What's this amount on my usage?

[digital vale]

@sand relic i've verified, what's this $600+ on my usuage?

[calm ginkgo]

Can you click "show breakdown"?

[calm ginkgo]

"Estimated Bill" is just estimated, it's what Railway might think what your "Current Usage" will be at the end of the term

It doesn't 100% accurately represent what you will be paying

[manic oracle]

True but they should still make sure that it's an incorrect estimation

[calm ginkgo]

How many days have you been running this service (or services) for?

[digital vale]

Started yesterday

[digital vale]

Why is it there then? I’m confused 🙃

[calm ginkgo]

Railway needs data to estimate it, if it's only been a day it makes sense that it's accurate

I reckon you'd end up with a bill less than ~200$ at the end of the term (your egress is quite high)

[violet barn]

It seems your use case is egress heavy, if you share a bit more about how you are using Railway maybe we could help optimize things a bit

[digital vale]

So if I end my services now, what will I end up paying after the term?

[sand relic]

The Current Usage is what you'd need to pay at the end of the term (so far) so if you stop all your services and remove all volumes so that there is nothing costing you extra then you'll pay 5.65 usd

[calm ginkgo]

Don't forget the minimum 20$ for pro plan

[digital vale]

I’m running a Scanner 🙂

2 scanner services

[digital vale]

Sorry?

[calm ginkgo]

Replace hobby plan with pro plan, and 5$ with 20$, same thing

[digital vale]

I upgraded from hobby plan to pro plan

[digital vale]

So what I’m to pay will be the 5.6$ highlighted correct? It might turn to $600+ before the term ends is that what this means?

Based on my usage?

[sand relic]

You pay for your plan's cost (in this case 20usd) along with any usage incurred (in this case 5.65 usd)
the first 20 usd of usage in your plan is free however, so you don't have to pay that 5.65 usd, just the 20usd for pro plan

[digital vale]

Damn, it’s gettin complicated the more I try to understand

[calm ginkgo]

Understandable honestly

[violet barn]

In 1 day you've transferred ~85GB out of Railway, if there's a way you can avoid that you'll be running for very cheap. Railway recently launched Buckets (Object Storage) so you can store heavy files and save on egress costs

[calm ginkgo]

An example:

My usage for this month is 10$
The pro plan gives you 20$ of free usage
So 10$ - 20$ = 0$ (min of 0)
Then +20$ for the pro plan itself
You pay 20$

My usage for this month is 30$
The pro plan gives you 20$ of free usage
So 30$ - 20$ = 10$
Then +20$ for the pro plan itself
You pay 30$

[sand relic]

Okay let me simplify this then

The 600usd you're seeing comes from Railway making an estimate based on your current usage, I can see you have a lot of egress - this means if you downloaded something from a service that was 50gb then Railway might think that this 50gb egress is a frequent thing and therefore will tell you that it expects a larger amount than you might have to pay in reality.
-# On the other hand if that egress didn't come from a one-off action then it's likely the estimation is somewhat accurate and could be worth investingating further.

Right now, if you pause all your services then you have incurred 5.65 usd in usage. I explained how the pricing works but you can think of it this way: You pay at minimum 20 usd a month regardless of what your current usage is. Meaning if your usage is 10usd then you pay 20usd, if your usage is 25usd then you pay 25usd.

[digital vale]

Oh, so if I stop my service now, and term ends and current usuage was like 6$, I will end up paying 0$? Because my 20$ plan has covered it?

[calm ginkgo]

You will end up with 20$ as your plan is 20$

[cobalt lily]

Just think of it as you pay the largest out of the plan cost ($20) and the usage cost ($600) - max(20, usage) meaning that if you stop the service now you will pay max(20, 6) = 20

[digital vale]

I've stopped the service but estimate hasn't reduced ((

[calm ginkgo]

You can ignore that, no services running means your "current usage" will not go up

And "current usage" is what is used for billing

[digital vale]

Other webservice are still running, but the scanners are stopped. Does it mean i have to stop ALL service on railway?

the price is scary for me, and i have a mini project hosted on another service which doesn't encure much, scared it might affect me when i can't pay back such estimate... it's currently at $1000+

Okay my other servies are not affected

[calm ginkgo]

Can you show the usage of all your projects?

You can blur out the names if you want

[digital vale]

how to see that?

[calm ginkgo]

Should be a bit of scrolling down

[calm ginkgo]

Just removing/stopping the top service would stop any further 'major' costs

The 6.84$ will still be included at the end of the billing cycle

[digital vale]

i just want the 900 to move to 1.3 like the others ... I"m okay with the 6$ it was worth it... about the 900$ lets do something about

what do i do now?

[calm ginkgo]

The 900-100$ is almost definitely inaccurate
If the "current cost" for the top project represents the last 24h, will be around 200$ for 31 days

The main factor for the high cost is your egress, scanner/scraping is networking heavy so it makes sense

How many services are in that project? Are you using private networking for internal requests between services?

[digital vale]

• about 5 services are in the project
• I'm using public networking for internal requests, the internal requests are for the postgres db

[calm ginkgo]

Internal requests should 100% be via private networking

Internal requests via public networking are included in egress costs

[digital vale]

Hello guys, I have another question

I stopped the service that is costing me alot, and i want to downgrade to hobby plan, what do I need to know about that? Will i be charged for the usuage accurred already or not?

@calm ginkgo @cobalt lily @sand relic @violet barn

[sand relic]

You will be charged for existing usage, yea

Personally, I wouldn't recommend downgrading to hobby plan
Since your usage is around 20usd, you might as well be paying for pro plan, there would be little difference in what you're ultimately charged if you downgrade (assuming you maintain a ~20usd monthly usage)

That is unless you downgrade to hobby plan you intend to use much less than 20usd of usage, if that is the case then downgrading would be wise

You can downgrade in Plans -> Downgrade To Hobby

[digital vale]

Yes that is the plan, so when do you suggest I downgrade. Now or on 10th?

[sand relic]

in my opinion: if downtime doesnt matter then you can get 2 extra days for free by waiting, but if you want zero downtime then just downgrade tomorrow

[digital vale]

Thank you, I will set a reminder them and update you once it’s don

[sand relic]

sounds good

[digital vale]

I've downgraded, i hope i won't pay the extra bill for current usuage?

the pro plan covered it right?

[sand relic]

errr im not entirely sure how that would work, i've never downgraded so what is covered and how much you pay is beyond me

[digital vale]

Can you please ask someone who does? So this doesn't take me by surprise

My server bot is hosted on railway, if it goes offline, new users can't join my community

[sand relic]

sure, i'll go ask about how downgrading works

• Your current usage won't go anywhere, you still need to pay for that even if you downgrade
• What your pro plan covered was 20 usd of usage, but included usage is only applied at the end of billing cycles, downgrading to pro means that you now have hobby plan's included usage which is 5usd

[digital vale]

sorry, i'm confused, how much do i pay now?

because i don't see where i'm supposed to make payment for the next mont h for my hobby plan

[sand relic]

You don't make payments ahead of time, Railway will charge you when the time to pay comes, you can find all the info regarding that on your usage page in your account settings

[digital vale]

according to this screenshot, it's marked as verified, what does it mean?

[digital vale]

did the pro plan cover for nthe 19$ usuage?

andnow, i will continue paying $5 at the end of each cycle? this is confusing me sorry ((

[sand relic]

where do you see verified?

[digital vale]

the checkmarks beside the history

[sand relic]

I'm not sure what that 19usd would be, but pro plan didn't cover for anything

[digital vale]

the green checkmarkes

[sand relic]

I think there's something more fundemental about Railway's pricing you might be confused on

Railway plans work like so: you purchase a plan (hobby or pro), the cost of the plan is the minimum amount you pay in any given month

so if you have pro plan, which is 20usd, and you host nothing - you'll still pay 20usd
if you have pro plan, and you host 16usd worth of services - you'll still pay 20usd
if you have pro plan, and you host 42usd worth of services - you'll pay 42usd
-# the 20usd is the minimum you pay

when you moved from pro to hobby, your minimum went from 20usd to 5usd and you lost some pro-exclusive features
other than that, what you pay hasn't changed, if you're hosting 42usd worth of services, you'll still pay 42usd no matter the plan you're on

[sand relic]

oh, that just means the invoice was paid

[digital vale]

so i'm not owing railway?

i just have to continue renewing my hobby plan onwards?

[sand relic]

exactly, as long as you keep paying your invoices you should be good

[digital vale]

i will hold you to that, thank you.

[sand relic]

if you owed Railway money then you wouldn't be able to use Railway, they'll pause your services and ask you to pay before you can continue

[digital vale]

that's what i wanted to confirm, so they won't take me by surprise lol

[sand relic]

yea, glad I could clear that up 🙂

[digital vale]

hello sir, sorry what does this mean?

[sand relic]

There's an ongoing incident so it looks like Railway paused hobby deployments (just a guess)

[digital vale]

for everyone or just mine?

[sand relic]

for everyone on the hobby plan if my assumption is correct

if I'm right then this will go away once the incident is resolved