Fix Bot Economy

[short patrol]

I've been thinking about this for a while, and I've come up with this solution. Maybe some people won't like it, but are there any other ways to fix it?

Current Problems:

• Shards price - 2.300 Credits Ea (+130% compared to a year ago): Very high demand, Very limited supply.
• Too many rare shiny pokémon (L/M/UB) are being generated from crates, especially during crate buffs.
• Credits constantly enter the economy, but they rarely leave it. Instead, they just move between players through trades, market, gambling etc.

Negative Impacts:

• The high price of shards makes crate openings less accessible for most players and increases speculation. Also buying crates or items with shards outside of buff events is no longer worthwhile, since shards cost more than double and the rewards are still the same as before.
• The excessive generation of rare shiny pokémon decreases their rarity and market value over time.
• Credits continuously circulating without leaving the economy leads to inflation, further driving up the prices of shards, pokémon and other items.
• Overall, the game economy becomes unstable, making it harder for both new and existing players to progress fairly.

Goals:

• Stabilize the price of shards, making them more accessible and reducing speculation.
• Preserve the rarity and market value of rare shiny pokémon.
• Create a healthier game economy by providing ways for credits to leave circulation and preventing inflation.

Proposals:

• Remove crate buff events or greatly limit them.
• Introduce a shop where players can buy shards with credits (e.g., ~1100 per shard) to stabilize their price.

Expected Results:

• Shard prices are currently controlled by admins/devs due to the extreme inflation in the game, the price will stabilize around a fair value (~1000 credits), making crate openings more accessible. Encourages players to spend their shards confidently without having to wait for buff events.
  Once shard prices are stabilized, we can consider making the shop temporary or limited-time, like an event, if needed.
• The rarity of rare shiny pokémon (L/M/UB) will be preserved, making them more valuable and desirable over time, while their market value will stabilize, preventing drastic drops caused by excessive generation during buff events.
• Credits inflation will be reduced, helping stabilize the value of shards, pokémon, and other in-game items.

Impact on Donations:
A shard shop stabilizes shard prices and the game economy, allowing players to enjoy the game and contribute to its support.
Prioritizing a stable and fair game economy benefits players and donations in the long run, rather than focusing solely on increasing short-term contributions.
Donations can still be encouraged through exclusive items, skins, or limited-time perks.
Many players will still choose to acquire shards through donations, as not everyone has enough credits to buy them through the shop, and direct purchases remain a convenient option.
We must also add that currently if someone wants to donate to reach 10 million credits they will only have to donate $40 because of the high shards price (2300c), compared to a year ago which was exactly $100 (1000c). This also discourages the purchase of shiny rares through donations due to inflation: $60 for a shiny legendary would be the equivalent of 15m credits.

Please select or , if you dont agree, explain the reason and if possible other ways to solve the problem.

[dim kiln]

• Impose a limit on how many shards you can buy through the shop each week/month or something.

• Crate buffs could be limited to events.

[pallid flume]

My reasons for no but some I do agree with but ultimately I had more no’s than yes’s

• devs and admins don’t really control the prices of shards that’s players doing
• yes I agree with making buff less good, but again it’s always been a pay thing
• economy will always fluctuate not matter what we do
• markets always full of messed up prices nothing new
• shards will always cost same with astral if it’s free with credits that’s also gonna mess with economy
  Basically no matter what you do there’s always going to be something happing with economy weather they take things out or replace that etc

But I do like the idea just needs more thought

[dim kiln]

It is interesting how you think admins control shards prices when I've never bought for 2k and say to everyone I won't buy for more than 1.2k each also.
The players set the 2k each at the start of buffs because of demand and it stuck.

[dawn ibex]

i agree with you

selling shards for credits then it will be same like credits overflow after few months shards will also overflow

[dim kiln]

Imposing a limit on how many each player can buy in a period will limit that though

[dawn ibex]

and bot dont runs for free it also needs cost

[dim kiln]

But then people use Alts

So it circles around to the fact no matter what is done people find ways around to gain the most for themselves

[dawn ibex]

alts, + ppl will wait for that

if they are getting for free

they will wait and collect it

[wooden condor]

lowk it seems interesting but yah it's just annoying that too many ppl sell for high more and more it was 2k two months ago now it's 2.3/2.4k

I try to sell for less but if everyone sells for higher than me it's annoying and i don't always have shards :(

Just if everyone starts to do like me it would be goated

[dim kiln]

Maybe just do a strike ...
All players stop buying for 2k, don't buy unless they sell for 1.2k each, soon enough the sellers will have to come down or they sell nothing

[short patrol]

dev and admins cant control shards and economy but the reason for this inflation is crate buffs

[pallid flume]

Was answering what you put

[vocal quest]

ig shards count can't be increased but something can be done about preserving rarity of shinies ig

[dawn ibex]

we cant force ppl to

sell it for

[dim kiln]

Ik

[dawn ibex]

1.2K and all

[dim kiln]

Was just a suggestion for buyers

Don't buy unless they sell for that

[dawn ibex]

ig we will do this

[short patrol]

I don't think it's ever happened in 5 years that the shards went above 1.1/1.2k

[pallid flume]

I used to sell for 1k but if you sell lower then you get flippers

[dim kiln]

I'm just saying that if everyone stops buying at 2k + a shard then it will have to come down until people agree to buy and sell for less

[dry seal]

buff catching

[dim kiln]

Flippers are a huge reason inflation happens

[pallid flume]

This would be a fun event

[short patrol]

its not what i meant, i meant price should be imposed temporarily by dev

[cloud thistle]

Holy 67

[dim kiln]

They all buy something for A and expect to sell it for 20%

And it goes round and round

[dawn ibex]

this will also not happen if a user wants urgent shard ofc he/she will buy it for any price

[dim kiln]

That's why it's a price strike, it's a game, no one's desperate for anything

[dawn ibex]

we cant do anything about that

[short patrol]

exactly, there will be always someone buying shards even if u tell them not to do it

[dim kiln]

It's just a mindset, if everyone says no I'm not paying more than 1.2k a shard then the sellers have to budge

[pallid flume]

How would you like us to control that honestly

[dim kiln]

Otherwise they sell nothing

[short patrol]

i didnt mean admins like u or beefy, i meant something controlled by devs

[dawn ibex]

too rare chance this will happen

[pallid flume]

Ah

[short patrol]

if shop price is 1200 nobody will sell over this price, they will sell their shards for 1000/1100

[dim kiln]

But if they can do that, why would anyone donate

And then if you set a limit on how much you can buy, they will use Alts to get more

[short patrol]

i asked some donors about it too

[dawn ibex]

shards will never come in shop

[short patrol]

for example cookies said he prefer credits over shards

[dim kiln]

Because he wants to stay richest in the bot

[dawn ibex]

ppl already get shards from raids, rtd, daily tasks, etc

[dim kiln]

There's a fair few ways to get free shards yeah

Especially during Adv

[dawn ibex]

cuz of lb

[short patrol]

donors would donate for skins, limited time perks, exclusive stuff

not only shards

[dawn ibex]

its too rare

mostly shards gets sell

[short patrol]

also where would they get bal to buy shards in the shop

currently they buy shards through dono, sell them and get credits

[dim kiln]

There's lots of ways to earn bal

There is something that needs doing I think yeah, but I don't think shards are ever coming to the shop

[short patrol]

never seen someone like anomaly or soren making bal in other ways

[dim kiln]

Because it's their preferred way

It's easy for them

[short patrol]

thats what im saying, donation is easier for them

[dim kiln]

But if you don't donate then there's plenty of ways to earn

Just

Slower

[vocal quest]

tbh when comparing real life economy with this .. when farmer cultivate something, he is the originator but he doesn't fix the prices , the things that happen is the demand and wholesaler/retailer decides the prices ..so the economy should decide ..just the thing we can do is restrict the count of rares and shinies and not fix price of shards ourselves in credits imo

[dim kiln]

That's what I'm saying, the players openly pay 2k + a shard

If they stop the price comes down

[short patrol]

I might agree, if the economy wasn't highly influenced by crate buffs

[dawn ibex]

in crate buff also not all gets laggy. mythi, Ub shiny

its too rare still

normal shiny are still gets without any buff

[short patrol]

if they open 5 ofc many wont get it

[dim kiln]

Yeah but the frequency of them means no ones using shards outside of the buffs

Which is why the price holds

[short patrol]

ive literally seen blade getting 10+ in 1 minute

[dawn ibex]

ahh still its upto ppl we cant force them to use somewhere else

[dim kiln]

Ik

[short patrol]

and I'm sorry but no one can convince me that it was luck, it was a code side error that was fixed after 1 minute

[dawn ibex]

yeah agree but think 100ppl opening crates but not 100pl gets shiny rares from 100 mostly 2-3 gets rares

[short patrol]

we can check how many crates were opened during last buff and how many shiny rares they got

to understand how much the spawn rate is

[dim kiln]

Then it's a case of imposing a limit on the number of rares possible per 100 crates during a buff or something.
That limits it

[short patrol]

i prolly missed some messages above, so what would be the solution for shards?

[dim kiln]

Like 2 / 100 max possible... Not guaranteed

[short patrol]

the problem during buff is only that there are too many shiny rares, just this

[dim kiln]

Shards prices are controlled by the players, if they're willing to pay more they will continue to sell for more

Start a union with the players 😂

[short patrol]

so I don't have to make anyone buy them

ok

[dim kiln]

First act is don't buy it they're above 1.5k each

[short patrol]

i used to sell for 1k when they were 1.5

but it was useless 😂

there is always someone who can't live without them

[dim kiln]

People need real life experience 😂

[short patrol]

id say removing or limiting buffs would be a great start

coz what they do rn is holding shards for a month and buying crates during buff

[short patrol]

this was good too but from what I understand they don't want shards in the shop

[dim kiln]

Issue with that though is even with limits people make Alts to get more

So it's pointless

Limiting the buffs somewhat would be helpful and perhaps tweaking the output

[short patrol]

I don't know if you remember when you added profile characters to make rich people spend their credits, could there be something else to do it?

I think no one bought the character except me and beefy

[dim kiln]

8 people have it

[short patrol]

8?

who

[dim kiln]

Yeah

[dawn ibex]

that character was for subscription users only

[dim kiln]

Or with 3m

[dawn ibex]

mostly

[dim kiln]

Or some ag

[short patrol]

why was it added for everyone?

[dawn ibex]

so they can buy it it they want to as perm

in subscription it if its expire

then the charactre is gone

[short patrol]

ic

@dawn ibex is this right tho?
"currently if someone wants to donate to reach 10 million credits they will only have to donate $40 because of the high shards price (2300c), compared to a year ago which was exactly $100 (1000c). This also discourages the purchase of shiny rares through donations due to inflation: $60 for a shiny legendary would be the equivalent of 15m credits"

[short patrol]

if we add 30% discount it will be only 28 dollars for 10m credits 😅

[dawn ibex]

its upto them

and about pokemons if they pay real money for pokemon why they will sell it for just cr

[short patrol]

for example if they need a shiny necrozma, they will buy $40 dollars of shards, sell them for 10m and find one

instead of paying 60

[short patrol]

necrozma is like 6m so if they pay 10 people will surely sell

[ornate nexus]

I know many would hate my honest suggestion but I think its not the price rate of shards thats the problem, raising the rate of shards would actually solve the price of shinies and such.

Instead, make an effort to raise the price of redeems to 40k.
** reduce the spawn rate of shiny legendary, shiny shadow legendary, and rate of high level of legendary monster from deluxe crates. **
Reduce crate buff event but keep that event by 5 month once so that players would still buy shards.

Consider adding shiny mons from normal pokemon through raids.

Reduce higher IV rewards from raid more.

That would keep the shard price lower automatically, since deluxe crate are mostly from donators.

Increase chance from gold crates and diamond crates.
(that would gives more votes and activeness for your server)

Able to breed shiny mons by lower chance at 1%.through shards or something

That would encourage player to actually play more and browse more possibilities,
Stay fair even though donators would still donate for deluxe crate and other buffs.

[short patrol]

the only thing that worries me is the buff events, we can also reduce the selling price of the shards without having a shard shop, but if in 5 months there is a buff again the price goes up again

[ornate nexus]

That would keep the server active

At the same time shard would be fairly useless for rare shinies and legendaries unless the donator overpay for 5month

[short patrol]

yes but let's say that in a month we manage to bring them from 2.3k to 1.5k, and in a month there is a new crate buff, obviously people will bring them back to 2.3k or more

so it was useless

[ornate nexus]

The reason why shards are costly atm are because of the fact that shinies are easier to obtain then donating for 60$.
If u reduce the buff and deluxe crate rate of shinies, shard price wouldn't matter anymore

[short patrol]

the main problem are buffs obv

[ornate nexus]

Exactly! Reduce the buff to twice a year. The prices are rampaging because buffs are once a month.

[dry seal]

no one buys redeems nowadays because shiny hunting a legendary SUCKS

its waywaywaywaywayway cheaper to straight up buy one

[short patrol]

but its still the same problem, they announce a buff and shards price will increase

[ornate nexus]

Exactly. Miss the day redeem were higher. Lets try to increase redeem price to make it useful and find a solution to it

[dry seal]

core problem is still the same, too many shiny rares from crate buffs

[ornate nexus]

Which isnt bad if we can balance the rate and keep server active , donator pays for it, and at the same time raiders and f2p players are able to sell them it.

What we need to do is to balance the rate of shinies and rare ivs, battle state mons

[ornate nexus]

Reduce the deluxe crate rate. Reduce the buff events.

Increase gold crate rate and diamond crate rate which isnt related to deluxe crate.

Let f2p, donators and server activity active by voting and actively participate the bot by still giving chance with breeding items and raid items itself.

Yall forgeting this but at same time you shuld consider donator aswell because that keeps the bot stay alive for all f2p player.

[dawn ibex]

ofc without donators bot will be dead and cuz of that we cant add shards in shop

but yeah will try to do something about crates normal and in buff both

[ornate nexus]

I agree with never add shard at shop. Shard isnt the problem as i mentioned.
We just need to allocate the shard advantage somewhere to bot activities.

[dry seal]

buffs catching

rewards for catching quest SUCK

[short patrol]

yea especially about the crate buff, If they were more limited and nerfed, there would be a way to decrease the price of shards

[short patrol]

they should give shards in catching event instead of redeems

[ornate nexus]

Also might be fun and increase low level legendary price if we have recycle system.

Use 100 monster to get new IV and stats monster.

10 shiny for new stats.

100 UB might get better IV, if bad luck its still gonna be random 20% but it will have chance to get - 10 or 90%
This can reduce overflowing market, people reduces dump or release pokemon and actually increase and make use of useless iv monster, more use of redeem too.

[slender kite]

reduce the buff events

maybe 1 buff event every 3 months, in this way the price of shards will be under control and then people would be encouraged to buy shards more without having the need to wait for buff events

[short patrol]

but also rewards need to be nerfed a bit

too many shiny leggies

[ornate nexus]

I shuld make new suggestions i guess

[dry seal]

nah i meant the catching quests, catch x amount of x type

[short patrol]

maybe for crates buff reduce the rate of shiny rares and increase ivs for non shinies

[dry seal]

the rewards for those SUCK

[short patrol]

ah

[slender kite]

I agree, tho I should say it is still a bit luck dependent

[dry seal]

there’s probably like 10 people who realize how hard it is to actually complete them

js to get 100k

[short patrol]

the only bad thing is that common pokes are not in deluxe crates, otherwise could have made the 90 ivs easier to find during buffs

if u do it only for leggies it would drop their rarity

or it could be like this.
Deluxe Buff:

• shiny rares
• chance of finding common 90 ivs
• increased ivs for non shiny leggies/myths/ubs
• 2x Credits
• 2x Shards
• 2x Redeems

[cloud elm]

Agreed with constant buffs just bring a massive price increase to shards and then people expect the same price to be paid outside of the buffs

[dry seal]

might as well add -10s too

[short patrol]

they were never added in crates

[dry seal]

doesnt mean it cant be a thing

[slender kite]

yeah this is the main problem, I'd never buy shards for 2.2k when buff is not active

tbh regarding the credit overflow situation, we can implement some Credit Sink ideas

[cloud elm]

Reducing the buff frequency will allow shard prices to drops to a steady and fair price

[short patrol]

imagine a newbie trying a deluxe crate for the first time, he pays over 50/55k to get a 60 iv phione 😂

[wooden condor]

also plz do smth on duel reward

it'll help

[slender kite]

makes sense

[cloud elm]

I think with the buffs
Newer players should have a better chance at the rarer stuff and items then the people who have been around longer

[short patrol]

shadow crates are 184k each now, to get a shadow weedle...

[cloud elm]

So they get a higher drop % chance of the rare shinys or -10/+90ivs

[dry seal]

people would js make alts

[short patrol]

yep

also how do u code this

[cloud elm]

It’s would be easy to detect the alts

[ornate nexus]

Whats wrong with that?

[dry seal]

☝️🤓

[short patrol]

ur watching people talking about pokemon economy btw

[dry seal]

L ragebait

[cloud elm]

We are just trying find a way to even out and fix the economy due to the unholy inflation with shards

[slender kite]

I'll just delete messages not relevant to this thread so that we don't change the topic

[cloud elm]

The state the economy is currently is, is massively unfair for newer players

[slender kite]

what about introducing a shard storage fee?

[short patrol]

for example?

[slender kite]

to reduce the massive shard hoarding

[dry seal]

need to buff catching

[cloud elm]

The longer they hold shards the more they get charge for it?

[slender kite]

you're just collecting shards over and over again, waiting for the buff so you should pay credits to store those much shards

[cloud elm]

With a gradual price increase over time?

[wooden condor]

the p!quests atleast😔🙏

[slender kite]

not gradual increase, maybe we can set up some charges at ranges of shards people are storing

[dry seal]

some people save a whole year to do a massive crate opening on their bday

[slender kite]

exactly so this would reduce that thing a bit at least

[cloud elm]

I was thinking an increase just so people can’t pile them into someone who has millions and they can pay the same price over and over until a buff happens

[ornate nexus]

I dont think charges shuld happen. Some people actually pays for shard and probably cant sell

[slender kite]

ok tell me one thing, how difficult is it for free to play players to earn shards

[ornate nexus]

Jst reduce buff events and rates for deluxe.

[dry seal]

yeah i dont think shard storage fee should be a thing

[short patrol]

thats some of the current prices, to give an idea
Deluxe Crate - 57500 Credits
Shadow Crate - 184000 Credits
Redeem - 92000 Credits
Shiny Charm - 115000 Credits
Deluxe Raid Card - 460000 Credits

[dry seal]

not difficult if u raid

[slender kite]

ic

[cloud elm]

Or, could you implement a shard cap for whenever there isn’t a buff active or upcoming?

[slender kite]

Miutato, look at the picture, I agree that buff events should be reduced a lot but there should be a shard storage fee to avoid hoarding of shards because people will just keep waiting for those buff events and keep on gathering shards

[ornate nexus]

I dont think deluxe crate and shadow crate shuld be accessible with credit.
It will reduce the shard price to 100

[dry seal]

he meant whats their worth in creds based on shard prices rn

[short patrol]

the thing is shards are used for other things too, like shiny charm, incense. plus there is a way to bypass this, trade them to someone and get them back

[cloud elm]

That’s higher then most common shiny base prices

[dry seal]

yeah thats why no one opens anymore unless theres a buff

which happens very often

[ornate nexus]

I think as monkei said, shard cap shuld be the best solution for this

I dont think charging with credits as penalty shuld be part of it, considering inactive players aswell

At the same time players could just abuse buying crates and store them even if penalty involves. We need to think of that aswell

[slender kite]

so the main problem is shards

and the massive overflow of credits

and shinies

[ornate nexus]

Hence the best solution is just reduce rate of shinies from deluxe crate
Reduce buff events

Increase gold and diamond crate rate

U cnt buy them with shard

[dry seal]

rate of shinies without buff is bad no?

[ornate nexus]

Not bad tbh

[short patrol]

if u play in a private server and u cant get them from anyone, its pretty hard to get them. only through raid, ranked, crates and adv pass which is not always active.

[ornate nexus]

But reducing would be good

Because 60$ per leggy for p2p

[slender kite]

so one idea could be to increase the shard rewards for free to play players to get them encouraged

[dry seal]

i remember opening like 20k shards worth of deluxes and got maybe 1 shiny in 25 crates

[slender kite]

through some tasks

[dry seal]

no rares

this was pre buffs

[cloud elm]

Would potentially removing the ability to buy shines via donations be a shout

[ornate nexus]

Some would donate ALOT nomatter what to open deluxe crate.

[short patrol]

one thing i noticed is that this bot is almost entirely based on this server, if you play on other servers you earn much less

[short patrol]

for many adv tasks u must be on hq

[ornate nexus]

How do we keep the server active if there are no donation

[slender kite]

this one has it's own ups and downs but I am seeing more downs

and bot needs costs to run

[slender kite]

yeah

[cloud elm]

Still keep the donations for shards and the roles

But remove the ability to donate for commons and uncommons and maybe change the prices for legs myths and UB

[ornate nexus]

What will people do with custom states of shinies and legendaries shinies?

If there are no one to donate

[short patrol]

i think there should be more exclusive stuff for donors

or skins

[cloud elm]

True

I was just throwing ideas out to see what people thought

[ornate nexus]

People are able to pay 1000$ for weird states shinies and Ariz must only eat potatoes everyday if we take that advantage away

[short patrol]

if they can buy an exclusive pokemon they will never sell it for credits so it doesn't affect the economy

[cloud elm]

Yea I have baby Zac shiny and wouldn’t plan on selling it ever

[short patrol]

for example cookies bought the 1/1 mewtwo skin

[cloud elm]

Maybe they could remove the ability to buy custom pokes and skins like that if it ever gets to the point where people will buy em to just sell

[slender kite]

User dependent tbh

[cloud elm]

So far from what I’m reading
Adding a shard cap seems to be a decent idea to restrict the mass hoarding and overflow of shards

[ornate nexus]

I agree

Or make that disgusting trade active again.
25 shard each trade

[cloud elm]

So there’s a shard price per trade?

[vestal crescent]

[ornate nexus]

Yea there were lol

It was super annoying

[vestal crescent]

[ornate nexus]

But on a good side, no one had massive shards unless donators or someone really dedicated
Bad side overflow chats if they allows bot2 command

[feral gorge]

250

[cloud elm]

I think between 25-75 is a good reason depending on trade sizes

[zealous vessel]

buff catching!!

[wooden condor]

Buff dueling rewards is only good option

[keen hinge]

removing the minimum 60% iv from the last shadow buff is a good step ahead

i agree with too many buffs happened in short time, doing it twice in a year in SHORT NOTICE (like 1 day... not 1 week) imo is better so people will have shorter time to try to flip (still doesnt resolve hoarders tho since we cant control other ppl belonging)

[heady sleet]

+1

[short patrol]

i checked but there isnt any daily task that gives shards, at this point let's add them