#╭🏀・basketball
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Y’all think Hart can still get a double double with Chet playing
possibly
i’m people
This is with or without Chet
but ad wasnt playin those times
Oh damn i forgot they got AD
yea and lively gets boards too
be fr bruh yall boys and girls in here secret millionaires? lmao
so i wouldnt rlly risk it
???? Fliff thinks Sengun a nigga lmfao
Ya like Cade 34.5 PRA?
i was debating on him
I can’t believe Ant is ruled out man. Bros fucking up my fantasy🥲
Ant who
Randle over
who sells
Minute restriction or normal time?
That idk
Alr thanks
He’s on a minute restriction
About 20-25 min
Yeahhh not taking him
You guys think Randle gonna cover for Anthony?
His line is 22 points
What yall think
Yes
Wemby dropping 45.5 over on the Raptors? is that a good pick? PRA
I went for it
He’s shit on B2B
whats b2b?
oh
Back to back
so do a lower one and say hell nah
Maybe
or do a higher one and say lower?
I just don’t bet on B2B games
but the raptors 1-2 rn they getting touched
I believe in long legs
People been going higher on that one
Chet’s out I think
but i notice hes mainly got over 40 cause of those 2 back to back over times
so idk
Thoughts?
cade might not play
who sells me
Probable now
Drop em
Wemby over 61.95 fantasy?
It consist of every bros blessing steals and all
He might shoot it tonight and big drummod is there tonight so it's 55/45
Wat are the non blowout games today?
Im slamming my check on it tho bro
Grizz and warriors
Got a strong feeling lebrons gonna retire after this season and we gone resign AR
Rashee rice td?
Mavs and OKC
Yeah I ain’t touching that game might do 1Q props that’s it
Anyone know how the Dallas can get Luka back?
How?
Damn
What we think chat
SGA PRA free
On my soul
Please sprinkle some
Cooper Flagg clamping dat ? Lol
AD 3 fouls by halftime
Anyone got 1Q lower picks
Why so specific 😭
Ehh maybe so
Cyz they easy
Not maybe lol
How y’all feel about Aaron Gordon tn
Shi br easy
Lmao
Dude is just a hooper
Walker Kessler will drop 10+ tn on king lamron
I like it
He’s out for 2 weeks
Idk how his prop still up
Damn thanks for the heads up
Curry points tn
CURRY???
Nah he playing today
@crude bolt what’s it lookin like today?
Give me a lock
That’s too high ngl
On what
Wemby and Randle
Randle gotta play crazy cuz no ant
You think VJ gets that? There’s gonna be so many good rebounders in that game
Christian Braun Over 11.5 points
I put 20 on it
oh you brewing up something huh
Only person I’d be worried about would be Wagner but vj def got the 5.5 rebounds
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@rich flax
Got a free 0 gimme pick whats the play
who good for boards
Drummond
Send the link
A new week and I’ve already won 😂
To your picks
Drummond
just use props.cash
O9.5?
Yeah he got 13 off the bench
who for assists
Wemby
should i do wemby pra or just assist and rebound?
I did higher 14.5 because his last game he gotten 20
I did fantasy points
Is brown playing tonight
Rudy Under 🔒
yea
sga over? gotta turn up against mavs
No one else to score besides him Chet n Ajay Mitchell off the bench
bet thatt
fire
i think tonight’s a very high chance for that
Shai dropping 50 tdy
brice sensabaugh?
Cooper flag gonna get bitched tdy
It's a revenge game too
Keep in mind this nit even including underdog or my other prizepicks account 🥴🥴🥴🥴
Might have to hang it up
how we feel abt vj rebounds
Gone make a $500 2 man to make the decision
How does it feel being a fan of 8 different nfl teams?
how does it feel to speak on something you know nothing about
i dont even watch football
so please extract my genitalia from ur mouth
you ain’t got $10 gango?😭
How much yall think curry dropping today?
25ish
I get the revenge game reasoning for some players but for kd I have a feeling it means absolutely nothing
I don’t think he could care less
Kevin Durant Higher 33.5
Victor Wemby higher 39.5
SGAlexander higher 39.5
nikola Jokic higher 39.5
Stephen curry higher 36.5
is that bad picks?
What we think Vic goin for
Jokic got way better guys around him now he don’t gotta shoot that much
They fixed SGA !!! LETS GOOOO
so i should take him out? or do a higher number but lower?
Idk lol, he’s way too volatile imo to even touch
Everything else looked decent tho
We
???
Ez he gon get it
Jokic pr if anything
nuggets didn’t change that much
and i dont wanna lose 15
ra* i mean
yeah i might do 21 over RA for jokic
should i drop 15 in it?
but brooo KD im scared of what bro migh tdo
Kd banned lowkey
Who is active for early kickoff
$20 >>>>$900
Check it out what do you think you 🤨
KD not even playing
Past 5 against min he’s gone crazy under
so curry going over 26.5 points
Bro kd is worrying me
Yall think he gon do the 6 points 1st Quarter
If he doesn’t I’m banning
You know what they say ab most popular on pp, usually a fade but curry looks so good
Onggg
I used him on a couple plays
Coin flip
And the ladder lineup
you’re betting on 1q points shits usually a flip
Anthony Davis is he still goated or nah?
Feel like he gon get 25/12
@main rampart
Anybody got 1 nfl and 1 nba lock for me tn
Brotha what? They signed Tim hardaway, Jonas, and traded for Cameron Johnson and Jamal Murray is playing a lot better already
@mossy tangle
Who is active for early kickoff
$20 >>>>$900
Check it out what do you think you 🤨
Reaves 50 pts again tonight?
how do the additions of these guys mean he’s gonna shoot less tho
Shutcho ass up pussy
Bot
Makes sense lmao
Why the fuck would i put 200$ on some shit like that
Lame ass BOT
No one clicking your link brokie
@weak kindle
Get a grip you have autism
Quick question for every body I put victor wembyama will score higher than 29.5 do yall think i have a chance of winning that bet?
i might take Jokic out for rebound and assist
like i wanna keep him in hes been getting over 20 for the past few games but
and they playing mavs so idk
Bro all these bots in here
Ong
They gotta switch their words up
If you're down and tired of losing,texxxt me I'll send you sum safe 2man or 4man parlays for tn
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probably forgotten that wemby smacked the mavs single handed
Quick question for every body I put victor wembyama will score higher than 29.5 do yall think i have a chance of winning that bet?
Or nah
Not sure tbh
He might be tired
just get his pra
How this look?
They have combined to shoot more than 20 field goals a game so far and it’s showing in the fact he only shot 8 times last game
I can’t change it bc I already do my pick I just want other peoples suggestions there playing against Memphis btw
But I have a small feeling Wenmby can get 30pt this game
Alexander-Walker more than 13.5 pts?
He had 8 points must’ve did his PRA
I forgot what I did lemme check
I like it
What yall think
I think Curry will do more tbh
Steph curry has been going off lately but other than that good
It was 12.5
I would put Steph curry higher than 26pt trust
I feel like he gone chill tonight
He had 2 games over 30
He gon get 40
Frl put curry higher trust
How long does it take before it lets me add photos
But he ain’t average over 27 against Memphis tho
Level 5
Just keep talking
Ohh Alr
One site projects Alexander-Walker to get 5 pts today
another site projects 10.1 pts
yall ever did a streak on underdog?
risky, but CHI gives up 20.76 pts to opposing small forwards....
He shoots a lot so I feel like he will get it plus his shooting percentage ain’t bad
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Yeah
is zion cool for a pick? pra?
I did pra
for zion?
i wanna put 15 in this shit
What’s ur parlay for tdy?
look at those injury reports before you do gang
Free plays??
Anyone?
What y’all think?
i might take da under
Am I trippin?
I’m cooked if he plays 💔
let me know how this play out gang
Butler is iffy for me.
Brandon Miller diagnosed with shoulder subluxation; without timetable for return.
its in the report in underdog and i just googled it,he does
I hope no one bet on him lol
Bro i was close to ptting Luka on yesterday. Thank god i waited
ja morant higher or lower against golden state you think? PRA
Idk bro. I lost money to him twice. Depends on the amount maybe?
My guarantees are Giannis, Wemby, Ingram, Ball, Maxie, Brunson, Reaves, Luka
I even dropped for over pts and got Edgecombe and RJ putting in work
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@meager bronze
Curry pushes that dude to be better lol
His last games havent been too too great from what we are used to doing
him doing
what’s the 2 easiest basketball lines for tonight? that will for sure hit
alexander walker over pa
🤣
Bro I did my play yesterday 😭 night
Hopefully umm rescued
Or
Some
ye ggs
Ja over
The first 10 people to slide me a FR will receive a 6-man slip to win 6k plus @vernal cloud
I’m not tryna sweat
Again
Swapped Kelce on another slip as well as Mariota 4.5 yards 1st drive
It seems free
Poole vs D white good luck buddy
Should be cake walk especially w all the injuries for OKC
Unless it turn to a blowout
Shai gonna carry
As usual
Yeah
What do you all have for Kelce?
Jokic triple double again
Just 25 yards
But I see endzone ngl
Home game they love the fella fella
I want to put Kelce and Jokic on today
Porzingis o 24.5 PRA?
Who does jokic play
Wolves
I kinda want to put him for a oduble double or rebounds
Jokic getting doubled if he has to
That’ll come down to the 4th qtr
Should be a money game
Should be free just got to pick ur poison
Interesting
Has still been over that line 2 out of the 3 games this year
True he has yet to play a good defensive team
Mavs looked like shit
Anyone know if Zion out today
You think Jokic and hist that triple today?
I mean it's 3 games into the season Im not really factoring defensive ratings like that till a larger sample size
I mean he has a chance everyday it's just a matter if he gets the ast which is likely
bro youve been asking all morning already chill...
Interesting play
Called it before it happened and making it lit 🔥✅
yall need em plays to tail jus ad me no bs🎯
with ant out yall think rob dillingham gonna ball out ?
I did a triple double
Hopefully ts hits
No he's playing with a mask cause ayton broke his nose with an elbow on Friday lol
5/5
Fingers crossed for tonight
👀 Jimmy went over all 3 games this year and Memphis fouls more than the Lakers nuggets and Portland
Stephon Castle needs a castle
Hope everyone cashes tonight. Let’s have a great evening god bless
Fingers crossed lol
Last 3 game he hit 5 so hopefully he putsn in work today
What we think chat?
Don't love under on Mitchell Lonzo not playing since it's a back to back and it's no garland
Understandable duly noted
I got stephon on those rebounds too
Rest looks good tho
Idk about Butler
Hes made me lose. He can be inconsistent
Yeah but since he been with the warriors he's been a freethrow merchant he's shooting like 12 freethrows per game
Cap
That dude respects the fuck out my coin
Since he joined the warriors
Not mine lol
Second game he made me lose
wtf could u have had him for
The OT one ??
😭
He put 30 on the lakers and was solid vs nuggets man yall be picking the wrong lines
You think Stephon castle can get boards agains the raptors?
Dude chalked me in the final four last year and I have yet to bet on him😭
Send me some picks chat :<)
Maybe that’s a scary one to me
yeah idk either
Last year ???
He was drafted this year tho
Yee it was in college do or die game
Ohh
And Baylor lost cuz VJ blew it
💔💔
Nah he cooking up
He is a saucy mf
Last few games
🙏🏾🏀
Wat yall think?
I can’t send pics yet here but I like
AD double double
Jokic triple double
Durant under assists
Wemby over blocks
AD is the Mavs only big tonight that should be free
…
Do you level up chatting in here?
Is pope ast a trap?
niggas be gripping on me
Stop meat riding him bro, it shows. He dropped the ball on the last game in points and rebounds. Vs Denver he had shit 2 pointers and field goal percentages
Confident?
Asf gang 😂 but uk these niccas gotta go out there n do they job
u confident daddy?
I hate doing 1q bets
Don’t do em 😂 I love em n be smackin💯 I get chalked to tho 😂
What y’all like for Cooper
half of the lakers team is out
marcus smart is ruled out
gabe
luka for a week
lebron
zion ruled out for pelicans
@limpid lodge your mom is out for the week
?
How we feel abt this?
AR back to back?
Alright mister brown keep dat same angry energy😂🙌turn those players up
Porzingis over pra?
Reaves hot rn he ain’t slowing down
ayton looks free for pra
Reaves RA lock
and yea reaves fs
Reaves 30or 40
Reaves, Rui, and Ayton! Wooooo
Do you guys like magic or 76ers?
Yall know what to do
sybau
Up to 4.5 easy under
Two threes and is chalked
@twilit stone I need to input👀😂
Vj over?
once i said half lakers was out you replied lmaoo dont be mad i replied back
w rage bait
Yessir JB over

oh wow
I didn’t ask about the lakers 😂😂😂 I asked for who’s gonna win Magic or 76ers
Magic confirmed
ML or -6
ML
Spurs -4?
Prob
Celtics or pelicans?
What I’m saying they hungry in that locker room should ball out
Wagner 19.5 pts over?
I had my doubts first 3 games but he seems reliable
yeah forsure
Hawks -3 vs bulls?
He always ball against Philly. I have Franz over
Edgecomb over pr?
Banchero 7.5 rebounds over ?
take 76ers money line
Let’s ride
@balmy pendant no one needs your janky ahh picks bro
These niccas bet not fk me over
^^😂😂
Incoming curry 10 points
Holy bot
You the BIGGEST hater in here huh 😂 yeaaa that’s you!!!
Sorry I’m tied in with Vegas ☠️
That’s coo… I be back to talk all kinds of shii… be here!!!
Literally mad because your player hasn’t been consistent on rebounds and points. Take it easy over there lol
I’m on your side not curry’s sorry 😬
Go colts!!!
☠️
He cash me last game all good I’m chillin
What are monelyines for nba tn
😂😂
Wyg tn?
Bro I need a play please
He he did as well on game one
@twin saddle sorry bruh but curry gonna sell u
Ok!!!
Why yall on Curry w/ the disrespect… Man been clownin… what yall watchin 😩😂
I sent one earlier dawg
@twin saddle bc every time I don’t bet on him he goes crazy and when I do he decides to become killan Hayes
What I’m saying… dude respects coin whenever I put munyun on em
9/10 times as long as he’s been on da warriors
Dude is on program time
Not Miami weird shit
😂💀 no in between
Do yall wemby will score 30pt tn bc i betted money on him let me know what yall think
Shia going to get 2.5 blocks + steals?
I think so yea
I will put y'all on a 4 and 6 man for tonight,just say addd and I willl send what I got
What you think abt wemby scoring 30 tho??
Rudy gobert finna cook tonight
Put higher on curry true he’s been going off these past 3 game s
Yea if you put pts+reb+asts
He’s probably going to get 35-40
That’s his line every game
Hopefully bro
Only thing stopping wemby is his coach
And those mins
Ngl
He could put up 40+ if he wanted to
True
Being so serious lol
Yall think KD could score 30 tn he’s playing against the nets I think so I put money on him to
I hate KD
Why lol
Good picks
He tweeted after he sold my slip
He swear he funny
Let me see dude irl tho
Old ah font
What yall think
Crazy bro
So u rlly don’t think KD could drop 26 tn tho he playing agent the nets!
Nah but tweets like that should easily get u investigated, seems intentional
You have to talk more
Even at that take his fantasy too
Damn bro I already betted he could drop 25.5 higher tn
@vernal frost damn lmao good luck
I cashed his fantasy under everytime i took it
Why u say that tho😭
His pra always good but his points janky
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@pine parcel u right ima just hope he do good tn
I will put y'all on a 4 and 6 man for tonight,just say addd and I willl send what I got
where’s the other people that knows ball I need sum parlays
Damn they ain’t active rn
Last night I betted on cooper Flagg,James harden,and Austin reaves and made like 150$
@west yarrow I slide you em
First slip for first game
Always start off the slate less than $10 before you hit your first
then blow away any winnings to make the money u want
@west yarrow Accept let cash to
@west yarrow Bro don’t take no one’s plays bro. Go with your gut dawg in this game nothing 100%
Thoughts ?
You can have someone like vj edgecombs under 18 points then suddenly pop off with 40 lol
Remove Julius Randle
@west yarrow Go wit your gut
W
Wagner day
Anyone on McDaniels since Edward’s out? He averages like 19+
Take McDaniels assist if anything
He gonna rely on his other players
Told y’all 76ers money line
FREE
I feel he’s gonna cash his 14 line
I sent the pics 🤞
Now we will find out shortly if Grimes being the one that hit the buzzer beater for the 76ers to go up ahead has removed him from positive EV
How long do I gotta chat until I can send pictures lol anyone know ?
Just keep doing it
It ain’t long but it only counts 1 per comment & every reply
Y’all did paolo get injured?
I think it’s level 5
Appreciate y’all fr
How can I check level ?
Bro I don’t love the Randle pick
he’s playing a Joker that has been fucking up revently
🧠 Strategy + Patience = PROFITS 💸
These tickets don’t lie — get in the channel and start winning too 🔗
I can see this being his get back game and shutting out Randle
no ant man and he always goes over tha line even when ant plays
I mean who else is gonna score
Ant is out
he doesnt guard randle
what’s the best prop for rockets
its rudy
I’m kinda off on kd
Mitchell so trash man
Yall not seeing the vision, Ant is the main focus nowadays. Randle going to be double covered everywhere like Ant would
Cade is doing so well 🤣
Donte might have a game tonight
He stays active in the mid range bro he’s cooked
randle is a dawg u acting like he wont drive in for a and1
Idk man it feels like we all going green today
Not bad but not good either lol
Donte divincenzo will have a good game
yall think kd scoring 26?
Nah bro, with Anthony Edward’s out, he’s more prone to fouling on defense. He’ll go under at 19 or 17
@mossy bluff take pra
Yall think spurs staying top 3 in the west the whole season?
BANNNNNNG
Nahh 36 pra right?
CASH IT
aight
fam watch hes gunna go crazy denver r so shit on defense😭😭
Hell yeah mfs suck
cade under free
wtf is Mitchell not in the game
VJ IS HIM
Yeah Edgecombe different
Wow they graded quick asf
what the generator do
Edgecombs different
They always grade mid shots after a whistle
Also I hate u for not sharing w me
Awe damn… Good reads gang 💯
Of course Edgecomb don’t wanna get any assists when I take it😭 straight buckets
i took his 3pt made under they had it at 2.5 for some reason
Do another one
Kd RA what y’all think?
How about this place bro
@worldly drum
Might aswell huh
Just give Edgecombe ROTY
Hy ima tail fk it
Take a batter strike out & put something on Austin Reaves Under
? He has 1 rn
the 76ers would be so complete if they had vj at sf and queintin at sg and put jabari and adem onna bench
drummond needs to start!
@abstract solstice
Jalen durren doesnt play 3rd or 4th?
Live On Twitch TheOneForest
depends on his fouls
maxey chalk
DA GENERATOR
Why wouldn’t he
Does VJ hit 3 3s???
possibly
wtf
dk why you would take the most efficient player on that team
ONNA UNDER
on a night like this at that
0 ball knowledge
why would the books have it favored under?
so you can donate ur money?
cause ur simple minded ofc
Yes?
Cade cunning ham washed
How about that bet
He at 9
No joel dude what is u doing lol
i placed it last night
ngas be so dumb
sybau
dnt be mad at me cause you donated
it’s just 10 bucks
that you no longer own
Sure gonna 🎯 ?
14 pra
Maxey is ass
1st q
nga maxey out there looking like steve nash idk wtf u tb
rajon rondo type beat
8 leg
Every .x8 is the sketchiest slips. It’s saying it’s highly favored ONE way. Making the opposite pick easier to hit tbh
bro yk damn well he js having fun cmon no
w
look at the dimes hes throwing
U right as long as he keep feeding VJ
they got that game in the bag too much offense for orlando to handle
Fr
not even they dont even have to do ts
they can feed kelly
quint
What y’all think
Whoever told me to put vj Rebs fuck u
Bro I hope KD score at least 27pt
When do Celtics play ??
its too many options
Both slips up n running
Poole iffy
8:10
Was today the day of unders?
this is a good play
Solid bro
Y'all like vuc double double
i js dk abt ausar
^
Yeah porzingis isn't necessarily the best rebounder
its not him he has to worry about
every one of the hawks except the pg helps on rebound possessions
Imm put y’all on the plays for today just send meee a friend/reeeqqquest and i will send u what i got 🔥💯
fire
Drummond big for nothing
Dame time points would’ve been free 🫠 guess lakers get a free win
he got 3 rebounds for me 1st q i gottem for 6
Yall rlly think Kevin Durant not gon score 27
Nah he only got 2
You got anything else… I’m tryna cook up
U never know wit him, he facin the nets he could cook
He does 28 in his sleep
NGL
adem bona is da terrible
I’m hopping bro I put a lot of money into him
gonna be interesting watching him iso mpj😭
🤣BBQ chicken
INVESTIGATE CADE ASAP
Edgecomb is gonna sell. Shits sad man
W
franz cash incoming
ISGAF
Demon time
cade cunningham fucking sucks
Lol
dnt ever disrespect my roty
well of that year
Yo paolo needa get boards
Edgecomb assists looking no bueno
idgaf he was good that yr now he not
celtics game picks anybody?
I need atleast 2 more from him this half
brickin shots
how he average near a trip double and took the pistons to the playoffs
Who put paolo over 7.5 REB?
do you see how he's playing rn
and yesterday
Of course Cade doesn’t have a single assist. I’m fuckin done bro
he's too busy bricking shots my guy and turning the ball over
Imm put y’all on the plays for today just send meee a friend/reeeqqquest and i will send u what i got 🔥💯
sweetie listen… U dont fucking disrespect greatness
look wtf hes doing on defense
the man IS FUCKING TRYING
aye man watch your mouth
trust i don't but you can't deny he's playing ass rn 🤣🤣
Evan Mobley clears
That’s not nice
In his draft class
dawg has 3 TOs already
now me and you both know
that nigga sorry asl
stop it😭😭
thanks king
MOBLEY IS a watered down version of bam😭
Give me Mobleys efficient double double
Over Cade double double
two different positions
you cant compare that
ofc anytime
I understand but as far as putting ball in The hoop
Give me Evan😂
cades a better scorer no doubt
welp ggs to mitchell bets this coach gets so hornyy to sit him down when theyre up
Yessir but I like mfs who don’t try so hard
Natural gifted
Live bet when he was at 5 for a 1.2x…
yeah understandable
cade a better scorer and more versatile
mobley
he efficient and a good floor spacer.. can give you isolation buckets… all around hes solid
Can’t deny Mobley’s presence ever lol
cade an easy fade for now
i js think cade is better
1/7 diabolical
put cade in mobleys situation
They took his powers away
i promise cade woulda been top pg in the league
GIVE CADE THE DEPTH MOBLEY TEAM has
OR ATLEAST ANOTHER CONSISTENT shooter besides TOBIAS HARRIS
Like top 5 or top 10
he playing like a planet fitness player rn
Top 1
u cant name a pg that rivals him
name em
and ill break it down
Damn u cade
UNLESS UR SAYING HALIBURTON
there's no way you just said this
or ant
Bro VJ hasn’t scored all scnd quarter
if u gave him the same team depth yes he would be top 1
Selling
Cade cunnigham wtf u doing boi
HE TOOK A SHITTY DETROIT PISTONS TO THE playoffs
Imagine
COULDA WENT TO THE FINALS FRFR
easy
if fucking Og wasnt out his mind
curry is not better than cade sorry. hence why he cant flourish in todays league
Currently wishing I put my house on this
luka ill accept
DEF not better
more clutch though
and im from new york
i want what you're smoking
think about these situations gang
is it more impressive
for a homeless man to build himself from scratch to become a millionaire
or is it more impressive for someone who inherited hundreds of thousands
to become a millionaire
Get back to passing the ball gang, it’s what you’re good at
Poole party today
shai cannot score without shooting less than 12 free throws
proven fact
next player
But I never seen Cade do what he doing
He be getting same mins
even then he cant do that rn
are u sick in the head?
wtf Orlando bench doing?
I need VJ to get his shit together
Does VJ hit 22 pts????
Not looking like it
Derrick white blow this nigga Poole up please
exactly what im saying his team
Drop this mf off
SGA carried tho
basketball isnt a one player sport he cant help his team wack
Paolo needs lock in
honestly speaking
Orlando bench ain’t shooting wtf
lamelo ball is even up there