Reinforce the 'give feedback to receive feedback' rule in the #demo-feedback channel

[oblique iron]

Hardly anybody does this anymore and it's not fair on the people that are serious about production long-term and want to develop themselves. Everyone should be helping each other to improve rather than every man for themselves.

The pinned messages also need moving from #🎹│producer-chat to #📩│demo-feedback

[late copper]

I'd say completely ditch this rule. As a beginner you can't really give much proper feedback and people are just going to be giving minimum feedback for the sake of this rule

[primal geyser]

Well no that's not fair, this is a community and we're here to help each other out and not be selfish

Beginners can still give feedback, it might not be as specific but it's still good to get criticism from them

[late copper]

Well I can help people out once I'm good. Not much when I've just made my first ever song

And as far as I remember the rules for giving feedback were pretty strict

Either have this rule or make feedback high-quality only, both at once doesn't make a lot of sense and is unwelcoming to new producers

Also the rule doesn't make much sense, once you've given one feedback you can ask for infinite. And it's probably pretty hard to moderate as well

What I'd recommend:

Make feedback high-quality only and make some sort of reward for people who give a large amount of feedback. Like 10+ valid feedbacks (which could be set by moderators) giving a unique role for example. This way there is a lot of high-quality feedback and beginners don't feel forced to be saying something that might not make the most of sense

[primal geyser]

I think it can just be as simple as: any time you want to drop a track for feedback, give meaningful feedback to at least one person before you do

[primal geyser]

Well actually as a beginner you can probably still hear if a track gets repetitive, things aren't tuned correctly etc. Even small stuff like this is still useful feedback if it's also constructive

[late copper]

How would mods even enforce this?

[late copper]

If a beginner can tell it an expert certainly can. And beginners still can't give very amazing feedback, so if that's what you expect while still having this rule, then it's stupid

[primal geyser]

By literally asking people to give feedback to one person before they upload their track

[late copper]

How would they know though? They'd have to go through their message history which could very much be a pain

[primal geyser]

No as in they do it there and then before they upload their track

[late copper]

So you're saying it has to be right before they upload their track and can't happen at any time?

[primal geyser]

Yeah

Wouldn't be difficult at all for the mods to enforce

[late copper]

I don't know man, that seems much worse. I mean for a lot of tracks you can't say a whole lot and if someone already gives a lot of feedback it's gonna be harder to give more. Eventually a track's gonna have all the feedback it needs and then there are just gonna be people like repeating stuff n shit just so that they can post their stuff

You really can't expect quality feedback with this

[primal geyser]

Well tbh all I really want is fewer people just dropping their tracks in the feedback chat and not helping other people out too

Even just two simple positives and negatives to the person before is fine imo

[late copper]

@primal geyser I think we should rather make the people that do have a good ability of giving good feedback have a reason to give more. There currently is no reward for giving feedback (past the first one with your suggestion), and I feel like if there were, people would be much more motivated to give quality feedback