R18 (suspended)

[sharp bone]

ahh variables themselves got ya

hmm Its not giving me that

The whole world render thing I cant create

[sharp bone]

Yeah I cant get it to let me do anything

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O4GcBZcn5AAabWwOylxuq1fQHhDYJb0F/view?usp=sharing Just in case here it is with the textures fixed and right way round.

[steady glacier]

I'll see

didn't fix it

not sure why it's broke for me

even if it is a conflict on the save, I've only ever used weather probability and blade runner rain on it

both of which are disabled

[acoustic sandal]

Almost there the damn sun and then I'll show you what values I used

[inner tendon]

holly...

[steady glacier]

Is this the newest build with the tweaks that null recently made?

cause he changed fog and shit

[acoustic sandal]

No! I spent the day working on it and I will upload it to GitHub soon, there are still things to do

sun has destroyed me

[steady glacier]

Ah ok, was just wondering

[acoustic sandal]

https://youtu.be/GaiXBh2Eus0

[steady glacier]

also yeah the sun, scattering, and fog/volumetrics seem like the biggest hurdles right now

[steady glacier]

ooo

that looks super nice

game looks so much better with that sun pos

[acoustic sandal]

But there is still a LOT to be done!

[steady glacier]

Yes, of course. :)

good job though man

[acoustic sandal]

This is 07:00 AM and I need to figure out how to keep the same look for the hours ones until 12:00

[steady glacier]

hmm ok

sounds difficult

[acoustic sandal]

This game is a mess

[steady glacier]

haha yeah

I'm still wondering how the hell you guys can get that old light scattering code to work

I feel like that's one of the biggest aspects of the demo

gunna need a response from CDPR

or someone that knows their shit

[acoustic sandal]

If know how to increase the brightness of the sky to make it a little more light blue that would be great,
but you can't increase the atmosphere alphas or you'll fuck everything up
CDShitRED

[steady glacier]

lmao

I have no idea how to mod any of this shit

but it sounds very tempermental

[inner tendon]

i suppose that code is interlaced. You change one thing, everything crumbles.

[steady glacier]

yeppers

[acoustic sandal]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/5179?
This mod is very similar to the streets of the demo, but the author has no idea when it will finish, could someone do it for all the textures (replace the missing ones)?

[steady glacier]

@sharp bone

this sounds like a job for you

[sharp bone]

Ill check but I think mine covers all of them. Either way when I get up later Ill see if I can improve them a bit

[steady glacier]

Oh ok, wasn't aware it did literally all of the roads

[steady glacier]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17HWGmPivBEGSXVMygcX4hAAkwWL6YYE3/view?usp=sharing

Skater made these

they are really good

[sharp bone]

I did all the road textures that popped up in wolven kit. Same thing I did with the clouds which I lightened them up.

[steady glacier]

Oh ok, awesome

it's funny how simple some of this stuff is compared to other games I've worked on, like New Vegas

[sharp bone]

But ill check and see if there are some like or patches textures I didnt do. Little things but I think I got all the Major ones

[steady glacier]

fair

[sharp bone]

Also right now before I lay down im going to post up a light cloud version of my mod. The normal one when combined with their values in r18 is covering the whole sky with clouds

[steady glacier]

yeah I noticed

[sharp bone]

so non r18 can use my normal one. The light one use with r18

[steady glacier]

yep

that's actually for the better, means the clouds can be even more white, like the demo ones

[sharp bone]

But the mod right now for r18 is so good that I cant wait for L3X4r's tweaks cause I even went back to 4k no rtx lighting cause it doesnt need it.

[steady glacier]

yeah fr

I still use it just cause I can

but even without it, it looks great

I wonder if it'll work with RTX once they figure out the 2018 light scattering

it might not

which if not, that's fine, because that scattering will make it look just how it looks in the demo

which looks incredible

[sharp bone]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uyGABPKCcKuAEIVELL28AVuKZxTYxWm5/view?usp=sharing Here is the light version

Idk that is a good question. I guess it depends how much the game is setup to calculate rays bouncing. But seeing as how good the reflections are in rtx. I think the lighting system will be ok. Might use some more fps though.

[steady glacier]

Yeah, I think that 2018 demo light scattering technique is the main part that's missing from R18 rn regarding the sun

no other mod has tried using that code yet

because nobody knows how

except for CDPR

when I say light scattering, I mean like this

[sharp bone]

Yeah same but also can be tricky like earlier lol. But still better then redoing whole textures. Like the one I did for Spider-Man.

[steady glacier]

this isn't possible without that line of code

[steady glacier]

true

[steady glacier]

but idk if it'll be possible to use with RTX

since it was implemented way before the game had RTX

[sharp bone]

Will find out hopefully

[steady glacier]

indeed

I just really hope they get that working

it looks so damn good

the way the light bounces off of characters and shines onto hair and shit with that line of code working properly is so juicy

[sharp bone]

And yeah RTX itself just debut after E3 that year. Crazy to think about

[steady glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/yummers-the-boys-homelander-gif-26204488

[steady glacier]

yeah fr lol

they prob had to redo like all the lighting for RTX

at that stage

[sharp bone]

Yup for sure. Maybe hence alot of the changes. Would even affect non rtx cause of changing the base as well

[steady glacier]

yeah that's also why I think it may have changed so much

over the years

just wish they would have at least been consistent with the original 2018 style

it's pretty clear a lot of the assets and world were heavily influenced by that demo and subsequently the lighting

[sharp bone]

Even 2019 would have been good to aim more for the final product. It had some 18 stuff still in there as well. But before release they just changed everything from color scheme to layouts etc.

[steady glacier]

yeah exactly

that's why when you look at the world with lighting like this, and all the assets, it just looks right

cause it was designed around lighting like this

[sharp bone]

When I saw 2019 I ledgit thought most of that would be final product. I mean was only a bit over a year later for release. Cause had new and old stuff in it. But literally none of it became the final product lol. First Playthrough I remember I tried to hack the bot to punch the guy out and thought cause of my level I couldnt do it. But nope just wasnt there lol

[steady glacier]

yeah I'd argue the 2019 shit was a lot less representative of the final product than the 2018 demo

like I was re watching the 2018 demo, and so much of it is legitimately the same as final

aside from visuals and placeholders and stuff

like the script is all the same

[sharp bone]

very true

And stuff from 2018 is actually hidden in the files. I dont think Ive seen anything from 2019

[steady glacier]

yeah

[sharp bone]

There is data for 2019 intro. idk what that is and have no clue how to look at it.

[steady glacier]

like, I love the 2018 lighting, I think it was the absolute best version of the game, same with it's HUD and UI, but other aspects are really shit and were almost all changed for the better. The 2019 version is just kinda meh, I don't even think I remember anything from it

[sharp bone]

I think thats it and something for crowd

[steady glacier]

yeah

[sharp bone]

I did like 2019 alot for what looked like great additions for quality of life. But 2018 set the fantastic base and 19 just added. So I feel the same way. But also I like to mix the 2 when I can cause I feel like thats how it should have come out

[steady glacier]

fair

I do like some aspects from 2019 better, but not many

final version made a lot of improvements too though

so idk man

they all have their own perks

I just prefer 2018 the best I think

[sharp bone]

True and yup

[steady glacier]

and with the modern visual upgrades that vanilla has, along with all the placeholders being removed and shit, I think vanilla with 2018 lighting and hud is the best way to play

and a few balance mods

and shit

[sharp bone]

Like if it wasnt for whatever they did to the color gamut. The Lighting they have now for stock is actually pretty good. But just the damn color is like too sharp idk hard to explain. But also hate the color choices for the stock UI. Its all over the place

[sharp bone]

Amen

[steady glacier]

Yeah fr

the vanilla game looks like if you took the 2019 build and then applied a really shit clickbait reshade to it with like 20% sharpening and a greenish filter

like honestly

[sharp bone]

there we go. Exactly

Described it perfect

[steady glacier]

I just don't get why they deliberately did that

when the E3 lighting from 2018 is totally feasible to do

and looks so much better

[sharp bone]

Its a recent change also cause I dont think colors were like that around like 1.3 or so of the game. Cause I wasnt bugged by it and now I cant stand it.

But also the lighting back then was ass. So I guess normal Cdpr one step forward two steps back with some things

[sharp bone]

Would have been less demanding for the consoles as well that had such a hard time.

God I feel so sorry for those people lol. Pc wasnt perfect but thank god that was my first experience cause was alot better lol

[steady glacier]

exactly

lmfao yeah

I played launch week and had barely any issues

thank god

[sharp bone]

yup

[steady glacier]

a lot of annoyances, but no major issues

[sharp bone]

Yeah usually nothing a reloaded save couldnt fix

Alright Im off to bed. Talk to you all later

[steady glacier]

Yeah you too man, good talk and ty for making R18 even better

[sharp bone]

Thanks just glad to be able to help at all.

[lofty thistle]

fart

[steady glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/poggers-scooter-certified-this-is-a-certified-hood-classic-certified-hood-classic-gif-21545175

[inner tendon]

@lofty thistle what's your time zone?

[lofty thistle]

MST

nearly 7 now

[inner tendon]

oh

alright

that explains why you push out updates when I'm half in bed 😂

[lofty thistle]

okay

[inner tendon]

How's the current build?

[lofty thistle]

still likke the last one

I need WolvenKit to let me add variables

[coarse sable]

Only possible with older versions?

[coarse sable]

Oh, yep, just had to scroll up.

I have 1.5, so if you still need that, I can probably do it.

[acoustic sandal]

I think the right thing would be to force the sun to change its position via script

[sharp bone]

That would work

[acoustic sandal]

I'm doing what I can in the old env

Wip broken env

[sharp bone]

ohh very nice

[acoustic sandal]

Hey man, I was talking to Null about the streets, can I talk to you in private?

[sharp bone]

Those env things still blow my mind lol

Yeah sure message me

[sharp bone]

Ok alot of the patches are like dark grey with some black asphault around the edges. Ok im going to start working

[acoustic sandal]

We need to remove the tracks

[lofty thistle]

@acoustic sandal

you can update to 1.6 now!

you can add variables now

wait for nightly and update!

[acoustic sandal]

Oh, thx

[sharp bone]

Nice

[acoustic sandal]

17pm

[lofty thistle]

oh my godddd

[sharp bone]

Ooooooo my goodness

[lofty thistle]

[sharp bone]

And yup Im looking at them now

[lofty thistle]

is this with R18?

can you give me the env so i can merge with my current values?

I could finally add distant fog albedo

[sharp bone]

Im glad it started working Null.

What did it take?

[lofty thistle]

just wolvenkit update

[sharp bone]

Was I doing something wrong or my version wasnt working either?

Oh ok nice

thank god

[lofty thistle]

I could've done it at any time using JSON but it would've taken literal hours

too much time

oh but it is way too bright

[sharp bone]

Oh so I was making life hard on myself trying to mess with env as json. Good to know now lol

[lofty thistle]

@acoustic sandal do you know how to make the sun bigger and hide it?

like how you said, HIDE THAT BALL

[sharp bone]

Really is intense isnt it

[lofty thistle]

i want it to be MORE intense

right now you can see the sun clearly

IRL you can't

neither in 2018

[sharp bone]

Oh true I didnt even see that the sun is visible there. Yeah not use to seeing it in CP lol

[acoustic sandal]

Want to hide the ball? Increase alpha in LightColor

[lofty thistle]

thx

[steady glacier]

big ball

[sharp bone]

https://tenor.com/view/weather-weather-man-television-tv-shows-tv-gif-16276474

[steady glacier]

null should add a mechanic where if you look at the sun, it actually burns your eyes irl

realism

[sharp bone]

ugh forgot how long it takes to pack a bunch of files

[sharp bone]

Ooooo

[acoustic sandal]

What will give the biggest impression of the demo are the roads, that's why we need the roads

[sharp bone]

Yeah Im going to try out what I did now after its done packing. And see if I need to make more little details or not

[acoustic sandal]

I'm still studying a possibility of the sun
In the demo, the sun was at the 07:00 am position in the final game and demo is 17:00. They changed it because they're too boring

[steady glacier]

this is demo

[acoustic sandal]

Demo is 17pm

[chrome ore]

Did you toss that watermark up at the top on there or am I losing it?

[steady glacier]

yes

he did

[acoustic sandal]

Is my mod 🙂

Yeah I think we're gonna need a script for the sun :/

[steady glacier]

script sun

[acoustic sandal]

For position

[lofty thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/794475232764100648/979856321060962344/FTyLY6SUcAAWbGh.gif

[steady glacier]

wait so is POOP3R considered the best e3 lighting mod currently?

[lofty thistle]

modus likes it

[steady glacier]

sorry if thats a silly question

[lofty thistle]

R18 is pretty nice ;)

[steady glacier]

ngl with POOP3R the enviornment is really dark at night

[lofty thistle]

yes it is

[steady glacier]

does r18 suffer the same issue?

[lofty thistle]

no

[steady glacier]

then i shall try r18

thanks for the answers

[lofty thistle]

R18

[steady glacier]

where can you find r18?

i cant see it on nexus

only r19

[lofty thistle]

github

https://github.com/nullfrctl/R18

[lofty thistle]

@acoustic sandal can you give me your sun colors?

[acoustic sandal]

Are in the 2018 env, any of them

LightColor

[lofty thistle]

no differences?

you haven't modified them?

[acoustic sandal]

I didn't change anything there

I will never forgive myself for not backing it up! Now I don't know how to change the sun position

[lofty thistle]

it is latitude

I said it didn't look very good, but it did work

[acoustic sandal]

Not works for me

I've never done anything scripted for this game, I don't even know where to find them,
but I believe the sun would be better changed either in the script or in some time file

[lofty thistle]

Hmm

did you change in both LightDirection and LightArea

[sharp bone]

Im repacking to see if I fixed the issue. But still need to find what controls the tire marks etc. I found some textures im looking at. It might be meshes but I have never messed with those before.

[lofty thistle]

well lexar, can you just send your files over?

[acoustic sandal]

Not finished yet, I'm fixing issues

[steady glacier]

I lied, it sucks

compared to this one, anyway

:)

I NEEED light CATTERING

SCattering

AWWWWWWWWWW

[lofty thistle]

ask cdpr

[steady glacier]

k bet lemme call up pawel

NCPD GET ON THE GROUND MOTHER FUCKER

[sharp bone]

hehe

[steady glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk2077-cd-projekt-red-night-city-police-department-in-game-ad-gif-18501659

[sharp bone]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk2077-cyberpunk-quadra-v-tech-car-cars-gif-19510356

Time to run lol

[lofty thistle]

hmm

[steady glacier]

what if the police overhaul just makes it so more cops spawn behind you?

[lofty thistle]

@acoustic sandal technically latitude cannot physically be more than 90

or -90

[sharp bone]

Asphalt is good

But concrete not so much

Im going to keep messing with it

[steady glacier]

You've prob already been doing this, but you may wanna recheck how it looks in demo

cause maybe that'll indicate how it was done properly before

idk

[sharp bone]

Yeah I did already. Asphalt looks exact and got the patches to be a dark grey.

Concrete I might just have to go more grey to try and hide the tire marks cause I cant figure out where those are.

[steady glacier]

nice

[steady glacier]

maybe if you make them lighter

it'd look better

if possible

[sharp bone]

Yeah If I could find them

[steady glacier]

yeah

[sharp bone]

@acoustic sandal what do u think of the Asphalt ones

Ahh crap. They are meshes

I looked up road dirt and its a mesh so I assume tire marks are as well

[steady glacier]

Hmmm

That's annoying

[sharp bone]

I will try but cant gurantee anything. Blender is still a big learning experience for me

[steady glacier]

It shouldn't be TOO hard

I bet you can do it

[sharp bone]

for now Ill just adjust Concrete color

And take my time on the other stuff

[chrome ore]

man holy shit i just realized we're in a forum thread right now, discord got forums. Nutty to think about

[sharp bone]

yup

[steady glacier]

nutty

[lofty thistle]

going to sleep early

im fuckin done

exhausted

hell im thinking of cancelling the project for a little

good thing is lexar is working on it

if he can figure something out, i'll get back on but for now im all out of ideas

[steady glacier]

says this and then comes back tomorrow and adds 50k things

but seriously, just take a break for a while

no need to rush

@sharp bone I actually noticed the road marks aren't in the demo

so I don't think it'll matter if they are removed

[sharp bone]

Yeah I want them gone but just might be beyond me to do

[steady glacier]

so there isn't a way to just like

delete them from the directory?

[sharp bone]

Not that simple. Atleast I havent figure out a way to delete anything using wolvenkit. I assume for safety it keeps all the original files

[steady glacier]

Hmm weird

[acoustic sandal]

Now i need works in 12:00 and figure out the sun positioning solution
Fog has been changed to have the same colors as the demo

[steady glacier]

Wowzers

[acoustic sandal]

Also played with the clouds (The LOD of this game is horrible)

[steady glacier]

lol yeah LOD is so fucking bad now

I was playing yesterday, and prop LOD is like a 2 inch difference from being rendered or not

it's so immersion breaking

[acoustic sandal]

I think there is a mod to fix this, no?

LOD PS2

[steady glacier]

Yeah there are mods, I just think it's stupid that it needs to be modded

[sharp bone]

Finally getting somewhere

[steady glacier]

this looks really good

[sharp bone]

Yeah I have been going through a bunch of stuff and still going to tweak more. But now I also have an archive full of junk but finally found a file that had the black patchwork in it. No luck still on the Tire Mark decals

[steady glacier]

well at least you're getting close

it's a process of trial and error ig

[sharp bone]

yup

[steady glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-19575284

me when you finish roads

[acoustic sandal]

10:00 am is not so bad

[steady glacier]

yeah, looks alright

[acoustic sandal]

17 pm

[steady glacier]

that fog recoloring definitely helped

the stuff in the background looks a lot more like the demo now

before it looked too washed out and kinda redish

it had no depth

now it looks almost just like demo

in that regard

[acoustic sandal]

It cost me 10 hours

[steady glacier]

worth it

[inner tendon]

holly shit

you guys are just on another level

[acoustic sandal]

What doesn't help much is the texture of the streets, but I hope Skater manages to bring in some great work!

[inner tendon]

Wish I could help somehow

[acoustic sandal]

Texture maybe?

[inner tendon]

texture? Well the problem is that I have no experience in modding cp yet. If somebody teaches me and sends me yt vids to start I'm in

[sharp bone]

Im learning myself so its taking me some time. But Im getting there. Actually think I just found the tire decals

[inner tendon]

Can we work together and teach me?

[steady glacier]

you can kinda see what I'm trying to say in this comparison

[sharp bone]

@inner tendon Once I finish these up yeah I can show what I did for basic textures. I still havent learned meshes yet though

[acoustic sandal]

CDPR could easily bring the demo look if they wanted, without having to change that engine

[steady glacier]

true

which is what makes me so angry

[inner tendon]

okay

[steady glacier]

that vanilla looks shit

because it's not even like they cut demo looks out of necessity, they just did it to do it

lmfao

only thing that actually requires any big changes is that light scattering thing

[steady glacier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/859760981079752734/1008732040625143879/funny-funnyfix.gif

[acoustic sandal]

Interesting, if I delete all your variables in expossure, it gets a little browner

[acoustic sandal]

Clouds! I loved the demo clouds

[steady glacier]

Yes, they look awesome

But you got night in that area really close

to demo

already

[steady glacier]

holy shit

that's actually so close

this is why I love R18, because you get the demo lighting and all the good stuff from it, while also retaining all the visual upgrades the base game has over the demo

[acoustic sandal]

I will try to find a solution for the sun, but so far, no luck

[steady glacier]

You'll figure it out

I got faith

[sharp bone]

yup still looks really good

[steady glacier]

yeah but now it's getting to the point where it's almost indistinguishable from the demo

at least in those specific screenshots at night

in that scene

could've fooled me

[inner tendon]

l3x4r

is it on github?

[acoustic sandal]

Not

[inner tendon]

okay

[acoustic sandal]

still working on it

[steady glacier]

This scene is also accurate but there isn't a point in really comparing since the demo version had different geometry with sunlight coming through the building

[sharp bone]

Ok im going to tweak just a couple things then Ill post up what I did but wont be final. Im starting to get tired

[steady glacier]

Yeah dude you can always continue tomorrow

don't push yourself too hard

at the end of the day, it's just a game

[inner tendon]

Nah fam...
//A simulation//

😂

[steady glacier]

THIS IS THE NEXT GENERATION OF OPEN WORLD ADVENTURE SIMULATION RPG ULTRA MEGA UE5 GRAPHICS CRAZY

RTX

™️

[inner tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-laughing-drink-and-laugh-drinking-laugh-rajabets-gif-22201520

[steady glacier]

this is the next generation of gaming, watch as we downgrade the lighting while also making it somehow harder to run despite looking 10x worse

[inner tendon]

rtx fucked up

im sure that's why they redone it

but i just cannot understand why they changed the 2019 version

cause that used rtx

[steady glacier]

doubtful

only thing that may have been incompatible with the demo lighting is that light scattering thing

other than that, it works perfect with RTX

[inner tendon]

na-ah

you don't get it

they redone the lighting because of rtx

to look good

better for them

[steady glacier]

bruh that doesn't make sense though

[inner tendon]

not because it didn't worked

[steady glacier]

demo lighting looks great with RTX, way better than vanilla lighting with RTX

[inner tendon]

it does, rtx makes lights shine

[timid hemlock]

The chromatic aberation is a tad much atm and night is a bit well dark. Just figured I should let you know (you prob are). also the rain is extremly visible (white raindrops all over).

[steady glacier]

the CA is how it was in the demo

and rain yeah that'll be fixed

[timid hemlock]

yikes

then CA was a bit to intense in the demo 😛

[steady glacier]

looks way better at 4k, which I think is what the demo was running at

[timid hemlock]

ah

[steady glacier]

I'd just say, turn it off

[inner tendon]

it was 4k with dual 1080s

[steady glacier]

yeah

CA at 4k looks a lot clearer and way more like the demo

at 1080p it looks too blurry

and over the top

because it wasn't designed for 1080p

it is indeed very strong at 1080p

[timid hemlock]

ye, I am playing at 1440p and its a tad much. shame really, as it does look good

[steady glacier]

Hmm, may be able to be tweaked for 1080p as like an optional version

they probably would tweak it in the main mod, but it's trying to replicate the demo as close as possible

so

🤷‍♂️

[sharp bone]

Next Youtube title right there lmfao

[steady glacier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9g3z8z3KXs

[inner tendon]

😂

[sharp bone]

yup I saw that earlier lol

[steady glacier]

this trend of making everything into UE5 has gone too far

I've seen so many shit videos of tech demos using store bought assets very poorly remaking games

in UE5

[sharp bone]

Thats console people for you. Not to sound like an elitist cause I grew up on the consoles in the 90s and early 2000s and have my ps5 for well what is timed exclusives now which I dont mind and actually thank god lol. But yeah they hear a new term that they have no idea wth it means and they go crazy and run with it like a dog with a new toy. And all the other dogs run after it also. Wondering what is this new thing? Must be good if he is running with it. Best way to sum up some morons on Youtube lol

[steady glacier]

Yeah fr lmao

It'll die out once some real UE5 games release and people realize it's just a very powerful engine rather than some shitty demo maker

[sharp bone]

Also Pc people just know better. Cause yeah have to be somewhat knowledgeable in the first place lol

[sharp bone]

yup

[steady glacier]

True, not trying to be elitist but some console players act like they know everything about anything tech

when in reality consoles are very limiting

[sharp bone]

Yeah

[timid hemlock]

I am assuming that a lot of correcting of shadows/gamma etc are still being worked on, but figured I would showcase this. Interiors can be still be a bit too dark. Especially night time (interior and exterior).

[inner tendon]

yooo

somebody test out the limo scene with dex

that would be a very great comparison

[steady glacier]

Yeah it's still heavily wip, tons of big changes are made every single day

[inner tendon]

facts

[steady glacier]

also newest really good build isn't uploaded rn

[timid hemlock]

ye I know just figured I would give my 2 cents. The current is way better than the days old build tho (duh..)

[steady glacier]

Haha yeah no worries man, I just don't want you to waste too much time testing shit that has already been changed

That's my job

[sharp bone]

About as good as I can get it

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N6KkFAiFDVP7TX9DiNcF-ENH8adMgV9q/view?usp=sharing

[steady glacier]

damn that looks exactly like demo

[random owl]

Scrumptious 🤝

[steady glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/positively-scrumptious-snail-eat-eating-spongebob-gif-19810305

[sharp bone]

Thank you. It took so much cause each texture would react different in different areas and Lighting etc. And had to wait 20 mins or so each time for WolvenKit to pack.

I think its pretty much final. Unless someone can find for me the tire track decals that are super hidden somewhere. I found dirt and oil stains and everything but the tire marks.

[steady glacier]

It's very good skater, sorry wolvenkit takes so much time

And yeah, I'll let you know if I find any issues

[sharp bone]

Ok thank you

[steady glacier]

once R18 is in a more complete state, I'll do a full playthrough with your roads

so I'll see

[random owl]

😂😂😂🤝@ positively scrumptious

[sharp bone]

Speaking of problems. Forgot I wanted to post this. Found an exposure problem with the No Tell Motel. Latest update by Null. Havent tried with L3X4R's build

[steady glacier]

yeah the most recent build is outdated

check when l3xar uploads his

and see if it's fixed

[sharp bone]

Yup will do

I also messed with stuff like Gravel textures and made them more dark and noticeable like in the first shot I put earlier. I think its a nice touch how you can see them now built up against the curb and paths leaving parking lots and stuff.

Also messed with some sand and dirt stuff but havent left Watson yet to see how it is. Ill do that later.

[steady glacier]

nice, not sure if they show any dirt in demo though

[sharp bone]

Should just be the edge of road stuff that got tweaked

[inner tendon]

can somebody tell me why my quest tracker doesn't go up like for skater? To the top right

everything is the latest

using lhud+e3 hud

[dreamy arrow]

unrelated but if you have the blue_subtitles and blue_dialogs archives then delete them, they are not needed anymore and make stuff red instead

[steady glacier]

yo spicy, when the 2018 inventory droppin?

[dreamy arrow]

thats character creator right?

that thing is split into 5 or 6 individual fucking inkwidgets

[steady glacier]

oh shit I didn't even realize yeah it is cc

do you plan on remaking like literally every aspect of the ui including that though?

at some point

just genuinely curious

[dreamy arrow]

depends if i have any sanity left

[steady glacier]

no modder has any of that left, you're fooling yourself if you think otherwise

[inner tendon]

actually, blue subs work for me

[steady glacier]

bro that isn't demo accurate

update the hud

[dreamy arrow]

i knew i should have said to remove those 2

on nexus

[steady glacier]

clearly

[dreamy arrow]

those 2 archives were a bandaid fix

[steady glacier]

new color goes hard though, good job spicy

[inner tendon]

but i need the blue subs

[dreamy arrow]

they are blue

as i said

[inner tendon]

for me, it's grey

[dreamy arrow]

whatever

[steady glacier]

solution is to disable subs

clearly

[inner tendon]

solution is to have a non modded sub

clearly

[steady glacier]

sub user

🤓

[inner tendon]

SUB

But fr

cp has nice looking subs

one of the best

[steady glacier]

yeah but I don't wanna turn the game into a book

to me they are just distracting

[inner tendon]

who said that i read them?

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750

[steady glacier]

lmfao

for me it's hard not to

considering they become the focal point every time they change

[inner tendon]

sit closer

or

sit further

[steady glacier]

or just don't use subs

[inner tendon]

S-U-B-S

[steady glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/midnight-club-cry-about-it-mc3-midnight-club3-dub-edition-gif-25609091

https://tenor.com/view/midnight-club-mnc-gif-22660804

[inner tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/haters-gonna-hate-gif-20132107

[steady glacier]

this is like the coolest shit ever, more games need this

NCPD pulls you over and immediately opens fire

[undone grove]

I don't see any point in changing the sun position, cause GI is prebaked and you can't redo it again

Overwise it'll look weird in a lot of areas

RT lighting can help, but still

[lofty thistle]

No

you can change sun position

[undone grove]

Huh?

I know

[lofty thistle]

latitude parameters

[undone grove]

I'm talking about GI

[lofty thistle]

I guess you are kinda right

the game looks weird at different sun positions

[steady glacier]

well if anyone can do it properly, L3X4R and you can

it'll prob just take a lot of tweaking

like anything

[lofty thistle]

no

[undone grove]

I'm curious what "RT override mode" will provide... There is a chance that lighting with this mode will be fully dynamic without pre-baked GI clusters

[lofty thistle]

you’d need to recalculate GI

[lofty thistle]

exactly

i’ve seen nothing from it

also I think the idea of DLSS 3 sucks in the first place

[undone grove]

Yep

[lofty thistle]

just use some stable diffusion ass stuff to make the supersampling even better

[steady glacier]

honestly sun pos isn't the end of the world, the main thing is just getting the general look as close as possible, sun pos is really only good for taking comparison pics and making tweaks based on that

imo

[lofty thistle]

R19 looks perfect, though, and that uses different latitude

[steady glacier]

pretty sure lexar was fiddling with it earlier and said he spent like 10 hours getting it right

so idk

something to test

[lofty thistle]

wish we had that live env mod

[acoustic sandal]

@lofty thistle look at this, it might help with clouds and sun base\materials\beyondblackwall_sky_raymarch.mt

[steady glacier]

ok so

R13 when?

[random owl]

🤣😆@R13 when

[acoustic sandal]

Maybe this for sun?

[steady glacier]

@sharp bone honestly the road marks seem realistic in the game, just keep them

it'd make sense considering NC is a massive city

[sharp bone]

True and they arent on every street so yeah.

[steady glacier]

yeah for sure

[acoustic sandal]

Discovered how to change the color of water! Now I can make it the same color as the demo lol

[timid hemlock]

Has the build with better shadows/darkness been uploaded yet?

[sharp bone]

Awesome. What is the color in the demo actually?

Unfortunatley @acoustic sandal It doesnt work. But I have an idea to try.

[acoustic sandal]

Added two new original 2018 variables to the environment

[sharp bone]

Nice

[steady glacier]

That made the signs and neon pop even more just like the demo

[sharp bone]

It should do it automatically since you have the map disabled but if not its ok. Download the mod Huditor from Nexus and you can rearrange the Hud elements yourself to your liking. Also download the patch thats an older file in the mod page for Spicy's hud.

[steady glacier]

if you check the github it'll tell you when it was updated and what the changes were

[acoustic sandal]

Know what would be cool? lock the visual of the environment from 17:00 for all other times until 16:00

[sharp bone]

That what I was thinking. But have no clue how that would work

[acoustic sandal]

We can try our luck on the env or study the time

base\gameplay\game_time.curveset

[sharp bone]

hmmm that would be sweet and could also help my population mod since density is adaptive to time of day as well

I have got to run and do something real quick. Ill be back and I think I have an idea what to do with the clouds.

[sharp bone]

What time are you trying to lock in. Around 5pm?

[gray glacier]

Guys I found the hidden E3 Flying Cop Car I think.

In the E3 Content located on base/vehicles

I looked into the ent file

And the mesh for it seems to be deleted

I'm not sure if it's that

I am talking about this car maybe

[sharp bone]

Hmm interesting. But the whole texture is gone? Just the path is left?

[gray glacier]

The mesh

Is gone

[sharp bone]

Ahh ok

Hmm

[gray glacier]

I'm currently looking foward to it

And trying to help restore this masterpiece maybe if it's possible enough

But for the mesh

I'll have to recreate it

Or dig deeper

[sharp bone]

If you can that would be incredible.

[gray glacier]

Yuuup

[sharp bone]

Been finishing small things here for the most part. But everything has been coming out great

[gray glacier]

Ikr

Also I think I found the taxi that was unused from the E3 2018 trailer

[sick sable]

You mean the combat cab?

[steady glacier]

If the police overhaul adds dynamic maxtac deployments from AV's, you guys may be able to restore AV's

with that flyable vehicle overhaul thing

bit of a reach

but maybe

[gray glacier]

There's proof that they deleted the flying cop car from the teaser trailer

[steady glacier]

that thing was sick as fuck

[steady glacier]

dunno if it's lore accurate though

plus it looks more like a heli

than a car

[gray glacier]

Model mesh (Gone)

[steady glacier]

damn

[gray glacier]

The mesh was supposed to be in the Police_av folder

[sick sable]

Do the advertisements from the 2018 demo show up or no?

[gray glacier]

That's what I'm looking foward

Rn

I also see the Zodiac Boat

[sick sable]

?

Zodiac boat?

[sharp bone]

The mesh has no properties once so ever?

[gray glacier]

That's what I'm also researching

[sharp bone]

Would have to be a complete custom mesh if thats the case

[gray glacier]

Cuz this is the first time I'm digging into the E3 stuff

And also first time modding

[sharp bone]

Yeah there is some good stuff in there and same

Well not first but im not as experienced as others

[gray glacier]

Same

Zodiac boat does have a mesh tho

Basically an inflatable boat

3 meshes check

But this

Aaaand they put the av_police to the quest folder

It was supposed to be a main police vehicle

Aaand also there is that one folder that says To_be_removed

Most content from the E3 Demo

[lofty thistle]

see if you can find any .effect files

or .mt

[steady glacier]

v male naked

man_child

[inner tendon]

why soooo many e3 trailer files?

bruuuh

[gray glacier]

There is one .effect file is johnny_glitch_e3

[steady glacier]

the man_child one is my fav

[inner tendon]

i want to open them soo badly

to see them what are those

[gray glacier]

This is what man_child looks like

[lofty thistle]

HAHHAHAHA

[inner tendon]

this was the kid in the trailer

WTF

[lofty thistle]

implant them young

oh it’s a headset lol

[lofty thistle]

yup

[gray glacier]

[steady glacier]

the 30 year old manlet with a nintendo switch strapped to his face, tuned to reddit

man_child

✅

[lofty thistle]

show us naked_v

[inner tendon]

bruh @steady glacier

i just realised

after YEARS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X2kIfS6fb8&ab_channel=Cyberpunk2077

go to 1:29

focus on that spot

and watch the vid

it's in the middle of the screen

[gray glacier]

[inner tendon]

BRUH

even the trailed had lod poppins

fog/volumetrics/lod issue

0:54

bruh

why did everyone ignore these?

it was there

all along

these were the hints

of what happened / what's to come

[gray glacier]

Lemme know you guys wanna see more

[inner tendon]

i want to see those e3 trailer files

there's a lot of em

[gray glacier]

BRUH EVEN slacker_kids are the same as man_child

[inner tendon]

[gray glacier]

This is how lover_ma.ent looks like

[steady glacier]

clearly this demo was not rushed or a waste of time

[gray glacier]

Dude! NO FUCKING WAY!!!

Asian_ma and lover_ma looks the same!

Diner_wa and Asian_wa have no model mesh

[steady glacier]

lover asia ma

deez ma

I love how these files have like no real structure or organization within file names

again, clearly this wasn't rushed

[inner tendon]

https://youtu.be/FW7yY_UymU0?t=1164 @steady glacier

[gray glacier]

E3_trailer_ma wa mf and mb have no model mesh at all

[inner tendon]

when i first heard that gay voice in the retail when the av came i literally facepalmed

your thoughts?

[gray glacier]

I had a blank reaction

[inner tendon]

what does blank mean?

[gray glacier]

No reaction

[inner tendon]

hmm

understandable

[gray glacier]

Dude. 3 E3 folders on the open_world and community folders

[inner tendon]

what if cdrp left these intentionally?

[inner tendon]

like for modders?

[steady glacier]

retail has better detail and assets but way worse lighting

✅

[inner tendon]

in the demo ? yeah

in the trailer?

fuck no

heck, if they would pump out a game with those graphics i would give it a 10/10 today

just look at the faces

[gray glacier]

This is how bouncer.ent looks like

[inner tendon]

AHAHHAHAHA

what are those legs?

[steady glacier]

?

[gray glacier]

His legs are like a stick

[steady glacier]

the demo has really shitty assets and a ton of placeholders

retail looks way better

on that front

[inner tendon]

I'm talking about the trailer

[steady glacier]

which trailer

[inner tendon]

e3

[steady glacier]

the cgi one?

yeah no shit

[inner tendon]

no

the 2018

one

with v and quadra

[gray glacier]

Community_templates folder

And for E3 2019

[sharp bone]

Yeah there is alot of e3 stuff just hidden away

[steady glacier]

cgi one

yeah

[inner tendon]

that's not cgi

that's ingame

[steady glacier]

it definitely isn't playable either way

and the assets in the trailer were created for it

[inner tendon]

it was in engine but with better assets

[steady glacier]

so it may as well be cgi

I mean it was basically just an in engine cgi trailer

but yeah it looks incredible

[gray glacier]

Found a demo_2017

[inner tendon]

[sharp bone]

It was an artificial enviroment basically built just for the demo. Not the actual open world of the final game

Demo.env?

[gray glacier]

Ahh shit

[sharp bone]

hmm

Im going to look at that

[steady glacier]

2017 demo

holy shit

R17

[gray glacier]

E3 2018 Weather

[steady glacier]

R15

[steady glacier]

damnnn

[steady glacier]

Can you figure out anything about light scattering?

[sharp bone]

It has nothing

[gray glacier]

Expand it

Where it says world environment definition

[steady glacier]

light scattering, we need it, from the 2018 demo, it's the thing that makes sun look really pretty and scatter against hair and clothes and shit

but we dunno how to implement it

or how it works

[gray glacier]

Looking foward to it

[steady glacier]

well if you can figure anything out about it

in the files

[sharp bone]

ahh ok it does

[steady glacier]

cause rn we are relying on a response from CDPR

[gray glacier]

It's scatterlight.ies

[inner tendon]

the 2018 demo is there, i feel it

it's like a fcking lego

[steady glacier]

yes, but the real question is, how does it work, and how can it be implemented?

[gray glacier]

Has 127 samples

And how can it be implemented?

That's also my question

[steady glacier]

exactly

that will be key to replicating the perfect look

[gray glacier]

Ok so samples, are they editable? Yes

[steady glacier]

hmmm

[gray glacier]

So my guess is to edit the samples

And figure out what's using the file

[sharp bone]

see if you can find e3 bk2 files

Videos

See if we can find those scenes they cut

[sharp bone]

@acoustic sandal What do u think

[steady glacier]

we need dem pretty lightrays boi

[sharp bone]

Aww damn thats it.Yeah I saw that one earlier

[gray glacier]

Aww hell

There's only 4 bk2s

[sharp bone]

Maybe someday we can find them. I combed over scene data before and didnt see any

[sharp bone]

Yeah

If the video existed could play it after V goes to sleep at the start of the game. And then change her spawn point for after the video ends and atleast restore that.

[gray glacier]

Guys

There is also medium scatter

[sharp bone]

Ahh so original light settings then before rtx

There you go @steady glacier You were correct

[gray glacier]

Guys wanna see more E3 files?

[sharp bone]

Sure you are finding more then ive found

[gray glacier]

The files I've highlighted are also E3 files

All these scenerids are E3 files

Also this

Also where it says E3_prototype_mask

[steady glacier]

hmm

[steady glacier]

I wouldnt mind no RTX if it looks as good as it did in demo

[sharp bone]

same

[sharp bone]

is this better for the clouds @acoustic sandal

[sharp bone]

@acoustic sandal Instead of stretching the texture I left half of the Transparent Cloud texture uncolored and that is what stretched the clouds wider.

[sharp bone]

Actually stretching the textures made then into giant circles prob cause of not matching defintions

[gray glacier]

Aaaand that's all the E3 files I can find

Shit was never easy but I did it

For yall

[sharp bone]

Thanks very interesting stuff

[gray glacier]

Happy modding maybe

[sharp bone]

Hopefully. We will see

[gray glacier]

Phew

Also what if I told you the AI is also editable

[sharp bone]

Either way I greatly Appreciate it and will save these to look up later if i want to try and mess with something

[gray glacier]

You can edit their reactions

Their inventory

[sharp bone]

I figured cause they have tweaked them a little both mods and cdpr.

Oh Inventory nice

[gray glacier]

And make some npcs gangers

Or cyberpsychos

[sharp bone]

hmm

[gray glacier]

Or make the NPCs fearless

So if you hit them

They attacc

[lofty thistle]

@acoustic sandal

weekend, woohoo

can you send over your 2018 stuff?

gonna add to github repo

doesn't matter if it's finished, I just wanna play with it too lmao

[acoustic sandal]

Clouds is very very closer demo

[lofty thistle]

@sharp bone

OMG

[sharp bone]

ok Glad you all like. Ill Pack it and post it here

[acoustic sandal]

When I get back from the doctor, I'll take a closer look at the pictures.

[sharp bone]

Ok cool

The clouds only work with R18 along with your alls values. Normal game my other cloud mod is needed to enhance the clouds

[sharp bone]

Same lol

Actually found the 2020 lut from the first year the game came out. Its still got the green crap but colors arent all horribly sharp.

[steady glacier]

I think we sorta cracked scattering

a little

@gray glacier knows the detes

[sharp bone]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hGjQd_jTjj_1N8k24BIex-Hm925ecAfC/view?usp=sharing

[lofty thistle]

I'm just wating for @acoustic sandal to upload his version

[sharp bone]

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-cat-cute-kitty-begging-gif-11691445

[lofty thistle]

think he's at the doctor's right now

[sharp bone]

Yeah he said he will be back in a bit

[coarse sable]

What's the obstacle with scattering, specifically? Can't reinsert the value, something like that?

[steady glacier]

Idk I think they are just unaware of how it works

or how to get it working on modern build

it will be incompatible with RTX

[coarse sable]

I crammed it back in, set it to something really high, and well, it does something alright

[random owl]

Glad to know that it's not RTX compatible ahead of time.

[lofty thistle]

I don't think that's right

[lofty thistle]

WHAT

HOW

SIGJSKHJ,HJDFGKHFGS

]UJHJDFOYHKEFGP;LHUJGFDOHBLS

J KOHIFHKGGF;PUJ

WHAT?

@steady glacier

[steady glacier]

idk lmao

[lofty thistle]

he

just set scattering

you're supposed to be excited

[steady glacier]

e,

ez

[coarse sable]

Maybe. Need to make sure this isn't some bug that's somehow unrelated. Gonna set it back to 0.

[lofty thistle]

how

okay

please do

[steady glacier]

he cracked the code

[lofty thistle]

in the simplest way possible

let us see ther esults

[coarse sable]

Uh, well, seems it isn't that simple. Setting it back to 0, or anything for that matter, now crashes the game. Have to figure out why.

[lofty thistle]

well

just tell me how you did it

[steady glacier]

he failed the code

[lofty thistle]

no he didn't

the game is just too stubborn to accept the code

[steady glacier]

ik im just kidding

[lofty thistle]

CDPR will not let us make E3 before they release "SUPER E3 MODE OVERHAUL E3 2018 " dlc

[steady glacier]

I think they'd just rather forget about the e3 shit

tbh

[coarse sable]

I used 010 Editor, and alphaZomega scripts. I inserted a new string, 'scattering', duplicated absorption, changed the duplicate to use scattering, and set a value high enough to ensure I'd see changes, which was 10. Booted up the game, and took that screenshot.

It of course didn't look like that before I inserted the value.

[steady glacier]

well, we are getting somewhere

interesting solution

[lofty thistle]

how 2 insert string

[coarse sable]

You have 010 and those scripts?

[lofty thistle]

yes