PHILOSOPHY CHANNEL

[dense bane]

and lazy

u can start a family at 25

is not that old

is not old at all

[weak horizon]

i know, but most people don't do that

that's where i'm getting at :p

[dense bane]

ah i see

[ancient wharf]

Yeah medical students need to study alooot more

[dense bane]

25-30 yo still fine

[dense bane]

haha

40 ?

thats crazy

[weak horizon]

yup, i have some doctor friends

and it's crazy what they go through

[weak horizon]

yeah some people still think they need to "live" have fun or still chase career in their early 30s, and is too early to have kids. They start thinking about it after 35 or later.

[dense bane]

i tink im too imature but im 20 yo :))

maybe at 25 ...

[weak horizon]

i would have liked if i had kids around 27 the latest.

mainly to not have too big age gap with the kids

[dense bane]

yea

[weak horizon]

but depression and not having wamen got in the way of that dream

[dense bane]

https://tenor.com/view/david-goggins-stay-hard-they-don't-know-me-they-do-not-know-me-they-don't-know-me-son-gif-10951468407882162712

[dense bane]

u can be the cool or crazy uncle

[weak horizon]

now, even if i find someone, i don't mind either having or not having children. But i would definitely want someone to live with.

[weak horizon]

not even, my brothers won't have kids.

[dense bane]

make sense

[dense bane]

:c

[weak horizon]

the older one is already 46 and married for 15+ years now. I think they are the type that just didn't want kids.

the other brother... well similar to me, depression and no wamen. So no kids

[dense bane]

ah

[weak horizon]

most of my friends around my age have family already tho, and their kids start popping out

but some are still either single, or together with someone, but no family.

[dense bane]

are u that old ?

[weak horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

35

[dense bane]

if ur 30-35 u can find 100%

[dense bane]

is fine , u have few years more

u can try

[weak horizon]

mentally i feel like i already ran out of time.

[dense bane]

maybe some work on yourself and im sure u can

[dense bane]

no , u still can

[weak horizon]

yeah i'm working on myself now, but don't think i'm ready for relationship with women yet.

[dense bane]

i think u can try to be

[weak horizon]

and even if i were, i feel like most have so many expectations. And i just want a simple and normal woman.

[dense bane]

yes

to be honest i dont even know what i want

:))

im too kid

maybe next year 😂

[weak horizon]

you are very young you still have time to figure all that out.

[dense bane]

anyway i will want to get a job before to get married

[weak horizon]

yeah that's a smart plan

not just for marriage, but in general

[dense bane]

fix few things in my life

to work more , to study

maybe every day

rn im doing but not as much i want

[ancient wharf]

Woahhh

[azure fractal]

that’s good? we like feminists

[ancient wharf]

I expected you to be around 25 ngl

[azure fractal]

atp might as well just find the girl yourself

a person could be perfectly good but yall still dont fall in love

[ancient wharf]

You save time by giving the task to ur parents😎😎

[azure fractal]

not really. it goes against orthodox/ very strict muslims but everyone else is okay with it

[ancient wharf]

I mean you can get to know and all

Before you marry

[ancient wharf]

No, dating is strictly prohibited

[azure fractal]

no. feminism says men = women. it benefits men AND women because then men get to express their emotions and break free from the patriarchy that also oppresses them

[ancient wharf]

Oh one more thing i forgot to mention, if you date with the intention to marry someone (like get to know them before marrying) then that is allowed

But the girlfriend boyfriend thingy is prohibited

[weak horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-gif-5832566475420969788

[azure fractal]

you really don’t if you get to know them either way

[ancient wharf]

Frfr u an unc now

[azure fractal]

people choose what they will and won’t follow. MOST muslims are ok w dating. my aunt is muslim and has been dating someone for 25 years

the « strictly prohibited » stuff like women can’t have male friends etc etc is usually followed by extremists

[ancient wharf]

I wouldn't say most muslims, but many muslims are indeed ok with dating even though it is prohibited

[azure fractal]

well then there you go

you get to choose how you practice your religion

except for you gotta believe in allah

[weak horizon]

many muslims get around dating and even sex, just like they get around drinking alcohol.

[azure fractal]

that’s the only actually obligatory thing

[ancient wharf]

Yeah not everyone follows it right

[weak horizon]

i lived 6 months in Tunisia, i have seen it, i have heard it.

[azure fractal]

because they don’t have to

[ancient wharf]

Any ppl just identify as a muslim and do some notorious things

Many*

[ancient wharf]

Yeah everyone has free will

[weak horizon]

well, they are not required by law. But expected by society

[azure fractal]

the bible says don’t wear mixed fabrics. nobody actually follows that

[azure fractal]

depends on the society

im algerian and dating is very ok

[weak horizon]

you can be seen as a bad person if you publicly and openly do it.

[azure fractal]

alcohol in bigger cities is also okay

[weak horizon]

yeah that's true, some are more strict, some aren't

[azure fractal]

i doubt anyone is saying they’re muslim when they’re not. also you can be a true muslim and still drink date etc. all you need is belief in allah

[weak horizon]

but even the muslims i have seen cheating with those "rules". They try to not do it openly or publicly.

they don't want the stigma coming with it

[azure fractal]

yeah

[ancient wharf]

Nope

[azure fractal]

it’s like how you shouldn’t eat in the streets during ramadan

[azure fractal]

oh well i personally have a more open view so we’re not gonna agree here.

[weak horizon]

it's called being progressive.

[azure fractal]

yes..?

[weak horizon]

some muslims moved on from old traditions

[ancient wharf]

If purposely miss the prayer 5 times a day, ur not a muslim

[azure fractal]

ik haha

[azure fractal]

ph no

i disagree

[ancient wharf]

This is from a Quran or Hadith mention

Lemme find it wait

[azure fractal]

I know

ive read the quran

girl sit down

i know

it’s one of the five tenets i get that

[ancient wharf]

Duh then why do u disagree

[azure fractal]

personally i think there is no right or wrong way to practice religion

[ancient wharf]

What religion are you?

[azure fractal]

the same reason why i don’t think you have to follow all rules in the bible to be a true christian

[grizzled venture]

I definitely think there are wrong ways

[azure fractal]

my dads side is muslim my moms is christian

[weak horizon]

but that's what we are talking about. Alcohol and dating is also prohibited by the religion rules or whatever. Yet people still get around and do it.

[azure fractal]

so we celebrate eid & christmas

im not personally super religious tho

[ancient wharf]

You dont have to follow all but you need to follow some specific things to have the faith

[azure fractal]

i mean generally.

[ancient wharf]

Yeah they dont follow it

They know they are sinning

[weak horizon]

just because the quran says so, it doesn't mean that's how it is.

[azure fractal]

belief in one god & the prophet pbuh that’s it

[weak horizon]

and as for who can be seen a "true" muslim or not, how much of the quran you have to follow for that

🤷‍♂️

[azure fractal]

(technically the five pillars) but lowkey i disagree w that

like i don’t think the hadj is necessary

[weak horizon]

hadj is the prayer?

[azure fractal]

pilgrimage to mecca

hajj* sorry but it sounds the same

[ancient wharf]

No ur not a "muslim" if you believe that Allah is one and Muhammad is his prophet and yet doing the things that he prohibited

[azure fractal]

that’s where we disagree

and that’s fine

[ancient wharf]

And not following the things he told you to do

[azure fractal]

you don’t follow every rule in the quran though

very very very few people do

[ancient wharf]

I try my best to

But i do the essentials

You cant progress with the faith if you dont believe in the essentials

[weak horizon]

but that's the thing, whos to say what is essential and what is not, why be selective? It's kinda subjective at that point and i wouldn't judge others for doing differently.

[ancient wharf]

God said

[azure fractal]

also that’s bc the imposition of islam is much more extreme for women than for men

[ancient wharf]

False

[weak horizon]

if someone wants to judge others for not following some rules of quran. I would expect them to follow every single rule. And then i might agree with them.

[ancient wharf]

You need to research more about Islam

Plz dont spread these lies without knowing much about it

[weak horizon]

but if you are being selective with it, it's kinda hypocritical in my opinion.

[azure fractal]

do you enter a toilet with the right foot every time? do you bury your cut hair?

there’s a bunch of crazy shit in the quran that most don’t do

[ancient wharf]

Yeah the right foot thing i do

[azure fractal]

how much are men forced to cover in the quran?

what parts of your body do you cover

[weak horizon]

oh what's the reason for the cut hair?

[ancient wharf]

Navel to knees

[azure fractal]

so it’s not used for dark magic by the devil

[azure fractal]

how much do women need to cover?

[weak horizon]

i'm sorry what ×D

[azure fractal]

yeah it’s weird

[ancient wharf]

Head to toe

Idk about the face

Probably not mandatory

[weak horizon]

yeah, this is the other thing where some arabic society is being progressive about.

[azure fractal]

so men = navel to knee
women = head to toe
do you believe this to be an equally restrictive law? aka the same for men and women?

[weak horizon]

more gender equality

and less strict about how women and men should cover themselves

[ancient wharf]

This is like the worst argument ever man

[azure fractal]

i know enough to know what i’m saying

[ancient wharf]

Does men have tits?

[azure fractal]

..why

[weak horizon]

but i wonder how others see it, if this is really progressive, or bad change.

[azure fractal]

im sorry do women have boobs on their head

[azure fractal]

as in any society it depends

[ancient wharf]

What I'm tryna say is that lust is something that comes by nature and lust towards women is wayy more normalized and easier to occur because they have breasts that are alot bigger than men

Same thing with the buttocks

[weak horizon]

we do, yes. And it can also be sexualized. There are plenty of women who like men with abs and find it sexy or attractive.

[azure fractal]

im asking why having boobs means you need to cover your hair

[ancient wharf]

The whole point of the abaya and hijab is to protect your modesty

[weak horizon]

i know it's not the same level or the same thing like with women. But still

[ancient wharf]

Cuz men get attracted to hair too

[azure fractal]

so it’s a woman’s responsibility to protect you from lusting?

you shouldn’t lust in the first place according to allah

[weak horizon]

there are way more body parts for women that men lust over or sexualize. Literally any body part at this point.

[ancient wharf]

Yeah men need to cover from the navel so basically hall the abs are covered

[weak horizon]

collar bone, feet, thighs, anything, you name it

[ancient wharf]

Yeah you shouldn't but look at society today

[azure fractal]

women are attracted to hair too?? so if i, a muslim woman (which im not), am attracted to your hair, you should cover it right?

[weak horizon]

and i'm sure that's the reason why women has to cover almost full body

[ancient wharf]

Its getting harder as time goes by

[azure fractal]

oh so women weren’t expected to cover their hair until society today?

[weak horizon]

not to say i agree with it, but that's the reason why.

[ancient wharf]

Men are instructed to lower their gaze too man

They also get sins if they lust over a women

[azure fractal]

another example: why can men have multiple wives but women can’t have multiple husbands?

[azure fractal]

ik that

im just saying there’s obvious inequality in how much each gender is asked to cover up

[ancient wharf]

Why can women wear gold and why can men not?

[azure fractal]

yeah that’s not fair either

but most rules in islam benefit men more than women

[ancient wharf]

Just look at the internet nowadays

Women getting sexualized

Porn getting normalized

Its hard to lower gaze during these times

Thats what im tryna say

[azure fractal]

….thats not my question??
if you say that women have to cover their heads because of society NOW, that should mean they didn’t have to cover it 100 years ago right?

[azure fractal]

it’s not. MEN are doing the sexualizing. MEN are normalizing porn. women aren’t getting sexualized by themselves

[ancient wharf]

By that statement i meant that lowering gaze is getting harder as time goes by. I didnt really understand ur question

[azure fractal]

then reread it

[ancient wharf]

Not all MEN are muslims man

Pornography first came from america if im not wrong

[azure fractal]

many MUSLIM men are inherently sexualizing women when they say that women need to cover their heads or else it’s provocative

thats sexualizing

[azure fractal]

you’re wrong lol

100% wrong

porn has been around since before the colonization of america

ancient china had it

the greeks had it

etc etc

[ancient wharf]

Its their fault that they are sexualizing it. They are also getting sins.

[grizzled venture]

That's true

[ancient wharf]

Im talking about the websites and all

[azure fractal]

but women are bearing the burden instead of the men. they’re the ones who have to cover their heads.

[azure fractal]

ahhh the WEBSITES. just don’t look for them!! problem solved :)

[ancient wharf]

Only if it was that easy lmao

[azure fractal]

it literally is

[weak horizon]

this would work if people are taught self-control. But things like that aren't taught in many society or school system, this is something you develop in yourself.

[azure fractal]

nobody is holding you at gunpoint forcing you to watch porn

just don’t open a computer then

i doubt allah would approve of such modern technology

[ancient wharf]

A women can not cover herself if she wants. In the same way, men are sexualizing women. Why are you acting like the religon itself tells men to sexualize women

[azure fractal]

the religion is normalizing the sexualization of women and often, in the way it’s interpreted, absolving men from the blame

[grizzled venture]

Do you think that it would be better without religion?

[ancient wharf]

Go to youtube, facebook, instagram nowadays alot of the content there are pretty much pornography. Lust keeps growing through these

[azure fractal]

…1. no 2. close your computer!!!!!!

[azure fractal]

would life be better without religion? yeah imo but i’m not gonna share my full views because tbf i do get pretty extreme on that

[ancient wharf]

??? Bruh men r gonna go to hell if they keep sexualizing a women and a women will go to paradise if she covers herself. How is the religion normalizing it??

[azure fractal]

im able to spend hours on youtube and insta a day without encountering sexual content

[weak horizon]

it's pretty clear that men made those rules. For obvious reasons. Think about the social hierarchy or social norms centuries or thousands of years ago.
Who was in power back then? Men, and that's why rules are tailored to them.

[azure fractal]

girl no i know

obviously i know

im trying to convince him of that

[weak horizon]

yeah i know you know

[ancient wharf]

Keep trying

[grizzled venture]

Okay lol

[azure fractal]

all religions had men writing in a book what they wanted women to do

[azure fractal]

ohh okay my bad !! :)

[azure fractal]

actually no

i have better shit to do and i’m hungry

so i’m gonna go eat breakfast

[ancient wharf]

Yeah ur not making sense anyway

[weak horizon]

sorry frenchies, but this is such a backwards solution

[azure fractal]

yeah we fucked up w that lol

[weak horizon]

literally going to encourage more cheating

[azure fractal]

agreed

[ornate hazel]

That's inherent human biology

We can't change it yet we can discourage it

[azure fractal]

no :) but i really don’t wanna argue on the fact that women don’t deserve to get sexualized lol

it should be obvious

women are not inherently more sexual than men

they just aren’t. that’s it.

[ornate hazel]

Huh wait I didn't say that 😭

[azure fractal]

you said « that’s inherent human biology »?

[ornate hazel]

For men to sexualise women

[azure fractal]

men are not biologically-

no

absolutely not

men aren’t buliogically wired to sexualize women

plenty of men in my life are normal

[ornate hazel]

Okay wait I phrased it wrong 😭

[azure fractal]

instead men are TAUGHT and ENCOURAGED to do so

[azure fractal]

oh okok take your time 🫶

[broken quartz]

even if they were, that doesn't mean they should act on it, I'd like to think we're capable of acting rationally rather than simply following our primal instincts...

[azure fractal]

but also they aren’t

are humans in general kind of maybe genetically told to lust? sure

or encouraged or whatever

but not men more than women

[broken quartz]

I'm not sure if that's true, afaik hormones play a large role in libido and such, of course societal pressures and education too (eg. "men should chase after woman, woman should be pure" bs)
But either way that doesn't matter, an alarm goes off in my head every time someone says something is "natural" or not. It's such a bad frame of reference for how we should act.

[azure fractal]

right that’s what i mean

there are plenty of other genetic « instincts » that we have no problem lem overcoming

[fresh grail]

Hello friends

[fresh grail]

I have this great genetic instinct to sneeze every so often

[azure fractal]

that’s not genetic but it is biological

[azure fractal]

hello…person?

[fresh grail]

No the doctor says it's genetic

[azure fractal]

are we friends

what are we

[fresh grail]

It runs in my family

[fresh grail]

Idk probably friends

[azure fractal]

ok

[fresh grail]

We all sneeze every 14 minutes and 11 seconds

Sometimes if we hold it we can sync up our sneezes and freak out whoever we're having for lunch

[weak horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-standing-cat-stare-stare-bruhcat-gif-22348277

[grizzled venture]

Does sleeping reset it?

[weak horizon]

well, genetics and our brain is still a big misery. There is a lot to learn about them and how to utilize them still.

[burnt tartan]

whats the topic

[weak horizon]

umm i think now it shifted to sexualizing others or lusting over others are a natural or inherited instinct.

[burnt tartan]

Shi, it is for me

awwooga

[weak horizon]

[burnt tartan]

Not even into women but if one is built nice, I become a dog. Double dog if a man is built nice

I like what I see

My eyes is enjoying the view

Sorry if I fucked up someones argument just now

[flat turtle]

bad ankles

[burnt tartan]

HAHA

[weak horizon]

i don't think there is anything wrong about enjoying something like that. But do it in the right time and right place.

but also it's different when you just do it for pleasure, or do it with the person you love.

one involves emotions and pleasure, the other is just pleasure.

with a significant other it will be more of an admiration and appreciation. Rather than just sexualizing them

[flat turtle]

Ankles does it in the wrong time and wrong place

she deserves to be sprayed

[fresh grail]

Yeah

[weak horizon]

i sneeze the same way as my mother, always has been. My other brothers don't though. So idk if only me inherited it genetically, or i just took the habit and sticked with me 🤷‍♂️

[pastel forum]

Ok

[weak horizon]

there are definitely things we can inherit genetically. But it can't define us as a person.

[grizzled venture]

So after you wake up, you know that you will sneeze in 14 min 11 sec

?

[fresh grail]

Still haven't figured out exactly where the timer starts but pretty much yeah

It starts somewhere before I'm fully awake but no longer asleep, hard to pin down exactly

[burnt tartan]

true

Some misinterpret it as Women > Men because of those loud ass select individuals who lost the plot

By literal history and definition, it was always meant to be Women = men

[fresh grail]

I feel like in practice (at least in my experience) that's how it tends to be

Just because the loud people are the ones who get listened to

[burnt tartan]

Yeah, it do be like that

[weak horizon]

here is an interesting thing about DNA and genetic memory. There is a theory that we can inherit memories and experiences of our ancestors.

It's hard to prove yet scientifically, because you would have to research this and collect data for generations. Which hasn't been done yet.

and also we still don't fully understand DNA and genetics.

[azure fractal]

exactly

and it benefits both men AND women

[weak horizon]

It's also the main concept of Assassin's Creed, the game

[weak horizon]

(or used to be )

[azure fractal]

also because women will sometimes say stuff like that JOKINGLY to cope with their experiences & discrimination and men will use that as a gotcha moment when it was never serious

[vivid oriole]

Exactly

[burnt tartan]

that game never feels real to me because I only knew it from LBP2 era 😭

So I associate AC with LBP2 for no reason

[weak horizon]

what is LBP2?

[burnt tartan]

and now that LBP2 is DEAD, rip to the greatest game of all time

AC died in my mind

[burnt tartan]

ONLY THE

BEST

GAME

ON PLAYSTATION

EVERRRR

[weak horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/peeking-cat-cat-peeking-cat-peek-cat-peek-gif-25099035

[vivid oriole]

Bro your indian, this is the most ignorant shit I've heard all day

[burnt tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/sackboy-sackboy-mewing-littlebigplanet-lbp-lbp-mewing-gif-17134768330131261737

@hard grove twin tell them about LBP2, how its the OGAT

[weak horizon]

little big planet, wth

[burnt tartan]

GOAT*

[broken quartz]

and you also have to take into account that sexist pundits will cherry pick lunatics to get angry at (libs of tiktok style)

[weak horizon]

hmm, i mean it doesn't feel real to me either. But i like the concept, it's one of my favourite games.
The early ones of course, the Desmond saga. Black flag was their last good AC game in my opinion.

the later ones are all crap, and has barely anything to do with the main story anymore.

i never played LBP2, so i don't know how it's similar to AC games

[burnt tartan]

not similar at all i assume

its a sandbox game, so some people made AC inspired maps

[burnt tartan]

ooo

[weak horizon]

oh lol, interesting

[vivid oriole]

Personally for me yes.

[weak horizon]

well the main concept is that you sync with your DNA and one of your ancestor's DNA, to tap into their lives through virtual reality. You don't change the past, but you experience it, and learn what "really" happened in the past. So you go back in history to find info or some items, that you can use in the present day.

[pastel forum]

I thought everyone know that

I have Indian squad role

[weak horizon]

and if the above theory i mentioned earlier is true. And one day we learn to extract memories that were passed down through DNA. This could very well become reality. To what extent, who knows.

[fresh grail]

If you insist

[burnt tartan]

Nowadays on the internet it's used as an insult rather than a fact

[fresh grail]

That being said that comment was very patriarchal of you invalidating my feelings like that

[burnt tartan]

woah

[pastel forum]

Being indian?

Idc

What other say tbh

[vivid oriole]

Tbf they did it to them selves, that's why I'm a proud 6'6 bbc 😔

[burnt tartan]

Imo, the Indian hate normalization has gotten crazy as hell ngl 😭

[weak horizon]

but this theory makes me curious about one thing in particular...
Reincarnation, or visions of past life memories. It could be that's just them having a vision of one of their ancestor's experiences.

[weak horizon]

i'm not even aware that there is Indian hate. What?

[vivid oriole]

Or- maby I could be schizophrenic :3

[burnt tartan]

Me finding out the disliking towards black girls ong

[weak horizon]

some people could perceive it like that i suppose

[weak horizon]

that's also news to me

[azure fractal]

‼️‼️

[vivid oriole]

There is definitely discrimination against Indians on the internet, i would know since I'm the one discriminateing

[pastel forum]

It's cause some brainless influencer and their followers of India

[burnt tartan]

dont go on insta bro 🙏🏾

[azure fractal]

i didn’t invalidate shit. i gave an example.

[weak horizon]

i do once in a blue moon, or even less

[vivid oriole]

No wonder your soo normal.

[weak horizon]

idk sometimes i feel like a boomer because of it. I only just found out people use it to chat with each other. I don't mean the chat on the posts, but DMs.

i thought people just post things there and that's all

[burnt tartan]

i dont text on insta really tbh

im there for the reels

[pastel forum]

I do comment on reels

[weak horizon]

reel addiction

[weak horizon]

only reason i would understand the hate is because of the indian scam callers. But idk how bad that situation is because i never dealt with an indian scam caller.

so i guess it's specific to certain regions or countries

[ancient wharf]

Rouge was good imo

[weak horizon]

i watched enough Kitboga to know about their existence lol

[ancient wharf]

Why dont u watch my reels twin💔💔

[vivid oriole]

That's vaild, tho it's kinda impossible to avoid brain rot on insta so I pretty much have it off my phone unless I wanna post art or something :/

[weak horizon]

yeah, the brainrot on those social platforms are crazy. It's why i don't use tiktok at all, very rarely twitter same as insta. I just avoid those places and i only follow few things that i'm interested in.

[vivid oriole]

DO NOT REDEEM! 😭

[pastel forum]

My feed is better 🗿

[weak horizon]

and people tell me how cursed their X feed is. And i'm like, weird i don't see any of that, only the things that i follow. And ofc Musk but that's because he is doing that.

[vivid oriole]

Bricked feed 😭

[vivid oriole]

Well I built my feed brick by brick it's pretty much just art atp

[weak horizon]

The more cursed things you follow, the more gonna pop up, whether you like it or follow it or not. As long as you watch it, it gets in your algorithm and then to the feed.

[vivid oriole]

Twitter's algorithm is soo shit it's pretty much just engagement farming

[weak horizon]

yup

so anyone complaining about it, they can only really blame themselves for watching those kinda things in the first place.

[vivid oriole]

Like elon littreally said 70% of the traffic on the platform is bots

[burnt tartan]

I get sent like 50 from skinnyorange 😭 🙏🏾 i be watching a movie and get my dose of reels and log off and forget

sorry twin, ill do better

[vivid oriole]

Bbg what's your @ 👅

[weak horizon]

the only place where i got some really wild algorithm is pixiv... I rarely go on there, way less than twitter or instagram. Only when someone sends an art link from there.
And it shows me borderline CP as recommended next to normal art...

and i'm like yeah, i'm outta this place

[burnt tartan]

👄 its in my bio ! or just AnklesAbridged

[pastel forum]

Atleast I can show my feed to other

[burnt tartan]

My feed

😭

[pastel forum]

This is also good

[vivid oriole]

There

🫃

[pastel forum]

Ur is cooked

[vivid oriole]

Nah it's based

[pastel forum]

Full of alcohol

[vivid oriole]

Just needs a bit more racism tho 😔 ✊🏿 💔

[sullen comet]

oh my-

[vivid oriole]

😭

[burnt tartan]

Kinda normal

Mine *

[sullen comet]

lol

[weak horizon]

man i don't even have those things installed on my phone

i barely use my phone for internet surfing. It's just there to receive and make calls and messages.

[hard grove]

https://tenor.com/view/manual-do-mundo-faca-voce-mesmo-diy-servomotores-servomotors-gif-14056261

Clearly they aint a philosopher if they don’t know what little big planet is

[burnt tartan]

Ong!!!

https://tenor.com/view/sackboy-lbp-lbp2-lbp-pod-pod-gif-7447160829697955560

[ancient wharf]

Dw twin i only sent like 5 or 6

Watch em they gold

[weak horizon]

i will buy a console just to be a real philosopher

[wanton lava]

Literally my older brother's fyp

[vivid oriole]

Is he single? :D

[wanton lava]

🌚

[vivid oriole]

is that a no? 😞

[weak horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-batman-falls-in-love-close-up-gif-15191490740796280635

Nebula be like

[wanton lava]

He's promiscuous

Extremely promiscuous

I can give you his number tho

[weak horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-standing-cat-stare-stare-bruhcat-gif-22348277

[vivid oriole]

Wait you're telling me he's an alcoholic and will treat me like shit too?

[vivid oriole]

Sign me up :D

[wanton lava]

Ok bet

I'll give you his in a few hours

I forgot his number

[vivid oriole]

uhh actually on 2nd thought, don't give out your brothers number to someone you just met on discord

[wanton lava]

Tru

[vivid oriole]

It would kinda be violating his privacy ^^

[wanton lava]

I'll ask him

Thats why I said in a few hours

[wanton lava]

Your probably a guy but you'd be good friends

[vivid oriole]

Just make sure he's fine with it lol

:]

[wanton lava]

Sorry he said no 💧

[vivid oriole]

Understandable ^-^

Nw

[weak horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sad-cat-cat-depressed-depression-gif-13240550249247957481

@vivid oriole wth man 👀

[vivid oriole]

I said what I said.

[weak horizon]

🫡

[dense bane]

If you had to pick one (or a few), what is/are the “worst” thing(s)? The things that you most wish would go away? That, if solved, would clear the dark clouds—revealing a clear blue sky, and equally bright future.
<@&1305977291695718462>

[burnt tartan]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiii uhhhhhhh

[cloud flint]

For the world or for me?

[dense bane]

Both. Interested to hear now.

[weak horizon]

humans

[cloud flint]

Hmm

Give me a minute I’m going into the shower

I’ll answer after

[dense bane]

I can guess why, but could you explain to me the specifics?

Perhaps some more everyday examples?

[weak horizon]

Humanity makes everything worse for everyone else.

[burnt tartan]

i feel at a pause for this ngl, id have to think

[weak horizon]

and i don't see it would get better in the future.

[burnt tartan]

there is no everyone else if theres no humanity

[weak horizon]

we don't learn from history

[weak horizon]

so be it. I rather have everything go extinct due to some natural apocalyptic event. Than us killing and destroying everything

also life forms can survive a lot, many of the apocalyptic events too. See how new lifeforms emerged after the ice ages, after the meteor hit earth and most of the dinosaurs went extinct.

i don't think life would just easily stop existing if there weren't humans. There is proof that there was life here before us, for hundreds of millions of years

[sullen comet]

child marriage

[weak horizon]

Our biggest gift and curse/downfall is that our brain is more advanced.

[sullen comet]

hmm well, humans are humans

[weak horizon]

that we are

[cloud flint]

Ok so:

For both me and society: Emotions

Emotional misregulation and the general inability to look at things factually before making a decision and working towards a solution is what fucks up a ton of stuff. Imagine how much discourse could be avoided if we stopped feeding ego and emotions and instead channled our energy into fixing problems or coming to comprimises

For society mainly (wouldn't directly effect me): Dictatorships/Tyranny

I think authoritarian regimes are one of the worlds biggest problems. They're hard to deal with and their fallout and legacy takes even longer to clear. I'm a supporter of democracy because it's built on the foundation of proper discourse and comprimises (Ideally), and a dictatorship essencially throws that out the window in favor of power to the few, which restricts and development to what the few in charge think.

Me: Time

Most of my problems stem from urgency and nessecity. If I had more time to work through things, more time to decide what to do, more time to collect the nessicary information and think it through, I'm pretty sure most of my problems would disappear. The scope, amount, urgency, and deadlines on lifes punches is what I feel is personally challenging me in non constructive ways.

[cloud flint]

we do sometimes. Humans as a function of life, have to keep on living in order to survive, because of that, eventually we'll reach a point where we start really learning our lessons and we can focus on growing rather than cutting each other down.

[dense bane]

“The militant man attacks himself” is relevant here.

[cloud flint]

How so?

[weak horizon]

idk, i feel like when we learn, we only learn to repeat the mistakes, on purpose.

because if it worked in the past, it can work again.

[cloud flint]

There are tons of examples proving and disproving what you think

[weak horizon]

just look at the colonization

[cloud flint]

Like, one I like is child mortality

[weak horizon]

yeah, there are examplex to and against it

[cloud flint]

We’ve effectively eliminated child mortality

[dense bane]

With a common goal/enemy, we often come together. Since nothings really happening rn, we turnt on each other

[cloud flint]

Ah I see

[dense bane]

People are militant. Need shit to do

[cloud flint]

We can grow past it

[dense bane]

Don’t have problems? They’ll make them

[weak horizon]

but as long as there are examples that prove it, it doesn't matter. Because humanity are not trying to be better.

look at the Moon race or space race now

[cloud flint]

We can try to make humanity try to be better

[weak horizon]

ehm..

[cloud flint]

That’s why I want to be a writer tbf

[weak horizon]

we can try, i don't believe we will succeed

[cloud flint]

Not with that additude

[weak horizon]

because people in power have been engineering society for their own good for millennias

[weak horizon]

this isn't an attitude problem

because to make changes like that you need people in power who actually want to make good changes

those people die fast usually.

for a reason

[cloud flint]

Democracy is built on the idea that we can improve, grow and change. Sure, it isn’t perfect, there are tons of problems, but our society is built on the foundation of growth

[cloud flint]

I mean they keep on happening

[weak horizon]

democracy is a failed idea

good on paper, bad in execution

[cloud flint]

It’s just a function of time

[weak horizon]

like all the other systems

socialism isn't bad either on paper, the original idea that is

but no country has executed it well yet

[cloud flint]

Yeah

It takes time

[weak horizon]

haha

[cloud flint]

But, statistically eventually change will happen

[weak horizon]

time isn't the issue. It's the people who are in power executing them poorly

[cloud flint]

Yeah with enough time eventually even by pure chance, those in power will make a change

Also, I think you doubt the power voting has

[weak horizon]

that's just hopium

historically never happened, not that we know of at least.

is it possible? Yes

[cloud flint]

Like, the right people in power, the right organizations, and the right mindset can make change

[cloud flint]

Duh otherwise we wouldn’t have this problem

[weak horizon]

When? Well who knows, i won't be alive to witness it

[cloud flint]

Stop thinking so black and white

[weak horizon]

i'm not

[cloud flint]

Will you be alive to witness it?

[weak horizon]

no

[cloud flint]

Problably not, but thinking you definitely won’t is an excuse to not try

[weak horizon]

unless somehow i will live forever

i don't see that happening

[cloud flint]

We often don’t see

I forgot, but some guy though slavery was gonna stay around forever in the US

[weak horizon]

it's not. I'm just being realistic, because i don't see it happening anytime soon. Meaning in my life time.

[cloud flint]

it was abolished 50 y later

[weak horizon]

what if i told you... we still have slavery

[cloud flint]

You know for most of human history nothing has happened right? We live in the most volatile time, anything can happen

[cloud flint]

In the states

[weak horizon]

even for the US, i could argue that there is sitll slavery

maybe the black slavery was abolished. But there is a "new" slavery

[cloud flint]

The point I’m trying to make is it’s easy to assume no change is coming but sometimes, WHAM, shit happens

[weak horizon]

i mean i don't deny changes like that happened or can happen

i'm talking about the big picture here

[cloud flint]

The belief that we can’t change anything is what keeps us down. If we all decided to try our best and work together, we could achieve so much.

[weak horizon]

humanity doing the same crap over and over. Conflicts, hate, discrimination, etc. There is no change in those at all

could it be changed? Yes, even overnight

yet we don't do it

[cloud flint]

Those our in our nature. So were tapeworms, now they aren’t. We need likeminded individuals and people who are willing to work towards change to make the world a better place.

And even if you’re right, thats just a horrible mindset to live with. Like, what do you lose by hoping and trying your best?

[weak horizon]

you forget that majority of the humans are just sheeps who doesn't think critically, and has no common sense.
And just follow whatever their shepherds tell them.

[cloud flint]

At least then you tried, and put your best foot forward

[weak horizon]

as long as we are able to think and feel, there will be evil.

[cloud flint]

People can learn. That’s what brought us to the moon. That’s why I’m being a writer

I have faith, even if I don’t change millions of lives, I can change a few, and those few will have the capacity to change even more lives.

[weak horizon]

Then again, this is just my side my perspective. Whos to say whatever i desire is the right one? This is relative.
What if earth should be even more chaos and misery. Some people find joy in that lifestyle.

[weak horizon]

having capability to learn doesn't mean we will learn.

[cloud flint]

Convince people that learning is the best choice

Growth is one of the best feelings

Children especially, are malleable.

Have faith that we can make change, that we aren’t doomed to he slaves to nature

We’ve proven we can overcome gravity, smallpox, and so much more

[weak horizon]

yeah, the world is in need for a mental and spiritual revolution.

[cloud flint]

We got this ^-^

Anyway I go to bed

[weak horizon]

idk, those seem like small issues to me when currently the worst parasites on this planet are us.

same here, it's too late

[cloud flint]

I hope I changed your mind, or at least, planted a seed of hope.

[cloud flint]

Lol

[weak horizon]

I used to be hopeful and optimistic like you

but now i'm a doomer

[cloud flint]

I used to be a doomer like you

Lol

[weak horizon]

nope. I already had that view a decade ago

[cloud flint]

Go read way of kings

Idk

I find literature really does inspire

[weak horizon]

also you mentioned earlier dictatorship is bad

[cloud flint]

Yea?

[weak horizon]

i actually believe it could be good, and even better than any of the current systems.

[cloud flint]

It relys on the thought and decision of one person essentially

Technically yes

[weak horizon]

but the problem with kings and dictatorships in the past, was that who inherits the power next wasn't selective.

[cloud flint]

But it’s basically designed to incentivize disconnection and hate

[weak horizon]

if you create a system where you always pick one person to rule for his life. One that is a good person, it would be way better.

this 4 years term bs is crap, ineffective

[cloud flint]

Yeah the problem is the picking part

[weak horizon]

you can barely do anything in 4 years

[cloud flint]

Agreed, but even a bad president can’t fuck too much up

Like

[weak horizon]

especially when it keeps changing to different parties each 4 years

[cloud flint]

He can yell as much as he wants

But his power is still limited

And if anything

This is probably a wakeup call

[weak horizon]

idk, Trump goes really wild already

[cloud flint]

Not that shit is bad

[weak horizon]

it's only been couple of weeks lmao

not even 2 weeks

[cloud flint]

Check out the legal stuff. His power is still limited, no matter what they say

Not even the republicans want to step over bounds

[weak horizon]

i mean, sure. That is both good and bad

for the reason i mentioned earlier.

[cloud flint]

Yeah

[weak horizon]

this is why presidents can't do shit in 4 years

first two years is spent to get approvals

then finally start doing shit

and then it's too late and new elections are coming

[cloud flint]

That’s why I think RCV with longer term limits would be good

[weak horizon]

RCV?

[cloud flint]

If we have gov where other candidates are a threat, and we eliminate it as an easy way to get a good retirement, lots can change

[cloud flint]

Ranked choice voting

CGP grey has a good vid on it

[weak horizon]

hmm yeah idk what that would be

[cloud flint]

If we make leadership appealing to the selfless and unappealing to the selfish, so much could be done

[cloud flint]

Basically it’s a way to eliminate the two party system

[weak horizon]

yeah but people think too binary when it comes to voting..

left or right.. this or that...

no other option

[cloud flint]

Because that’s how the systems designed, if other parties had a chance, it wouldn’t be so

[weak horizon]

this division in society is already a huge flaw

[cloud flint]

Yes

We are definitely binary creatures

But again, I think it’s something we can grow past

I think I’ve done a good job of thinking dynamically

[weak horizon]

once someone comes up with a very appealing new party, sure.

[cloud flint]

Search up RCV

it isn’t about making an appealing party

Its about changing system

[weak horizon]

yeah that's not the best way to put it

[weak horizon]

yeah that's what i meant to say

[cloud flint]

Ah

Alr

[weak horizon]

we need a new system, but to change the system, you need to create a party, that would do the change

and for that.. you have to make that party appealing

you know, convince the people that hey, we are a new party with new ideas. Those are the changes we would make if we win, and this is how we would run the country

[cloud flint]

Yeah

That’s above my expertise lol

[weak horizon]

otherwise you would have to overthrow the government by force ×D

[cloud flint]

My goal is to hopefully inspire the people who are capable of said work

[weak horizon]

you won't just get in seat and do what you want

[cloud flint]

Still gotta convince ppl for that

[weak horizon]

you have to take it by force, or get the favor of the people

and having followers is more powerful than having an army.

[cloud flint]

Yea

Well I go to bed

[weak horizon]

same

🫡

[cloud flint]

Despair is easy, hope is hard, stay hard

Ok gn

[weak horizon]

good night

[fresh grail]

Mosquitos

[pastel forum]

doesn't agree with u everything has both good or bad sides

[wanton lava]

Celsius

[weak horizon]

yeah i know that. I didn't say every human are like that, i said humanity as a whole had that effect on this planet, and still continues to do so. Sure we are doing some good here and there, but the bad out-weight the good by a lot.

[pastel forum]

saying humanity includes all human beings tbh

[weak horizon]

Yeah it does, but still to the point i'm trying to make it doesn't matter. My point is not that every human is just doing bad things. But we as a species, do bad to our environment.

We do more bad than good.

[pastel forum]

yes

[ember tulip]

Moral Knowledge

[pastel forum]

!philosophy

[azure fractal]

racism

[azure fractal]

oh wow i totally disagree w the emotions part

i would hate to be unable to feel love

[cloud flint]

You wouldn't be able to hate either lmao

the arguement could be more nuanced and I see where you're coming from

[rustic dragon]

Taxesssss (need to start working on them 😅)

And bad people so I could go on long walks with absolutely no worries. :>

(Or rather, violence

[median fern]

for me it'd be the people that i dont like 🔥

everything would be better if I didn't have to deal with certain individuals

[azure fractal]

but i love more than i hate

the beauty of being alive is how much we feel

like. idk i feel like that’s such a bleh existence

[ornate hazel]

Isn't the sunset beautiful

[sullen comet]

it isss

wait

Cass

don't leave :(

[ornate hazel]

Huh I'm not leaving

Where did you get that from

[sullen comet]

lol

[ornate hazel]

WAIT WHAT LMAO

I ddint realised

[ornate hazel]

but those people are loved by others too. Everyone has their place, even if they’re not for us

[median fern]

yea but im a narcissist...

[weak horizon]

I disagree with this. I think hope is very easy way of thinking. Because you just hope for the best and have no drive or motive for a change.
Despair however causes internal suffering, which can also lead to external suffering. Suffering is hard.
And suffering gives you a reason to fight for a change.
And that is what's really hard, fighting. Fighting for a change, fighting for things to get better. Nothing will change if we are not doing anything for it.

[cloud flint]

Yeah, It just sounds nice. More accurate is

“Using despair as an excuse for inaction is easy. True strength is having the belief that you can make a difference, no matter how small, and taking the next steps with that belief in hand.”

[pastel forum]

sunrise is more beautiful

[ancient wharf]

Both are equally beautiful

[wanton lava]

I live in socal so the sunsets are peak

[jade star]

I still remember the first time i saw one

I felt like it was the most beautiful thing ive ever seen

[heady heart]

To shower or not to shower

[ancient wharf]

Haha cool sunset

[pastel forum]

sunrise >>

[weak horizon]

yes shower

[pastel forum]

@hexed raptor has best sunrise pic

[burnt tartan]

Shower you musk rat

[hexed raptor]

:))

[wanton lava]

I agree

[jade star]

Fuk me this looks majestic ty

[cloud flint]

<@&1305977291695718462> what is the best verse in ERB?

https://www.youtube.com/@ERB

[graceful stump]

Moses verse

The guy that did moses started a rap career cos of that

[hexed raptor]

:))

[ember tulip]

Moral Knowledge is not the same as objective knowledge and theoretical knowledge but akin to Practical Knowledge but still different

[ornate hazel]

Damn that's so beautiful 😭

[hexed raptor]

i climbed uphill 15-17 km for this

[ornate hazel]

How long did it take

[hexed raptor]

2 days

[ornate hazel]

Damn impressive

[pastel forum]

u shouldn't check strength like that

https://tenor.com/view/push-up-gif-20254046

if u can't do this ur weak

[stone osprey]

real

[weak horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-7tv-gif-17891567587089381962

[dense bane]

little mouse

[hasty rain]

@sullen comet thiz

[sullen comet]

i was talking about kebler at that time too lol

[hasty rain]

naw bro i swear u had a irl boyfriend

I swear am not delulu

unless youre not the kat i used to talk to b4 😭

[sullen comet]

i am 😭

[hasty rain]

HMMMM

[sullen comet]

i just didn’t mention if he was online or irl

lol

[pastel forum]

@ancient wharf

[ancient wharf]

More like a forced marriage in a random slum*

[pastel forum]

i saw news like these whenever i see reels

[ancient wharf]

No offence but its india

No wonder

India bangladesh pakistan infamous for these things

[dense bane]

reels not statistics

[ancient wharf]

Yeah that too

[pastel forum]

but things like that are happening

[dense bane]

same as planche

[ancient wharf]

Its the persons fault

Not the systems fault

[dense bane]

not everyone can PL even if all of them can on IG

[pastel forum]

ig?

[dense bane]

instagram

[pastel forum]

[pastel forum]

fake athletes?

[dense bane]

no

they are real

[pastel forum]

ss on doing pl?

[dense bane]

idk what u want to prove

but thats not average

same how ppl who can a planche are not average

[pastel forum]

bro india is cooked

[dense bane]

ur brain

[pastel forum]

maybe

[dense bane]

i will prefer to look at statistics

[dense bane]

women are not worse than men imo

[pastel forum]

i never said women are worse

i just saying scary things are happening

[ancient wharf]

Haha its all cool when a billionare does it

I hate all rich people

[dense bane]

sure , but the post said ''average''

[pastel forum]

arrange

[dense bane]

mb

lol

then is fine

i agree

[dense bane]

better no news

[pastel forum]

my feed is cooked

[ancient wharf]

💀

Bro found a money glitch

[dense bane]

cool things happen too

[pastel forum]

cool

[dense bane]

hes cool

[pastel forum]

yes

also me one day

[dense bane]

😂 a bit yea

[dense bane]

yes

[dense bane]

@pastel forum btw mb , sry bc i didnt understand

[dense bane]

Causality and Decisions

Given a goal, I aim for the “best” choice in every moment; every component.

However, I’ve lost blood to a point that I’ve begun to falter and wobble. It’s a difficult thing to toil with, and felt a need to change how I handle things.
I took to the internet.

A video that stood out to me regarding the subject at hand made a point that went along the lines of, “Just pick something; you can make it work, or pivot if you need. Most decisions aren’t permanent.”

This struck me as odd.

All decisions have the potential to be fatal.

One wrong move can spur consequences unseen; the culmination of which collapses the sky; crushing you to death in a naive dismay.

Before you say it, I recognize this works the other way around. That is to say, that the choice can also bring about the future desired; as opposed to sealing a fate unwanted.

I would still argue that our odds are always better with the “right” decision.

Sure, you could in some roundabout—intricate way, grasp the flag pole after the biggest series of L’s known to man.

But setting up circumstances for success by making the “correct” decision is surely easier to have faith in than the alternative, no?

Any thoughts on this, <@&1305977291695718462>?

[cloud flint]

Huh

[dense bane]

What’s up?

[weak horizon]

so what's the question or dilemma?

making decisions and the potential aftereffects of decisions?

[dense bane]

It’s not either. I just asked if you had any thoughts

I often leave with a better understanding of things when I bounce stuff off other people

Less of a “what do I do” and more of a “let’s discuss and share.”

[cloud flint]

Just statistics really. Everything has a chance of killing you, but also the chance to make you a millionaire, but those chances are outside of the realm of legitimate possibility, so we basically pretend they’re impossible

[weak horizon]

well, we can never know whether our decisions will be good or bad, even if you think you did the right thing. Because it's all relative and differs from perspectives.

[dense bane]

You can always predict.

There’s no such thing as a guarantee; only probability.

However, circumstances moved and manipulated can definitely make a future more likely.

“Differs from perspectives” is pretty interesting though.

I’m pretty sure causality is unchanging; universal.

Or at least, “more so”, as gross of a simplification that is.

What happens happened. There’s not a lot to interpret from a bullet wound or a stack of benjamins in hand

[coarse glade]

i think being yourself is important when making choices
what feels right

[dense bane]

I guess I’m having a hard time understanding.

I don’t trust assurance without credibility.

A feeling backed by nothing but intuition is a dangerous thing.

The faculty with which it was fathered could be misled or wrong via a variety of factors.

Kinda like trusting a broken compass when you have a gps.
It might work, but considering the coordinates is always safer, albeit tedious.

[sullen comet]

life isn't life without risk

if i didn't follow my intuition, i wouldn't have a bf rn

if i didn't follow my intuition, i probably would be a totally different person today

[dense bane]

Then again, there were times it succeeded at the crucial moment I needed it to.

I’m wary nonetheless.

[sullen comet]

sometimes it's better to take the risk than the safer pathway
yeah sure, maybe you can go the safer pathway and not take a leap of faith but honestly, you'll never learn until you take some risks cause some things are meant to be learned through experience

and that's where risks comes in

sometimes you don't have to make the logical decision. emotional decisions are actually good for you. of course, it just depends on the situation but yk

[weak horizon]

in the case of broken compass and GPS while being out in the wild. I would rather trust nature.

there are ways to locate N W E S by looking at the stars, moss on trees, shadows, etc.

[dense bane]

That’s why history is so incredibly valuable.

“Men learn from their mistakes. Wise men learn from the mistakes of others.”

Countless people throughout time have labored under the shadow of faults made years in the past; taking the lesson and moving forward in spite of the steep price they paid.

It’s rather admirable.

However, I don’t need to do that.

I can and already have learnt from them; much of the hard work’s been done.

It’s true though, that there will come a point that my island respite, soil formed out of the ashes of those who once were, will eventually find itself flooded with waters of chaos.

By then, my vessel will be ready for the perilous voyage.

[grizzled venture]

Moss on trees is usually not gonna work for you

[weak horizon]

depends where you are i guess

it doesn't work everywhere

i'm just saying there are many ways to tell direction

[dense bane]

All of varying degrees of accuracy

[grizzled venture]

I mean yeah, but don't think that's the point

[weak horizon]

well, he said he would trust GPS in situation like that, i wouldn't

technology can have flaws, and can bug or glitch

humans have been able to tell directions and time without fancy technology for a long time

[sullen comet]

that's why we don't repeat those mistakes lol. history isn't going to teach us every mistakes we shouldn't make tho. that's why i said that sometimes, we have to learn through experience and not really something we'll really understand or get until it actually happens to us (however this is different to everyone cause one person can know from hearing it and then someone else has to actually learn it by experience cause he just stubborn or something lol). but there's also a couple cases where one's mistake is another blessing (people make the same action: to some it's a fail (a mistake) and to other it's a success (a blessing))

like i said. life isn't life without risk. and plus, it wouldn't be fun to live if there wasn't some risk involved :p

[dense bane]

I agree! I was conveying the same.

[sullen comet]

oh 😭

i didn't understand what most of what you said tbh 💀

metaphors are definitely not my strength lol

[dense bane]

That’s okay! I always ask for clarification if I’m having trouble understanding. I’d be happy to explain further should you ever need it.

[sullen comet]

lol same. sometimes i be thinking i understand it when i actually didn't :p

[dense bane]

We’re all stupid and smart in different ways

[sullen comet]

LOL

true

i just tend to be a little slow but i do eventually realize stuff after a mistake or two :p

[dense bane]

So to be more literal, trusting nature means accepting the uncertainty of an outcome? Whichever way the wind blows sorta thing?

[weak horizon]

is the laws of nature uncertain?

they can be proven by science and physics

[dense bane]

I suppose trusting one’s gut could be included under the same umbrella. Decisions made via an unfounded feeling reminds the reader of instincts, which could definitely be associated with nature.

[weak horizon]

nature has a cyclical behaviour, and that's why it can be predicted often, and can be understood.

if anything it's the most certain thing you can rely on

but you need to know an understand nature for that

[rustic dragon]

I do hope you recover 🫂

[dense bane]

I think you’re onto something.

I definitely agree that nature or reality has displayed a similar, pattern-like behavior.

Fractals illustrate the way I imagine it perfectly.

Reality often repeats itself, but in a randomized way; each and every iteration. No two are the same.

It’s why we’re able to make connections at all. Something similar happened in the past, and is now happening in the present. They both have different circumstances, but there is still a relevant link to be made.

All thanks to that cycle.

Like a Minecraft seed generator. It’s still Minecraft; all the basic mechanics are there. Even so, the landscape, ore placement, and mob spawns are all unique to that one instance.

https://tenor.com/view/frank-the-tank-gif-11912577

[dense bane]

Thank you

[vivid oriole]

Not to be that guy but (🤓☝🏿) Perlin noise the algorithm outputs a pseudo-random value with basically determis the characteristics of a seed, and it's not that unique it's pretty much just all preset, so your analogy doesn't really work here

But I get what your trying to say<3

(this point is only here because you were trying to compair algorithms to patterns)

Which are not really the same anyways I'll GET OUT-

[dense bane]

I didn’t think it was very good either

[ember tulip]

we had this set 1 exam for ethics

and the question is

"Is morality still matters today"

[dense bane]

yes

[ember tulip]

expound it

[dense bane]

if not exist only one rule

[ember tulip]

in essay form

coherence and organize: 40 percent, quality insights: 50 percent, styling: 10 percent

[dense bane]

''only the strong survive''

wich is not the best way for a civilization

also we dont have to change what it works

[ember tulip]

if you don't have a grounded reason to do so

[dense bane]

i think is normal to dont kill ppl , to dont abuse others bc that creates lot of pain and is not even urself for society

[jade star]

Morals is what kept us alive so far

[dense bane]

i agee

[jade star]

If nobody had morals it would be chaos and anarchy

[ember tulip]

yes

[jade star]

If everyone had them then we would be too rigid

[ember tulip]

its not only about identifying right or wrongs, its about how we create careful-rational decisions to do so

[dense bane]

hope have the most important ones

[jade star]

Morals define us as different from each other and show our individuality

[ember tulip]

people who commit wrongdoings are ignorant people

[jade star]

Not necessarily

[ember tulip]

unless with a reason

[jade star]

Thats a short sighted way to look at it

[dense bane]

must be rational

[jade star]

What about people stealing just to survive

[ember tulip]

careful and rational

[jade star]

Or someone who was raised impoverished

[ember tulip]

i guess so

[jade star]

Hell people also have dispositions to crimes

Like psychopaths

[dense bane]

ideal is to find a better way

[jade star]

Saying morals is something white and black is very childish

[dense bane]

few of them are

[ember tulip]

morals is not really more about white and black overall

[jade star]

Its grey

[dense bane]

abuse isnt moral in any way

[wanton lava]

There are genes that have negative effects

[jade star]

A lot of them were abused in their childhood

[wanton lava]

No matter how much rmtherapy they willvbe a psychopath

[dense bane]

yes , is not right to do the same

[jade star]

What i mean is its hard to act on a way you know is right but havent seen before in your life

[dense bane]

as time they try

to change

u can understand why ppl abuse others but that doesnt make the actions moral

imo

[jade star]

But morality is subjective considering they dont know whats right

Besides we made up morality

That shit dont exist in nature

[dense bane]

some things are wrong for everyone

[dense bane]

we dont have to change it too much

dont change what it works

[jade star]

There is objectively wrong and objectively good i do agree

[dense bane]

yes

some things are gray

but some are black and white

[weak horizon]

yes and no, depends on the place and time. Sometimes it matters sometimes it doesn't.

social norms or trends are more important these days

and of course certain superpowers will dictate what is morally right or wrong.

and the sheeps follow that

[weak horizon]

they could instead not steal and still survive. It's just an easy way out, but also stupid because it can have bad consequences.

[ornate hazel]

Is "robin hood" morally ethical? <@&1305977291695718462>

[grizzled venture]

Like stealing from rich and giving to poor?

[ornate hazel]

Yep

[grizzled venture]

Yeah, don't think stealing is morally ethical at all

Even if you are stealing from someone rich

[ornate hazel]

Wait wait wait I'll brb

[weak horizon]

no

[ornate hazel]

Well I mean he was helping people who were starving and suffering under unfair rulers

The rich in his time gained their wealth through oppression and heavy taxation, so wasn’t he simply js restoring justice?

Like for example if someone takes something unjustly, is it truly wrong to reclaim it and return it to those that deslperately need it

[dense bane]

no , some ppl are just dumb and dont know how to use money

in general they are poor

better u educate them

[grizzled venture]

I understand his motives, but it's still stealing

But hmm, it's really questionable

Like I definitely wouldn't judge him for what he's done

But still can't say it's moraly ethical

[dense bane]

rn in our society things are better , u can become rich

if u have knowhow

also we are not poor

[grizzled venture]

I mean in Europe we are pretty good about that, but in some foreign countries there is basically no ethical way to get rich

If you are not lucky

[dense bane]

sad

[dense bane]

luck happen if u work

[grizzled venture]

If you don't have where to work?

[dense bane]

u can find i belive , now idk hows in North Korea

[grizzled venture]

You can be disabled and physically not be able to work

[dense bane]

harder , but depends how disabled

[grizzled venture]

Completely paralyzed

[dense bane]

like u can find ways to work well if u still have a healthy brain and 2 or one hand

[dense bane]

then is complicated , u can hope for tehnology

[grizzled venture]

In Europe? Sure. In counties like South Sudan? I really doubt that

[weak horizon]

the idea behind robinhood's actions is not just simply stealing from rich. But started with specific rich people, ones that take advantage of the poor. So it was rather a revenge motive, and not just stealing.

which sure might sound good, but responding to a bad action with a bad action is just going to cause more bad actions potentially.

it's an endless circle of hate begets hate, eye for an eye

it's a bad mindset

[burnt tartan]

Depends on someone's morals and what they find is more important

[dense bane]

Realest answer

[dense bane]

i agree

[steady hull]

frrr

I BELIEVE IN SARA > SARAH RIGHTS

[fresh grail]

It's a 20% discount so as a Jew I approve

[steady hull]

can i get this discount in jew york too?

[paper trellis]

questionable but yes why not

stealing may be illegal sure but he helped others

if i could steal and not go to jail

jeff bezos would be broke nr

[weak horizon]

👀

[fresh grail]

You can try

[wanton lava]

Deja vu moment

[wanton lava]

If you had to become as smart as possible in 30 days how would you do it?

<@&1305977291695718462>

[sullen comet]

define smart

[wanton lava]

G, or general factor

[sullen comet]

soo iq?

[wanton lava]

Yeah

[weak horizon]

just born with high iq, ez

[wanton lava]

I'm 2 away from being gifted

College apps will be easier

[sullen comet]

critical thinking subjects: math/science, chess, instruments, acquiring new skills, etc.

basically dedicate yourself to learn until your brain hurts

[ornate hazel]

Nothing, cause I'm already the smartest person alive 😼

[ancient wharf]

What is that name🤨🤨

[dense bane]

I got in her head

[azure fractal]

they will not

they dont look at ur iq lol