Leveling keeps changing after prints | Frankly Built's 3D Printing & Cosplay Community | Page 1

lucid igloo May 3, 2025, 11:58 PM

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I've been trying to fix my leveling on Creality ender 3 v3 se and doing the leveling test prints for hours now and I noticed after printing all the leveling I've done resets. The numbers dont change but when I try the paper test I noticed the nozzle is always too close to the bed. Also I checked my z-offset and the number on that was the same as well but when I did the paper test It dug into the paper cuz it was too close (the paper used to move smoothly with slight pressure) Whats the problem here and how do I fix it?

(update + pic ) I finally leveled everything perfectly and the test print was great. So I tried to print again without changing any settings to see if it keeps the quality. All of the print is printed slightly far from the print.
The top one is the latest test I did and the bottom one is just printed now.

kindred lilyBOT May 3, 2025, 11:58 PM

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Hey @lucid igloo, thank you for contributing to this forum.
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keen talon May 4, 2025, 12:02 AM

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Level it before every print, I think it's completely normal

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Leveling will always change, especially when removing the plate

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 5:41 AM

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Unfortunaly thats the wrong advise

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Creality is a pos company.

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The autobedlevel is deactivated in the startscript.

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Basicly since day one they released their first printer with abl

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Its less then 20 letters and most abl issues vanish

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https://youtu.be/uuGQt9-3ISI

YouTube

Chemical Artist 3d

The most asked Topic: Creality Auto Bed Level "Fix"

A very short tutorial on what to do after you installed an Sensor ( CR Touch, Bl Touch, Superpinda Ezabl etc.) and installed the correct firmware on your Creality printer / or have one that came with it but is not working correctly.

I get this question up to 5 times a day so it was time to make a video.

▶ Play video

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Most important part though is to reset the z offset set to 0 before you run a new print

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Not that now with abl on the nozzle is to close @lucid igloo

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Thats the 30994 time now that the issue came up .-. I would expect its common knowledge :/

keen talon May 4, 2025, 6:05 AM

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Which Ender 3 V3 are we talking about?

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Oh I see now, I miss read the number

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 8:05 AM

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No problem. Im only so annoyed by it because 1) it took me 2 Month to figure it out back then (and then it was a suggestion by a different user) and 2) its the Nr 1 support request. Atm i awnserd it 30998 times -.-

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 10:22 AM

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keen talon Which Ender 3 V3 are we talking about?

The funny part is ... they messed it up for the se and ke. Makes me assume they just heard oh klipper good and copy pasted something

lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 10:44 AM

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@foggy nacelle I'm following your tutorial rn. U said "if there is no g29 OR m420 s1" I have m420 s1 tho should I not change anything?

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Also sorry to make u answer this problem for the 99999th time. I'm new to 3d printing and didn't know what the issue was exactly. I tried searching for solutions and most of em didn't work never saw this solution while researching

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 10:51 AM

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No problem. Its just you would expect it to show up on google 😄

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So the problem with just M420 S1 is that it saves a mesh to slot 1

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If you didnt rum g29 before

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Youll save a empty mesh

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And nothing happens

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What you can try is adding G29 and run a new gcode once

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After that a viable mesh should be saved and you can replace g29 and M420 S1 just with M420 L1 which should activate bed level and load the mesh saved as S1

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@lucid igloo

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If thats not working id suggest to always use g29 and M420 S1. Yes it takes a few mins but its better then one faild print after another

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You could also try making a custom gcode file which is usally just a .txt fiöe

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Like lets call it Mmm Make me Mesh

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It would be as basic version with no heated bed just be:

G28 ; Home all Axis
G29 ; run bed level
M420 S1 ; save Mesh to Slot 1
M300 S440 P200 ; Make beep tone when done.

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i wrote the file and see if it works on my printer

lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 11:07 AM

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Did I add it to the right place?

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Btw I might have not understood it correctly but is this related to the calibration setting before u print?

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There's an option that says calibration on/off before every print

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I heard it does a quick auto bed leveling before the print

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Isn't this the same thing?

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 11:09 AM

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phew good question. i cant remember by heart. maybe thats for the auto z offset or both you can try it

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i personaly rather have it in my gcode

lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 11:10 AM

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I see

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Cuz if its related to that

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I did try printing with calibration on and it still failed

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But maybe I did something wrong that time idk

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Lemme use this gcode and try leveling test again

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 11:13 AM

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lucid igloo I did try printing with calibration on and it still failed

read up on it. it should probe the bed when its on. but as stupid as it sounds .. it could be that the routine does not incluse m420 s1 or m500 the level data is directly going into the trash. thats what my cr10s pro v1 and v2 did.

lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 11:19 AM

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I see

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I started the test print now

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Lets see what happens

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Its literally doing the calibration thing now without turning it on before the print settings

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 11:22 AM

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so cold bed and nozzle?

lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 11:24 AM

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Wdym?

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 11:24 AM

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that its leveling with a not at print temp nozzle and bed

lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 11:24 AM

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Yea I think

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It did the calibration now the bed is almost heated up fully

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So I guess it did it before heating up

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Welp

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 11:32 AM

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did you adjust the z offset or is that with their auto z offset

lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 11:39 AM

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Oh shi I forgot about that 💀

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I had to put it to 0 right?

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 11:45 AM

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and then adjust it from there correct

lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 11:49 AM

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Okay lemme try the test print now

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 11:50 AM

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good luck. im away now. keep posting here so i can read up 🙂

lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 11:53 AM

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Okayy thankss

lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 1:36 PM

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So I tried to print with 0 z offset, it was terrible nothing sticked on to the bed. So I lowered the offset to something around -1.00 (i did it with the paper test) then did the test print again. This time it was too close to bed. So naturally I raised the z offset a little bit and changed the leveling on some of the areas a little and tried to print again and this is the result... Now I'm back to square one 💀 idk what I did wrong

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 2:06 PM

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Whats your first layer height in the slicer? Its often .3 mm and thats the max value you get with a .4 nozzle

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@lucid igloo

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Also try making the bed level test only 210 by 210. You might hit the physical end.

lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 2:16 PM

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lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 2:17 PM

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foggy nacelle Also try making the bed level test only 210 by 210. You might hit the physical e...

It didn't but I'll make it smaller anyways

lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 2:19 PM

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foggy nacelle Whats your first layer height in the slicer? Its often .3 mm and thats the max v...

Btw it was close to being good, why would it change so drastically after changing a few settings a little bit

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 2:33 PM

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lucid igloo

Not first layer height

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 2:34 PM

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lucid igloo Btw it was close to being good, why would it change so drastically after changin...

Repeatability is not crealitys strength

foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 2:35 PM

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lucid igloo

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Click there select all or expert and then use the search function:)

lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 2:39 PM

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foggy nacelle Repeatability is not crealitys strength

I've been using it since august and usually the prints were pretty good for without changing anything. Then like 4 months later this problem happened and I couldn't get to fixing it due to ny classes. I havent been able to print for a while now

lucid igloo May 4, 2025, 2:59 PM

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Oh wait u meant this?

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foggy nacelle May 4, 2025, 3:07 PM

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try .2 layerheight

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sofar i have seen only 2 former enders that were able to print below .2 reliably

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also the min movment in z is usally .04mm

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so if your layer divided by that is no even number there can be issues with layers

lucid igloo May 7, 2025, 6:22 PM

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I will try it this weekend

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My classes are keeping me busy 💀

lucid igloo May 24, 2025, 6:54 PM

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Hellow I'm back again

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My finals keeping me busy

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Anyways

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I did all that nothing changes also I noticed that the top part of the bed is sticking too much to the bed and the bottom part is not even sticking at all

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I tried editing the leveling but whatever I do it doesn't change

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🤷‍♀️

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Dunno whats wrong

foggy nacelle May 24, 2025, 9:50 PM

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Hmm

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If you poke the hotend does it move? (When its cold)

lucid igloo May 25, 2025, 4:53 AM

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U mean the nozzle?

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Lemme check

lucid igloo May 25, 2025, 5:13 AM

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Nope it doesnt move

lucid igloo May 25, 2025, 8:31 AM

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Also I realized when I edit the leveling there's something weird going on like

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When I go to the editing screen the first time the left bottom corner is slightly far from the bed. So I put a paper and do the pressure test and level it nicely but weirdly I gotta lower the number a lot. Then when its leveled nicely I stop. After I check the same area its now too close to the bed it grabs the paper. Then I move it up slightly. I check again later and its okay this time. I test print. Its not fixed. I go back to editing. Same thing happens

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I feel like the numbers on the editing dont match up

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I tried leveling everyting until all of them are green

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Prints terrible

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I try leveling with paper test even if the editing screen shows blues and yellows

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Still prints terrible

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I feel like I'm going crazy 💀 nothing works

lucid igloo May 25, 2025, 8:58 AM

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Another thing I noticed

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When fixing the blue colored areas they always go green when its 0.49 or -0.49. Is that normal?

foggy nacelle May 25, 2025, 5:20 PM

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i guess that 1 mm distance might be value set for is okay can be compensated

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did you put a waterlevel on your bed to see if light shines through between it and the bed? maybe itst just bed af

lucid igloo May 28, 2025, 7:33 PM

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foggy nacelle i guess that 1 mm distance might be value set for is okay can be compensated

Wdym

lucid igloo May 28, 2025, 7:34 PM

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foggy nacelle did you put a waterlevel on your bed to see if light shines through between it a...

No

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Never heard of that 💀

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Lemme google it and try that too

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I'll let u know how it goes

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Btw I removed the code from my slicer cuz it made things worse

foggy nacelle May 28, 2025, 7:36 PM

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very odd

lucid igloo May 28, 2025, 7:37 PM

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I leveled everything for hours and managed to make it consistent on most of the areas and printed a figure

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I managed to print something thankfully but the supports were a bit stuck to the prints probably due to the nozzle being too close

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But the print was mostly fine

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I need to carefully level everything slightly higher

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Hopefully I dont mess it up

lucid igloo May 28, 2025, 7:40 PM

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foggy nacelle very odd

Yea.. Everytime I test print,it ruined the leveling I did before

foggy nacelle May 28, 2025, 7:41 PM

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you sure you didnt forget the z offset?

lucid igloo May 28, 2025, 7:41 PM

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Nope

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The code calibration resetted everything for some reason

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And the nozzle was too far from the bed and mostly didn't even stick to the bed

foggy nacelle May 28, 2025, 7:43 PM

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yes thats why you need to set the z offset once more and save it via store settings or so. if you keept the z offset from before your nozzle will most likely crash into the bed because the offset from befor was too high

lucid igloo May 28, 2025, 7:44 PM

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I did do that tho

foggy nacelle May 28, 2025, 7:45 PM

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hm then i dont know. i guess its something super simple we are missing

lucid igloo May 28, 2025, 7:47 PM

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Probably 💀

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I might just go to a 3d printer shop and ask them maybe

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I have one close by

foggy nacelle May 28, 2025, 7:49 PM

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you could. wonder what they say

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but they are usally not cheap

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i mean the loadcell could be damaged but thats just a guess

lucid igloo May 30, 2025, 2:09 PM

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foggy nacelle i mean the loadcell could be damaged but thats just a guess

I started to have this problem 4-5 months after I bought it and didint use it that much

lucid igloo May 30, 2025, 2:42 PM

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If thats the case I still have the warranty

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Wouldn't be a problem

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