Disinfo - Israel - Palestine 2023-?

[gray locust]

What's your evidence a Canadian is used by a Hamas affiliated outlet

[compact snow]

Look, I'm just highlighting a trend I'm seeing on social media. Conspiracies being spread about about the WCK jetty/JLOTS causeway, and then these videos maligning the food aid being provided.

[digital basin]

That QNN is Hamas-affiliated.

[gray locust]

Sorry I'm out.

[knotty tundra]

This has nothing to do with this discussion.

[scarlet orbit]

You're speculating about a specific case based on something general. That's not really what we're trying to do here.

[compact snow]

All I'll say is I don't really care if your reaction is one way or the other, I think it's an important disinformation/misinformation story to be covered, and is one that I do think needs to be monitored, and hopefully aid agencies can stamp this out before it has negative effects on the delivery of food aid, and in the case of the conspiracies about the WCK jetty and JLOTS causeway, causes it to get attacked by bad actors.

Because conspiracies that the means of entry for 2 million meals a day for Gaza is somehow a "US naval base" by tankies like Medhurst, Pawel and Victims of Capitalism, will inevitably lead to it (and the aid workers on it) coming under attack.

[digital basin]

How much longitudinal experience do you have with QNN? I've occasionally clicked on their stories, and it's very heavily biased in Hamas' favor, and at times, I've seen reporting which either they know isn't true, or have been duped into believing is true, but which isn't.

[compact snow]

So yea, I highlight this story so others can monitor it too.

[digital basin]

And monitor the particular source too.

[scarlet orbit]

Subtle Knife has already clarified that this line of inquiry is unrelated to the current item of discussion. I don't think anyone (here) is trying to debate whether QNN are Hamas-affiliated (right now). You, however, are speculating about this specific case, based on that general trend.

[digital basin]

Sorry, but I really get frustrated when people willingly gobble up what clearly is info warfare aimed at exacerbating an already dire humanitarian situation.

[knotty tundra]

There are a lot of people agreeing with you that this is disinformation.

What is not acceptable here is statements of opinion. They muddy the waters. They detract from the thing on which people are agreeing with you. Is that what you want?

[digital basin]

Okay. So, monitor this story and the precursor to it (which was people throwing away the aid on social media as "non-halal"), the source (QNN), as well as the reporter.

[sharp olive]

QNN reuploads random stuff. Who and what they are is rather irrelevant. The og source can be found within 2s by just googling the guy's name.

[tepid heart]

The problem is the specific insinuation that QNN made the guy say it. This is a precise place, we don't want to "shoot from the hip" like this.

[wary jewel]

He has the main course. The internal clear package is sealed when he opens it and you can see the entree pouch in the background.
MREs are two bags, the brown bag, then an internal clear bag that has all the individualy sealed components.

Green pouch at top in P1, or the green pouch still in the clear bag in P2. Pretty sure the cardboard he's holding in P2 is actually the nutritional facts for the entree but I'd have to check a reference to be positive.

[compact snow]

So he ate all the snacks, says all the MRE had was crackers and peanut better, and nuts, and leaves the main meal of the MRE completely untouched.

[digital basin]

Is it a hot sauce packet in the left pic?

[wary jewel]

Yes. MREs can come with hot sauce, chili powder, some other condiments.

Ref image. Cardboard he's holding in P2 is nutritional facts for the entree.
https://epidemicproof.com/products/2023-mre-meal-11-vegetable-crumbles-with-pasta-in-taco-sauce

[compact snow]

https://www.tiktok.com/@asmar.m8/video/7346334162086989064

[digital basin]

Yah, "Accessory Pack A" or B, IIRC?

Ah, it's even on top of the accessory pack.

[compact snow]

Note that they don’t show the packaging of the MRE that would make it easy to identify. Making allegations it contains pork and other things.

[compact snow]

But as you can see in the pdf, there isn’t a curry “standard” MRE, but there this is one of the specifically Halal/Kosher (both ban pork, of course) religious accomodation MRE meals, chicken curry with basmati rice.

https://www.dla.mil/Troop-Support/Subsistence/Operational-rations/Kosher-and-Halal/

[compact snow]

To make it easier to view rather than have the TikTok account locking.

[digital basin]

https://vxtwitter.com/david_febv41755/status/1767745951756914939
Menu #12: Elbow Macaroni in Tomato Sauce
From what I can gather, pork-free.
Pic is screengrab where menu of MRE is visible

[knotty tundra]

Vegetarian, even.

[digital basin]

Just in case:
Gluten is a vegetable protein naturally found in certain cereal grains. The types of grains that contain gluten include all species of wheat (common wheat, durum, spelt, khorasan, emmer and einkorn), and barley, rye, and some cultivars of oat; moreover, cross hybrids of any of these cereal grains also contain gluten, e.g. triticale. Gluten makes up 75–85% of the total protein in bread wheat.

[digital basin]

Must ... not ... make ... salty ... remark ...

[knotty tundra]

Menu 12 Vegetarian
Elbow Macaroni in Tomato Sauce
Barbecue Protein Puffs
Applesauce with Mango and Peach Puree
Peanut Butter
Strawberry Preserves
Whole Wheat Bread, Mini-Loaf
Chocolate Protein Drink Powder
Crushed Red Pepper
Hot Beverage Bag
Accessory Packet A

That's the 2021 version, from the link I posted somewhere above.

[digital basin]

I checked with the link @compact snow posted, apparently still is the same, maybe tweaked with the condiments a bit, but still veggo.

[snow apex]

These MREs are designed to be nutritionally complete, so they would help with malnourishment. They are sealed, have good quality control, will survive unrefrigerated and can be prepared in the field. Also they try to make them tasty enough to keep morale up (you are already lacking a kitchen). It is a shame disinformation is being pushed about them which could affect their uptake in Gaza.

[digital basin]

Also, expiry date, it's a BBE date, i.e. do sniff/taste test. And they're well-packed, that’s Steve1989MREInfo’s whole YT gig; he’s gone into decades-old rations: https://www.youtube.com/@Steve1989MRE

[snow apex]

Steve is a really good MRE source, I learned a lot from his videos.

[digital basin]

And for future reference for y'all, freeze-dried foods do lose some of their taste and consistency, but they are good foods.

[queen marsh]

Interestingly, the original video's label is "what is in the American aid??" seemingly because the labels on the packing are not in Arabic. I've seen a few claims of expired or non-halal food in Arabic social media as well, but it hasn't made it to any major press so it's doubtful. The main thing people discuss is how paltry the accessible amounts of airdropped aid have been for starving families in the north, and the dangers of trying to recieve the aid. Also some annoying nationalists accusing one anothers' nations of sending expired aid (i.e the following)
https://x.com/aures_54/status/1767947750161760454?s=20

🇩🇿 أوراس54 (@aures_54) on X

قام #المغرب بتحويل المساعدات التي كانت موجهة لضحايا #زلزال_الحوز وأغلبها منتهي الصلاحية إلى سكان #غزة_العزة مستغلا شاحنات صهـ.ـيونية ووضع عليها ملصقات مكتوب عليها "مساعدات من المملكة المغربية"!

ألا تستحون؟ تستغلون شاحنات من يقـ.ـتل سكان #غزة لتقدموا لهم مساعدات منتهية الصلاحية؟

Twitter · Mar 13, 2024, 4:16 PM

[austere jolt]

worth noting that it's not haram to eat non-halal foods in times of immediate survival

[digital basin]

Which should come into play if the reports of significant parts of the MRE's having been Haram, but from what I see, the claims of Haram MRE's appear to be less than trustworthy (e.g. videos posted previously).

[austere jolt]

for sure it's two things to keep in mind, the above exception and from a logistical standpoint, the most readily available nourishment in the short term is haram MREs that will provide some immediate relief while the other varieties of nutritional support are spun up

so between those two factors, it's extremely unlikely that this is malicious and it's just a logistical issue

[digital basin]

And even if there were, assuming same palletization as on surplus sales, only part would be Haram.

[gaunt tangle]

||https://www.instagram.com/p/C4tuQi5Lr0D/?igsh=emtyeWdnc21tazVy||

CW: child with visible severe injuries

Putting this here - alleging Israel is using chemical weapons is a major claim without evidence. It appears to me that she is heavily ||burnt|| which is possible (although I'm not sure what specific weapons can cause it)

khaledbeydoun

Saja Junaid. 4 years old.

Say her name. Look at her face.

Or whatever remains of what it once was.

She was once a wide-eyed, cute, bubbly and beautiful young girl with the world ahead of her. However, the genocide she faced - and the chemical Irlia automatic weapons used against her - forever changed her face.

Mangled her face. Disgured ...

Likes

10000

Instagram

[gray locust]

It's a wrong translation and added chemical. The original says burnt face through international weapons, nothing about chemical

[gaunt tangle]

Makes sense, thanks!

[queen marsh]

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2024-03-19/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israeli-influence-op-targets-u-s-lawmakers-on-hamas-unrwa/0000018e-5098-d282-a19f-7dd95cc70000

A follow up to the Twitter bots using stock images of black people to spread anti-UNRWA and pro-Israel content. It's very interesting that there seems to be a set playbook for disinfo campaigns like this - cultivate an audience with non-political, demographically-appropriate content, then unleash a blitz of disinformation. The targeting of politicians specifically seems unique though.

[azure gust]

can confirm this is a playbook esp on Twitter across different campaigns, target audiences, and communities.

[queen marsh]

Does anyone know the details behind the israelwarroom X account? It's been a purveyor of disinformation since the start of the conflict. Latest example (very graphic, 3 direct strikes on seemingly unarmed men): ||https://x.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1770954376989020481?s=20||
You can clearly see the second projectile come down from the top left. The men have been identified as civilians trying to return to their homes in the north by Gazan sources.

[gray locust]

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/israel-war-room-bias/

[outer pumice]

nothing visually explicit in this video. Concerning Israelis blocking aid from Egypt into Gaza.
https://youtu.be/LqRzfb2oMaM?si=7YML0L5SporoJcX8

I’d be interested in other people’s thoughts as to why this particular video might be considered disinfo/propaganda other than its source

[gray locust]

When you're only a reader here and not familiar with this really terrible group with a long history of false claims and Russian and Syrian propaganda, you may think it's a good source for all info on that war or other events. There's other biased media we don't do that tbf, but Blumenthal and Co are on another level.

[outer pumice]

Fair enough. I found the video interesting in that it featured Israeli voices and interviews, but I can see how this outlet’s reputation would undercut the credibility.

[gray locust]

Just because the medium is a #®%¥¢√ doesn't mean the message isn't true in some cases

[queen marsh]

So long as it's firsthand interview or testimony and doesn't appear to be egregiously edited, I think it's valuable even if it is published by a rather disreputable outlet.

[willow lynx]

It is just published by people who edit egrigiously all the time, so its just worthless sorry to say.

[queen marsh]

Yeah the video in question is very heavily edited

[digital salmon]

https://twitter.com/Mondoweiss/status/1773107767017930764?t=rCnXVkk9RH7pe5HS8IJF2w&s=19

Don't know if this report is to be taken at face value or not which is why I post it here

Mondoweiss (@Mondoweiss) on X

Captain Bar Zonshein recounts firing tank shells on vehicles carrying Israeli civilians on October 7. "I decide that this is the right decision, that it's better to stop the abduction and that they not be taken," he told Israeli media outlets.

https://t.co/jCPtKECT9g

Twitter · Mar 27, 2024, 10:00 PM

[gray locust]

It was on Ynet (Israeli media) also, they named him Sonnenshein

[knotty tundra]

Did you post the correct link? And maybe while you're checking, can you clarify why you are posting it?

[digital salmon]

||https://twitter.com/docjazzmusic/status/1774004214135464320?t=RF41JQUjbM6p_1XFuXbZrA&s=19||

Warning: ⚠️ Disinformation
"WATCH and switch your sound on - you'll see bodies of murdered Palestinian civilians swept away by an Israeli bulldozer, while a female soldier sings a cheerful song. SINISTER!"

[compact snow]

For clarity, the disinformation is that entire post is nonsense.

The bodies aren't civilians and those cleaning up the bodies aren't singing a children's song.

These are the bodies of the Hamas terrorists killed by Israeli forces within Israel during the October 7th terrorist attacks being cleaned up. The singing is not in the original video, docjazzmusic reposted the video posted by Felipe Neves, and if you click through you'll find the "original" video and a translation here (CW: Dead bodies) ||https://twitter.com/_FilipeNeves/status/1774126886072852798|| which has no singing in it, just has one of the people cleaning up the Hamas terrorists bodies cursing them.

#israel-palestine message

[gaunt marsh]

Can you clarify the source of this being in Israel? The tweet you linked says this is inside Gaza but without much authority.

[compact snow]

No the tweet I linked doesn’t say that?

This video re-surfaced in recent days, with an added voice-over singing a mocking children song, which is not part of the original footage. This is from October 10th, not a recent video.

Israel did not start its incursion into Gaza until October 27th, so the video being from October 10th makes that impossible.

And furthermore:

(CW: Dead bodies) || https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1774116852853022890||

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Envelope

All these accounts openly describe themselves as anti Israel/pro Palestinian, as well.

[gaunt marsh]

This was my mistake - was not familiar with the term Gaza envelope and thought the tweet was contradictory. Thank you for the clarification 🙂

[gray locust]

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-israel-roadside-bomb-world-central-kitchen-096413602260

[compact snow]

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/27/us-state-depts-chef-gaza-aid-rubble/

Grayzone, Max Blumenthal et al accusing José Andres of being a “State Department asset”, making allegations of WCK using rubble with bodies in it with no evidence, and being their usual tankie selves.

Archived link: https://archive.ph/jEIOw

https://vxtwitter.com/mrbarnicoat/status/1775268053556834588

https://vxtwitter.com/lowkey0nline/status/1775266186835763585

Wildly untrue allegations that the three British WCK security personnel were spies.

More accounts spreading the same stuff.

https://vxtwitter.com/kahlissee/status/1775276176426356912

[gaunt tangle]

iirc lowkeyonline is close to blumenthal and friends

also downright disrespectful to say this kind of stuff, but what to expect from these people

[errant stone]

https://x.com/shaykhsulaiman/status/1775676621128659201?s=46&t=07uthhUirHc31SQgzVGUXw

Sulaiman Ahmed (@ShaykhSulaiman) on X

BREAKING: CIVILIANS ARE FLEEING ISRAEL

It's 3.00am in Israel. Traffic leaving the city of Haifa is jammed. Israelis are fleeing as they're scared of potential Iranian retaliation.

This is an own goal as Netanyahu's political career hangs by a thread.

Twitter · Apr 4, 2024, 12:07 AM

[gray locust]

One of the biggest war influencers on Insta

[hollow night]

That's very obviously a joke

[sonic hearth]

Aeryn can speak for herself of course but my interpretation of her sharing is that yes, it's intended as a "joke" in a certain information space, but is terribly cruel

[digital basin]

Isn't it the capitol on the left side of the faux lego box?

[gray locust]

i cant believe you want to discuss if its disinfo or not when its clearly postet because of its cruelity from a known propaganda account and thats something that has to be highlighted and fits better in here because of the OP.

[gaunt tangle]

iirc it's AI generated

[azure gust]

it absolutely is:

[scarlet orbit]

And the legible text was edited in later?

[azure gust]

quite possible.

some generative models are text-capable as well. might be that certain text sizes aren't within grasp of thise one--just like bungling some of those LEGO bricks.

[gray locust]

https://twitter.com/BenLorber8/status/1777803576615592412?t=eYthzfTmaZQhsOZ8pOrYlQ&s=19

[scarlet orbit]

I see we're getting back to the basics in terms of antisemitic tropes.

[gray locust]

surprise https://www.palestinebookawards.com/books/2015/item/the-51-day-war-resistance-and-ruin-in-gaza?category_id=17

[gaunt tangle]

"the Jewish lobby controls the US government" at this point is a mainstream belief

[austere jolt]

Can anyone confirm the translation/interpretation is accurate?

https://vxtwitter.com/abierkhatib/status/1778114761957224454?

[gray locust]

I remember that, it's an older video that went through the press, it's an israelian hairdresser, if you want to I look for a screenshot

[gaunt tangle]

https://vxtwitter.com/revolutionaryem/status/1779631306806358209 disinfo narrative about israel concealing the extent about the strikes

[austere jolt]

https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/1782360891624665180/ https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/1782360949627785438/

[austere jolt]

https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan/podcasts/p-702364/739136/
Could we get a translation that this source is asserting that an Israeli professor's name omitted from groundbreaking research due to EU space agency's policy to not mention israelis/jews?

I don't speak hebrew but looking around the most recent published paper from the ESA has an Israeli professor, Tsevi Mazeh is mentioned several times: https://www.cosmos.esa.int/web/gaia/iow_20240416

[spice tundra]

read and skim-listened to the accompanying interview. they talk mostly about the research. at 14:00 minutes in the anchor asks about the reception of Israeli academic institutions in the context of Israel's isolation.

The Kan interview description above the audio box - and the academic himself in the interview - asserts that his name was not mentioned in the press release of the ESA, which may be this one: https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Gaia/Sleeping_giant_surprises_Gaia_scientists ; however the press release does link to a PDF on researchers involved, which does mention Mazeh and Israel: https://esamultimedia.esa.int/docs/science/ESA_Gaia_BH3_AdditionalInformation.pdf

The academic says he was told that the ESA policy is not to mention Israelis (absolutely does not say Jews). He's asked about his feelings on the matter, he says the research is the most important thing, that he's sad, that Israelis don't understand how isolated Israel is becoming and how dependent the country is on the world, particularly in academia/science.

[austere jolt]

Thank you for taking the time to do this!

[austere jolt]

Can't tell if it's a sincere misunderstanding about sell by dates etc

https://vxtwitter.com/marisaturno_/status/1784273810704736598

[true snow]

Yeah I think it's a misunderstanding. Most Americans don't even understand what the best by date means

[knotty tundra]

Also they're Skittles, it's not milk. Of course they'll be fine.

[wary jewel]

Booby trapped food can disinformation popping up again. Claims again that M603 fuze containers for the M15 anti tank mines the IDF uses for demolition are being used as traps that explode when they open. They have a safety clip you'd have to remove after opening the can, then apply 140-240 pounds to trigger the fuze.
Tweet has retweeted a teenager with wounded legs allegedly from mine fuze.
||https://twitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1784755365957022082?t=0udc3KVnKpG-ve5d5nedUQ&s=19||
https://cat-uxo.com/explosive-hazards/fuzes/m603-fuze
#1161401676943609907 message

[austere jolt]

https://fxtwitter.com/mollytaft/status/1787615358687322360?
https://fxtwitter.com/mollytaft/status/1787327260917150036

[gray locust]

welcome to axel springer quality journalism (wrong channel @austere jolt ?)

[true snow]

https://vxtwitter.com/khawatiri2222/status/1786972726000791608

Is it just me or does this look AI generated?

[gaunt marsh]

It could be AI, but that's a less-than-3 minute photoshop job...

[azure gust]

it's AI generated. this is a trend.

[gaunt marsh]

AI has some pretty big issues with creating letters and words that look natural... I guess if you prompted it "Shade "SAVE GAZA" over this picture" you could get this output, but again... it's a much simpler job in Photoshop.

[azure gust]

here's an unrelated example in the same vein:

[true snow]

Jeez I didn't even notice the save Gaza thing

[gaunt marsh]

(using the same site I used a minute ago on the SAVE GAZA image)

I guess the point is... definitely fake either way. 😄

[tepid heart]

This specific type of image has a very easy process, the model doesn't need to generate any of the text. You take an image containing "SAVE GAZA" and basically use it as a checkpoint for Stable Diffusion to start from

like this but with a different image file. I think most/all of this genre of AI art works like this, incl. the trollface above.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aiArt/comments/16nxg77/how_to_create_spiral_ai_image/

I wouldn't call this one "disinfo" though, I think it's fairly obviously meant as art

[true snow]

Agreed. I put it here because I didn't clock the words

knocks on thick skull

[digital basin]

Dunno how truthful Erdogan is, so posting this here: https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2024/05/13/erdogan-says-over-1-000-hamas-members-being-treated-in-hospitals-across-turkey https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/erdogan-over-1000-hamas-members-being-treated-in-hospitals-in-turkey/

Erdogan says over 1,000 Hamas members being treated in Turkiye.

[visual pulsar]

Is it possible that Hamas counted normally occurring deaths as war-related and blamed them on Israel? How did the UN (and all major news outlets) miss that?
https://twitter.com/ShimonLevit/status/1789919673678537084

Shimon Levit (@ShimonLevit) on X

The mortality rate in Gaza is around 8000 people per year. So for 7 months of the war means that 5,600 people in average would have died no matter what. That leaves the ratio of civilians dying at around 8% of the total death toll.

Twitter · May 13, 2024, 7:24 AM

[wary timber]

maybe not the most reliable of sources to be disputing civilian casualties given he supports the Israeli government.

none of these really suggest “neutral and unbiased”

[tepid heart]

As a general rule we probably shouldn't immediately trust these sorts of flashy graphics from opinionated sources when the war is actively going on

[gray locust]

The average death rate in Gaza and the Westbank in 2021 were in 4 of 1000, so the 8000 as base is correct. And that's the only thing of this poll that is based on facts. All other numbers can't be verified. Second, you need to clarify the meaning of natural death before you come with numbers. Third: no sources listed, I checked the original poster.

[gray locust]

If patient A dies cause the hospital he got his blood washed was bombed and he dies days after of kidney failure he has a natural death caused by a war. If Patient B has a heart attack cause a bomb exploded in his house he has a natural death caused by war. If you want to do a static, you have to clarify these things.

[wary jewel]

The ~20,000 figure going around is actually 24,686 fully identified deaths. The UN never reduced the total fatalies by ~10k as some reports are saying. The number is still 34,622 fatalities recorded in Gaza as of April 30. https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fatalities-un-intl-latam/index.html

Also worth mentioning:

The total number of dead also does not include the approximately 10,000 people who are still missing and trapped under the rubble, the officials added.

[frank apex]

Reminder that Israeli intelligence also considers the Gaza Health Ministry numbers to be generally accurate.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3w4w7/israeli-intelligence-health-ministry-death-toll

[visual pulsar]

AFAIK the main disagreement is less about total death toll but about the ratio of militants to non-combatant, which is where the revised UN numbers changed dramatically.

[frank apex]

That's... not what happened at all though? Maybe we're talking past one another here. As I understand it the "revised" UN numbers don't have anything to do with the combatant/non-combatant ratio, they're about the number of victims who have been identified by name. Per the CNN article posted directly above my message:

As of writing, there have been > 35,000 fatalities, including ~24,000 women and children. Of those total 35,000, only 24,000 have been identified by name. The UN's last report recorded those 24,000 identified deaths. That's not a reversal of the original 35,000 estimate or the ratio of women and children killed, it's just a reflection of the fact that identifying bodies takes time and so the "identified" count will lag behind the "total estimate" count.

[visual pulsar]

That's based on official UN data and press conference
https://twitter.com/lkajomovitz/status/1789806777619320837
compare official data for day 213 of fighting with day 215
https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-reported-impact-day-213
https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-reported-impact-day-215

Leslie Kajomovitz (@lkajomovitz) on X

What does the @UN say about the sudden change on their death tolls where they slashed the dead women and "children" by nearly half?

@UN_Spokesperson Farhan Haq:  “Yeah, the revisions are taken… you know, as we, of course, in the fog of war, it’s difficult to come up with…

Twitter · May 12, 2024, 11:56 PM

[visual pulsar]

sorry couldnt find a "clean" version of this without the accompanied rhetoric...

[gray locust]

She was the creator of the other one, too. That's also the person that calls protestors watermelon zombies. I think it got pointed out enough and we should finish here.

[edgy spruce]

This is the same fallacy anti-vaxxers use to disregard the lethality of covid. If someone (a sick elderly person) let’s say) who would perhaps have died anyway is killed by injuries from a bomb, the stress of having to flee without water, food or medicine, that’s still a death by violence. Doesn’t matter if they “would have died anyway”.
It’s easy to see how wildly lethal this war has been. Just look at how the number of dead children relate to adults. No reason to think there’s be any significant mortality in this group.

🤦‍♂️Whups, didn’t realize I was responding to an old message.

[karmic maple]

https://twitter.com/Kahlissee/status/1791211250145264093?t=FNFqafgGKVzwnRI4uIQCwA&s=19 Seeing this get called out for inaccurate Hebrew translation? I'm unsure if the narrative being created is supported by the video.

Khalissee (@Kahlissee) on X

Huge smack on Netanyahu's face!

During a visit to injured soldiers at Tsedek Hospital in Jerusalem, one of the wounded surprised Netanyahu:

'Please stop the war. You are driving us to slaughter while your son flees to study abroad.'

This is what you call a PR FAIL !

Twitter · May 16, 2024, 8:56 PM

[loud kettle]

TW: talk about bodily harm - no gore/images
||I am hearing this float around a lot. It is true that in october it was already said her body was found. Did anyone look into this?https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1791871286697742471||

[gaunt tangle]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/30/middleeast/shani-louk-dead-israel-intl/index.html

in order for the fragment found back then to be present it is not possible for the person to be alive (im not a doctor so my explanation won't be the best)

[wary jewel]

Herzog said that, reporting from the same time (such as the CNN article vhfg linked) says that according to her mother just a skull fragment was found and that she was shot in the head. Just sounds like Herzog misunderstood, or misrepresented the facts. Hamas has been holding the bodies hostage, so there's also the possibility they could have kept the bodies on ice. Zei_squirrel is a terrible source in general.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1698670724-herzog-says-german-israeli-shani-louk-found-beheaded-in-gaza

[austere jolt]

https://bsky.app/profile/ygalanter.bsky.social/post/3kt45h4lvys25

[ancient raptor]

Hi everyone, I'm looking at this video allegedly showing clashes between Palestinian militants and the Israeli military in Al-Mughayyir. I've geolocated it, but I was doubting if the audio is genuine. Any thoughts?
https://x.com/PalpostN/status/1779166512831463767

فلسطين بوست (@PalpostN) on X

اشتباك مسلح خلال التصدي لاعتداءات المستوطنين في بلدة المغير قضاء رام الله.

Twitter · Apr 13, 2024, 3:15 PM

[wary jewel]

Laura Loomer saying US supplying Hamas with M112 (C4) blocks that is likely from Iran. US M112 is marked differently, as seen in the DVIDs picture.
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1795140818346422285?t=5v4b2dLcVeLWCdGKhtnKJw&s=19
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/A-Guide-to-Illicit-Iranian-Weapon-Transfers-in-the-Gulf.pdf
https://www.dvidshub.net/image/4374553/tick-tick-boom

Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) on X

EXCLUSIVE:

The IDF @IDF just recovered US-made M112 explosive charges in a @UNRWA school in Jabalia, Gaza. Intelligence sources have told me that the batch numbers on the charges indicate that they are from a 2007 US production that were sold to the Egyptians.

This is a major

Twitter · May 27, 2024, 5:11 PM

[sharp olive]

Seems interesting that Iran seems to have adopted both the US army nomenclature system and the imperial system of measurements

[wary jewel]

Iran had a lot of US equipment from back when the US supported Iran before the revolution. So they inherited a lot of US platforms, and standards. Now, due to sanctions they have a weird mix of US/NATO and Soviet/Chinese influenced/copied platforms and ordnance.

Here's the archived Defense Industries of Iran. You can search .pdf files and find all their ordnance/ammo catalogs. https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.diomil.ir*

[sharp olive]

I'm aware of that. That was half a century ago. These are usually used for export oriented products.

I already found some. Just thought it was funny since it looked like chinese playdough for milsim enthusiasts. Guess their corruption issues aren't that bad.

https://www.mindexcenter.ir/sites/default/files/2020-11/113.png

[austere jolt]

https://fixupx.com/marcowenjones/status/1795851463345713228

[austere jolt]

https://www.404media.co/viral-all-eyes-on-rafah-image-came-from-facebook-group-to-advance-ai/

[wary jewel]

A few different claims circulating of US involvement of varying degrees in the Israeli hostage rescue operation
https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1799434337584128278
https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1799432676341850579
https://x.com/afshinrattansi/status/1799467572741505393

Hostage Cell
Axios reported that US Hostage Cell in Israel supported the effort, which US hostage cell support has been previously reported:
https://www.axios.com/2024/06/08/israel-hostage-rescue-gaza-music-festival
CBS reporting that "The U.S. military did not participate in the operation" and "CBS News learned on Saturday that the U.S. role came mainly in the form of intelligence support. Two U.S. officials confirmed that, but declined to share sensitive details regarding the operation. "
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-support-israeli-forces-rescue-hostages-gaza/
Oct 14th mention of US Hostage Rescue support:
"The U.S. is providing some personnel and much-needed munitions to Israel. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin announced that a small special operations cell was now assisting Israel with intelligence and planning, and providing advice and consultations to the Israeli Defense Forces on hostage recovery efforts. Those forces, however, have not been tasked with hostage rescue, which would put them on the ground fighting in the conflict. That’s something the Biden administration has not approved and White House spokesman John Kirby has said the Israelis do not want."
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-military-navy-carrier-e648c53dc53a46e2e12950784ea5e8d2

Pier
Only evidence of I've seen of US pier actually being associated is hostages being flown out by helicopters that landed between US pier and IDF base at outpost of pier. The IDF base at the south side of the US pier, is where the IDF made Netzarim Corridor ends, at the sea.
Helicopter landing south of pier: https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1799412645168058871
Sat Imagery with labeling by Aric https://x.com/AricToler/status/1791113114106122729
More recent aerial imagery: https://x.com/OrenCNN/status/1791171564609720706
CENTCOM Statement saying pier wasn't used, and "An area south of the facility was used by the Israelis to safely return the hostages to Israel." https://x.com/CENTCOM/status/1799578307001717226

Humanitarian Aid Truck
There's a claim IDF used a humanitarian truck to infiltrate the area where the hostages were. There's been instances of IDF going undercover, such as the recent West Bank raid where IDF dressed as patients and doctors, so that claim could be true. I don't know if this truck is specifically an aid truck, or just a commercial/civilian truck.
Video of box truck and smaller white vehicle in the middle of a IDF convoy: https://x.com/NeedFilters/status/1799509501176861039
Second video of box truck that better shows the side design: https://x.com/the_physicist23/status/1799439263123300646
Image of a different box truck that was used in the operation. Spoiler dead body visible ||https://t.me/hamza20300/254621||

US Troop Direct Involvement
QNN (1) is posting a poor quality photograph of the hostages arriving in Israel being escorted by Israeli personnel, claiming this is evidence of US troops. IDF released better quality photos. The guy centered in the frame just has box magazine pouches attached to the front of his plate carrier. Israeli special forces units like most countries have better gear than their average troops
https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC080620249563402
Video from Oct 7th of IDF SF retaking an IDF base.
https://x.com/IDF/status/1712579906423431208

[jovial flame]

also here in tm https://t.me/me_observer_TG/229776 (i think they are hezbollah realted)

[true snow]

https://x.com/celinecelines/status/1799484722076140031

Céline Semaan (@celinecelines) on X

Cannot stop shaking — @theslowfactory

Twitter · Jun 8, 2024, 4:52 PM

[true snow]

https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1799447429206708244

Warfare Analysis (@warfareanalysis) on X

What happened in Al-Nuseirat?

• An American force used an aid truck. The aid truck came from the American pier to Al-Nuseirat camp... (video and photo of truck)

• A clash erupted with the American force once it was discovered.

• Airstrikes were conducted on the Al-Nuseirat

Twitter · Jun 8, 2024, 2:24 PM

[austere jolt]

here because of assertions of foreign forces narrative https://fixupx.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1799503174933372999

[gray locust]

Great collection of links for those in different timezones, thanks

[wary jewel]

A few stills of the box truck. Looks more like just a commercial box truck, with the aid trucks I've seen being flatbeds. But I haven't followed the aid distribution super closely or know much about the internal logistics in Gaza, so I could easily see them using any truck they can find to distribute aid.

[true snow]

https://x.com/ItsAyaHijazi/status/1799589310267580513

Aya Hijazi آية حجازي 🇵🇸🔻 (@ItsAyaHijazi) on X

And the cost was 210 Palestinians lives.

Twitter · Jun 8, 2024, 11:48 PM

[jovial flame]

looks like a "Pril" logo, wich is a dishwasher soap - "the Pril brand name is now a choice in many countries such as Germany, Austria, Turkey, Egypt, Algeria"
https://www.henkel.com/our-businesses/pril-27222

[gray locust]

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1799715089936761144?t=Ic3Da0djOIwn3thd0TrG-w&s=19

OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) on X

One of the Israeli Hostages that was Rescued yesterday during the Joint-Operation in Central Gaza, 26-Year-Old Noa Argamani was being held Captive in the Home of Abdallah Aljamal, a Photojournalist and Writer/Editor for both Al-Jazeera and the Palestinian Chronicle. During the

Twitter · Jun 9, 2024, 8:08 AM

I completely missed that last sentence

[timber pelican]

The claim is originating from this tweet from Dr. Abdu / EuroMed HR. He notes how an IDF raid happened at this family's apartment yesterday. But he doesn't specify if the hostage(s) was/were there. The official Israel account is claiming so.
https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1799510802778481117
https://x.com/Israel/status/1799783366537216292

Ramy Abdu| رامي عبده (@RamAbdu) on X

In an initial testimony documenting the killings committed by the Israeli army in the Nuseirat camp today, the @EuroMedHR reported that the Israeli army used a ladder to enter the home of Dr. Ahmed Al-Jamal. The army immediately executed 36-year-old Fatima Al-Jamal upon

Twitter · Jun 8, 2024, 6:36 PM

Israel ישראל (@Israel) on X

Al Jazeera journalist by day, kidnapper by night.

According to sources in Gaza, Abdullah Al Jamal who also previously served as the spokesperson of the Hamas Ministry of Labor held Noa Argamani hostage in his home.

Twitter · Jun 9, 2024, 12:39 PM

[woven lantern]

Pretty sure this is Disinfo, as I'm not seeing it reported anywhere else.

Edit: Had to reread the tweet to confirm that it's 100% Disnfo.

https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1799816065314345296

Note, had to do a bit more digging to find where this claim was coming from.

https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1799814680942375136

Lowkey (@Lowkey0nline) on X

The US-Israeli operation in Nuseirat Refugee Camp yesterday killed three Israeli captives, including one with US citizenship.

Twitter · Jun 9, 2024, 2:49 PM

MenchOsint (@MenchOsint) on X

🚨 BREAKING

Al Qassam Brigades in a message to the Hostages families:

"Your army killed 3 prisoners in the Nuseirat camp, one of whom holds American citizenship"

Twitter · Jun 9, 2024, 2:43 PM

[carmine fern]

I'm not sure the truck is a good indicator of anything. I think the trucks we track and see videos of are the bigger ones delivering from the caches outside the crossings to warehouses. They are rarely marked/branded. I would expect distribution from warehouses to consumers like bakeries and local kitchens to be done by smaller commercial trucks, and I don't expect any special markings or branding. My assessment: They use what they have, and don't care about branding.

[wary jewel]

Yeah I agree with you

[willow lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPiukn1ABjA

[queen marsh]

Important to add that their claim he is an "Al Jazeera journalist" is completely false and denied by AJ. He was the editor at the Palestinian Al-An news site. It appears that his images or footage were credited by Al Jazeera in the past. Times of Israel and Jerusalem Post have labeled him an "Al Jazeera employee" as well.

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/AlJazeera/status/1799917922158063641

Al Jazeera PR (@AlJazeera) on X

The X account of the Israeli Ministry of Defense, and some Israeli websites, quoted the name of a Palestinian journalist from Gaza called Abdullah Al-Jamal and claimed that he works with #AlJazeera, and that his name was linked to what happened in the Israeli army's liberation of

Twitter · Jun 9, 2024, 9:34 PM

[gaunt marsh]

Putting this here because statements on all sides of this are sketchy - it's a rebuttal (from Euromed) about the stories of the Al Jazeera journalist. Al-Jazeera rejected this (above), this thread gives a bit more info on how there's no evidence any hostages were in his apartment.
https://vxtwitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1799836954428674176

This thread claims he lived on the first floor (where Noa Argamani was being held) and the other three hostages were on the third floor of another building. Initial statements from Israel said Noa was being held by Abdallah Aljamal (first floor) - but they corrected that and said he was with the three other hostages (on the third floor). Hard to unwind.

[queen marsh]

We'd have to hear it from the captives - if they could identify who had them and where.
It's possible that a false narrative took off which absolves IDF of killing the building's residents and implicates Israel's foe, Al Jazeera, and the IDF chose to lend this narrative credibility.

[gray locust]

Maybe it would be useful to collect all the disinfo chronological. This story change isn't over.

[queen marsh]

Looks like the misperception that there were US troops involved has spread in Gaza as well, the following video is a survivor who claims they were American special forces. When asked how he knew he says "they just looked like it." No further evidence has emerged that they were.
https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1800075259359707511

Ramy Abdu| رامي عبده (@RamAbdu) on X

🚨"Biden's @POTUS army killed my brother, These were American special forces." A boy from Matar family recounts the harrowing details of his child brother's execution by special forces, who stormed their home during the Nuseirat camp massacre the day before yesterday.

Twitter · Jun 10, 2024, 7:59 AM

[gray locust]

Another disinfo of a known BS spreader https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1799606281814384735?t=eboj-3E4L-jqMJ39IZhWbQ&s=19

Warfare Analysis (@warfareanalysis) on X

So you say she is a civilian ?

Twitter · Jun 9, 2024, 12:55 AM

[austere jolt]

https://fixupx.com/prem_thakker/status/1800894646073409621

[austere jolt]

im putting this here cos im not sure of tweet author's reputation:

https://fixupx.com/KhaledYousry22/status/1801383724753260619

[gray locust]

It's correct, Manibog blogged on his LinkedIn

[lime prawn]

Just adding a link to the post in case others are wondering. Thanks Aeryn! https://www.linkedin.com/posts/bmmanibog_its-easy-to-watch-events-on-our-devices-activity-7192185138343034880-VRJ-

[gaunt tangle]

from his comments in the post

[queen marsh]

Whatever happened to the claim that 3 hostages (one an American citizen) were killed in the Nuseirat massacre?

[wary jewel]

No evidence ever got posted to support the claim

[queen marsh]

Guess who decided to give their two cents https://x.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1802349032024555815

Dr Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) on X

https://t.co/8KhsVQpwZ6

Famine in Gaza?
Well, maybe not.

Turns out it was a lie
How shocking

(Iran, Iran, Iran, Iran--and, of course, the useful idiots they manipulate)

Twitter · Jun 16, 2024, 2:34 PM

[true snow]

https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/documents/IPC_Famine_Review_Committee_Report_FEWS_NET_Gaza_4June2024.pdf <- report the tweet links to

[gray locust]

This guy is so lost

[gaunt tangle]

https://x.com/fentpressed/status/1802416788698763616?s=46&t=t0cnGSY3MZZcxBc9IvBOTQ

Weird one - apparently this photo reportedly triggers a community note due to spam

dip (@fentpressed) on X

Elon musk is not a pedophile

Twitter · Jun 16, 2024, 7:03 PM

[knotty tundra]

Not due to spam, due to previously being used as disinfo.

[wary jewel]

He had John Spencer ("World's leading expert on urban warfare") on his show about a week ago, who has said in other appearances that there's no famine due to X tons of aid being delivered without stating a number for required aid. Wouldn't surprise me if he got it from him.

[gray locust]

Bittermann also did a thread about it claiming there's no famine.

[queen marsh]

(Follow-up to last post) https://x.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1802840606768599131?t=YARPEjykJoUSyVQBsdxePw&s=19

Jeremy Konyndyk (@JeremyKonyndyk) on X

Just back from a Gaza-focused trip to Egypt/Jordan/Israel.

Key takeaways 🧵:

• Aid push in March/April made progress against famine
• Rafah offensive then wiped out much of that progress
• Huge obstacles remain on access & last-mile distro
• Little progress on aid worker safety

Twitter · Jun 17, 2024, 11:07 PM

[gaunt marsh]

Looks like there's an effort to get the "there's no famine in Gaza" claim from Bittermann boosted into more legitimate venues: https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/the-famine-has-been-canceled/

[austere jolt]

more of an upcoming propaganda event https://fixupx.com/guyelster/status/1803817376846065710

[austere jolt]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/24/israel-fund-us-university-protest-gaza-antisemitism?

[gray locust]

Debunking this guy with an article would be nice https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1807390880635953657?t=J2DuKbxjh9FpmOqTULYm8Q&s=19

Sulaiman Ahmed (@ShaykhSulaiman) on X

ISRAEL DID 9/11

Twitter · Jun 30, 2024, 12:29 PM

[austere jolt]

https://fxtwitter.com/cholent_lover/status/1807509505057673363

[queen marsh]

Playing an endless game of whack-a-mole with that guy

[austere jolt]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/03/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas/the-un-says-4-out-of-5-gazans-are-displaced-and-other-news

https://bsky.app/profile/nytdiff.bsky.social/post/3kwfxk3qevq2u

[sonic hearth]

The "and other news" makes it sound like it's a live thread or regularly updated piece where newer stuff is just added to the top

Yeah it's in here https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/03/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas/israel-releases-palestinian-authority-funds-while-claiming-more-west-bank-land?smid=url-share

[gaunt tangle]

https://x.com/hamzattar/status/1812457535003107442

https://x.com/Nassreddin2002/status/1812529153201099019

i think this might qualify as a kind of dogwhistle - hamas style banners but with the text replaced with "i love chocolate milk"

Hamzé Attar (@hamzattar) on X

It says, " I love chocolate Milk", you genius. Apparently, anything written in Arabic terrifies you.
BTW, you have just made these patches famous; I just ordered two. Thanks for the free marketing.

Twitter · Jul 14, 2024, 12:02 PM

Nassreddin | نصر الدين (@Nassreddin2002) on X

Dear @DrewPavlou,

You don't speak Arabic. So don't pretend you do.

This banner says:
أحب حليب الشوكولاتة

Which means:
I love chocolate milk

Since when is "I love chocolate milk" Hamas merchandise????

Twitter · Jul 14, 2024, 4:46 PM

[knotty tundra]

A dogwhistle would be something not immediately recognisable as pro-Hamas unless you’re ‘in the know’.

This appears to be more like a troll or a protest.

[gray locust]

Better spoiler it.Talhagin already tweeted about it, it's very susp

[knotty tundra]

@elfin token please check rule 2 before posting.

[gray locust]

https://x.com/talhagin/status/1815787129718403576

Tal Hagin (@talhagin) on X

The earliest publication of the video was by @endzionism24, an account created in February 2024.
This account has several oddities that make it suspicious:

Twitter · Jul 23, 2024, 4:32 PM

[soft ibex]

This started out as an internet meme by this user

https://fxtwitter.com/aldanmarki/status/1723727884408222107?s=46&t=EICw3-cxS0FC4Q45ICLtWQ

https://fxtwitter.com/aldanmarki/status/1723967445390524561?s=46&t=EICw3-cxS0FC4Q45ICLtWQ

[austere jolt]

Putting it here as it's unconfirmed but Yasher Ali is somewhat prominent https://www.thereset.news/p/breaking-hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh

[gray locust]

Big, if true.

[austere jolt]

im hearing more individuals claiming in #israel-palestine

[static pagoda]

https://x.com/OopsGuess/status/1818957749331304529 #israel-palestine message IDF confirms today though, or finally ...

𝘊𝘰𝘳𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘦 (@OopsGuess) on X

@IDF NOTE: This is the sixth time the lying and deceitful Israeli government claims to have targeted and killed the SAME hamas leader after a mass casualty attack ‼️

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 10:31 AM

[static pagoda]

note: Obviously, in previous attacks, Israel didn't say they had wiped him out, but this time it was officially declared that they had wiped him out. @Sumerian0

[static pagoda]

https://x.com/AuroraIntel/status/1819114203317162120 Iranian sources just shared this photo and quoted:
"Netanyahu's surveillance in Tel Aviv by Iran"

Aurora Intel (@AuroraIntel) on X

That’s not even Tel Aviv….

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 8:53 PM

[edgy spruce]

https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/over-550000-israelis-flee-country-amid-gaza-war-data-shows-18176225 I can't find any source for this claim (variously attributed to Times of Israel or Zman), at least not in their English online versions. Anyone with strong Hewbrew google-fu? The fact that I', only finding Turkish sources makes me skeptical.

[gray locust]

does this help you? i know that the number is flying around since a while but never took it serious.

https://x.com/MarkZlochin/status/1745782468966293633

Mark Zlochin - מארק זלוצ'ין༝ (@MarkZlochin) on X

¹ הכתבה הזאת של "זמן ישראל", עם טענה שכ-470,000 ישראלים עזבו את הארץ מאז פרוץ המלחמה, הודהדה בשמחה רבה על ידי אינספור כלי תקשורת וצייצנים אנטי-ישראלים.

על פניו אכן מדובר בנתון לא מעודד במיוחד, אבל אם קוראים את הכתבה לעומק, עולות לא מעט שאלות לגבי הנתונים עליהם היא מתבססת.>>>

Twitter · Jan 12, 2024, 12:19 PM

[edgy spruce]

Thank you! Seems to be an effect of both a new way to count and a seasonal change. Jury’s out until the year is over, but the number is impossibly high. Tough with Israel since such a high proportion are dual citizens.

[austere jolt]

https://fixupx.com/semafor/status/1820250575310581978?s=46&t=hrjt8iwxulE5iC_E3yIw8A
https://archive.ph/1Xxms

[unborn needle]

What's the current consensus on the video of the Israeli soldiers violently SA the Palestinian prisoners. The video is all over X

[knotty tundra]

Please note that any discussion should take place in #gender-based-violence-misogyny
Help on how to discuss it is provided there.

[pastel apex]

Hi -- I deleted this question because of what Subtle just posted above. Please re-post it in the appropriate channel, which is #gender-based-violence-misogyny

[wary jewel]

Claim that R9X "ninja" missiles were used. There's been no evidence any munitions except small diameter bombs were used
https://x.com/anthonyzenkus/status/1824532247136923776?t=_bNRNSJLnidMx8g2liMelA&s=19

Prof Zenkus (@anthonyzenkus) on X

The missiles Israel used to slaughter over 100 people in a school earlier this week were Hellfire "Ninja" missiles, which deploy 6 sharp blades - shredding their targets to bits. Which is why Palestinian fathers and mothers had to pick up pieces of flesh and bloody bones and

Twitter · Aug 16, 2024, 7:42 PM

[gaunt tangle]

I find it interesting how there's a new theory that the blades from the R9X are designed to increase casualties now

Same theory I think first came out when an illumination round fell on Al-Shifa

https://x.com/trtworld/status/1722959564671156331

TRT World (@trtworld) on X

A US-made R9X Hellfire missile was reportedly dropped on the courtyard of Gaza’s biggest hospital, Al Shifa, where displaced Palestinians and journalists sought refuge. Here are few things to know about the deadly weapon

Twitter · Nov 10, 2023, 12:49 PM

[wary jewel]

Yeah I think it's just a lack of understanding of what explosives do, so that they think the blades are the only thing capable of causing the injuries seen.

[hollow night]

Interesting thread about that recent news story of twins that were supposedly killed in an airstrike just days after birth: https://x.com/OurielOhayon/status/1823609834266099878

Ouriel 🇮🇱 (@OurielOhayon) on X

🚨 Let's discuss the "big" story the media is obscenely sharing this past 24h. By now, X is inundated with the headline but few facts.

I have things to say and questions to ask.

The story is that "Israel killed two three-day old twins". This is how the story is presented and

Twitter · Aug 14, 2024, 6:37 AM

[sonic hearth]

this thread is not great - questioning how people respond to trauma, questioning if a mom is on facebook after babies are born?

do you have anything less gross?

omg he quotes Elders of Ziyon on his account

[pastel apex]

Ya that dudes day job is carrying water for the IDF and creating noise

Not surprised he's involved in somenthing so disgusting like this

"I will say upfront: the death of any innocent civilian and, in particular, children is tragic. No matter which side" is basically "I'm not racist, but"

[sonic hearth]

twitter poster is engaging in JAQassery hard

[wary jewel]

Very poor thread tbh. He's saying:
"1. the visuals used by CNN are curiously similar to an operation targeting a senior terrorist of the PIJ...a year ago. Also if you are "displaced" what would you be doing in a building?"
I don't know if he's trying to suggest it's recycled visuals, when it's not? If he's not suggesting this it seems like he might be suggesting it's similar to previous Israel strikes, when he later claims it's likely a Hamas rocket. Also displaced people commonly rent houses/apartments. The IDF special forces involved in the Nuseirat operation rented apartments to stay in while gaining intelligence before the operation. He's either ignorant or conveniently ignoring well known factors of current life in Gaza.

There's also been clear Israeli airstrikes that Israel denied, such as the drone strike in April in Al Maghazi that killed about 16, most of them children.
https://x.com/OurielOhayon/status/1823735985722511737?t=XAViN6F3MGO2653IyvNLGw&s=19

Ouriel 🇮🇱 (@OurielOhayon) on X

Some other elements have come to light since this publication was made. Great OSINT

1. the visuals used by CNN are curiously similar to an operation targeting a senior terrorist of the PIJ...a year ago. Also if you are "displaced" what would you be doing in a building?

2. If

Twitter · Aug 14, 2024, 2:58 PM

[sick lion]

This is especially confusing for me, why would an Israeli quote a document created to fuel anti-semitism?

[sonic hearth]

The account named Elders of Ziyon is, frankly, not OK. I think they attacked bellingcat multiple times a day for a while. There is no evidence that could convince them the Israeli government has ever done anything wrong.

[pastel apex]

Yeah Elder spent way too long emailing us and harassing us on Twitter after we published the Shireen Abu Akleh investigation

I'm very sure he's part of disinfo ecosystem that's set up to create lots of noise at the bottom level where he'd at, with the goal of filtering some of that to higher levels (like legit media or govt people)

Elder spent weeks publishing "takedowns" of our investigation where he'd "prove" that the IDF couldn't possibly have killed Shireen

Fast forward a year later and the IDF admits it was them

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/05/11/middleeast/idf-apology-shireen-abu-akleh-intl

So yeah, that's Elder. Their full time job is attacking anyone who is even a little bit critical of the IDF and bending over backwards to try to prove the IDF didn't commit this or that atrocity

[austere jolt]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/17/israel-foreign-agent-law-leaked-documents

[sonic hearth]

Reasonable to believe the account is also getting paid while being disgusting too

[austere jolt]

https://time.com/7010486/fact-checking-what-benjamin-netanyahu-said-in-his-2024-interview-with-time/

[austere jolt]

https://fixupx.com/judywoodruff/status/1826330987359273176

[queen marsh]

Israel's PR war against the UNRWA:
https://www.wired.com/story/israel-unrwa-usa-hamas-google-search-ads/
https://x.com/UNLazzarini/status/1829791206865346867

Philippe Lazzarini (@UNLazzarini) on X

The spread of misinformation & disinformation continues to be used as a weapon in the war in #Gaza.

As part of its campaign to undermine & discredit @UNRWA, the Government of Israel has been buying ads on @Google to block users from giving donations to the Agency + undertake a

Twitter · Aug 31, 2024, 7:59 AM

[austere jolt]

https://jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-817079

[austere jolt]

https://fixupx.com/EvanDyerCBC/status/1831128413693690038?
https://fixupx.com/EvanDyerCBC/status/1831128415795061127?

[austere jolt]

Statement issued by them for this episode of their podcast (long post).
https://fixupx.com/2NiceJewishBoys/status/1831646252489900327

[soft ibex]

They tried to put the episode into contect, but the context seems to be exactly what was initially understood

[austere jolt]

https://fixupx.com/broseph_stalin/status/1832195606976119124

[unique night]

Has anyone reported an accurate translation of what the writing on the shroud is or its context?

[queen marsh]

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/b1npigi3a?utm_source=ynet.co.il&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=copy_url

IDF investigators: Forged Hamas documents were leaked to foreign media to shape public opinion in Israel

[old fiber]

https://x.com/Resist_05/status/1832642936145662265

Pelham (@Resist_05) on X

BOMBSHELL: Leaked footage from Israeli Airforce proves it was the IDF that took out its own citizens with Apache Helicopters on October 7 at the Nova music festival….

Israel has now admitted 28 Apache helicopters discharged their ammunition and had to be reloaded…🚨🚨🚨

Twitter · Sep 8, 2024, 4:51 AM

[tepid heart]

Somewhat interesting crossover going on with this account, scrolling down I see anti-vaccine and Bill Gates content as well as (community noted) misinformation about climate change and Western environmental regulations likely meant to amplify farmer protests.

[gray locust]

yes, obviously not well managed prop accout, postet the same video last year and got factchecked

[sick lion]

From the photo it's just standard muslim words, only one god, mohammed is his prophet, god is great. The longer sentence I'm not sure but it's probably just a hadith or a quote from the quran

Ah, it is a quran quote https://surahquran.com/aya-69-sora-29.html

[unique night]

The middle and bottom looks similar to the Palestinian Islamic Jihad emblem

https://www.fotw.info/flags/ps}jihad.html

[sick lion]

Oh yeah i haven't seen that emblem before. That's the same quran quote there.

[unique night]

Not ISIS, unless the top is ISIS, that one's been harder to search, but the emblem of a terrorist group not just a burial shroud either

[queen marsh]

The yellow text in the middle is the Islamic shahada, the text over the emblem on the bottom is Quran 29:69. It is the part of the PIJ logo, as below. I can't make out the very top text, but zero evidence it has to do with ISIS.

The shroud resembles this version of their flag:

[unique night]

Thanks! This is good info to know. As I'm able I'm going to keep trying to work on identifying the top piece. I've also learned that standard Muslim burial custom is plain white shrouds so all with writing should have some significance. Whether it turns out to be ISIS connected or not, or even terrorism related, I'm curious to know what it is

[queen marsh]

It's a waste of time to fact check conflations of PIJ/Hamas with ISIS, it's an overall baseless talking point that emerged early in the war and has never been substantiated. Actually now that I look closer the white text is just the typical white-over-black shahada flag.

Only difference is the لا

Here's a version with the لا

[unique night]

I'm not so much curious as to fact checking at this point. What I've already learned shows disinformation in both Lapid's claim and the response. Now I just want the whole for future reference

[queen marsh]

For future reference, the Shahada flag comes in both black and white (like the current flag of Taliban-ruled Afghanistan). The ISIS version is very distinct and rudimentary -looking:

[unique night]

Thanks, very helpful

[austere jolt]

https://www.972mag.com/jewish-chronicle-elon-perry-netanyahu-intelligence/

[left torrent]

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-819899

[left torrent]

This is big, like really big. Even Ritchie Torres had tweeted against Wikipedia.
https://x.com/WorldJewishCong/status/1836431780317942044
https://x.com/RitchieTorres/status/1836068546452877675

@astral rock Thanks for standing up for me when there were personal attacks after I shared anti-Wikipedia links or materials. It looks like we've been vindicated at last. #non-osint-discussion message

World Jewish Congress (@WorldJewishCong) on X

1/5 @Wikipedia has edited its definition of ‘Zionism,’ portraying a central part of Jewish history in a racist and inaccurate way.

Here’s what you need to know👇

Twitter · Sep 18, 2024, 3:47 PM

Ritchie Torres (@RitchieTorres) on X

Wikipedia caricatures Zionism as an “ethno-cultural nationalist movement” that sought the “colonization of a land outside of Europe.”

In Wikipedia’s warped telling of history, Israeli Jews from the Middle East and North Africa, as well as from Ethiopia, are European colonizers.

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 3:43 PM

[knotty tundra]

Thank you for posting these examples. I am very sorry that you were attacked. The Wikipedia articles cited are indeed all fine as far as I can see and certainly no reason to attack anyone over.

It seems to me these tweets are based on misunderstanding of the text and the method with which uit was created. The discussion over the definition and the sources are all clearly available on the Talk-page so anyone can go back and read that.

I would call on anyone who experiences this or sees such a thing happening in this server to DM @fervent palm

[queen marsh]

This was going to end up an issue due to the way in which the Rohingya genocide - which is at a similar stage of litigation at the ICJ - was discussed.

[turbid hollow]

A curious observation, this photo of a tunnel in Rafah had been edited [confirmed that it is so in a press release PDF (gov.il site) ||https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/news/event-press040924/en/ENG_english060924.pdf||]

https://fixupx.com/intel_jakal/status/1820107717861876142

[left torrent]

I've been closely following the happenings at Wikipedia for some time. Among the most horrible I've learned are the credible rumors that Wikipedia's administrators misused their powers to harass women, one of which happened in the Netherlands against MoiraMoira a decade back.

[knotty tundra]

I get the feeling we’re talking about different things here. You posted a couple of tweets of people misunderstanding a Wikipedia article and trying to pass the legitimate change in a definition off as something other than it is. Which was a good contribution to this thread.

But can you explain how an old rumour about harrassment of a Wikipedia moderator is relevant to that?

[left torrent]

They all point to one thing that Wikipedia is not as "perfect" as it seems and we have to stop blindly trusting Wikipedia at all.

[knotty tundra]

Let's end this discussion here.

If you have a provable point about disinformation with regard to the Israel-Palestine conflict, you are still free to post it in this thread. If you have similarly provable points about disinformation in another field, you may post it in #disinfo-and-propaganda .

Do not post rumours, feelings or suspicions. There is a whole wide internet out there filled with those, keep this little corner of it factual, please.

[willow lynx]

The „everything is a bomb“ narrative about the explosions in Lebanon might have been - overblown.
https://x.com/talhagin/status/1836910638762713480

Tal Hagin (@talhagin) on X

The 2 recent waves of electronic devices exploding in Lebanon led to many reports that "cellphones", "laptops", "solar panels" and various other devices were also detonating throughout Lebanon.

Per my own review - No devices, besides pagers and walkie-talkies exploded.

A🧵

Twitter · Sep 19, 2024, 11:29 PM

[austere jolt]

Worth noting mossad may promote the embellished stories as part of a broader propaganda campaign too

[queen marsh]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/18/explosions-linked-to-walkie-talkies-deaths-lebanon

Initial reports (like this from the Guardian) mentioned this ambiguity. Seems like media reports from the chaotic situation on the ground and mistaken reports from social media mixed it up:
https://misbar.com/en/factcheck/2024/09/19/this-image-does-not-depict-the-explosion-of-solar-panels-in-lebanon

[gray locust]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-hezbollah-devices-were-detonated-individually-with-precise-intel-on-targets/

Mods maybe can change the 2023 in the channel description?

[knotty tundra]

Disinfo - Israel - Palestine 2023-

[hollow night]

The new post title cuts off after 2023- , at least for me on the mobile app. Maybe change the last character to a plus sign if there is a hard limit ob title length.

[knotty tundra]

Disinfo - Israel - Palestine 2023-?

[gray locust]

old video https://x.com/richimedhurst/status/1838028205518643596

Richard Medhurst (@richimedhurst) on X

"My olives, my olives"

Israelis uprooting olive trees with chainsaws and bulldozers.

Only a colonizer with no attachment to the land could be so cruel.

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 1:30 AM

[sick lion]

https://fxtwitter.com/lebanosnews/status/1838203313214349408/en potentially AI generated photo (see #1287747305050472560 )

[pastel apex]

Is the writing on the ambulance actually Arabic?

[sick lion]

Yes, it says civil defense but the "defence" or "الدفاع" over the light seems to be at a strange angle

[true snow]

The vehicle and details look too accurate to be AI generated. Could be a composite if it's indeed not genuine.

[sick lion]

Tbh that should have clued me in

[sick lion]

Yeah, good old fashioned photoshop even

https://www.aljadeed.tv/uploadImages/DocumentImages/Doc-P-467580-638347785001920819.jpg apparently some lebanese ambulences can look like that

[sick lion]

was hoping the multicolored electricity pylons in the background would help me geolocate it but no street view in Sohmor

should I delete this from here since it was confirmed an ambulance was hit?

[knotty tundra]

I don’t think so. We can all follow the process.

[hollow night]

Probably not this one though as it does really not look like it was hit by an airstrike. The missing windows and the molten mirror are the only visibly damaged parts, otherwise, the vehicle seems to be completely untouched. That does not fit to any aerial munition Israel uses but fits well to a fire that started from the inside. An ambulance is full of very flammable items like disinfectants and paper and plastic packaging, so it does not take much to start a runaway reaction.
The picture is probably just misattributed.

As an aside , I find it a bit strange, that the ambulance doesn't have a license plate but I don't know how common that is in lebanon.

[sick lion]

Odd for an official vehicle but i found this from last year

https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1340775/cars-with-no-licence-plates-a-rising-and-dangerous-phenomenon.html

If it was an internal fire, why would the wheel be on fire too?

No results from tineye or google

[hollow night]

side mirror caught fire, melted and dripped down on the wheel. The rest of the fire on the road is also only around the circumference of the vehicle, so presumably more burning stuff dripping down. Ambulances often have lights, sirens, cooling units and more on the roof, which for weight reasons will be encased in plastic.

[sick lion]

Ah, that makes sense

[queen marsh]

Jerusalem Post, as repulsive as ever, refers to "Lebanon's Hezbollah-run Health Ministry", a rather brazenly false characterization that I've not seen any other press organization make:
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-821134

[scarlet orbit]

Hi, just a reminder that phrases such as "as repulsive as ever" add little to the facts of the discussion, so it would be preferable to refrain from using them.

[austere jolt]

More American media but it involves MDM and I/P so putting it here https://defector.com/the-truth-is-an-inconvenience-for-jake-tapper-and-dana-bash

[gaunt tangle]

https://twitter.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1839710538852405596?t=wa-kWgSf495tlQWH_S-quQ&s=19 likely disinfo narrative - location looks more like a hotel room and Cradle Media seems like far from trustworthy

The Cradle (@TheCradleMedia) on X

BREAKING | Netanyahu gave the orders to wipe out an entire neighborhood in southern Beirut from the UN headquarters in New York.

Twitter · Sep 27, 2024, 4:55 PM

[south jungle]

Do we know the recency and context of this video? (keeping in mind this account is flagged for misinformation)
https://fxtwitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1839797946155442569

[woven lantern]

Don't know the original source, but came across this possible AI generated video on Twitter/X.

https://fixupx.com/HayaTamimi23/status/1839653805794664688

[pastel apex]

What makes you say it's obviously AI?

People are speaking Spanish and the writing on the signs is Spanish

It's not AI

It's never an AI video. It's always a recycled video from a previous event

[sonic hearth]

One way to investigate the source of a video is to take a screenshot of the first frame and Google image search it. Here are results

It's been going around since 2023

You can then further investigate

https://youtu.be/-fnU_sOTMfg?si=4d6A8ii5f3i5MY-S

And now we have done an OSINT

[queen marsh]

Are there guidelines for evaluating the claims of belligerents about objects, literature or content found during military incursions or raids of enemy bases and positions? During the Gaza war, a great source of ambiguity, disinformation and speculation were videos and images published by the IDF alongside allegations which were impossible to independently verify. Many were discussed in this channel.

[pastel apex]

I've never seen a guide on that specific topic, no

[ancient raptor]

Recently a video compilation was shared by multiple (large) accounts claiming the footage shows Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon. However, all the clips are from Gaza.
Disinfo: https://x.com/jcokechukwu/status/1840169805866831934
Verification thread: https://x.com/talhagin/status/1840479969463697416
Geolocation thread: https://x.com/NemoAnno/status/1840867614261690494

J. C. Okechukwu (@jcokechukwu) on X

VIEWER DISCRETION: Moments of arrival for all the bunker-busting bombs that ended the lives of Nasrallah and Hezbollah’s leadership in their fortified underground bases.

Unbelievable.

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 11:20 PM

Tal Hagin (@talhagin) on X

We have now gotten to the point where footage of IDF airstrikes in Gaza are falsely used to depict events elsewhere.

Every single video showcased here is from Gaza. How do I know? I checked them all.
A Verification 🧵

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 7:53 PM

Anno Nemo (@NemoAnno) on X

🧵Building on great research by @talhagin, I'll compile the geolocations for all but 2 of the clips in this thread. Where possible, I've also tried to pinpoint the date.

All the geolocated clips are in Gaza.
1/
https://t.co/4CMrVqPpQU

Twitter · Sep 30, 2024, 9:33 PM

[sly gale]

Depends what the specific objective of your assessment is ("evaluation" here in formal use means something a lil different)? Are you looking to indicate potential truthfulness/deceptiveness in any given claim?
SCAME exists but won't necessarily tell you if that piece of content is false, moreso who it's targeting, underlying messages, etc.

[queen marsh]

More like if there are any journalistic documents or guides that deal with this issue

[sly gale]

Not really unfortunately, there's er. In the broader scheme of whatever activity that may be intentionally conducted under, there's not really anything specific you can do for just that. They'd be tools for the broader activity (eg SCAME and MARCO which are used for content analysis)

We've seen attempts at that with Russia doing similar things but at the most it creates inaccurate understandings about how secondary items may be used within a product - or how often that is a thing. Eg for example with Russia you can find tiny write ups that basically conclude if you see an out of place book it must be fake Russian propaganda - no sort of assessment or analysis conducted. This may be true in a lot of cases but just doing that is horrid research or analysis, you'll inevitably make false IDs also.

That's why I offer SCAME and also somewhat MARCO here. Since you somewhat recognized in the initial post, it's near impossible to individually assess that specific with the objects with just the content.

We can use formal content analysis techniques like the above though to understand the content, the objective the author has, and etc. The output from this gives you the for-use output that say journalists methods also seek, you just may miss out on being able to patently tag it as MDM (which could present as a specific-issue example anyways with verification as you mentioned). It would do a better job at telling you what the intent of it would be though, whether or not it contains MDM - that as an aside the other methods also tend to not do very refinedly.

[queen marsh]

Thanks for your analysis. It is a very contingent thing I guess.

[queen marsh]

So there's a post going around social media of the IDF head of Arabic media, Avichay Adree, making a sectarian appeal to Sunni Arabs to reject Shi'ism as being unislamic and dangerous. People are having a big laugh about it, as he sounds like a fundamentalist cleric, but I can't find the source for the video and not sure if its AI or genuine: https://x.com/om__nora44/status/1841567756338286973

X

Twitter · Oct 2, 2024, 7:55 PM

[gray locust]

thats weird blurred

[wraith kite]

It's real. It's from 2018 originally

https://x.com/mhusain313/status/1005141921923260422?t=h6l1n4JtjB1CRkmJZlKdeQ&s=19

Mohammed Husain J. (@mhusain313) on X

Translated to English:
@AvichayAdraee, head of the Arab media division of the IDF Spokesperson's Unit releases a 4 minute video filled with anti-Shi’a and anti-Iran rhetoric. He uses quotes from Ibn Taymiya and Ibn Abdul Wahhab to warn Sunni Arabs of Shi’as and Iran.
(1)

Twitter · Jun 8, 2018, 5:38 PM

[queen marsh]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/5/failing-gaza-pro-israel-bias-uncovered-behind-the-lens-of-western-media

[gaunt tangle]

https://x.com/talhagin/status/1842977030444601662

Tal Hagin (@talhagin) on X

In the past few days, you've probably come across the following account: @SMensch69/@supermensch69 who claimed to be a retired IDF Colonel, sharing supposed "major leaks" about IDF casualties in Southern Lebanon.

Are the leaks real? An OSINT review.
(Spoiler: They aren't)

Twitter · Oct 6, 2024, 5:15 PM

[true snow]

https://x.com/TamaraINassar/status/1843711486327435554 (to be clear the tweet itself is the disinfo)

Tamara Nassar (@TamaraINassar) on X

It's been established, indisputable fact for some time that Hamas was not responsible for all Israeli casualties on 7 October, and that Israel employed the Hannibal Directive against its own military and citizens, killing many if not most of them.

Why is @AOC lying about this?

Twitter · Oct 8, 2024, 5:54 PM

[gray locust]

this needs a community note, i saw differrent accounts posting about it

[sick lion]

I thought that Israel did employ the Hannibal directive? https://www.thecanary.co/global/world-analysis/2024/10/07/israel-hannibal-directive/?__s=oglzzjmxlj9iz8cydjx7

Or am i misunderstanding the disinfo bit, is it the "most of them" bit?

[turbid hollow]

As I understand it, it is "responsible" and "most of them".

Hamas and other groups that participated in the attack are responsible for those hostages killed by Israeli forces during the attack.
What part of responsibility for that killing is on Israeli forces - I have no idea [and I do not mean none].

"Most of them" - is unsupported [it may be so, but I think very unlikely].

[true snow]

Yeah it's the most of them claim.

There really should be a proper investigation (doubt that will ever happen), but the language seeks to muddy the waters by inviting doubt that Hamas and Co perpetrated the bulk... Quite a bit of evidence that they did at this point.

[sick lion]

Ty both for explaining. i have noticed there are some excellent reporters in Israel so fingers crossed that they manage to do a full investigation.

[scarlet orbit]

Note that Tamara Nassar works for Electronic Intifada. They are notorious for pushing disinfo related to the October 7 massacres.

[sick lion]

Do you mind providing evidence for that?

[strong forum]

Yes, I'm trying to remind myself about EI and what all they claimed. I mentally had them lumped with Grayzone due to Syria coverage, and so I discounted them after Oct 7. But IIRC most of EI's claims at the start were about the Hannibal Directive -- and now it seems they may be vindicated on that issue. What stories did they push that were later debunked?

[strong forum]

I searched here and previous discussion of EI was re: the tank firing on a house in Be'eri -- which was confirmed.
(Also yikes unexpectedly traumatic to look back at old topics/discussions.)

[austere jolt]

https://fixupx.com/airwars/status/1843880524206748106
https://idf-tweets-gaza.airwars.org/

[scarlet orbit]

Sure. If you take a look at their reporting, you'll find that they keep trying to shift the blame on the IDF entirely while defending the actions of Hamas. Take this recent article as an example: https://electronicintifada.net/content/how-israel-killed-hundreds-its-own-people-7-october/49216

From what I've observed, they tend to use the strategy of first giving a credible source (for example the UN report) and then following that up with more extreme claims, giving the impression that the source backs most of the claims.

Another example is the way they represent the interviews with Yasmin Porat (one of the Be'eri survivors). It is clear that her statements are cherry-picked and do not represent her overall account. Compare for example this interview she gave to CNN: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dAUW_XftETg

The issue is not so much that their stories are entirely wrong, it's that they misrepresent and skew the facts to support their own position. They were also mentioned in a Washington Post article on this earlier this year.

https://archive.is/XExYR

Of course there's legitimate criticism to be had at the Israeli military/police response. But it is possible to do that without trying to deny the actions by Hamas and other militant groups that day.

[queen marsh]

I disagree that their focus on specific parts of Polat's statements- pertinent to the issue at of whether the Hannibal Directive played a hand in civilian deaths on Oct 7 - is "cherry picking."

[sick lion]

Thank you both, this is helpful context

[queen marsh]

I'd like to add that the Washington Post article that mentions them in all over the place. It seems to conflate their skepticism towards the IDF's troubled version of the events of Oct 7 with nebulous internet conspiracy theories (included Reddit comments) that the entire event was a false flag. I think there is an important difference here. EI is by no means impartial, but they were at the forefront of fact checking IDF claims that poisoned the information environment early in the war.

[turbid hollow]

Just a note - "186,000 Palestinians are likely to have been killed by Israel so far – almost 10 percent of Gaza’s population." from the Electronic Intifada article - is either intentional disinfo or misinterpretation of the Lancet article they are linking to.
186k is a conservative estimate [according to the article] of expected future total number of deaths related to this iteration of conflict if the direct killing ends now [2024-06-19?].

Here is a quote from it [https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext]:

Armed conflicts have indirect health implications beyond the direct harm from violence. Even if the conflict ends immediately, there will continue to be many indirect deaths in the coming months and years from causes such as reproductive, communicable, and non-communicable diseases. The total death toll is expected to be large given the intensity of this conflict; destroyed health-care infrastructure; severe shortages of food, water, and shelter; the population's inability to flee to safe places; and the loss of funding to UNRWA, one of the very few humanitarian organisations still active in the Gaza Strip.8

In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death9 to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza. Using the 2022 Gaza Strip population estimate of 2 375 259, this would translate to 7·9% of the total population in the Gaza Strip. A report from Feb 7, 2024, at the time when the direct death toll was 28 000, estimated that without a ceasefire there would be between 58 260 deaths (without an epidemic or escalation) and 85 750 deaths (if both occurred) by Aug 6, 2024.

[scarlet orbit]

That's exactly it. There is a huge difference between allegations of carelessness, friendly fire, and disregard for civilian safety and allegations of explicit and intentional targeting of civilians. The conflation only serves the purpose of shifting blame.

Yet they have intentionally misrepresented Porat as exclusively blaming the IDF for Israeli civilian deaths. Additionally, they misrepresented her statements about a subset of the militants in question wanting to negotiate with the entirety of them. Which is directly contradicted by the testimony they are referencing.

It doesn't have to be a black and white situation where the overall bias and journalistic misconduct invalidates other things they did. It does show that a healthy scepticism towards their routinely inflated claims is warranted, however. On the other hand, their other work should not be used to dismiss their questionable claims and practices.

There is a strong impulse in these kinds of heavily polarised conflicts to automatically distrust the other side and simultaneously apply very little scepticism towards your own side. That is something that should always be kept in mind with these topics, as it is a severe obstacle to objective investigatory efforts.

[sick lion]

Absolutely. I know that's definitely a weakness of mine in this conflict which is why i find this commentary very helpful.

[queen marsh]

Personally I do not actually see a "huge difference" between intentional targeting of civilians and the "Hannibal procedure" as described by Haaretz' reports on the matter. As for Polat, they linked to the full interview in their first ever article on her testimony (which was posted here.)
They have indeed extrapolated a high number of Israeli deaths from the Israeli response, even though the matter is still being investigated. But the issue is very sensitive within Israel, and the Netanyahu government did not allow the UN to fulfill its investigative mission.
There is very little symmetry in skepticism to be found in mainstream press on this issue. The IDF is still treated as an authoritative figure on this issue, despite the past year of clear atrocities and dissembly. My personal conclusion is that EI's position (that the IDF is responsible for a high number of Oct 7 civilian casualties) has less to do with "blame shifting" and more to do with their evaluation of the IDF's conduct and institutional behavior.

[gray locust]

If that's so we need their evidence and not a post that's so unclear. At this point I can't take it serious.

Weve seen enough videos of the massacre to know that there should be a good scepticism

[scarlet orbit]

The difference between intentional killings and accidental killing is very important in these kinds of situations. It's not always possible to conclusively establish intent, but intent still matters.

On a personal note, I'd appreciate it if you stopped trying to shift blame away from the perpetrators of the massacre.

It is distasteful.

[queen marsh]

I'd prefer to keep things impersonal. And I think I'll continue to suspend judgement on reports issued by nations on trial for genocide.

[scarlet orbit]

That's fine. But this kind of black and white thinking is not helpful for determining what actually happened. There is disinformation on both sides and your personal opinions on that disinformation do not stop it from being disinformation. Thanks.

[gray locust]

The hardest thing in the Disinfo here is to challenge yourself to question not only sources you dislike. For the whole picture we need the evidence. Whoever has it.

[turbid hollow]

When comparing the bias/disinfo/misinfo in reporting on 7/10 between Electronic Intifada and multiple main stream media, I'm not confident that EI would look worse for someone perfectly unbiased. [I am biased, so to me it does not look worse]

[gray locust]

https://x.com/CoreyWriting/status/1844492790715314382

Corey Walker (@CoreyWriting) on X

Israel's war in Gaza is arguably the cleanest urban war in history. They have kept civilian casualties low, dismantling Hamas and Hezbollah, and freeing Gaza and Lebanon from terrorists. In a sane world, Benjamin Netanyahu would receive the Nobel Peace Prize.

Twitter · Oct 10, 2024, 9:38 PM

[queen marsh]

It's interesting how even pro-Israel sources seem comfortable using the Palestinian Health Miniatry numbers from Gaza once the healthcare system collapsed and reliably accounting for dead rendered impossible. I have a feeling that for people like Walker, it will be treated as a more reliable figure than much higher professional estimates, and paired with claims that unaccounted for Palestinians in excess of the count must have all just gone to Egypt or something.

[gray locust]

Even this ixxxxknows it's missing a 1 . But he plays the game and I am tired of this fact checking needed accounts that cause harm

[fluid anchor]

just to be clear, this was reported in the hebrew israeli media not so long after the war started.

[strong forum]

Yes, I remember -- I think EI was even quoting Israeli media in their early stories?

[queen marsh]

They were mostly quoting smaller media venues and some obscure interviews done online with IDF personnel.

[winged pumice]

I've been seeing repeated mention on reddit that you can hear munitions going off in the Al-Aqsa videos. I've watched several videos of the attach and can't find what they're talking about. Is this in the disinformation category or were there secondary explosions consistent with munitions going off?

[soft ibex]

There are several smaller and larger explosions going off in the videos of the fire.
A couple things can point to the explosions being caused by something other than munitions. I think there are people here more knowledgeable than me that can point to those things.

[winged pumice]

thank you. I'll try to ask in the bombs and warmachines channel

[queen marsh]

Does anyone know what the heck is up with reddit's "worldnews" community? Disinformation running wild there. Check the comments on this NYT report https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1g3pu3i/israels_army_uses_palestinians_as_human_shields/

[gaunt tangle]

I think this post is just something abnormal in general - editorialized title, 0 upvotes, only 38 comments for a major story

Also fwiw - the major reddit news subreddits have been taken over by misinfo actors since 2016-ish

[queen marsh]

Do you have any reading on this? I was looking into it and found articles about manipulation by state actors going back years, mostly by Russia.

[gaunt tangle]

Not sure if there's much (r/activemeasures focuses mainly on Russia/CCP manipulation) - but the issue with reddit is that you're very reliant on mods to guarantee the quality

Mods are all volunteer and unpaid, so especially in large subreddits it leads to questionable policies (and they can take over subs)

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/volunteers-found-iran-s-propaganda-effort-reddit-their-warnings-were-n903486

There are a few scenarios regarding the Russo-Ukrainian war that's interesting:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ActiveMeasures/comments/wbwfeh/i_have_compiled_some_of_the_russian_propaganda/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ActiveMeasures/comments/titwwg/fyi_lrlourpresident_mod_of_subreddits_like/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ActiveMeasures/comments/tmwqt5/more_updates_on_lrlourpresident_user_is_back_kind/

(in this case a very prominent power user in pro-Sanders subreddits suddenly disappearing after the invasion and then returning with anti-US involvement content)

You also have stuff like these accounts which work as keyword bots - they basically pop in and spam comments in threads and then pop out without ever replying to anybody else

https://www.reddit.com/user/ArriolaAmy

[queen marsh]

Are mods of the biggest communities not paid staff? What's to stop mods from turning the big communities into extremist/radical ones?

[gaunt tangle]

Mods themselves don't get paid, it's all volunteer work. In theory a community can choose to pay you but it's not a required thing

Deep down there's no control beyond Reddit Admins (the actual paid mods hired by Reddit themselves) doing something, but even then it's not often (see ChapoTrapHouse, the_Donald). The in-joke is that a subreddit only gets banned if it gets negative media attention

[austere jolt]

Probably best here based on the answers from the interviewee

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/rationalizing-the-horrors-of-israels-war-in-gaza

[winged pumice]

it's every subreddit. I was on r/noncredible the other day and it was just a wave of unironic conspiracy theories about the UN. The Jewish community is finding a lot of common ground with the Q-anon crowd.

[turbid hollow]

r/worldpolitics apparently moved to r/anime_titties [CW: r/worldpolitics is NSFW]
This sounds weird, but at a surface glance it reflects the reality [just open their main pages]

From 4 years ago [edited the link to a better answer]:
https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/gfo102/what_is_going_on_with_rworldpolitics/fput5vd/

[soft ibex]

To add to that, a lot of subreddits are run by the same moderators so they tend to share similar biases.
I would in general stay away from Reddit when it comes to this conflict.

[winged pumice]

I disagree. It's a great place to visit if your goal is figuring out how specific subcultures and communities feel about the fighting. On that front there's nothing quite like it.

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/BCFinucane/status/1846233687416779172

Brian Finucane (@BCFinucane) on X

Apparently the reality that the IDF is shooting children in Gaza is now receiving the Sandy Hook treatment from certain commentators.

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 4:56 PM

[queen marsh]

More "x ray experts" here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1g3srrf/ny_times_editorial_signed_by_65_doctors_and/

[winged pumice]

check out all the totally real radiologists in the comment section. The jewish community is going full Q-anon to shield their view of Israel. And it's absolutely going to get worse.

[queen marsh]

I doubt that even most of the users are Jewish, the entire MAGA movement sounds identical to Ben Gvir when it comes to Israel. Recall Trump's "you have to take out their families" comments.

[winged pumice]

I thought so too at first. But if you check, it's the same attitude across every Jewish subreddit except those billing themselves as "anti-Zionists." Even explicitly leftwing Jewish spaces are 50/50 on the reporting. And when you check the post history of these users, it's consistent with them being Jewish. So this is absolutely not a MAGA moment

[pastel apex]

Guys, I'm really uncomfortable with where this convo is going. Assuming that you know the religion of people online is absurd

And if you think you've got a read on it I think you're deluding yourself and you need to check yourself

[true snow]

Yeah it's one thing to say "pro Israel" or "pro Zionist", but "Jewish" is a very broad brush to paint with. Even if the majority of Jewish folks in the world fall into the prior categories (and I have no idea if they do), their religion/ethnic affiliation isn't the defining characteristic wrt their partisan beliefs.

[unique night]

I'm going to take a risk and say something from a personal perspective here on this thread because I trust and respect Bellingcat

I am Jewish. I am not an anti-zionist but neither would I label myself Zionist because that label means so many very different things depending on who you're talking to. My views on the situation in Israel and Lebanon are very nuanced and sometimes even in conflict. Jews like me are not posting a lot on social media right now. Not on Reddit or Facebook or X or even Blue Sky or some of the other options. The extreme positions that you see in social media posts make it unsafe for those of us with a complicated view of the situation to post there, so if you're trying to figure out the Jewish position on something you aren't going to find it on social media because most of the Jewish Community I'm involved with is in various stages of nuanced conflict. We meet in small groups offline and talk amongst ourselves. The only place I've shared anything was in a private message to Giancarlo thanking him for the space to search for truth here. But I feel safe enough here to share this perspective I know from inside my own Jewish community in the United States. I hope it's helpful

[queen marsh]

I think people overestimate how much of social discourse happens on public / anonymous social media. My impression sifting through Reddit is that there are a lot of overlapping cliques of internet addicted liars who post there more than anyone else. And nerds.

[winged pumice]

I apologize for the assumptions I've made. I'm from New York, so it's never been hard for me to find Jewish people who describe themselves as Zionists. between that and the general temperature online I made very dumb assumptions.

[unique night]

Humility and honesty like this is why I feel safe here. I came to this server before October 7th to improve my geolocation skills but I'm so glad to have been here for the last year to process it all

[gray locust]

thanks for open up to us

[queen marsh]

Another Iraq invasion winner chimes in about the NYT piece. He has no medical expertise and makes quite a few bizarre assumptions. https://x.com/angertab/status/1845170296468172857

Matt Tardio (@angertab) on X

As a former Law Enforcement Officer, Ret. Special Forces Soldier (Green Beret) and Sniper, I feel confident in saying I know the effects of 5.56 NATO (M855).

Conclusion:
The NYT lied or failed to verify the information presented to them. This is based on the MV and BC of the

Twitter · Oct 12, 2024, 6:30 PM

[scarlet orbit]

Hi, please tone down the commentary. Phrases like "Iraq invasion winner" are not the kind of factual discourse we're looking for here.

[fluid anchor]

I think I remember hearing it for the first time on investigative tv program Uvda by Israeli channel 12. I'll try to send a link in another hour or so.

But channel 12 is one the major outlets over here...

[fluid anchor]

This article by the Times of Israel from December 2023 cites channel 12
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-officer-recounts-ordering-tank-fire-on-beeri-home-during-hostage-standoff-on-oct-7/

And this is a piece from Kan, Israel's version of PBS. Ish.

https://youtu.be/MBtDmnejMxQ?si=G2B72PQmK55i7d2Q

[fluid anchor]

I think you said everything perfectly here.

[wicked island]

AI-generated image of IDF soldiers being captured
https://vxtwitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1846875588986130704

the gun is the easiest sign to look for

[hollow ember]

The tweet seems to have been edited to add:

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/malsaafin/status/1847102186846654772
This is a complete media fabrication BTW

Mohammad Alsaafin (@malsaafin) on X

Yeah this nickname is not a real thing and first appeared in US newspapers less than a year ago. None of the writers who have used it have ever attributed it to anyone, and nobody in Gaza uses it (it sounds weird in Arabic too).

Twitter · Oct 18, 2024, 2:27 AM

[soft ibex]

A passport found in the group that was with Sinwar is allegedly from someone who fled to Egypt. Could use some verification on this.

https://x.com/gazanotice/status/1847045873353851186

Gaza Notifications (@gazanotice) on X

The Israeli army has revealed the name of Hani Zoroub, a former employee of UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees), whose passport was placed among Yahya Sinwar’s personal belongings. Investigations and verifications have shown that, contrary to

Twitter · Oct 17, 2024, 10:43 PM

[winged pumice]

does hamza20300 share how they came by this passport? Did the man it belong to email them?

[knotty tundra]

It expired in 2017 and was holepunched accordingly. People tend to carry their current passport, whereas any old ones are probably in a drawer of keepsakes.

[soft ibex]

The disinformation is that this is being spread as proof that UNRWA is infiltrated by Hamas

Always the same people spreading it though

https://twitter.com/ozraeliavi/status/1846985109851021641?s=46&t=EICw3-cxS0FC4Q45ICLtWQ

https://twitter.com/drelidavid/status/1846986432080228439?s=46&t=EICw3-cxS0FC4Q45ICLtWQ

Avi Yemini (@OzraeliAvi) on X

🚨REVEALED: Sinwar's bodyguard was a UNRWA teacher

DEFUND. THE. UN.

Twitter · Oct 17, 2024, 6:42 PM

Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) on X

🚨 Breaking: Sinwar's bodyguard was an “UNRWA 🇺🇳 Teacher”

Twitter · Oct 17, 2024, 6:47 PM

[knotty tundra]

His wife did.

[knotty tundra]

Ah okay. Didn't think about that because some random person's 7-year expired passport proves nothing without more context. Edit: by which I mean proof.

[strong forum]

I was curious about this "butcher of Khan Younis" thing and yesterday searched Google News for the phrase in Arabic, and all the recent sources are associated with Israel, and then the one pre-Oct 7 mention, from 2021, was also an Arabic Times of Israel story. Today I tried to repeat the search, but can't find that 2021 article; now it's just jumbled because there's so much new news. But interestingly, I found an Arabic translation/summary of an Independent story, in which the phrase "known as the Butcher of Khan Younis" was translated in the Arabic version as "known to Israel as the Butcher of Khan Younis." I appreciate that the translator took time to disavow! https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-hamas-yahya-sinwar-killed-body-gaza-b2631420.html

https://akhbarelyom.com/news/newdetails/4469307/1/الإندبندنت-هل-يمكن-أن-يؤدي-مقتل-يحيى-الس

[gaunt marsh]

Where did this come from? It's heavily modified/photoshopped.

[true snow]

If it was done in good faith, I get the impression the original messages were in Arabic and the translations were pasted over

[knotty tundra]

Did I not add the link? I must have copied the link and not pasted it. Sorry! It was definitely not on purpose - I’m glad the mods didn’t see! 😄

Anyway, since it says “source Hamza 20300” in the thread posted here (#1161401676943609907 message) and the pictures bear his watermark, fffanatic06 asked if the man himself e-mailed the pics of his current travel papers to Hamza 20300. So I went to Hamza 20300’s channel to find out.

The effect on the picture I shared is from Google Translate. It takes the original text and pastes a translation over it.
It is really quite a common and, I thought, recognisable sight nowadays. 😀
Of course machine translations aren’t perfect, that is why I would absolutely have preferred to link to the original from the outset.

I hope this explains things. Here’s the link:

https://t.me/hamza20300/302204

[gray locust]

https://x.com/Israel/status/1847835520216252872

Israel ישראל (@Israel) on X

Sinwar’s wife caught in this photo sneaking to the tunnels the night before October 7th - get this - clutching a $32,000 Hermes Birkin bag!

While Gazans endured hardship under Hamas, Sinwar and his family were shamelessly living in luxury, indulging while sending others to die.

Twitter · Oct 20, 2024, 3:01 AM

[spice tundra]

https://x.com/FakeReporter/status/1847880939432526090

פייק ריפורטר | FakeReporter (@FakeReporter) on X

Upon a quick glance, the bag seen in the CCTV footage released by the IDF of Sinwar and his family doesn’t appear to be the same as the Hermes Birkin bag shown in the comparison image. Even if it were, this isn’t proof that it’s an authentic bag, as these bags are easily

Twitter · Oct 20, 2024, 6:02 AM

[sonic hearth]

Those bags look very little alike, lol

[knotty tundra]

It looks like they picked the best still to fit their argument. When you look at the video it becomes even less convincing. https://vxtwitter.com/talhagin/status/1847883339195117748

[gray locust]

Very fast refuted propaganda. Hermes must have had a DDOS alert.

[knotty tundra]

From all those people who never spent a second thinking about handbags before in their life.

[wicked island]

OSINT is truly the melting pot of human thought... even fashion designers have their role in helping to analyse and uncover!

[sonic hearth]

It's just the old misogynistic "welfare queen" trope

It works well

[sonic hearth]

They also just googled "most expensive handbags" imo. Anyone who knows about this knows you can't buy a Birkin. You have to be invited to buy one.

[sonic hearth]

I did a thread on this because it's below the paygrade of NYT VIsual Investigations

https://bsky.app/profile/sarahstoecklin.bsky.social/post/3l6xleeu66e2v

[soft ibex]

How do you counter message disinformation like this? The story has now been picked up by several news agencies as factual and spread without any scrutiny

[gray locust]

Waiting til a bigger outlet thinks it's worth an article. Cause sure they know. Damage is always done even the correction comes fast.

[winged pumice]

you don't. not really. you just collect the information in the hopes that an opportunity to reintroduce skepticism into the public mind presents itself.

[true snow]

Maybe it goes into a book written five to ten years after the fallout when those in power feel "not enough of the general population will care anymore"

[sonic hearth]

Visegrad24

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1847976821859443029?s=19

Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) on X

Newly released video shows Yahya Sinwar taking his family to a bunker just hours before launching the October 7th Massacre.

His wife can be seen carrying a Hermès Birkin bag worth USD 32 000.

In case you wonder where the money that your Western government sends to UNRWA ends up

Twitter · Oct 20, 2024, 12:23 PM

[gray locust]

https://x.com/Israel_katz/status/1848239028304240663 photo shows gaza

ישראל כ”ץ Israel Katz (@Israel_katz) on X

Beirut in flames. A wide-scale Israeli attack targeted Hezbollah's financial infrastructure in Beirut and across Lebanon last night. Massive fires were seen above Beirut as over 15 buildings were struck following evacuation warnings to residents. Hezbollah has paid and will

Twitter · Oct 21, 2024, 5:44 AM

[gray locust]

Head Desk https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2024-10-20/ty-article/.premium/did-sinwars-wife-carry-a-32-000-bag-through-hamas-tunnels-under-gaza/00000192-ab6c-d049-a3db-bf7ea7440000

[sonic hearth]

Has anyone used her name yet or does she keep getting exclusively called "Sinwar's wife". Jesus

[gray locust]

No, also not in the poorly written article. Person. Woman. Tunnel. Bag.

[austere jolt]

https://x.com/thickyrubio/status/1848338497603559593
https://x.com/thickyrubio/status/1848338856115839304
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/21/middleeast/gaza-war-israeli-soldiers-ptsd-suicide-intl

j (@thickyrubio) on X

CNN tried to do a sympathy piece on IDF soldiers and then like halfway through the article you find out this guy was a D9 bulldozer driver who regularly drove over people while they were alive.

Twitter · Oct 21, 2024, 12:20 PM

j (@thickyrubio) on X

Twitter · Oct 21, 2024, 12:21 PM

[wraith kite]

CGI misinformation like with Al Shifa Hospital
https://fxtwitter.com/IDF/status/1848436265143677104

[soft ibex]

I feel like there should be a separate thread on disinfo in Lebanon.

[gray locust]

#1298157489669406760 message

[soft ibex]

Thanks

[wraith kite]

https://fixupx.com/manniefabian/status/1849088243309892082

Almost certainly manufactured consent to murder these journalists

[queen marsh]

That's extremely alarming as they're some of the last few journalists reporting on the situation in the north.

[turbid hollow]

Names from: https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1849088243309892082
Anas al-Sharif, Alaa Salameh, Hossam Shabat, Ashraf al-Sarraj, Ismail Abu Omar, Talal al-Arrouqi

• Anas al-Sharif had reported from the northern Gaza just recently [today].
• Ismail Abu Omar had been injured in February, and had been evacuated to Qatar for treatment at that time, not sure about the current status / location.
• Ashraf al-Sarraj [ https://www.instagram.com/ashraf_sa_s/ ] had been in Deir al-Balah 4 weeks ago [https://www.instagram.com/p/DAQQYWboNYA/].
• Hossam Shabat [|| https://x.com/HossamShabat || ] possibly not in northern Gaza, but in Gaza city [ https://x.com/HossamShabat/status/1848753639843627229 ]
  Have not found info about others yet.

[queen marsh]

Hossam is in the south according to his recent posts.

[strong forum]

Talal al-Arrouqi is ~~odd -- latest thing on Al-Jazeera with his name is from 2015. I don't find a Twitter or IG account. Unless I'm spelling his name wrong in Arabic? طلال العروقي -- but that's how Avichay Adraee is spelling it (not that he's so reliable, but anyway) https://x.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1849089709739216969~~ Talal Mahmoud [https://www.instagram.com/talal_mahmoud93/] and a week ago he was in Nuseirat camp, in central Gaza. He also has an IG post [https://www.instagram.com/p/DBeHoE_IWSW/] countering Adraee's claims -- one point I can make out is that the claim is Talal has been in Hamas since 2008, but Talal was only 16 years old then. There's a lot more, but I don't have the immediate vocab (or time to look it all up) to understand.

Is it just that they really want to get Anas al-Sharif, and the others are there for padding, to make it look like a huge conspiracy?

[wraith kite]

https://x.com/pressfreedom/status/1849114988771701084?t=X59eis3sA1cwtgJQT0HzGg&s=19

Committee to Protect Journalists (@pressfreedom) on X

🚨 The Committee to Protect Journalists is aware of accusations made by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) against several journalists in Gaza accusing them of being members of militant groups. Israel has repeatedly made similar unproven claims without producing credible evidence.

Twitter · Oct 23, 2024, 3:45 PM

[strong forum]

For searching, names/faces in this image are labeled:
TOP, left to right:
Talal Mahmoud Abd al-Rahman Al-Arrouqi (Arabic first/last: طلال العروقي)
Alaa Abd al-Aziz Muhammad Salameh (علاء سلامة)
Anas Jamal Mahmoud Al-Sharif (أنس الشريف)
BOTTOM, left to right:
Hossam Basel Abd al-Karim Shabat (حسام شبات)
Ismail Farid Muhammad Abu Omar (اسماعيل ابو عمر),
Ashraf Sami Ashur al-Sarraj (اشرف السراج)

[gaunt marsh]

This guy seems to implying he should get credit for IDF releasing this... he's made a number of threads over the last year 'proving' that certain press were actually Hamas members, he links to those threads from this one.
A skim over at least two of them shows that his criteria for being Hamas is if they posted something positive on October 7th and/or were involved in anything related to the Gazan government (such as handing out candy at police events).
https://fixupx.com/EFischberger/status/1849102655592771661

[soft ibex]

He claimed previously that Hind Khoudary is part of/ tied to Hamas

https://twitter.com/efischberger/status/1775914615785816267?s=46&t=EICw3-cxS0FC4Q45ICLtWQ

Eitan Fischberger (@EFischberger) on X

Some of you probably recognize Hind Khoudary, one of the most prolific Gaza-based journalists since October 7th.

Ms. Khoudary's résumé is absolutely stacked. Let's dive in

Twitter · Apr 4, 2024, 3:53 PM

[balmy turtle]

Those claims go much further back:

https://fixupx.com/hillelneuer/status/1249103210544947203?s=46&t=mwu8calky2id02TikW0xRA

[queen marsh]

It's a similar criteria to some of the attacks on UNRWA, wherein their interactions with the ruling government or civil authorities is highlighted to imply that they're legitimate targets for killing or detention, or the label of "terrorist" which carries legal implications in Western nations.

[winged pumice]

ok, so Israel's claims are legitimate and these reporters are Hamas operatives?

[wraith kite]

No?

[winged pumice]

johnsjohn is linking to an example of Hind_Gaza outing an activist. Which seems to support Israel's claims that these reporters are Hamas operatives.

[wraith kite]

a Hillel Neuer post is not an "example"

Scroll through his page.

Unless you believe UNRWA are legitimate targets as well

[queen marsh]

That's not what the article Neuer (a prolific disinformation purveyor) quoted says. Please define the word "operative".

[winged pumice]

I don't. That's why I'm asking for more clarity. If there have been allegations against these reporters going back years, then Israel is on much firmer ground than I believed them to be.

[wraith kite]

There's no allegations it's just Israeli "reporters" trying to manufacture consent to basically order hits on journos.

[gaunt marsh]

I think the keyword there is 'allegations' - Israel and the IDF have been making allegations against the reporters (and UNRWA, for that matter) for years - and very rarely produces evidence. When they have produced evidence it's often very superficial or flat wrong.
The fact they've been making these allegations for a long time does not mean they are any truer.

[balmy turtle]

There’s definitely a problem with the word operative. It’s probably intentionally vague. There’s some evidence of “pro-Hamas” attitudes if you want but I wouldn’t say that constitutes being labeled an operative.

[gaunt marsh]

Most of the allegations center around the reporters in question doing one or both of the following...
a) interactions with Hamas officials - including things like selfies at conferences
b) making social media posts sympathetic to Hamas and their military actions

(This was also a lot of the evidence against the 12 UNRWA employees earlier in the year. We had some discussions about that at the time, but there were legitimately ~4 or so employees out of ~14,000 who were really Hamas militants and the evidence of the others was mostly the above)

[sonic hearth]

Please don't take someone posting information in this channel as them being in agreement with the information - they might just be providing information

[gaunt marsh]

Sorry, I was unclear - 4 confirmed out of ~14,000, but I'm not saying there are no others. I actually have no doubt there are other UNRWA employees who are Hamas militants given the numbers - it would be crazy if there weren't. But the fact is Israel has been reviewing the UNRWA employee lists for years and we've seen very little real proof of this.

[gaunt marsh]

Hossam Shabat, listed by IDF as a Hamas member above, has responded:
https://fixupx.com/HossamShabat/status/1849162170661052417

[queen marsh]

I'd forgotten about the Ismail al Ghoul assassination and subsequent false claim. They actually arrested and released Al Ghoul during the war, then later announced that they'd eliminated him while he reported on the slaying of Haniyah's family.

[wary jewel]

They also killed a kid in the strike on Al Ghoul that happened to be on a bike near the car when they fired

[soft ibex]

The evidence they provided was also very badly done, they claimed he joined Hamas in 2007 despite being born in 1997

[gray locust]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/22/ruined-gaza-economy-un-report-israel?CMP=twt_b-gdnnews

[turbid hollow]

Not sure this should go into this channel, seems relevant to the recent allegations against Palestinian journalists
https://fixupx.com/receipts_lol/status/1849434302720745597

[gaunt marsh]

lol

[knotty tundra]

Hello! Did you forget to post a message?

[gaunt marsh]

No - sorry, I just looked at the last thing Ted posted. (it is clearly a joke)

[knotty tundra]

So what are you arguing? It shouldn't be here? I'm having a little trouble understanding your intent.

[strong forum]

The photos/names are all journalists who have served in the IDF.

[soft ibex]

It’s supposed to be satirical, can be disinformation though

[balmy turtle]

I’d say based on the replies the many people didn’t get the satire. But it’s also deleted now (edit: the whole account is gone actually).

[turbid hollow]

Temporary disabled - owner is taking a break.

[turbid hollow]

It is satirical, though as I understand, some journalists "walked the line between journalist and soldier, such as News 12 reporter Ori Maniv", possibly Nitzan Shapira from News 12 too - possibly shooting loads of artillery shells at Gaza they've never shot before.
https://archive.ph/IsRC4

And as I understand, some Israeli journalists, while being active combatants in Gaza, continued receiving payment from their employers as journalists.
I've reposted the satirical post above for it relevancy to the previous accusation made by IDF against Palestinian journalists in the message posted earlier in this channel #1161401676943609907 message

[attached image is a google translation for the first link]

[hollow night]

https://www.piratewires.com/p/how-wikipedia-s-pro-hamas-editors-hijacked-the-israel-palestine-narrative

[queen marsh]

Nothing new there, not sure it counts as disinfo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_and_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict

Thr author of that piece makes mention of "the torturing of settled definitions" which actually doesn't make sense, since the definition of concepts like Zionism, terrorism, the Jewish people, the Palestinian people etc. differ greatly depending on what source is used.

That article would be interesting to post in the "complexities of language" class, it actually points to very interesting issues of language. I.e the issue of calling Jews "a nation" rather than an ethnical and cultural group, which the author supports.

[tepid heart]

Context is key here, I think. The broader point of the article is somewhat well supported when you look at the total scale of this small group's activities on Wikipedia, even if their single edits are almost all arguably valid as you say. Things like removing a few pictures of certain figures in unflattering situations, removing mentions of some phrases, etc. do add up when it's done systematically across the whole set of articles.

[true snow]

From the article

From the Hamas wiki article

This claim is bizarre; nations didn't exist several thousand years ago the way they do today. I'm not sure "cultural community" is proper either, but nation certainly isn't.

[winged pumice]

context makes it worse imo these complaints about wikipedia are all coming in the shadow of wikipedia's (very mild) rebuke of the ADL and seem completely ignorant of other efforts to vandalize wikipedia pages. this reads like a concentrated effort to brand wikipedia an anti-semitic website

[queen marsh]

It was seemingly written to out a group of editirs with a clear bias, but yes, it completely ignores that there are two sides to the game and this back-and-forth editing and discussion on contentious topics - and the interest of certain users in certain issues - is the norm.

[winged pumice]

absolutely. the much less politically charged article for the F-35 has been in a constant state of vandalization and counter-vandalization even after the wiki community's aero experts weighed in. A year ago, I recommended an edit to the "controversy" section that would reflect the real world problems with concurrent procurement. This would also get away from the silly arguments about the jet's performance. And I ran head first into a brick wall a hundred meters tall.

that's just how wikipedia is.

[tepid heart]

Fair points, all of these

[queen marsh]

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/a-forged-us-intelligence-report-is
Funniest bit:

“forward airbases”: The notion that Israel might have “forward airbases,” as if they’ve moved aircraft to Jordan or some other country, is absurd. Plus there is no evidence that Israeli aircraft redeployed anywhere. And the word “airbases” probably would be two words as “air bases.”

[sonic hearth]

https://bsky.app/profile/shayan86.bsky.social/post/3l7haszgmsv23

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/Ha_Matar/status/1850184250336637098

Haggai Matar (@Ha_Matar) on X

One of the soldiers killed this week was a settler. At his funeral, his brother said: "You went into Gaza for revenge. The most women, children, anyone you saw".
However, when the funeral was reported by Israeli media, that part of the obit was removed
https://t.co/yFjfpjSYwV

Twitter · Oct 26, 2024, 2:34 PM

[queen marsh]

This soldier was also once arrested just a year ago for 40-year Palestinian man in front of his family whilst they harvested olives: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/reservist-eulogized-for-desire-to-take-revenge-against-gazans-setting-home-on-fire-to-boost-morale/

[austere jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749424816255402055/1300181432261672960/VID_29341129_042536_143.mp4?ex=67209091&is=671f3f11&hm=3521a766aedea4ad0d2b2e86a8fbfe2e074dc65ce0ce383815a41ad29025fd62&

[pastel apex]

That's really old now isn't it

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/israeli-podcast-gaza-genocide-button

Yeah it's from early September

[knotty tundra]

Older still. It says “09 Aug 2024” on the video.

[hollow night]

I also don't see how that fits into this channel.

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/YonahLieberman/status/1852721690653945923
Mazzig's X is a good archive of disinformation stories since Oct 7.

Yonah Lieberman 🔥 (@YonahLieberman) on X

NYT published a puff piece on Hen Mazzig, who spreads misinformation, is bigoted against Palestinians, and was quite literally on the Israeli government payroll just a few years ago.

He uses his platform to justify Israeli war crimes. There is nothing nuanced about his position.

Twitter · Nov 2, 2024, 2:37 PM

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1853003341187498461

Haaretz.com (@haaretzcom) on X

How Netanyahu leveraged leaked and false "Hamas documents" https://t.co/OODe63hTjC

Twitter · Nov 3, 2024, 9:16 AM

[strong forum]

Archived version of same story: https://archive.ph/F2c40

[left torrent]

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-827351

[queen marsh]

Arabic Wikipedia is a total mess, nigh on useless. It has an old internet feel. You can find pages there are just a copy paste of some blog. Yesterday I was looking at the page for Schadenfreude (which is a concept in Arabic), the majority of which appears to be a religious treatise about why it is wrong.

[soft ibex]

A new post by Viségrad spreading disinformation.
The 2.02% growth rate is based on CIA data from previous years.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1858887085094056012?s=46&t=EICw3-cxS0FC4Q45ICLtWQ

Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) on X

Gaza population increased by 2.02% or 43,000 people since October 7th 2023.

All historical genocides had population decreases of 25% or more.

Source: The World Factbook

Twitter · Nov 19, 2024, 2:56 PM

[turbid hollow]

Some of the latest stats books I've found with demographic data published by Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics:
2024 [Women and Men in Palestine]: https://www.pcbs.gov.ps/Downloads/book2706.pdf
2023 [Palestine in figures]: https://www.pcbs.gov.ps/Downloads/book2693.pdf
2022 [Palestine in figures]: https://www.pcbs.gov.ps/Downloads/book2654.pdf

57877 live births, 5774 registered deaths, 2196407 total pop in Gaza Strip in 2022.
2257051 [2196407 + 60644] estimated pop by the end of 2023, most likely not taking into an account deaths after 7/10.

Given the scale of killing, the destruction of health/water/sanitation infra and the starvation strategy implemented by Israel, there is almost no possibility that population size in Gaza Strip increased since 7/10, and for sure not by 2%.

[I know the above is pretty obvious, but I wanted to share links to stats books 🤷 ]

[soft ibex]

Also just going off the fact that the civil governance in Gaza has collapsed so there is little to no actual way to measure the number of births.

[queen marsh]

It's interesting to see how ubiquitously debunked elements of early Oct 7 2023 reporting on civilian killings by Gazan militias are mentioned in the public and diplomatic statements of both US and Israeli officials. Just one example from today (the part about burning, which Israeli officials and press clarified didn't happen and which Biden recently repeated): https://x.com/Israel_katz/status/1777618127762698395

ישראל כ”ץ Israel Katz (@Israel_katz) on X

ארדואן @RTErdogan שוב מקריב את האינטרסים הכלכליים של תושבי טורקיה למען תמיכתו במרצחי החמאס בעזה שאנסו, רצחו וחיללו גופות של נשים, נערות, מבוגרים ושרפו ילדים בחיים. ישראל לא תיכנע לאלימות ולסחטנות ולא תבליג על ההפרה החד צדדית של הסכמי הסחר ותנקוט נגד טורקיה בצעדים מקבילים שיפגעו

Twitter · Apr 9, 2024, 8:42 AM

[hollow night]

The claim that children were burned alive? When was this debunked? Can you link to an analysis?
Here is a bit more on that claim:
|| (TW: blood):
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjqyi11q0r

And some visual evidence:
TW: graphic, images of burned bodies. :

https://themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/||

[soft ibex]

It’s more that the claim that Hamas deliberately burned children/people is false. There was a fire at one of a the Kibbutzim, the cause of it was either an Israeli tank shell or an rpg.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-30/ty-article/.premium/families-of-killed-hostages-meet-with-idf-officer-who-ordered-tank-fire-on-kibbutz-home/00000191-045b-d117-abd9-8d7f73700000

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/UNRWA/status/1864336425828647088
(Look at the replies)

UNRWA (@UNRWA) on X

The Government of Israel is running a global disinformation campaign targeting UNRWA, the largest humanitarian provider for people in war-torn #Gaza.

The act of Israel, a UN member state, to label UNRWA, a UN agency, as a terror organisation may amount to hate speech.

Using

Twitter · Dec 4, 2024, 3:50 PM

[austere jolt]

Claim:
https://unrollnow.com/status/1864494075220509115

Responses:
https://fixupx.com/alonso_gd/status/1864636807826026985?

https://fixupx.com/alonso_gd/status/1864636811634471099

[strong forum]

I think it's funny that the screenshot used to criticize the AI report is a tiny snippet of the main text, as well as all the footnotes for the whole page. It looks as if the person who did the screengrab misunderstood the phrase "As outlined below" to mean literally "below" (footnotes), not big-picture "below" (the next page of the document).

Or the person who did the screengrab realized that such a tiny snippet would look disingenuous, so grabbed more to make it look substantial. Either way, the same screengrab is circulating everywhere, with apparently no independent/critical thought.

[queen marsh]

Came across this vile disinformation account with 54k followers.
https://x.com/GAZAWOOD1
Their shtick appears to be posting skits from Arabic social media and claiming that they are examples of staged suffering from Gaza. They don't know a lick of Arabic because often they pick clips of people speaking non-Palestinian dialects.

GAZAWOOD - the PALLYWOOD saga (@GAZAWOOD1) on X

GAZAWOOD 🎥 | Breaking down the Pallywood industry to reveal the propaganda coming out of Gaza 🌍|
Support Gazawood⬇️
https://t.co/P8wdgHaGFC

Twitter

[turbid hollow]

Their shtick is to post "explanation" edits for both skits and videos of results of actual massacres [with torn up bodies, injuries, ..].

[soft ibex]

A number of articles are being published claiming the deaths in Gaza are inflated to

https://nypost.com/2024/12/14/world-news/gaza-death-toll-inflated-to-promote-anti-israel-narrative-study/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/14/number-civilians-killed-gaza-inflated-to-vilify-israel/

The study cited here from the Henry Jackson Society, is misrepresenting data, for example claiming that 15-17 year old count as fight aged men, and therefore not civilian (the claim is made in the image).

https://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/HJS-Questionable-Counting-–-Hamas-Report-web.pdf

This doesn’t even take into account that in most modern conflicts the majority of civilians deaths are men aged 15-45, often specifically targeting that demographic. (This paper cites a lot of good sources on this https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/imperfect-victims-civilian-men-vulnerability-and-policy-preferences/30940E48E8A3D55D636BB072B77676FC)

[wary jewel]

||"According to the report, only five per cent of the media organisations surveyed cited casualty figures issued by the Israeli authorities, while 98 per cent used those provided by the Hamas-controlled health ministry."

This is easily explained by the IDF very rarely releasing their own estimates of casualties from strikes. They've only commented on casualties on a small number of strikes, with most of the comments just saying that the Health Ministry is exaggerating the number, and very few actually providing an IDF estimate. Where estimates or numbers are provided they typically only include militants and never mention any number for civillians killed. If the IDF was actually providing statements or their own estimates that would be included in reporting. There's also been strikes like the April Al Maghazi strike that killed ~10 that IDF claimed they had no record of.

One example, Gaza officials claimed at least 90 people killed, IDF release "at least 19 Hamas killed" and just disputed the number of civilians killed

"Following an intelligence investigation, it can be confirmed at this time that at least 19 Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists were eliminated. These terrorists operated in order to advance and carry out attacks against IDF soldiers and the State of Israel from inside the compound.

The strike was carried out using three precise munitions, which, according to professional analysis, can not cause the amount of damage that is being reported by the Hamas-run Government Information Office in Gaza. Furthermore, no severe damage was caused to the compound where the terrorists were situated."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/10/middleeast/israeli-school-strike-gaza-intl-hnk/index.html

https://x.com/IDF/status/1822323839004516762?t=Zmot_Hsamf4MGx0MQkgGFg&s=19

Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) on X

Today, the IDF and ISA struck terrorists operating in a Hamas command and control center, which was embedded inside a mosque in the Al-Taba’een school compound. Following an intelligence investigation, it can be confirmed at this time that at least 19 Hamas and Islamic Jihad

Twitter · Aug 10, 2024, 5:27 PM

[edgy spruce]

I don't know this account but found some useful points here. https://x.com/Converseallowed/status/1868388826324013179

Also in various recent posts (but not threaded) by https://x.com/History__Speaks who is supposedly workind on a bigger piece abt. this.

Conversations Allowed (@Converseallowed) on X

@HJS_Org @Mr_Andrew_Fox I just read the report. If I had to summarize: "The Gaza MoH made errors during one of the worst bombardments in history (shocking—errors in war!), and I don’t actually know the civilian death toll."

The report wouldn’t hold up to proper scrutiny. Here are its main weaknesses:

Twitter · Dec 15, 2024, 8:13 PM

History Speaks (@History__Speaks) on X

Exposing muddle-headed history. YouTube: https://t.co/9yUcHxGgsD Substack: https://t.co/j6ZmPahyFQ

Twitter

[turbid hollow]

A thorough debunking of the primary claims from the Henry Jackson Society study.
https://x.com/AdarWeinreb/status/1869069501150417258

Adar Weinreb (@AdarWeinreb) on X

A thorough debunking of @Mr_Andrew_Fox's report published by the @HJS_Org “think tank”.

In short, this is one of the most misleading and intellectually dishonest reports I have ever read. It contains over a dozen instances of misinformation, misrepresentation of data, or

Twitter · Dec 17, 2024, 5:17 PM

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/LailaAlarian/status/1869148223040082314
NYT blatantly abused an analyst's comment for one of their big stories about Oct 7. I remember reading the story at the time and was surprised at the analyst's unqualified confirmation of Israel's claims about the documents.

Laila Al-Arian (@LailaAlarian) on X

Ok this is wild. As Israeli bombs shredded Palestinian bodies in attacks on UNRWA schools where displaced people were sheltering, @nytimes published Israeli claims the schools were used by Hamas. But it never verified the documents it claims prove this. https://t.co/NFZhmf5er5

Twitter · Dec 17, 2024, 10:30 PM

[turbid hollow]

Malpractice by the publisher / editors / journalists.

[queen marsh]

If we're to speculate on reason behind the fast-and-loose approach to checking Israeli claims, Bergman, one of the cowriters, is a former Israeli intelligence and author of the famous (and pretty interesting) book on Israel's assassination history, Rise and Kill First.

[queen marsh]

A good number of Israel advocates/apologists know full well that Syria has never welcomed ICC jurisdiction for crimes committed in its territory. But they've nevertheless exploited the news of Syria's prison and mass grave excavations to attack international institutions. Dershowitz supposedly an expert on international law.
https://fxtwitter.com/AlanDersh/status/1869396986836799706

[azure gust]

Dershowitz is an asshat and clown, but he's not wrong that if Bibi has been indicted for allegedly breaching international law then Assad should be too

Breaches of ICL are heinous whoever is accused of doing them

[queen marsh]

The ICC doesn't have jurisdiction in Syria and it has absolutely no legal power to pursue Bashar Assad for crimes committed there. He is not arguing that it should be able to. He is claiming thay it doesn't want to and is choosing not to. You're falling for an argument that rests on blatant disinformation.
Netanyahu was indicted for crimes he committed in the State of Palestine, which gave jurisdiction to the ICC.

[azure gust]

To be clear, i'm not falling for anything: I don't believe it's the ICC who are choosing not to act.

What I tried (and failed) to get across is that what Dershowitz seems to be saying in a general sense is valid: breaches of ICL are heinous whoever is accused of doing them and all accused should face trial.

Incidentally, a state doesn't need to be a signatory to fall under the jurisdiction of the court: the UNSC can make a referral to the court. There is precedent for this:

https://www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/17/qa-syria-and-international-criminal-court#1

[queen marsh]

I think you are being too charitable. What he says isn't true even generally. He claims that the ICC was motivated to prosecute Netanyahu and Gallant because they are Jewish and accuses the court specifically of being hypocritical for fulfilling its mandate, and of "not caring" about Assad's victims. These are utterly fact-free assertions. Elsewhere he claims the ICC has no jurisdiction in Palestine because Palestine doesn't exist. So it is clear that he isn't calling for universal jurisdiction to go after any violator of ICL. He has also denounced the ICJ as being a fake court and called to ignore whatever decision it makes on South Africa v. Israel. His tweet shouldn't be read as anything other than a naked argument for Israel's right to violate ICL without repercussion.

[azure gust]

Yeah fair enough I think on reflection it's overly charitable. Defending Alan Dershowitz's honour is not a hill i'm going to choose to die on 😂

[edgy spruce]

Agreed. Completely a bad faith argument. The two “cases” have absolutely nothing to do with each other in any sense.

[austere jolt]

🧵https://unrollnow.com/status/1869069501150417258

[turbid hollow]

An article in AOAV [by Gabriel Epstein and Michael Spagat] about the Henry Jackson Society / Andrew Fox report being
https://aoav.org.uk/2024/flawed-critique-how-andrew-foxs-report-for-the-henry-jackson-society-on-gaza-death-toll-lacks-evidence-for-key-claims/

[austere jolt]

https://fixupx.com/haaretzcom/status/1870389997808828613

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-19/ty-article/.premium/israel-says-it-likely-understated-northern-gaza-population-but-theres-sufficient-aid/00000193-e025-d684-a9db-eea520200000

[turbid hollow]

Another good debunking [with complementary arguments to previous ones] of the Andrew Fox / Henry Jackson Society report.
https://historyspeaks.substack.com/p/a-bungled-effort
https://x.com/History__Speaks/status/1871349534741467628

[austere jolt]

This account seems to spread some hyperpartisan MDM https://x.com/PushBidenLeft/status/1872058492049064243

Holding Dems Accountable (From the Left!) (@PushBidenLeft) on X

US-backed Israeli forces appear to have dropped a nuclear bomb on Syria.

Israel’s possession of unregulated nuclear weapons makes it illegal for the US to send them military aid.

Twitter · Dec 25, 2024, 11:15 PM

[wraith kite]

Obvious misinfo https://x.com/idf/status/1872268633281274154?s=46

Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) on X

🔴ELIMINATED: Several Islamic Jihad terrorists posing as journalists.

Overnight, with the direction of IDF and ISA intelligence, the IAF conducted a precise strike on an Islamic Jihad terrorist cell inside of a vehicle in the area of Nuseirat. A number of Islamic Jihad

Twitter · Dec 26, 2024, 1:10 PM

[scarlet orbit]

Hi, could you please explain why this is misinformation? It is considered best practice here to explain the nature of the disinformation supported by evidence when posting an example of dis/misinformation.

[turbid hollow]

This may explain it in part
https://x.com/CPJMENA/status/1872182148566032409
https://cpj.org/2024/12/israeli-strike-kills-5-al-quds-al-youm-tv-journalists-in-central-gaza/

CPJ MENA (@CPJMENA) on X

#Gaza: CPJ is devastated by the reports that five journalists and media workers were killed inside their broadcasting vehicle by an Israeli strike in the Nuseirat camp.
Journalists are civilians and must always be protected.
#ThisMustStop

Twitter · Dec 26, 2024, 7:26 AM

[queen marsh]

Spicer is repeating an IDF claim that the channel was "affiliated with Islamic Jihad" that I've not seen evidence for in the past year of following 2 of them. I'm trying to find any evidence for this.

[queen marsh]

This is the same document that portrayed Al Jazeera journalist Ismail al-Ghool as having joined Hamas' military wing at the age of 10 years old and was used as justification for his murder months ago.
Here is Fabian's post reporting the murder and citing the document: https://fxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1819727072505348420

Changed 7 years to 10, I misremembered

Here is an RSF report on the murder of Al Ghoul with identical justification as the massacre of the 5 journalists at the hospital: https://rsf.org/en/ismail-al-ghouls-killing-targeted-and-discredited-palestinian-journalists-suffer-double-punishment

[turbid hollow]

CPJ still lists only 4 journalists as "murdered" and 118 journalists as died on a "dangerous assignment" in Gaza in it's DB, so it is hard to see them as impartial.
https://cpj.org/data/killed/2024/?status=Killed&motiveConfirmed[]=Confirmed&type[]=Journalist&typeOfDeath[]=Murder&cc_fips[]=IS&start_year=2023&end_year=2024&group_by=location

[queen marsh]

That may just have to do with whether or not they found evidence for specific targetting (i.e where Israel named the journalist as a target) versus "incidental" killings where Israel didn't name them. Unfortunately they repeat IDF allegations as if they were fact sometimes, which is also common across the traditional media.

[sonic hearth]

Thanks for answering JK - we sometimes try to teach new users about our standards here by having them get the information themselves

[turbid hollow]

Just looked at some of those most recently put in the "dangerous assignment" category by CPJ,
and I do not understand how at least some of these are not in the "murdered" category:
https://cpj.org/data/people/ahmed-al-louh/
https://cpj.org/data/people/mohamed-balousha/
https://cpj.org/data/people/nadia-emad-al-sayed/, https://cpj.org/data/people/saed-radwan/, https://cpj.org/data/people/haneen-baroud/
https://cpj.org/data/people/mohammed-al-tanani/
https://cpj.org/data/people/alhassan-hamad/
https://cpj.org/data/people/wafa-al-udaini/

[soft ibex]

That’s partially because there are no independent bodies to investigate these incidents.

Israel is still seen by many institutions as a reliable source when it comes to these allegations.

[queen marsh]

The NYT asserts without evidence that the Al Quds Al Yom is "affiliated" with PIJ, an accusation I have never seen before the Israeli military made the claim without providing any evidence (besides the phony document used to justify killing journalists by claiming they are members of its fighting ranks) https://fxtwitter.com/Hamza_a96/status/1872640615508480012

[lone heron]

▶️ Helpful tip: when critiquing news coverage, please try to include a link to the article when possible. The post provided doesn't mention the date, headline, or link to the article being discussed. For reference, the article mentioned article can be found at:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/25/world/middleeast/israel-strike-journalists-gaza.html
https://archive.is/EYOCC

[hollow night]

That is not the same list. One is from PIJ one from Hamas. Both are spreadsheet lists with the necessary member information but that's where the similarities end. They are differently structured and the Hamas one contains more additional information.
The screenshots are made in the same spreadsheet software though,which is why they look very similar at first glance.

[austere jolt]

https://bsky.app/profile/rachelwithers.bsky.social/post/3li3ov6h2ls2o
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/deliberate-orchestrated-incident-daily-telegraph-caught-up-in-stunt-gone-wrong-20250212-p5lbli.html

Rachel Withers (@rachelwithers.bsky.social)

The Daily Telegraph took part in a stunt in which a provocateur tried and failed to stir up antisemitism at an Egyptian restaurant in order to have it caught on camera.

How's this for "social cohesion"? I wonder if any politicians will bother to comment
www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...

Bluesky · Feb 13, 2025, 10:02 PM

[austere jolt]

https://fxbsky.app/profile/alanallport.bsky.social/post/3li2kppclik2m

[queen marsh]

Is it worth pointing out the serious credibility issues with the version of events that the Israeli military, Netanyahu administration Trump administration, various right-wing press outlets and other pro-Israel actors are claiming with regards to the fate of the Bibas family taken hostage?

A small comparison of coverage.

The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/feb/21/middle-east-crisis-live-updates-israel-idf-hostages-hamas

Hagari says Israel demands that Shiri Bibas be returned to Israel swiftly.

It is worth noting that Israel’s claims have yet to be verified by independent sources.

The New York Post front page:

[queen marsh]

Also relevant context to the incendiary and extreme claims: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-01-03/ty-article/.premium/i-believed-in-the-israeli-army-and-the-government-suddenly-everything-collapsed/00000194-2bf8-d39d-a196-bfff90d10000

[knotty tundra]

Are you trying to show one way it should be handled and one way it shouldn't?

[queen marsh]

Yes, with the former citing the source of the claims and mentioning the lack of independent verification, while the other does not let issues of credibility/evidence get in the way of a sensational headline.

[queen marsh]

Also relevant: https://x.com/DanFmTo/status/1894446584986763505

Never Again For Anyone (@DanFmTo) on X

@dancohen3000 It's still up on Israeli government websites that Hamas murdered Yossi.

X · Feb 25, 2025, 5:57 PM

[wary jewel]

It's also worth noting Hamas admitted a hostage was killed by one of their guards, and that the three Bibas family members killed (Shiri, Ariel and Kfir) were held by a different group, while the father, Yarden, who lived was actually held by Hamas. It's entirely possible this group did as Israel claims and killed them intentionally. There's just nothing public aside from each side's respective claims.

[austere jolt]

Anyone with able to translate the alleged clip to see if this is an accurate assessment?
https://vxtwitter.com/Telegraph/status/1894431030800433414
Note: Telegraph is a right-wing British newspaper known for spreading MDM, so potentially unreliable

[wary jewel]

@queen marsh

[queen marsh]

It's accurate but not unusual.
Palestinians on the ground in the territories most often refer to Israelis as "the Jews" in day-to-day language and in interviews (Israelis in most contexts rarely refer to them as Palestinians, but as "the Arabs", though at the highest levels that's often political decision).

I cannot say definitely why news media across the board change it, except that talk of "the Jews" is distasteful to Western audiences, even when interviewing for instance a child that was harmed by a self-identifying Jewish regime (many instances of such interviews with subtitles changed that way just in this server). There is a general cultural refusal yo treat the conflict with similar language to lower-profile ethnic conflicts around the world. Off the top of my head, I regularly see CNN, BBC and MSNBC do it.

For Palestinians of a conservative and especially an Islamist political background rather than a secular nationalist background, "qawim" (resist) and "jahid" (conduct jihad) are used interchangeably. In the clip she actually using both "these videos confirmed to us that they weren't hiding underground, he was resisting, jihad-ing against the Jews." Likely referring to Sinwar.

[austere jolt]

Thanks! Interesting insight. Looks like this is consistent with policy dating back to at least 2019 when a similar debate was happening

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/bbc-defends-translation-of-arabic-word-yahud-in-gaza-film-after-backlash/

[solid berry]

What‘s MDM?

[knotty tundra]

Misinformation, Disinformation amd Malinformation.

[gray locust]

Do you have a source for your note

[hollow night]

It's from the recent BBC documentary "Gaza: How to survive a war zone", where the main character turned out to be the son of a hamas minister. BBC subsequently removed the film from its online services.

[knotty tundra]

I think she meant the part where @austere jolt says: "Note: ..."

[queen marsh]

Netanyahu adds lurid (and apparently unknowable) details to his government's claims about the fate of the Bibas family (warning for description of graphic violence):
https://x.com/dancohen3000/status/1894607588215402714

Dan Cohen (@dancohen3000) on X

One day after the Bibas family sent a cease and desist letter to Netanyahu demanding he to stop publicly discussing details of the deaths of their family, he appeared at AIPAC and reiterated his evidence-free claim that Hamas murdered the family with their bare hands, but added

X · Feb 26, 2025, 4:37 AM

[soft ibex]

Would be important to add that Hamas did say that the mother and children died in an air strike in November 2023

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-bibas-family-hamas-claims-mom-2-kids-killed-idf/

[austere jolt]

Their wiki has a good summary of some of the vectors of MDM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Telegraph#False_allegations_of_Islamic_extremism

I guess to their credit, they at least have a running corrections page (not sure if this is new) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/telegraph-corrections-and-clarifications/

[gaunt tangle]

https://www.piratewires.com/p/the-terrorist-propaganda-to-reddit-pipeline

Article has a heavy ideological stance - but breaks down pretty well the network

(there's also another touching into how zei_squirrel specifically operates - but as it touches on GBV topics I'd rather not post it/wait for the mods to ok it)

[gaunt marsh]

This does not seem especially compelling to me. The discord brigading groups she points to all seem to be set up a month ago and have been virtually unused. It hardly seems like a coordination point that's actively being used for the kind of reddit brigading she describes.

The 'anyone sharing news from this news aggregator is widening the propaganda' is similarly unconvincing as any sort of coordinated effort that she implies.

She also invokes Section 230 in the standard wrong way, basically saying that sharing news from an aggregator that shares what she deems terrorist propaganda is legally actionable against reddit (it is almost certainly not).

The whole thing seems to boil down to "people I don't like have a lot of reach on social media".

[queen marsh]

They seem to be describing how Reddit normally seems to work? It ultimately just comes down to moderators, right. That's why some communities are downright Kahanist and others are pro-Hamas. Some of the connections are a bit spurious, i.e someone sharing a post that haplened to be on a pro-Axis or pro-Qassam Telegram

[solid berry]

GBV topic?

[gaunt tangle]

gender based violence

[pastel apex]

Hi! I'm deleting this as per #rules 4A. We have a long-standing rule going back to shortly after October 7 regarding the discussion of sexual violence. The topic is much too sensitive and much too complex and the server isn't geared to host discussions on it.

[wary jewel]

Claim that these are Nazi tattoos of a UN employee injured in a Hamas trap. Photo on the left appeared as early as August 2022, Apparently this is a known error with Google lens that false results sometimes show up on this page (https://x.com/talhagin/status/1903335716349689946?t=ACXpP6r86VCDahRBFLEehA&s=19) and the photo on the right is a tattoo of a character from Hellboy. This post appears to be claiming the explosion at the UN guesthouses in Deir Al Balah that killed 1 and injured 5 was a Hamas booby trap. CNN found Israeli tank fragments at the scene and the damage is consistent with that.

Disinformation post:
https://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1903029266742181923?t=m8AQJRV1nApyPFGSexfNDQ&s=19
CNN fragments: https://x.com/GianlucaMezzo/status/1902463630584496231?t=GucbTfhLhSaik3jruPWHjw&s=19

JNS article which provides the same details as twitter post, but without pictures: https://www.jns.org/un-staffer-hospitalized-in-israel-has-pro-nazi-tattoos/

Tal Hagin (@talhagin) on X

1. The claim that this image is 2 years old stems from a known issue where Google Lens often mislabels dates. (See thread below)

2. We can tell this image was taken in an Israeli hospital, likely Soroka, based on the distinct bed sheets:

X · Mar 22, 2025, 6:39 AM

Marina Medvin 🇺🇸 (@MarinaMedvin) on X

A UN employee was injured by a Hamas-laid trap in Gaza. He is being treated at an Israeli hospital. His arms are covered in huge Nazi tattoos.

X · Mar 21, 2025, 10:21 AM

Gianluca Mezzofiore (@GianlucaMezzo) on X

.@Easybakeovensz and @RogueAdventurer said weapon fragments from the scene are consistent with the M339, an Israeli tank projectile. Coordinates for the UN guesthouse in Deir al-Balah: 31°24'03"N 34°20'07"E https://t.co/YBYN9dvMMw

X · Mar 19, 2025, 8:54 PM

[sonic hearth]

Good work

[wary jewel]

Actually I was wrong. There's a problem with Google Lens where false results sometimes appear. I should have actually verified it had been posted on that Reddit https://x.com/talhagin/status/1903335716349689946?t=ACXpP6r86VCDahRBFLEehA&s=19

Tal Hagin (@talhagin) on X

1. The claim that this image is 2 years old stems from a known issue where Google Lens often mislabels dates. (See thread below)

2. We can tell this image was taken in an Israeli hospital, likely Soroka, based on the distinct bed sheets:

X · Mar 22, 2025, 6:39 AM

[sonic hearth]

Even better to correct yourself!

[knotty chasm]

@wary jewel

For reference the character in question is Karl Ruprect Kroenen, who in the both the comics and the movie adaptions within which he appeared was an SS officer. Meine Ehre heißt is likewise the motto of the Waffen SS.

[strong forum]

Lawsuit alleging Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) at Columbia was alerted by Hamas about Oct. 7 attack, because SJP posted on Instagram "We are back!" a few minutes before the attack started (late at night Oct. 6 NYC time). It's being circulated by major pro-Israel accounts. For ex: https://fixupx.com/noatishby/status/1904523970902184321

But in addition to that simply seeming like an extreme reach/meaningless coincidence, I don't think the post even went up at that time.

SJP Columbia's IG account is shut down, so can't see original post, but I did find this post on IG from April/May 2024, pushing the same conspiracy theory--but the screenshot shows an Oct. 5 timestamp. (There's no way the post could've gone up late Oct. 6 NYC time AND be visible as Oct. 5 to someone else, because there aren't enough time zones behind US East Coast time.)

So whoever put this lawsuit together either 1) photoshopped the date or 2) worked off a screenshot taken in a later time zone.

Noa Tishby (@noatishby)

Did Columbia University students know about Hamas’s plan to murder thousands of innocent Israelis on October 7th?
︀︀
︀︀A bombshell new lawsuit suggests they might have—highlighting that the radical hate group Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) posted online just three minutes before the massacre began, after being silent for months.
︀︀
︀︀We need answers about who knew what, and when.

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FixupX · Mar 25, 2025, 1:21 PM

(Incidentally, is there anywhere to find archived Instagram posts? Archive.org doesn't work because IG login is required.)

[austere jolt]

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/pulitzer-winner-under-fire-for-branding-israeli-hostages-killers-in-social-media-tirades/

https://fixupx.com/EmilyDamari1/status/1920367667115958319

Emily Damari (@EmilyDamari1)

Dear Members of the @PulitzerPrizes board,
︀︀
︀︀My name is Emily Damari. I was held hostage in Gaza for over 500 days.
︀︀
︀︀On the morning of October 7, I was at home in my small studio apartment in Kibbutz Kfar Aza when Hamas terrorists burst in, shot me and dragged me across the border into Gaza. I was one of 251 men, women, children, and elderly people kidnapped that day from their beds, their homes, and a music festival.
︀︀
︀︀For almost 500 days I lived in terror. I was starved, abused, and treated like I was less than human. I watched friends suffer. I watched hope dim. And even now, after returning home, I carry that darkness with me - because my best friends, Gali and Ziv Berman are still being held in the Hamas terror tunnels.
︀︀
︀︀So imagine my shock and pain when I saw that you awarded a Pulitzer Prize to Mosab Abu Toha.
︀︀
︀︀This is a man who, in January, questioned the very fact of my captivity. He posted about me on Faceb…

FixupX · May 8, 2025, 6:38 AM

[queen marsh]

I struggling to find evidence that Abu Taha denied Damari was captured by Hamas on Oct 7. Also we have no independent confirmation or published evidence that can confirm the Israeli claims about the Bibas family. Not sure this counts as disinformation.

[austere jolt]

https://bsky.app/profile/joelhs.bsky.social/post/3lowl2de3k22b

Joel S. (@joelhs.bsky.social)

It’s quite telling the lengths that the “Jerusalem Post” will go to avoid having to say that a pro-Palestine protestor could be Jewish. www.jpost.com/internationa...

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Bluesky · May 11, 2025, 11:06 PM

[strong forum]

It's interesting to see how this was spun. Here's Abu Toha himself explaining (very much in line with what he's been saying the past year and a half) that he objects to the language around Israeli hostages, with no distinction between civilian and soldier, when set against Palestinians held by Israelis. https://www.instagram.com/p/DJiG3WhSgqF/

mosab_abutoha

Congratulations! Sorry for everything you and your family continue to go through! BUT!
I went down yesterday to NYC to watch Mo Amer’s show and before that I had a pre-taped interview on MSNBC’s Weekend Primetime to talk about my Pulitzer Prize. That was one question.
I hope MSNBC would find a way to air this, not only publish it on their we...

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[queen marsh]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/bild-report-seriously-distorted-hamas-document-left-out-information-showing-hamas-wanted-truce-german-tv/

[austere jolt]

https://fixupx.com/amitsegal/status/1924169891021492686
https://fixupx.com/AmitSegal/status/1924173845470073166

Amit Segal (@AmitSegal)

The Arabic IDF Spokesperson has published unequivocal evidence that Gazan journalist Hassan Aslih, who was killed last week in an IDF strike on Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis, was a registered military operative in the Khan Yunis Brigade of Hamas’ military wing.
︀︀
︀︀According to the IDF, his weapon was his camera, which was used to glorify Hamas, including when he documented the October 7 massacre.

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FixupX · May 18, 2025, 6:27 PM

Amit Segal (@AmitSegal)

The IDF also published documents proving the allegations:

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FixupX · May 18, 2025, 6:42 PM

[austere jolt]

https://fixupx.com/saulstaniforth/status/1925468225665446272

Saul Staniforth (@SaulStaniforth)

Israeli foreign minister Gideon Sa'ar accuses European officials of having incited antisemitism thats led to the killings in New York, and he says talk of "supposed genocide", "supposed crimes against humanity" and "the killing of babies" has paved the way for the killings.

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FixupX · May 22, 2025, 8:26 AM

[austere jolt]

On Israeli TV, Starving Gazan Babies Aren't a Problem. As Long as There Are No Photos of Them
Israeli far-right Channel 14's coverage of humanitarian aid to Gaza reveals a disturbing moral calculus: starvation is acceptable, as long as no one sees it
https://www.haaretz.com/life/television/2025-05-20/ty-article-opinion/.premium/starving-babies-in-gaza-are-no-problem-as-long-as-there-are-no-photos/00000196-ed25-dfe6-a5f6-ef671c1c0000

https://archive.fo/7ZTrj

https://fxtwitter.com/AFpost/status/1925685729776005508

AF Post (@AFpost)

Netanyahu: “Free Palestine is just today's version of Heil Hitler.”
︀︀
︀︀Credit: @Kaizerrev
︀︀
︀︀Follow: @AFpost

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FxTwitter · May 22, 2025, 10:50 PM

[austere jolt]

🧵 https://skywriter.blue/pages/rahaeli.bsky.social/post/3lpxyoe4efk26

🧵 https://skywriter.blue/pages/rahaeli.bsky.social/post/3lpygnc6isk25

[austere jolt]

🧵 https://fxbsky.app/profile/bft.wtf/post/3lqaavfk2qk2r

Bennett Tomlin (@bft.wtf)

Please don’t agree to do sanctions evasion unless you are really prepared

Quoting John B (@johnb78.bsky.social)
︀
A friend's relative spent 15 years in prison for doing what Shah is asking randos to do online here en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafil_A...

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FxBluesky · May 28, 2025, 12:56 PM

[true patio]

https://x.com/IsraelMFA/status/1927804762587619549
https://x.com/WFP_MENA/status/1927791635879932374
The claim that this is a Hamas warehouse is disinformation, it is operated by the UN WFP

Israel Foreign Ministry (@IsraelMFA)

This is Hamas’s warehouse in central Gaza — full of food, kept away from the civilians.

People stormed in. Hamas opened fire.

X · May 28, 2025, 7:10 PM

WFP in the Middle East & North Africa (@WFP_MENA)

#Gaza

X · May 28, 2025, 6:18 PM

[austere jolt]

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/bbc-arabic-apologises-after-presenters-7-october-comments/

[spice tundra]

https://x.com/OrenMarmorstein/status/1929218216875688030

Oren Marmorstein (@OrenMarmorstein)

Watch with your own eyes: Hamas shoots at civilians in Gaza to prevent them from reaching aid distribution points.

X · Jun 1, 2025, 4:47 PM

[turbid hollow]

On the above
https://fixupx.com/AbuLocation/status/1929232952837455915

Abu Location أبو لوكيشن (@AbuLocation)

This video is not from Rafah, this is a sales point of stolen flour in Khan Younis, reportedly owned by an armed family that runs organized aid theft .. there is a video taken at this location documenting similar violence carried out to control the crowds .
︀︀
︀︀It was reported that aid trucks were raided in Al Tahlia roundabout yesterday, and the stolen flour was being sold at this point.
︀︀
︀︀Additionally, the entrance of Rafah Distribution Base looks nothing like this, Israeli media posted a video of the base and we know the area is razed and has little greenery (see below for the video).

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FixupX · Jun 1, 2025, 5:45 PM

[strong forum]

I'm confused! The news this morning about 21 people (NYT)/31 people (WaPo, AP) killed at an "aid distribution site" says it happened in Rafah. Above is Khan Younis, and now on the NYT there's video stamped Khan Younis (but maybe that's to ID where the hospital is, and not the shootings?) and also talking about people being shot at at an "aid distribution site." And a whole convoluted story from the IDF in the updated WaPo story. These are two separate incidents, right? https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000010202537/gaza-israel-war-strikes.html

Eesh, three separate incidents?! https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/06/01/israel-gaza-aid-rafah-shooting/

[strong forum]

(And another one just happened while I was trying to figure out the above.)

[wary jewel]

So this video: #1161401676943609907 message was released by the IDF after a lot of news came out about the Sunday incident. It's an unrelated incident, that's not related to the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation/Israeli aid distribution. IDF didn't even claim that the gunmen were Hamas (https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1929221518992519217). Some reports are that they are an Israeli backed gang but not really a way to verify that in open sources.

There were other incidents of people being shot before the GHF facility opened on Monday, and Tuesday (today), in addition to the Sunday incident.

Sunday shooting and Khan Younis IDF video release: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-hostages-aid-06-01-2025-67688833abb96fc068c42d10da90a0a4
Monday shooting: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-ceasefire-aid-06-02-2025-13980028c67e29262ee9fd85371e0630
Tuesday shooting: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/gazans-report-several-killed-in-shooting-near-aid-center-for-third-straight-morning/

[turbid hollow]

The person who had been claimed to be responsible for the convoy looting on 16 November 2024 near Israeli positions [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerem_Shalom_aid_convoy_looting ]
now calling for people in Gaza to come under his protection in east Rafah https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/artc-militia-leader-calls-for-east-rafah-residents-to-come-under-his-protection

I've mainly seen this account reporting on them being an Israeli backed gang, but given that they ~openly operate in areas under Israeli control [areas under Israeli forced displacement orders], this seems to be mostly credible.
https://fixupx.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1930167419302973519

[wary jewel]

Ive heard about that and agree in that case, I just dont know if the video released by the IDF is showing that gang or a different one.

[turbid hollow]

The same account claims that that IDF drone footage of a shooting in Khan Yunis is by the same gang, but I have not seen evidence to support that.
https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1929241791527624770

Of a note, according to https://x.com/AbuLocation/status/1929232952837455915
the flour that had been sold at the location of the shooting in IDF's footage, had been looted a day before in an area under Israeli forced displacement orders since 2025-05-19 https://x.com/TedNoNumbers/status/1929483819427508284

[turbid hollow]

Oh, this may be a better source on those armed looter gangs protected by Israeli forces [posted previously here: #israel-palestine message]
https://news.sky.com/story/completely-abhorrent-how-the-roll-out-of-new-gaza-aid-system-collapsed-into-chaos-13375941

He and another senior UN official told Sky News that most of the looting was carried out by armed gangs operating near the border with Israel.
Mr Rose describes a "looters' valley" between Kerem Shalom and Khan Younis, where trucks are frequently attacked.
"This is a controlled military area, with a heavy presence of Israeli troops on the ground," says Mr Rose, who left Gaza in late March.
"And yet armed Palestinians were able to roam pretty freely in the vicinity of these military areas – I'd say within about 200-300m of military outposts and vehicles. They weren't running for cover, they were in plain sight."
Amjad al Shawa, director of the Palestine NGO Network (PNGO), told Sky News that "no one can get there, only looters".
He added that the gangs had recently spread their control to eastern Khan Younis, after the area was declared a combat zone by the IDF on 19 May.
Multiple aid officials told Sky News that the ringleader of the looters was a man called Yasser Abu Shabab.

And more further in the article

[turbid hollow]

Speaking to Sky News, Mr Abu Shabab denied that his men were involved in looting or had any arrangement with Israel.
"Our forces accompany the relief convoys on a permanent basis," he says. "We work to ensure that aid reaches our people safely, without interference or theft."

One senior aid worker described Mr Abu Shabab's claim as "comical".
Another senior aid worker told Sky News he witnessed regular negotiations between Abu Shabab and the UN, during which Abu Shabab claimed to have control over all the looting gangs in southern Gaza.

[austere jolt]

https://forward.com/news/725842/camera-andrea-levin-fired/

[queen marsh]

I really can't overstate how pathetic and weak the current Israeli misinformation about the daily massacres of aid-seekers is. There seems to be a segment of people who are utterly willing to repeat the thinnest of possible excuses for the inexcusable. For instance: https://x.com/FXFILL/status/1935338238312337897

RiskManager (@FXFILL)

@JehadAbusalim Blame Hamas. Israel provides food, Hamas is disenfranchised so Hamas does this... not hard to figure out

X · Jun 18, 2025, 2:06 PM

[wild monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/climateben/status/1937140567365898526

I figure I should post this in order to clarify things and help people understand what’s going on here. The basis of this claim is supposedly a report from Yaakov Garb, but the actual report (which can be found here https://21stcenturywire.com/2025/06/23/new-report-the-hidden-numbers-behind-gazas-real-death-toll/) contains no such claim. From what I can tell, the basis for such a claim was a medium article that looked at the report, looked at the attached image, noting that the vague population estimates seen do not combine to the pre-war population, and drawing a conclusion from that. This is obviously very flawed methodology, and cannot be taken as a useful barometer of deaths.

There’s good reason to believe that the current figures are underestimates, there is at this point in time no basis on which to believe the claims made in this report. Every single death is a tragedy, and even the current official toll is a pretty unimaginable loss of life.

Ben See (@ClimateBen)

BREAKING: analysis of Israel’s own data "shows it murdered 377,000 Palestinians during genocide so far – half of them kids"

Quoting Ben See (@ClimateBen)
︀
BREAKING: at 400,000 and growing, far more Palestinians have been killed in Gaza than the combined total of deaths from Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden in World War II.. yet media remain silent on tripartite genocide by Israel, US, and UK 🧵

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FxTwitter · Jun 23, 2025, 1:27 PM

[soft ibex]

Notably the map leaves out more populated areas such as Jabalya and parts of Khan Younis.

The 400k figure could match with lancet and similar studies however.
The conclusion from the Harvard study is false though.

Medium also is not a reliable site.

[turbid hollow]

On the 186k Lancet letter [the claim in it is often misinterpreted, and it's methodology is not good]: #1161401676943609907 message

Here is a study with a good methodology specifically on violent deaths:

We estimated 64 260 deaths (95% CI 55 298–78 525) due to traumatic injury during the study period [2023-10-07 to 2026-06-24], suggesting the Palestinian MoH under-reported mortality by 41%.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)02678-3/fulltext

Here is a very recent study [Michael Spagat is one of the authors, for now published as a preprint], with good methodology, that used independently collected data:

Based on the GMS, we estimate 75200 violent deaths (95% CI: 63600–86800) between October 7, 2023, and January 5, 2025.
Among those 56.2% (95% CI: 50.4%–61.9%) were women (18-64), children (< 18), or elderly (65+).
We also estimate 8540 (95% CI: 4540–12500) excess (i.e., above expectation) nonviolent deaths.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.06.19.25329797v3

[queen marsh]

Also the way it is being spoken about implies 400,000 dead. In reality there are an estimated 100,000-200,000 who escaped to Egypt. (i.e a profile of some of them: https://www.newstatesman.com/the-weekend-report/2024/10/in-egypt-displaced-palestinians-languish-in-limbo )
Though the official health ministry death toll widely touted has barely moved in the past year due to methodological difficulties (like almost every hospital being destroyed) ... despite huge IDF operations, bombardment, massacres and deprivation.

[signal shell]

Onkel_Schorsch
you are Hasbara

[turbid hollow]

You seem to be new on this server. I hope it will be considered a mitigating circumstance if/when mods decide to act.

[queen marsh]

I don't know that we can determine how good or bad the methodology in these papers is until after we have a real accounting of the number of killed and injured, which not occur for years.

[shell steeple]

Seen this starting to spread a bit, a claim about Israel smuggling Oxycodone in bags of flour with malicious intent.

The origin seems to be this Facebook post but I'm not sure of the validity of the claim vs what's being written as I'm not familiar with Arabic.

https://x.com/alitawil92/status/1938280436423164245

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16WCjGMXdu/

Dr. Ali Tawil (@alitawil92)

Israel is flooding Gaza with drugs.

It has been revealed that the narcotic "Oxycodone" is being smuggled inside flour bags labeled as humanitarian aid.
Oxycodone is an opioid used to relieve severe pain, such as in cancer patients, but it causes dangerous addiction, respiratory

X · Jun 26, 2025, 4:57 PM

[turbid hollow]

Just a note, on the second paper [Michael Spagat, https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.06.19.25329797v3],
The estimate of 75200 is for killed by January 2025, when GMoH reported 45660.
That is +65% killed compared to GMoH count.
Crudely projecting to June 15 count from the GMoH named list of killed: 55202 * (75200 / 45660) = 90915 violent deaths, which does not include excess non-violent deaths.

Add to that the estimated 8540 excess non-violent deaths by 2025-01-05, projecting to 2025-06-15 by the number of days, that would be 8540 * (617 / 456) = 11555.

For a crude estimate of the total of excess deaths by 2025-06-15 of 90915+11555 = 102470.

In addition, the paper states that they could not capture cases of households in which all members older than 15y.o had been killed, given the design of the data collection.

Section 4.2 lists explicitly multiple possible sources of both downwards and upwards bias in the estimate.

[queen marsh]

The GHF criminals aren't even trying. Clear scene of chaos. https://x.com/GHFUpdates/status/1941892395513340199

Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (@GHFUpdates)

Free, nutritious food without interference - that's what people need and it's what GHF is proud to deliver.

X · Jul 6, 2025, 4:10 PM

[queen marsh]

It would be a very long list, but where is just one example of US/UK/German press refering to brutal ethnic cleansing of Gaza in terms of "migration"
https://x.com/pat_kaczmarczyk/status/1942492719022235703

Patrick Kaczmarczyk (@pat_kaczmarczyk)

„Radikaler Emigrationsplan“ - noch harmloser ging es nicht, @derspiegel?

X · Jul 8, 2025, 7:55 AM

[soft ibex]

This is German media, they uncritically copy the official Israeli wording.

[knotty dawn]

The major ones yes. There are those who do not though. Which publication is this from? I do not want to click on the X link.

[hollow night]

The screenshot is claimed to be from DER SPIEGEL

[strong forum]

Here is the Der Spiegel magazine Instagram account sharing it. (Did not find direct link to story.) https://www.instagram.com/p/DL1ok7Rxlu4/

spiegelmagazin

Israel Katz, der israelische Verteidigungsminister, hat Medienberichten zufolge die Planung eines riesigen Auffanglagers für 600.000 Palästinenserinnen und Palästinenser in den Trümmern von Rafah angeordnet.

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[soft ibex]

Here is the original article.

The title changed a bit but the rest of the article including sanitized language is still present.

https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/rafah-israel-plant-auffanglager-fuer-600-000-menschen-in-gaza-a-f4ba1753-c009-4146-a5fb-a2d3c090b789

[hollow night]

Here is the original article and it is quite critical of the Israeli plans. You won't find them called"brutal ethnic cleansing" though because the German non-tabloid news media tries to use neutral and objective language instead of loaded and judgemental terms, especially for things that have not happened yet.
You would have to look for a commentary article for that, not a news report.

The screenshot does not fit to the layout of the website or the official app so I don't know where it's from.

https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/rafah-israel-plant-auffanglager-fuer-600-000-menschen-in-gaza-a-f4ba1753-c009-4146-a5fb-a2d3c090b789

[knotty dawn]

It's from their official Instagram account. If one clicks the article link that Ditralus provided, you are taken to this:

At the very bottom of this page, there is an Instagram and a Facebook account link:
https://www.spiegel.de/

[soft ibex]

The article isn’t really critical, the only critical bit is that it points to the fact that once a person enters the camp they won’t be allowed to leave, and that radical parts of the Netanyahu government are looking to settle the Gaza Strip.
No mention on the legality of this, or a Palestinian perspective.

[knotty dawn]

Also if one reads the English versions of DW articles on such topics, they are usually different compared to the German ones. The English side is a lot more critical of Israel than the German versions are.
Often there is no equivalent German article at all.

[knotty dawn]

This claim is not entirely accurate. Could they have been more critical? Absolutely. Could they have also interviewed and presented the views of Gazans? Definitely.

But they do quote the opinion of the human rights lawyer Michael Sfard as an opposing claim to those of the government. They also call the plans "Remigration" which is a word that has become toxic in Germany and associated with Nazis. And they also point out that the claim that "everyone will go inside out of their own free will is impossible".

Sometimes it is the cultural and linguistic subtleties that make a significant difference. Things that someone from outside the country would miss.

[soft ibex]

Oh you’re right, it seems like I missed that part.

[queen marsh]

Thanks for explaining the connotations

[knotty dawn]

You are welcome! My pleasure. 😁

[queen marsh]

Regarding the EU-Israel association agreement deal and aid to Gaza - starvation is at its worst right now, but EU leadership seem content to pretend that the issue is resolved and no review of Israel's conduct is needed. Consistent pattern of bypassing human rights mechanisms and going straight to Israel to give it special latitude in order to avoid penalty.
Norwegian Refugee Council :https://x.com/NRC_Egeland/status/1946563412835938423
Constant UN reports that no real progress on aid is being made: https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165437
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165415

Jan Egeland (@NRC_Egeland)

EU’s @kajakallas says there’s been “some good signs” in aid access to Gaza.

But for NRC and many others, no relief has entered for 142 days. Not one truck. Not one delivery. For the few actors allowed to bring in limited supplies, the UN reports that from 19 May to 14 July, an

X · Jul 19, 2025, 1:30 PM

[knotty tundra]

Is that a quote?

[queen marsh]

No. Pointing out discrepancy between statements from Kallas and statements from aid groups and famine reports.

[knotty tundra]

Why not present the two statements side-by-side and then add sources that prove that one is correct? So, say "Kallas said x, here is evidence of y."

In movies they say "show, not tell."

[queen marsh]

Ah, that's because the first tweet I linked basically does that.

[knotty tundra]

Okay, I just want to warn you that the way you post makes you look like a person who has an opinion first and finds evidence to fit it later. And since that is not what this server is for - and I'm sure that's not what you meant to convey - I'm trying to point you towards an alternative way of posting.

[turbid hollow]

#1160132507472244839 message
A relevant 8 page long internal report that had been prepared as a part of the review of the EU-Israel association agreement.

[seemed appropriate to post it again, as it supports well the replied to above post]

[just noticed that the original message had no link to the source, only to the document; the source is https://euobserver.com/eu-and-the-world/ar0246a0da ]

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1947370093224096142

Channel 4 News (@Channel4News)

Most doctors in most Gaza hospitals involved in ‘terrorist activities' says Israel Special Trade Envoy

X · Jul 21, 2025, 6:56 PM

[hollow night]

The article isn't accurate. The report didn't corroborate the UN findings. Instead it is entirely based on those findings and investigates what those findings mean for the association agreement when taken at face value.

[turbid hollow]

Yep, the article is not accurate.
The report does not have to corroborate UN and humanitarian orgs reports/findings it is based on, because they are not in doubt by sane people ["Relying on facts verified and by and assessments made by independent international institutions.."].

[queen marsh]

Thread of pro-Israel publications publishing arguments that the UN is responsible for starvation in Gaza, made by the government who slaughtered and obstructed the UN aid mission over the past 2 years:
https://x.com/infinite__jaz/status/1947774708121801161

jasper nathaniel (@infinite__jaz)

Oh I see—it's a coordinated rollout: the IDF, GHF, and complicit outlets like @Jerusalem_Post are all pushing the new line: yes, there's starvation, but it’s the UN’s fault for refusing to play nice with the GHF. Expect this talking point to be everywhere soon.

X · Jul 22, 2025, 9:44 PM

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/SangitaMyska/status/1948698711007076723

Sangita Myska (@SangitaMyska)

Israeli Govt appears to be paying Google to place propaganda accusing UN for “deliberate sabotage” of humanitarian efforts in Gaza by failing to distribute aid. It does not mention the 766 people shot dead at US-Israel backed GHF aid distribution sites.

Seen today on YouTube.

X · Jul 25, 2025, 10:55 AM

[austere jolt]

CW close image of a human in starvation from a propaganda post || https://x.com/israel/status/1950259113948070197 ||

Israel ישראל (@Israel)

A real man.
A fake claim.

📸 41-year-old Mohammad al-Hasanat didn’t die of starvation — he suffered from untreated diabetes and died from complications of severe hypercatabolism.

But his image is now being used to smear Israel.

This isn’t compassion.
It’s manipulation.

Don’t

X · Jul 29, 2025, 6:16 PM

[austere jolt]

https://fixupx.com/briantashman/status/1951325158813159661?

Brian Tashman (@briantashman)

Israel is dropping the term “hasbara” to describe its propaganda efforts and replacing it with “toda’a” (consciousness)
︀︀
︀︀Also plans to spend tens of millions on “influencers and policymakers”

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FixupX · Aug 1, 2025, 4:52 PM

[turbid hollow]

Here is a bit of debunking of the "evidence" used in the attempted character assassination [like #1160132507472244839 message] against Tony Aguilar: https://x.com/Villgecrazylady/status/1951427152835924062

Mel (@Villgecrazylady)

Just took a trip down to my county courthouse to check out this supposed “arrest record” for myself.

I knew something wasn’t right for a multitude of reasons:

1. The zip code on that address is a Ft Bragg zip code not a Sanford one.

2. Duke Lane doesn’t exist.

3. Arrest

X · Aug 1, 2025, 11:37 PM

[queen marsh]

That guy is engaged in a very low effort smear campaign... doesn't even bother connecting his bogus claims to the testimony.

https://x.com/IsraelinNewYork/status/1951304202468180289?t=P8D0pZxMUaeuBPKE-ABqXA&s=19
References to "fake photos", attempt to pass their slaughter of civilians off on Hamas.

Israel in New York (@IsraelinNewYork)

Hamas lies. Israel delivers.

While Hamas and its supporters flood the world with fake photos and blood libels - Israel has facilitated over 4.4 BILLION lbs of humanitarian aid into Gaza.

Now lighting up Times Square:
Because the truth matters.

Consul General in New York

X · Aug 1, 2025, 3:29 PM

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/jasontoney_/status/1953448502899380689

Jason Toney (@jasontoney_)

A new poll from Angus Reid.

It is True that Israel obstructs aid. It is False that Hamas is systematically stealing it.

This survey result shows the impact of Israeli disinformation being laundered by our media elites.

Reporting "Israel says [insert lie]" is not journalism.

X · Aug 7, 2025, 1:29 PM

[austere jolt]

https://vxtwitter.com/acyn/status/1953507884769456589?

https://x.com/nytimespr/status/1953573569230999734

Acyn (@Acyn)

Netanyahu: The New York Times should be sued. I am looking whether a country can sue The New York Times. I am looking into it right now. I think it is such clear defamation.

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Aug 7, 2025, 5:25 PM

NYTimes Communications (@NYTimesPR)

X · Aug 7, 2025, 9:46 PM

[austere jolt]

https://fixupx.com/evanhill/status/1953659918277312729

https://www.bild.de/politik/ausland-und-internationales/gestellte-gaza-bilder-dieser-fotograf-inszeniert-hamas-propaganda-689069205bfd36554e9e6806?t_ref=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2F

Evan Hill (@evanhill)

This absurd story from @BILD seems to have caused the below image to go viral: www.bild.de/politik/ausland-und-internationales/gestellte-gaza-bilder-dieser-fotograf-inszeniert-hamas-propaganda-689069205bfd36554e9e6806?t_ref=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2F.
︀︀
︀︀BILD reporters allege without evidence that photographer Anas Fteiha somehow faked the images of these hungry people simply by virtue of photographing them.

Quoting Ihab Hassan (@IhabHassane)
︀
This photo has been circulating since this morning as supposed “proof” of staged hunger in Gaza. But where exactly is the “staging” here? It’s just a photographer capturing people waiting for a charity meal (Tikyya).
︀︀
︀︀The attempts to deny starvation in Gaza are unbelievable.

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FixupX · Aug 8, 2025, 3:29 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/aug/08/palestinians-gaza-bluesky-spam

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/lindseyhilsum/status/1954656899497869766

Lindsey Hilsum (@lindseyhilsum)

Story of a death foretold: a few weeks before Israeli forces killed him, ⁦@CPJMENA⁩ called for Anas Al-Sharif’s protection in face of Israeli smears - Committee to Protect Journalists https://t.co/8gTV3HhE8Q

X · Aug 10, 2025, 9:31 PM

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1954649458697761172

IDF justified his murder along 4 others with the same phony excel sheet of names it used when it kill Hossam Shabbat and many others. Almost no journalists remain.

Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian)

The IDF confirms carrying out a strike in Gaza City, killing Anas al-Sharif, an Al Jazeera reporter who the military says is a "terrorist operating under the guise of a journalist."

"The terrorist Anas al-Sharif served as a cell leader in the Hamas terror organization and

X · Aug 10, 2025, 9:02 PM

[queen marsh]

As with the murder of Ismail al Ghoul, the document shared by the IDF purporting he was a combatant itself casts doubt on their justification. In al Ghoul's case they alleged he became an elite member of Al Qassam Brigades at the age of 10, in al-Sharif's case they claim he was deemed unfit for service due to injury.
https://x.com/YoelH5/status/1954708456113377685?t=pbdlLqGUi4ZJAGeWvywBjg&s=19

Yoel. H (@YoelH5)

על פניו ההודעה של דו"צ דובר האנגלית מפלילה אותו עצמו בניסיון שהוא מבצע להפליל את אנאס.

דו"צ לשיטתו מעלה מסמך בו הוא מראה שאנאס נפגע באוזניו ובעינו בתחילת 23 ויצא מכשירות לפני שההשמדת והרעבת עז...

X · Aug 11, 2025, 12:56 AM

[queen marsh]

A good retrospective of how WSJ, NYT and other IDF-linked US media reported on Israel's smear campaigns against aid organizations, employed to make Gaza incapable of supporting human life. https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/ep-226-the-importance-of-seriousness-or-why/id1258545975?i=1000720922744

And the dissembly continues today. For instance, the NYT reporter Patrick Kingsley has pushed the view that Israel's premeditated plan to destroy UNRWA, block aid and deprive Palestinians in Gaza until they die or leave (explicitly said by top gov ministers) as a "failure to plan" for a post-Hamas Gaza and establish a "transitional government."

[knotty tundra]

Do you have the link?

[queen marsh]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/21/world/middleeast/shootings-aid-gaza-analysis.html

In his most recent report on Gaza starvation he gives space for Israel's long-debunked lie that they were concerned about Hamas diverting aid, without mentioning that IDF sources told his own paper this was a pretext and that every major aid organization on the ground has called it a lie: https://www.nytimes.com/article/israel-gaza-aid.html

[knotty tundra]

https://www.972mag.com/israel-gaza-journalists-hamas-hasbara/

‘Legitimization Cell’: Israeli unit tasked with linking Gaza journalists to Hamas
Treating the media as a battlefield, a secretive army intelligence squad scoured Gaza for material to bolster Israeli hasbara — including questionable claims that would justify the killing of Palestinian reporters.

[edgy spruce]

Great podcast.

[knotty tundra]

Scroll up two posts, please.
EDIT: you do not appear to be around anymore, so I deleted it for you.

[austere jolt]

🧵 https://bsky.app/profile/paleofuture.bsky.social/post/3lwnjbnzjzs2x

Matt Novak (@paleofuture.bsky.social)

I’m kind of speechless with this one. I can’t imagine the kind of person who continues to make the argument that it doesn’t count as real starvation if the kids were already sick.

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[queen marsh]

Matthew Miller admits the Biden administration repeatedly decieved the world about who was at fault for endless ceasefire negotiations:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-official-netanyahu-sabotaged-deals-but-calling-him-out-wouldve-helped-hamas/
Which begs the question... Is there good reason to believe that he is telling the truth now, and that the Biden admin wanted one at all?

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/derJamesJackson/status/1959940877360533848

James Jackson (@derJamesJackson)

Israel is posting adverts on YouTube about “the restaurant scene in Gaza”, where the UN declared a top category famine

X · Aug 25, 2025, 11:28 AM

[turbid hollow]

I do not know if this is disinfo. It sounds like it may be
https://fixupx.com/yipengGe/status/1960000536398180457

EDIT: See this for additional context and a separate confirmation: #israel-palestine message

Yipeng Ge 葛义朋 (@yipengGe)

Important update about the Nasser Medical Complex bombing by Israel today. From an international healthcare volunteer on the ground working in Nasser, all of the international NGO workers were pulled this morning for a mandatory @WHO lecture about gender violence at the WHO house, and the Israeli hit on Nasser happened just after. The internationals have been advised not to return to Nasser. The 4th floor of the hospital and the grounds of the emergency room were hit.

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FixupX · Aug 25, 2025, 3:25 PM

[queen marsh]

Yipeng Ge volunteered in Gaza and has close ties to many others who did as well.

[turbid hollow]

The idea of WHO having knowledge of the strike ahead of time and evacuating only just international NGO workers is disturbing.
I'd like to have some kind of additional confirmation before I believe this.

EDIT: See this for additional context and a separate confirmation: #israel-palestine message

[knotty dawn]

If it were me, I would first find out whether Israel was aware of the lecture in advance rather than assume that the WHO pulled it's employees out so that Israel could bomb the place. (Which is what I understand from your post).

[knotty tundra]

Please remember this is not the place for opinion or speculation.

[knotty dawn]

I edited my reply. I hope this time it fits better.
(Which is what I meant with the first post, but I should have phrased it better).

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1961321397055082970

Muhammad Shehada (@muhammadshehad2)

🚨Israel is trying to manufacture consent for raiding & destroying Nasser hospital, claiming it has a "secret [Hamas] armored base"

Israel raided Nasser in Feb 2024, inspected every inch of it thoroughly & NEVER found any evidence of captives ever being held there or a Hamas HQ!

X · Aug 29, 2025, 6:53 AM

[turbid hollow]

This post by Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib is somewhat old,
but still - by 2025-05-17 UAE provided less then 2% of all aid to Gaza, based on COGAT data.
Not 42%.
https://x.com/afalkhatib/status/1923520694240833722

Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib (@afalkhatib)

Immense gratitude to the UAE foreign ministry and to the incredible Sheikh @ABZayed for the medical evacuations of patients out of Gaza. I was blessed & honored to have helped several Gazans get on these mercy flights to save lives and assist folks access medical care. The UAE

X · May 16, 2025, 11:27 PM

[stray salmon]

Between Israel and the UAE, that's a hard call to make.

[austere jolt]

https://www.dw.com/en/israel-propaganda-downplays-gaza-food-scarcity-fact-check/a-73875380

[austere jolt]

https://readsludge.com/2025/09/15/democratic-pr-firm-to-run-bot-army-for-israel/

[austere jolt]

https://archive.li/k2kgF
https://fixupx.com/politico/status/1968108455090180531

POLITICO (@politico)

Democratic megafirm SKDK drops Israel as client ow.ly/xqf5106lTkA

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FixupX · Sep 17, 2025, 12:23 AM

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/malonebarry/status/1968705879512952973
Two years on and a different US president, but same atrocity propaganda from the presidency.

Barry Malone (@malonebarry)

Trump says babies were "chopped up to pieces" on October 7th.

I just watched the entire AP feed and Robert Peston, who asked the question, did not push back on that blatant lie. Nor did any other journalist in the room.

X · Sep 18, 2025, 3:57 PM

[austere jolt]

https://www.trtafrika.com/english/article/aff15d020316

[knotty tundra]

https://www.972mag.com/israeli-army-3d-propaganda-animations/

How a Scottish maritime museum ended up in Israel’s 3D propaganda videos
An analysis of dozens of Israeli army animations, used to justify Gaza strikes and amplified by international outlets, discovered digital assets sourced not from classified intelligence but commercial libraries and content creators.

[knotty tundra]

Thread about the same. More articles linked. https://bskye.app/profile/jacksapoch.bsky.social/post/3m2p4ghkft22i

[gray locust]

Incredible work

[slender cedar]

yes, but also did people believe these animations were real 3D scans from inside enemy infrastructure? how?

[gray locust]

Confirmation bias is the term for this, you have to read into the studies

[lost prism]

no you don't understand, what they're saying is that these videos lack real details, the details are fake

such renders should be based on real intelligence, there should be no details that aren't true, otherwise it should be stated.

you can build 3D models out of testimonies like this one: https://youtube.com/shorts/jjcFxRsfUyw

or 3D models by forensic-architecture like this: https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-killing-of-hind-rajab and others

they are straight to the point, not trying to mislead or add details taken straight out of 3D scenes made by artists

what Israel released is basically fake models, it's not the the models are models and not real footage, it's that the models are fake. Their details taken off of artistic videos from the internet

It's basically AI slop, not based on anything, and we're not told that

[slender cedar]

I don't understand this. CNN didn't scan the inside of that Israeli military facility either. The beds are exemplary 3D models from an artist, not 3D models of the actual beds in that facility. So where is the difference regarding visualisation exactly?

[lost prism]

if the testimonies had no beds and they added the beds it would be on the same level as the Israeli videos

if they had made the beds have different characteristic because they took them from a game, it would be on the same level

if they had added torture equipment in the background taken right off of a SAW 3D game, it would be on the same level

consider this scene, the Israelis took two elements from the same 3D scene, and used them in different videos

And CNN admits how they got their model, from testimonies

we have no idea how Israel got theirs, it could be based on real footage they took in secret but as these studies point out, the details are completely made up

there are standards to do this, and they failed the standard

if I was a professor and they're the students I would have given them an F if not suspension as what they did is Plagiarism

[lost prism]

There are videos where you don't even know what's real, as everything is completely made up, what are they illustrating exactly?

It's deception, gives the illusion that they have strong intelligence that coverers even the smallest of details when in reality the details are just taken off of 3D models available online

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1977748844386337041

Muhammad Shehada (@muhammadshehad2)

Israel kept calling him an "innocent civilian hostage" who worked for Nvidia.

Now it turns out Avinatan Or was an IDF Sayeret Matkal (elite) soldier!

Without lies, Israel dies!

X · Oct 13, 2025, 2:50 PM

[lone jay]

Related resources:

https://archive.org/details/webofdeceitmisin0000unse/mode/2up

https://propagandacritic.com/

https://www.usmcu.edu/Outreach/Marine-Corps-University-Press/MCU-Journal/JAMS-vol-12-no-1/Political-Warfare-and-Propaganda/

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1979751776317501838?t=FFwuYfLblgpYKxmlET481Q&s=19

Andrew Fox is this purveyor of pro-Israel disinfo: https://aoav.org.uk/2024/flawed-critique-how-andrew-foxs-report-for-the-henry-jackson-society-on-gaza-death-toll-lacks-evidence-for-key-claims/

Bruno Maçães (@MacaesBruno)

Sky News is presenting an Israeli propagandist (almost certainly a paid propagandist) as a genuine football fan. Journalism is dead (and buried)

X · Oct 19, 2025, 3:29 AM

He was also previously at the pro-Israel think tank the Henry Jackson Society, which aided Israeli efforts to discredit the UN:
https://www.thecanary.co/long-read/2025/06/13/israel-henry-jackson-society/

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/AnnelleSheline/status/1980664853326094500

Dr. Annelle Rodriguez Sheline (@AnnelleSheline)

.@ForeignAffairs published "Who Is to Blame for the Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza?" by Israeli Ambassador @yechielleiter

They did absolutely no fact checking

The following 🧵from Alex Smith @Alexand74195770, who resigned from USAID over Gaza, details the errors

X · Oct 21, 2025, 3:57 PM

[edgy spruce]

How do they (and this guy in particular) keep getting away with it? Mind boggling

[hollow night]

Being a former elite soldier still makes him a civilian when he was kidnapped at the Nova music festival. It's understandable, that this info wasn't released while he was still held hostage.
He worked for Nvidia since 2022 after getting his university degree:
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/hjos2bc6ee#google_vignette

[unique night]

Almost every able-bodied Israeli serves in the reserves at some point, including elite units if they qualify, so you could potentially say almost every Israeli was a legitimate military target if you wanted to make all Israelis valid targets of terrorism or military action. This isn't always apparent to those from countries where being in the military, even the reserves, is a choice and not a national mandate

[queen marsh]

https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1984722415352787268

Ramy Abdu| رامي عبده (@RamAbdu)

🚨 شاهدوا كيف تنخرط الولايات المتحدة في سياسة التجويع والإبادة الجماعية التي تنتهجها إسرائيل.

أولاً، تمكنت هذه الطائرات الأميركية من دون طيار من رصد شاحنة واحدة يُزعم أنها تعرضت للسرقة — ل...

X · Nov 1, 2025, 8:41 PM

US CENTCOM posts video of people "suspected" to be Hamas members looting an aid truck, despite unlikely context.

[austere jolt]

🧵 https://www.threads.com/@kiandria/post/DRAERbtjsJ0

[knotty tundra]

Hi, can you explain what the disinformation about this conflict is?

[austere jolt]

it's about alleged scammers posing as fund-rasing for palestinians but keeping the money. Specifically targetting black personalities online

[hollow night]

https://x.com/MarkZlochin/status/1998833664340435010

Mark Zlochin - מארק זלוצ'ין༝ (@MarkZlochin)

No, UNICEF didn't say that "9,300 children were hospitalized”, but that this is the number of children with acute malnutrition identified in screenings.

Fewer than 1% – just 61 out of 9,284 – actually required hospitalization.

All the rest – over 99% of those children – were

X · Dec 10, 2025, 7:14 PM

[queen marsh]

The "rage-baiting propaganda" being alleged seems to be a rather mundane misreading of the report. It's also unclear what the propaganda value would be here, it changes nothing about Israel's culpability how the children are medically treated, and the diagnosis itself already explains the severity of their conditions e.g "acute".

[manic bridge]

I see your point on the political interpretation dimension, however, if we are sticking to the facts, saying that 9.300 children were hospitalized while in reality it were just 61 still ist just misinformation. And even if we might agree with the ends doesn't mean we should not be unsceptical of the means (imo)

[queen marsh]

Yes, it is inaccurate. I am talking about the motivation being assigned to the post, which doesn't seem to hold up to scrutiny for the reasons I mentioned.

[pastel apex]

Yeah we've had this issue for a while with the disinfo channels

Editorial oversight =! Disinformation

It's really hard to know intent unless it comes from a well known disinfo outlet like RT

[pastel apex]

We're gonna have to come up with some new guidance on how to use these channels

[austere jolt]

🧵https://bsky.app/profile/michaelhobbes.bsky.social/post/3mlya53n7o22g

Michael Hobbes (@michaelhobbes.bsky.social)

Bari Weiss's website keeps publishing these "debunkers" that don't actually debunk anything. As far as I can tell, their only argument is that the NYT is biased against Israel.

-# How ‘The New York Times’ Laundered a Conspiracy
Matti Friedman and Dan Senor discuss how Nicholas Kristof’s ‘New York Times’ column reflects a press corps that increasingly sees activism as its core mission.

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Bluesky · May 16, 2026, 4:07 PM

[wanton anchor]

I’m not sure how this would classify as “disinformation” in any way ? The article this bluesky post is referring to is a discussion between two established authors who put forward a number of arguments and points for debate. One doesn’t have to agree with them, and what they put forward is certainly up for debate - but that’s the key thing: it’s a debate. And a healthy ‘frictious’ debate is essential to democratic society/ a democratic information environment.
And a key point made by one of the discussants in this piece is literally that this issue needs to be investigated more - a position which generally helps to combat disinformation.

[wanton anchor]

Look at these two quotes by M Friedman I pulled out of the article in question for example:

“When you read the piece [Kristoff’s NYT Op-ed] , you have to use your own compass to decide which charges could plausibly be true and which charges come from the world of conspiratorial, anti-Israel fantasy. I think there is a plausible reason for concern about sexual assaults of prisoners. I don’t think we can dismiss every account of sexual assaults against Palestinian detainees.”

“It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t investigate credible allegations of sexual assault. I remain concerned about the people in charge of detention facilities and law enforcement in Israel. I do not have complete faith that the right people are running this, to be honest, or that we’re pursuing every allegation of misdeeds by our own soldiers.”

There’s enough wrong with our information environment, at a very fundamental, structural level. But to simply file
an article/a discussion as ‘disinformation - when it in fact highlights the need for a nuanced, thorough treatment of the issue in question, through proper investigation - does not help.