PHILOSOPHY CHANNEL

[dense bane]

is hard enough for me

isnt easy to be honest and kind but not stupid

[cloud flint]

No more like it creates “rails” for morals

It is an easier to understand path towards morality and being good

Though as much as rails can assist they can also limit the scope of someones morality

It’s not that religion = morals but religion can help develop morals

But yeah I get what you mean

Religion is just one of many ways to develop your moral and ethical beliefs

[celest bridge]

I've just heard the argument that you can't have morality without religion and I just feel like that's incorrect.

[dense bane]

yes it is

but religion isnt just about morality

[cloud flint]

Yeah I dusagree eith that

[dusty oasis]

Awful ppl that are supposedly religios, are not religious truly

I understand how that is off puting

[dusty oasis]

Morals are based on religions

[dusty oasis]

I mean if sou are from USA from example your morals are built on Christianity

[dense bane]

idk that

i think ur ture in a sense

but also some things are like DNA

for all humans some things are moral

like killing humans is wrong

[dense bane]

more or less

yes

[dense bane]

u can have morality without realigion

sure

but idk if that will be strong enough

[dusty oasis]

Yeah that is true

[dusty oasis]

Yeah, religiom like, sharpens it

[dense bane]

yes

more like that

also as humans we cant be 100% moral

or i cant be and i belive others cant

sure others are more moral than me

[dusty oasis]

Yes we cant

[dense bane]

thats why i need to be saved

[dusty oasis]

Its very hard to be worst of the worst and u definetly dont seem like it lol

[dusty oasis]

Like all yeah

Whoever doesent belive thex are corrupted with imorrality isisnt honest with themselves

[dense bane]

is easy to get worse

[dusty oasis]

Yeah its apealing to humans, sin

We simply just imfecfed with it

[dense bane]

i think yes

[dense bane]

like that

in our nature

and we need to be saved and some discipline

both

to realize what problems u are getting into and to change (thats for me sure)

[cloud flint]

No. Otherwise you’d be implying anyone who hasn’t read a religious text is immoral

[dusty oasis]

No, in society values aee based on religion, religion says to help those in need so thats why in society that is found good for example that stuff. Relifion had effect on society and theie morals

Everyone expect ppl in like primitive isolated tribes has been affected by religion

[cloud flint]

if you help those in need soley because your told to maybe your not a good person

[dusty oasis]

Im saying rhat religion has put emhasis on that stuff

[cloud flint]

ethics are socital morals, and every individuals ethics is different

[dusty oasis]

Yes but they are built on religion

[cloud flint]

I'd argue most people past 2000 don't have their moral framework centred around religion

the world is already becoming less religous and we don't need religion to make proper morals

[dusty oasis]

Yes in future religion is gona have less and less effect

And people will care less about morals, i mean its already happening

[cloud flint]

It does but with proper education and rolemodles we can achieve better morals

no

the world has become a better place in the past 200 years

both in technology and moral

we've stopped killing gay people for existing

[dusty oasis]

Comfort wise yes, im sasinf that people are less moral

In some ways more and in some less i admit

[cloud flint]

we've started listening to each other rather than killing each other over disagreements (for the most part)

[dusty oasis]

For example sexual immorallity is more and more promoted as fine ans i find that immoral ofc

[cloud flint]

another thing is also religion railroads morals

there is no room for growth in religious morals

[dusty oasis]

Wdsm

[cloud flint]

because the assertion is "god made these morals that we should follow"

[dusty oasis]

That is true because we think its from God so it cant get better yeah

[cloud flint]

but that's just wrong

unless you belive that gay people deserve stoning and women deserve less rights then your immoral according to most religions

[dusty oasis]

Yes

[cloud flint]

that's such an arrogant way to live and leads to things like the crusades

[dusty oasis]

Yes thats good

[dusty oasis]

Old testament was more harsh than new testament, i belive God displayed more of his judgement in ot and then displayed more mercy since and of ot

[dusty oasis]

Also ik that bible in ot has violent stuff but i dont remrmber abything abt stoining gay ppl are u even talkinf abt bible

[cloud flint]

I'm speaking about religion as a whole, but yes the bible has examples of homophobia, racism, slavery, ect

besides, the point of morals is to serve humankind

religion has become a hinderance to development rather than a benefit to it

we've lost 900 years of technological development to it

(the dark ages)

[dusty oasis]

In Bible theres verse that woman should submit to man. I already debated this but basically i belive in traditional mindset that males should be leaders and that doesent mena woman should just shut up and listen to whatever. If male is normal in the head and they feel comfratable with him they should trust him but ofc they can think too lol.

[dusty oasis]

Ik abt slavery, idk abt racism and ik yes gay is sin but where were they stoining homksexuals

If there was no religion we would have much more holocausts and stuff

Also how dark was sssr which was based on atheism too

[cloud flint]

devils advocate women are technically speaking better at exective function than men

[dusty oasis]

I think you have very good point and i definetly wanna resarch stuff more but i think u are not realizing how important religion was and still is

[cloud flint]

all testostrone really does is increase aggression and ego as well as muscle development

if anything women are more level headed and disciplined

they mature faster too

also

[dusty oasis]

Wdym

[dusty oasis]

Thats why there are more army generals and more males in masculine jobs cuz of that stuff and ego makes you strive to be a leader its all bilogical

[cloud flint]

the crusades lasted 200 years and killed ~1 to 9 million deaths

this is in 1000 AD

the population was 20 million maximum

[dusty oasis]

Yeah males strive for dumb stuff we like to challange each other especially boys and teens but males are generally less soft than women too because od biology sk they should do tough job of being a leader

[dusty oasis]

I dont know much history but crusades were defense from muslims werent they?

[cloud flint]

it's muddy, you can ask a dozen ppl and get a dozen answers but the crusades at the heart of it killed half the worlds population because of religous conflict

[dusty oasis]

Muslim were spreading themselves through countries, and slowly were going to spain, and Christians simply were defending their land

[cloud flint]

I’m not saying religion hasn’t been important but in the modern day religion serves no use

[sullen comet]

it can give people hope when they see life as hopeless

or a purpose in life when they can’t find any

or to help set a firm boundary on morals

[dusty oasis]

Yes it does lol alwqys will a ton of charities arw religion inspired lol

What atheism gives lol, could give depression and emptiness because of that nhillist view

[cloud flint]

yeah definitly, but nothing that it does is mutually exclusive

[ancient wharf]

the crusaders were Christian warriors who waged wars against Muslim empires in the medieval period, seeking to reclaim holy lands and territories.

correct me if im wrong

[dusty oasis]

I cant idk history u heard different thing than me obivously which shows bias for both of us prob so yeah

[cloud flint]

scientific progression and optimisim at humanities ability to do better

[ancient wharf]

nah u can just look it up on google its not that hard

[cloud flint]

if you've ever used modern medicine or used an engineered structure

you can thank science for that

[sullen comet]

not really, it’s possible to find contentment without religion

[cloud flint]

while people destroy each other over political and religious beliefs science has allowed us to go to the moon

if religion makes you feel comfortable and gives you a place in the world, that's fine

my problem is more undying belief and religious institutions

[dusty oasis]

There are religipus scientists and a lot were in history, in this new age only really positove thing is more freedom of speech and that, we if im gona be honest there is less for us religious people. There is for example one video of guy that wejt on that coca cola machine thingy that allowy you to write somethinf on a can and he was able to write name of ans god edepct word Jesus. Also christianity is mocekd in movies, music videos and where not. There is idea of accepting everyone but obivously there is bias for secular mindset now. Also with nihilism nothing matters so that promites aboslutely nor optimism lol no wonder why there are more mental helath issues than ever before

[cloud flint]

there are more mental health issues because we have no real problems lol

[cloud flint]

science goes against the very essence of religion. It asks us to question and test everything, and if we can't prove something to find a better understanding to fill our ignorance.

[sullen comet]

i think a lot has to do with the american diet and lifestyle in general tbf

[cloud flint]

yep

[dusty oasis]

Yes ofc, just because ur religious doesent mean ur anti science lol but religion is more helpful in mental aspect

[cloud flint]

also partially maybe becasue we have time to deal with mental health now

[cloud flint]

yeah

[dusty oasis]

Thats also true but nihilism is also very deppresive

[sullen comet]

not every non christian has nihilism

;-;

[cloud flint]

I do envy the comfort and community that religion brings, but the problem is it becomes tied to an institution. Look at the catholic church or the taliban

[dusty oasis]

Atheism is nihillism tho, there cant be true morals then for example if there is no God

[cloud flint]

I do belive there is someone watching over us just not who we beilve in

[sullen comet]

hmm ig. most of it honestly has to do with dopamine overuse imo

[cloud flint]

like

survivorship bias

[dusty oasis]

Yeah i think religion should not be tied to institution too

[cloud flint]

all the metally struggling ppl died before

[sullen comet]

yeah i hate it how religion is corrupted

[cloud flint]

but it inherintly is. It's tied to a book or a church or whatever

[dusty oasis]

What is it, im curious

[cloud flint]

We can't know

we have to try our best and make our own calls

[cloud flint]

morals are here to serve us, thats it

[dusty oasis]

Yeah

Do u belive in some type of creator

[cloud flint]

back to what I was saying, if there is a god it's not something we can understand or comprehend, simply a being of such immense power and knowledge our own understanding and rationality can't understand it

[dusty oasis]

Im late in responding cuz my internet is trash btw

[cloud flint]

yes I do

well

it's complicated

I belive in science

[dusty oasis]

Christians belive they canr understand God

[cloud flint]

but I belive past science there is soemthing

[dusty oasis]

That science will eventually discover it?

[cloud flint]

which, in my opinion, is damn arrogant.

[cloud flint]

no we will never truely understand or comprehend it

that's fine

[dusty oasis]

How, we belive we sre infected with sin so we cant understand perfectly moral being

[cloud flint]

sorry?

[dusty oasis]

Why so i mean for us christians it would be problem if science discovers God because that contradicts idea od faith

[dusty oasis]

?

Why do you think in ur view science would never find a creator

[cloud flint]

because if we can comprehend it, how can it be a god?

we don't see truth, we are evolutionary created to see in whatever way benefits our survival the most

besides, a god would have to surpass all the logical fallacies and ideas that prevent it's existence in order to exist

[cloud flint]

science works on mesurment and repittiton.

if I can mesure a god, it's not omnipotent

also it's weird, but I don't belive god should be worshipped

if it exists it doesn't "care" for us in the way we would see it

[dusty oasis]

Oh i get u

[cloud flint]

the thing with religion that exists currently, it asserts that they have an actionable understanding on god and how we should act becasue of god

this is an immensly arrogant belief to hold

[dusty oasis]

True

Interesting

Btw do u know that bible mentions dinosaurs in book of job, some being that are described akd dedinetly remind of dinosaue

[cloud flint]

Dragons are based on dinosaurs so I'm not suprised

[cloud flint]

like a simple one that "breaks" the idea of omnipotence is can god make a box god cannot lift

if he can we've created something that surpasses god

if not god isn't omnipotent

[dusty oasis]

There is behemoth creature its desciebed as tall and grass eatinf its not dragon described, that is something

[cloud flint]

yeah what I mean is ancient ppl had dinousaur bones but didn't know what they are, which is cool

it makes me cringe how many fossils probably have been lost because a medival pesant thought it was some rock

it isn't hard to imagine whoever wrote that passage of the bible saw a bone from a dinosaur and was like "that's cool as shit, lets add it to the book"

[dusty oasis]

Yeah that is very complex. I mean if he would do that that means there is slace for more it would make him not all powerful so not God he would make himself weaker and that would not make him God yeah. He cant contradict himself he would be a liar if he would do that so yeah. Its really just harminf himself if he would do that but God cant make decision that is harmful for him

[dusty oasis]

Xd

[cloud flint]

yeah, if god exists it would have to surpass everything we know and percieve

[dusty oasis]

I mean no way they dug in that time a lot enough to find huge fossil of dinosaur, if so how would they know it ate grass

[cloud flint]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

idk the bible is full of cool stuff even though I don't see it as truth, and I have to go now

[dusty oasis]

Exactly, that is something u gotta admit

[cloud flint]

it's been nice talking to you dude, I'll cya around

[cloud flint]

it's a little weak but it could just be a coicidence

like you eat meat or vegatbles

they had 50% chance to get it right

also you can tell by the bone structure

actually

that's probably how

they found part of a skull

saw the teeth were similar to their grazing cattle and made the connection

science!

[dusty oasis]

Nah if i were to see it then i would definetly not think it eats leaves only lol

15 “Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
17 Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.
18 Its bones are tubes of bronze,
its limbs like rods of iron.
19 It ranks first among the works of God,
yet its Maker can approach it with his sword.
20 The hills bring it their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.
21 Under the lotus plants it lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.
22 The lotuses conceal it in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround it.
23 A raging river does not alarm it;
it is secure, though the Jordan should surge against its mouth.
24 Can anyone capture it by the eyes,
or trap it and pierce its nose?"

@cloud flint here are verses

[dusty oasis]

I mean possible but this is something

I forgot how that dinosaur type it describes is called, those tall ones that eat leaves lol

[cloud flint]

Brontosaurus

[wanton lava]

Could an all powerful being create a rock so heavy he couldn't bench press it?

[ornate hazel]

Bruh

[wanton lava]

?

i changed it

[ornate hazel]

That question is a basically a logical fallacy designed to create a paradox, and it isnbt a valid challenge to God's omnipotence

Omnipotence means doing what is logically possible, not engaging in meaningless contradictions

[wanton lava]

i changed it

[ornate hazel]

The answer still stands

[dense bane]

fr

[dense bane]

God is paradox

we cant understand

we are limited by laws of universe

[ornate hazel]

Fr

Gods nature is beyond human logic

[dense bane]

i belive same

[dense bane]

he can , we are that box

we have some free will

[dense bane]

only mental issue i have is when im feel meaningless

but now happens rare

compared with 3-4 years ago

[dense bane]

depends , now if u study taoism u will see how humans can be in peace with nothing (they are not ateists or teists , is more like a asiatic version of stoicism)

Idk if it works

for me dont works well

life feels just meh

i like many things from taoist philosophy

but i dont belive it

i just like simplicity and moderation

probably thats why some asians live a lot

:))

( im christian and i belive in Jesus who saved us , i just like some ideas from other philosophies or religions )

[dusty oasis]

btw for behemoth some argue that it could be elephant or hippo but i dont think so because they dont have very long tail like a dinosaur so it doesent remind of cedar tree which is tall

[dense bane]

^ that for me

[dense bane]

^also for me

[dense bane]

crusades was wrong

but they didnt applied teachings of Jesus

[dusty oasis]

idk abt it much so im gona have no view on it for now

[dense bane]

some ppl use church for power

thats a problem

[dusty oasis]

oh ok

[dense bane]

even in modern times

[dusty oasis]

yeah def

[dense bane]

but in medieval times

[dusty oasis]

yeah

wehn they were selling sacraments

btw what denomination are u

[dense bane]

church was stronger than any country

so u can imagine

:/

[dusty oasis]

yeh

[dense bane]

was realy bad

[dusty oasis]

btw what denomination are u

[dense bane]

yes and that is just only one

was much more problems

[dusty oasis]

yeah

[dense bane]

rn im not

[sullen comet]

most*

[dense bane]

im very new

[dusty oasis]

lol same

ah

[dense bane]

i think small ones are fine

and most of the ppl have a role in the church

[sullen comet]

yeah
i mean there's a lot of megachurches in my state so

[dense bane]

i think i will "be" Baptist but that just bc i like that church

[dusty oasis]

those are bad yeah

[dense bane]

make sense

[dusty oasis]

ah, i live in catholic country so obv i was however their theology i dont find good

[sullen comet]

i mean i was a reformed baptist when i was more devout

[dusty oasis]

but like i really like tradition look of catholics and ortodox christians

[coarse glade]

i'm an atheist

[dense bane]

:))

[dense bane]

oki

[coarse glade]

yup

[dense bane]

yes

[coarse glade]

do you believe in god?

[dense bane]

yes

[coarse glade]

cool

[dense bane]

i can apreciate them

[dusty oasis]

lutherans have nice chruches too imo

[dense bane]

but ortodox have some problems with tradition

that i dont like

[dusty oasis]

ah

[dense bane]

i mean fake sories

[grizzled venture]

Yo, this exists

[dusty oasis]

oh

[dusty oasis]

yes awesome channel lol

[grizzled venture]

You are talking about Christianity, I see

[dense bane]

are not in Bible but gives the same importance as for Bible (not all of them)

[dusty oasis]

oh

[dense bane]

depends

now yes

[dusty oasis]

pretty often lol

[dusty oasis]

btw do u know abt behemoth in bible in book of job

[dense bane]

btw sry for my english ( i think to learn some grammar )

[dusty oasis]

many think it is describing a dinosaur me too lol

[dense bane]

yes , should to be a big animal

[dusty oasis]

dinosaur i belive

[dense bane]

is possible yes

[dusty oasis]

like i doubt elephant or hippo because their tail is not super tall or big so its not like cedar tree

[grizzled venture]

There was something like that in multiple places I believe

[dusty oasis]

its a very strong source of faith for me imo

[dusty oasis]

ik that that other creature it mentions is in other books of bible but idk about behemoth

[dense bane]

fr

[dense bane]

i think yes

[grizzled venture]

Not sure if this particular word

[dusty oasis]

ah

im gona be honest i dislike reading but i forced myslef to read entire bible however i dont remember a ton

my favorite books are job, proverbs eclisiastis and that

[grizzled venture]

I read only some parts

[dusty oasis]

read all eventually lol

[grizzled venture]

Yeah

Still haven't read Psalms

[dusty oasis]

ah

[grizzled venture]

And some other books ig

[dense bane]

same

lol

[grizzled venture]

Don't think I have ever read Job

[dense bane]

i like Jesus parables a lot

[dense bane]

is about that u can get into trouble even if u was a good person

also how strong was the faith of Job

• have happy end

:))

[grizzled venture]

I know what it is about, but probably never read it all

[dense bane]

ah oki

[grizzled venture]

I read the beginning and the end I think

But not sure about the middle part

[dense bane]

i like it i read it more times

[dense bane]

probably u was bit lazy :))

[grizzled venture]

Probably yeah

[dense bane]

same lol

im lazy too

[acoustic ibex]

It's so good, I've read it so many times now, I highly recommend

[dense bane]

ah no

[dense bane]

i will read it

just not my taste

[acoustic ibex]

Totally get that

[dense bane]

i will read it , im sure i will like few of them

[acoustic ibex]

They're definitely a little in there for everyone

[wicked patio]

Dis forum having more messages than #1217470105844191252 is crazy

[stone osprey]

lol

[runic crane]

Oooohhh

[wanton lava]

the Bible stories are meant to tell stories about how you should act right?

[fresh grail]

Everyone loves arguing

[dusty oasis]

Yeah, it gives wisdom yeh

[grizzled venture]

Not all tho imo, some are more just like describing the past

[dusty oasis]

Yeah, but like proverbs and that those books i mentioned in my msg to which he responded do

Story of job for example tells to have faith in God regardless of how life goes

[grizzled venture]

This one definitely yeah

[dusty oasis]

Yeh

But not all true

[grizzled venture]

I read 7 chapters yesterday

[dusty oasis]

However i think u can take wisdom from every part of the bible

[dusty oasis]

Nice

[grizzled venture]

Hmm?

[dusty oasis]

I mean not evry tells you how to live ur life

Lol

Every part of the bible

[grizzled venture]

Yeah, obviously

[dusty oasis]

It seemed like i said that some part are not real so wanted to calirfy lol

[grizzled venture]

I also thought you said that lol

[dusty oasis]

Ohhh lol

[burnt haven]

If you have the chance to restart your life, would you accept it to alter your reality (or do the what you want) or would you reject it and see what was it like in the afterlife

[wanton lava]

first one

I'd be op

[burnt haven]

same, like if i got the chance to restart my life, i will try my best to not to fumble any opportunities that was given upon me when i was a kid

and my grammar sucks

[dense bane]

same lol

[fresh grail]

Leviticus 18:22

[grizzled venture]

It's already in my bio🙏

[fresh grail]

🍴

[dense bane]

i only know leveticus 18 is about the sacrifice with two goats

and have some connection with jews 9 and 10

[fresh grail]

Jews 9 and 10?

[dense bane]

in Bible

[fresh grail]

What book is Jews

[dense bane]

mb

[wanton lava]

was Jesus Jewish or Christian?

[sullen comet]

jewish

[wanton lava]

ok

[old pier]

Jewish

Didn't know this channel existed

[fresh grail]

All the fun people in history were jewish

Einstein, Moses, the gerber baby

[runic crane]

I didn't catch the second part but I think I'm good with what I've done so far, wouldn't change much
I did my best with the info and skills I had at the time, it's aight

[runic crane]

Experience is the thing you get 30 minutes after you would have needed it

[runic crane]

This is something you can fix with Learning™
Reading books helps (or otherwise long form texts written by people who have good grammar)

[burnt haven]

i read manga

[ornate hazel]

Kinda late but <@&1305977291695718462>

If I had the chance to restart my life, I’d probably take it. I mean, imagine being able to fix mistakes or chase dreams you were too scared to go after. For example, I could focus on learning something I gave up on, like playing the piano or learning a language. Sure the afterlife might be interesting, but restarting feels like a shot to make things right

I'm not saying i dont believe in the afterlife though not at all

But having another chance would be cool

[burnt haven]

I agree with your statement

[burnt haven]

yeah, & feeling like a main character

[ornate hazel]

Do you believe in the afterlife?

[burnt haven]

like what, save the universe by setting things right

[burnt haven]

yes

[ornate hazel]

Get isekaid lmao

I'm gonna start my harem fr

[ornate hazel]

Huh

[burnt haven]

https://tenor.com/view/ohshc-tamaki-takashi-haruhi-honey-senpai-gif-22666897

[ornate hazel]

However some people say that mistakes define you

Which us why people have a hard time picking

[burnt haven]

so what if mistakes define me in this current life, I would rather restart and make my second life attempt better than my current

im an outcast

oh btw, from my statement, i am not angry with you nor trying to offend you

[burnt haven]

just telling from my case

[dense bane]

I’m sick rn but I’ll give it a go.

The scenario you posit presupposes you’ve kept all your memories from the previous life.

I will respond accordingly.

The idea is not at all insignificant or ridiculous, as it has crossed my mind many a time; regardless of how futile it may be to hope for.

I agree that having another chance at things would be nice, but more so than just “cool”.

The significance of adding 21 years of knowledge and experience onto a fresh, new body in the circumstances I encountered is…

Unfounded.

[dense bane]

Time is the limiting factor for many things; it’s no different for myself. (in regards to exploration and learning anyways.)

All the things I want to do, could do, or have done—are all constrained by that very limit.

Adding more of it, even a second, is important to me by that same token.

To wind back to birth with what I know now, I can significantly improve my trajectory so as to allow for more of that precious time.

Eating better earlier. Regarding my POS parents for what they actually were and are; not what my innocence would’ve liked me to believe in the past. Utilizing my understanding of people to better maneuver situations I had struggled with immensely.

Who knows where’d you or me be if we could do similar things.

Time for what?

Reading the story, man. It’s too interesting to put down the book now, or within the next century I wager.

I view life through the terms of a novel, as opposed to what it actually is (not like I could see that way. That’s a whole ‘nother can of worms though.)

I’m not upset whether it’s tragic, comedic, daring, or soppy.

It’s gripping all the same. Each event (or experience that I live through) that occurs, has occurred, and will occur is infinitely interpretable; there is so much to glean from even just this moment.

The next page is constantly being written, and I cannot wait to see what happens nexts.

The book closes when it wants, though. I got no idea when, but it will.

Hearing someone offer me a brand new version of this body, and all of the knowledge makes this undeniably worth it.

If I don’t know when the story ends, at least I know it’ll go on longer that it would have, had I not taken the deal.

To tie this into pop culture, Akutami plays with the idea in Jujutsu Kaisen with Kenjaku if that interests you at all.

A person with the ability to swap bodies lives multiple lives, gaining knowledge and understanding of their (we don’t know their actual gender, they’ve been doing this so long) world to an extent that they begin to puppeteer and move it in both directions and fashions they deem appropriate.

Let me know if anything needs clarification!

I’m also not used to writing to other people; mostly just for myself.

If anything seems off or could be improved, definitely let me know that as well.

[ornate hazel]

DAMN

CHAT

CORBIN THE GOAT

I mean I’d say this, Restarting life could seem like a great way to fix mistakes or make things better but isn’t part of the beauty of life in how unpredictable it is? Like If you go back and make everything "better," you might lose the surprises and the lessons that come do undoubtedly comefrom failure and struggle. Life isn’t just about making it longer or more perfect tbh it’s about living it as it is, flaws and all. Maybe the afterlife, the part of the story you haven’t read yet has something even more incredible waiting for you. Why not see where the story naturally goes instead of tying to rewrite it? @dense bane

Imo life's beauty is in its unpredictability and the mystery

[grizzled venture]

Honestly I'd just take it so I hopefully don't end as I am now

[ornate hazel]

If you know what's gonna happen then what's the fun

[grizzled venture]

I mean yeah, but can't say that not knowing what's gonna happen is that fun for me

[ornate hazel]

Lmao

[grizzled venture]

But as I am thinking about it again actually idk, it's pretty complicated

Like I'd just be born again knowing everything I know now?

Not sure how it would feel to be a toddler knowing everything I know now

[dense bane]

Paragraph One

“Can life’s beauty not be attributed to that very fickleness?”

I cannot deny the value of chance and randomness, and affirm it wholeheartedly in the paragraph prior when I murmur “that I can’t wait to see what happens next.”

I don’t think I’d enjoy a novel that I’ve already read, anyways.

I’m going to assume that when you say make things “better”, you mean improve one’s ability to attain the desired state/goal.

So for me, it’d be me extending my lifespan to enjoy the book a while longer.

Paragraph Two

“You might lose the lessons gained and the surprises encountered..!”

From the way you speak, it seems the circumstances of the scenario were misunderstood on my part. It seems to suggest we DON’T have our previous memories, if we’re learning the lessons and stuff all over again.

With that established, my views change rapidly, and I cannot reply to the comment in any cohesive way.

[dense bane]

i like "boring" life without drama

[grizzled venture]

Probably same, or more that's the only life I know

[dense bane]

Paragraph Three

“Life isn’t just about making it more “perfect” or “better”, but living with its flaws!”

My most intimate and personal belief is a Faith in Contrast.

That circumstances occur in cycles; perfectly balanced.

The quote “You can only go as high as you’ve been low” or “what comes around goes around” is especially relevant here.

There is no Heat without Cold.

Light without Dark.

Pleasure without Suffering.

Life without Death.

I roll my eyes at the morons who wish for a “perfect world”, or a heaven; too ignorant to see that we’re already there.

The same goes for Hell.

Neither in a vacuum make sense to me; we often require a thing’s opposite to make sense of it.

It “draws a distinction”.

What is a graphite mark on paper? A distinction.

We have made something known, but only by virtue of its opposite.

If the paper was graphite and we drew on it, we wouldn’t know.

[dense bane]

doing same things (not the same ways) is where the progress start

To tie this into pop culture, (SPOILERS) ||the final fight between Makima and Denji brings this dilemma to the fray with the two’s opposing views, and solidifies contrast as the thematic winner after chainsaw boy kills the control devil.||

You may find this scene from Evangelion just as relevant (probably more so honestly)

https://youtu.be/vXbCWJNfq_0?si=SLmWWPUp-hpw7TWl

Honestly dude, rewatching this video made me realize that it probably explains like 60% of everything I said @ornate hazel

[royal plover]

I think therefore I am

[coarse glade]

i think therefore am i?

[sullen comet]

to be or to not be

that is the question

[dense bane]

to sleep

[sullen comet]

real

[dense bane]

yes i will take a shower and i will do face pulls after i will go to sleep

go to sleep means to read after some music :))

[wanton lava]

shouldn't he be allowed to create whatever he wants

this is what I'd do

[fresh grail]

Perchance to dream

Ay that's the rub

[heady heart]

fire

[heady heart]

https://youtu.be/wlR7xZ5-apY?si=1rkmH_IHXlMov1Ay

[burnt haven]

Failure is a form of success that is only achieved in an individual's opposite desire.

https://tenor.com/view/ballsdex-gif-7739640497564702723

[main wagon]

Philosophers are so fkn cool

[wanton lava]

if AI takes everyones job, then how are corporations gonna make money

[dense bane]

guys do u think a major problem is that we are no longer stay alone with our own thoughts ?

[grizzled venture]

You just need to take some time for that, for me personally it's before going to sleep or just going outside

[dense bane]

i think about adding 30 mins of nothing

[grizzled venture]

That's definitely good

[dense bane]

only me and my thoughts

[dense bane]

i think yea

[wanton lava]

i think before going to sleep

[heady heart]

just had college today, i managed to get enough courage to go to a counselor and managed to talk about my personal struggles ive been having, it went well im happy about my descision

AI is on a great road but its just different speaking to an actual person you actually feel heard.

my task for this week is to speak to atleast one person

and manage it properly

the relationship

[heady heart]

it wont take everyones job it'll enchance the workforce of competent employees, its like as Zucky boy said "its like going from legos to minecraft" its gonna allow people to be more creative and I think thats nice, but who knows maybe it will, were at the hands of rich people, if they manage it well and allow everyone access to the latest tools then I think it'll be a great time for humanity, if not GG, im still scared about countries developing AI that breaks systems though, but i'll remain hopeful

[heady heart]

I tend to use my dreams as a safe space to meditate

[burnt haven]

so were talking about dreams

i have a problem with my dream

sometimes, when i am in my dream, why does my neck or throat feels choking and I am in like an half-horror genre in my dream something

there are times, where i experience nice thing, projection of might future, horror, scary, and more

[wanton lava]

hm

most dream interpreters are bs

the most common thing is that you are exposed to content related to that

or you may have anxiety

i'd check what I was consuming

[burnt haven]

but there are some, where i had experience a dream and then months later, i realized that i actually do it based on that specific dream

[runic crane]

Are you sure you understand how that thing, labor, works ? 😄

[runic crane]

Yeah a little

[dense bane]

intersting , how that works ?

[dense bane]

same

[heady heart]

i dont recommend lucid dreaming but i use it to enter deeper sleep like i only remember darkness at times

forget it its a bad idea for the majority, i can somehow sleep while still thinking might not be the same for others

[heady heart]

try recalling a dream and input it to chatgpt and add context as its interpreting, it can actually be useful when done right

[ornate hazel]

USE THE PHILOSPHER @ I WANNA KNOW WHATS GOING ON

[ornate hazel]

Hmmm

Am I, or am I not

I think therefore I must be

Therefore

We are all graceless

[ancient wharf]

i am!

[dense bane]

cool

[dense bane]

very rare for me , happens to me if i dream an accident and i start wanting to take action in the dream

[runic crane]

Lucid dreaming is so fun though
I wish I could do it again

[heady heart]

its a sign of bad sleep and can cause problems with quality of sleep

[runic crane]

I can have other good sleep afterwards, is fine 😄

[heady heart]

i just learned that after bragging about being able to lucid dream

;-l

[runic crane]

Why would be if the sign of something if you do it on purpose

I mean, if you turn out to use your brain more then you gotta let your brain relax at another time, sure
Still fun though

[heady heart]

i think it has to do something with your brain needing to process information in your day like you learned something or was practicing a sport, your brain processes that and puts it in plasticity something, and lucid dreaming uses most of the resources to just think rather than process,

[weak horizon]

since we are talking about sleeping problems, i used to have sleep paralysis, until i learned how to deal with it 😎

[ancient wharf]

same

[main wagon]

Just go on a walk, it's just you and your thoughts

[wanton lava]

not too much

[jade star]

Try it

Its important to look at a wall that has nothing on it

[dense bane]

bro if i walk i cant focus on my thoughts

i cant be structured

u know my brain works with programing structures

i need to focus to find what , why , who i want to be

[dense bane]

i will

start today

and i will keep doing

same as traning 😄

[coarse glade]

are you/how do you know if you are actually in love with your partner (if you have one), or are you in love with the idea of love?

<@&1305977291695718462>

[grizzled venture]

Huh, how can I get that role pls

[coarse glade]

#1293399857310072894 message

[stone osprey]

I think saying I'm "in love with her" would be a major understatement

[coarse glade]

but still the feeling is there right, it's not like you just like her

and in my head the bigger step is like is love

[stone osprey]

I talk to her every second of the day that I can

our longest call was almost 51 hours

[grizzled venture]

So I should just do !philosophy

[coarse glade]

yes

[grizzled venture]

!philosophy

[coarse glade]

there you go

[grizzled venture]

Oh nice, that's cool

Thanks bro

[coarse glade]

for sure

[stone osprey]

realistically I'd say she's 60-85% of what I think about most days

I feel so complete with her

[coarse glade]

that's really cute honestly

as long as she feels the same way otherwise it might be borderline creepy

@stone osprey

[stone osprey]

she does

[coarse glade]

ah okay, nice

[stone osprey]

I'm gonna be proposing this year

hopefully spring or summer

[coarse glade]

nice

[cloud flint]

Love is an emotion, you know if you’re in love as well as your knowledge of your other emotions

[ornate hazel]

👀

[stone osprey]

buh

[sullen comet]

buh

[stone osprey]

buh

[sullen comet]

buh

[coarse glade]

BUH

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749469992315256963/1064759283859849226/6FDC859A-89C9-4157-A1D7-DEA39B115925.gif

[wanton lava]

Depressed people sleep more in the REM stages, are more tired, and sleep more

Why do you think that is?

(REM sleep is where many dreams happen and the brain is active)

[fresh grail]

Maybe they dream more when they're asleep because they dream less when they're awake

[wanton lava]

tru

their brains are forcing them to think

[heady heart]

yep

most likely

clinical depresso sucks to have

[dense bane]

He is, I guess they just volunteered to make something for him since he was unsure

Dudes a pussy canonically

[burnt haven]

To solve an issue quickly, be soft on the person and hard on the problem

[ancient wharf]

how about i just get hard

[burnt haven]

ask chatgpt

[ancient wharf]

what

[dense bane]

i prefer to accept what i cant change and to work for what i can change

how Hampton said in a video

[stone osprey]

[sullen comet]

da heck is this chat

[sullen comet]

real

!disgust

[agile shell]

https://i.imgur.com/hs6TiDj.jpeg

[ornate hazel]

Ban huzzeeb from here

[ancient wharf]

No i was getting philosophical yknow

True philosophy

[dense bane]

There’s a lot of significance to be found in bricking up

[dense bane]

Can’t expect everyone to see it man

[sullen comet]

!disgust

[agile shell]

https://i.imgur.com/hs6TiDj.jpeg

[dense bane]

I know I’m in love when I lose myself.

Affection is the bane of all that is cognizant. My most sound logic is overwhelmed still.

Rationality cannot compete with the easy strum of heart strings; a sound all too seductive.

[dense bane]

Whether the individual ought to intertwine is up to them, I suppose.

As edgy as it sounds, I’m disgusted by the person I become when the thought’s considered.

Looking past obvious flaws and issues for the warmth of a real connection.

Becoming giddy, gullible and lax in my beliefs and values.

As a result, I’ve mainly kept to myself. There’s definitely a pain in my heart, though.

‘Just decided to choose that over one in my head.

In the meantime, I’ve been trying to make it right with myself in numerous ways—this server being one of them.

I feel like I can hold things together here; keep shit from collapsing.

Maybe with enough time online, I’ll have made a legitimate connection.

One that really does right by who I am.

[coarse glade]

whenever i look at her my heart beats faster
my face turns red
thoughts start racing

[dense bane]

Another way has been lowering the metaphorical slider on my intimacy board.

That is to say, that I’d have an unconventional bond with my partner.

Call me an asshole, but something like meeting 3 days a week, or less.

Opting for less communication during our everyday.

That way I can have my cake and eat it too.

Contrast’s at work here too—our bond could probably be stronger from the absence.

[sullen comet]

every relationship works differently cause every couple prefer to do things in their own way. if that works for you, great. it didn't work out for me and that's fine too :p

[dense bane]

To reference something I read.

Gege made an interesting statement that may perhaps solve the predicament as a whole, and explain why SPOILERS: ||Sukuna, his character, is able to “disregard” love as a whole.||

||In a conversation with his defeated opponent, he gives an answer to kashimo’s question:
“How can the strong (just replace with rational/aware for the sake of this musing) feel love?”||

||“We are loved because we are Strong.”||

||“We simply respond to that in kind.”||

||Beautifully said, I interpreted his words as a call to acceptance—recognizing that it’s not a flaw to be this way.

You’ll get that love.
Just in a different way.||

||Furthermore, we give back by virtue of being “strong”.
In my case, aware or thoughtful.||

People enjoying my writing brings me a similar warmth to the one I felt when I met someone special, and it happened simply because I was myself.

Someone enjoyed my writing.

Is that not the best love I can be shown?

Is that not the ONLY love anyone can be shown?

Affirmation by virtue of who one is?

[burnt haven]

its because you are acting who you really are

being yourself confidently is nice

[ancient wharf]

Indeed

Very motivational

Very inspiring

[ornate hazel]

IS THIS CORBIN

I can tell

[wanton lava]

Do you think you can tell someones personality by their name? (both government + nickname)

<@&1305977291695718462>

[dense bane]

I know anyone with the name Cassandra a bitch

[wanton lava]

I hate Sarah no offense

I'm not sure why

[ornate hazel]

says the corBIN

YOU GOT BIN IN YOUR NAME

[wanton lava]

nothing against sarahs I just hate the name innately

[dense bane]

cASS

[ornate hazel]

corBIN

[dense bane]

Not even a competition

[ornate hazel]

YOU FUCKER

[wanton lava]

oh I get it

[burnt tartan]

yeah

[dense bane]

https://tenor.com/view/dandadan-momo-ken-gif-3588202387748639809

Pretty much

[wanton lava]

lol

[burnt tartan]

these two idiots

look at them

i got actual input

unlike them

[dense bane]

Stfu bro

[ornate hazel]

I started this company smh

[dense bane]

If there’s anything worse then casss, it’s ankles

[burnt tartan]

CORBIN SO EMBARASSED OF HIS NAME HE CHANGED IT TO RED RIAD

[wanton lava]

was that his original name?

[burnt tartan]

Yur yur

[ornate hazel]

I mean I don't really think so. A name doesn’t actually say much about someone’s personality because it’s just what they’re called, not who they inherently are. Sure, some people might act a certain way because of stereotypes tied to their name or they might pick a nickname that shows how they see themselves. But imo a name doesn’t define personality.

It's about how people treat others etc etc

[ornate hazel]

LMAOOOO

FUCK U CORBIN

[wanton lava]

Sometimes you can tell about the parent

like if some sigma influencer named their son "Sparitcus"

[ornate hazel]

Oh yeah that's for sure lmao

[burnt tartan]

some names are a sterotype tbh

and people tend to fill that in

depending on the area

they grow up in

certain names do deadass be associating with certain areas

low income and such

[wanton lava]

like Jamal and Jasper

[dense bane]

Corbin is my real name numnuts

But that’s a bad idea to have online

So I changed it

[dense bane]

Hot names

[ornate hazel]

Says the mf named Corbin

No hate btw it's all jokes

[dense bane]

We’re good

Cassidy

Least aura having name

Cassidy calls the fire department because her cat got stuck up a tree

Or bakes cookies for her grandchildren

[gleaming estuary]

Don't tell people to do that

[wanton lava]

NAH

[dense bane]

wtf

[wanton lava]

it censors

[gleaming estuary]

Don't tell people to do that

[wanton lava]

see?

[ornate hazel]

If I say the n word will I get auto banned

[wanton lava]

test

i won't judge

[ornate hazel]

Actually ankles said it

[wanton lava]

soft a

[weak horizon]

no

[dense bane]

Saved her ass

Couldn’t bear seeing me shit on her name

[wanton lava]

it censors "keys without the e"

[dense bane]

Ohhhh

[wanton lava]

not swear words which is weird considering minors are in this server

or slurs I think, but I've never tested

[dense bane]

I’ll actually answer seriously later

[sullen comet]

yes and no

[burnt tartan]

no

[coarse glade]

no

except if the nickname is something like asshole because they're an asshole

[ancient wharf]

no

[runic crane]

Maybe look into "Physiognomy"

[cloud flint]

It's judging a book by it's cover

usually it's telling of their personality but usually there is much more past their name

ocassionally you'll meet someone who's name doesn't match them entirely

but most of the time your identity is influenced by variables outside of you're control

your name is one of them

[burnt haven]

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-sasuke-naruto-and-sasuke-kiss-kissing-gif-22238312

[dense bane]

“Words are power!” — Grimoire Weiss

Language is just one of our many modes of expression, and names are no exception.

Countless mothers and fathers scour name lists; hoping that their soon to be child will come to reflect the meaning of whichever one they so choose.

While I don’t dispute the importance of it at all, I can’t help but chuckle at the frantic worry some of these people portray.

It’s well documented that outcomes can be predicted sheerly by this variable alone, albeit with a correlation.

For example, children bearing unconventional or challenging names frequently fare worse across various metrics compared to their peers with more common, easily pronounced names.

Hell, people with names that just start further down the alphabet have a slightly more negative
outlook then those whose names start earlier.

Source: I remembered reading some shit online, don’t quote me on any of it

The pygmalion effect is very relevant here.

Person is named, person receives input based on name, person internalizes input and forms output, that output encourages more of the same input, repeat.

This kind of feedback loop can either destroy or make a person.

Is it any wonder why the famous and powerful aren’t called “Gay Bowser”, or “Saoirse O’ Riona”?

This is more relevant for bad names, honestly. There’s a lot of losers named Alex and Jack.

The Booba—Kiki effect is also worth talking about here.

For some reason, we all subconsciously attribute certain sounds to shapes.

So for example, Kiki is often described as being sharp and spiky; booba round and amorphous. (Also why I like the word boobs over tits )

I’ve theorized for a long time now that this is why some people’s names just don’t “fit”.

An elegant and dainty name like Elizabeth or Evelyn doesn’t belong to someone like this, for example

Or a bubbly, buttery smooth name like Louis and Maui on this dude.

Now of course I recognize some people (or maybe even most people) could disagree because culture is extremely powerful as well; brute forcing an association where you would imagine otherwise

Overall though, saying a name, or really any designation doesn’t have much power is something I disagree with strongly.

There’s so much to speak on about language in general; this is just names.

[dense bane]

Bouba Kiki effect

[weak horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-standing-cat-stare-stare-bruhcat-gif-22348277

[ornate hazel]

Ahh I've actually heard about this

It's really interesting

[wanton lava]

same

[coarse glade]

ooh i had

[cloud flint]

Phylosopyysg

[sturdy lake]

what is love

[cloud flint]

Baby don’t hurt me

[wanton lava]

don't hurt me

[weak horizon]

no more

[sturdy lake]

what is love

[burnt haven]

How one should live?

[weak horizon]

How one wants to live.

[dense bane]

“Be more selfish!” - Gojo Satoru

Since our ancestors decided to band together and forgo their lonesome lives, the collective has always been more important than the individual.

…

Or so we’re taught.

Dating back to the widespread adoption of Judeo–Christian values, altruism has been the dominant sentiment; We live to serve others, and turn our focus outwards.

(I suppose I should probably preface this now, but I don’t intend to offend or shit on anyone’s beliefs. I’m simply critiquing a facet of a religion–not the whole.)

I, for one, have thought otherwise for some time now–for a multitude of reasons.

One being that people who dogmatize these opinions seem to have lost the plot.

Individuals make up the collective.

How can we have a strong group if its members never tend their own garden?

You have to eat too.

You’ll last a little while donating the entirety of your yield, but starve to death in the end.

It’s inevitable.

In fact, eat first.

Eat a shit ton.

Get strong.

That way you can help people to the BEST of your ability.

You’re doing someone zero favors if you can’t muster more than a half assed effort because of fatigue, lethargy, stress, etc.

…

You’ll find some very peculiar things begin to happen, having espoused this new way of thinking.

[ornate hazel]

CORBIN WRITING A MASTERCLASS ONCE MORE

[dense bane]

You’re now a “selfish” person for wanting to take time for a stroll around the neighborhood, or “stuck up” opting for a healthy meal, as opposed to the fast food your friends wanted to get you.

A beautiful, most amazing thing has happened

You’re climbing out the bucket, and crabs are picking at your leg.

The atmosphere is trying to suffocate you—borrowing a concept from “Rascal does not dream”.

[weak horizon]

well, people who lived in communities, is more than just "donate your whole yield". They get something in return too. This all depends on how that community works. If it's just give and receive nothing then that's not a community. That's called something else.

[ornate hazel]

FEED YOUR SOUL, GROW STRONG, LET THEM CALL IT SELFISH AS YOU RISE ABOVE 🔥

[dense bane]

Getting shamed for doing the healthful things is a pretty good indicator of when you’re on the right track.

The supporters of vampiric altruism rear their ugly heads, signaling your strength.

You will be hated.

Doesn’t matter, though.

Hate comes from below.

There’s so much more I could say in regards to becoming a stronger person; it’s a whole ‘nother world.

But for now @scarlet moss, I hope to have helped in some way or form.

Let me know if you need any clarification, or just have questions in general!

To reference pop culture, Berserk exemplifies this theme.

Natural Hypertophy has a great analysis.

https://youtu.be/Ux-tXsicqIk?si=a2chuHSVNkS08uCO

These are good too. https://youtu.be/K6R91uSnsPY?si=ZDFhE0NSuvoqnRxG

https://youtu.be/Du0CfRzLfTg?si=u5Qlor-HdsPyCTNn

[weak horizon]

well it really depends on what type of community or tribes we are talking about. But there were and there are communities and tribes out there that lets you grow and shine as an individual. It really just depends on the group.

[dense bane]

Healthy collective

Sturgeon’s law is relevant here, though.

Most things are shit, few are good.

Extrapolate to this conversation, most communities suck and few are good

[weak horizon]

i don't think we know that

[dense bane]

Well, I guess that’s a bit binary

[weak horizon]

i have not seen anyone doing any studies on how many communities work or don't work well

and how many has in the past tens of thousands of years

literally not possible to know that

[dense bane]

What I mean is that, through my observations, I’ve came to the conclusion that the higher quality a given thing is, the sparser it’s occurrence.

[dense bane]

Yeah. Scientific method falls apart with shit like this lol

Measuring across more than a few centuries, logic and rationale take over. Just don’t have the resources and time to feasibly measure all that.

It’s all conjecture really

I could be completely wrong

In a way, I suppose it’s still scientific by virtue of that though

[weak horizon]

also we can't apply this to real life, it's literally a science fiction author's opinion only, it's not scientific.

i mean, there are plenty of self sufficient communities out there today that you can find, and work well together.

[dense bane]

I often take concepts and warp them

You’re completely correct, though.

[dense bane]

Yeah, that’s true. Not just bad or good.

It’s a spectrum

[weak horizon]

yeah i'm not saying that nothing that's fiction can't be true or reality one day. There were some already that came to be true

but in this case i don't think we can apply that one

[dense bane]

It’s also worth noting that the things I value are different from what you may value

So what may be good to you is bad to me

[weak horizon]

yeah i'm aware

[dense bane]

That’s pretty obvious though, I’m sure you know that

But you’d be surprised what people misunderstand lol

[dense bane]

Makes sense. Mine just covers a broader range of concepts.

So not just science fiction, but anything qualitative.

Like physical strength, ice cream flavors, movies etc

[weak horizon]

yeah i can see that you are into comic and science fiction stuff and well versed in it. And many of them have thought provoking topics that could be true to us or one day become true. I like those too.

Raised by wolves tv show comes to my mind just now. I really liked that one, sadly it got cancelled after 2 seasons.

[dense bane]

The one on max, right?

[weak horizon]

yes

[coarse glade]

what is the meaning of life for you?
<@&1305977291695718462>

for me it has to be human connections and interactions

[rustic dragon]

To love God and people... To explore and experience God through His world and word. (And pet cats along the way 😊)

[grizzled venture]

I still need to find one

[cloud flint]

To find better meaning every day

The journey is the destination

[dusty oasis]

becoming better

[sullen comet]

love

to love my partner and my future children

[weak horizon]

to be happy

[wanton lava]

if the people are crabs picking at you why help them

[wanton lava]

idk i like groups

maybe your really smart or really dumb

[wanton lava]

To grow and reproduce

Responsiveness to the environment
Growth and development
Ability to reproduce
Maintenance of homeostasis
Complex chemistry and organization in membrane-bound cells
Genetic information and ability to replicate
Change over time

[dense bane]

[dense bane]

I’ll probably write on that sometime soon

Thoughts on the collective and individual

To put it super shortly though, most groups suck FOR ME

[ancient wharf]

Worship God

[wanton lava]

Good answer

[wanton lava]

or really unlucky idk

[wicked patio]

@steady hull

[steady hull]

that’s why my name is sara not sarah ewwwwwww

[wicked patio]

an h doesnt matter

yh tbf sara better than sarah

[steady hull]

☝️

[wicked patio]

mods

[steady hull]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-8086630669522815021

[wanton lava]

the h does matter @wicked patio

[cloud flint]

@dense bane

You can break the law of conservation of energy as long as it’s a shorter period of time than planks constant

https://youtu.be/h9d_HimHmG0?si=U-5jIuK3YENVuEfx

[burnt haven]

what do you guys think about Socrates Questioning

[wanton lava]

"take the path of least resistance, and if it is blocked then become extremely aggressive" - I forgot where its from

[cloud flint]

<@&1305977291695718462> what is your biggest phear

[main wagon]

Phear 💀

[sturdy lake]

🍐

[weak horizon]

Laying in a place where my movement is restricted, essentially can't move. ( claustrophobia )
Height

[coarse glade]

losing loved ones

i assume you meant to say fear?

[cloud flint]

Yea

[graceful stump]

y was i not pinged

[dense bane]

Your opinion is not valued

[dusty oasis]

being in hell

[cloud flint]

#1293399857310072894 message

[cloud flint]

@graceful stump

[graceful stump]

!philosophy

[graceful stump]

Ty

[dusty oasis]

!philosophy

[ornate hazel]

Probably losing my zyns

Joking 😭

[ornate hazel]

Why is Corbin talking

You ain't allowed to talk to yotsko like that smh

@graceful stump you see this mf

Smh

[graceful stump]

I ignored

Lvl 20

Gre‎enie like 5m ago

[graceful stump]

Addict

[ornate hazel]

Losing loved ones is probably my biggest fear. like imagine not being able to tell them how much they mean to you, and how you could never really hear their voice or laugh ever again

Value your parents guys 🫵

[cloud flint]

my parents are stupid af

[jade star]

Losing my will to live and destroying everything in sight

[weak horizon]

this man fears to become a villain

[jade star]

I mostly fear losing everything that holds meaning to me

[cloud flint]

understandable phear

[graceful stump]

Ye like cass said losing loved ones
If u got no one whats the point of anything

[cloud flint]

your own agency and ideals

I get it, but I don't thing relying on others for meaning in life is a good idea

like, why put your life in the control of anyone but yourself?

[graceful stump]

Being alone seems like torture

If it wasnt for my family
Yall
This other server
And some other ppl ik irl
Id just kms

[jade star]

You dont but you dont seem to realise how much value you put in other people

Everything you do is in some way done for others

Happiness comes from sharing an experience with others

[cloud flint]

yeah, but why put some people above others

[graceful stump]

?

[cloud flint]

help everyone

[graceful stump]

Obv u gon love some ppl more

[graceful stump]

Idk if i get u

[jade star]

Because you share values,care for them and wish the best for them

[cloud flint]

like, losing people you love dear, and that means you have nothing left, why tie your life to specific people?

do that for everyone tbh

[jade star]

If you wanna live life with nobody you will see where that leads you

Everyone is a stretch

Nobody can help everyone

[cloud flint]

fr

we can help as many people as we can

[jade star]

You cant help someone dying from hunger in a third world country

You can help the people close to you

Give them advice or hear them out

Is this selfish?

[cloud flint]

ye

[jade star]

No because what you are doing is pleasing yourself while thinking you are a nice guy

If you wanna help everyone

[cloud flint]

huh

[jade star]

Why tf would i help someone i dont know for no reason

[graceful stump]

Theres gon be some ppl u love more than the others

[cloud flint]

bc the entire idea of humanity is based on the idea of mutual benefit

[graceful stump]

Like

[cloud flint]

when we work together we become more than the sum of our parts

[graceful stump]

If u love someone as a friend

[cloud flint]

I help as many people as I can

[jade star]

Yeah but thats for survival

If you wanna be a people pleaser go ahead

[graceful stump]

Nvm

Km so confused

[jade star]

Its not as fun as you think

[cloud flint]

and try to teach and others, and share my ideas and experiences through the world

I don't think I'm a people pleaser

[graceful stump]

Also u must have beef with some ppl

[cloud flint]

nah

[graceful stump]

Lies

[jade star]

Exactly

[cloud flint]

if I don't like someone I just don't hang with them

[jade star]

See thats a problem

[cloud flint]

or whatever

distance yourself from people you can't work with

whats the point of hating?

[jade star]

It shows you change when you please

Hate means a conflict of ideals

[graceful stump]

Im not gonna be a fucking monk

[jade star]

Usually happens when you have two people of very different opinions

[graceful stump]

Everyones different

[cloud flint]

yeah

[graceful stump]

I love ppl here as friends

But not more than my irls

Or family

[jade star]

But the fact you dont hate someone means you either a people pleaser or dont have a personality

Or you dont have any values

[cloud flint]

in order to resolve conflict both parties have to be open to comprimise though, and generally if I'm at odds with someone I've gathered that I'm not the person they want to comprimise with

[cloud flint]

I hate a ton of people I just think it's a pointless pursiut

I work on the things I can change

[jade star]

No you use fancy words to say you avoid conflict

[cloud flint]

myself and my surroundings

[graceful stump]

U cant fucking compromise everything

Every conflict

[cloud flint]

what's the alternative?

learn to get along, distance yourself, or cause more conflict

[weak horizon]

that's not what a people pleaser is

[cloud flint]

best to worst, in that order

[graceful stump]

Depends

[jade star]

You are missing the point

Thats like saying you ignore who he is as a person

And categorizing him

[cloud flint]

sorry?

[weak horizon]

there are people who help others genuinely, not for any benefit. A people pleaser does it for any type of benefit, and not genuinely, it's pretending.

[jade star]

Why are those the only options

[cloud flint]

what's another option?

[jade star]

Thats exactly what i mean ty

What im saying is he is benefiting his ego

[jade star]

Communication and understanding

[weak horizon]

he just said he likes to help others where he can. I don't know why you think he does it for his own ego.

[cloud flint]

it benefits my values, I believe in order to make the world a better place we have to take the first step

that mean's putting your best foot forward even if it conflicts with your personal adjenda

[jade star]

I would if he said he helps those he can what hes saying is he wants to help everyone

[cloud flint]

that's learning to get along no?

[cloud flint]

we can strive for an impossible goal

[graceful stump]

Also not everyone deserves help

[jade star]

Thats one of the results what you are saying is that you wont even try that

[cloud flint]

you're right I can't help everyone, but I can maintain the idea that I will help as many people as I can, not just those close to me

[jade star]

Bro ok then i ask you why you doing this

[cloud flint]

no, It's what the first option is. Lots of the time you're argueing from a position where people don't respect you. If people don't respect you it's really hard to change minds, so I focus on myself rather then trying to push my beliefs when they already see me with derision

[jade star]

And i mean the real reason

[cloud flint]

because to strive for a better world requires people willing to work for the mutual benefit of all. Somebody has to start, or nobody will follow.

[jade star]

So you wanna become a shining example or a role model?

Why do you care about the world becoming better?

[cloud flint]

cause I live in it lol

[cloud flint]

yep!

[cloud flint]

anectdotal, but I've lived in several different countries and I've seen how peoples outlooks and ethic effect the world around them.

[weak horizon]

there are many misunderstandings here i think.
Nathan believes that humans should love and care about other humans too, not just their close loved ones that we know of. This isn't an egoistic wish or thought at all.
Majority of the humans live their lives by not caring about what's going on in other parts of the world and other people. Many thinks it's either out of their control ( it's not at all ), or simply not their responsibility, or don't even think about it for long because they don't care.
That is what selfish is, and that is what egoistic is. Because when life turns shit for those, then they will be expecting help from others who they don't know. Then suddenly you appreciate help from people you don't know and don't love.

[jade star]

So by the world becoming a better place what would you gain exactly

[cloud flint]

who doesn't want to live in a better world?

[weak horizon]

But these are social problems that has many factors, and originates from many different problems. Humans have been socially engineered for thousands of years or a lot more, perhaps since the beginning of human kind.

[jade star]

No no thats not what i mean

You wanna become a shining example for others to follow but dont wanna admit the real reason

[cloud flint]

it's more about holding yourself accoutnible for the world you want to live in. Instead of complaining about the situation or whatever, work towards ways you can improve the lives of yourself and those around you

[jade star]

All you spout is stuff everyone wants to hear

[wanton lava]

America losing

[jade star]

But nobody will do

[cloud flint]

I agree kinda

[weak horizon]

we have been taught for many generations to fear the unknown, the different, have this eye for an eye mindset, or dog eat dog world mindset

[wanton lava]

I like gambling

[weak horizon]

those are the main reasons why there are conflicts in the world, and why we don't love each other

[wanton lava]

Sadly yeah

[cloud flint]

that additude is the problem in the world. How hard is it to believe that your individual effort can effect those around you, and off of that the world will become a better place?

[wanton lava]

I di

[jade star]

Ofc i know that

[wanton lava]

I'm built different

[cloud flint]

based mooshroom frf

[jade star]

Thats like saying war is bad

[cloud flint]

you just said it's stuff nobody will do

[jade star]

What im saying is have a more realistic approach

Start small

[jade star]

No i said nobody will help others

[cloud flint]

so go do ti

[jade star]

Benefit is what moves people

[graceful stump]

Ye but y help ppl that r actually bad

[jade star]

Yeah i didnt even start arguing that

[cloud flint]

show others that the best way to live life is without the expectation of benefit.

[weak horizon]

and now you gonna say war is good because it lead to great developments and inventions? So war is good?

[jade star]

I wanted him to stop having this messiah complex and find something better to do with his life

You are gonna live life and then look back having regrets i assure you

[cloud flint]

bad ppl can be redeemed too lol, but I get what you mean. You don't need to help absolutely everyone, it's about creating an ethic that pushes you to help as many people as you can

[wanton lava]

No, but competition is

[cloud flint]

damn bro I wanna write books and be a teacher, is that so bad?

[weak horizon]

things are not as simple as that sadly. And there are people who can't be helped for sure. You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.
So when he says help everyone, you are not helping everyone. Help always comes from within. But we can try help others help themselves. Whether they help themselves or not, is on them, not you anymore.

[wanton lava]

Sone ppl are easy to unfuck up

[jade star]

Wow thats not what i said

[wanton lava]

But their fucked

[jade star]

You are saying you wanna change the world

[cloud flint]

yep!

[wanton lava]

Same

[jade star]

And im saying thats impossible

[wanton lava]

No

[jade star]

Sure you can change a small portion