , do the pose with it and export as usual, idk what the setting is in wkit or yaml to make it spawn with the weapon you have equipped but essentially it's going to work the same as the vanilla gun poses

[nimble basin]

Oh yeah I can do that

But some weaon types don't work with that

(for player v)

[warped dome]

Well I ain't pose modder

[red reef]

yet

[warped dome]

You can ask Elfjpeg, she does lots of poses with props

[warped dome]

Damn missreact

But I wanted to say

That I really doubt I do poses

[nimble basin]

They've been really fun for me tbh

esp with the ik thing xbae has

Well, really fun except trying to figure out how to use certain gun props with them

[warped dome]

If there any modding I'd want to learn, that'd be some tweak and script modding

You know the cool af most based modding

[nimble basin]

thermal upgrade for the nvgs

with vtk feet support (finally)

[warped dome]

Ik it's gonna sound super easy but:
Use the nvg mod and change it's color, and make it have permanent ping effect based on a radius around the player. Change colors

That's thermals for you

[nimble basin]

https://youtu.be/MBXWHoiIgew?si=JICs4zzRcHbT0pZB&t=30 could it be this though?

[warped dome]

oh yeah lol i forrgot about this

even easier

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/izzy-gif-26084332

And you'd do that all through scripting?

[warped dome]

i have no idea, probably

[nimble basin]

could be neat

[warped dome]

I'm just a sad appearance modder man

Basic level modding

[nimble basin]

yeah okay

https://tenor.com/view/mark-wahlberg-smh-shake-head-no-nope-gif-17582268

[warped dome]

Entry level

Beginner

I just recolor some vanilla assets

And make fancy modpages, literally no cool script modding

[nimble basin]

ur cool enough already

[warped dome]

I'm 0 cool

[nimble basin]

WRONG

[warped dome]

CORRECT

One day I will be a cool script modder

One day

[nimble basin]

I'm looking forward to it

Just like I'm looking forward to having more than one mod on my mod page

[warped dome]

[nimble basin]

Maybe I can do some poses as another interim project before my weapon

[warped dome]

Believe in yourself

Become script modder

Release Cyberpunk 2

[nimble basin]

with support for vtk feet

[warped dome]

Why stop at vtk feet, make support for ktv feet

[nimble basin]

If I wanted to do anything with scripts tho, it'd be to figure out how to make stuff fly

for my chopper props

[warped dome]

We all want our AH 64 D Longbow

[nimble basin]

true, true

[warped dome]

Or perhaps an AH1W with Zuni dumb rockets

[nimble basin]

I was thinking more along the lines of dildo hellfires

[warped dome]

[nimble basin]

kinetic only

no explosive

very precise

[warped dome]

You know kinetic hellfires do exist

[nimble basin]

🤷

[red reef]

you're tacticool already

[nimble basin]

See? If mana thinks your cool then you're def cool

[warped dome]

She was talking to you

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/max-fosh-uno-reverse-uno-uno-reverse-card-football-gif-15997104819716648222

nou

wait

Is it possible to rip models from war thunder?

[red reef]

I bet

ninjaripper if nothing else

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-cat-gif-21688581

oop

Ninjaripper seems a lil intrusive from my cursory peepin tho

Not trying to get vac'd over my modding exploits lmao

[red reef]

they can't prove anything

[nimble basin]

I just saw a little about it injecting dlls and whatnot, but maybe the work's already done for me somewhere

[warped dome]

Hey Mana, there were new updates to core mods, are these useful for us in any way? I'm struggling to understand the patch notes

[red reef]

they are! AXL supports dynamic materials in meshes

I need to document it. but it's great

[warped dome]

Welll if you say its great then it can't wait to learn

[red reef]

[warped dome]

Mana I am failing super hard
What am I doing wrong here, aren't these supposed to go here like this? Ingame what happens is that i can see the item in the shop and/or "add" it via code. The notification of adding it appears but nothing exists

[red reef]

check the tweakXL log?

[warped dome]

Someone needs to have a bit patience and teach me tweakxl modding from nothing, i don't think I'm getting anywhere on my own

[red reef]

this doesn't seem to exist

you need to set the base to an existing game item

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-cat-gif-21688581

[nimble basin]

https://tenor.com/view/ralph-ralph-wiggum-simpsons-ralph-i'm-learnding-i'm-learning-gif-17493450018197884567

[nimble basin]

the wiki made this so painless

I tried to size it accurately too, so it fits with other gear

[red reef]

[nimble basin]

[warped dome]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-gif-21358706

[nimble basin]

was also thinking of a mask up variant, I may have to do this without the straps at first because it's exceeding my skill level lmao

[warped dome]

no one, even irl would wear it like this

you can't

it's just going to fall off you head

[nimble basin]

Yeah you'd probably want to stow it before fighting, but it still looks cool lmao

I also wanted to make a pose that looks like the character is taking it off

[nimble basin]

first time axlifying clothing

i wish it would texture itself, I wanna use it already lmao

I need to do that and fix the hard parts deforming

[red reef]

https://wiki.redmodding.org/cyberpunk-2077-modding/for-mod-creators/modding-guides/textures-and-luts/archivexl-dynamic-materials @warped dome here we go

[warped dome]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-woo-autism-tyler1woo-gif-22613941

I am reading this NOW

[red reef]

😂

[nimble basin]

lmao

[warped dome]

If this would've also reduced appearances down to 1 somehow, it would've been incredible

But im not complaining

I am switching to this immediately

[nimble basin]

Is there no reason to use the old system with this?

ok

lmao

[red reef]

only if you like copy-pasting lmao

[warped dome]

This is just a straight up upgrade

[nimble basin]

I DONT

I DO NOT LIKE IT

[warped dome]

Like there is nothing you need from the previous way

This is just better

Like 10 < 20 better

[nimble basin]

I knew I was procrastinating for a reason

[red reef]

I switched to using .mi files for this

But this is absolutely better 😄

[nimble basin]

beautiful

[warped dome]

Any more breakthroughs upcoming?

I think I asked you once about this and you said it's not possible, the json file can't get the same dynamic treatment?

[red reef]

yeah, app and ent merging

[red reef]

No, this is outside of ArchiveXL

[warped dome]

dAMN

[warped dome]

Real?

I'm guessing the ent stays

[red reef]

You don't have to overwrite NPC files anymore

you can merge into them

replace stuff, even

[warped dome]

@nimble basin Wanna commission me for something?

Check what i found

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/military/military-character/military-boots-special-forces

If you buy me this I'll port it

With garment support and shit

So pants get tucked in

[warped dome]

Hey Mana, is this needed anymore in modern AXL or I can just yeet it?

[red reef]

that can go

[warped dome]

Got it, ty

[nimble basin]

I don't mind making purchases, but is it good to buy at that price?

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/military/military-character/military-game-ready-rigged-western-sepecial-forces-operator You can get a whole operator for 10 more dollars

[warped dome]

At the original price, no, but this one is 50% off which is now fair for what we're getting

[warped dome]

let me see

The thing is not bad

[nimble basin]

It looks like it's so cheap because they have a V2 out, but it looks good to my noobie eyes

[warped dome]

But it's like, quite low poly

[nimble basin]

esp those PVS-31s

Ah

[warped dome]

Mixed UV unwrapping apparently too

But the other problem, this is one massive kit

[nimble basin]

What does that mean exactly?

[warped dome]

I can't port all of it in a timely matter

[nimble basin]

Oh that's okay, I was just trying to be cost efficient

[warped dome]

I mean, if you want to buy it and you port it, I can teach you stuff if needed

I just prefer smaller, higher quality meshes

[nimble basin]

If you liked something from that or another similar thing, I'd rather spend 20 or 30 on a set vs 1 item. But if you say it's a good price for those boots I'll consider them

[warped dome]

Well, do you like those boots?

[nimble basin]

They're good looking, but I see other models that look very similar which makes me suspicious

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/various/various-models/boots-56e5840f-ae49-4b9e-8367-d5bc49d94342

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/tactical-boots-e6c69b05-9fda-4acb-a7cd-2112115f689b

[warped dome]

This one is incredibly low poly

[nimble basin]

Alright

[warped dome]

This one is sus

Looks almost the same, but it says mixed UVs and the poly count is doubled

[nimble basin]

What's the problem with mixed uvs? I'm noob

Is that the overlapping thing we hate?

[warped dome]

I'm also not sure what they mean by mixed, could be anything, it could mean the UV's are not unwrapped, or some are ovelapping

The more expensive one has a picture of the UV

And it's like, an "adjustable" low polygon

starts at 40k and i can push it up to 300k by the looks of it

[nimble basin]

Hmm interesting

[warped dome]

You can see on images there, they actually show you

the subdivision modifier

[nimble basin]

I see whatcha talkin' about

[warped dome]

And about your full kit

You do get more meshes, but you also kinda pay for stuff you won't use like rigs and perhaps textures if you're going mlsetups

[nimble basin]

True, true

[warped dome]

theres lots of good stuff on cgtrader

even better than daz

[nimble basin]

Hmm hmm

When does the sale end? I was thinking maybe we could look around a bit more today before pulling the trigger

[warped dome]

I have no idea

yah you can look around

But this boots, assuming you get everything thats said in description, is just excellent for porting

[nimble basin]

Alright alright

[warped dome]

good starting polycount, subdivision ready, the model looks very good, UV unwrapped and you dont pay for textures

but lets look around

i did actually look on other sites

but i couldnt find something similar in quality

From the same guy there is different model https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/military/military-character/special-forces-assault-boots

but the first ones look more agressive to me

[nimble basin]

Yeah I agree, the 1st ones go harder

[warped dome]

And the licence is royalty free

so we're like double good on these

[nimble basin]

sheee

[warped dome]

you can also browse on ArtStation

Stuff there is cheaper, but it has less info

Bit of a gamble what you buy there

[nimble basin]

Not with me, I'll make a phone call

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Another appealing model i saw is this https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/sci-fi-character/gloves-military-combat-soldier-protection-camouflage-safety

this author has all kind of stuff

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https://www.artstation.com/marketplace/p/BV2mK/gloves-mechanix-m-pact-military-govles

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take a look

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oh damn, thats real nice actually

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https://tenor.com/view/antonio-banderas-oh-sweet-impressed-not-bad-gif-9592821

Those are real too

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but the problem

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How hard is it to make them?

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someone with experience can probably do it with relative ease i suppose

but i've never done this

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Hmmm

that is a nice price as well

unless that 12 dollar version is necessary

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Well... yes in theory

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Maybe I can ask him about it, what would you pay for these with and without UVs?

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Probably 5 max, but then again i dont know how to do UVs

so we'd need someone that would do this for us

plus, refitting gloves is a bit yikes

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lmao

Why's that?

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you need to refit each finger of course

and you need to do it very well, this is first person stuff

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Damn rip

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so ye, dats about it what i found good

I have a teammate now, so I can tackle multiple projects at once

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verigud

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Hey Mana, I am failing so hard that not even the file validation wants to help me anymore

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nice 😄 what at?

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Im getting the classic shiny void texture

I file validated every file in my project

As a matter of fact, i just changed this to the classic way of doing materials

And that works

But when i do the changes above, it doesn't work

I did update AXL and every core mod, so I'm really clueless now, file validation doesn't say anything anymore

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file validation isn't fully updated to check for dynamic appearances yet

because I have to update it, and I didn't have any spoons yet 😐

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I'd try to recreate the MultilayerSetup CKeyValue pair

oh, sec

this here can't be soft

only the one with the dynamic path

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But the file validation said so

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it did? fuck, then it's checking too generously

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wait ill show

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this one is right, the other one isn't

I think

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Hmmm, okay, can you double-check?

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yeah im going ingame now

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It's checking incorrectly

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Still same

damn

is the other way around?

Well I am truly bamboozled

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with Default for the base material?

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Ya

and Soft on the mlsetup

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hm

check how I did it in my rope mesh?

I remember struggling with this at first

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alright

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well i literally copy pasted your implementation and its the same for me

your mod does work ingame

so i can also rule out the dependencies being ghostly outdated

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maybe update them again?

axl, txl, codeware

make sure that you have everything on the last version, all core mods

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@warped dome Okay, just to confirm, you want these https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/clothing/balenciaga-x-crocs-platform-sandals

Oh whoops, fat finger

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/military/military-character/military-boots-special-forces

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Man I kid you not

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I wanted to do military crocs on April fools

I was so close

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lmfao

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But I was too lazy

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I was tempted to get them too

like regular meme crocs - I sleep

platform meme crocs? real shit

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Platform crocs? Let's go

But why stop at platform

Where are high heel crocs

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Retrothruster Platform Croc replacer for Rogue

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yah this is it

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I will get

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Are those crocs a good model and price too? Asking for a friend

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let me check

oh yea