tulip tangle
I'm considering a change from my boring Debian stable "setup" and I don't mind something new as long as I don't have to configure every single bit of the DE/WM (setting up i3 from scratch was painful and some things didn't work well and I eventually gave up).
My dev workflow won't be affected too much since I already have my Neovim/Tmux configs and that should be OS-independent.
I'm half-intending to step into the "arch btw" cult with EndeavourOS but thought I might take some opinions.
@dense goblet @tender birch wanna pitch in here? 😄
dense goblet
I'm considering a change from my boring Debian stable "setup" and I don't mind s...
w00t-w00t 🥳
I rocked EndeavourOS for several years. it was my first venture into tiling widows with bspwm.
They had it as an installable config option in their Calamares installer and I reallllyyy liked it!!!
prior to that, I was a Debian user for over 10 years. I ended my run with PopOS. there are times i kinda sorta miss Debian based distros, but after I made the full Arch jump, I have been far happier!!
I have yet to break my setup, considering the whole "rolling release", this has been absolutely rock-solid!!!
as you mention having used i3wm, then check out sway.
i have yet to use it, but from what i understand, it's a drop-in replacement for i3, and I think you can even use the same i3 configs?! 🤔
i had to make the switch to something "Wayland", since it's newer and more modern featured.
the biggest reason for my switch was becuase i could never find a simple way to get bspwm on triple monitor setup.
just for a regular dual setup, it was a painful manual config.
I bought this gadget last summer https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=44466
and it works flawless!!!
that's what's powering this setup here.
it was pretty much just "plug-n-go"!
i was so excited!!!
@tulip tangle thanks for the heads-up! 👍
tulip tangle
<@1046357344977690664> thanks for the heads-up! 👍
No thank you 😄
May I also use this chance to ask you about Wayland?
dense goblet
after the recent nvim + tmux chat earlier, i think i am gonna take the plnuge man.
i dont know much about Wayland, but sure man.
tulip tangle
I only have question: why? 😂
dense goblet
from my readings and reddit and Q&A with ChatGPT, i'm still learning quite a bit.
tulip tangle
after the recent nvim + tmux chat earlier, i think i am gonna take the plnuge ma...
Let's gooo!
dense goblet
I only have question: why? 😂
lol
i have always wanted to feel like a Pro-Coder
and i feel like ThePrimeagan was these external monitors.
minus the ADHD
tulip tangle
> I only have question: why? 😂
lol
i have always wanted to feel like a **_Pro...
I was asking that about Wayland. I won't even question your taking the plunge. 😂
dense goblet
sure. ask away.
but know, i am also quite the newb, still, haha
tulip tangle
"Why should I care?" would be a start
from what I know it's "in development" compared to Xorg
in other words, everything I used out of the box is Xorg afaik, so I'd have to go out of my way to go Wayland
and I have no idea about the implications
tender birch
I've only ever done arch with a small xorg DM, but I've run Ubuntu on several machines and it's always worked fine.
Also Fedora 40 came out today which uses Hyperland.
I personally don't really care, I just want it to work. I think PopOS would even suit.
As for dev tools like nvim, tmux, and even terms like Wez / Kitty / etc. - those should all just kinda work on their own.
tulip tangle
As for dev tools like nvim, tmux, and even terms like Wez / Kitty / etc. - those...
Yeah that's never an issue. I even set up my dotfiles with GNU stow now so it's even easier
tulip tangle
OK It's done people.... EndeavourOS XFCE for now
tender birch
I've heard a lot of love on AwesomeWM as well. Might be worth a try?
tulip tangle
Why not? I had to pick one of the officially supported Endeavour DEs to make my life potentially easier for now
yay and AUR are awesome tho
I no longer have to look for debs to download and install manually
and it's all searchable
dense goblet
from what I know it's "in development" compared to Xorg
"Why should I care?" would be a start
from what I know it's "in development" compared to Xorg
from my understandings:
xorg is just old and it's a patch over patch over s'more patches - old & unreliable.
doesn't support "new" stuff, like my triple setup, and I'm sure other things.
to get it working, i went through so many configs and guides and tutorials, dozens of dotfiles I found on reddit and github, over months of frustration - and not a single one worked.
my absolute first boot from a clean archinstall, after installing hyprland and a handful of packages - it just freaking worked!
i didn't have to config anything 
so i'm sticking with it.
and I'm not one to "like" unnecessary ricing, like colored borders and shadows and animations. i have always liked how minimal bspwm was, and i3 and dwm. those were the tilers I had used in the past.
everytime I saw someones "rice" on /r/unixporn, I always scrolled past those that did not appeal to my "minimal preference" 🤣
but here i am with the most minimal config I have ever configged, animations & shadows on my windows, bwahahaha.
and it just works.
# Search AUR with fzf
# function to install packages
alias fy='fzfyay'
fzfyay () {
yay -Slq | fzf -m --preview 'bat <(yay -Si {1}) <(yay -Fl {1} | awk "{print \$2}")' | xargs -ro yay -S
}
The author of LunarVim (chris@machine) had this alias/function on his blog once, and I have been using it ever since.
dependencies fzf & bat.
tulip tangle
> "Why should I care?" would be a start
> from what I know it's "in development"...
Hyprland literally crashed on logging in and threw me back to the login manager 😂
I think I'll stay with i3
the EndeavourOS config is nice enough so far
I did very few tweaks
dense goblet
the EndeavourOS config is nice enough so far
The EndeavourOS forum is probably the best Arch community - EVER!!!
tulip tangle
The EndeavourOS forum is probably the best Arch community - EVER!!!
Nice! I didn't look there yet but I already see they have their own docs other than the Arch Wiki
so lots of RTFM to do 😄
dense goblet
so lots of RTFM to do 😄
When I was on Debian, I never heard of RTFM, it wasn't until I started playing with Arch 🤣
In fact, I was once told on Reddit to run rm -rf / 😬
They can be brutal!!!
tulip tangle
Arch community on Reddit... yeaaah, I can imagine 😂
tender birch
When I was on Debian, I never heard of `RTFM`, it wasn't until I started playing...
don't go in Neovim IRC. RTFM is all it is.
tulip tangle
imagine if having to read a manual for 9 hours like TJ is a requirement before asking something on the internet
dense goblet
imagine if having to read a manual for 9 hours like TJ is a requirement before a...
i heard someone read the entire thing ... so that's true?