[WIP] [PAID] 1995-1997 Holden Commodore VS Wagon

[hearty path]

Looks very promising so far.

[leaden sleet]

Thank you

[hearty path]

No problem, best of luck to you.

[odd gull]

why is your first car mod paid? seems a bit odd especially since its a real life car (which i doubt youve licenced)

[wintry quartz]

Looking strong

[leaden sleet]

Whats wrong with it being a paid mod, ive paid for things on it, and its not gonna be done badly, i know some of the best australian modders so theyve shown me how to do things properly

How many other people have had their stuff licensed?

Im modelling heaps on this car and its not like what all the americans do with the muscle cars and whatever, none of these parts have ever been made so people can pay a little bit for it

[odd gull]

how are we meant to know if you are a good modder if we cant test anything youve done

[leaden sleet]

Does it look bad?

How are you meant to know if its bad?

[odd gull]

thats the thing

there are plenty of good looking mods that are just utter trash

[leaden sleet]

Its being professionally jbeamed so that wont be an issue

All the textures look great, plenty of people have told me that

Its low poly to the max

It will have plenty of customization besides stock parts

[odd gull]

well uh
modeled badges, no beveled edge normals

thats the bare minimum

[leaden sleet]

What?

[odd gull]

why would you model a really flat badge when it could just be a texture

[leaden sleet]

I made it low poly, what is your problem

[leaden sleet]

Because that looks crap, irl they are very rounded

[odd gull]

the body textures and most in general have normal maps in the edges to make them look beveled, yours dont

its something very important

[leaden sleet]

Im still working on making front end optimized but all the work that i PAID to be made is really low quality, or as they say, good for crashing

[leaden sleet]

Never heard of a normal map for edges

[odd gull]

look at any vanilla beamng car

[leaden sleet]

Seriously what crawled up you, wake up on the wrong side of bed?

Ive about had enough of your attitude when ive never talked to you

[odd gull]

nothng

[leaden sleet]

Well there seems to be no reason to be a dick

[odd gull]

im just suspicious when someone that has never posted anything publicly makes a paid mod as their first mod

[leaden sleet]

Right

So have i proved anything

Ive modded assetto corsa for 4 years, im not dumb

[odd gull]

well yeah you have

is all g

[leaden sleet]

I moved to beamng because of the community in ac is terrible

[polar willow]

and you think this community is any better

[rugged oar]

Nice

[shut spindle]

Maybe just do like a small free mod to start so you get a little trust like an addon pack then make this

[small oracle]

paid real car mod? 🚓

[soft mason]

Is that like a condemned thing to do here? I've seen some certain people sell real cars as paid. I know from a licensing standpoint it's sketchy but I dunno if realistically risky. Not meaning this as passive aggressive just genuinely curious

[odd gull]

technically it is ilegal, they dont go after you because well who cares

since it is their IP after all

you are no different to a AAA studio in this case

[soft mason]

yeah fair nuff, what I thought about it aswell

[leaden sleet]

Don’t you worry, people are bottom of the barrel where I came from

[leaden sleet]

Why

[hardy otter]

Are we gonna get a demo of this?

[leaden sleet]

Nope, I’ve paid enough money to feel I can post it paid

[hardy otter]

how much is it gonna cost if i shall ask?

[leaden sleet]

It’ll be on a tier with 20 mods from assetto for 20-30 bucks, not sure how I’m going to do it exactly yet but something like that

Might make it 15 only buyable as a post

[hardy otter]

15 is WAY too much for a single car and for a beamng mod as it is

i feel like this mod could also get sedan variants of the VS platform as a whole, it has a lot of potential

[leaden sleet]

Idk, I put a wheelpack up for 10 not expecting people to pay for the post and legit 15 people did in the first couple days

[leaden sleet]

I’m not doing sedan since my mate has already started doing that

[thin monolith]

HSVs good, I trust him. You’ve got my word

[odd gull]

i highly suggest you look at beamng mod pricings

The highest quality mods are like 5€ at most

[thin monolith]

Yea 15 is a bit much

But thats aud dont forgot

[leaden sleet]

That’s euro is it not

[thin monolith]

10 in our money

[odd gull]

yes

[leaden sleet]

I just thought that it being the same price as a wheelpack doesn’t make sense yk

I was gonna say 10 originally but then remembered that

I might just make a separate Patreon for beamng because it’s hard to price when there so much on one tier

[thin monolith]

Yea. I originally thought that, but i cant lie, after modelling wheels myself, id personally be pricing a good wheelpack at the price of a decent car mod. That shit takes effort lol

[leaden sleet]

Yea well like I said I thought people would just buy the tier for 20 and gets EVERYTHING on the thing but people think different

[odd gull]

https://www.patreon.com/cw/lj74nz
https://lucasbeoff.gumroad.com/
https://szantosz.gumroad.com/
https://www.patreon.com/posts/aw-t-wagen-90-99-137641504
https://fswbng.gumroad.com/l/1989avior
id use these as reference, these are the highest quality paid mods there are

[thin monolith]

Id personally put up a seperate tier for Beam mods, start on maybe 7-10 dollars for it. About what BK mods and stuff started with. And then as you add mods maybe increase it by a few bucks. And u can always put mods up in the shop as individual purchases, but id do it for a little worse value, so people buy the more expensive, but better value tier

[odd gull]

thing is theres like not a lot of overlap between asseto an beamng, or nearly enough to guarantee bundling them in yk

[marsh flume]

your crazy

[leaden sleet]

Yea but I look at it as no one does these cars, that’s just looks like a Ferrari you could put in from Forza

[thin monolith]

We run by people like GXL Mods and CFW for pricing, because they’re the Australian alternatives kind of lol

[leaden sleet]

No offence to bk mods but they started as meshslaps no?

[odd gull]

which looks like a ferrar you coult put in from forza?

[marsh flume]

yeah no

[leaden sleet]

The one I looked at

[odd gull]

https://szantosz.gumroad.com/l/mondello?layout=profile ? this one

[leaden sleet]

Yea

[odd gull]

its pretty high quality

[thin monolith]

Dunno. Ive heard that the GQ may be one. But ive looked at the jbeam, its not too shit, and fuck they seem to despise the GQ now they’ve finished the troopy lol

[leaden sleet]

Yea I’m not saying it isn’t, just not as unseen as an Ausspec car

No one has Australian car models like this

[odd gull]

oh i mean i was just saying for reference

in terms of like

what general beamng mods are priced at

[leaden sleet]

Yea I was thinking of yakiddins starter cars all the holdens

[leaden sleet]

Yea ok

[thin monolith]

Different peer groups though

[thin monolith]

True

[thin monolith]

Very different community to the Australian community

[leaden sleet]

I think I’m just thinking of how much I’m going and have spent on it but I just gotta think of the long run bc I’m hoping I can recoup

[odd gull]

ig yeah

all of the ones i sent are mostly all made by 1 person

lj74 and lucasbe especially

[leaden sleet]

Yea

I’m gonna price it at 12.50, that’s about roughly what I’ve seen converts from usd to Aud

On what people do

[odd gull]

1250 aud or usd

[leaden sleet]

I believe it’s reasonable

[leaden sleet]

Aid

lol

Aud

[thin monolith]

Yea whats that like 9usd

6.25 pounds

[odd gull]

7€

if you mention pricing please mention its aud or have a comparable us price

[leaden sleet]

Something like that

[odd gull]

otehrwise people are gonna thing you charging 12$ not 12 aud

people have a lack of reading here

[leaden sleet]

Where on here or something, I thought on Patreon it had what currency it was

[odd gull]

on here and if you do a forum post

[thin monolith]

Yea @leaden sleet Do a forums post

[leaden sleet]

I was gonna but it wouldn’t let me upload photos bc of 2 fa, I was too lazy to do that when I was gonna

[thin monolith]

Really good for reputation and widening your customer group.

But if you’re unlucky you’ll get all the free mods only Karens having a shit at you

[leaden sleet]

Eh f**k ‘em

[thin monolith]

Oh true.

Its pretty easy, ive set it up. Forums is good to get you a good reputation with a lot of the very good modders.

[leaden sleet]

Yea I’ve seen the forums get heaps of attention

[thin monolith]

Its where i run everything off. I started there, then widened to discord, then a few months ago i sold my server and went back to forums full time

[rustic hornet]

He's doing nothing

I've also seen this mod posted on a beamNG.drive Community facebook page and u siad it was ur first mod

and by the photos it did not look that that good but its looks alright now

its not paid quality

How much is this mod?

[leaden sleet]

How isn’t it

[rustic hornet]

Lacks a lot of detail as its your first mod.

Look at LucusBE's mods

Look

I would release a couple free mods to get better then do paid

How much is the mod gonna be?

[leaden sleet]

How do you know that?

Yea I said it was my first mod but that doesn’t mean I’m not gonna go all out

Like I said to another person I’m not inexperienced with modding, it’s only this game I haven’t done before and I’ve been taught how to do what I’m gonna do properly

[leaden sleet]

Haven’t fully decided yet

[rustic hornet]

How much is the mod gonna be

like

[leaden sleet]

I just said

[rustic hornet]

how much do u WANT it to be

I saw

[leaden sleet]

12.50 Aud

[rustic hornet]

I was sending as u sent

[leaden sleet]

Which converts to 9 ish murica

[rustic hornet]

8$?

[leaden sleet]

About that idk

[rustic hornet]

eh

Better then spadies junk GTA models that cost 12$

[leaden sleet]

Who

[rustic hornet]

Spaide

[leaden sleet]

Who

[rustic hornet]

Another modder-

[leaden sleet]

Yea ok

Meshslaps?

[rustic hornet]

Yes

[leaden sleet]

Yea I’m getting this jbeamed properly

For starters as well

[rustic hornet]

She takes GTA models and converts them or whatever to beamNG models and sells them for 12$ 😭

yeah

[leaden sleet]

lol

Yea definitely not from another game this car, these models don’t exist

[rustic hornet]

Some of the modders that sell in here- besides the guy who sold a skin pack for 10 or 9$ USD. keeps it under 4 or 5$ USD

So like just a recommendation stay under like 6$ for paid but

Most of the time people get hated on for selling mods 7+$

[leaden sleet]

No one can recreate this car though, unless they want to model everything like I did, the rest of the stuff people do is a lore friendly car or a real car that they’ve converted from somewhere

[rustic hornet]

Yeha

I see

I don't think ANYONE has ever made a Honden Commodore in this year before

[leaden sleet]

Yea well I mean the models that don’t come from Forza

I have mates that sell their cars for about that price, I’m planning on have that as a tier for multiple cars anyways

[leaden sleet]

Show the people that have done them

[rustic hornet]

I see

Isn't Holden a GM brand

Holden Acaida

Imagine they made one of those rebadged

OH MY GOSH THEY DID

[leaden sleet]

Yep

Imports

[rustic hornet]

Holden Terrain?

[leaden sleet]

Just like your Pontiac gtos and g8’s are holdens

[leaden sleet]

Never heard of that one

[rustic hornet]

Hmmmm

[rustic hornet]

its kinda like a 2010-2017 gmc terrain

do yall have those

[leaden sleet]

Nope

We didn’t get anything like that

[rustic hornet]

Dang

[leaden sleet]

We had those and Colorados rodeos that was it really

[rustic hornet]

Ah dang

[leaden sleet]

[WIP] 1995-1997 Holden Commodore VS Wagon

[thin monolith]

I see what you did lmfao

[leaden sleet]

Sick of telling people

I’m not inexperienced with making something top tier just because it’s my first mod doesn’t mean it’s gonna be bad

[thin monolith]

Yea

[polar willow]

i think this mod being paid is fine

[hardy otter]

hold on didn't you say you paid for the model to be made

[leaden sleet]

oh right ill word it better for you

[mild belfry]

How someone just allowed it being here

[leaden sleet]

Me model lots, not shell of car

[leaden sleet]

Thank you, people need to think the same, or atleast think about what their saying before they send it

[hardy otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1310323253667172452/1433071400540700783/attachment.gif

[thin monolith]

Agreed

Just gotta let the Beamng Karens have their 23 hour shift of karening each day

[thin monolith]

Idk

I got more

[mild belfry]

You can get banned for it i think

[pure mesa]

Omg another free Aussie mod

Yay

Wait so it's not free?

[thin monolith]

Looked at rules, theres nothing specifically saying so. And if there is, i would be warned and timed out, not banned as it wasn’t an extreme violation

[leaden sleet]

Nope sick of telling the knowitalls why it will be

[mild belfry]

I dont think that a picture that shows the guy from 1944 germany would be """"ok""""

Well, idk

[crimson locust]

ok can we get to talkin abou this vehicle

[rustic hornet]

Is this mod gonna have working wipers or whatnot

[leaden sleet]

Never seen that as an option, probably definetely not

[severe notch]

there a seperate mod on the repo that i pretty sure u can make i compatable

[leaden sleet]

Oh right, might look into it then

[odd gull]

i mean technically they are breaking one

@leaden sleet you gotta put [PAID] in the title

[severe notch]

yeah its for the cintilla i think idrk tho

[leaden sleet]

yea ok

[WIP] [PAID] 1995-1997 Holden Commodore VS Wagon

[thin monolith]

Idk, its not promoting it, its the opposite.

I can assure you im not some racist dumbass

[thin monolith]

Eh

Whateverrrrrr

Ill delete it

To avoid hurting the poor feelings of the discord karens

[leaden sleet]

Calais S2 trim level with the 304 V8 option and venetian blinds

[sage summit]

370 dont listen to these fucking sooks. Crying omg its a paid mod.. Yea it should be with the amount of work and money hes put into the models.

My shit is paid. Guess what idgaf... If the real brand has an issue they can contact me lol.
100 bucks half of the people sooking about a paid have paid for mods..

I have it, So fucking worth it. For his first mod. Its more optimized then half the popular mods out there

[restive sorrel]

i have had the privilege of using this car and it is 100% worth money

[leaden sleet]

Haha

Thanks guys

[sage summit]

Much love hmie x

[restive sorrel]

no wucken furries

[leaden sleet]

So far from ready as well

[gaunt void]

lots of work put into it thats for sure, and for a first mod it's honestly amazing.

[fluid helm]

is there a planned price for it?

[severe notch]

for real best wagon model out cant wait for the it will be 100% worth it when he releases it dunno why that dude was complaining

[leaden sleet]

12.50 AUD

Very unfinished Sexspec Config, looks ugly but this is what the early 2000's resembled

[soft mason]

lmao sexspec is an unavoidable need

[leaden sleet]

Wheels wont be included sadly

[soft mason]

it's ok

the normals on it seem quite dodgy now that I look at it lol

regardless of the wheels, the shaved rear looks nice

[leaden sleet]

Yea i could fix them if they were mine

[leaden sleet]

Thanks, im not a fan but its accurate

[gaunt void]

shaved rear= 🤢

[soft mason]

I like minitrucking stuff so I don't mind it

[leaden sleet]

Your face=🤮

[lofty jackal]

The shading here doesn’t look quite right

[leaden sleet]

Executive Series 2 Manual config

[lofty jackal]

Also I recommend adding edge normals here, it’ll make it look a lot better and edges less sharp.
Looks like a very good 3d model but normal maps are also very important for these details.
To the engine too.
(Sorry if that’s planned and the texture is unfinished)

[leaden sleet]

Yea ive been shown and told, im in the process of doing all that now

Thanks

@lofty jackal

[lofty jackal]

Nice!

[odd gull]

@leaden sleet this could probably be solved with data transfer by using a flat version without the fue cap

or if you cant ge t it to work you can just normal map a circle

[leaden sleet]

Ok, first need to figure out how to bake it haha

Tutorial finding the next time im on

[smoky owl]

https://tenor.com/view/vs-commodore-holden-ute-holden-ute-australia-gif-17535904500121626827

[rocky sentinel]

I'll surely pay for this beauty!!!

Just a curiosity: will be there a LHD version?

[restive sorrel]

No LHD version as it is an Australian only market car

[normal eagle]

Ayeee your that guy from Facebook

[mild belfry]

Arl

[soft mason]

it realistically isn't going to cause any loss for the manufacturer. If it would, they would go after these mods much more. Yea it's ethically dodgy, as you are "stealing" a design. But not for an actual car or something you are planning to make big profit with. And big companies can hardly sustain themselves in these times, without being ethically dodgy in other fields.

And it's not like modders give you the same car IRL for much cheaper, they just give people a car to enjoy that looks like X manufacturer's car, idk how that hurts the big companies

Still a ton of effort from the modder's part, it's hard to recreate a real car painstakingly when you know all the people that use it may or will point out inaccuracies if it looks off, and so it has to be spot on. I think one who spends that much time on something should be rewarded for it.

[gritty canopy]

15 quid for a mod

Can almost buy the game for that much 😂😂😂

First mod being paid is a bit criminal

And a paid real world mod...... You've defo got the licences and approval to do that from holden/gm .....

[soft mason]

it's not even 15 quid

[odd gull]

12.5aud is like 7€

[sage summit]

Yet you support no hesi...

They don't have licences for their car mods.

[tidal belfry]

They require you to have dlcs to use them that has the license, your point?

[sage summit]

They don't have licences to make custom mods of those cars...

[tidal belfry]

They don't need to for the free ones. The ones locked behind their subscriptions is true tho. Your point is only relevant to the ones paying the subscription which i don't. So u have no point when it comes to me

[sage summit]

Your dense.

[floral heart]

Out of 0/10 how intractable do you think the mod will be to whom ever is making this mod

Licenses are a fortune major profit margins on niche mods aren’t really enough to justify even bothering to license

If you could even get one

[sage summit]

^

[tidal belfry]

I'm not paying their subscription so how do I supporting no hesi?

[sage summit]

You make me loose brain cells

[tidal belfry]

Clearly enough for you to avoid answering the question.

[sage summit]

As in?

[gritty canopy]

Ok that's better but more than LJ or lucas would charge....

[odd gull]

true that but its still a fair price

[soft mason]

eventually the price has to go up for all mods because inflation is everywhere

[sage summit]

It's a fair price considering he's spent alot of his own money and time on models to be custom made for our enjoyment for a little cost

[odd gull]

and beamng mods are just very cheap in general

anything thats like a expensive subscription or something thats like 10-15+ € is a bit much but 7 is still fair

[sage summit]

I know some modders charging $25+ USD for a single car..

[odd gull]

bruh thats literally more than the game

[sage summit]

I know

I think 370 also forgot to state his wip isnt paid it's private. He dosent release anything unless it's perfect in his eyes and he a picky mofo.

He spent like an hour with me just to make my taillight uv better in blender.

[floral heart]

I also can’t imagine a company would support their cars being crushed also goes under fair use if I’m not wrong

[floral heart]

Openable working buttons moving parts etc

[odd gull]

uh then why would it be posted here?

it is against the rules

[sage summit]

Believe like a normal beam car, All doors openable, Suspension etc

[floral heart]

Nice

I need to learn to make basic mods tbh I want to make a traffic pack 😭

[sage summit]

He showcasing his mod no?

Please enlighten how it's against the rules to post this

[floral heart]

If I had to guess it’s because it’s not a public mod

I’m not 100 percent on the rules for showcase tho as well I don’t post or have perms to post

[sage summit]

It will be a public paid mod once it's done..

While it's in the wip stage it's private..

[floral heart]

Isn’t that for all mods

[odd gull]

yeah

[soft mason]

no paid early access is what we're getting at

[odd gull]

i thought you meant he was showcasing a mod he was never going to release

which would break this rule

[soft mason]

yeah thought the same when I first read it

[sage summit]

Yea I just read that and was middle of typing a break down

Sorry for the confusion

Yea wip is private to himself and testers which are close friends of his.

But once it's done he will be releasing it paid. Sorry for the confusion

[soft mason]

it's okay, it's all clear

[floral heart]

Not your fault no need to apologize

[sage summit]

Even with the version I have which isn't the latest it is wonderful. Optimised wonderfully

Amazing textures

[floral heart]

What car ?

[sage summit]

The one this forum is about..

I'm one of the testers for it

[floral heart]

Sorry I spaced for a bit

[floral heart]

Nice

[odd gull]

yeah when its wip you generally assume its private
wip-beta-released is public wip
paid-ea is well paid early access lol

[sage summit]

Yea, Sorry for the confusion

[rustic hornet]

Nice, are those hubcaps? And is this gonna have a custom engine sound

[sage summit]

Yes has custom engine sounds

[sage summit]

No they're a rim

[leaden sleet]

Ok, don’t get it then

[leaden sleet]

Yes yes

[leaden sleet]

?

[leaden sleet]

Yea I thought they were worth more than there are since you get a whole trim selection of parts to select and a way better physics engine then most games

[polar willow]

like will it have interior buttons, openable doors etc

[cloud spear]

Oh boy, Lichi's on the case here

[odd gull]

wrong

[odd gull]

i would love it to stay like that, since its still enough money for doing it as a side gig, but not enough to be a job, and that way most people can still afford them too

[leaden sleet]

Yea I don’t wanna release an unfinished mod, I won’t be releasing the VN to vp range with the first release though

[leaden sleet]

Doors do already open, I can try doing in the interior buttons

[leaden sleet]

Yea it’s a shame

This must be the most controversial mod ever post gawd dam

[odd gull]

no

you just are well

replying

instead of ignoring everyone

[leaden sleet]

Yea well

[odd gull]

(what most scumbag modders do essentially)

[leaden sleet]

Don’t want people to just start saying that it’s got this and this and is missing all this detail

[polar willow]

you're doing a good job (i think)

[rustic hornet]

I take back what I said XD. It had a lot of detail lol

[polar willow]

if i could justify spending this much money on a beamng mod i would buy it but I've got better things to buy like food

[leaden sleet]

What, 12.50 Aud is too much for you?

[polar willow]

yeah kinda

[leaden sleet]

I’m going to end up spending atleast 300 dollars on parts and jbeaming this in the end

Jeez

Ah well

Build a bridge

Ig

[rustic hornet]

Also I would make this mod really hard too leak. Because someone by the name of Bruno loves leaking mods on modland

[polar willow]

I knoww you've spent a lot of moneon on this but i'm probably not gonna spend more than 5 euro on something i'm gonna use once or twice

[leaden sleet]

How would I make it hard to leak, plus idc about leaking, I just don’t wanna see the model ripped and put into another game

This car doesn’t exist in ANY other game

[leaden sleet]

Yea I can understand that

[polar willow]

so its nothing aganst you

[sage summit]

Dont get it then simple

[leaden sleet]

No need to be like that, that’s all their saying

It’s fine

I wouldn’t buy a bmw i3968292 mod since I’m not interested in them and I wouldn’t use it

[polar willow]

when i have spare money i might buy it
no promises though

does it come with a barra

[leaden sleet]

Not irl

[polar willow]

o ok

[leaden sleet]

Not really set on putting one in because all the models are bad

[polar willow]

ah ok

[leaden sleet]

I’m going to put an rb30 in it as well as ls1

As aftermarket engines

[odd gull]

does the current engine have proper textures

it looks a bit

odd

[leaden sleet]

Blower options, turbo options

[leaden sleet]

What the v8 or v6

[odd gull]

v8

[leaden sleet]

The v6 is the Legran engine with a different top

[leaden sleet]

How

[odd gull]

does it have AO?

[leaden sleet]

No, you get away without doing that most of the time but I might do it to the engine covers and intake runners

[odd gull]

trust me you should do it

[leaden sleet]

This is what the v6 is meant to look like

[odd gull]

this section here looks way too clean

so eeither do some ao based grime or add ao (or do both, which is the standard)

[leaden sleet]

This is the v8

[leaden sleet]

I’ve used cube projection on that so I need to unwrap it differently

For an ao to work

[odd gull]

wait you dont have actual textures?

[leaden sleet]

Wdym

[odd gull]

this

single material

[leaden sleet]

I don’t know how to use substance

So that’s not an option

[odd gull]

you should learn

also

thats not substance painter

those are blender materials

excluding the engine block since tahts vanilal textures, i texture verything with blender procedural materials

[leaden sleet]

Yea I’ve never understood in 4 years how any of that works

[soft mason]

it is easy in my opinion, very brush and mask based workflow, and if you understand metallicness, roughness and normal maps it works quite intuitively

[leaden sleet]

That looks very complicated

[soft mason]

insane respect for you doing this in blender btw

[leaden sleet]

Yea well it’s not that it’s the shortcuts to use the tools and stuff

And how to import and bake and stuff

Well ik import but that’s the issue

[soft mason]

yeah that's fair, that's it's own thing

I had to poke around for 2-3 rims till I fully figured it out

[leaden sleet]

I’ve just always stuck to AO mapping and doing good values in ac

This game I only ao map the wheels for the most parts

[odd gull]

in beamng if your interiors or engines dont have ao they always look off

[lofty jackal]

It’s not that hard to do in substance painter but it’s important for making it look good in beam.
In blender it’s harder but I really want to learn how to do it there as I don’t like substance painter that much.

[thin monolith]

“#suportadobedevils”

Genuinely, do you think they’d give a fuck? They’re massive corporations, businesses like that are ruthless, and are entirely centered around money. Stealing their designs for a video game is considerably better ethically than the shit those big corporations and their business buddies do, 370 is in the modding business for fun, not to earn millions as quickly as possible whilst selling cars

[thin monolith]

Different communities. Different customers

[cloud spear]

Also, Holden is a defunct subsidiary.

Can't sue when you don't exist!

[thin monolith]

Exactly. They can’t do crap

[thin monolith]

Awwwww

P.S i would recommend substance, if you’re willing to spend the money. Makes everything easier, literally bakes in 4k in one click

[cloud spear]

Probably why Apple uses a Saab in their roadside assistance ads (another dead GM subsidiary, and trust me, I'm still pissed at GM for lobotomizing them, Holden AND Saturn, before killing them because their carved husks no longer sold)

GM stripped Saab, Holden and Saturn of all personality, turning them into just another GM lineup, then surprised Pikachu faced when they didn't sell because they were the same piles of shit Chevrodump were selling.

Oh, and Pontiac too. At least they died on a high note with the G8.

[thin monolith]

Yea.

And hey, even then, idk if yall have seen the 2026 Hilux ads, but they’re literally driving past an old triton, ranger, and I think one other dualcab can’t remember what. Surprisingly toxic

They conveniently don’t show the badges, and they’re older models, but its very obvious what they’re inferring

[cloud spear]

Basically, never show a current thing because the company might sue you.

[thin monolith]

Lol yeah.

And tbh for a beam mod, i doubt they care

Free advertising

[cloud spear]

Mhm.

But still, mentioning GM just makes me mad at everything they squandered.

[thin monolith]

Just ferrari which is permanently sitting on a heated seat and can never be happy

[thin monolith]

Mhm

[cloud spear]

Holden, Pontiac, Saturn, Saab. These four could've been so much more than what they made them.

[thin monolith]

Saabs were great. Father in law had a Falcon XR6, then bought a Saab, never looked back lol

[cloud spear]

Now what cars does GM have (that are not truck/SUV)? The Malibu just died, Buick went all-SUV, I think the only non-truck/SUVs GM is selling now are Cadillacs.

[thin monolith]

And Holden discontinued to then… bring out the cow of a Ferrari ripoff that they call the C8 Corvette? I’m sorry, but keep to muscle cars, not supercars lol

[polar willow]

I like c8

[cloud spear]

I like the C8 too, but I wish they stuck to front mid.

[thin monolith]

True.
Chevy Suburban too? Essentially a cheap Escalade.

[polar willow]

I like the fact that some c8 have a flat plane crank

Suck on that Italy

[cloud spear]

Biggest flat-plane V8 in the land.

[thin monolith]

I don’t like the C8 in the tiniest bit tbh. My problem is they’re tryna be three cars in one go.

American muscle + Ferrari supercar fun + Lamborghini styling

Just dont work

[cloud spear]

The C8, if I did it, would still potentially have the same engines it has now, plus the option for a manual transmission, all wrapped up in a neat front mid engined layout.

[thin monolith]

Too heavy to classify as a worthy contender imo. Supercars should be light, and thought through, not just a heavy, low, wide, angry looking heap of weight with a massive engine slapped in it

[thin monolith]

If I did it, I would have invested in making it light

[cloud spear]

Bit more like this

[cloud spear]

Yeah, I would invest in that. Light front mid engined car with an LT6 under the hood.

[thin monolith]

Yeah

And even then, i woulda chosen a Ferrari 812 over it lol, just so much nicer looking

[polar willow]

uhhh

[normal eagle]

maybe make it a serial system or something each download creates a unique serial or copy if it doesnt match the original serial downloaded with the mod then it just breaks the car (this would require some sort of script that would automatically scramble the serial if detected that its duplicated or copied somewhere)

[polar willow]

couldnt they just get 2 copies so they can figure out what part of the code is the digital signature and then remove it

[leaden sleet]

Well the legal side still exists

[cloud spear]

Thing is, no.

DRM will only ruin BeamNG's community and modding scene.

That includes, but is not limited to:

• randomized serial keys
• encrypted 3D models
• mod launchers

ALL of them can and will ruin things. I warn you now.

Even paid mods like the Avior and T-Wagen are moddable, you can make mods of paid mods, and that's where BeamNG's modding scene thrives.

[leaden sleet]

Should be a choice imo

[odd gull]

encripted 3d models just prevent people from stealing your models and allow models to be purchased from the internet, since those generally allow redistribution if encrypted

mod launchers are ass and a vulnerability (probably vibecoded)

and randomized serial keys should exist but just to ban the user who leaked the mod

[leaden sleet]

Thanks to @odd gull for the acclaim badge

[thin monolith]

Ooooo look at these two becoming besties

[leaden sleet]

Executive dash sticker, vacationer next

[brittle phoenix]

OMG brother

[leaden sleet]

Vacationer

[brittle phoenix]

@leaden sleet Wod be cool if there was Fallon too

[leaden sleet]

Falcon?

Definetely not, way too much work, not interested in falcons either

[brittle phoenix]

Fuckin auto correct 😭

[thin monolith]

There are, check out ZC mods patreon. He also has a free ute in his discord, so not just paid

He has an AU sedan and B Series sedan on his patreon, and a B Series ute free

[leaden sleet]

not very good though

Not offence to him

Just bad models

[thin monolith]

Its decent, i enjoy thrashing them, a lot of customization is probably what ive noticed the most. But yeah needs model and jbeam work i think

But tbh he hasn’t been modding much in like the last year+. So its not like they’re super new

[leaden sleet]

Yea i just hate the textures and interior models

[prisma minnow]

awesome mate

[sage summit]

Not really its just a modland mod edited.

[ancient raft]

Ngl from what i see here 12 bucks might be slightly steep but ill give u credit based on the fact that comparing it to most of the meshlap junk that costs the same im willing to give it a chance, if it deforms close to dev level and has a good amount of content I don’t really see the issue, and from development pics it looks remarkably high quality so props on that, also the point about it being a very obscure car gives u merit to justify the pricing

I look forward to seeing where this goes

however looking at the quality and the amount of praise I think u could post this closer to 9 dollars aud and create a higher return because it’s a far more appealing price and makes it rather competitive

just my thoughts

[leaden sleet]

Are you serious

Im sick of people being braindead idiots

Have you read anything on this?

I dont care about your opinion, ive heard enough of peoples, if people think its too much, dont buy it

Im over it

[ancient raft]

what???

[leaden sleet]

Australian mods go for more because they are not done in any game, let alone properly

[ancient raft]

bro I literally said it looks great

😭

aight man

[leaden sleet]

You worded it like you were saying it was a meshslap

[ancient raft]

no

I meant like

most of the other mods in this category are

[leaden sleet]

its 12 dollars aud

That converts to 9 usd

[ancient raft]

this one is done properly

so it’s unique

and good

sorry if I came across wrong

[leaden sleet]

Its not going to popular enough for it to be a lower price

[leaden sleet]

No worries i probably read it wrong

Had a few people now put their 2 cents worth in

[ancient raft]

no I absolutely don’t disapprove tho

I understand the price

and it looks really nice

[leaden sleet]

Yea im hoping to recoop my spendings atleast

[leaden sleet]

Thanks, lot of work going into it

[ancient raft]

will it have roof bars

like rails

idk my audm lol

[leaden sleet]

yea

[ancient raft]

awesome sauce

[leaden sleet]

It has some dodgy ingame ones atm that are accurate to what these came with from factory

[ancient raft]

I see

[leaden sleet]

@ancient raft

[ancient raft]

ok yea looks nice af

it kinda looks like one vauxhall we got in the uk

[leaden sleet]

its ok

A lot of vauxhalls are holdens in disguise

[ancient raft]

it looks like the uh

old vectra

as a wagon

[leaden sleet]

yea nah

[ancient raft]

lights are similar

also isn’t holden and vauxhall under the same thing

[odd gull]

its probably closest to an opel omega drivetrain wise

[odd gull]

partially

theres a bunch of holdens that are just opel/vauxhalls

[leaden sleet]

What im sayin

[odd gull]

but theres another bunch that probably just do a bits of partsbinning from gm stuff

[ancient raft]

roth alpha

[ancient raft]

6 litre v8 for 16k 😭

insane

[odd gull]

gm is weird
opel and vauxhall are like the same, but then vauxhall gets rebadged holdens??

[ancient raft]

ukdm

because au and uk drive on the same side

[odd gull]

hi please i want opel monaro

true

[ancient raft]

its cheaper to mash the 2 together

also europes emissions and shit make it worse

[odd gull]

back in the 2000s not really

[ancient raft]

uk and australia are both like sovereign states or wtv it is so their trade is cheaper

[leaden sleet]

Crazy hey

[leaden sleet]

Opel Monaro?

[odd gull]

that would be cool i mean

[leaden sleet]

In beam or irl

[odd gull]

irl

[leaden sleet]

o

[blazing narwhal]

Hell nah

Sorry but the game costs 20€

So it's 3/4 of the games price

[odd gull]

1/4th

[leaden sleet]

Lol

People cant read

[blazing narwhal]

Oh okay👍🏻

[leaden sleet]

Esteem dash, its the little things that count

[thin monolith]

I saw one of these HSV badged in the uk when i was on holiday

Cool

But dont forget the VB Commodore, that was a rebadged opel 😭 💩

[leaden sleet]

Oh yea first gen was a complete rebadge

Vt was very redesigned

Ve was completely a new car

[thin monolith]

VF was last true good commodore

[leaden sleet]

Yea zb doesn’t even count

Didn’t have anything to do with anyone here

[thin monolith]

Yea

Oh yeah thhaaaaaaaats what i was thinking of

ZB

Opel rebadge

Pile of shit

Feels like a real estate agents car tbh

[rustic hornet]

Saw a update on this mod on Facebook again today

[real ether]

this is the BEST looking real world car mod i've seen yet

[leaden sleet]

Nah gotta be some better usdm or jdm cars out there

[real ether]

i mean yeah but let's be fr here
we probably won't find any car ONLY sold in au which'll be better than this in terms of quality

[cloud spear]

So is this gonna be paid EA, or outright paid?

[leaden sleet]

Outright but you’ll have to stay subbed for updates, or just renew when the update comes out

The updates aren’t going to be small

One update will feature a VN wagon

The VP

VR will probably come next actually since it’s very similar to vs

[cloud spear]

Oh, so it's a RECURRING payment.

Why not make it a one-time thing?

Recurring is a problem IMO

[leaden sleet]

@grim crag has way more experience and is/has released good quality cars

He taught me a lot with beam

[real ether]

interesting

[leaden sleet]

As well as @gaunt void

[leaden sleet]

Read the message dude

You can pay for it

Once

But you don’t get updates

[cloud spear]

Ah

[real ether]

i see

[leaden sleet]

And the updates will be massive

Entire models

[cloud spear]

But then why do it that way? Most other paid mods, even with big updates (i.e. Scout) are one-time payments with lifetime free updates.

[leaden sleet]

Listen

[real ether]

wait this is good, because if the updates will be larger-scale, we won't have to keep subbing that often, because larger-scale update usually take a while

[leaden sleet]

I don’t care what other people do

End of story

Sorry but that’s my opinion

[leaden sleet]

Yes

I won’t just be working on this mod either

[real ether]

fairs

[leaden sleet]

I’ve got another never before done car in the works which aussies will like

[cloud spear]

If you want help, maybe I can help?

Idk with what though.

[leaden sleet]

Help with wot

[cloud spear]

Yeah, idk what I can do.

[leaden sleet]

Just saying, comparing this mod to other paid mods is very hard btw

Like I’ve said before

This mod does not exist to anywhere near this quality in ANY other game

Most of the stuff that gets released is taken from another game or is found in other games

[leaden sleet]

Want to model some badges

[real ether]

Will service vehicles be included in the mod? Like police vehicles and whatnot?

[cloud spear]

I can't do that sadly. My Blender skills are doodoo

I tend to recommend non-modelled lettering too

[leaden sleet]

No such thing as service vehicles

With these

Not even a paddy wagon

(Police people mover)

[real ether]

Actually you're right, I got it confused with the Commodore wagon

[leaden sleet]

Never even seen one of them before haha

The more you know

That’s a VY wagon

F you were curious

[real ether]

got it

[thin monolith]

Because it makes sense for business 🤷‍♂️

The best beamng modders strike the line between hobby, business, ethics, and fun

I feel like I’ve done that pretty well with my setup where I sell my maps EA, but release everything for free

[gaunt void]

Ik what it is 😝

[leaden sleet]

Ssshh

[leaden sleet]

New door stuff

Better doorcard model
Series 1 and Series 2 Speakers
Better Textures
Door Sill Rubbers

Yes im doing the speakers as an option

ITS GOTTA BE DETAILED

[lofty jackal]

Is the steering wheel texture finishes?
Looks a bit bland

[leaden sleet]

What am i meant to add

I can add the horn buttons, i did forget them

Thats it though

[lofty jackal]

Also, shading here looks off

[lofty jackal]

Oh, it’s just like that, ok.
So maybe it’s the texture that makes it look off?

[thin monolith]

just looks like shit beam lighting to me

[thin monolith]

wheel looks better in this pic

[leaden sleet]

Ill make a new material for it

[lofty jackal]

A bit better but it looks like there’s vertical lines there.
And it doesn’t really look like the texture of the real thing.

[thin monolith]

ah yea i guess the details are a bit big i do see that

[leaden sleet]

Which normal map

@lofty jackal

First one looks like its more worn

[lofty jackal]

The second one with a stronger normal and a bit of wear or dust added to it would look good. Also, ao is still not baked right?
Baking ao would improve the textures a lot

[leaden sleet]

Im not retexturing the whole car

It looks fine

Its staying as the second one

Bc like i said, idk how to use substance, and no one wants to help besides @odd gull so its not happening

Dont wanna have Lichi doing everything for me that involves that stuff

[lofty jackal]

I can help with that too, I know substance painter and textured a lot of parts of my car with it

Also sorry, I might be nitpicking but if it’s paid the quality should be good, there’s a lot of people making good quality mods for free.

[leaden sleet]

Another thing is, all the UV maps are done by Cube projection bc i got told that you dont need AO maps in beam as much as ac

Its plenty good for a quality mod

Im over people telling me it needs to be DEV quality

Im not posting for people to pick crap out, im posting to show that progress is happening

[odd gull]

you need to learn by yourself

all i taught you is mostly self learnt

[odd gull]

i woudlnt say that

[leaden sleet]

Im good

[lofty jackal]

It doesn’t need to be dev quality but make it look good at least

[odd gull]

ao maps are like critical

[leaden sleet]

I mean, it will be

Its like 50% done

[odd gull]

all mechanicals and interior bits NEED ao in beam otherwise they just look off

[leaden sleet]

How about this, leave me alone, im an australian modder doing an australian car that mainly aussies are gonna download for skidpigs, thats the reality

[gaunt void]

[leaden sleet]

Look up aus spec mods for beamng

Not the toranas and VF Gts' found in forza slapped in

I mean the real commodores with customization

[lofty jackal]

Sure, but maybe others also want to download it because it’s a nice car and expect good quality when paying almost twice of what a paid mod costs normally

[thin monolith]

normally for your community. this price is very normal for the australian community

its being priced to customers budget

[leaden sleet]

Omg

Im gonna lose it

Im done

[leaden sleet]

Just so you know, people are paying 30 dollars for cars in the aus community

So maybe use more than a 1/4 of your brain and realise the difference between your typical chevy mod being posted thats been done 15 times before and realise what im actually doing

Like seriously

[lofty jackal]

I didn’t know that, sorry. I just looked at other high quality paid mods for comparison

[ebon wigeon]

youtube🤦‍♂️

[leaden sleet]

Not the issue

Dude you cant mod for sh*t

Dont even talk

GO and remodel your sigs

[ebon wigeon]

i wasemt even trying to be a cunt lmao

[ebon wigeon]

lol like u can talk

[ebon wigeon]

i dont get ur point i kown there worng but i like them

[keen bough]

why you hating on randoms haha, he just gave you a decent suggestion💀

[leaden sleet]

go and post a pic of your car rq

[lofty jackal]

Not everyone who gives suggestions has to be a modder lmao

[keen bough]

yeah not to mentions hes actaully a better modder lmao

[leaden sleet]

You had a face palm emoji, that obviously means something

[thin monolith]

loatys from the austrlaian modding community, you wouldn't know. different group dynamics

[leaden sleet]

Your only here because hes your mate obviously

[leaden sleet]

Yea but he is, thats why im saying that

[ebon wigeon]

no its because that a very obvious and good place to start

[keen bough]

okay and?

[gaunt void]

ladys lets keep it civil

[leaden sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-down-you-need-to-relax-gif-10843784

[ebon wigeon]

im trying

[keen bough]

just watch a yt vid for the mental sanity of everyone. Substance painter is not that hard

[gaunt void]

im hard though

[lofty jackal]

True

And there’s a lot of documentation too but yt vids are better for getting started

[leaden sleet]

You havent read what my actual issue is, the vids wont explain what i need to know

[ebon wigeon]

whats worng im happy to try and help

[keen bough]

what do you need to know? Subatance isn't just a learn everythings from a vid sorta thing. If you know the dead basics the rest is just practise

[leaden sleet]

Can anyone even tell if this has an AO map or not

[odd gull]

hard to tell with a black interior

ao makes things darker if they are already dark its harder to tell

[ebon wigeon]

the individual textures might but because the inirior is multi texture(not single most like base beam cars) so it dosent work like ao should

[leaden sleet]

How about this then

[odd gull]

my eyes what the fuck is that steering wheel

[leaden sleet]

None of it is AO mapped, its all just normal maps

JOsh does it perfectly somehow, guys just cracked

[leaden sleet]

Josh spec

Not good

[gaunt void]

full minda spec and that

[ebon wigeon]

its hard to tell when it dosent use propper textures

[leaden sleet]

Proper textures?

[ebon wigeon]

there just forza textures bro

[odd gull]

1 single material for the entire interior

[leaden sleet]

Im not saying the textures smartass

[ebon wigeon]

using smart matrials

[leaden sleet]

I mean his values

[keen bough]

yay someone other than loaty in here with a braincell

[odd gull]

btw you cant use the "its good for the aussie community standards" excuse when you are posting it here, where the entire community is, so you have to either expect criticism for not being up to the whole communitys standards or make it to those standards

[real ether]

i just read through this entire conversation
what the fuck is going down

[odd gull]

also you need to chill

you get way too defensive and that just makes you look like an asshole

[leaden sleet]

Makes sense why none of these guys post in here

[gaunt void]

his just a very defensive person

[odd gull]

if their level is what you showed? they would instantly get nuked for being shit mods

thats what happens to most paid mods with ripped models here and in the forums

[keen bough]

And also 370, its not that we dont like the quality of your mod in general. Its just the fact that you have LITERALLY just started beam modding and already think your 1st mod is worth paying lots for.

[odd gull]

^ people expect you to prove your skills before making paid mods

[keen bough]

as they should...

[real ether]

which is why people are suggesting changes and improvements
we're trying to help you out here, we never meant to shit all over your mod in the first placep

[grim dew]

no idea whats going on in here all i can say is there is not really any good free Australian beamng mods for beamng so its still better then nothing. I still am gonna pay when its released i dont care it cant be anyworse then some other australian modders then make it 25 Aud for 2 junk boxes

plus he has gotten help from the best aus creators so it cant be that bad

[thin monolith]

Come to Australia youd be shocked lol

Like ik it sounds like a cliche excuse, but people in this Australian car community are rarely kind lol

Like its just culture

We’re dickheads

[odd gull]

well yeah i can tell

but

that doesnt mean that you cant control tho

[ebon wigeon]

no offence but u have no idea what ur on about (in responce to "so it cant be that bad")

[keen bough]

free will and he chooses to think he is correct and the best modder no matter what

[odd gull]

hes not claiming that

[keen bough]

370 is pretty much saying that no opinion other than his own is valid

[grim dew]

they making it seem like itll be a bad mod if its a first mod and its paid

[ebon wigeon]

im not saying his will be but 99% of people's first mod will be absulute shit and then u add making it paid and just beause he is getting taught but alright modders dosent mean he will listen

[leaden sleet]

Well how about this, i take joshes ways over majority of peoplpe, mainly bc ive never seen anyone else work before, and the people i have, no offense, i reckon looks sh*t, or to put it more nicely, not how i would do it, or, just doesnt look good

Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one

[grim dew]

i genuinely dont see the issue atleast its not a scam or a leaked mod its peoples choice if they wanna buy it if you dont wanna then suit yourself either way he'll make money off it

[thin monolith]

Josh is definitely a good role model for Australian mod standards

[leaden sleet]

Thats what im sayin

[gaunt void]

legit getting taught by the first ever Australian beam modder

[leaden sleet]

Josh is the most picky person ive ever met, his standard is annoying

[grim dew]

im the best modder guys like i make the best cars i grab burnout master models and try meshlap and give up after 10 minutes of trying

[gaunt void]

yeah man

[grim dew]

ill make them paid too 30 dollars

[thin monolith]

Start a patreon with a base tier of 30 bucks

[grim dew]

yes

vip tier 100 bucks get you access to nothing extra just support

breeks this isnt funny this is basically just bullying and saying my good mods are bad

[thin monolith]

Aw sorry

Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings

[grim dew]

you didnt hurt them

you broke them🥺

[leaden sleet]

@keen bough how do you add a roughness layer in substance

So the leather isnt just a flat normal

[leaden sleet]

WoW ThAnKS GuYS, looKS WaY bettEr

[soft mason]

yummy plastic

[leaden sleet]

Yea fake leather

[hearty path]

They really shouldn't, some people who want the cars are casuals who just want to play with their favorite cars.

[gaunt void]

can I play with myself in the car?

[cloud spear]

There is a difference between the Aussie standard and the Beam community standard.

I think that's what this entire thread needs to get.

[thin monolith]

Doesn’t matter whether they “shouldn’t” in your eyes. They do. And they are all casuals who want to play with their favourite cars.

[rustic hornet]

what the fuck

[thin monolith]

Exactly

[thin monolith]

Ignore kelboo. He’s a bit special

[rustic hornet]

A bit special?

[thin monolith]

Its an very unique humour style that a lot of Aussies have to put it simply

[rustic hornet]

hes prob 24 living in his moms house

[thin monolith]

Unsuprising, housing prices here are putting people in there parents homes until 30s

[odd gull]

that argument isnt valid

this is posted in beamcord not aussiebeamcord

so people here expect the beam community standard not the aus standard

[cloud spear]

And the Beam Community standard is...far higher than the "local" stuff (incl. SEA, but at least stuff like Beef's Toyota Innova are free)

[limber yoke]

Holy moly why is this mod so controversial 😭

Genuinely don’t see a single problem

[prime jetty]

There's 2 main sticking points

1. It's paid and featuring a real brand, which is illegal

2. For being paid, it's of fairly low quality

[limber yoke]

In response 1. So many other modders make real cars paid mods so why is this one any different

2. It’s his first beam mod, I don’t reckon it’s going to be like 15 damn dollars

Sure it might not be dev or as high quality as more renowned paid modders but still

[lofty jackal]

these other modders are mostly meshslappers that sell on patreon for absurd prices

[prime jetty]

My first point isn't a matter of opinion, it's law

[lofty jackal]

and there´s even a lot of free mods with better quality

[prime jetty]

And the second point stands because paying for a mod implies a standard of quality (unless you're buying from those patreon slop farms)

[lofty jackal]

also the creator seems to be ignoring a lot of feedback that would be very important to make the mod better

[gaunt void]

negative

[rustic hornet]

Uhh probably not

[leaden sleet]

Fucken lot of spastics you lot, ive said a thousand times what actually is happening and is gonna happen, and yous just ignore me. Have fun. Goodbye

[glossy oasis]

Imma just come at this from a different perspective as everyone else is. What I've read, you've model a few mods in different games, so far, (from the first photos at the start of this) it's looking good, although I don't have any other mods by you to compare this one (if you could send a few here I'd greatly appreciate it). I do believe jumping straight to the "he lives in his moms basement" isn't the best thing to be saying, but I do believe jumping straight to posting a paid mod as a first one (for beam) isn't always the best. The beam players sometimes don't like people who make their first mods paid, and can jump to being rude. Anyway, looks good, although, I might not buy this cause the big luxury boat is calling and wants a new fuel tank.

[thin monolith]

Ohhhhhhh go stick it up ya it really doesn’t matter jesus who cares

[thin monolith]

Can you make us a better vs wagon then pls x

[thin monolith]

Not a single holden though

Or falcon

This shouldn’t be compared to normal beamng mods

This should be compared to other Australian mods

Because thats the target market

There are plenty examples of that in real life, where similar things are priced differently for different markets

Its called business

He is putting in lots of effort, he is well known in the Aussie community and he is pricing it to the effort involved and the target market. It’s literally the basics of real world business. And either way yall guilt tripping him is just fucking pointless he’s gonna make it either way, and he is going to make good money from it either way, so idk what yall are tryna achieve

Its insane how much non-modders criticise modders for making good shit

[prime jetty]

Holden's legal department, for one

[prime jetty]

It's rightful criticism

[thin monolith]

Doesn’t exist. They’re literally dead

[thin monolith]

Not really, because half the critics couldn’t make shit themselves

[glossy oasis]

I made one mod and it was a bumper for the truck a day before 0.38 came outso I have all right to criticise all I want (obviously a joke)

[thin monolith]

You didn’t criticise anyway

You had a good point

[prime jetty]

Yeah nah