PHILOSOPHY CHANNEL

[cloud flint]

Its almost midnight lets wrap this up quickly

I am tired lol

[vagrant isle]

I dont necessarily trust the church only because the morals were explicitly said in the new testament, i trust the church to give me clarity when confused

[vagrant isle]

okay lets sleep

goodnight nathan youre very eloquent btw

[cloud flint]

Goodnigjt thanks lol

[cloud flint]

Reasonable

I had a weird idea by technically

So

Bible is written word of go

God

Anyone who has been spoken to by god could technically be a part of the bible

And there is an idea that god is a part of everyone

So

All writing is the bible

So

My book

Could ne the book of nathan

Thats jusy a thought lol

Interesting

[vagrant isle]

your life might be a testimony but i don't think youre gonna make it through the bible

after St-John's Revelation it was over yk

[vagrant isle]

people tried to do that funnily enough

theres nothing new under the sun ig

(literal bible reference)

[fresh grail]

I saw an ad for archie comics that said this wasn't true because new comics come out every week

[vagrant isle]

💀

[ancient wharf]

Ok people serious topic

Does meditating actually work

And what is it

[fresh grail]

Depends what you want it to do

If you're expecting to levitate and suddenly be able to read minds, it's not happening

If you just want to be more mindful, then it could work

[ancient wharf]

Hmm but what is the ideal time for meditating

I have seen people do it for hoursssss

[gusty ermine]

there's 10 billion types of meditating

depends on what you want to do

[ancient wharf]

😮

[ornate hazel]

Even just sitting down laying in bed staring at the ceiling is a form of meditation lol

[ancient wharf]

Oh

[burnt tartan]

yas, can put people in good headspace

[ancient wharf]

Ok thanks maybe i will try

[sand musk]

Yes, if you do it prone on the bed. You will wake up energized.

[dense bane]

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This is every message where you were talking about evolution before I joined the discussion and at no point did you try to explain what you meant

...the concept of DNA exists outside the theory of evolution btw...

What does that even mean? What do you mean by the 'concept of DNA' ? DNA exists and you can chemically isolate lmao, it can be edited using CRISPR, and you can use it to genetically modify animals.

proven as much as we can, and it’s still an incomplete picture of origin of species

As much as we can? Like you mean to the furthest extent that looking at bacterial colonies evolve at human-scale time can prove it? Do you mean as much as we can given the fossil record? What is 'as much as we can'?

You have to be specific. You can't just say the vaguest shit and pass it off as epistemically valid because "proven as much as we can" doesn't critique or even specify what the epistemic standard of truth that evolution abides by is.

the consensus is that evolution has things it has gotten right, and things it’s gotten wrong; things it can explain, and things it can’t explain.

Again, you gotta tell me what it can explain and what it can't explain-- also whose consensus are we talking about? Which scientific community? What do you mean by consensus?

short version is, evolution is right about some things and wrong about some things

Which things? Directly answer that.

If I go before the earliest mention of this discussion I see literally no other mention of the topic from you.

@sturdy lake

what is your claim, what is your standard of proof, and what is your evidence?

[sturdy lake]

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[dense bane]

I read that

Lmao I was there

You have to directly answer my questions otherwise you're avoiding them and you're not saying anything

[sturdy lake]

i dont want to waste my time on this obsession u have over a casual conversation i was having with other people.

[dense bane]

What was wrong about my usage of the word 'hypothesis' and 'theory' anyways?

You gotta explain that otherwise you'd just be saying shit not even randomly

but like

truly rng random shit

[sturdy lake]

have u not seen what goes on in this server

[dense bane]

I don't care

Stop deflecting schlawg

whataboutitism

[dense bane]

you said these publicly

[sturdy lake]

we literally just have fun and casually talk about stuff, not try to meticulously break things down

[dense bane]

and as a result you'd be practically spreading misinformation because you wouldn't be explaining what you meant

you'd be giving people fuel to doubt evolution

[sturdy lake]

😭

oh wow i didnt know i had so much influence, mb

[dense bane]

Yeah you do

that's why you have to be responsible with what you say on the internet

you'll realize sooner or later that it follows you and that is matters

but again, that's a whataboutitism

has nothing to do with what I asked

[sturdy lake]

seth do u have other ppl to talk to

[dense bane]

answer this

[dense bane]

yes sir

[sturdy lake]

nope

[dense bane]

why not?

[sturdy lake]

pls talk to them

[dense bane]

are you conceding?

[sturdy lake]

yes u win

u have more time to waste than me

[dense bane]

Not good enough for me

actually answer the question

also schlawg lab report finished, test studied for, gym went to, everything I gotta get done is done today

i'm choosing to do this

I am choosing to ask you these questions

[sturdy lake]

not my problem

[dense bane]

Then why try to defend what you said originally

[sullen comet]

😭

well anyway, i have another question for y'all

this is a subjective question so don't take it objectively since.. you can't really take it objectively lol

What core values guide your actions and decisions?

[wanton lava]

no lol

[wanton lava]

does it make me sad, does it make others sad, doese it make God sad?

[wanton lava]

yes.
2 types in psychology:
Mindful - think about your thoughts, happier, less stress, less time(5-30 minutes), confirms goals, helps sleep
Concentrative - focus on breath or on object, calms down, increases focus especially time based(Sadly I don't have a citation rn but it does help while working to take a 20 second break of staring at something)

Mindful - any position, usually in lotus, try to just focus on breath but also pay attention to your thoughts. You don't have to focus on anything if your doing "idea meditation"(my own term)

Concentrative - focus on something for ~5-300 seconds(usually lower end) a few times a day

Some people try to meditate for a long time, I did 10 minutes before its really hard

[wanton lava]

😡 DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE YOU HAVE TO SLEEPMAX

[cloud flint]

Yap?

[ancient wharf]

Thanks wise mushroom cow

[gusty ermine]

I don't mean to be pedantic, but if you're using words like a definitive "yes" along with "in psychology", you're obligated to explain why "yes" according to "psychology". Which you can't in this case because psychology doesn't say meditation "actually works", because "working" is vague and doesn't tell what goal you have in mind and if you assume "working" to mean improving overall mental well-being then "yes" is just straight up wrong and in fact can be life threateningly dangerous in this case because mediation can worsen your thoughts and "tendencies" (without triggering anyone) if you're suffering from a condition like depression because all you're left with are your negative thoughts which you are FOCUSING on.

so, it really depends on your individual context and what you want to achieve by meditating

[wanton lava]

Your welcome Terachad

[wanton lava]

I know its a vague response and words like may would have likely been better but I can't be f**ked

im sorry but im a little lazy

[gusty ermine]

all good

[dense bane]

#1298458390233743400

[sullen comet]

hmm

is there a pattern in everything besides events?

[cloud flint]

technicly there could be a pattern in events

there is a hypothesis that if "the big crunch" theory is true when the universe becomes a single point again and starts another big bang nothing will change so the exact same events will happen.

[sullen comet]

how do you define reality?

[sullen comet]

TRUE

[sullen comet]

uhhhh

huh?

[cloud flint]

so

[cloud flint]

the big bang

leading theory on creation of the universe

the idea is that

since no energy is being added or subtracted to the universe

if it restarts, it will follow the exact same pattern as last time

[stone osprey]

hmm

well unfortunately for that theory, nuclear fusion exists

[sullen comet]

LOL

[hard grove]

THIS IS THE SINGLE DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE. ATHIEST OR NOT THE CONCEPT OF FREEWILL IS CHOICE. EVIL IS A CHOICE. IF YOU DON'T GET A CHOICE YOU DON'T GET FREEWILL. LIFE IS SUFFERING. YOU CAN NOT COMPREHEND POSITIVITY WITHOUT NEGATIVITY. YOU ARE A HUSK OF PERSON IF YOU COULD ONLY PERCEIVE ONE EMOTION

FUCK YOU ANKLES

MY PHILOSOPHY IS THAT YOU ARE A BITCH

AND THATS AN ABSOLUTE

BOO

ITS A BOOK

RUN!!!!

[burnt tartan]

EAT
MY
DICK
YOU
HOMOCULUS

https://tenor.com/view/boon-homunculus-food-lock-doors-gusho-gif-11341150716694910238

[hard grove]

SILENCE YOU IGNORANT SWINE

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[burnt tartan]

I CAST TESTISCULAR TORSION ON YOUR WEENY TEENY BRAINLESS BALLS

[hard grove]

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[burnt tartan]

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[hard grove]

ALSO ANYONE WHO ARGUES AGAINST THIS IS AN IDIOT IM SORRY BUT THIS IS VEEEERRRRRRY BASIC EVEN ANKLES UNDERSTANDS AND SHE'S DUMBER THEN THE FUNGUS THAT GROWS ON MY BALLS

[burnt tartan]

theory this: why are you so stoopid

[hard grove]

thank you for coming to my tedtalk

[burnt tartan]

wait fungus

nasty ahh

WHY MY NAME BROUGHT UP WHAT

[hasty rain]

whats wrong with house 💀

Also guys why did kat get in the jar

out of all the people here i didnt expect kat 💀

[burnt tartan]

It's the Lupus

[burnt tartan]

She asked

[ornate hazel]

Hmm do you believe in this

Let's philosphicalise 😼

[sullen comet]

i asked LOL

if i’m in the jar, that means i asked 😂

[sullen comet]

OKAY

question

does every situation have a solution?

[fresh grail]

I don't think so

There are some things that the only thing you can get out of it is experience

[sullen comet]

does every question have an answer?

[fresh grail]

Everything has an answer, but not always a satisfying one

[ornate hazel]

Yeah everything has an answer

If you ask if aliens exist

We don't know

Tahts still counts as an answer

[ornate hazel]

subtle foreshadowing

[fresh grail]

What's being foreshadowed?

[cloud flint]

If “I don’t know” is a valid answer than yes

[fresh grail]

There's an objective answer to the question even if the given answer is "I don't know"

Subjective knowledge doesn't mean the question doesn't have an objective answer, it just means you don't know the objective answer

[cloud flint]

What about subjective questions? The question “should we punish a this man” has no correct answer as we lack context. In this situation there is no correct answer unless “I don’t know” is accepted

[fresh grail]

That question's answer depends on if you subscribe to a moral philosophy or just kind of moralize on your own because if we take the legal system as an example, even if someone is stealing medicine for orphans, it's still theft and punished

[cloud flint]

Yeah so the argument boils down to if subjective questions all have answers

[fresh grail]

I guess so, but I feel like there's a difference between objective and subjective questions

[gusty ermine]

being all-powerful doesn't mean you can create paradoxical realities though

[cloud flint]

Huh?

[gusty ermine]

he argues that if it is necessary for evil to exist (reason for it existing) and if god can't create a universe in which it doesn't exist then god isn't all powerful

this doesn't logically follow

if it is necessary for evil to exist in a universe then no matter how powerful you are, you can't create a universe without one, because that's paradoxical

an all knowing being doesn't know the answer to paradoxical questions

it's the same thing

it doesn't mean that being isn't all knowing

epicuro treats everything as black and white in this "paradox" of his while missing the nuance of everything

[hasty rain]

Yeah that’s the only thing that I could think of that made sense lol

[sullen comet]

imagine if i actually got muted for making trouble lol

[reef star]

What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?

[hasty rain]

🤯

[burnt tartan]

then.. you can't turn yourself around !

[sullen comet]

if we were living like the old days (like before technology was even invented), would we be better off? (i'm talking about the lifestyle, not including the history and whatnot)

[burnt tartan]

I wouldn't be

wait how old we talking

and what you consider to be technology? Cause stone tools are apparently considered technology

[gusty ermine]

people used to die left and right from simple weak ass diseases, yk?

because no vaccines, medicines, hygiene, good quality crops because of lack of good fertilisers and effective farming techniques, etc

awful times to live in imo

[burnt tartan]

im assuming kat is meaning shit like

phones and tv

maybe idk

[gusty ermine]

phones and tv have made the world a safer place

aside from the obv convenience

[sullen comet]

like

the days where land was practically all farms

[burnt tartan]

... do we still go through the similar course of events in time?

like everything that had happened now, still happened

i guess excusing certain things

[gusty ermine]

play with your friends in the field on a sunny and fall into a random ditch and die or get bit by a random snake and bleed out without getting any help 🥰🥰

[burnt tartan]

fields? hell nah

but pre-modern architecture? hell yeah

like if we still keep the cool stuff

that humans can make, im down

well maybe not

forever

maybe like.. a day or smth

[gusty ermine]

anyone romanticising being a farmer in those times clearly hasn't been exposed to the actual plight of farmers in that environment

maybe if I was a king or something, I'd consider it

even then, it's kinda ehhhh

[reef star]

Dr stone watcher

[burnt tartan]

[fresh grail]

Why is money?

[cloud flint]

Because its easier than barter

[hearty garden]

A

[ornate hazel]

B

[sullen comet]

is there something or someone you can’t absolutely live without?

we need a role for philosophy 😭

[hearty garden]

We weren’t born to pay bills and die

[ornate hazel]

There is

But for everybody else it's different

[sullen comet]

oh wait, i meant it to be a subjective question

opinions

what’s something or someone you can’t live without?

[ornate hazel]

What's ur answer to this

Hehe

[gusty ermine]

hobbies

I would actually kms if all I had was work and/or studying

[sullen comet]

what’s yours?

[sullen comet]

i invoke the fifth

[hearty garden]

God

[sullen comet]

valid

[celest bridge]

Probably my parents. If anything happened to either of them my whole family would be in shambles.

[jade star]

People,since with nobody else life would be pretty boring

[rustic dragon]

Same. Also water xD

[cloud flint]

Something to blame

[wanton lava]

chat what if we're in a videogame test

whatever we do here

we get a grade when we die

and then we get a job based on our score

(our memory is reset obviously)

[dense bane]

[sullen comet]

is it possible for environment to not affect you?

like yk how the people you talk to, the things you do, and all that jazz has some impact on you and your personality to an extent

[dense bane]

i wish , but probably not

[sullen comet]

hmmm

[sullen comet]

so it might be possible

[dense bane]

u should to build ur world

[sullen comet]

hm? could you rephrase that pls?

[dense bane]

im feel like im what i follow and i belive

[sullen comet]

yeah but we subconsciously absorb everything we hear, see, touch, and feel

to a certain degree

like my dad may have hot temper and while i seem i’m patient, i can be hot tempered

or like

my mom who may be a little lazy so i tend to procrastinate

etcetc

not an excuse but you get the idea

[dense bane]

yea

u can change

i dont have any response

[sullen comet]

lol understandable

[fresh grail]

So make one up

[ornate hazel]

Maybe it's genetic

Like if you have a lazy friend you won't automatically just be lazy

Idk

[sullen comet]

no not really

you copy what you see

especially when you’re still growing up because we always have someone we admire (or look up to)

[fresh grail]

My teacher talked about how man feels most fulfilled doing creative acts instead of passive acts (I'm assuming creative means actively affecting things instead of just letting things happen). Thoughts?

[gusty ermine]

you feel the most fulfilled when you're decently good at the work (but not so good that it becomes easy, just enough that it's challenging but in a fun way), it's easier to commute for the work, you feel like you're making a positive change with it, you enjoy it, you have flexibility in it, you're being paid decently enough, it has decent prestige

it's from a book I got from oxford (don't remember why, think I won something) which had about 10-20 years of research on the same topic and it was basically one big digestible compilation of it

[rustic dragon]

I've heard this used also in these ways: You could read a book or write a short story, you could scroll on your phone or edit together a post, you could watch a youtube video or get outside and do something cool.

[sullen comet]

do you think humanity would go downhill from here?

in terms of logical skills or cognitivity

[sullen comet]

@here

oh

[gusty ermine]

def not

[dense bane]

idk

probably not

[jade star]

Nah its been worse and it will be worse again dont believe the doomers

[ornate hazel]

Interesting question

Some might say humanity’s thinking skills are going downhill. Cayse We rely so much on technology to remember things, do math, and even think for us.

Also

Social media pushes us to skim information quickly instead of thinking deeply. Schools often focus more on test scores than on teaching real critical thinking

But I don't really think it will be a huge problem in the future

[dense bane]

nah , u should to think more for technology

[dense bane]

stereotypes , not realy true (my opinion)

[ornate hazel]

Yeah I agree

Playing devil's advocate atp

[dense bane]

now i understand

not realy ur opinions

[ornate hazel]

Yeah lol everyone was agreeing but it has to be a debate yk 🤷

[cloud flint]

real

[fresh grail]

Honestly with chatgpt and stuff becoming more and more common people might start just forgetting how to do things

[dense bane]

i dont use chat gpt for things that i should think

i use chat gpt just for bullshit

chat gpt ks not that exact to can use it for many things

[gusty ermine]

people thought that humanity is gonna get dumber when writing was just invented too

"oh, now you wouldn't have to use your mind to remember all the information"

same with calculators

internet

smartphones

but what happened? The exact opposite

technology enabled more people to be capable of doing more tasks because dumb limitations were no longer a problem

people who couldn't do basic math could use calculators for grocery shopping, planning expenses, etc with convenience

people who otherwise would've never read anything were exposed to a lot of new information constantly due to the internet

now people who are too lazy to have to find or understand something by reading multiple articles and fact checking everything, won't have to do that because an ai can explain them anything personally

tech makes things more accessible and makes the general population smarter, not dumber

just because people don't remember phone numbers anymore doesn't mean that they're now dumber than the people in the 80s, there's just no point in remembering them anymore so you can focus on other things that require more of your attention

just look at who wants to be a millionaire questions from early 2000s and now, there's a stark difference in the level of the questions, I'd assume a lot more people now would know answers to those early questions than people did back then, because information wasn't as accessible back then as it is now

[dense bane]

lmao

[dense bane]

yep

i agree

[rustic dragon]

Honestly, I do sometimes feel like I'm less smart for not being able to do math in my head / not having the knowledge of foreign languages that seems to have been more common for Americans a few centuries ago.

But I do agree that it makes information and skills more accessible! :D

[ornate hazel]

Chat is this even philosophy

[ornate hazel]

Can humans act altruistically?

It's a thought that's been on my mind

[cloud flint]

Do something good without getting anything in return?

I think your own pride is something you get in return

The happiness of helping

But I think people can intend to act altruisticly

But you always get soemthing in return

[gusty ermine]

100%

There are many fossils of ancient humans and human like species from way back in time where there were skulls with broken teeth yet lived a long life (meaning that others had helped them eat), skeletons with broken limbs or amputated parts living a long life (meaning others helped them survive and live), skeletons of moms and sons being buried together in a time where burial wasn't a ritual thing, and a ton of other stuff from way back in time whe civilisation as we know it today didn't exist, but morality still did

that should tell you that no matter how advanced we get or how far back in history we look, what race of people we look at, what continent, emotions and morals and values are deeply ingrained in all of us, albeit some different than others

honestly speaking, things like this is what gets me going, knowing that at the end of the day, you're in a way connected to each human being who has ever walked this earth and will walk this earth, like a big family

[cloud flint]

Does altruism have to be the reward is greater than the drawback?

[ornate hazel]

Thats a valid point

But you can't say we did those acts out of pure altruism

We can say that they might have helped out injured or sick people because it made the whole group stronger and safer, not just because they were being nice. By keeping everyone alive, they gave themselves a better chance to survive, so their “altruism” could’ve actually been about survival, not jusr pure kindness. Maybe humans aren’t naturally all that selfless we just help out when it benefits us too, even if it looks like we’re being super kind

[ancient wharf]

Philosophy chanel

[gusty ermine]

you can't really survive in the wild being an amputee and you're generally a liability in the group since you've to move around, there's no farmed food to eat, you're a hunter gatherer

It is pure altruism

[sullen comet]

love existed the day humanity existed, it didn’t just start lol. you’d imagine clans had love and loyalty for each other cause of the bond and such

[cloud flint]

Devils advocate, I think your undercutting the human aspect of it. Humans care about other humans, and relationships and feelings can effect peoples decisions more than logic

[gusty ermine]

... that is what altruism is

It's based on emotion not logic

Also, animals are altruistic too

[cloud flint]

I thought it was doing something good/right without expecting anything in return

[gusty ermine]

So it's not just a human thing

[gusty ermine]

yes, so?

[cloud flint]

Your emotional and moral confidence is something you get in return. Are you altruistic if you do something just to feel like a good person?

[gusty ermine]

In a study about altruistic behaviour in animals, one rat was given a ton of food while the other was kept in a cage and was not given any, the rat with the food often gave the rat that didn't have food a small portion of his

[cloud flint]

Yeah but you can’t really gauge intention. Did the rat do it because it felt guilty or because it wanted to help?

Are both situations altruistic?

[gusty ermine]

Things like emotional and moral confidence don't exist in the wild, without language, you can't verbalise and consciously make sense of your morality and gaining confidence based on that

[sullen comet]

animals have emotions. love is an emotion. you do things for people because you love them. same for animals

boom

[gusty ermine]

guilt doesn't exist in rat afaik

and even if it did, I don't see how it underscores the altruistic aspect of it

[cloud flint]

If I help someone for myself is it still altruistic? Is it based on intention or output?

[sullen comet]

wouldn’t be an intention because your intention is yourself?

[cloud flint]

Like if I stop a crime because I want to feel like a hero am I still altruistic or am I not being altruistic

Huh?

[sullen comet]

not altruistic because you’re doing it for something

altruistic is when you do things with no intention

[cloud flint]

There are four things

For not yourself intention helps somebody get reward

For yourself intention helps somebody get reward

For not for yourself help someone get no reward

For yourself help someone get no reward

Which ones are altruistic?

[rustic dragon]

Altruism:
Unselfish concern for the welfare of others; selflessness.

The definition of Unselfish at Cambridge.org states "An unselfish person thinks about what is good for other people, not just about their own advantage."

I'd say the important thing is your motivation.

Like, I sent my aunt flowers this past year because I wanted her to be thought of and feel remembered. Do I get a benefit of being closer to my aunt? Of course! But did I send her the flowers so she'd like me better? No xD

[celest bridge]

Personally I don't think it matters whether the intent of the good action was for selfish reasons or not as long as it was a legit good action.

If I help someone with the intention of them helping me later that is selfish but as long as I don't undo my good work if they don't help me that was still a good action.

[wanton lava]

at extremes yes

at extremes it technically is possible a change in enviroment WON'T have any impact

[gusty ermine]

Misery loves company but joy and happiness don't?

what do you guys think

[cloud flint]

Wdym

[gusty ermine]

you know how when someone is sad or upset or angry, "miserable", they usually act in ways that makes the other person miserable too, both intentionally and unintentionally

but people don't really act in ways that makes other people have the same kind of happiness when they're happy

sure, they can help and act good when they're in a good mood but it's nothing like when they're miserable and want people to go through the same pain they're in so that they aren't alone

[wanton lava]

no

at least for me

when your happy others be happier and same with sadness

its in the eyes

when you see someone happy, you tend to be happy, and vice versa

[cloud flint]

I don’t think there’s a explicit relationship between how you treat people and how you feel, though your generally right. If I know I’m miserable I try and not act like it and try to be decent despite it, so I think you can act to correct it though what you say is generally true

[ornate hazel]

maybe it’s not that joy and happiness can’t love company, but that they simply don’t require it

[wanton lava]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-a-big-fat-waste-of-my-time-waste-of-time-boring-bored-calvin-and-hobbes-gif-10127668573564717276

[sullen comet]

TRUE

[celest bridge]

Ngl I never saw that saying that way. I always thought it had more to do with saying that you shouldn't hang out with other miserable people if you're miserable cause that'll make it harder to get better.

[sullen comet]

I mean you’re definitely not wrong

[ornate hazel]

"shared sorrow is half a sorrow, but a shared joy is double joy" idk how it goes but I think it's smth like that

It's a cool quote

[sullen comet]

Ooo

i never heard of that quote, but that’s honestly a really good quote

[ornate hazel]

It's one I think about often lol

[stone osprey]

good quote

[broken quartz]

Philosophy channel

[ancient wharf]

Philosophy channel

[sullen comet]

i can imagine why

this is a subjective question

so take this as you will

is love an emotion, a choice, both, or something else altogether?

[dense bane]

im bored

something intersting ?

[broken quartz]

Love is so many things, a thousand words wouldn't be enough to describe all the shapes it takes.

[sullen comet]

hmmm

[sullen comet]

that’s where art comes in 👀

[sullen comet]

hmm political, religion, emotions, orr psychology related?

[dense bane]

politics is too easy

religion hard

emotions and psychology are very useful

[sullen comet]

trump vs harris

[dense bane]

not that hard

[sullen comet]

dun dun dunnnn

[broken quartz]

but yeah relationships take work on both sides, so you do have to choose love in that sense

[dense bane]

trump

:))

[sullen comet]

100%

[sullen comet]

hmm actually i got a good one. how can you tell the difference when doing something for the person you love vs people pleasing? (i actually dk the answer lol)

[dense bane]

but im Romanian and we have a lot of candidate and most of them are bot what should to be

is funny to watch Romanian politics

[broken quartz]

do you feel obligated to do it, or are you doing it because you want to? how would you feel if you said no, or didn't do it?

[sullen comet]

ohhh, wait are you in the states?

[broken quartz]

I think those are the questions you gotta ask yourself if people pleasing might be an issue for you

[broken quartz]

uhhhh

[dense bane]

im in Romania

[dense bane]

asked

[sullen comet]

ooo, i’ve always wanted to visit romania

such a beautiful history

maybe not beautiful but the art is cool lol

[broken quartz]

setting aside policy, Trump is a criminal that consistently attempts to undermine the democratic process

[dense bane]

idk

[dense bane]

realy ? we was weak so not realy intersting

life was hard before here

now is easy

the best time ever was

is now

[ornate hazel]

Hmm

[dense bane]

we cant compare with Rome

[ornate hazel]

I like this question

[dense bane]

only art we have before sec XIX is for church

[dense bane]

a choice

i think

[ornate hazel]

Maybe it’s not that love is only an emotion, or merely a choice, but that it shifts between them depending on where we stand with ir

It*

What do you think @sullen comet

[dense bane]

or both

is possible to be both

or

hmmmm

[ornate hazel]

Myeah so Love can feel like an emotion when it sweeps over us, unexpected and powerful, But love as a choice? That’s when it deepens, when we commit to it even when feelings waver. So perhaps love is BOTH and neither—a presence that adapts, sometimes asking us to feel, sometimes asking us to choose

Idk tho

[dense bane]

yea

i agree

[sullen comet]

i personally think love is both an emotion and a choice. scientifically, women in romantic relationships will, at some point, lose her feelings for her partner for a period of time. at that point, it’s a test of whether she really does love him and what she chooses.

[dense bane]

intersting

im not a women , i never was in a relation , but i dont think i will get bored

[sullen comet]

exactly 😂

that’s why it’s not men and it’s women

[dense bane]

i thought are same

[jade star]

If their feelings are gone for a short period of time could we even interpret them as being is love

And not just something we wanna believe has this magic to it

[ornate hazel]

Lmaoo we thought the same

[sullen comet]

yes because women’s hormones affect emotions and emotions for women can be confusing, it’s just something we go through and if we were to try to find a relationship where we didn’t lose emotion of love, that would be impossible. i also did say “scientifically”

[dense bane]

emotions are weird

[sullen comet]

you can search it up

xp

[dense bane]

dont trust the emotions

[sullen comet]

fr

emotions are temporary

[ornate hazel]

Yea

[jade star]

If we go scientifically then even love itself is a weird concept but ok

[sullen comet]

indeed

how would you define love

[jade star]

Nahh bro you gotta enjoy life to the fullest

With no emotions all we are are machines

[ornate hazel]

WARNED

[jade star]

Holy fuk

[sullen comet]

you about to either be one hot tempered dude, or a really gloomy man

[jade star]

I couldn't see it so fast

[sullen comet]

what did you send 😭

[jade star]

Me?

I dont see how living ones life while feeling it is an issue

[sullen comet]

hypothetically

[dense bane]

to take care , to listen , to give freedom

[sullen comet]

i’n leaving this to y’all, i gotta do hw lol

[dense bane]

i laught a lot , but i dont trust emotions

[ornate hazel]

Ah nvm it was a bad example lol

[ornate hazel]

Yeah well we can't let emotions dictate our life ALL the time

[jade star]

Bruh i was about to get into the groove

[ornate hazel]

Kat best philosophy channel member lol

[jade star]

Well yeah but he said he doesnt trust them its like he doesnt want to have them

Im arguing that one who controls his emotions can live a good life

You know like that shitty popular thing everyone gets wrong called stoicism

[dense bane]

should to control them

[ornate hazel]

Oh yeah like

Not having emotions or smth

[jade star]

Then you gotta see where they take you

[ornate hazel]

Hold on I gotta go

[jade star]

Yeah thats the wrong interpretation

Its actually control not lack of emotions

[dense bane]

emotions are good bc tell u something u like or no

[dense bane]

can u have lack of emotions ?

[jade star]

Hypothetically not actually

[jade star]

Yeah thats what i mean

[dense bane]

yea

[sullen comet]

you can

that’s where numbness comes in

people with depression

have that

[jade star]

Uhh no you still feel them but they are severely weakened besides nobody wants to be depressed

[sullen comet]

i can say otherwise

but yeah, you’re right with your first point

[jade star]

Wait you wanna argue people want to be depressed?

Its a state where you want nothing and do nothing

[sullen comet]

as a person who’s been in depression, there are some people who may want to feel depressed

[sullen comet]

precisely

[jade star]

I cant see how that is desirable if you had it before you dont want to go through that again right?

[sullen comet]

simply put, if you’ve been in one state for long enough, you find a home and a comfort space in it and therefore find it harder to leave that “home”

[jade star]

Well yeah but thats not what people want because after you leave said home you realised you did nothing for a long time

Comfort doesnt always mean good for you

[sullen comet]

that’s a thought process, not an emotion. depression itself is an emotion - numbness in other words. you can want to get out of depression and still be depressed. it’s also possible to be depressed and do everything even if you really don’t want to do them. depression doesn’t always have to come as a physical symptom, while it can affect your lifestyle, it’s not always the case

[sullen comet]

oh yeah, of course

[jade star]

Kat i dont think your interpretation of depression is the same as mine

Because if depression is an emotion it would not have any other effects

Emotions cannot control your actions to the level depression can

[sullen comet]

except it would, happiness, sadness, anger, annoyance, and all the other emotions can affect the way you think therefore affecting what you do - to an extent. it’s not always the case but it can be sometimes

[sullen comet]

hmm if the emotions are intense, it can

[jade star]

Its more like you are inclined to do something or it becomes easier to do

When one is happy or sad they wanna share that with others but nothing is forcing them to act

Depression just fucks with your thought process in ways worse than most emotions

[sullen comet]

hmm

wait lemme get to my computer

okok, so numbness aka the suppression of emotion is an emotion itself just how black, the absence of color is still a color. it's also called a mental illness. mental illness messes with your head and depression messes with your head emotionally. it can affect you mentally vey deeply.

when you have depression, you either overeat or under eat, same thing can happen when you're excited, frustrated, or worried. that's literally all i can think of rn but you get the idea.

[jade star]

Ok i think i understand what you mean now

But by that logic are you saying that mental illness is merely emotions that are spiked to unnatural levels?

[sullen comet]

eh? when did i say that 😭

mental doesn't always mean emotions lol

[jade star]

Well if depression is an emotion and a mental illness

Plus you argue they work the same way

[sullen comet]

numbness is an emotion, depression is just a name for the numbness in medical terms lol

[jade star]

No no i agree with that dw

[sullen comet]

what's "they"?

[jade star]

Emotions and mental illnesses

[sullen comet]

emotions can be a mental illness but mental illnesses are not always emotion based

well the only emotion that can be a mental illness is numbness lol

can't really see otherwise

[jade star]

They are not emotion based but they can have the same result by changing how we perceive reality and act

[sullen comet]

indeed

[jade star]

Ok glad we agree

[sullen comet]

these conversations are fun until we agree on something and the conversation ends 😂

[jade star]

Oh i could do this all day i just thought you might be mad lol

[dense bane]

depression is when u feel useless

[sullen comet]

PFT

nah, it would take a lot more to make me angry 😂

[sullen comet]

hmm, yeah sometimes

[dense bane]

for me is just that

[jade star]

Yeah i just learned that most people really get pissed after a while so i got used to doing this

[sullen comet]

ahh, that’s understandable

[broken quartz]

the worst is when you stop feeling anything

[sullen comet]

LOL, it be like that sometimes. my messages can seem like i’m angry sometimes when i’m not tbh xp

[dense bane]

motivational videos with Vegeta and goggins help me lol

[sullen comet]

gotta get that dopamine

[dense bane]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-gif-24345873

[sullen comet]

when i feel like that, i sprint the heck out of me until i’m out of breath and realize that my brain is just being stupid

and boom

[dense bane]

do HSPUs and watch vegeta motivational videos

helps :))

[jade star]

Dunno if kat would get motivated by vegeta but its a nice thought pendi

[dense bane]

😂

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-train-dragonball-super-anime-訓練-gif-11687429

he can OAHSPU

very inspirational

[jade star]

I mean yeah but she would have to be a dude

But who am i kidding vegeta trumps all boundaries

[sullen comet]

eheh-

fr tho

[sullen comet]

HSPU is my goal 💪

i saw a girl at the gym do a HSPU, it was so cool to watch

[dense bane]

nice , that was my goal when i stared

now is 30kg one full ROM

[dense bane]

impressive

[sullen comet]

ikr

[sullen comet]

ooo

it’s definitely going to take me a while to get there tho xp

[dense bane]

for me was like 8 months

and 2 years for full ROM 😅

[sullen comet]

😭

uh

well i’ll get there eventually

[dense bane]

full ROM is much harder than normal floor one

u can get floor ones easy

and with time full ROM ine

but very rare to see a girl doing a full ROM one

i think just few can

full ROM is that

[sullen comet]

indeed

it’s definitely possible but a looong time

for women

[sullen comet]

ohhh

wait what does ROM stand for?

i thought it meant range of motion 😭

[dense bane]

yes

full ROM is much harder

[sullen comet]

OH

indeed

[dense bane]

floor ones are easy if u do them like that

i like that form if i want to impress ppl

[sullen comet]

easy.. i can barely do a handstand yet 😭

[fresh grail]

It's not too hard if your hands are big enough

[sullen comet]

unfortunately, as a woman who's 5'3, i have pretty small hands

question of the day

or hour

what does it mean to love someone romantically?

[fresh grail]

I think this depends on the person, because everyone has different definitions of love

[sullen comet]

then take it subjectively

[fresh grail]

My definition of love is to care about someone at at least a similar level to yourself (wanting what's best for them, wanting them to be happy, etc.) while also wanting your life and their life to be connected

[gusty ermine]

they are the most important person to you at their lowest

[celest bridge]

Love is an emotion.

[wanton lava]

an emotion

[wanton lava]

watch the rules for rulers by CGP Grey
around 20 min amazing watch

[ornate hazel]

WHAT IS LOOVE

BABY DOMNT HURT MEE

DOMT HURT ME

NO MOREE

[wanton lava]

What is love

yeah yeah

ooh ooh

I don't know why you're not there
I give you my love, but you don't care
So what is right?
And what is wrong?
Gimme a sign
What is love?
Oh baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
What is love?
Oh baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
Oh-whoa, whoa, ooh, ooh
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
Oh-whoa, whoa, ooh, ooh
Oh, I don't know, what can I do?
What else can I say, it's up to you
I know we're one, just me and you
I can't go on
What is love?
Oh baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
What is love?
Oh baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
Oh-whoa, whoa, ooh, ooh
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
Oh-whoa, whoa, ooh, ooh
What is love?
Ooh, ooh, ooh
What is love?
Ooh, ooh, ooh
What is love?
Oh baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
Don't hurt me
Don't hurt me
I want no other, no other lover
This is our life, our time
When we are together, I need you forever
Is it love?
What is love?
Oh baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
What is love?
Oh baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
Yeah
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
Oh-whoa, whoa, ooh, ooh
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
Oh-whoa, whoa, ooh, ooh
What is love?
Oh baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
What is love?
Oh baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
(Huh-huh, huh-huh)
Oh baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
(Huh-huh, huh-huh)
Oh baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
What is love?

[cloud flint]

Philosophy yap?

[ancient wharf]

True philosophy right here

I love you mushroom cow

[stone osprey]

xd

[sullen comet]

hmm

[sturdy lake]

ppl always sing that song every time i ask what is love, so i guess i’ll never know 😔

[dense bane]

i dont like songs about love

[sullen comet]

would you consider disappointment and anger the same definition?

why or why not?

[ornate hazel]

Hmm

[fresh grail]

I think that they're pretty different because disappointment could lead to anger or it could lead to sadness or a bunch of other things, anger is kind of a product of it

[jade star]

Anger can be the result of disappointment but disappointment is not anger

[sullen comet]

hmm

that's a good answer

does music have a big impact on your life? (this is a subjective question, and i'm just curious in general)

[fresh grail]

I like music because it gives background noise, and I like singing when I'm trying to focus on stuff

But I wouldn't say it's really changed my life or anything crazy

[celest bridge]

Definitely a big influence. Having the same messages being talked about in all of the songs you hear definitely changes how you think about certain things.

[fresh grail]

Was math invented or discovered?

[sturdy lake]

I think so. There was a time about 2 years ago when i was generally pessimistic and looking back, i noticed a lot of my music was sad and i guess Spotify thought I liked that and just kept giving me sad songs which I think led to the long period of pessimism 😅 wbu

[ancient wharf]

some were invented, some were discovered

in my opinion the lower grade maths (basic math) were discovered

[sullen comet]

yeah, however, for some people, they can listen to it over and over again and not so affected by it

[sullen comet]

ahh that’s understandable . yes and no. music can have an affect on me when i’m more emotionally driven and can greatly impact my emotions, but most of the time, not really. i enjoy listening to a bit of sad songs simply for the silence it gives me

[wanton lava]

discovered

cause

the quadratic formula as an example

always worked to find the value of X in ax^2 + bx + c

but people discovered it work

[sturdy lake]

yes and no describes it well lol, i for enjoy sad songs for that too. often i can feel content and calm rather than sad w them

[sullen comet]

Ohh that's nice. Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way lol

[wanton lava]

some sad songs are just so ✨vibey✨

Like honestly the song what is love is a happy song imo

[sturdy lake]

frfr for me it’s music by birdy and novo amor

[fresh grail]

Now I want to know what everyone's favorite song is

[wanton lava]

ok here are mine not categorized:
World, Hold on
B-BOY (japenese characters i can't type)
Pedro
The final Countdown
Gatluak
TBN(DONT ASK)
Moog City 2
Aria Math
Going on - Marc Benjamen
pachamana
Fireburst
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
What is love
Dry Hands
Mountain Call - bee swarm simulator soundtrack lol

those are in my liked songs playlist(I only have like 20)

[ancient wharf]

2 Minecraft songs nice

[wanton lava]

I listened alot

but I was kinda sad then

and didn't want sadness to be associated with the music so I stopped lol

[ornate hazel]

Sup

[wanton lava]

hi

[ornate hazel]

Aria math

Isn't that the minecraft one

[wanton lava]

y/n

creative mode

[stone osprey]

/gamemode set @s creative

wait no

I feel like that is the wrong command

/gamemode creative

I think

I made it more complicated xd

imagine if you had to type allat every time

I would cry

[celest bridge]

/gamemode @e creative

[sturdy lake]

not minecraft channel guys 😡😡😡😡

[reef star]

Oh hey casss how are you?

Been here in this chat

[fresh grail]

Putting the ch in chat

[sullen comet]

hmm

question of the day

what causes generational trauma?

for those who don't know google exists: generational trauma is when a parent passes his trauma onto and the child grows up and he passes on generational trauma onto his child and when the child grows up and he passes on generational trauma to his child

etcetc

what starts the trauma?

(it's normal to do corporal punishment on your child but it doesn't mean it's good)

corporal punishment: spanking, hitting, slapping, etc.

[fresh grail]

Probably trauma on one of the older generations

[sullen comet]

and then something has to start the trauma

[fresh grail]

The adult doing it to the kid

[sturdy lake]

oops

mb

[sullen comet]

where did the adult get it from?

[sturdy lake]

may i ask what trauma is in this convo

[celest bridge]

The war.

[sullen comet]

generational trauma

uhh

yelling at kids

hurting them with the “right” reasons

that sort of things

could also involve not helping learn how to process emotions

or teaching how to use words

[celest bridge]

Or even the wrong reasons. Sometimes people abuse knowing it's wrong but just don't stop for one reason or another.

[sullen comet]

or stand up for themselves

[sullen comet]

people take out anger in a physical form sometimes. its a choice, everything is a choice

just a matter of which direction you choose to take

no matter how difficult it seems

[celest bridge]

Ye. I changed the can't to don't.

[sullen comet]

just how people think they can’t get out depression or think there’s no solution

etcetc

oh

gotcha

[sturdy lake]

i guess parents can only teach what they know, and it’s prbly tough for them to share their trauma w others which makes it tough to gain other perspectives or methods.

[sullen comet]

lack of self awareness on their part then

[sturdy lake]

could be yeah. it’s possible they see it as an improvement from what their parents did, but it just doesn’t mesh w the current world as we understand it.

So they see it like , it’s better than what I had, and then we see it as like still harmful.

[sullen comet]

indeed

[sturdy lake]

also idk what ought to be done, bc i know a lot of families who do a thing called “gentle parenting”, go to family therapists regularly, etc. but then the kids still feel they have the trauma of like being misunderstood, not having enough guidance, anxieties from expectations and pressures, etc.

so from cases like those i’ve seen ppl start feeling iffy about how the word trauma is used, and so thats why i wanted to ask and understand/clarify what you used it to mean in this convo

[sullen comet]

i hate to term “gentle parenting” because that sounds like parents are coddling and that’s simply not true. i’ve read multiple child development books and multiple books on how parents actually should be parenting children in a way it’s not coddling. people don’t do “gentle parenting” anymore because it’s too much “work” so parents just like to go the easier route and punish them into fearing them.

ik it’s not really relevant to the topic but i just wanted to say lol

[sturdy lake]

yeah true, i have seen the misunderstanding lol

[sullen comet]

however, i do get the point you’re getting at. you’re definitely not wrong. there’s such a thing as “gentle parenting” them in a way it can be misinterpreted or misused

ig, i should’ve been more specific when i said “generational trauma” lol

[sturdy lake]

i kinda just went off of what u listed here lol

[sturdy lake]

what books did u read btw, i could use an intro

[sullen comet]

yeah that’s understandable

[sullen comet]

how to talk so kids will listen and how to listen so kids will talk is my favorite one

the ladies of the book give real life events that actually happened

so it’s really helpful how to implement the techniques

[sturdy lake]

is it this one?

[sullen comet]

https://a.co/d/1rvzVZL this one

[sturdy lake]

sweett ty

[sullen comet]

of course :]

[sturdy lake]

oh i think we went off topic 😭

[sullen comet]

😂

nothing wrong with that lol

hmm well lemme rephrase the question then: what starts generational trauma (aka childhood trauma)?

well

it was already kinda answered

tbh

just curious if yall know tho lol

[sturdy lake]

was this a test

[sullen comet]

basically

i did this multiple times lol, i ask a question i already know the answer to

[sturdy lake]

[sullen comet]

it’s also just fun to watch y’all debate on something that already has a definite answer on

[sturdy lake]

noted

[sullen comet]

lol

alrighty

[sturdy lake]

wow we are in a puppet show for ur entertainment and u are pulling the strings 😩

do u reveal the definite answer? idk this topic much

my best guess is just modeling

[ornate hazel]

Sup ham I've had like no free time 😭

Working a 12 hour shift is NOT good for your mental health

[ornate hazel]

My aunt thinks she does "gentle parenting"

But her child is a spoiled brat who gets whatever he wants

[ornate hazel]

Average kat W lol

[reef star]

Ohh yeah you've been on the bartender grind. How's it been?

[ornate hazel]

Honestly the job isn't so bad

But I work 9pm to 9am so I basically have no social life outside of work

[sullen comet]

LOL

[sullen comet]

i can, do you want me to reveal the answer?

[sullen comet]

.. she just gave up on parenting 💀

[fresh grail]

Parenting is easy I don't get why people have trouble with it

[sullen comet]

not really. it requires a lot patience because a lot of times, it looks like the cihld is trying to agitate the parents but that's not the case 100% of the time

i'm assuming you never babysat a toddler before lol

[fresh grail]

I did it was fun

Toddlers are cute when you're not the one changing their diapers

[sullen comet]

ohhhh

well actually that’s understandable

some toddlers are well behaved

just a matter of what you have to do to make them like that

xp

[fresh grail]

I let him stay up 10 minutes past his bed time

[sturdy lake]

yes im ready

[sullen comet]

new question

what is consciousness?

[broken quartz]

as fleeting as the present consciousness is only something granted to those conscious, it can leave as quickly as it comes

[sullen comet]

i accidentally deleted my paragraph that i was typing up. i'll probably do a vm or just type it up later lol

[fresh grail]

I think, therefore I am

[sullen comet]

The answer to this question: where does generational trauma come from?The answer is this:

There's a lot of different types and sources for where it can come from but one of the most common causes stems from childhood, however, it can also still come from adulthood. Some examples are neglecting the child's needs such as a lack of love or attention which can result in depression or attention seekers or becoming narcissists. There are other things that can result from this. And yelling tends to have a negative impact and can also cause trama because it triggers a stress hormones to be released in the brain and means the child has higher chances of having high anxiety and affects learning ability. It also encourages them to do the same and develop unhealthy ways of expressing their emotions.

That's just the gist of it but you get the idea

[sullen comet]

@sturdy lake

[sullen comet]

lol a simple yet true answer

[sullen comet]

and where do those thoughts come from?

[fresh grail]

Chemical reactions in our brains

[sullen comet]

yeah; neurons

[fresh grail]

Exactly

[reef star]

Wow! Monday - Friday?

[sturdy lake]

ah i see

[sullen comet]

is it possible to have a mental illness and you don't have any physical symptoms whatsoever? (like depression, anxiety, PTSD, etc.)

[sullen comet]

lol

oh, and one more question, this question is subjective and mostly out of curiosity so take it subjectively cause there's literally no objective answer to this lol: what's your favorite quote?

and if you don't have a favorite quote: what's your motto?

@here

AHH

well i knew it wouldn't work lol

[shut perch]

“I have legs, I have two legs. Two fucking legs that’s the maximum amount, I fucking love having two legs. I fucking love it”

[celest bridge]

An eye for an eye.

[wanton lava]

yeah, but depressed people sleep longer and spend more time in REM sleep. Some cases of OCD as an example

[sullen comet]

possibly. they can also gain insomnia, but ik a few people who haven't let it affect their sleep so

well, it could affect the sleep quality tho

[ornate hazel]

Yeah, but my manager is very lenient so I can take days of whenever I ask

[ornate hazel]

I MISSED THE QUESTION

[ornate hazel]

An eye for an eye and the whole world would be blind

I don't like that saying

[sullen comet]

you have a point there

[ornate hazel]

People should forgive more often

It creates unnecessary quarrels

[shut perch]

Forget but never forgive

[ornate hazel]

Forgive but never forget

[ornate hazel]

You could get hurt again

[sullen comet]

revenge is a dirty place to be

[ornate hazel]

Vinland saga

[sullen comet]

it's dangerous for yourself and others

LOL

REAL

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yk i just started watching vinland saga again

and man, the kid

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YEAHHH LETSGOOO ASKELADDD 🔥🔥

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FR

ASKELAD IS ONE SMART VILLIAN

[ornate hazel]

could you call him a villain?

Hmm

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hmm

[ornate hazel]

He was doing what he had to for his people

It was the way of a viking in that time

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hmm

[ornate hazel]

Objectively he wasn't worse than others

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ig you're right

considering he did do it to help his hometown

i feel like he and thorfinn would've been a really strong pair if thorfinn and askelad kept going

[ornate hazel]

YEAHH

If only thorfinn learned to forgive

But hey that never happened

But askeladd basically killed himself for canute

Was it a suicide attempt?

Dunno

[sullen comet]

yeah, ig thor's words weren't enough for thorfinn to rethink his choices

even tho thor is literally the person he's trying to get revenge for

[ornate hazel]

It's a loop really

[ornate hazel]

We have to consider the fact that he was a child

He was enslaved at 15

When askeladd died I mean

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SPOILER ALERT AHHHH (i already watched it, i just forgot how he died lol)

[ornate hazel]

LMAO SORRY

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true

[ornate hazel]

I forgor

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he didn't really have any guidance after thor died

i just want to give him a hug

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LOL it's okay 😂

[ornate hazel]

Fuck he would probably stab you 😭

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AHAHHA

[ornate hazel]

I love talking about vs it's so peak

Season 2 was a masterpiece

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fr tho

it has so much meaning

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i'll let you know when i get there then hehe

[ornate hazel]

Lmaoo okay

[celest bridge]

I've always seen it as more than just holding grudges. You give me an eye than I also give back an eye. I've always seen it as a thing of like, giving the world back what it gives me, both the good and the bad.

[sullen comet]

if i hit you, then you hit me, then i hit you, then you hit me. the cycle would just keep on going. that's what it means to give an eye for an eye. it would never end. eye for an eye is like: "the dude starts a war, we should do a war back to them" "he invaded us AHH, we should get back at them" etcetc.

it's just a bad idea overrall

[ornate hazel]

Hmm

Yeah sure but that's just a recipe for more chaos. If we all just keep giving back the same shit we get, we’ll never move forward. The world doesn’t need more revenge, it needs people to acc stop the cycle. ‘An eye for an eye’ only makes everyone blind—literally AND figuratively sks

[sullen comet]

you explained it a whole lot better than i did xp

[ornate hazel]

We said the same lol

[celest bridge]

And instead I should just let people hit me without doing anything back? And also if let's say we both of the same mentality of an eye for an eye than guess what, after I hit you back the grudge is over. An eye for an eye. You take mine and I took it back. Retaliating to a retaliation is the issue here which is not what the saying is about.

[sullen comet]

yeah but you worded it better lol

imo anyway

[ornate hazel]

Thanks lol we share the same perspective I suppose

[ornate hazel]

Retaliation might end the grudge, but it doesn't heal anything. It just keeps the pain alive. The problem actuallt isn’t the first hit it’s the idea that hitting back ever solves anything

I see where you are coming from but I simply disagree

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okok lemme take an example from today in #🤸▸『』calisthenics : there was this potato dude and he was trying to prove something. he insulted someone saying uhh "idiot" or something like that and the dude that got insulted would insult him back. and the potato dude insulted him back and the dude insulted back. eventually, the potato dude stopped and probably went offline.

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but, you can also stand up for yourself without having to take an eye for an eye

you always have a choice

[ornate hazel]

People who forgive are strong

It's hard to do that

Existence cooking up smth 🔥🔥

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it is

it's a lot harder to do good than bad

[gusty ermine]

actual social situations aren't this simple, there's a lot of factors involved in making that kind of decision. If someone hits you in bar, it is a very bad idea to hit them back because 1. Their friends are probably close by and would gang up on you if you do that making it life threatening, 2. The bouncers will intervene and throw both of you and call the police on both of you, 3. They might have a weapon, 4. They might follow you when you leave, etc. About physical retaliation, most of the time the right answer is to maintain distance or remove yourself from the situation if you can't, inform the authorities and make yourself seen in all cases for alibi.

More generally, forgiving someone everytime they do something stupid is stupid itself because that enables further behaviour, and retaliating everytime someone does something is stupid as well because that doesn't leave any room for human error.

It goes like this: If it happens once, forgive them, if it happens twice, let it go but keep it in mind, if it happens thrice, confront them, if it happens any more than that, end your connection with them

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couldn't have been said any better

[ornate hazel]

W

"Forgive but don't forget"

[celest bridge]

I suppose.

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tumbleweed

[wanton lava]

I learned in psych 100 that they spend more time in REM sleep and less in slow wave, and need more sleep

[wanton lava]

nah just kick them in the shins really hard

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OH

[wanton lava]

?

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wait that actually makes sense why i always wake up sleepy despite getting all my hrs in lol

[wanton lava]

yeah maybe

I had to quit depression

because I wasn't recovering from my workouts fast enough

😢

[wanton lava]

or you could need more sleep than 8

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ehh

it’s honestly off and on

[wanton lava]

how old are you

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18

pretty much done with puberty

[wanton lava]

ok

are you depressed/narcoleptic/insomniac

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maybe, most likely, no

[wanton lava]

has it always been the case?

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uhh, no. i used to be a child that was bubbly, a little shy, and energetic

[wanton lava]

ok

do you go to sleep at the same time every night?

can be late or early

it doesn't matter as long as its consistent

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lol

you suddenly became my therapist

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yeah

i would say so

[wanton lava]

hm

[wanton lava]

6 wk course

and a lot of false confidese and boosk

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1i7gtUNK7yUtKWSSshCtueO6_WtCxsGixpF4jd1YAg5g/edit#slide=id.g30ebced42c0_0_13

This was supposed to be my share sessions presentation

you should read it

[reef star]

That's cool

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ooo bet

if you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

that sounds weird 💀

ignore that question lol

the brain rot lesson 💀

[stone osprey]

I love brain rot

[ancient wharf]

Me too

[ancient wharf]

At what age do males usually start growing beards?

[sullen comet]

it varies. some men get it early and some men get it late. my brother started growing his beard at 15 or 16. i’ve seen some of my classmates start growing their beard at 14 but it’s not that common

[ancient wharf]

yeah i started growing one when i was 13 but i see soo many people struggling with beard growth

its genetic ig

[wanton lava]

💀

I forgot that was there

[wanton lava]

I started at the end of 13

because I was testoserone maxxing

its dependent on your parents and your testoserone

[ancient wharf]

yeah i just checked that out

i have high test maybe

[wanton lava]

how old are you

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15 rn

wbu

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😳

im like the youngest here

im turning 14 on the 14th

[ancient wharf]

oh nice

[wanton lava]

yeah

[ancient wharf]

i looked at high test signs and low test signs

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huh, you're a lot mature than i thought you'd be

[wanton lava]

I read a lot

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especially at 14

[ancient wharf]

and i have some of both the signs

[ancient wharf]

what type of books

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oh same, what types of books do you want?

[wanton lava]

I used to be depressed, and since im cured I'm more mature

[ancient wharf]

good

[wanton lava]

self help / nonfiction

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understandable

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not really good

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?

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no child should be experiencing depression at 14

[ancient wharf]

no like i meant that he is cured now

that is good

[wanton lava]

honestly

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oh

[wanton lava]

psychologically speaking I didn't have sh*t

[sullen comet]

oh right, my apologies

[wanton lava]

I was just sad a lot

[ancient wharf]

it is very common in poor countries like mine

i can say i also had some bad past

[wanton lava]

i live in a rich country, its just I've been sad for awhile and then after changing somethings I stopped being sad

Its not really depression ig

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hm

depression is more like numbness than sadness

[wanton lava]

like mindset and stuff

[wanton lava]

yeah

[ancient wharf]

yeah mindset matters alot honestly

[wanton lava]

once you fix your mindset, you can make goals, and habits

[ancient wharf]

yes

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yeah

[wanton lava]

but you need to fix your mindset or you will burn out

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sometimes that isn't even enough tho

[ancient wharf]

right now im proud of myself

doing good in studies

[wanton lava]

nice

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what makes my parents happy makes me happy

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that's good

ig

just try not to be a people pleaser

bad things can come out of it

[ancient wharf]

yeah i only try hard to please my parents

nobody else