[Enjoy Your Food] [Free] USDM Expansion Packs

[fading shuttle]

The Arima cars that have already been modded to USDM do fit well with USDM, they fill that ‘luxury’ sedan import gap

Obviously the Hestia is different, but the sedans seem fitting

[median dome]

The Hestia is a funky minivan

It probably wouldn't sell well in the US but it wouldn't be the only one

Look at the Dodge Hornet

[devout light]

Dodge Hornet is a cross-over

Hestia is a MPV

[median dome]

That's not what I'm saying

Im saying it'd join the mountain of cars that didn't sell well

The Hornet being one of them

[devout light]

I could start on why Hestia just doesn't feel fitting for USDM but that's already been said like 2-5 weeks ago with a bunch of people.

[median dome]

this coming from the man who is making it usdm?

[devout light]

It's not gonna be USDM.

Hint why I change the thread name

[night pilot]

lol

need to just change the thread name to “The Hestia Is Not Getting a USDM Version, Stop Asking”

[harsh rivet]

Automation Test Track (New Zealand)

[vagrant iris]

In terms of the base game, thats the only one.

There are also modded ones like Shuto Expressway.

[obsidian bison]

a

[median dome]

bro the entire reason I joined this thread was because I wanted to see the USDM Hestia

is there gonna be a LHD version of it at least

[devout light]

Yes?

Scroll up a heck tone and you will see pictures

[heady elbow]

Tone

[devout light]

#1156908889288220692 message

[heady elbow]

Im sorry but whenever someone says "heck" I cant stop thinking of this

[heady elbow]

wait whose country's police force is that

[median dome]

ok nvm Im happi now

[night pilot]

alternate universe croatian paddy wagin

[regal depot]

no

[clever summit]

people like you are literally the problem of any arima mod

[pine field]

No USDM.

[pine field]

What's next? "USDM Hirochi Aero NSB pls"?

[pulsar holly]

That’s worse than asking for jdm versions of American cars

Although that doesn’t seem quite as bad as it seems

[pine field]

cough, Toyota Cavalier, cough

[median dome]

Did I say I wanted it on the original mod?

No

Cuz I respect the original authors wishes

However, the only reason I come here for this pack is because I want cars that make sense on over half of the maps in the game

Why is that such a taboo thing to want

[leaden viper]

Then MAKE. IT. YOURELF.

[median dome]

People like you are the reason people hate interacting with modding communities

People can have wants without automatically being villainised for wanting something

I swear to god this thread is full of children who just come to argue

Also the fact that the second reaction to this thread is literally a US Flag

Excuse me for being a little confused

[devout light]

Oml, can yall calm the hell down

[pine field]

Mainly because of the Ardeo/Cyriva; and the Cambria/Kalima being USDM versions of the ELDY/EXiA and Caelo/Gaia

[median dome]

Ill calm down when people stop making me out to be the villain just cuz I want USDM version of none USDM cars

[devout light]

Stop replying, all of you. Move on.

[heady elbow]

when the beam isnt beaming

[regal depot]

This looks fantastic! :)

[sand shoal]

UwU

[devout light]

UwU

[sand shoal]

:3

[misty niche]

:p

[fallow vessel]

thank you for contributing absolutely nothing useful to this thread

reconsider using internet ever again

[heady elbow]

Hey I gave him specs and trims for the PHL Hestias

I contributed here one way or another

[fallow vessel]

ok then u contributed something useful

what was the need of that video tho

[heady elbow]

I dont know it was purely out of boredom

(I still dont get the meaning of "bumping threads" if thats what youre thinking)

[fallow vessel]

basically when a thread is dead

then someone says something

and it pushes the dead thread to the top

and people dont like that so

[heady elbow]

ohh

im guessing that applies that to here too

[fallow vessel]

yep

[heady elbow]

oh

woopsies

[late plume]

Which I think is stupid. People need bigger problems to worry about if that sets them off

[median dome]

its the most positive thing someones sent here recently soooooo

[devout light]

Please, don't post unrelated things, that will make all the related stuff get lost.

[devout light]

You still haven't given me the essay yet btw. Send in dm.

[heady elbow]

oh wait ur srs abt that

alr hols on im out of town atm

😭

[cosmic ether]

deliveries in this shi gonna be sick

topheave minivan go brrrrrrrrrr

[lucid marlin]

bro thinks hes a hiljux

[sand shoal]

screenshotted the whole “usdm when” ordeal because funny

i completely forgot about it

but funny is funny

[sudden plume]

State trooper really be 🩻

[vagrant iris]

Compton Lowriders got nothing on this

[devout light]

Really hope no one do this.

Reason:

[cosmic ether]

jbeam looks lovely

spooder web

i cant really comment tbh i have no idea how to jbeam (even tho im making a mod, yes im stoopid)

[night pilot]

is this a 128 slot box?

[devout light]

Nah, the large one which is 16

XL is the 128

[night pilot]

i see

i didnt realize the xl was so huge

i mean, makes sense

but

how many of the little boxes can you fit in the back? before it gets unhappy

i know the lansdale can have an L and 3 of the smaller boxes

[devout light]

Around 9 without stacking

[night pilot]

ooh

i just started messing about with the career mode the other day, so ive been trying to find the best runabout delivery vehicle

ive got a box t-series, but its a bit overkill for in the city

[devout light]

Lol.

[heady elbow]

this is so stupid 😭

@devout light https://www.canva.com/design/DAF3cMK38qo/QoUxd58e8LWCc-DruUKE4A/edit?utm_content=DAF3cMK38qo&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link2&utm_source=sharebutton

[devout light]

Well said.

[sudden plume]

Well made. I Give it a ibishu out of Arimas

[cyan raptor]

BLESS YOUR SOUL

[night pilot]

@devout light what all is still cooking for the hestia expansion?

[devout light]

I guess the mirrors which is done and informations for configs

[night pilot]

neato

[devout light]

I'm thinking of making police too

Ambulance and fire chief amogus car

[night pilot]

is there a possibility of a high roof variant? or too much work

[devout light]

high roof variant?

[night pilot]

like having the extended roof cap, common on commercial vans and b-ambulances

[night pilot]

oh wow, ive never seen an ambulance without a high roof

[devout light]

Low roof transit ambulance do exist in US too btw.

just rare

https://youtu.be/3qoFJ5gRw7o?si=oX_ADmP66qHN0DEQ&t=223

[cosmic ether]

imagine doing a mission in the Arima with this

and become hammond ie your patient falls out at 100kmph

[devout light]

lol.

[cosmic ether]

also

wanna see something really nice and krispy?

[devout light]

Just tell me what are you gonna post.

[cosmic ether]

my very ready mod

aka no textures and fed up jbeam

its so bad

it burns my own eyes

[devout light]

Sure?

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-moderator-discord-moderator-delete-moderator-snitch-gif-27063075

[cosmic ether]

the mods shouldnt burn me

they should burn it

sorry for the umm, trauma

[devout light]

We never gonna mention that again.

[cosmic ether]

have a nice day

[cosmic ether]

until its finished and working (see you in a year)

[devout light]

Alright 👋

[cosmic ether]

https://tenor.com/view/nileseyy-niles-peace-out-disappear-meme-disappearing-guy-checking-out-gif-25558985

[regal depot]

i want to see it

How about Mexican and Latin American specification models for the Crestiva?
IIRC, the Avanza in Mexico is only sold in two trim lines - LE and XLE.

[night pilot]

if it can beat this cargo loadout, itll become my main rig

[heady elbow]

wait if ur gonna add the town names for the PNP

can u make it "San Fernando MPS"?

[devout light]

Maybe when I finish all the current stuff and upload to repo first

Cause the more stuff I need to do, this might drag into 2024

[pure wharf]

YOOO

[devout light]

?

[heady elbow]

hes an over patriotic Pinoy

dont mind him

[lucid marlin]

o

[normal turtle]

Is the Hestia USDM still being worked on?

[devout light]

Not USDM but still LHD

[night pilot]

glad to see some things never change

“im not making a USDM Hestia”
“okay, but when is the USDM one coming out”

honestly the LHD is close enough. Easier to just say it was a CADM car

[median dome]

yeah LHD is basically USDM

[late plume]

If you water it down immensely perhaps

It includes side markers, amber turn signals and imperial gauges

[pulsar holly]

I don’t expect the people asking for usdm to notice that stuff

[median dome]

UKDM when

[devout light]

No more.

[honest forge]

i guess they makin it for chinese/phillipines market if there's actually LHD version

[sudden plume]

When AUDM (I'm joking)

[heady elbow]

when was China mentioned in this thread 😭

[night pilot]

it says around the globe. at this point hoang is making what they feel like making. if your country gets represented, be happy

[honest forge]

well idk cuz that was the country i thought that is left hand drive

other than phillipines korea and vietnam

[carmine heart]

so since the repo is locked until 4th january, will this get released to the forums or do we have to wait until they get opened again?

[regal depot]

Locked?

[devout light]

2024 release bois XD

VN, ID, IN, PH, MY, TW.

That's all the countries

[pine hedge]

The forums are giving me 100 kb download speeds lol

[carmine heart]

not really locked, but no mods will get approved until 4th jan and there will also be no support as they said

[carmine heart]

normal for me i always get 100-300kb/s on the repo it kinda sucks

[regal depot]

That makes sense.

[carmine heart]

god bless the ppl who make external links🙏

[carmine heart]

💔💔unlucky

[regal depot]

relase it on modland :trol:

[carmine heart]

is there any chance you will make a thread for it and release it there? i was hoping i can try it before my break ends aaa

[devout light]

😐

[devout light]

Also the config information is not finished either so yeah.

[fallow vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-spray-angry-korean-man-sus-gif-20949209

[lucid marlin]

how did that orange bug spray taste like LOL

[regal depot]

yippee malaysia

[pine field]

Done that (private)

[regal depot]

I hope it'll be public.

[devout light]

It's will be private

[bold cloud]

...

[devout light]

Taking about UKDM

[devout light]

In the meantime I'm gonna fix SBR4 USDM

[regal depot]

Cool.

[obsidian bison]

Can't wait for US spec SBR4

[devout light]

It's in #1112130140160413706

[bold cloud]

yeah, but why private?

[devout light]

Idk ask him not me

[devout light]

Also I don't wanna do it

[cosmic ether]

smort move

i love when youre making a mod and can deny ANYONE you want :trol:

[pine field]

Eh, I can arrange for a DM drop if you really want to

[devout light]

Hm

[bold cloud]

you created the ukdm?

[bold cloud]

yes please?

[pine field]

Yeah

[crystal zinc]

dont wanna bombard but please if its aight with you

[devout light]

Go to his dm

[devout light]

That's a normal Gaia...

[misty niche]

sorry im abit silly

[crystal zinc]

idk seems a lil bothersome to randomly dm like that but fair enough ig

[regal depot]

🇰🇷 🇰🇵 is that the hole Korean Peninsula north and south

[devout light]

??

[honest forge]

well yeah they’re LHD right

[floral bough]

Honestly took me a bit to realize why the Gaia was rebadged…

…because the Geo Prizm exists.

[obsidian bison]

https://tenor.com/view/kirisame-marisa-touhou-marisad-flarewheeze-hololive-gif-24800060

[oak rock]

woah, didn't expect an IDDM config on this mod, awesome work

[solid lion]

Soooo glad to have filipino spec hestia in this mod, mabuhay!

[devout light]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1056260402155110411/1137946390392213504/fastmanwithaxesgoingsuperhaywire.gif

[bold cloud]

that's asian countries, not exactly 'around the globe'?

[late plume]

We got a bit of the US and a bit of South East Asia

I think it's a bit 'round the globe

[bold cloud]

what about europe, africa, oceania and other parts of asia, and a bit of south america

[late plume]

No one said it was the "Arima all the globe pack"

Give it time, perhaps there'll be more additions

[bold cloud]

ik

[regal depot]

Exactly.
Imagine a Mexican-specification Hestia. That would be cool.

[late plume]

To be honest, I don't think we're getting more

Dev's been adamant about having only SEA specs

[regal depot]

I respect that.

[late plume]

I still wished for an Euro one, but oh well

Waddya gonna do?

[regal depot]

I'd just create Latin American, European, British, and (fictional) Wintergreenian specification configs, using parts from this mod.

[late plume]

All I need is LHD and metric gauges

And there is my Euro-Spec

[regal depot]

I see.

[cosmic ether]

you can probably implement that easily

the gauges at least the LHD mod would include some jbeam shenanigans

[late plume]

I know next to nothing about modding myself

Someone else needs to be kind enough to do it

[cosmic ether]

i mean i could try

[late plume]

Don't bother. I don't wanna put ya through anything

[devout light]

Too much configs makes my brain hurts.

[regal depot]

Understandable.

[devout light]

Like the Lansdale pack, so much errors in configs info

[vagrant iris]

Probably most of the blame was on me there lol

But the thing is, with so many configs, your bound to miss one or two things

[devout light]

Yeah, that's why I'm trying to keep it under 50 at most

[night pilot]

bah, a config for every region of every country

just a simple 5000 configs. light work, right

[devout light]

I'm thinking community made configs might offload most of the problem.

[solid lion]

a

hurry up

[devout light]

Like if some person from Mexico made MXDM configs and want it to be in this pack then I will add them.

[solid lion]

mk

[devout light]

Nah man, TAZ on a holiday break

[night pilot]

lol fresh member coming in wanting devs to rush mods over the holidays

you love to see it

[night pilot]

and realistically, most european countries or countries that are lhd with metric gauges can be made super easily

thered be a lot of repeat configs i think

[devout light]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[night pilot]

i dont see any sense in adding any more specific countries to the hestia or other arimas

[regal depot]

whats the malaysia trims like? Yea

[night pilot]

unless someone does specific skins or if taz gets a concussion and offers all of their mods to the public, i think the arimas are done for now

[regal depot]

omg nooo no more arimas??

[night pilot]

idk, im not docro

im saying adapting arimas for specific markets that docro isnt doing

[regal depot]

oh phew

[night pilot]

ive got plans for a vehicle that ive gotten permission for the arima name, but at the rate im learning blender, that could be a year out lol

and depending on how it turns out, i may not even make an arima config

its all up to docro on that one

[pulsar holly]

That’s why I am against adding cadm configs and more specific country configs into beam
It would be cool, but would also be config bloat

[devout light]

I can see that ye

[sudden plume]

gonna be honest, i see little to no difference. but thats just me cuz all i do is look at the front and say "Yeah, thats a Hestia alright."

[devout light]

Yeah, it's a car, that's all I can say.

[nocturne zenith]

Vehicular device

[regal depot]

Actually whats the difference between all these country configs

Like MY, ID, bla bla bla

[sudden plume]

transportation object

[devout light]

LHD, RHD, plates configs, more or less trims, engines and like 2 special trims for like 2 of the markets.

[nocturne zenith]

Movement item

[sudden plume]

human and object relocator

[nocturne zenith]

💀💀💀

[sudden plume]

im not wrong 💀

[nocturne zenith]

Yes

The skull emojis are a primal form of agreement for me

Also used to indicate laughter in some cases

Skull emoji is my number one frequently used emoji lmao

Besides the flaming BeamNG logo of course

That’s just on discord anyway

[sudden plume]

and the paired with the

[nocturne zenith]

Skull emoji is my number one frequent overall on my phone

Yes

Also clown emoji because I’m a borderline Gen alpha degenerate despite being a Gen Z

Nah it’s actually cause I see a lot of scammers on Facebook and I put clown emojis on their posts 💀💀💀

Lmfao

[sudden plume]

Damn. I kinda understand you tho.

I see other people my age get triggered that I use fullstops in my text messages. They freak out. Apparently it means smth. Like I'm angry or idk

[nocturne zenith]

Lmao what ☠️

[sudden plume]

Fr 💀

[late plume]

I was once briefed about the different meanings between "ok" and "okay"

I have since then stuck to the latter

I don't see it, but it's easier than having people ask if I am mad

[sudden plume]

Real

[cosmic ether]

I could attempt it lol, LHD shouldn't be hard to do

Or other mods to the car

[devout light]

Alright, send me your LHD version then.

Even tho I made one already

[cosmic ether]

Fair x3 I'm just saying I could help out if you needed

[devout light]

What can you do?

[cosmic ether]

Some modelling and crudely made jbeams, probably also make some textures (procedurally like some fancy wood or plastic that doesn't looks like a 2002 jpeg from google)

God dam I hate auto correct

Maybe attempt to make some sort of ad for the packs? (Jus an image my PC would die making a vid)

[solid lion]

ded chat

[clever summit]

Just don't do that.... there's no progress or anything new

Of course the thread will be inactive

[devout light]

Finally Macute finished all the info_ for all the configs.

[clever summit]

truly cooking

[pine field]

And even added my own 2.0 G config, plus split the cargoes into a Philippine (LHD, diesel) and Indonesian (RHD, gasoline) version

[devout light]

Now going into the testing phase?

IDK

[regal depot]

Can't wait to make EUDM, MXDM, and LADM configs when it releases. 😄

[steep mango]

And WGDM 😉

[regal depot]

Yes, that too.

[devout light]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-moderator-discord-moderator-delete-moderator-snitch-gif-27063075

[honest forge]

can't wait to see the Martian Domestic Market of it 😍

[devout light]

https://tenor.com/view/what-in-tarnation-jed-clampett-gif-7591807

[sudden plume]

Can't wait for the Intergalactic Domestic Market 💪☢️

[devout light]

https://tenor.com/view/yukari-cringe-girls-und-panzer-gif-19536245

Ok but that's enough. Now what to write for the dang page

[honest forge]

can’t wait to see the spec for Kepler-11B Domestic Market fr 👍🔥

[devout light]

You could upload it if you want or if you want I could include next update.

[night pilot]

chatgpt to the rescue

if you want when i get home i can write up a few things, see how it turns out

im a better writer than i am a modeller

[devout light]

Sure

[night pilot]

dm me what stuff this pack is gonna contain for the hestia and i’ll get to work, like configs, what countries, etc

[night pilot]

are all of these just your pack? or does this include standard hestia configs

[devout light]

Just the Hestia

[night pilot]

yeah but im saying are any of these included in the main hestia mod

[devout light]

Nope

[night pilot]

mk

[regal depot]

I prefer uploading it. 🙂

[devout light]

Sure. Tho configurations mods are hidden in the front page. Also don't make mistakes.

[lethal linden]

IBISHU KASHIRA MENTIONED

WHAT IS A DEAD MOD

[clever summit]

🤨

[devout light]

What. Can yall stick with what related to the thread please.

[lethal linden]

arima hesita looks a lot like the kashira mod

that’s why I brought it up

some of the models are similar too

[devout light]

None

[median dome]

MPV made by japanase company equals similar?

this servers stupidity never ceases to amaze me

[glossy cipher]

The only similarity is that there are 5 doors and 7 seats and japanese

[pine field]

Pessima base too

Although the Hestia is far better to drive

[devout light]

Hmm

[sudden plume]

I agree, did a Nurburgring drive, it handled it well... it was the Olympiad version

[lethal linden]

The van configs and others reminded me of the kashira. That’s why I brought it up.

[sudden plume]

What does the redness mean.

Seems like a bad thing 😔

[fading shuttle]

Probably just that it’s not yet approved

[sudden plume]

Yea

It is still the holidays so probably

[potent hill]

What's all those IDDM and PHDM

[night pilot]

apparently the repo is still broken

[devout light]

ID = Indonesia
PH = Philippines

[night pilot]

a lot of stuff hasnt been able to get approved

[cyan raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-its-happening-ok-stay-calm-the-office-gif-6091046

[devout light]

The mod is so bad lol.

[devout light]

[Serving] [Free] Arima Around The Globe Expansion Packs

[whole jackal]

cant wait, wanted usdm variants for awile

[night pilot]

this doesnt have usdm configs for the hestia

[devout light]

Next update.

[night pilot]

still thinking of doing the ambulance trim?

[devout light]

And police ye

Lol.

[devout light]

I don't think this works XD

Maybe actually.

[pine field]

👍

[devout light]

I wonder how I just fit that whole thing in there.

[devout light]

You wanna make the skin for me?

[pine field]

Sure

[devout light]

👌

[night pilot]

do any vehicles just have a small flat seat? stambecco maybe?

[devout light]

Good idea

Those could fit

[regal depot]

Nice.
I can smell some delicious flavour from here!

[median dome]

which versions have LHD?

[devout light]

Every single one except IDDM, INDM and MYDM

[potent hill]

What are these DM things

[night pilot]

d(omestic) m(arket)

[fading shuttle]

Yeah, that almost makes me wonder if this would even be approved until the next few days

[velvet sleet]

Still broken. Is 7th January and [Holidays from 22th December to 4th January]

[inland patio]

what does serving mean

is it relez

[rose prawn]

It was cooking before

So now it’s serving lol

[inland patio]

ah

lollolol

but where is it

oh i see

repo dead

[devout light]

Repo moderators only work on weekdays

Also Released = Served.

[regal depot]

What an interesting way to indicate progress, I see.

😁

[devout light]

Now, where the hell do I put the pushbar slot

And no I can't just create new slots in existing parts from the Vanilla Hestia.

[regal depot]

Additional Modification?

[devout light]

Hmm

That could work

[devout light]

[Awaiting Approval From Head Chef] [Free] Arima Around The Globe Expansion Packs

[clever summit]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-angry-gif-2492986610922167116

POV: head chef disapproved

[pine field]

Mostly PH/TW/VN (🇵🇭, 🇹🇼, 🇻🇳)

Everything else (🇮🇳, 🇮🇩, 🇲🇾) is RHD.

[solid lion]

SIUUU time to make a state trooper using decal editor

[devout light]

I guess you could do that yeah...

[devout light]

Sad

How the pushbar connected to the body

Also 😭

Welp what can I do ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[devout light]

I don't think I'm qualified for this.

[floral bough]

crash.

[devout light]

Do you think this kind of seat works?

Based on this XD

[sand shoal]

possibly

anyways time to drive a “bluegoose” around the cikopo-palimanan highway map and hopefully crash into a road barrier

[devout light]

It's not even out lol

[devout light]

Lol.

Good luck to whoever be in the back.

[heady elbow]

can we just not talk about USDM and Hestias

like the dude literally sent a photo that says "SEA"

[median dome]

sea, aint that that thing with water in it

[clever summit]

I mean if it works, it works

[devout light]

https://tenor.com/view/live-asian-reaction-asian-reaction-unimpressed-asian-gif-26258588

[devout light]

What the hell am I doing? IDK

[devout light]

Interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VufJPlnA1Y

[regal depot]

Nice.

[regal depot]

But where'd the medical equipment go?

[devout light]

Out of the window

Like this one

[regal depot]

Oh, I see then.

[devout light]

Maybe I could it it here

[devout light]

And I think Jbeam for those are done.

[obsidian bison]

There's gonna be IDDM market? pogU

[pine field]

Yes

[night pilot]

is there a small enough cabinet to implement in the little cubby on the left?

in here

[obsidian bison]

LETS GOOOOOOOOO

I can imagine exactly how gaia and monica is gonna be look like for IDDM market

[regal depot]

European plate holders! 😄

[devout light]

I could make it

[devout light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897423251716841492/1194485500682182706/Screenshot_20240107_195422_YouTube.png?ex=65b0864f&is=659e114f&hm=01b0054a167fc36a250439a55a78a328654ce8412d6e229ca95a249bf5549c7e&

[honest forge]

gowo bom asu

[solid lion]

"lah"

[devout light]

@night pilot Like this?

[pure wharf]

how dare you i hate the ph

[devout light]

The cabinet take 20000 Newtons to break the the beam holding it down. IDK if that alot or not enough

[lethal linden]

why does it say awaiting approval from head chef

would it be better if it said awaiting approval from food critics

[median dome]

because its been cooking

its not been sat on the table waiting

we are the food critics, the head chef is gonna let the food go out to us

[night pilot]

yeah

[regal depot]

arent we just patrons and the approval people the critics

[night pilot]

perfect

[devout light]

Now the god dam Jbeaming for it

I really wanna throw this thing away.

[devout light]

Jbeam are not perfect at all.

[obsidian bison]

Bruh

An emergency config as well

[devout light]

Be yeah it's "working" enough

[obsidian bison]

Gaia rear end looks so goofy lol

[regal depot]

"Move, schnell!" - Medic TF2
medical equipment (Medigun, Bonesaw, Syringe Gun, medkits, etc.) flies all over the ambulance

[obsidian bison]

@devout light Is the slow slushbox 4AT came stock just like that from factory?

[devout light]

wdym?

[obsidian bison]

Slam the gas whole down and it change gears really slowly

[devout light]

Ah automatic

[obsidian bison]

My 2013 minivan doesn't do that bad lol

[devout light]

Kinda slow from 3rd to 4th yeah

[obsidian bison]

Or 2019 or 2022 SUV one

[obsidian bison]

I mean the resposiveness for the tranny (transmission) to change gears

[devout light]

I mean, this is a 2000s MPV.

[obsidian bison]

Do most 2000s SUV have this kind of slow gearbox?

[devout light]

I think? try the Lansdale maybe?

[obsidian bison]

I wouldn't have know cause all vehicles we have in 2000s are in manuals only

[obsidian bison]

Kinda sluggish but its still in an okay state

Somehow 90s ETK I-series have better response towards throttle input

And the gears shifts like a dream

And with Ibishu Pessima mk2 too

Except the gear is so frickin long lol

It reall needs 42 mph just for it to change to 4th

[cosmic ether]

give it more

so it literally is like welded to the frame

[devout light]

But it's not?

[cosmic ether]

well does it easily un attach?

theyd be usually bolted down

[devout light]

I just said it took 20000 newtons to break the "bolt" holding it down

[cosmic ether]

id say do more 20000 newtons to break like 4 or so nodes holding it down is not a lot

considereing the thing weighs at least like 60kg

[devout light]

20,000 newtons of force is roughly equivalent to 4,500 pounds.

[cosmic ether]

are you using node strength as a calculation for the 20k Newtons?

[devout light]

pretty much

[cosmic ether]

i dont think theyre in newtons, maybe yes but beamstrength is usually like way higher especially for hoods and stuff from what ive seen

like 40k for beamstrength of a hinge

[devout light]

So you want me to do 40k for interior stuff also?

[cosmic ether]

try it and see

also play with gravity since it might affect the interior stuff

[night pilot]

that cabinet would likely only be about 45kg filled

considering its likely stamped steel

[cosmic ether]

still it would be bolted down

it would deform before it broke off

[night pilot]

yeah, i think 20k beam force is plenty

how much does a normal vehicle experience in a heavy crash

[devout light]

30 Gs or so

2.5 kN

[night pilot]

hm

[devout light]

around that

[cosmic ether]

if its 30gs wouldnt it be triple the car weight?

[devout light]

The average impact force of a 40 mph car crash is 335,398 N, which is equivalent to being hit by a 75,375 lb mass.

The force of a car crash is equal to the body weight multiplied by the speed of the vehicle. For example, in a 30 mph crash, a 100 lb adult becomes a 3,000 lb force against a child.

[cosmic ether]

holy crap thats a lot of force

consider the fact some idiot will crash this at 150mph

so like 60G

[devout light]

30MPH already done this XD

Well crash in the side

[cosmic ether]

i can get that for the stretcher but the locker has to be like firm

[devout light]

Let me get my airspeed app

[regal depot]

Medic TF2 try not to send Heavy TF2 flying in the ambulance at 100 km/h (IMPOSSIBLE)

[devout light]

Actually more like 50 MPH there

[cosmic ether]

get a crash hard dummy on the stretcher

[devout light]

Can't, dude keep sliding off

[regal depot]

The AgentY dummy.

[cosmic ether]

connect his limbs to the stretcher with like 300k beam strength

[devout light]

lol.

[cosmic ether]

as if hes holding on for dear life

[ancient robin]

Danny try not to reference TF2 in every single conversation (IMPOSSIBLE)

[regal depot]

Let me enjoy TF2.

[ancient robin]

enjoying a game doesnt mean referencing it in almost all messages you send, its getting annoying

[devout light]

He seems to enjoy it very much.

[cosmic ether]

he does

[devout light]

God I hate jbeaming that small amogus cabinet

Even now it still moving but slightly

[cosmic ether]

have the top nodes be really floppy after a crash so it kinda fold onto itself x3

[devout light]

I already have enough floppy things in my life.

[cosmic ether]

[night pilot]

my fault g. to be fair you didnt have to take my recommendation

[devout light]

Nah, it's my skill that is none existing anyway.

[devout light]

Anyway, I guess a 70mph crash will dislocate both cabinets is realistic

[devout light]

I'm gonna be staying at someone else house starting this Sunday. Only gonna be home on my desktop at weekend starting next week so modding gonna be helllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa slow.

[radiant flicker]

not like we'll see new mods for a while

[mystic oxide]

You plan on making anything else before the next arima?

[devout light]

I heard no new Arima gonna come for a while

[devout light]

Hmm, rest I guess? IDK, with almost no modeling skill, I can't even rebadged cars without badge engineering.

[bold cloud]

when approval finished?

[devout light]

No idea

[solid lion]

"almost no modeling skill"

[sand shoal]

why is the head chef taking so long

[cosmic ether]

his pans broke

[sand shoal]

his pants broke…?

OH I MISREAD IT

OH

OH

I MISREAD IT

IM SO SORRY

[cosmic ether]

x3

[devout light]

The kitchen is on fire rn, please wait till everything are put out.

[cosmic ether]

the extinguisher brok

the Rattatoille sold on the 22nd of December got so popular the kictech went into chaos

[solid lion]

r/ihadastroke

[devout light]

r/ihavereddit

[solid lion]

r/mochi

[sudden plume]

r/?

[solid lion]

r/thecargod

[sand shoal]

srimp

[radiant flicker]

r/ihaveihavereddit

[pine field]

r/thathappened

[solid lion]

r/deadchat

[heady elbow]

r/woooosh

[floral bough]

As the title of this forum reads…

[carmine heart]

have you considered making an external download link or posting it to the forums since the repo is dead?

[sand shoal]

i think the beamng team forgot that the repo existed

[floral bough]

Have you not seen the recent activity on the Update Speculation thread?

[radiant flicker]

so true

[carmine heart]

i haven't seen repo mentioned, can you tell me on what page you saw it

[devout light]

Huh?

***Some context: before mod approval can resume, we first need to do some other work (such as reviewing/strengthening the backend servers, etc). Some of the people needed for those tasks have already been forced to leave their families in the middle of their resting days, to tackle the unexpectedly large surge of player numbers during holidays (including weekends), to keep things running while the rest of people can enjoy their holidays. So while we understand that everyone really wants to download new mods, sometimes there are other priorities in life like mental health.

Rest assured we're not halting mod approval for fun or greediness or anything like that. I admit our banner message was probably too optimistic in trying to estimate a range of dates (same reason we don't disclose update release dates), so we'll keep this in mind to try to improve the wording in the future.

In any case, things will return to normal productivity as soon as that is possible***

From stenyak on forum

[carmine heart]

thanks

[carmine heart]

soo are there any plans to dodge the repo break this way?

[devout light]

Idk, ask the person that made it.

[regal depot]

I have been waiting for new mods for weeks but I understand, though.

[carmine heart]

oh i thought you're the author of the hestia addons

[devout light]

I am, that was a joke.

But IDK if I should do that.

[clever summit]

not to be of any alarm but i think mods are slowly being approved

[regal depot]

Nice.

Not much, but it's cool.

[devout light]

Ye it is

[sudden plume]

Good news

[devout light]

I pretty sure there is a HUGE backlog of mods that need review before me so please be patient.

[normal turtle]

What even happened to the repo

[regal depot]

The CCF broke it.

It took more than three weeks for the devs to fix it.

[bold cloud]

im sure they could hire it techies, not the devs themselves

[floral bough]

How could it scramble the servers when it released the day the devs went on their holiday break?

[pulsar holly]

20k downloads in a couple hours would do that

[clever summit]

Put it simply, the ccf exposed how weak the beamng servers are in relation to the player base/possible repo demand

[devout light]

Hmm

[sudden plume]

dam

how can they improve it tho

[devout light]

Cook

[clever summit]

Strengthening servers

[median dome]

its not an uncommon issue. Newgrounds had a similar thing happen like three years ago, and Roblox about two years ago

[normal turtle]

I'm guessing no one understood rhe true hype of the ccf lmao

[devout light]

Among us

[regal depot]

@devout light, your mod has been approved!

[obsidian bison]

https://tenor.com/view/happi-d-gif-14743453784242180789

[devout light]

Wooo.

[Served] [Free] Arima Around The Globe Expansion Packs

I guess I will purge configs next update

[pulsar holly]

Keep the ones that are unique and not just a revalue config with different lights and gauges

[pine field]

WOO

We've been approved now

[devout light]

How about transmission and engine?

[devout light]

What about amogus?

[obsidian bison]

Can't wait to try this sweet 2.7 I4 engine lol

[pulsar holly]

That’s fine to keep imo

If it’s unique in some way it’s good to keep

[devout light]

Macute the one made it btw

[obsidian bison]

I've driven the innova 2.7L prado engine once

That thing smack 0-62 in 9 secs for a 7 seater minivan back in 2005

Can't wait how this engine perform in beamng

After these

[devout light]

Lol why so many tab

[thin hill]

i've seen and have done worse at one point

just for school work

[devout light]

Hopefully yall have enough ram for that

[obsidian bison]

Firefox + 2 emulator instances + blender + obs
Doing fine still lel

Removed most of windows 10 junk cuz why not

[thin hill]

i was with only 4gbs of ram

shit forgot to turn off the ping sorry

[devout light]

No worries

4GB???

[thin hill]

yeah i was on a school laptop at least it wasn't a chromebook

[rose prawn]

It may be a little late to ask this but are there any USDM configs?

[cyan raptor]

No, there's no USDM configs planned

Hoang just said that if anybody wants a USDM Hestia they can make it themselves

But he's not gonna offer a USDM Hestia

[rose prawn]

Damn fair enough

Guess if I buy a Hestia it’ll be a JDM import

I don’t think I really wanna try and make more factory configs takes too long

[night pilot]

only thing missing from this pack to really make it usdm is front amber markers and a mph speedometer

but realistically you could just say its a canadian market car

[regal depot]

I made a Wintergreenian spec model.

[obsidian bison]

I think these 3 mirrors needs adjustments....

The gear ratio is too long @devout light

[devout light]

That's docro automatic

[obsidian bison]

Think I should use 720p for beamng recording

I can hear my PC screaming loud

[pulsar holly]

I can see it’s pain

[devout light]

I can't really touch automatic without making other one

[solid lion]

FINALLY! YES!

:) now make a russian spec

jk jk

[night pilot]

i think docro mentioned that this is going to be addressed

[devout light]

That's also a docro problem

[devout light]

Still, I should have refined the mod more but I didn't, failure on my part.

[pine field]

Nardo Nineties

[carmine scaffold]

Oh, it’s me
It’s like Ion said earlier the differences between some configs are just so small and almost unnoticeable
Except that it’s a really great mod

[devout light]

Sad

[cyan raptor]

Mod's great 👍 I like the small details added to the Hestia

And honestly I don't mind if a lot of the configs are very similar with barely any difference

It caters to some people

[devout light]

I hope so

[carmine heart]

same!

that's one of the things i love about it

[devout light]

Why do people contact me to fix the automatic... I literally can't.

[ornate canyon]

fix the automatic!!!!!

[devout light]

😭

[cyan raptor]

what's wrong with the automatic I honestly didn't really notice anything wrong with it

Are the gear ratios bad or sum

[devout light]

Sluggish is what they said.

Still, that problem is into the Hestia mod itself

[thin hill]

Why do people want a van to be fast anyways

[clever summit]

like wow a mundane everyday van being slow? blasphemy!!

[carmine heart]

i just copy pasted a shiftlogic mod in

works well

[bold cloud]

why is that automatic so responsive? i think it is tuned for diesel uses lol

[fading shuttle]

A minivan is supposed to be sluggish too, especially an automatic configuration so idk why people expect a ‘fix’ 💀

[devout light]

??? There's only one automatic

[devout light]

Fixed dashboard, gauges, audio and aircon stuff caused by the update.

[steep mango]

One of the INTs on the Hestia's LHD interior is flipped

[night pilot]

actually thats the Too-fast-but Not-quite Intermittent speed

toyota owners are very familiar with that wiper stalk

[obsidian bison]

Mine has no adjustable intermittent 😭

[obsidian bison]

But dang it didn't know the model would this high quality 🔥

[thin hill]

good job on that

[honest forge]

hey sean just asking tho, when the arima celestia (celica) gets released, will you make us version of it ?

[oak rock]

The celica already has us version iirc

[devout light]

Yeah, he did said he will make USDM versions of it.

[devout light]

oh.

[devout light]

Fixed.

[ancient robin]

yeah theres a us version (im trying my hardest to make it the worst one)

[devout light]

😭

[devout light]

Amogus police

Or pikachu, whatever yall call them.

[fallow vessel]

omg amogus police

so cool

[devout light]

God dam this is horrible.

I didn't cook at all

[cosmic ether]

uncook that

now

[devout light]

😭

[devout light]

I ditch this.

[clever summit]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsey-ramsay-gif-21687696

[devout light]

15x7 5 lugs instead.

[clever summit]

cooked

[night pilot]

almost 7th gen Celica GT 5spokes

[regal depot]

Will there be a bodykit for it? Seeing as it should look as sporty as possible.

[devout light]

The whole car is round af, I don't any bodykit even work

Also the newest update (pending) made it grippier.

[ancient robin]

wouldnt the lugs not scale down with the wheel

[devout light]

Yeah...

Shoot.

I scaled up the lugs now.

[devout light]

Welp, Ima hit the sack then.

[crystal zinc]

man idk if a whole new bolt pattern + odd wheel size for the car works

[devout light]

You do know that there is a 5 lugs thingy right?

In the custom.

[regal depot]

What will you do with the Celestia once it's released?

[devout light]

Nothing?

it's gonna come with USDM so that's nothing I could think of.

[regal depot]

Oh, okay then.

[crystal zinc]

fairs fairs

[devout light]

After tweaking around

[devout light]

The only RoadSport that use an I4 XD

[cyan raptor]

That Roadsport Cambria is cool as hell in its own way

[devout light]

It doesn't really make sense to put a V8 in a Cambria is it.

Anyway, it very loosely based on the Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 and more closely based on the Grand Marshal RoadSport.

[placid crow]

not sure if it was mentioned but the nav screen is still on when the car is off

[pulsar holly]

I could see a supercharged V6, but not a v8 being in it

[regal depot]

That config reminds me of the Dodge Neon R/T.

[devout light]

Again?

[devout light]

I swear to god it's working for me the last time I checked, oh well I will check it at weekend

[devout light]

V6 might be too big tho

[pulsar holly]

Maybe

[devout light]

So I end up taking the 2.2 I4 from CS200

Pretty much the whole story

Still, the car is hella fast

[regal depot]

Nice.

Imagine a turbo model.

[devout light]

You already reached 150MPH in that thing lol.

[regal depot]

Oh. 😅

Also, a front lip, side skirt, and rear valances can be a thing on the RoadSport model, similar to this Dodge Neon R/T.

A police version would also make sense.

For me the Cambria is like a lore-friendly Dodge Neon... in a way.

[devout light]

Does the ARD versions have anything?

[regal depot]

I'm not sure.

Maybe.

[devout light]

Yeah nothing also.

So I guess RoadSport doesn't need it also?

[devout light]

Also a police version?

Wah.

[regal depot]

Is that a no?
It's understandable.

[regal depot]

I guess it doesn't, then.

[devout light]

I do know Dodge Dart as a police car for a department tho.

[night pilot]

in general the US doesnt use much other than ford police interceptor models, dodge chargers and durangos, and chevrolet tahoes and caprices

in the 90s it's unlikely that many jurisdictions would use something like the cambria

[devout light]

Yeah

[devout light]

Update live. https://www.beamng.com/resources/arima-usdm-expansion-pack.28332/

[regal depot]

Yes!

One question though, do the Cyriva and Ardeo configs still work?

[devout light]

Yeah? Docro didn't update them recently.

[regal depot]

Oh, I see then.

[devout light]

Oh yeah, I changed JTCC to NATCC for all the LHD racing dashboard. Forgot to mention that.

[regal depot]

That's a cool idea.

[devout light]

The update not broken right...?

[obsidian bison]

Nope

[obsidian bison]

Still fine after 0.31.3 update

[devout light]

That good then

[heady elbow]

@devout light

[devout light]

Lol

[devout light]

See, I predict it.

[pine field]

Pilipinas pati

[solid lion]

indonesia

yoooo arima hestia in philippines

[pine field]

Nope, that's the Philippines

O

[solid lion]

if i had a gaia i would 3d print arima and hestia badges and put them on the gaia

the beamng fanboys looking at my custom hestia:

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-hell-gif-8356693125066769156

[vagrant iris]

[sand shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-guy-shocked-gif-27437284

[devout light]

Arima USDM Expansion Pack hit 120k download, IDK why yall wanna download this horrible mod but thank yall.

[regal depot]

😄

[fading shuttle]

Its a well done mod, and also I'm willing to bet there's a pretty decent chunk of US players into USDM who just don't go on forums/discord, which is where most players fall no matter where they're from lmao

[obsidian bison]

Most mint condition arima hestia MPV in ID

[devout light]

Lol.

[obsidian bison]

Will this mod be available in career mode?

[devout light]

Which ?

The amogus Crestiva?

[nocturne zenith]

💀💀💀

[night pilot]

now that i think about it i dont know if ive seen any of the USDM versions pop up in career

[devout light]

100 percent sure it does, I have seen the Cyriva spawned,

[night pilot]

i may just be getting unlucky then

[solid lion]

when relez (joking)

[devout light]

😐

[sudden plume]

when unrelez

[devout light]

Gtho

[devout light]

You are officially banned from Amogus Land

[sudden plume]

Unrelez Amogus.

[devout light]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-rotating-funny-gif-16158352623345703756

[solid lion]

my honest reaction:

[sudden plume]

Sanic

[solid lion]

Scenic

[solid lion]

tg

[devout light]

Wah

[sudden plume]

haW

[solid lion]

aWh

[vagrant iris]

ahW

[solid lion]

hWa

[hollow gorge]

Wha

[solid lion]

haha

[sudden plume]

ahah

[solid lion]

haah

[sudden plume]

ahha

[hollow gorge]

hhaa

[solid lion]

aahh

[lucid marlin]

haah

[sand shoal]

hhaa

[devout light]

Can yall not spam please

[solid lion]

ok

[sudden plume]

sorry, just a beamcord moment

[devout light]

[Served] [Free] Arima USDM Expansion Packs

[Served] [Free] Arima USDM Expansion Pack

[solid lion]

bruh

[devout light]

UwU, kinda wanna stay back in NA stuff rn, so yeah. OwO

[vagrant iris]

Alrighty

[rose prawn]

noice

[night pilot]

any current ideas?

[devout light]

Arima Lansdale? jkjk

[obsidian bison]

Something based on my minivan?

PogO

[shell berry]

What does served mean

[vapid fog]

The creater of this mod is replaced release with served in order for Gen Z to know that it is released or work in p[roggres

[sudden plume]

You know how the new modern generation refers to cooking when something good is being made. i.e, if OP is making a good model. His peers would say "bro is cooking" now this is a statement that is to encourage the OP to keep going. It seems to be that they use the word "cook", "cooking" and "served" to express their opinions in a interesting manner. And as cooking is a work that is greatly appreciated all over the world. It has been now used as slang.

[lucid marlin]

why does it still look good

great job making it look like a new

[obsidian bison]

Blame my 24hr high awareness 2 years ago

Now I'm being kinda wrecked to it

Also new front bumper to make it more smiley

[solid lion]

what is the recipe of the arima usdm expansion pack

/j

[lucid marlin]

oo

[devout light]

You put everything in a pot and fried it.

[solid lion]

ok

what ingredients

[devout light]

Amongus, Sus, Sussy Baka, UwU, and OwO.

[solid lion]

bruh

real

[devout light]

I mean, check how many time I said sus in this server

[lucid marlin]

UnU

[solid lion]

sus

[sudden plume]

Now that's my kind of meal

[oak rock]

It tastes really good

[devout light]

The currrent plan for Arima rn is just waiting for the next Arima to comes out without any USDM things.

[regal depot]

The Celestia.

[devout light]

The Celestia literally have a whole list of USDM configs stuff that gonna come from the dude itself. So there's no point

[cosmic ether]

56 times

[devout light]

I guess I'm just gonna chill for now.

[heady elbow]

you deserve a holiday honestky

[solid lion]

true

[sudden plume]

very true

[solid lion]

take a break, everyone loves you

[mystic oxide]

No idea when the next Arima will come out, iirc the new car the guy is working on is a jag

[devout light]

Yeah

[solid lion]

next arima will come out feb 29 2025

jk, feb 30 2024

[placid crow]

What happened to the hestia expansion pack on the repo?

[solid lion]

idk

[devout light]

I guess I have no plan to update it for now?

[devout light]

I might come back at some point, cause kinda too lazy to make some liveries

[fading shuttle]

I think he’s referring to it being marked as outdated/unsupported. It auto deactivates itself for being “out of date” now

[placid crow]

^

[devout light]

That's why I marked it as unsupported.

[vagrant iris]

Plus there are also other stuff that is outside of BeamNG that we are focusing on

[hollow gorge]

but why is it unsupported

[devout light]

As the name suggest, unsupported.

But sure I will remove the unsupported tag for the Hestia

[hollow gorge]

??

thats not the reason?

i asked if theres a reason for why its unsupported

[devout light]

This

[hollow gorge]

oh okay

sorry i didnt see

[devout light]

LHD Center Mirror

[honest forge]

wot is dat

[devout light]

Updated the location of the lights props to be how it is on the Caelo and Gaia

Changelogs

New features

Added interior lights (Already Working before I even touch it)
Added rear license plate lights (Already Working before I even touch it)
Added Dynamic Mirror (Done)

Improvements

Improved front seats detail (Already Working before I even touch it)
Adjusted all config value (Done)
Fixed hood latch (Already Working before I even touch it)
Improved light flares (Done)
and more things i don't remember​ (Docro 😭 )

Pretty much a fix to an main mod update

[devout light]

Ah also since Carman downgrade the config thumbnails, we could now send the mod though discord XD

[hollow gorge]

wait is the mod only broken for me

or was that an intentional thing

loaded up beamng 2 hours ago and the mod was broken

[devout light]

What's broken?

[hollow gorge]

you know when you spawn a car it turns white and flies into the distance

[devout light]

If the car didn't spawn then you didn't download the required mod.

[hollow gorge]

it was literally working fine for me before that lol

[devout light]

Or that

[hollow gorge]

also tried updating it but that didnt work

[devout light]

Weird, it's working for me and Carman

[hollow gorge]

and the car didnt have a thumbnail in the car menu

[hollow gorge]

ill try clearing cache, that might fix it

[devout light]

How about redownload it?

might be corrupted

[hollow gorge]

ill try that if clearing the cache doesnt work yea

[devout light]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897423251716841492/1217091890676109322/beamng.drive.x64.exe_Screenshot_2024.03.12_-_22.43.10.06.png?ex=6602c427&is=65f04f27&hm=9daaf84f6818e1ab61df427b819763e02aec2b514232d65004367cc3ab2d24d3&

https://youtu.be/xe9BLun6RW0

By Carman

Maybe I should turn this lore-friendly

[devout light]

Weekend:
Styling - 5
Acceleration - 1
Handling - 4
Fun Factor - 5
Cool Factor 5

Daily:
Features - 1
Comfort - 5
Quality - 4
Practicality - 4
Value - 7

Total DonovanScore - 41 out of 100

[devout light]

Also, update out.

[obsidian bison]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-jumping-cat-excited-excited-dance-gif-19354605

[devout light]

Also I guess bug fixes for the Hestia SEA stuff too.

Aka just adding a LHD Center Mirror thingy

[devout light]

No new stuff tho, since there's no livery to go with the emegency services stuff.

Well, there is one but I need more XD

[oak rock]

Something like this? (Covid-19 ambulance)

[devout light]

Something like that ye

[devout light]

National Police Agency (Taiwan) by me

[devout light]

Royal Thai Police by Carman

[devout light]

Philippine National Police by Carman

[devout light]

[Served] [Free] Arima Amogus Expansion Pack

[Cooking] [Free] Arima Amogus Expansion Pack

[Cooking] [Free] Arima Mr.WorldWide Expansion Pack

[oak rock]

[devout light]

National Fire Agency (Taiwan) by me

[devout light]

Dinas Kesehatan Halmahera Timur (Indonesia) by Carman

"Home East Halmahera Health Service"

[devout light]

Kinda funny how the lights actually fit this

[steep mango]

I believe you should add a LHD interior carpet so that the handbrake holder thingy won't be on the carpet

[devout light]

Great, new problem 😭

[devout light]

Done.

Took like 10 years from my life

[devout light]

Goddam.

[mystic oxide]

How many does the OG Arimas have?