Israel-Palestine 2023 War News

[real lodge]

Content Warning: ⛔️ Graphic Descriptions in a New Yorker article of the attack on Be’eri and the recovery the survivors, Yarden Roman Gat Brother’s quote “We’ll have to build something out of the wreckage of these two peoples,” is particularly moving given the details of the attack’s aftermath that Yossi Landau the ZAKA emergency responder describes || https://web.archive.org/web/20231021233753/https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/the-devastation-of-beeri ||

[thick spruce]

Al Jazeera is reporting that there has been an air strike in the West Bank

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/21/israel-gaza-war-hamas-and-israel-spar-over-hostage-release

[glacial leaf]

Wow

[sage parrot]

https://twitter.com/idfonline/status/1715880632486682937

seem to have either been a highly targetted/precision airstrike or part of a larger op

[tight kernel]

The account of the family who was able to stop the fire from entering the safe room is the most metal thing I have ever heard in my life. Wow I would not be that smart under pressure

[real lodge]

Yep. I guess most of the safe rooms weren’t really safe rooms but more bunkers since they don’t lock from the inside and are more for rocket and mortar attack protection. It’s also the first time I saw survivors referencing the attackers might have been using amphetamines or other narcotics. The attackers also brought camera equipment and documented the entire massacre. So if anyone encounters anything regarding this particular attack location please take care

[glacial leaf]

Anyone noticing that US Navy plane in a holding pattern off the coast of Israel/Lebanon/Cyprus?

[hoary wasp]

yeah, a P-8 Poseidon maritime surveillance aircraft, probably tracking naval and air movements on the Israel/Lebanon border to support Israeli operations I believe

similar mission profile to the maritime surveillance the US Navy has been carrying out regularly on the Black Sea

[nocturne void]

I've understood that the idf found cocaine and other drugs on dead hamas terrorists

[grand fiber]

Do you have any evidence for that claim?

[nocturne void]

I'll check who posted about it

[nocturne void]

https://twitter.com/Gloz111/status/1712733413893877909?t=_FvKLSI0grEGZP30OEqP5g&s=19

it seems to be a video of israeli civilians that are going thru cars used by the terrorists
the man in the video is saying "we found a truck of this (referring to hamas) with lots of equipment and cocaine"

it was also reported by n12 according to maariv that many terrorists took captagon

[thick shadow]

re: captagon: https://fxtwitter.com/yossi_melman/status/1714981829105553594

[orchid nymph]

https://vxtwitter.com/sakirkhader/status/1715857127179157838?s=46

https://vxtwitter.com/alnaouqa/status/1716005074835546201?s=46

[hot glade]

Warning: very graphic article and pictures showing ||charred victims' body parts and more || - evidence from Israeli forensic pathologists. ||https://themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/||

[orchid nymph]

It is indeed graphic.

Can you please clarify what this specifically contributes to the discussion?

[hot glade]

I thought it might be useful to researchers here is all but can delete if you don't think it's relevant.

[valid sapphire]

https://fxtwitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1716058493055041725?t=dc9JKS2FuYI4IBRTPs63KA&s=19

[orchid nymph]

cocaine does not seem plausable

[orchid nymph]

No, it’s more likely as shared before, captagon.

[orchid nymph]

A peer raised a good point that the article discusses the forensics process. And I agree. Since it goes into the more clinical aspect, versus being simply graphic content for biasing or persuading, it makes sense to keep.

Thank you for sharing it. I agree that it could be useful for other researchers as you intended.

[pulsar falcon]

Captagon is highly plausible given the previous history of abuse by combatants in ME

[valid sapphire]

Military s use of amphetamines and co is ww known. Cocaine, agree, doesn't make sense

[stark stream]

Not strictly airstrike related so I thought I would put it here: a gigantic smoke cloud on the lebanese border:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz5wMd4PSGM

[tight kernel]

Hey Chris, this is for breaking news, can you put this in #israel-palestine thanks!

[wicked nimbus]

https://fxtwitter.com/Faytuks/status/1716113513507066143

[hoary wasp]

https://vxtwitter.com/IDF/status/1716115527255355505?s=20

confirmation from the IDF itself now

[real lodge]

The people who found it may not know the difference. Chris mentioned captagon, way more likely it’s that or a derivative. Here’s some context on that narcotic. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/04/10/middleeast/syria-drugs-bargaining-chip-mime-intl/index.html

[tight kernel]

Thanks, I don't know anything about this

It described it as a “financial lifeline” for Assad that is “worth approximately three times the combined trade of the Mexican (drug) cartels.” WHAT

[real lodge]

Narcotics are big business all over the world. Especially when a country is sanctioned.

[orchid nymph]

Yea it’s one of the main income streams for the Assad regime.

[pastel mountain]

Yep. DPRK does the same (censored the article to stop embed since it's a derail, nothing explicit there) ||https://dw.com/en/north-korea-ramps-up-manufacture-of-illegal-drugs-amid-sanctions/a-40169753||

[blazing oracle]

embeds can also be disabled by encasing the url in in < and > btw

[orchid nymph]

https://vxtwitter.com/jacobmagid/status/1716138454700982764?s=46

[wicked nimbus]

https://fxtwitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1716158955305484306

[orchid nymph]

Somebody posted the aftermath of the Israeli attack on Nuseirat Camp (maybe, @shut ocean?) But here's the geolocation: 31.449130753136874, 34.39098190070347.

Source link: https://twitter.com/Timesofgaza/status/1715797054599889317

Pictures from the day after via https://twitter.com/JabWahrheit/status/1716167736902963349

[glacial leaf]

Eyes on Al-Quds Hospital?

[orchid nymph]

What is happening now at Al-Quds?

[glacial leaf]

2 days ago it was warned to evacuate and reports Israel may strike it

[orchid nymph]

https://vxtwitter.com/theCCR/status/1716057251465625793

same location sas that i geolocated two days ago.

which is quite basically from the position of the Al-Quds hospital.

Blast is heard at 1:22 in this video, by the way.

another one at 1:35.

(31.50600154830073, 34.43008326437833 for those who didn't save the coordinates the last time)

[orchid nymph]

Tel al Hawa today was also the neighborhood that this journalist was here, @glacial leaf: https://www.radiofrance.fr/franceinter/guerre-israel-hamas-le-journaliste-roshdi-sarraj-fixeur-palestinien-de-radio-france-tue-a-gaza-7458839

[nocturne void]

how come?

[nocturne void]

iirc Jordan bombed or threatened to bomb Syria over the drug trade their a while back

[clear olive]

Summary of today's situation. Graphic video of bombings, skyline view. ||https://www.instagram.com/p/CyuFsT4okPf/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==||

ahmedeldin

Israel just bombed another hospital.

At least 286 Palestinians were killed in Israeli air attacks on Gaza in the last 24 hours, not counting the 30 people killed in the Jabalia refugee camp in the last two hours.

Israeli air raids in the last hours on the vicinity of the Indonesian. Hospital in Gaza's northern city of Beit Lahia have caused "s...

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[dire summit]

Mate.....content warning on that too please.
There is some distressing videos in the suggested links.
You know the drill.... we shouldn't have to keep stipulating this.

[clear olive]

And aftermath of a UN school bombing this evening. Graphic video of situation after the bombing. ||https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyspzRrLW-O/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==||

ahmedeldin

Israeli airstrikes bomb Arafat tower in Nassser neighborhood and a residential building adjacent to a UN school, which is a shelter for hundreds of displaced families & children, in Khan Younis.

This is a war crime. This is unconscionable, and yet it’s the thousandth such strike.

With each strike, Israel is committing, unspeakable war, crimes...

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[clear olive]

It seems twitter/X is also censoring some accounts as here is reported by Pal_ActionUS https://twitter.com/Pal_ActionUS/status/1716205445323378699?t=74IQ5y56YI9d5f5jgwRE8Q&s=19

[wicked nimbus]

That's just the nature of software being flakey. As far as I recall there has never been other case of not allowing you to follow someone on Twitter/X.

Or it could be a simple follow bait. The account went from 6k followers to 15k followers since 6h ago.

[orchid nymph]

I'd seen previous (unrelated) allegations of large accounts losing followers. Only saw two accounts I followed where for unexplained reasons I was no longer (appeared as suggestions).

There are some whose numbers suddenly drop in single digit thousands but nothing to causally suggest how or why.

[wicked nimbus]

Bots getting banned usually.

[velvet bison]

I'm not sure but it does also appear they may be shadow banned, if you try searching the username in the search bar it doesn't appear in the preview pane

obviously, you'll just have to trust I haven't altered this image. Try it for yourself

Their follower count has increased from around 15k to 26.6K in the past hour or so though, and it says they joined october 2023 so it could just be some kind of discovery limit on X's side

But like @wicked nimbus I'm unsure on if it's a bug or not

[livid dust]

there was that issue of likes disappearing on Pekka's vatniksoup on Elon Musk. I don't think there was a comment from Twitter on what has happened there. It can be easily explained by bugs in spam/bots detection system or something like that

[wicked nimbus]

Ok you're right about the search suggestion ban, I've tried it myself.

[velvet bison]

right, the search suggestion ban makes it seem slightly more likely that this is a targeted thing

for two things to break on this specific account is unusual, well aside from the fact that it's twitter post Musk

[livid dust]

true, but spam/bot detection may also trigger shadow banning. bugs and stupidity is often a more likely explanation than conspiracy

[bitter pulsar]

This video jumps from day to night abruptly a few minutes before the time you mentioned. I know where the camera is in the day footage. The night part may be from the same place. Some here have voiced that we shouldn't reveal those locations here. I will differ to to the concensus on whether I should say.

[formal musk]

FWIW if there's a chance that by revealing the location of the camera we are putting someone at risk, Bellingcat won't publish it. We'd also consider if by revealing the location we risk the authorities shutting down the feed.

[bitter pulsar]

Mum am I then.

[bitter hollow]

Ok, thanks for info and thoughtful considerations. I've found couple sync points for Al-Ahli related events in that footage (N12 / k1 explosion and the intercept missile explosion), but without coordinates I'm not sure that would be very useful.

[bitter pulsar]

Others have located these cameras. Just be sure to verify on you own when you see someone claiming where these locations are that things line up; there are quite a few folks out there peddling bunk ass geolocations.

[valid sapphire]

i send him here, i didnt know that

[bitter pulsar]

My first hot take on where this camera was is bunk for instance.

[clear olive]

Yes, however Instagram and tiktok are actively censoring Palestinian content. So it's not so conspiratorial to think this could be happening to activists accounts on X. Could @orchid nymph_ActionUS follower X count be much higher in case that wasn't happening, or does it represent the amount of people who tried to follow the account? If there are ways to check that somehow... ?

[grand fiber]

Is there any evidence of targeted censorship that cannot be explained by an attempt to prevent the spread of graphic content?

[clear olive]

There is the case of changing the translation on IG's bio which had already been posted here. That is not censorship, but it shows targeting specific accounts. Reports of censorship have not been proven but they are being discussed a lot on these platforms as far as I can see from browsing (many complaints of shadowbanning on IG and educational content on tiktok being removed -I'll see if I find again the specific cases). Could be to prevent spread of graphic content in some cases, but that's not public information either as far as I know ? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/oct/20/instagram-palestinian-user-profile-bios-terrorist-added-translation-meta-apology

[grand fiber]

I don't think the example you're listing can be considered evidence of targeting specific accounts. Neural machine translation can fail in bizarre ways when prompted with specific phrases. This is especially the case for languages that have been underrepresented in the training data.

[thick shadow]

reports of turkey throwing out hamas leadership:
https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1716388150962995237
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/10/eying-gaza-mediator-role-turkey-cools-hamas-ties-erdogan-restrains-rhetoric

[umbral topaz]

Everytime I look at the account the follow could is wildly different. Y'day it was 1k this morning it was 8k and now it's showing me 2k. But it has kept my follow for them. But honestly since Elon took over I've noticed only the latest version of the app is "reliable" and I don't have that version.

[grand fiber]

A reminder for everyone:

Do not post any of the footage (or similar materials) in this server. Any violations of that rule will have consequences.

[wicked nimbus]

What footage?

[formal musk]

Original message was deleted, no worries

[topaz oriole]

Some info so it doesn't happen again?

[wicked nimbus]

Yeah so but what footage is not allowed?

[formal musk]

Very graphic footage

as per the #rules

[topaz oriole]

gotcha

thnx

https://t.me/eidkonimna/20917 ```IDF spokesperson

Regular and reserve IDF soldiers are conducting a series of trainings in order to improve the readiness and competence of the forces to maneuver in the Gaza Strip. The fighters and commanders, who arrived determined and highly motivated, train in brigade combat teams, which combine infantry forces, armor and other units in a number of patterns and in different scenarios.

At the same time, today in the early hours of the morning, additional cream vests were distributed to the reserve forces. So far, over ten thousand cream vests have been distributed and the IDF continues the procurement process.

These days, squadron commanders are meeting with division and brigade commanders in order to tighten cooperation between the air and ground forces. In these meetings, they delved into the descriptions, axes and the significant interface points, in order to ensure optimal cooperation. The forces also practiced the operational plans together.```

"Attached is documentation from reserve division battalion training: https://bit.ly/3Me4elt
Attached is documentation of the distribution of ceramic vests in the reserve division that took place today in the early hours of the morning: https://bit.ly/3tNQwja"

Hamas Media: ||https://t.me/qassambrigades/28712||

Scenes of Al-Zawari’s suicide planes, with which the Qassam Brigades targeted occupation targets deep within our occupied territories for the first time.

https://t.me/eidkonimna/20918 ```The fighting in the north: the alarm in Kiryat Shmona appears, following the firing of 2 anti-tank missiles at an IDF post, no casualties.

The IDF attacks in Lebanon.```

https://t.me/eidkonimna/20919 The fighting in the north: 2 anti-tank missiles towards Margaliot, the IDF attacks in Lebanon

[formal musk]

Hi! Please make sure to follow our #rules regarding the sharing of violent/graphic content.

I'm timing you out for one day.

[hoary wasp]

From The Guardian

[velvet bison]

can you link the live blog? I unnderstand if you can't link this post directly just makes it easier for people to find the source

[hoary wasp]

here it is, front page of The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/23/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-airstrikes-gaza-aid-rafah-border-crossing-egypt-white-house-joe-biden-latest-news

[velvet bison]

thank you @hoary wasp 🙏

[thick shadow]

maybe something for #1164712839206936688

[thick shadow]

https://fxtwitter.com/emanumiller/status/1716434509128765783

[wicked nimbus]

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/23/israel-gaza-war-marine-general-ground-operation

[velvet bison]

Interesting. https://vxtwitter.com/JacobMagid/status/1716485414989472116

[velvet bison]

https://apnews.com/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-10-21-23#0000018b-5ded-d08c-a9ff-dfed44510000

https://vxtwitter.com/UNRWA/status/1716521653545398323?s=20

[velvet bison]

Red Cross confirms https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinian-gaza-war-syria-lebanon-hamas-c0e7ec55428fedc97f75bdfdc0c0679a

[glacial leaf]

5,000+ Palestinians killed (Al Jazeera)

[mental remnant]

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1716589379299491991

FJ (@Natsecjeff)

The IDF SOF has been carrying out limited raids into Gaza almost every other day. I'm told there are multiple such raids taking place tonight as well. But a couple of sources tell me tonight's raids look a bit different. Let's see.

Twitter · Oct 23, 2023, 10:56 PM

[velvet bison]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-advises-israel-hold-off-gaza-invasion-keeps-hamas-mediator-qatar-loop-sources-2023-10-23/#:~:text=WASHINGTON%2C Oct 23 (Reuters),for a possible spillover in

[glacial leaf]

https://x.com/forensicarchi/status/1716530438397673717

"We are devastated to have received the news yesterday of the loss of our dear friend, respected collaborator and co-founder of Ain Media, Rushdi al-Sarraj, killed by a reported airstrike on his family home in Gaza City."

[tight kernel]

Oh that's terrible

[grand tapir]

Shielding his wife and daughter as well. Just terrible.

Just for additional info whilst the FA tweet says that there was an Israeli airstrike on his family home, the AJ comments from his father made it sound as if he was hit by shrapnel during heavy bombardment of the Tel al-Hawa neighbourhood. Unclear whether it was a direct strike on the property.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/23/another-palestinian-journalist-slain-in-an-israeli-airstrike-in-gaza

[topaz oriole]

Should we post northern border stuff in here too IE lebanon/Hezbollah activity?

ATGM's again from Lebanon <t:1698158580:R>

Source: https://t.me/Yediotnews/82696

not sure on the date of this image.

Source : ||https://t.me/a7rartullkarm/77769||

[tight kernel]

Can you link to where you found it?

[topaz oriole]

adding sources to posts.

[topaz oriole]

https://t.me/admma_news/83313

no meta data on creation time:

[tight kernel]

Thanks friend, can you put it in #israel-palestine instead?

[topaz oriole]

Visual Reports of Hamas rockets being fired towards Tel Aviv:

||https://t.me/jenencamb/24749 ||

Damage to the Be'er Yaakov settlement near Tel Aviv
Video Timestamp (meta data) <t:1698153720:R>

||https://t.me/jenencamb/24757||

⭕️ The moment the sirens sounded in Tel Aviv

Video Timestamp: (meta data) <t:1698156720:R>

[bitter pulsar]

Oops. My bad. Will do.

[topaz oriole]

What are the rules on Hamas official TG content? IE, video of them showing the rocket salvos

[formal musk]

As long as it doesn't break any of the #rules it's OK to share

[topaz oriole]

Hamas TG: ||https://t.me/qassam1brigades/36|| Rocket salvoes towards the occupied territories in response to the massacres against civilians
Video metadata timestamp:

<t:1698159540:R>

This was a rather large salvo, I'd be cautious about any of these potential failed rockets to be blamed on Israel

I have more footage that I've been trying to get ported with sources, but brain isn't brainulating as it normaly does.

[atomic ridge]

Have there been any breakdowns of the Israeli casualty numbers? (Civilians vs. military, etc in the 1400 killed)

[valid sapphire]

Times of Israel? released a number of soldiers a while ago. It was under 300. Not sure about the source.

[glacial leaf]

5,791+ Palestinians killed by Israel so far in the past 18 days (Al Jazeera)

[valid sapphire]

https://fxtwitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1716870929295286666?t=qqj7CSNweHdfCLLZVIL1QQ&s=19

[glacial leaf]

35 UNRWA volunteers have been killed by Israel in the last 18 days- half of the volunteers were teachers (UNRWA spokeswoman via AlJazeera)

[topaz oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/live/Ltw8mTaDq4c?si=IJangGv7dgNKFN__ this guy is apparently live streaming and was told by police to move because Hamas infiltrating the area.

[topaz oriole]

IDF made that Oct 7th 2023 telegram public with all the greusome footage. I'm sure those that need it have it already.

[valid sapphire]

https://youtu.be/OlOdM-qPCUI?feature=shared

[topaz oriole]

@valid sapphire It's a TG channel that has a brutal documentary of what Hamas did on Oct 7th. They made it press only yesterday, but made it open to public today.

With a lot of gore warnings.

I'm sure the Bellingcat people have access to it already, but if they don't I can DM it to them.

[valid sapphire]

There's no reason to harm people with footage. I don't understand that. Or the journalists who had to look at it. Without training or psych support.

[topaz oriole]

Indeed.

Why I'm not offering it to the general public.

The journalists that have looked at them knew what they were getting into. I wont be looking at them personally.

[old rover]

Exactly. No discussion to be had. Moving on!

[clear olive]

https://twitter.com/enur72/status/1716704150593958087?t=mwTVjDk3q818ENYRVrq4Pg&s=19

[spare egret]

Did a little mapping of some of the cyber actors involved, thoughts?

its WIP, not a finished product. wondering if anyone's done this in the public domain yet

[glacial leaf]

Thanks for linking his account. I noticed one of the "regular" You Tube account that mirrors streams had his feed for a little bit recently.

[glacial leaf]

I can't see all the words on your map and I'm not sure what categories you are putting on it. Looks like you are dividing it between pro Israel and pro Palestine but then I see red circles for countries and then I see websites and then I see terms so it's really confusing to me without a description. I'm also wondering what your rationale is for placing certain terms/countries/websites in whatever place you have them. For example, why is Ukraine on the pro Israel side? What is your definition of "cyber actors" ? What data did you review to pull from to make this map?

[spare egret]

Ah i just roughly networked the attributes of a scrape i did of articles on keywords related to the conflict from come CTI platforms.

[velvet bison]

See relevant discussion about this new NYT analysis in #1164615723755241472 https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-israel-hamas-video.html

[spare egret]

Grey nodes are various cyber threat actors, red are countries they are affiliated with. So with ukraine there’s a actor based or associated with ukraine who are doing pro israeli operations. Not that the state/government of ukraine is necessarily pro Israeli.

Green nodes are keywords or URLs associated with the actors

Note that this is incomplete. It’s a draft of an idea, will look at building an exhaustive one post feedback

[orchid nymph]

are you using in-degree to define node size?

[spare egret]

Yep

[neon ibex]

could it be possible to share the sources ? thanks! great job!

[warm nebula]

Maybe create two separate versions of it? One that has the relationships defined and then a simplified version that has grouping boxes. I’m stating this from my i2 analyst notebook days.

[torn osprey]

I'm surprised that Australia isn't a node.

[shut ocean]

https://fxtwitter.com/NewsNowPs/status/1717210000676774092?s=20 coordination
31°31'17.45"N 34°27'37.88"E

[spare egret]

I havent included state actors, these are non-state actors and the red nodes are where they are located

[spare egret]

Gonna be putting together a doc with all of that yeah

[torn osprey]

We have lots of lobbyist groups...
Our internet is tiered from the rest of the world, so, if you are scraping, it may pay using a VPN within Oz briefly.

[glacial leaf]

Al Jazeera correspondent Wael Dahdough's wife, daughter and son [Edit: and grandson] killed by Israel bombing of a house they had fled to. (Al Jazeera)

[spare egret]

You assume im not from here

[cosmic bloom]

I think not long after this: https://www.axios.com/2023/10/25/tony-blinken-qatar-israel-hamas

[glacial leaf]

Wow.

[stark stream]

Surely its more productive to just ask the Qataris to hand over the hamas upper echelon that is currently living in Qatar..

[hot axle]

https://vxtwitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1717278469099249907

[hot axle]

Update: https://vxtwitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1717277051948761412

[hot axle]

#middle_east-north_africa message XPOST NEW https://vxtwitter.com/kaisos1987/status/1717256347161440430
Saleh al-Aaruri, the number 2 of Hamas, says that the meeting with Nasrallah in Beirut took place yesterday

[grand tapir]

That’s never going to happen. Plus Blinken’s aim here is mostly to try and stop the conflict from spreading/causing issues across the broader ME (hence the focus on JA Arabic).

[wicked nimbus]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1717207652818673750

[idle hill]

https://vxtwitter.com/IDF/status/1717401249199329634?t=ytJsmgIRCA9dHDfwZRkYGQ&s=19

[glacial leaf]

Does anyone know the citizenship of the last two women released from Hamas? I only read that they "weren't dual citizens", but I don't know if that implied they were solely citizens of Israel.

[valid sapphire]

Israeli

[orchid nymph]

You are correct. I also geolocated it at the same spot and it matches.

The building that got hit is one of the buildings owned by a real estate agency/company called Al-Taj and this is one of the three Al-Taj buildings.

this area seems to have been entirely destroyed by the airstrike.

I do however on this incident want to give a warning to protect other people. I pieced together all of the footages on it and there's one particular video that's quite graphic. It can be distressing and I wouldn't want anybody to accidentally come across those without the needed precautions.

It happened to me once or twice that even on Twitter the initial tweet wasn't graphic only to scroll down the comments and see the most heartbreaking/horrifying footage.

[thick spruce]

I am not able to do so but thought others might want to check livestreams and save footage/clips given that this seems to have occurred relatively recently. Taken from Al Jazeera live updates. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/26/israel-hamas-war-live-un-ceasefire-bid-fails-as-gaza-death-toll-soars

[orchid nymph]

Thank you for sharing. I'll try to see if I can cross-reference it to open sources / available footage.

Off again. Speak to you all later.

[valid sapphire]

Linked to #1160893738973929493

[thick spruce]

Thanks, wasn’t quite sure where the best place to post was 🙂

[thick shadow]

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/10/26/hamas-delegates-arrive-in-moscow-for-talks-foreign-ministry-a82902

[glacial leaf]

https://x.com/sharifkouddous/status/1717598588098765299

"The health ministry in Gaza just published a 200+ page report with all the names, ID numbers, and ages of 7,028 Palestinians killed in Gaza from Oct 7 until Oct 26, 3pm. I wonder if news outlets will drop the "if verified" caveat now whenever citing Palestinian casualties."

[raven warren]

do you happen to have a link to the report itself?

welp found it https://www.palestinechronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/here.pdf

feels a bit weird to link a report with names and ID's but they intentionally released it for public viewing so i guess it's okay??

[formal musk]

Yes I think that's fine

It's an official document from a governing authority that was made public deliberately, so I think that's ok

[velvet bison]

Thanks I could not find this via googling

[velvet bison]

This is related and actually really helpful https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033

[glacial leaf]

Israel has killed 50 hostages in Gaza via airstrikes (Al Jazeera). I'm curious if others have come across additional info on this?

[grand tapir]

https://fxtwitter.com/AlexandravonNah/status/1717625968242602454?t=E9XXQe8qx7FZRLEhhquukQ&s=19

[crude meadow]

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-surveillance-post-in-eritrea-attacked:-sources-to-al

[real lodge]

Bellingcat and CIR in the news on CNN in an mixed media article Content Warning ⚠️ . The article ||https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/middleeast/hamas-attack-body-cam-videos-invs-dg/|| has video ||of militants being shot and likely dying, and also hostages being abused but the faces of the hostage are blurred|| but not bodies, etc. Good overview at explaining the propaganda angle Hamas is going for and changing nature of modern social media on these events. Dr. Gina Ligon's perspective is very interesting as well.

[misty cedar]

the voice calling "mom" (in hebrew) to lure victims is the most chilling thing i think i have ever heard.

[hot axle]

updated https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-770321

[glacial leaf]

I don't remember AJ reporting 50 hostages were executed. I also haven't heard any other reports either way, I'm not sure what evidence there is for anything other than the Hamas statement. The author of this article doesn't give any evidence either, aside for an overly general accusation that Hamas has a history of lying about this.

[bitter hollow]

About the statement by the Gaza’s Ministry of Health that 471 were killed in Al-Ahli hospital explosion - is it known if that statement was only about killed in the hospital explosion, or about all the (not less than) 15 strikes that happened ~7 minutes before and 11 minutes after the hospital explosion?

[turbid harbor]

https://independent.ng/france-deploys-one-lhd-two-frigates-to-the-eastern-mediterranean/

[hexed wharf]

https://www.cbs.gov.il/en

Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics is down

Due to the current security situation in Israel (Hamas – Israel war),The site will be blocked intermittently to users from abroad.We are at your service by email [email protected], and will try to reply as soon as possible.

[hexed wharf]

Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics is down

Or, blocked for non-Israeli users

[agile remnant]

what does ^ normally have?

[valid sapphire]

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2023/10/gaza-case-ceasefire

[agile remnant]

https://vxtwitter.com/kakasloi/status/1717939487282528287 sounds concerning also covered in

https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/27/internet-access-in-gaza-is-collapsing-as-isps-fall-offline/?guccounter=1

https://vxtwitter.com/netblocks/status/1717942556703551590

[neat panther]

The Palestinian Red Crescent also confirmed it

🚨 Palestinian Red Crescent:
—
We were completely cut off from communication with the operations room in the Gaza Strip. In light of the occupation authorities completely cutting off communications and the Internet, we are very concerned about the ability of our crews continuing to provide their ambulance services, especially since this interruption affects the central communication service 101 and hinders the arrival of ambulances to the injured and wounded.

Source: https://t.me/PalestineResist/16900

[valid sapphire]

This is cruel

[umbral pilot]

From CNN, per a IDF spokesperon:
10 min ago
Ground operations expanding in Gaza, Israel Defense Forces announced
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) announced Friday that they are "expanding ground operations" in the Gaza Strip, according IDF spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari.

The announcement comes as CNN reports a large series of explosions rocked Gaza City on Friday night.
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-27-23/h_72935d65be0808bbd8e419ef8929bc9a

[grand fiber]

Let's not start this type of commentary. It gets hard to draw a line.

[glacial leaf]

It's difficult to be numb when we are witnessing a genocide.

[grand fiber]

Please do not use this kind of language. The term genocide is a specific legal construct which may or may not be applicable here. So please don't.

[glacial leaf]

I will continue to use the term.

[grand fiber]

We've been very clear about not allowing this kind of commentary on the server. Linking to article discussing whether it constitutes genocide is different. But this way is not something we want to encourage.

So please follow this warning.

We are all trying our best to keep our personal opinions out of this, so I'd appreciate it if you extended the same courtesy to us.

[grand fiber]

This channel is for current events. Please post the article over in #israel-palestine.

Just to clarify, this reminder is about political commentary and opinions specifically, not about the particular choice of wording.

[shut ocean]

https://fxtwitter.com/TreyYingst/status/1717969326047637888?s=20

[rigid crag]

I'm trying to find the original source of this video: https://vxtwitter.com/UbaiAboudi/status/1717827798662812058

[velvet bison]

looks like some short form video platform

probably insta given the text box

[rigid crag]

Yeah that was my thought, looks like that account is deleted?
https://www.instagram.com/raneen_abahra/

[velvet bison]

Hrm

[thorny bolt]

not sure on insta searches but there may be posts going around going "X account got blocked"- there's a lot of that going about on insta at the moment.

[rigid crag]

This seems legit, matches this Google Maps picture of the memorial in Jenin
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Shireen+Abu+Akleh+Memorial/@32.4637078,35.2839355,3a,75.7y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipP1kG1F8BH367Yc-Hr5NoIWZRNVdPOCwueFjZNs!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipP1kG1F8BH367Yc-Hr5NoIWZRNVdPOCwueFjZNs%3Dw203-h152-k-no!7i1024!8i768!4m15!1m7!3m6!1s0x151cff8cc5d61b65:0xbce4345dde36e937!2sShireen+Abu+Akleh+Memorial!8m2!3d32.4637286!4d35.2838568!16s%2Fg%2F11t51dvcyc!3m6!1s0x151cff8cc5d61b65:0xbce4345dde36e937!8m2!3d32.4637286!4d35.2838568!10e5!16s%2Fg%2F11t51dvcyc?entry=ttu

[clear olive]

https://twitter.com/UN_News_Centre/status/1717992371906839005?t=aTDCVNnKlTwJ_eDRWlBk3A&s=19

BREAKING: UN General Assembly ADOPTS resolution on “protection of civilians and upholding legal and humanitarian obligations” on the ongoing Gaza crisis

FOR: 120
AGAINST: 14
ABSTAIN: 45

[real lodge]

Russia 🇷🇺

[valid sapphire]

t.me/raneenabahra

[velvet bison]

fwiw, I don't think any of the videos on the telegram are the video @rigid crag has

[valid sapphire]

I looked for the account, not the video.

[velvet bison]

yeah, just clarifying

[old rover]

No, but it looks like the same account. And it puts her in Jenin.

[velvet bison]

same with the twitter account I found but no video unfortunately

[valid sapphire]

I think she's a journo

Is it possible that they blocked Instagram?

[glacial leaf]

or banned/censored

[clear olive]

https://instagram.com/raneen.jour?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy5P0O8NvHy/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

raneen.jour

يخافون شيرين صوتًا وصورةً وشارعًا .. يخافون

Likes

457

Instagram

That's the original perhaps

She doesn't seem to be a journalist

[glacial leaf]

But she doesn't have to be to report the truth.

42% of housing in Gaza is uninhabitable (NBC)

[glacial leaf]

A USAF strike group w/ 900 troops have been sent to ME but the General speakings says "it's not related to what's going on w/ Israel" (Al Jazeera)

[grand tapir]

What’s the source on this? Wdym “USAF strike group”? Not exactly a term I’ve heard used.

[glacial leaf]

United State Air Force

[grand tapir]

Yeah I know what USAF is

[glacial leaf]

Al Jazeera English was airing a press conference of some US General who announced this.

[grand tapir]

But are we talking about an air wing? There’s no such thing as a “strike group” in the U.S. Air Force.

[grand tapir]

Any chance you could send a link? Would be interested to see. Plus is strange to be linking troop movements with the USAF.

[glacial leaf]

Interesting I was also just watching a USAF plane on Fight Tracker which left from Germay and flew under the southern point of Israel and then up north through Jordan along the border. Then I closed out the tab and when I reopened it, it wasn't listed as the #1 top watched flight anymore. Maybe a glitch on my end not to be able to pull it up again.

[glacial leaf]

I've been listening to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCNeDWCI0vo

So maybe if you went back 25 minutes or so-

[grand tapir]

Thx. Just a bit cautious as there was a lot of noise about US troop deployment today on X and it was an old video of the 101st in Romania.

Will check CENTCOM also, if there’s troop reassignment either from other COCOMs or within the AOR it should be listed there.

[glacial leaf]

idk what that is but sounds good

[grand tapir]

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3570670/us-military-continues-focus-on-supporting-israel-ukraine/

Deploying units include THAAD/PATRIOT/AVENGER batteries being assigned to CENTCOM in the Middle East. All of these are Air Defense units. Key quote is:

"I won't talk specific deployment locations for these forces, I can confirm that they are not going to Israel," Ryder said. The units and personnel are intended to support regional deterrence efforts and further bolster U.S. force protection capabilities."

Presumably bolstering force protection capabilities after the Missile attacks on US/Coalition bases and troops in Iraq and Syria recently and increasing air defense in case of further attacks.

[glacial leaf]

Ah, yes it was this guy speaking: Pentagon Press Secretary Air Force Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder

Also this: Ryder confirmed that the United States is sending two U.S. Iron Dome systems to Israel to help further bolster air defense capabilities and protect citizens from rocket attacks.

[grand tapir]

Yep

[rigid crag]

This is a very explicit call for ethnically cleansing the entirety of Gaza, from the former head of Israel's National Security Council

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sju3uabba

the second option is to create conditions where life in Gaza becomes unsustainable

The entire population of Gaza will either move to Egypt or move to the Gulf.

As a result, Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist, and I say this as a means rather than an end. I say this because there is no other option for ensuring the security of the State of Israel. We are fighting an existential war

[broken gorge]

seems theyre laying down every option on the table for how they want to deal with this situation

[velvet bison]

dealing in absolutes like this won't make Hamas go away

[orchid nymph]

Crazy that they haven't figured this out by now with generations of vengeance fighters.

[broken gorge]

The Israeli calculus might be that a highly radicalized population with no state capabilities might be better than a moderately radicalized population with a functioning political system

[velvet bison]

I'm not sure how that eliminates the threat of Hamas or PIJ or any other future group

[tight kernel]

Please remember the purpose of this thread which is for breaking news

[hexed wharf]

AFAICT census data, economic data, and so on.
I found out from someone else doing research, I don't know exactly what data they were looking for

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Central_Bureau_of_Statistics

[grand tapir]

https://vxtwitter.com/skynewsarabia_b/status/1718083000426995937?s=46

Translation: The Pentagon: In a phone call with the Israeli Minister of Defense, Austin stressed the importance of protecting citizens in Gaza

[marsh warren]

Or with a semi-functioning state, but ran by someone more moderate.

[broken gorge]

seems for now theyre willing to consider any possible option to remove the threat, no matter how gross

[velvet bison]

https://t.me/idfofficial/4675

[glacial leaf]

Does anyone know if there is any proof that Israel killed these Hamas fighters? Like, pics of their dead bodies or if Hamas or any alleged killed Hamas fighters' families have released statements confirming the kills? Or, are we just relying on the IDF's word?

[orchid nymph]

Hamas will confirm if true, but most cases it will usually confirm very later on

[thick spruce]

Journalist Rushdi Abualouf was able to get a message out of Khan Younis, posted on BBC live feed just over an hour ago:

“There was a huge bombardment in the north of Gaza strip on a scale we’ve never seen before.

Huge flames could be seen rising into the sky – it seemed they were using different types of bombs.

At the hospital here ambulance drivers told me they couldn’t communicate with anyone, so they were just driving in the direction of the explosions.

There’s been panic everywhere, even here in Khan Younis, where the bombing was less, as people try to reach family members in other areas to check they are safe, but the phones have been cut off.

It’s total chaos.”

Glad that some news is able to get out, even if it’s only staff from major news organisations who have the equipment required to do so.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67246761?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=653cb17f8ae7803bb6845422%26Bombardment in northern Gaza on 'a scale we've never seen before'%262023-10-28T07%3A01%3A06.139Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:12b3ca02-f9cf-4e4e-85d7-2f720e7b5fa7&pinned_post_asset_id=653cb17f8ae7803bb6845422&pinned_post_type=share

[thick shadow]

we were monitoring some of the movements into centcom also in here: #1164712839206936688

[grand tapir]

https://t.me/manniefabian/40632

[bitter hollow]

https://www.silentlunch.net/p/did-the-entire-media-industry-misquote
Investigation into "500 killed in hospital" - and it being a misreporting and mistranslation of "500 victims"/"casualties" in the original source.

[glacial leaf]

https://vxtwitter.com/jvplive/status/1718287003769614735

[glacial leaf]

https://vxtwitter.com/ntarnopolsky/status/1718351555110318515

[lavish galleon]

||https://x.com/idf/status/1718277281364250944?s=46&t=wIZ7jgC47cJUWPe3Zt51qA||

Do we have anyone who could comment on this? I remember with Al-Ahli audio there were people who said the accents etc. didn’t sound right.

(Video is IDF video of alleged Hamas captives describing that they use hospitals as bases)

[thorny bolt]

could you edit in what the link is content noted for?

[old rover]

What ada said. If you spoiler a link and don't say why, you are still asking people to click on it blind. You have to describe what it is.

[lavish galleon]

Oh, sorry yes

[astral topaz]

The coverage as far as I saw was entirely objective, claims were reported and context was given to those claims. The past couple of days have seen a slew of articles that mischaracterize the situation, preying on mistrust of the media to push an agenda.

I'll be ready to eat my words when we see a response like this to inflammatory and unsubstantiated claims from the IDF and israeli government.

[dull stump]

I was watching Al Jazeera English just after the strike on the hospital and in the frantic aftermath it seemed like there were a mixture of x00 'casualties', and then x00 'deaths' being quoted. I sort of discounted it and assumed that later the 500 dead number was presented by some more official source, but looking back I wonder whether the '500 dead' just came out of that messy moment when everyone was digging around in the dark trying to figure out what had just happened.

[dull stump]

My perception is mostly the same. 'in-the-moment' reporting tended to be rash, unreliable and make predictable faux pas, but most reliable news sources reporting briefly afterwards tended to hedge heavily rather than push any specific angle.

[glacial leaf]

https://vxtwitter.com/dianabuttu/status/1718356313321754970

[random birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpF3b5bsVXY

[broken gorge]

https://fxtwitter.com/shlomo_karhi/status/1718309963666211328
https://fxtwitter.com/elonmusk/status/1718376814769258956

[grand fiber]

#1036758130761158677

[thick spruce]

https://aje.io/1otd6c?update=2445280

[velvet bison]

Netblocks is also saying this https://vxtwitter.com/netblocks/status/1718457047493083165

[hoary wasp]

Ok here we go

https://vxtwitter.com/geoconfirmed/status/1718573849317364182?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

First geolocation confirmed inside Gaza, with IDF troops raising the Israeli flag. Definitely signalling intentions here

I believe this is a different angle on the same house, wall and tile covers look identical as does the roof https://vxtwitter.com/ukikaski/status/1718573858259701908?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

Perhaps somewhat surprisingly, this armoured raid appears to be by the sea, NW of Atatra

[stark stream]

IRC @glacial leaf this is actually still in Israeli terrority as the IAF tell israeli residences to build houses with red roofs so that the IAF can tell the difference

[glacial leaf]

That definitely does not look like a settlement building.

[stark stream]

I stand correct then 👍

[hoary wasp]

Apparent evidence, though Geoconfirmed has been wrong before I still think it all adds up https://vxtwitter.com/geoconfirmed/status/1718573860843372998?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

[glacial leaf]

I also noticed that a few buildings have red roofs in Gaza.

[valid sapphire]

https://camera-uk.org/2014/09/01/bizarre-claim-in-the-guardian-red-roofs-are-mandatory-in-israeli-settlements/

[stark stream]

yeah the reporters on the Sun are saying that tanks are in gaza and they can see them

[stark stream]

thanks for the correction 👍

[glacial leaf]

Israeli settlements are also technically not Israeli territory hence why they are referred to as "illegal settlements." They are continued land grabs.

[stark stream]

How far do the seetlements extend into Gaza?

[glacial leaf]

They don't. Not as we know Gaza today.

[hoary wasp]

Raids have been ongoing continuously for the past few days so I wonder exactly when this image was taken, whether it’s extremely recent or a few days old

[stark stream]

It would corrobrate the horizontal firing I saw last night however

[hoary wasp]

Was that in the direction of the sea? I recall reports of raids around Beit Hanoun but I’m surprised by this raid along the coast

[stark stream]

it was a side on view so I can only confirm that looking at quandrant of Beit Hanoun.

[glacial leaf]

Wow, that is a really nice house. Doesn't look so nice now, though. It would be interesting to learn about the owners. So, I guess Israel is just gonna squat it?

Perhaps there is more info in the You Tube video an Arabic speaker can glean.

[hot glade]

It appears to be a rental holiday villa https://www.bizmideast.com/PS/شاليه-بهجت-0592-660-060

So most likely was empty as I'm assuming not many people are holidaying on the northern Gaza border right onw

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PtSQnPyCDoy6zJWk6 listed as a "resort hotel"

It has the same name https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRkHiTWTOzo

[thick spruce]

Oh you’re right, they absolutely do match up. My bad, will delete.

[valid sapphire]

https://vxtwitter.com/saritm0/status/1718530191155249615?t=lZ83IWXaXZj7iGWN9Oithg&s=19

[stark stream]

#1160893738973929493 message So this is the view from the webcam last night with something in Israel on the right

[valid sapphire]

isnt that the flood light from the al shifa hospital?

[stark stream]

I don't think so but I don't know to geolocate I had to use this video #1160893738973929493 message but happy to be guided as to a more concrete location

[valid sapphire]

thats the sderot camera view. im looking later if i can show you a screenshot.

[stark stream]

Great as I can then figure out where the arcs of fire were from the belligerents

[hoary wasp]

seeing this image floating around... wondering if we can get a geolocation on this https://vxtwitter.com/yosefyisrael25/status/1718588963785421191?s=20

it would line up with the geolocated raid we saw above but I can't discount that this image was taken near Zikim or something

[stark stream]

The outcrop on the horizon is most likely the port of Gaza[alternatively there is a concrete outcrop at Zikim]

[valid sapphire]

i didnt safe a screenshot but its on the other channel #israel-palestine message

[glacial leaf]

I suppose it's easier to go around Gaza than through it.

[hoary wasp]

definitely, if you wanted to manouvre with armour the beach is the best place in Gaza

[glacial leaf]

Where is this pic from?

[valid sapphire]

31.58756658534319, 34.48585930000001

[hoary wasp]

further pictures of the above penetration, looks to be at the same time and location so veracity seems good

Tendar is a pretty horrible source but the pics seem fine https://vxtwitter.com/Tendar/status/1718627862628942118?s=20

[hot axle]

https://vxtwitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1718681555218919506

[hot axle]

In #Dagestan, a crowd stormed the building of Makhachkala airport in search of Jews from a flight from Tel Aviv. (@nexta)
#russia-ukraine-eastern-europe message xpost RU https://vxtwitter.com/wartranslated/status/1718685450439647263

[hot axle]

More... A similar incident occurred last night at the Flamingo Hotel in the city, when Muslims stormed the hotel after rumors of the presence of #Israelis. They live in it. https://vxtwitter.com/Megatron_ron/status/1718689554603852172

[hybrid lintel]

You know it’s bad in Dagestan when even the Z telegram channels are shocked by it (e.g. https://t.me/ve4niyvoy/1052)

[valid sapphire]

How were these crowds informed?

Russia does all for instability but I know, that's speculation jk

Doame, I lost oversight of these channels a long time ago

[formal musk]

This is a good convo for DMs, please keep this channel to sharing breaking news

[grand fiber]

I don't think looking at these individual incidents is very helpful for understanding the conflict. We keep seeing individual incidents of anti-Palestinian and anti-Israeli/Jewish crowds. We know there is mutual hate. So what does looking at these incidents add to the conversation? Tracking larger-scale trends would obviously be a different story.

[solemn sphinx]

Silo'ing convos in DMs cuts out lurkers, who often can learn a lot from what others say. Is there a public place to discuss and analyze issues? I know https://discord.com/channels/709752884257882135/1160132507472244839 is for news and thought https://discord.com/channels/709752884257882135/1047898195155492895 is permitted to be more conversational, but I've seen people shushed there too.

[formal musk]

No, we're actively discouraging people from engaging in speculation and debates. It's always been like that. We're stressing it recently because a lot of new people have joined.

[grand fiber]

As a suggestion, our friends over at Project Owl have speculation channels. Maybe that could be what you're looking for.

[bitter hollow]

https://meduza.io/feature/2023/10/29/na-severnom-kavkaze-proshla-seriya-antisemitskih-aktsiy
This article in (independent) Russian newspaper dropped a hint that a telegram channel adding heat to current antisemitic sentiment in Dagestan was "launched" (promoted? created?) by Illya Ponomarev (previously Russian State Duma member, currently a Ukrainian citizen). I've looked at another popular telegram channel in Dagestan (that is not pro-Ukraine), and I see attempts to diffuse the situation.
I only had a glance at this, but it might be of interest to someone investigating informational part of the war between Russia and Ukraine.

@formal musk Please let me know if this message should be classified as a speculation (and if it has a place on this server).

[formal musk]

it's fine to leave up, thanks. Meduza does good work

But this channel is for developments from Gaza/Israel, so let's keep it that way please

[broken gorge]

I guess we really should make a #israel-palestine-Spillover channel, just to track such incidence, because theyve been coming nonstop

I went ahead and made #1168282793495765022

[pulsar falcon]

isnt the ponomarev the guy who assumed authorship of the freedom of russia legion batallion thing

[bitter hollow]

yes, that one.

[old rover]

Can you take this to https://discord.com/channels/709752884257882135/1168282793495765022 ?

[pulsar falcon]

no worries!

[velvet bison]

https://vxtwitter.com/netblocks/status/1718745461421432862

[hoary wasp]

alright, what appears to be more images of IDF ground operations in northern Gaza are coming in. not sure of the veracity of some of the below images so some geolocation would be awesome. however I can say for a fact that the lower right image is in Gaza and not only that, but is in As-Siafa near the coast as the house with the Israeli flag on its roof we discussed yesterday is in the background
https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1718852488349036784?s=20

I'm most curious about this particular image as it appears to be facing north with the coast to the left hand side. however on the left you can see a major paved road lined with palm trees along the coastline which I can't find near the established penetration at As Siafa, which only has unpaved roads along the coast. if this images is indeed within Gaza, I'm really not sure where it's taken and what it says about the depth of Israeli penetrations

https://vxtwitter.com/idfonline/status/1718864835289514253?s=20

[hoary wasp]

supposed footage of a Merkava tank on the Salah Al-Dinn Road which is the main arterial highway in Gaza, extremely unconfirmed so I'll put up a geolocation request on it ASAP. I'm spoilering it as on closer inspection the tank appears to take aim and then destroy a civilian-type vehicle though whether there are civilians inside said vehicle is not known.
||https://vxtwitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1718900377280512176?s=20||

There has been a breach made at the Erez Crossing by the IDF for some time:

report from the AFP ticker, but I'm unable to get a link to it as private individuals can't access AFP materials, so treat this as unconfirmed until I can get another source to corroborate

[hybrid lintel]

Body of Shani Louk has been found: https://vxtwitter.com/jerusalem_post/status/1718906197028249961

[thick spruce]

Al Jazeera correspondents reporting the same, further updates pending ||https://aje.io/py7et7?update=2448290||

Thumbnail image is of body bags, live updates may contain other distressing images.

[hoary wasp]

The Guardian reporting IDF spokesman will make a statement shortly, no details on where though

I’d recommend Times of Israel or something similar to get that sort of IDF update

[hoary wasp]

I’m confused, Zaytoun is to the W of Gaza and most reported penetrations are to the N and E, if the locations are correct this means that Israeli armour has made substantial penetrations deep inside Gaza city already very quickly

[upbeat tulip]

Assume that's from the Al Jazeera live feed?

[thick spruce]

Yep it’s updating now

[hoary wasp]

I’m seeing this particular geolocation, any idea if it’s good? It looks about right to me but I am no expert on Gazan geography https://vxtwitter.com/hengenahm/status/1718911687397396661?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

The building in yellow is listed as the “Oman Secondary School for Girls” https://maps.app.goo.gl/mbjfHbEcZnbg4Hu28?g_st=ic

[thick spruce]

Vague update on the Guardian feed re: this

[hoary wasp]

Vague due to OPSEC I believe. There’s good evidence to indicate that a major movement in ground operations is in progress as he speaks

[thick spruce]

Al Jazeera live feed: “[Hamas spokesperson] added that Israeli tanks have also invaded an area in southeast Gaza after destroying it earlier by air strikes.”

|| https://aje.io/py7et7?update=2448405||

Thumbnail image is of body bags, live updates may contain other distressing images.

Phone and internet services down in Gaza city as per Al Jazeera live feed (linked above, don’t want to spam the channel with long messages)

[hoary wasp]

If the above geolocation is correct in respects to the tanks cutting the road at Al Mughraqa, this lines up with predictions that the Israelis would advance along the relatively rural and flatter terrain of Wadi Gaza to bisect the strip north and south, isolating the city before moving in. The cutting of the Salah Al Deen road supports this

https://youtube.com/shorts/4d-lsPLdn4U?si=M6UQj1c6diMH2_dC

[brittle arch]

Al-Jazeera: car blown by Israeli forces in Gaza
Instagram reel: ||https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzA6cdiN2QI/||
Mannie Fabian: IDF tanks struck the “suspicious vehicle”
||https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1718909417716875416||
(Might be distressing)

[hoary wasp]

BBC now reporting that tanks are at the Karni-Netzarim junction cutting the SAD road

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67258466?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=653f75f0fd63b979e1acfe5e%26Israeli forces block key road from north to south Gaza%2C say Palestinian witnesses%262023-10-30T09%3A26%3A29.291Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:8631552c-e16d-41ff-b146-f0e20295c865&pinned_post_asset_id=653f75f0fd63b979e1acfe5e&pinned_post_type=share

I believe it is safe to say that, for all intents and purposes, it is too late to escape from Gaza city, and whoever is in the city is now trapped

Karni Netzarim junction is here: 31° 27′ 55″ N, 34° 25′ 36″ E. This lines up with the footage above and appears to place the tanks at Al Mughraqa and not Zaytoun as initially reported. As a historical note the Netzarim junction was the sight of a major suicide bombing against the IDF back in 1994

[thick spruce]

Al Jazeera has now posted a story about the current clashes in Gaza City, to be updated: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/30/heavy-clashes-as-israeli-tanks-reach-gaza-city-outskirts-cut-key-road

[thick spruce]

Might want to give a content warning about this one, it’s pretty intense

[brittle arch]

I was in between, let me consider

[hoary wasp]

I concur, I posted this footage earlier and it is graphic, I’d highly recommend spoilering it

[brittle arch]

Oh I haven’t checked that

[hoary wasp]

#1160893738973929493 @stark stream is reporting parachute flares in daytime over the strip border

[brittle arch]

Might rather need I guess?

[stark stream]

One of the clips has a nice close up of it.. why they're using them during the day I don't know maybe for the smoke for troop movements

[hoary wasp]

Flares could be to mark troop positions or designate targets

Alright people, looks like we’re moving into a pretty fast moving situation at the moment. I expect the footage we’re gonna see over the next fee hours will not be pretty so please please practice good mental hygiene. #mental-health-and-rest is there, or just stepping away for a bit. Take care of yourself y’all

[thick spruce]

Al Jazeera: Hamas reporting that Israeli tanks in Gaza City have retreated (I’m unsure what to make of this claim) || https://aje.io/py7et7?update=2448456||

Thumbnail image is of body bags, live updates may contain other distressing images.

[brittle arch]

AJ mapping of the event at Salah ad-Din St., south if Zeitoun
Features the footage

[hoary wasp]

Hamas updates are deeply unreliable and are more or less propaganda, that AJ is repeating their claims verbatim in the absence of any verification or evidence is a strike against their credibility

[thick spruce]

“Citizen movement has returned to normal on the road.” Seems questionable and a rather irresponsible claim to make, given the video we’ve just seen.

Important to keep in mind that every media outlet has a bias and an agenda. I try to read from a few different ones to get a broad picture but it’s still irritating when it’s as blatant as that was.

Apparently this is the person who filmed the original video of the car being destroyed, in case anyone wants to keep an eye on any possible follow ups. Spoilered as feed/grid contains several VERY confronting images of infants, as well as the car video, obvs. || https://instagram.com/yosef.basam?igshid=NzZlODBkYWE4Ng==||

[hoary wasp]

If this is indeed just a raid it is far reaching, I don’t see why the Israelis would suddenly retreat. Perhaps they repositioned their tanks and Hamas immediately used that to claim victory as they are wont to do, but that’s just speculation. Either way, visual evidence is always best

as might be expected, the IDF has refused to confirm the presence of tanks on the SAD road citing OPSEC, but did claim that they were employing full combined arms forces including infantry, tanks, artillery and engineers into Gaza which lines up with the types of vehicles we've seen breaching the border https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67258466?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=653f78608ae7803bb6845a3c%26Israeli military won't say if tanks have blocked key Gaza road%262023-10-30T10%3A15%3A15.189Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:3c32cfc0-ed0f-4fa0-86f3-81762aff45f9&pinned_post_asset_id=653f78608ae7803bb6845a3c&pinned_post_type=share

[thick spruce]

This seems to align with your prediction: || https://aje.io/py7et7?update=2448525||

Thumbnail image is of body bags, live updates contain other distressing images/videos.

[hoary wasp]

the only other real alternative would be the Al Rashid road on the coastline, which would be vulnerable to Israeli Navy strike and is smaller and less accessible than the SAD

[hoary wasp]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67258466?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=653f778e8ae7803bb6845a39%26Watch%3A Israeli tanks heading to Gaza City in four directions%2C says BBC journalist%262023-10-30T11%3A47%3A46.379Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:6db3b1d7-a155-4783-8972-2e54a4c215ae&pinned_post_asset_id=653f778e8ae7803bb6845a39&pinned_post_type=share

[thick spruce]

Al Jazeera: correspondent in Gaza City has received a phone call from the IDF telling them to leave immediately as “…in the coming hours it is going to be very dangerous in the area where you are at.”

Live updates contain distressing images/videos.

|| https://aje.io/py7et7?update=2448710||

[south cairn]

Maybe some of you have heard that German-Israeli hostage Shani was || confirmed killed ||
I would like to know her last known location, when she was || paraded on the back of a pickup truck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0aogSYh1f0 (in the video her body is blurred) ||. Unfortunately it was not geolocated so far, but it should be possible, because multiple stores nearby like the one in the screenshot (sfw).

[hoary wasp]

further footage has been released of IDF vehicles moving in the combat zone, geolocations should be possible for some https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1718955413138198546?s=20

[formal musk]

I'm pretty sure this was geolocated. I think Ben Strick did it, so if you go back through his profile on Twitter you'll probably find it. I'm very sure I saw him tweeting a geolocation for this

[south cairn]

I saw this thread by him: || https://twitter.com/BenDoBrown/status/1710639496591536172 || which shows multiple other abductions, but it does not contain this one.

[hoary wasp]

as to be expected Israel is employing their best Merkava 4Ms, Namer heavy APCs and other high protection combat vehicles into Gaza, likely in anticipation of intense urban combat with light Hamas forces probably armed with all manner of RPGs, ATGMs and drones. Of note is that most of the Merkavas in the above footage have been fitted in "cope cages" in response to the drone threat which I'd expect to be significant

[thick spruce]

WaPo article discussing the current Gaza assault: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/29/israel-ground-war-gaza/

[pulsar falcon]

i sent a message in #bombs-arms-drones-other-killing-machines where it seems like the eitan is employed too - the namer is also key for urban combat operations with the heavy armor

[hoary wasp]

the Eitan's brand new isn't it? will be interesting to see how it performs

[orchid nymph]

Yes, I can confirm that this happened.

Raids have lately been ramping up in the West Bank lately.

[hoary wasp]

on the Reuters livestream it is possible to see Israeli armoured vehicles moving around within Gaza, visual on 2 Israeli bulldozers moving about 1 minute ago, and some kind of vehicle flying a small Israeli flag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU_5O_oE4KE

here is a video of said vehicles moving on the right of the screen

you can just barely see an Israeli flag flying from one of the dozers

[formal musk]

Ah! Totally. Thanks for sharing

[thick spruce]

Good eye!

[hoary wasp]

it's somewhat surreal how anyone from across the world with an internet connection can watch an armoured assault on a city in real time

[thick spruce]

Absolutely wild. And it must trigger some weird evolutionary survival thing because honestly, I’ve barely been able to think about anything else for the past three weeks. We are not wired for this.

[hoary wasp]

the dozers in question are highly likely to be the Caterpiller D9 specifically designed for urban operations

they're continuing to move back and forth on the same axis on the stream, probably conducting some sort of earth moving and clearing operation for follow on forces

the BBC has verified the footage of the Merkava tank is genuine and from today. they also claim that the SAD road has been reopened according to one of their reporters
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67258466?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=653fa1cafd63b979e1acfec6%26Verified video shows tank appearing to fire on car on road south of Gaza City%262023-10-30T12%3A30%3A34.519Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:7df3249d-51b6-49ee-9750-4f20815f140d&pinned_post_asset_id=653fa1cafd63b979e1acfec6&pinned_post_type=share

however as per stream footage the IDF is continuing armoured operations within Gaza

something new on stream: what appears to be the detonation of an airburst 155mm artillery round in Gaza. 1525 local, Reuters

[clear olive]

A mssage from hamas captives was released https://t.me/TheMediterraneanMan/2342

[hoary wasp]

this was made under Hamas auspices right?

[clear olive]

I don't know more than that but since they are held captive by them i assume. They would not be able to release anything without their approval

[pulsar falcon]

iirc first deployed in may or something this year

[hoary wasp]

I'm observing what could possibly be a tank of some description on the Reuters stream

observe the right hand side of the screen, there's a vehicle moving creating a dust cloud, and as it transits the dust cloud you can see its sihoulette along with what looks to be a cannon barrel. 1609 local, Reuters

[sacred bane]

yes that is a tank

[hoary wasp]

this is the same area the dozers were observed operating about an hour and a bit ago

[sacred bane]

and this is like the airburst munitions i have seen in Ukraine
well done on these 🙂

[hoary wasp]

which indicates the standard procedure of engineering assets moving in and clearing the way for heavy armour

[formal musk]

that happens often... I had that happen today with a couple of spots in Ukraine

[velvet bison]

this isn't for speculation, it's for breaking news

[hoary wasp]

those photo spheres are unreliable

[formal musk]

ya if you did a survey I think you'd find a non-trivial amount of them don't work or are tagged incorrectly

[soft delta]

thought it was for data analysis

[hoary wasp]

that's more #israel-palestine

[soft delta]

ah fair!, probably funny coincidence

@hoary wasp my bad I cant keep track 🤦

[hoary wasp]

no worries

[velvet bison]

overview of various threads #1160132507472244839 message

[glacial leaf]

Did they perhaps cut across from the coast?

[hoary wasp]

highly doubt it, there's no evidence of further penetrations from the As Siafa area, and to get from that breach to Zaytoun they'd have to cross Gaza city centre which would not have gone unnoticed

[topaz oriole]

I made some Twitter Lists based on the Google Doc:

Israel "Official" Feeds - https://twitter.com/i/lists/1719004076241813858
Palestine Feeds - https://twitter.com/i/lists/1719008676495638588
Israel / Palestine Press - https://twitter.com/i/lists/1719012176264884598
Israel / Palestine NGO's - https://twitter.com/i/lists/1719006222270005413
UN in Israel/Palestine - https://twitter.com/i/lists/1719007882006483124

I appear to be capped out on lists for today lol

[thick shadow]

https://fxtwitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1719028899621814645?s=20

[urban vale]

every media outlet has a bias and an agenda
I don't think this is the best way to analyze news sources. I've seen way too many people fall into conspiracy rabbit holes with this sort of thinking.

Some news sources have tried to present information objectively, whether they succeed or not is reliant on other factors (like the experience of their reporters). Other outlets just flat out lie and have a history of purposely being dishonest.

[thick shadow]

Joint announcement by the Shin Bet Spokesperson and the IDF Spokesperson :
Tonight, the female soldier Col. Uri Magidish was released, during a ground operation, after she was kidnapped by the terrorist organization Hamas on 7/10.
The soldier was medically examined, her condition is good and she met with her family.
The IDF and Shin Bet will continue to make every effort to bring about the release of the abductees.
https://twitter.com/OrHeller/status/1719027701212721565

[velvet bison]

this conversation is probably better done somewhere else, this thread is for breaking news only

[hoary wasp]

IDF is claiming that they found and released an IDF soldier who had been held hostage on Oct 7 during recent ground operations https://vxtwitter.com/idfonline/status/1719027942188032141?s=20

[formal musk]

This is down already -- did anyone manage to archive it?

[humble brook]

I believe these are the two videos from yosef basam. They are still up for me on his ig.

Also, content warning

[velvet bison]

there are multiple accounts with the video up @formal musk

[formal musk]

Weird, I'm getting a "Sorry, this page isn't available" message when I go to his account

[velvet bison]

that's really odd when I sent my message they were up

[glacial leaf]

Is there more information about this? I wonder if it should be put in dis-info given the potentially unreliable information being reported.

[glacial leaf]

pinging you also since you are looking into it

Mixed info include "body ||found||" vs. ||skull ||found vs. ||piece of the back of a skull|| found

[pulsar falcon]

the full information was that it was the piece of the back of a skull "which a human being can't survive without" leading to the confirmaiton she's dead

[glacial leaf]

"A cousin of Louk's said that the family received an official notice from the IDF and ZAKA that a bone from ||the base of Louk's skull|| had been found matched with Louk's DNA. Doctors determined that a person cannot live without the bone found and concluded that Louk could not possibly still be alive." The statement here from what doctors allegedly reported as printed in J Post gives special reason to investigate the validity of the claims.

[pulsar falcon]

i think this is pretty conclusive evidence and the only way to get more data would be by analyzing bone fragments ourselves

[glacial leaf]

It's not conclusive to me, especially in light of the previous reporting about her which is why I suggest it might warrant exploration in #dis-info.

[velvet bison]

If we're gonna discuss this, probably better to move it to #israel-palestine

[glacial leaf]

For example, which is it: Was her|| whole body|| found, or|| just her skull||, or ||just the one fragment from her skull||.

[hybrid lintel]

The reporting I’ve seen mentions finding the skull fragment, as cited by jpost

[glacial leaf]

Her family absolutely should have an independent forensic test.

[grand fiber]

German media are calling it an ||inner skull bone fragment||.

[pulsar falcon]

regardless - i don't think we have access to nearly enough information to analyze this, which is why i think it's not a relevant point for discussion

[grand fiber]

And with DNA evidence, this is pretty conclusive evidence of death. Unless we have any reason to assume that the Israeli government is lying to the family here, we should assume that the reports are correct.

[hybrid lintel]

Why? Do you imply that the skull fragment is not hers?

[broken gorge]

I've been seeing multiple different versions of the skull fragment story on twitter, and I can already tell this is the next massive misinfo wave

[glacial leaf]

I'm suggesting that the Israeli government is not a reliable source and it might warrant an independent investigation. While this might not be my skill set or yours, it is absolutely a doable thing by someone and yes, even possibly by someone reading these messages in this server.

[thick spruce]

He changed his username, will update link

[south cairn]

According to her family in (trustworthy) german media a skull fragment was found. So she was already dead in that video. Her body is not recovered and she also was not || beheaded|| . Some Israeli sources claimed she was ||beheaded || but deleted their tweets. I believe it was a honest misunderstanding by them.

[grand fiber]

||Zu Aussagen des israelischen Präsidenten Izchak Herzog in der "Bild", Shani Louk sei enthauptet worden, erklärte sein Sprecher auf Nachfrage: "Die Tatsache, dass ein erheblicher Teil ihres Schädels gefunden wurde, löste die Angst aus, dass sie geköpft wurde."||
||Regarding statements by Israeli President Izchak Herzog in Bild that Shani Louk had been beheaded, his spokesman said when asked: "The fact that a significant part of her skull was found triggered fears that she had been beheaded."||
https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/asien/shani-louk-104.html

[south cairn]

Yeah but that is just wrong, in the video, which was filmed in Gaza, she has a head wound, ||but her head is definitely still there.||

[grand fiber]

Yes, but this is a description of where the claims originated.

[south cairn]

Quite the thing, that her mother was seemingly better informed and articulate about the whole thing than the Israeli government

[grand fiber]

This is getting quite off-topic, but the mother is much more likely to have seen the video than the president.

[rigid crag]

If this document is legit, the official position of Israel's Ministry of Intelligence is ethnically cleansing all of Gaza.
https://www.mekomit.co.il/המסמך-המלא-של-משרד-המודיעין-כיבוש-עזה-ו/

[grand fiber]

Context from the article:

The existence of the document does not necessarily indicate that its recommendations are being considered by the security system. Despite its name, the Ministry of Intelligence is not responsible for any intelligence body, but independently prepares studies and policy papers, which are distributed for review by the government and security bodies but are not binding on them. The annual budget of the office is about NIS 25 million and its influence is considered relatively small.

(for the people only reading the headline)

[orchid nymph]

horrible optics regardless of its implementation.

[rigid crag]

Regardless, I think it's significant that members of a government are discussing ethnic cleansing as a serious policy. And it's similar to previous statements from former government officials.

[grand fiber]

Definitely agreed.

[rigid crag]

Because let's be clear on this, phrases like "forced transfer of population" are a polite way of saying "ethnic cleansing".

[stark stream]

If you listen to the rhetoric coming out of the Israeli contingent at the UN it paints a very stark us vs them mentality particularly the usage of Nazi allegories and the israeli delegation wearing the yellow star of David. [they make it very clear a two state solution cannot work] IMO its all driven by hatred on BOTH sides
https://youtu.be/UNQ0cY0dCFM?t=10400s | 2023-10-31 | ~01:22:39 UTC+2 | United Nations [I've clipped from the beginning of the Palestinian speech the Israeli speech occurs @ https://youtu.be/UNQ0cY0dCFM?t=11829s | 2023-10-31 | ~01:46:27 UTC+2 | United Nations] I've included both for external contexts

[agile remnant]

Is this the same document mentioned by Calcalist a few days ago?

[thick spruce]

The Calcalist article didn’t show the document.

Link to article: https://www.calcalist.co.il/local_news/article/rj2mplngp

[pulsar falcon]

Anybody know if there are ties behind Calcalist and Mekomit?

Also overall wonder how much of this plan is a concrete thing - it doesn't seem like it's plausible in reality (either Israel has to convince Egypt to host 2 million refugees or Israel conquers the Sinai again - which doesn't change the status quo)

[grand tapir]

I would agree that it’s concerning that it’s an option at all - it most definitely should not be considered and it’s incredibly worrisome that there are those in positions of power who are raising this as an option. But it’s worth noting that the intelligence ministry does not make these decisions and it was one of a number of proposals - so I’m not sure it’s fair to say that the policy is the official position of the ministry of intelligence.

[grand tapir]

Quote from Haaretz who first reported on the document:

The Intelligence Ministry confirmed the existence of the document, but a source familiar with the drafting of it said the cabinet isn’t expected to debate the proposal and that the Intelligence Ministry is not the government entity that would be responsible for such decision-making.
Plus (and a little bit of analysis/speculation here) politically it would likely be untenable/incur huge costs. Egypt would not allow it and could militarise the border to prevent this from happening. Plus the US - both Biden and Blinken - has made it very clear that it’s not an option.

Additionally, all bureaucracies/organisations have internal factions & the product is somewhat tailored to the demands of the consumer (ideally not too much). It’s not unheard of in organisations for there to exist internal pressure to include options which would otherwise be ignored to cater to fringe consumers, even though the options unlikely to be taken.

[pulsar falcon]

One thing worth contextualizing when it comes to FoPo analysis - a lot of scenarios get drawn up regardless of how likely they are to happen

It's why Brazil still regularly analyzes the likelihood of war with France or why the US had hypothetical plans for a land invasion of Canada

For all we know "some think tank proposed something absurd" and the gulf between that and whatever will happen is huge

It is certainly concerning, but I don't think it's a realistic thing

[real lodge]

Content Warning! Please 🙏

Please anons remember to mark your graphic posts with content warnings.

[glacial leaf]

Sorry, I forgot how to spoiler via cell phone.

[fading fossil]

Israel-Palestine 2023 War

[hoary wasp]

Times of Israel reporter Emanuel Fabian has just released more footage of IDF operations from inside Gaza, sourced from the IDF press office apparently. Footage is "clean" and only contains soldiers firing at off camera targets.
https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1719233709176389906?s=20

https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1719235052347777531?s=20

https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1719210779264598318?s=20

https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1719210801502818516?s=20

[hoary wasp]

curiously with this footage, the IDF appears to be using older and much more vulnerable M113 APCs, the Namer is both very expensive and a limited platform so it's hardly universal. the old M113s seem to be picking up the slack

[glacial leaf]

Cross posting for visibility: New thread for the West Bank: https://discord.com/channels/709752884257882135/1168794877304254494

[pulsar falcon]

Even then, they could use the Nakpadon and Nagmachon

Maybe this is an already secured area and it's just for supply runs?

[hoary wasp]

Quite possibly. Though curiously I’ve literally never seen the Nakpadon or Nagmachon in operation during this entire war. Should move this to #israel-palestine or #bombs-arms-drones-other-killing-machines for further discussion

[nocturne void]

would removing of an entire population regardless of ethnicity race political views etc from a specified area be considered ethnic cleansing?
especially if the area remains empty/dmz afterwards

[formal musk]

Please make sure to read our #rules

If you want to debate Tristan on this, you can DM him

[steady herald]

https://new.thecradle.co/articles/leaked-israeli-plan-to-ethnically-cleanse-gaza Some alleged background on the leak of this doc. Not confirmed (and unlikely to be).

[proven bridge]

Any updates on the situation in South Lebanon and Syria?

[hoary wasp]

Nothing massive, usual reports of shelling and bombardments in southern Lebanon. If you want Syria updates check out #1113364002756644874 , Reuters is also running a livestream of the Israel Lebanon border if you’re interested

[hoary wasp]

Al Jazeera is quoting the Gaza Ministry of Interior that Israeli forces have made a further penetration from the breach at As Siafa in NW Gaza and are moving into the suburb of Karama W of Jabalia. Of course this is unconfirmed
https://vxtwitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1719307578939670744?s=20

[thick spruce]

Interesting, nothing about this on the English version live updates yet

[hoary wasp]

a little late, but there are indications that multiple aerial targets were engaged around the southern town of Eliat, including with the brand new Arrow
https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1719312952497512484?s=20

BBC reporting that a Iran backed Yemeni group was responsible
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67258466?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6540d4488ae7803bb6845c0f%26Iran-backed group in Yemen claims drone attack in southern Israel%262023-10-31T10%3A47%3A21.163Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:c3325ff4-3a51-4a2a-ba47-d1fc0084d776&pinned_post_asset_id=6540d4488ae7803bb6845c0f&pinned_post_type=share

[thick spruce]

AJ has a nice map showing incursion points https://aje.io/93du7y?update=2451252

[hoary wasp]

ok here we go, here we go: confirmed geolocation of IDF forces within Beit Hanoun:
https://vxtwitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1719313872350310537?s=20

measuring the coordinates given to the border fence gives a penetration of up to 1.6kms from the NE corner of the Gaza Strip

further footage of IDF operations released by the IDF press service. footage is clean as usual, tanks and soldiers engaging unseen targets. probably might try to get some geolocation up but if the terrain is any indication this could well be Beit Hanoun again https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1719318755509932483?s=20

[formal musk]

Ya I had the same intiial impresion, that it was also Beit Hanoun

[hoary wasp]

seems most of the public footage is coming from there. curiously we're seeing very little footage of the coastal penetration at As Siafa and nothing from the penetration along Wadi Gaza. perhaps the IDF regards these two prongs as very tactically important and so is unwilling to release footage publicly yet while the Beit Hanoun operation is a bit less critical and so the footage can go

as a side note, the Israeli soldiers in the footage are armed with the somewhat new X95 Micro-Tavor carbine which is mostly being issued to the best frontline units, indicating the quality of units being sent into Gaza as might be expected. second line and reserve units generally use much older M4s or other M16 type weapons

some kind of rocket impact over the Negev https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1719317672704233525?s=20

[thick spruce]

Couldn’t see a specific thread for Lebanon but please let me know if I should move this. Amnesty reporting that Israel used white phosphorus on Dharya on 16 October. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/lebanon-evidence-of-israels-unlawful-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-southern-lebanon-as-cross-border-hostilities-escalate/

[undone pier]

Is Clash Report allowed on the server? They have alleged combat video from Hamas side.

[valid sapphire]

Yes, but spoiler if necessary

[undone pier]

No gore on the video

Looks like PG-7R rocket on that RPG

https://x.com/clashreport/status/1719287109247250926?s=20

[pulsar falcon]

Hamas has some homemade PG-7R lookalikes

[thick spruce]

Al Jazeera: https://aje.io/93du7y?update=2451594

[pulsar falcon]

https://vxtwitter.com/michaelh992/status/1719345045763977216?s=20

[hoary wasp]

https://vxtwitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1719346385114280378?s=20

[formal musk]

https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1719355998400319870?s=20

[hollow turret]

suspected geolocation for this at ~31.532573, 34.497705 based off the buildings visible in Anas Alsharif's photo https://twitter.com/JakeGodin/status/1719376065775153440

[glacial leaf]

https://vxtwitter.com/ajenglish/status/1719361667048345829

[dire summit]

Spoilers!

[thick spruce]

Al Jazeera: Palestinian telecoms company says ‘all communications and Internet services’ with Gaza cut off https://aje.io/cevgx6?update=2453100

[velvet bison]

Not seeing any recorded major drop off on IODA fwiw
https://ioda.inetintel.cc.gatech.edu/region/1226?from=1695999414&until=1698591414

[velvet bison]

Actually you can see the drop off https://ioda.inetintel.cc.gatech.edu/region/1226?from=1698720198&until=1698806598

[sonic ridge]

@stiff compass @velvet bison
In response to your concerns raised here.
#1161401676943609907 message

The Erez crossing and freight gateway Kerem had been foreseeably closed prior to the events of October 7th.
Erez was only allowing medical exemptions to pass through, and even then, with strict supervision.

https://gisha.org/blocking-travel-via-erez-crossing-is-illegal-collective-punishment/

archive.md/vROkV

https://gisha.org/gisha-demands-decision-to-block-exit-of-goods-via-kerem-shalom-be-reversed/

archive.md/jbCVS

[velvet bison]

Thanks I think you meant to put this in #1161401676943609907

As a reply to the earlier convo

[sonic ridge]

Ah. You are not used to cross threading here?

See, I cite you in my reply above.

[velvet bison]

No this space is generally used for breaking news only, see the pins

[sonic ridge]

Understood.
Would you wish for me to move my post?

[hot axle]

https://vxtwitter.com/IDF/status/1719469821207752998 https://vxtwitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1719482101911757143

[hot axle]

https://vxtwitter.com/jacobkornbluh/status/1719567955422273558

https://vxtwitter.com/netblocks/status/1719589007536111634

[bitter hollow]

Wow, they are using the footage of a tank firing at a civilian car at the start of a montage with a title "IDF eliminates Hamas commanders, top brass in hiding".

[hot axle]

https://vxtwitter.com/idfonline/status/1719567433097187457

[hot axle]

https://vxtwitter.com/ignis_fatum/status/1719591984887906398

[thick spruce]

Al Jazeera: https://aje.io/cevgx6?update=2453539

Live footage: https://www.instagram.com/aljazeeraenglish/live/17979628493596329

[nocturne void]

actually the micro tavor is only used by some regular infantry brigades like golani givati and nahal
givati is the infantry brigade currently "in charge" of and operating in gaza just because that's their area of operations (as opposed to kfir in Judea and Samaria and golani in the north/Lebanon)
basically all the special forces units use the m4 as well as some other infantry brigades
artillery and tank units and reserves usually have m16s

[valid sapphire]

https://vxtwitter.com/netblocks/status/1719654959770132656?t=EvC2QaJ6yEybuDLzlXUsdQ&s=19

[hoary wasp]

Definitely contributing to the fact that we’re seeing virtually nothing of what’s happening on the ground save for the IDF’s own public releases. Contrast this with the veritable flood of amateur and public footage in the early days of the invasion of Ukraine. The information blackout has been enormously beneficial to IDF ground operations and it has been very thorough

[valid sapphire]

It's a powerful tool

[pulsar falcon]

the public footage from ukraine early on was odd to say the least, the idf keeps tight opsec because at the end of the day it's what is expected

[pulsar falcon]

https://vxtwitter.com/no_itsmyturn/status/1719680748473487567?s=20

[open galleon]

The Russian response after the initial stage was to shoot anyone they suspected of filming. Suspect that's a heavy disincentive.

[hybrid lintel]

https://vxtwitter.com/disclosetv/status/1719665588228751481

[pulsar falcon]

https://vxtwitter.com/gaza_report/status/1719725175380296036?s=20

[hoary wasp]

that's a serious penetration, the coastal road is the last way out for those in Gaza

[pulsar falcon]

yeah its israel enveloping the top end of gaza basically

[hoary wasp]

seems to be proceeding to the expected plan, cut across Wadi Gaza, isolate Gaza from the sea, and then squeeze the city from all sides

[oblique brook]

IDF has been seen active in this area with armor for going on 2 days now and are slowly pushing closer to the coast. They moved slightly west of the al-Nour resort pictured (near the Turkish friendship hospital)

The area with the green pin to the right of the red circle is where the IDF fired on a vehicle in a video published a few days ago

[bitter pulsar]

The incident where the car was fired on happened further southwest around here: 31.472808,34.435013 #1168469536765386792 message

[orchid nymph]

Good to see you here, Edelweiss.

[oblique brook]

Hey! Appreciate it 🙂

[oblique brook]

Ah, correct. So the known sightings of IDF are even more tightly grouped than I had thought

[orchid nymph]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/01/israel-bombing-khan-yunis-refugee-camp-gaza-palestinians

[pastel mountain]

Any clue what the coloring is based on in this imagery? Very interesting that they have plowed a corridor so thoroughly

https://vxtwitter.com/aldin_aba/status/1719734733720940568

[velvet bison]

the coloring just looks like false color to me
https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browser/?zoom=15&lat=31.47377&lng=34.43609&themeId=DEFAULT-THEME&visualizationUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fservices.sentinel-hub.com%2Fogc%2Fwms%2Fbd86bcc0-f318-402b-a145-015f85b9427e&evalscript=Ly9WRVJTSU9OPTMKbGV0IG1pblZhbCA9IDAuMDsKbGV0IG1heFZhbCA9IDAuNDsKCmxldCB2aXogPSBuZXcgSGlnaGxpZ2h0Q29tcHJlc3NWaXN1YWxpemVyKG1pblZhbCwgbWF4VmFsKTsKCmZ1bmN0aW9uIHNldHVwKGRzKSB7CiAgcmV0dXJuIHsKICAgIGlucHV0OiBbIkIwMyIsICJCMDQiLCAiQjA4IiwiZGF0YU1hc2siXSwKICAgIG91dHB1dDogeyBiYW5kczogNCB9CiAgfTsKfQoKZnVuY3Rpb24gZXZhbHVhdGVQaXhlbChzYW1wbGVzKSB7CiAgICBsZXQgdmFsID0gW3NhbXBsZXMuQjA4LCBzYW1wbGVzLkIwNCwgc2FtcGxlcy5CMDMsc2FtcGxlcy5kYXRhTWFza107CiAgICByZXR1cm4gdml6LnByb2Nlc3NMaXN0KHZhbCk7Cn0%3D&datasetId=S2L2A&fromTime=2023-11-01T00%3A00%3A00.000Z&toTime=2023-11-01T23%3A59%3A59.999Z&demSource3D="MAPZEN"#custom-script

[velvet bison]

does that help answer your question?

[hearty harbor]

IIRC the red is illustration of chlorophyll so is a way to ilustrate how much plant cover and type of plants (going from a old memory so no garantee for accuracy)

[random birch]

Do we have corrobration on this happening? Content Warning - soldiers violently handling protestors (shoving grappling etc) || https://fxtwitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1719752311684071469||

[velvet bison]

@random birch could you spoiler that please, it's quite violent

[random birch]

done

[hearty harbor]

you get simular effects on different false colour
I would guess that what is seen is soil being exposed below farmland
might be as simple as a old riverbed being exposed by fall, but is more likely from significant movement of peaple

[velvet bison]

or vehicles

[hearty harbor]

yeah, I included vehicles in papule but you are absolutly right

[grand fiber]

Without looking at the context of the events, the interpretation of the events uses very politically charged language and is pretty absurd in its conclusion.

[hearty harbor]

the true colour likely actually give the best illustration

[velvet bison]

right, you can clearly see it's not a river bed being exposed

[grand fiber]

If you use the share feature, you get a much shorter link.

Also, @hearty harbor, please use that feature instead of posting just screenshots. This allows others to replicate your settings.

[hearty harbor]

yeah in that one yes
it was an example of what could give similar effects not an proposed cannon explanation

[velvet bison]

Yeah, I meant to to fix that earlier but I closed the tab sorry

[grand fiber]

No worries! The feature is a bit hidden, that's why I mentioned it!

[velvet bison]

also, if you're interested if something is seasonal always a good idea to check previous years to see if that's a feature that was exposed in the past!

[grand fiber]

I only know about it, because @elfin grotto showed it to me. I'm sure he also has something to add to this particular discussion.

[hearty harbor]

that it is
found the compare feuture before the share feuture
https://sentinelshare.page.link/h5JS

[velvet bison]

Here's the false color from above with the share link https://sentinelshare.page.link/LguD

[hearty harbor]

late last november and today
https://sentinelshare.page.link/sQQq
Show that yes its not natural and will also be usefull for anyone looking for other simular incursions (or other changes)

[oblique brook]

This doesn't need much corroboration. This is the Mea She'arim neighbourhood of Jerusalem. They're hyper-orthodox anti-Zionist jews that fly the Palestinian flag. What you're seeing there is likely one of the many police operations into quelling these Pro-Palestinian displays (they seize the flag). This level of violence is common in this neighbourhood during the encounters.

[hearty harbor]

Seems like @broken gorge disagree with the reason for that attack
also FFS if they feel the need to put down a that small protest that violently they really can't have any good reasons

[grand fiber]

Can we please not turn this into a debate? Thanks!

[broken gorge]

I don't disagree, I'm just expressing doubts about the comment attached to the video since we've seen similar videos for anti-haredi recruitment in the IDF

[hearty harbor]

Not my intention
I just have no way to say ether way, and here we have two peaple that seem to disagree on what it was about and seem to have authority on the question so thought it would be best if they put their reasoning plain for everyoen to see

[grand fiber]

How about no?

[hearty harbor]

ok
I will refrain from asking for substantiations of sources in the future then

[grand fiber]

That's fine, it's just not a place to settle your disagreements. You're welcome to take those to DMs though.

[hearty harbor]

I don't and never had a disagreements in this question.
Also are "that's fine" suposed to be meant as a "don't ask peaple to substantiate sources" or is it meant as a "it is fine that you ask peaple to substantiate sources"?

[formal musk]

The second one

[hearty harbor]

would it be ok to ask who Edelweiss is than?
would I be correct in assumeing that it is someone you known as a authority on this subject?

[formal musk]

Me personally? I have no idea who that is

[hearty harbor]

sorry missed what the booster icon was about, though it was something more substantial, Ignore my previous question

[velvet bison]

it's not

[old rover]

And this is why we ask you not to turn it into a discussion here.

For reference: we are currently in the top one of these channels. The one for breaking news. #1160132507472244839 message

[hearty harbor]

Then I also apologise for my posts of the satellite image analysis as that on a second thought should been posted somewhare else

[formal musk]

No worries, thanks. But yeah, maybe those are good for #israel-palestine

[hearty harbor]

I will take that into account, didn't think of it this time as it was direct follow-up to previous questions but I will try my best to consider it more carefully next time

[ivory flax]

here, found this to be a well researched overview / historical video explaining quite well and longtime ways back these relevant middle east conflict https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CajjPeRGhHc

[dire summit]

More suitable for #israel-palestine please.
We try and keep this particular space for breaking news on the conflict as per the conversation directly above

[hoary wasp]

https://vxtwitter.com/osinttechnical/status/1719920643938914403?s=46&t=Em0jLeT8wFAMkRtrUQ55wA

[sturdy orbit]

Are't Al-Shifa and Al-Ahil also still active and doing operations?
(source: AJ English)

[oblique brook]

I assume that they are referring to the northern part of Gaza, the city. Al-Shifa and Al-Ahli are not in the northern part of Gaza City. There's still several hospitals operational in Gaza City afaik

[orchid nymph]

@oblique brook is an open source researcher who has been doing geolocation / osint-work in the past as well as now on ISR-PAL.

[pulsar falcon]

https://vxtwitter.com/michaelh992/status/1720041863694954963?s=20

[late kraken]

Any way to verify this is WP? This video was shared by Colombian president Gustavo Petro ||https://twitter.com/madhoun95/status/1720002084488049093||

[pulsar falcon]

iirc there is a video from closer that show it's regular smoke shell (not WP)

https://vxtwitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1719989100365656064?s=20

[late kraken]

I wanted to be sure before posting on #1161401676943609907

[pulsar falcon]

(sorry for the source but here you can see the full length video)

[zenith escarp]

The smoke in the distance at the beginning looks like WP

[orchid nymph]

yea they're operating way too close without respiratory protection for that to be WP.

they are however wisely smothering it in earth. looks like sand or clay-like material.

[topaz oriole]

A lot of gun shots heard on the El Debate stream

[zenith escarp]

This looks like wp

[topaz oriole]

What are the specific non war criminal use cases for WP? I've been told there are some

[pulsar falcon]

illumination, smoke shell, identifying targets, creating backlight against enemies to make combat easier

[topaz oriole]

WHO press conference on Gaza starting soon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sM1ULkxrKI

[pulsar falcon]

https://vxtwitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1720108529460146516?s=20

[pulsar falcon]

https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1720144382920167484?s=20

https://vxtwitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1720145820807557271?s=20

[pulsar falcon]

https://vxtwitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1720166535790985402?s=20

[sturdy orbit]

Where do such accounts get their sources for the map? I see lots of updates like that but there's not much combat footage published
https://vxtwitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1720154499619135581

[orchid nymph]

I've geolocated this.

31.537352501362406, 34.44958330000009

[hot axle]

https://vxtwitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1720191237746020363

https://vxtwitter.com/tom_bike/status/1720190924339237351

[hot axle]

Says Ru https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-771270

[hot axle]

https://vxtwitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1720219804546593126 free ->
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/02/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-gaza-hostages-us.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7kw.ZTmk.VGEQhO6QFxE-&smid=url-share

[orchid nymph]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/02/politics/syrias-assad-hezbollah-wagner-missile-system/index.html

[stark stream]

thinking outloud is Syria banned from accessing the dollar?

[orchid nymph]

Interesting Q iunno

[glacial leaf]

Another journalist (Palestine TV) killed by Israel along with 10 members of his family. via Al Jazeera

[sonic ridge]

You can use earth observational imagery to track things on the ground.

[hoary wasp]

Blinken has arrived in Israel
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67305304?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6544931e25a3f537282841c3%26Blinken arrives in Israel%262023-11-03T06%3A30%3A11.301Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:c588c12b-3610-48ca-bab9-658183c3a2b4&pinned_post_asset_id=6544931e25a3f537282841c3&pinned_post_type=share

new photos from the IDF press office. footage is clean https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1720333386206638223?s=20

https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1720329501584900522?s=20

[orchid nymph]

In the New York Times article, I also read the name of the fantastic @fiery flower who I've been a fan of. Well done, Amelia.

[hoary wasp]

not seeing major developments in the military situation, heavy gunfire can be heard on all streams but the IDF is progressing slowly as has been the pattern. right now it appears the IDF's attention has been drawn north in anticipation of Hezbollah's "big announcement", though I'm not entirely certain if what we're gonna hear will match the hype. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67305304?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6544bd742ea49e2bc0099491%26Israel on 'very high alert' at border with Lebanon - IDF%262023-11-03T10%3A32%3A31.746Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:6d867d79-dfa6-47c0-babb-481d7fd3954e&pinned_post_asset_id=6544bd742ea49e2bc0099491&pinned_post_type=share

right now all eyes are on the Rafah Crossing with some foreign nationals making their way out, though observers are noting that the process is highly chaotic
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67305304?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6544d17c2ea49e2bc00994b8%26There is no system at the crossing%2C British American doctor who left Gaza says%262023-11-03T11%3A04%3A17.453Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:1b80630b-8efa-4479-a338-e7dc2cc5cc9d&pinned_post_asset_id=6544d17c2ea49e2bc00994b8&pinned_post_type=share

the time right now in Gaza is 1314 local, waiting to see what Hezbollah has to say

[pulsar falcon]

did someone post the "algeria authorizes PM to declare war on israel here"

[nocturne void]

I've seen it elsewhere

[pulsar falcon]

https://www.albawaba.net/news/algerian-parliament-authorizes-president-tebboune-support-gaza-amid-israeli-assaults-1540187
i'll leave it here because i think it's relevant but i personally don't think algeria will do anything (doing an expeditionary war is very difficult)

[fiery flower]

Thanks! It's been a really interesting story to work on, just wish I had gotten to do some writing.

[still salmon]

Can anyone geolocate this? https://twitter.com/AJArabic/status/1720424994755199334?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1720424994755199334|twgr^f858e1d0cac51b5a697436b680101a4198add915|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.net%2Fnews%2Fliveblog%2F2023%2F11%2F1%2Fd8a7d984d8add8b1d8a8-d8b9d984d989-d8bad8b2d8a9-d985d8b9d8a7d8b1d983-d8b6d8a7d8b1d98ad8a9-d984d984d985d982d8a7d988d985d8a9-d985d8b9

[hoary wasp]

Hezbollah's speaking now

https://youtu.be/gCNeDWCI0vo

... and nothing of substance. he railed against Israel and the US as usual and called on the arab states to cut all oil exports and embargo the US and Israel, but nothing more

nothing about what Hezbollah's intentions were, so the hype was totally unfounded

[stark stream]

I reckon he is trying to encourage Israel into acting first

[pastel mountain]

Yeah, I suppose the "spiciest" statement was
https://fxtwitter.com/shashj/status/1720432779060494478?t=FOCudJdhl5LuADApZ07R6g&s=19
but nothing to suggest Hezbollah itself will get itself into the war in a major way.

[topaz oriole]

new livestream angle? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqjg493bQ9A

[glacial leaf]

Looks like the view of Gaza from Sderot.

[orchid nymph]

WARNING: The images and videos of what happened at Al-Shifa Hospital are extremely graphic and can cause enormous distress or trauma. Do not approach if you do not know how to take the right precautions. Also remember that you DON'T have to look at them.

If you think that you want to geolocate it, I can provide you of the coordinates of all videos without you having to do it.

[sacred bane]

Is anyone discussing the video of bodies reportedly on "Rasheed Street"? Video surfaced ~3 hour ago I think

On twitter some posts are saying airstrike and some are saying Hamas sniper fire.

Warning: Bodies ||https://vxtwitter.com/ytirawi/status/1720430318484627526?s=20||

There doesnt seem to be an obvious crater or signs of a blast except debris are strewn around

Also need to confirm location

[oblique brook]

In case anyone is working on this strike, here is a very rough sketch of vehicle locations and single/groups of casualties at time of recording that could help with an overview as the videos are chaotic:

[orchid nymph]

Thanks! That's indeed smart.

[orchid nymph]

Most of it took place right in front of the entrance of Al-Shifa and next to the Al Khzindar Petrol Station: 31.523174521429812, 34.443805046013736. All in this same street.

[valid sapphire]

Did they hit alshifa? Sorry, just coming home

[orchid nymph]

Something happened at the entrance of Al-Shifa, yes.

[orchid nymph]

But do keep this in mind.

[valid sapphire]

Omg

[pulsar falcon]

this will be a big disinfo one, ive already seen the hamas sniper fire on my feed

[short yacht]

Can you post an example of the Hamas sniper stuff in the disinfo channel? EDIT thnx

[hollow turret]

Someone's shared a potential geolocation here: https://twitter.com/milesgoscha/status/1720542058161516725

[sacred bane]

thanks, so it is 1.5km from liveua map Israeli area, but still north of Wadi Gaza.

did anyone get a translation of what is being said? ezdubs is failing to get it

[orchid nymph]

https://vxtwitter.com/marcgarlasco/status/1720512468634472601

[sacred bane]

some mistranslations but it doesnt seem to give details on perpetrator or cause

[dire summit]

I'm deleting this due to its graphic nature.
If anyone wants the translated version of the video I'd suggest DM's.

[glacial leaf]

https://vxtwitter.com/sorchapollak/status/1720462800466722903

[topaz oriole]

I've seen this video floating around but I can't tell if it's real or not. I'm leaning towards not because I feel like it would be talked about more.

I've seen it in a couple tg channels. But no real official ones.

https://fxtwitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1720729396422516999

[atomic ridge]

This might be real, but I'd definitely be careful. I've only seen this single 21 second video of the incident being reshared - no other photos or videos and it's been quite a few hours since it was claimed to have happened.

[topaz oriole]

Yea that's what has made me dubious about it.

I've yet to see ANY other footage.

[topaz oriole]

Has anyone else seen any other footage of this?

[valid sapphire]

Only on Twitter from another account. I've seen a cut somewhere in the middle. I think it's def altered.

[old rover]

This claims to be another angle. I haven't looked into it yet. https://vxtwitter.com/fmnews__/status/1720826596859212264

[warped river]

Do you know what time of day this would have been? I'm trying to geolocate the video and knowing shadow direction would be helpful

[orchid nymph]

Smoke formation looks different but possibly taken earlier than the previous video.

[velvet bison]

My thought was the timing isn't the exact same

[orchid nymph]

Thr thick column isnt as defined between 2nd and 1st. Mightve dissipated in that time if related.

[velvet bison]

But then again the first vid has a lot more smoke

I think that might be because of the angle though

[topaz oriole]

I'll take a look at TG

[old rover]

I just added it because it is the only alternative view I could find. Everyone is copying the other video, no aftermath pictures or anything. It's weird.

[velvet bison]

agreed, you'd think a strike that big would have some kind of aftermath photos

[topaz oriole]

||https://t.me/hadshotbeforeveryone/28920|| <t:1699085640:t>

[velvet bison]

Probably wanna spoiler that for graphic content, tg is notorious for it

[topaz oriole]

Looking for an earlier one

||https://t.me/m3rajNet/42043|| No text on this one but a little later so not source, <t:1699087560:t>

[velvet bison]

Do we have the original vid source?

[orchid nymph]

Possibly related?
[Note: credibility of account unknown]

https://vxtwitter.com/adeeb_sheikh1/status/1720835524452045179

[warped river]

Thanks!

[topaz oriole]

||https://t.me/m3rajNet/41996|| <t:1699084380:t> A new massacre committed by enemy aircraft at Al Fakhoura School

this isn't the same school is it?

[velvet bison]

I don't think so

Al Fakhoura https://maps.app.goo.gl/DDBNYXeHWejsbLCP6
Al Azhar https://maps.app.goo.gl/d8D3RfGUN9Z4kXKm9

[topaz oriole]

||https://t.me/From_hebron/147523|| <t:1699085160:t> This appears to be the original video so far.

[orchid nymph]

The earliest I found on Twitter was 9 hrs ago from Clash Report. From there a handful emerged 8 hrs ago, 7 hrs ago, 6, and then a lot more since.

[orchid nymph]

Has a watermark the others lack but this is interesting timing.

[velvet bison]

That kinda lines up with the light in the videos I think, looks like mid morning in the first

And then the aftermath vid looks midday

[orchid nymph]

Found one from 18 hrs ago here
https://vxtwitter.com/Sarah_Hassan94/status/1720576983648616570

[velvet bison]

I do wanna note that the first vid strike looks absolutely massive and nothing like any of the others I've seen out of this round of conflict

[velvet bison]

That really changes timing, makes me a bit more skeptical

[orchid nymph]

One thing that seems odd across both is this unnatural left-right panning. As if both were filmed on a broken phone gimbal.

[old rover]

And it can't have been recent when posted, since that was 1 AM Gaza time.

[velvet bison]

Good point

[orchid nymph]

There are people in the balcony in the 2nd video but they are moving around very casually for what's happening in the background.

[velvet bison]

I'm gonna check sentinel imager, I think it got a pass over the area yesterday but there may have been cloud cover. A strike this big would have aftermath that would be visible I think

[orchid nymph]

Should be.

[velvet bison]

Welp the last pass was Nov 1 so that strategy isn't gonna be useful

[orchid nymph]

Cloudy?

Oh gotcha

[velvet bison]

No, just no passes since then

fwiw someone updated the wikipedia page a while ago, but no source https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Azhar_University_–_Gaza&diff=next&oldid=1182715693

nothing from the school's official twitter.
https://twitter.com/augaza?
their website is down like most *.ps sites

[hot axle]

About 1,000 demonstrators protested in front of Netanyahu's private residence on Gaza Street in Jerusalem, blaming him for the October 7 debacle and calling on him to resign. During the protest, demonstrators broke through two roadblocks and mounted police. https://vxtwitter.com/kann_news/status/1720875270469550097 [Bing trans]

[old rover]

It's really useful if you provide a translation of things you post here. If not, people may just ignore your posts.

Perhaps not the whole thing if it's long, but at least give some indication what the link is about.

[grand fiber]

Twitter's translation feature is becoming increasingly spotty. It's often unavailable so translating is a much higher barrier for readers than it used to be.

[warped river]

definitely take with a big grain of salt as i'm not super experienced geolocating, but i think this video was taken here (https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=de2c7980-c6d9-482c-9f2a-028beeca6ae3&cp=31.514186~34.435627&lvl=18.225313&style=h&pi=0&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027) ? might be good for someone to confirm though lol, i'm not super confident with geolocating yet (pinging @ember pond because iirc you're trying to archive these geolocations, feel free to ignore me if i'm wrong/this isn't helpful). for reference, this is actually a block south of algeria street, but everything else lines up

Apologies, I'm pretty sure this is wrong. The video is at least a few weeks old, see (||https://youtube.com/shorts/UaSPdGC0Uno?si=4LXdgTeeoGw-zE4g||). Spoilering because other videos on this channel might be disturbing.

[old rover]

Half the time I can't even open twitter on first try...

[orchid nymph]

https://vxtwitter.com/clashreport/status/1720856244053770318?t=qjOcpwX3MXuqpGajar0U7Q&s=19

is someone keeping a count of the tank losses so far ?

[old rover]

Hi, try changing the link to vxtwitter.com instead of twitter.com, that way we can see and read it in here.

[hot axle]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/1720866688785134056 Defense HQ also https://vxtwitter.com/MairavZ/status/1720882040759836776

[warped river]

google reverse image search turned up this tweet from October 30 containing a frame from the video (source may not be reliable, the point is just that the image existed on the internet before today/yesterday)

https://vxtwitter.com/MichalSabra/status/1718969990307615183

[warped river]

So sorry, I think this is wrong. This video is at least a couple weeks old. (||https://youtube.com/shorts/UaSPdGC0Uno?si=4LXdgTeeoGw-zE4g||) spoilering in case this channel has other videos that are disturbing. Sorry for the confusion.

[fading fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk0rA4eW_4g

just found this on YouTube, might be useful for before/after imagery in certain areas

[topaz oriole]

Awesome

That's still wild

[velvet bison]

Thanks, fwiw I'm seeing several outlets (of dubious reliability) say this happened today based on tweets that happened today. So obvious there's some very inaccurate info swirling around this

[stiff compass]

Another image of Al-Azhar from November 1 https://fxtwitter.com/emsal1993/status/1719443272689766571

[opal badger]

Hi,
I'm looking for a tweet or the original spreadsheet that someone made analysing if overwhelming bombardment succeeded in achieving objectives for different conflicts, I saw it shared in the discussion of this war but you may have seen it elsewhere, i can't find it now, if someone can link it 🙏

[hollow turret]

The location being hit here is the Al-Azhar University campus at 31.476640, 34.425964.

Saw an image of it from October 29 (could have been from earlier): https://twitter.com/IbtihalGaza/status/1718664957418447015

And looking at PlanetScope imagery from Oct30, you can see there's a large crater near the Arts & Human Sciences building (or what appears to be a large crater)

[velvet bison]

Thanks,. I tried sentinel but didn't see anything assuming the planetscope imagery was higher res

[hollow turret]

There's a sliiiiight change in the Sentinel from what I could see (Oct12 vs. Nov1 comparison)

Definitely some change for the building at 31.476661, 34.426902 — there's a good look at the buildings in this AU Gaza video on YouTube https://youtu.be/N_-_sPrdpus?si=aYFBwboZQtCmAJYR

[velvet bison]

Thanks, I guess I just wasn't looking closely enough at the imagery

I definitely see what you're talking about though

Still confused about not having more aftermath pictures

[hollow turret]

Yeahhhh, haven't seen any aftermath photos myself either. Good video of it being hit here on October 29 from a local journalist with the Arts & Human Sciences building poking out from the smoke: ||https://t.me/hamza20300/173576||

[velvet bison]

One thing I did notice is the newly cut roads are visible very close to here on the Nov 1 images

Looks like ground troop movement nearby

Fwiw, I think this exact place was discussed a couple of days ago here?

[hollow turret]

Notttt sure but wouldn't be surprised! 😅

[velvet bison]

It was #1160132507472244839 message

Just goes to show how much you can miss with 10m resolution

[hollow turret]

Agreeeeed — helps when you have something in mind when you're looking between two sets of imagery. Can then kinda' look for any changes (though still hard to tell what exactly changed without better resolution imagery or videos/photos from the ground)

[velvet bison]

Yeah thanks for checking planetscope to verify. How often do they revisit?

[hollow turret]

Of course! Not sure on the PlanetScope schedule but I think they're able to do it fairly often. Haven't seen any PlanetScope of northern Gaza newer than Oct30 myself though.

[velvet bison]

Thanks! Based on @warped river's find I'm thinking it might be older than the November videos. Idk it's hard to tell #1160132507472244839 message

[hollow turret]

I think the video of the newer Al-Azhar University campus being hit is recent (the area of 31.477202, 34.426268).

The one @warped river pointed out is from the other campus location, closer to downtown Gaza (around 31.513778, 34.439551), and very well could be from an older incident.

[velvet bison]

Gotcha, so hit more than once on different days

[warped river]

Ok yeah that makes a lot more sense.

[glacial leaf]

https://vxtwitter.com/Katchin05/status/1720940930100805935

[thick spruce]

Possibly some more info about this: https://aje.io/ijtsw1?update=2462951

[hoary wasp]

further footage from the IDF press office
https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1721048841389060487?s=20

[sonic ridge]

https://dimse.info/anyvision-oosto/

http://web.archive.org/web/20231105013702/https://dimse.info/anyvision-oosto/

I found an AI Algorithm called 'Better Tomorrow', owned by Oosto/AnyVision, that flags threats based on an identified figure of interest's contact list alone.

Oosto does the Facial Recognition Tech that tracks Palestinians and they claim that their tech is specialised in picking the gaces of individuals out of a crowd.

Israel has confirmed that it is using AI technology in the front lines in combat:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-its-using-ai-to-quickly-identify-and-strike-new-hamas-targets/

[topaz oriole]

Yea it happened. Oct 29th-30th but for some reason the footage went around again.

[velvet bison]

Another drop in connectivity https://vxtwitter.com/netblocks/status/1721207577202008358

[glacial leaf]

Yeah, reporters in Gaza were announcing this on Instagram while showing very close strikes. ☹️

Journalist's family targeted and killed by Israel in a drone attack in southern Lebanon: https://vxtwitter.com/marufhassannaim/status/1721199257309548700

[urban vale]

Can anyone confirm or debunk the supposed failure of Iron Dome near the West Bank?

[velvet bison]

I don't see anything about it except on Palestine/Hamas affiliated channels

No media has confirmed afaict. looking for source of video that is circulating

[thick spruce]

Al Jazeera: Satellite companies backtrack and restrict Gaza images: Report https://aje.io/91bdr3?update=2465181
Referenced article: https://www.semafor.com/article/11/05/2023/satellite-companies-are-restricting-gaza-images

[glacial leaf]

https://vxtwitter.com/malsaafin/status/1721324878819668093

[glacial leaf]

fwiw, this guy talks about it a little bit in his report (Note: He has a slight bias towards Israel) https://youtu.be/IOgpsr6wT8w?feature=shared

[glacial leaf]

Video showing it here: https://vxtwitter.com/LocalFocus1/status/1721268920932274397

[glacial leaf]

liveuapmaps features the report: https://israelpalestine.liveuamap.com/

This is the one for Tel Aviv. Was there another?

[glacial leaf]

https://twitter.com/barakravid/status/1721310376795468057

"BREAKING: The king of Jordan just announced that the Jordanian air force air dropped medical supplies to the Jordanain hospital in Gaza (I think this is the first time such a thing happens and I don't think it could have happened without an OK from Israel)"

[pulsar falcon]

Fwiw Israel's policy here is not something particularly unique

[velvet bison]

As of four hours ago, connectivity is returning https://vxtwitter.com/netblocks/status/1721431793574826118

[hoary wasp]

the Gazan health authority has declared that over 10,000 Palestinians have died in the conflict
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67324897?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6548cda52ea49e2bc0099de0%26Hamas-run health ministry says more than 10%2C000 now killed in Gaza%262023-11-06T13%3A01%3A07.229Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:521f32c4-b5e3-4348-ac3a-f5a0c42304c6&pinned_post_asset_id=6548cda52ea49e2bc0099de0&pinned_post_type=share

[hardy peak]

I wonder how many 9/11s that is 🤔

[formal musk]

Let's keep the channel for sharing news and analysis please

[short yacht]

Huh?

[pulsar falcon]

Oh it didn't tag the reply, was replying to Israel's policy of controlling what embedded media puts out

[dark spindle]

Am also curious as to what happened here, I have only seen this video and the other main one circulating, both claim it's the Iron Dome failing but so far I have not seen anything conclusive as to what went down here

[short yacht]

https://vxtwitter.com/Mehmetcanbekli1/status/1721328990303207568 <- Turkish Journalist

"The Israeli Air Force account accidentally published a picture of an Israeli Apache helicopter carrying a thermal weapon and then immediately deleted it.”

Question is whether that photo is of an aircraft being deployed to the current conflict or whether it's just something they had on hand.

[grand fiber]

See also over in #bombs-arms-drones-other-killing-machines

[short yacht]

Ah my apologies

[grand fiber]

Oh, no, I just meant that there was some additional information over there

[wicked nimbus]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/jordanian-c-130-airdropped-supplies-to-gaza-hospital

[pulsar falcon]

https://vxtwitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1721624965919769047?s=20

[bitter hollow]

Can someone share a good source for the number of killed Israelis since 7th October (including 7th October)? With the number of children killed and possibly a number of IDF soldiers killed.
This infographic https://www.unocha.org/publications/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-reported-impact-6-november-2023-2359 from UN OCHA states that there are 31 children in 1135 identified killed out of ~1400 reported killed, and they attribute that number to "Israeli authorities" without any specifics, so, I have some doubts about those numbers.

[formal musk]

You mean you wanna know which Israeli authority in particular released that figure? Or you want a figure from someone other than Israeli authorities?

[sonic ridge]

(Spoiler Sensitive Content)
https://vxtwitter.com/gaza_report/status/1721839237438243036

[sonic ridge]

One hopes they not hostages.

[valid sapphire]

It's a voice over. I will post the original in Disinfo

[bitter hollow]

I'd like to know how trustworthy are those numbers. My google-fu was not good enough to find either the place those numbers were published by an Israeli authority or the specific Israeli authority that published them.
So, any info that would help find the original source or to positively or negatively affect my trust in those numbers would be welcome, including any other published statistic by Israeli authorities or trustworthy NGO.

[sonic ridge]

To be fair, Israeli Authorities often couldn't agree amongst themselves in the days after 7th what the figures were.

[pulsar falcon]

||https://vxtwitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1721845083673424001?s=20|| reports of clashes between the PA's security forces and other groups north of Ramallah

CW: dead body

[hybrid lintel]

Which tbf is to be expected, given the time needed to identify the remains, account for those missing/taken as hostage etc

[sonic ridge]

This and, unsurprisingly, the inflation of stats on both sides.

Aka. intimidation tactics.

[formal musk]

Well, unless there's any hard evidence to believe that theres inflation or deflation of numbers of fatalities I don't know if it's helpful to assume that the numbers are fake.

If you do youre a skip and a hop away from the "they're crisis actors" people IMO

[shut ocean]

Is google map don't update they're map different between Bing map and google map can anyone explained ?

[formal musk]

They're different companies so they update differently

[grand fiber]

They buy satellite imagery independently from one another.

They might not even buy from the same companies.

[shut ocean]

thanks for that because i had some difficulties when i try geolocated some places

[orchid nymph]

the upside to what you showed above is there is a before and after comparison for free. doesn't always play out that way, but sometimes it's helpful to establish a timeline of events or understand how an area was built up (or torn down) across two points in time.

[grand fiber]

Google Earth Pro also offers free access to old images.

[umbral pilot]

Another alternative would be USGS's EarthExplorer, it's probably more up-to-date than google earth pro. But it UI interface and different imagery options makes it a bit of a challenge to learn and get used to.
https://earthexplorer.usgs.gov/

[orchid nymph]

good cross-post for #tools-and-sites

[short yacht]

https://vxtwitter.com/aayoub/status/1721908670198370807

Wondering if anyone knows of sources on this incident? I'll write to the author and ask for further information. Cursory Twitter search didn't show anything, though the site is barely rendering for me right now.

[atomic ridge]

Struggling to find anything that even remotely matches this. He doesn't seem to be claiming it was recent, but even looking back over the last few weeks I can't find anything. I'm almost wondering if he mistook "Palestinian Authority" (PA) for "Pennsylvania" in some incident.

[short yacht]

He's national exec director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in DC so I'd be extremely surprised if he made that fundamental of a mistake

[atomic ridge]

lol, yeah. This somewhat matches the concept, but no details about Pennsylvania or 5 people, etc: https://twitter.com/SiaTeaPal/status/1720554525130449193

[short yacht]

Thanks for finding that. If Abed replies to me I'll reply with an update.

[glacial leaf]

https://vxtwitter.com/hindhassannews/status/1720380054746591650

[velvet bison]

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-11-7-2023-6e1425d218de6a73f8a51e4c036cfd39

Israel fights Hamas in ‘depths’ of Gaza City, foresees control of enclave’s security after war

[glacial leaf]

https://vxtwitter.com/ajenglish/status/1721894231105802397

[tight kernel]

CPJ has been publishing an ongoing list (Abu Hasira hasn't been added yet). This is definitely one of the deadliest conflicts for journalists
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cpj.org/2023/11/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/amp/

Ope they just added him

[sand dock]

Handful of explosions in the past 10 minutes being shown on chiosphotos.gs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqLav6DV1iY

[glacial leaf]

https://vxtwitter.com/dcipalestine/status/1721943556330250251

[glacial leaf]

https://vxtwitter.com/qudsnen/status/1722045168382021929

[tight kernel]

Hamas got into a lot of military posts, correct? So I would expect a significant number of soldiers

[glacial leaf]

Exactly what they penetrated and who was killed is still unclear to me.

[short yacht]

From: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-19/ty-article-magazine/israels-dead-the-names-of-those-killed-in-hamas-massacres-and-the-israel-hamas-war/0000018b-325c-d450-a3af-7b5cf0210000

Idk how the posted list compares to the Haaretz info. The posted list contains rank info for the shaded portion, unsure if that just means people who were active in IDF but on leave, IDF killed in the fighting, people who formerly served, etc. Also unsure if either list includes children.

How many names are listed in the image posted by Israel's Twitter?

[hoary wasp]

Do those Kibbutz security forces made up of local residents fall under the IDF? Or are they an independent militia?

[short yacht]

No idea honestly

[tight kernel]

Good question

[stiff compass]

That seems like an incorrect and misleading tweet because it's going by area, not number of names (when the names of military personal are often much longer), and it's selecting the entire second half of the list even though there appear to be many non-military names in that section

[short yacht]

QNN is more propaganda/narrative shaper than journalistic

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2015/1026/Palestinian-uprising-Upstart-website-feeds-youth-the-news-they-want

[velvet bison]

QNN is absolutely a Palestine aligned group. Although I wish you could have found a better source for that than the CS monitor lol

[glacial leaf]

Hadn't seen this- thank you!

[velvet bison]

I'm not faulting you @short yacht, just found it amusing

[short yacht]

Nah I agree. But it's the one wikipedia cites for the QNN journalist's quote about their intention as a media company

[sonic ridge]

https://idfanc.activetrail.biz
Appears to be the url for the PR CMS for the IDF.
Reports usually appear there before propagating through the system.

They'd been publishing ongoing lists of the names of deceased forces that were approved for publication.

[hybrid lintel]

Given that Israel has mandatory draft, people who formerly served would be the majority of the population, so not sure this would be saying much

[short yacht]

I assume Haaretz is classifying people who were actively serving under "military". But don't know for sure. Would seem to defeat the purpose of the filter for them to include all who served under it.

[hybrid lintel]

Yes, the Haaretz filter probably includes active soldiers. But it does not show that the victim were mostly soldiers, as QNN claims

[short yacht]

Post was deleted so can't refer to it. Idk if they said most [EDIT they do] they definitely framed it in a misleading way.

[grand fiber]

Huh, if we're talking about the post Research Enjoyer shared here, that doesn't show up as deleted for me.

[short yacht]

Force closed/restart the app and I'm seeing it again. A block of messages weren't rendering for some reason

[pastel mountain]

I mean the name of the network (Quds, or "holy") makes it clear that it's a religious Islamic or Islamist source, and in the Palestinian context it may also affiliate it directly to Hamas's military arm. It's also explicitly banned in the PA areas as an anti-Fatah and allegedly pro-Hamas source, and it has been previously banned by eg Twitter and TikTok for extremist content. So it's not just "Palestinian aligned", it's regarded and officially treated as an extremist source internationally and in Palestine.

[pastel mountain]

FWIW influencers that at least I regard as having similarly strong leanings (like @Partisangirl) have posted up to 10 year old images of the rave massacre victims including Shani Louk during their conscript services, and suggested this made them military targets

[valid sapphire]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-targets-hamas-tunnels-after-encircling-gaza-city-2023-11-08/

[atomic ridge]

The Haaretz filter is definitely for active duty soldiers (304).

Still a strange discrepancy in the Israeli casualty numbers: Haartz has 1142 ID'd folks but their list does not appear to have any children under about 12. The OCHA data says 31 children out of 1135 ID'd casualties. There's still this ~300 person discrepancy of unidentified people and it's been about the same for the last two weeks.

Would be helpful if anyone finds a text version of the image Israel posted (and quds highlighted)... just eyeballing, the names are all run together and include some lengthy titles like "COMMAND SERGEANT MAJOR OFFICER <name>"

[short yacht]

I'm starting to see that QNN gaining traction and being used to cast doubt on the scale of the tragedy on the 7th. It's very depressing. IDF and Israeli gov aren't reliable sources as far as I'm concerned but that doesn't mean a mass slaughter of civilians didn't happen. Don't have to resort to blatant misinformation to communicate the low point this is for humanity; there's enough horror all around.

[velvet bison]

don't have nitro but worry nod is very appropriate here

[atomic ridge]

Just like with questioning Palestinian casualties, I really wish we could get out of this loop. Both IDF and Hamas have lied in the past, but we can all see very clearly there was a massacre on October 7th and there is a massacre going on now. It doesn't need to be a competition for people to see innocent people are dying and have died on both sides. (this is probably veering too into politics, but just wanted to highlight that I'm NOT trying to disprove Israeli casualties, just trying to get clarity)

[tight kernel]

Yeah I agree that I don't think we need to keep doing this. Let's just prove, disprove, or say we don't have enough information for each claim. Considering the source is one aspect, certainly, but open source research has always been about proving/disproving facts in spite of the messenger.

This should be applied to everyone - if I say something, check my work! Don't take my word. And do the same for every other claim out there.

[fervent fable]

Human Rights Watch investigation on the strike on the ambulance at the entrance of al Shifa finds zero evidence that any militants were near or in the ambulance - it was carrying a woman.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/07/gaza-israeli-ambulance-strike-apparently-unlawful

[sonic ridge]

Have you seen any groups attempting to identify on a more granular level the individuals behind the more extreme events of the 7th?

[tight kernel]

No

[sonic ridge]

Can you think of any academic research groups that are normally engaged in OSINT work at this level?

[tight kernel]

I am sure the community can give input as well

[glacial leaf]

https://vxtwitter.com/evanhill/status/1722018006178386119

[glacial leaf]

Any info on the ambulance that was struck outside the Indonesian Hospital?

Nurse mentioned it in the interview posted above.

[random birch]

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-11-09-2023-f11425ba2ed0bcd9dc8aee6c456c7233

[pulsar falcon]

https://vxtwitter.com/manniefabian/status/1722604781536194581?s=20

probably a shahed type i guess?

[shut ocean]

https://vxtwitter.com/ytirawi/status/1722642183042261496?s=20 Geolocation footage 31.566625100588052, 34.470340424051386 Bianco Resort 3.5 km from the dividing line

[nocturne void]

hamas terrorists in uniform inside the Indonesian hospital in gaza
(ranks can be seen on shoulders)

[glacial leaf]

Is that what Al Jazeera is reporting or what the Hebrew overlay says? I can't make out much from that clip.

[short yacht]

Could you post the source and take a screenshot and mark up what you're seeing

[glacial leaf]

It looks like Al-Shifa Hospital has no electricity. Does anyone have info?

[short yacht]

https://vxtwitter.com/QudsNen/status/1722378589264290125

Anyone geolocated this footage?

[fervent fable]

Looks like a walking cane or crutches to me. Not a gun.

I also cannot see any Hamas uniforms or shoulder badges.

[velvet bison]

Looks like it does to me still
https://youtu.be/oqLav6DV1iY?t=716330s | 2023-11-09 | ~22:31:00 UTC+0 | Chiosphotos.gr

[glacial leaf]

I was comparing that to Hassan's feed but now his feed shows some light.

[formal musk]

Ya that doesn't look like a rifle at all

[astral topaz]

Looks like a police baton or similar

[velvet bison]

yeah, that's what I thought too

[astral topaz]

Could be almost anything but not a rifle for sure

[fervent fable]

Al Jazeera Arabic reported that they have electricity remaining only for the ICU and Neonatal unit

[glacial leaf]

Thank you. I am just catching up on the news since 15 hours or so ago. I did read on LiveUAmap that Indonesian Hospital has only enough fuel to operate for 24 hours and all eye and mental health clinics/hospitals in Gaza have ceased operating.

[short yacht]

It's probably an ever changing situation as to how long they expect to have the lights on

[nocturne void]

from what I've understood it's not what Al Jazeera is reporting and Al Jazeera deleted the clip

[nocturne void]

0:10 and 0:11

https://t.me/abualiexpress/53179

[short yacht]

And that's established to be among the varieties of uniform Hamas wears? Not police, paramedic, or official of some kind?

[glacial leaf]

Considering this Telegram channel is your source, this might better go in the Disinfo channel.

[pulsar falcon]

Fwiw most Hamas fighters I've seen are wearing civilian clothes

[pastel mountain]

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/20120_1_6-Palestinian-police.jpg

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20221101-gaza-police-and-security-officers-march-to-honour-colleagues-killed-in-west-bank/

Here are at least a couple of types of police uniforms. The camo one is apparently shared with PA's police, which started a common deployment in Gaza some years ago

Seems that at least in the ceremonial version the rank symbols are below the shoulder

[hoary wasp]

https://vxtwitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1722884803131838787?s=20

[pulsar falcon]

https://vxtwitter.com/michaelh992/status/1722902900945387992?s=20

[valid sapphire]

Be careful with the footage of the newest al-shifa attack going around

[pulsar falcon]

the one from last night?

[valid sapphire]

Jep

[pulsar falcon]

i didnt watch the footage - just saw it mentioned that it was an r9x which to me seems off

[valid sapphire]

Yeah, it's not as it seems, but the footage of the victims is gore

[pulsar falcon]

https://vxtwitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1722917125260443850?s=20

hey this eliot higgins guy seems smart we should invite him onto the server

[agile remnant]

seen this posted: https://vxtwitter.com/GhassanAbuSitt1/status/1722977553101562156

Al Jazeera has the director on live that says the outpatient dept and delivery yard were hit, killing dozens.

[velvet bison]

is this a different hit than last the one from last night?

[agile remnant]

Yes, apparently happened this morning, i wasn't sure myself initially

[velvet bison]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/10/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news/video-shows-a-blast-rocked-al-shifa-hospital?smid=url-share

[agile remnant]

that's last night's illumination shell

[velvet bison]

Yep, But the update was four minutes ago

fwiw, the live stream that's up right now still shows lights around al-Shifa (on the right side of the stream) https://youtu.be/DSbZ56l9FUc?t=15197s | 2023-11-10 | ~16:13:50 UTC+0 | El Debate

Could be a partial collapse or something but it looks like it's still standing, to me

[agile remnant]

yeah, AJ had live footage from inside the hospital, so it's definitely partial if at all

don't know how to cut AJ's live stream, but transcribing the director:
"our hospital was shelled, the yard, then the outpatient clinic, and then after that the delivery ward was shelled, dozens of patients, let alone victims were killed"

[short yacht]

Did they mean physical collapse or operational collapse?

[agile remnant]

ah yeah, operational might make more sense

[umbral pilot]

Ok, I'm at work so I don't have the timestamp tool or audio. But was scrolling through the replay of the El Debate Stream from your timestamp, and the hospital wasn't obscured by smoke if you go back 60 minutes from your timestamp, might be closer than 40 to 50 minutes. But its a rough guesstimate

[velvet bison]

here? https://youtu.be/DSbZ56l9FUc?t=13014s | 2023-11-10 | ~15:54:46 UTC+0 | El Debate

[umbral pilot]

Yeah, smoke starts to fill the camera view of the hospital within 5-10 minutes of that timestamp.

[velvet bison]

Obviously take with a grain of salt (looking for other sources) https://vxtwitter.com/PalestineRCS/status/1723013116986802547

[velvet bison]

This is the earliest post I see on twitter https://vxtwitter.com/Mmt90_/status/1723012207284216052

[valid sapphire]

@south cairn I've seen the video this morning and there's no reason to doubt on it. I gave a warning for it's graphic footage. Since everyone is screaming Pallywood at all footage and misinformation is spread on purpose, it's hard to see clear

[south cairn]

I know, I also think its real. I justed needed some context, so I could convince others.

[south cairn]

This was helpful: #1160132507472244839 message

[valid sapphire]

There's more footage. I saved a few videos, will go through it

[south cairn]

I know I saw more as well. Most a very violent and I didnt want to share them. But the rocket impact is quite convincing evidence I guess

[valid sapphire]

I can't today but I will look tomorrow if there's a match on location

[fair magnet]

So #1161401676943609907 message
and the impact here #1160132507472244839 message
are two different strikes. The second link was the shell of an illumination artillery round impacting a car, and wounding 2 or 3 individuals. The first video, the one you linked to is not consistent with an empty illumination round impacting.

[south cairn]

Makes sense, because my video is daylight

[fair magnet]

Here's an edit from that video, with no sound, no blood, that shows the part of the video that shows the damage to the roof, which is the only visible blast damage I saw. If anyone has additional video that shows more of the specific structural damage, especially directly underneath the significant hole in the roof I'd appreciate it

[hollow turret]

another look at the roof damage, in a video from Saleh Aljafarawi shared on Telegram (quite graphic in parts)

[final nimbus]

Is there an explanation for so many tiny holes surrounding the large main hole?

[fair magnet]

Fragmentation from the munition that exploded. Looks like it hit the roof and detonated, and then shrapnel created additional holes in the roof, and created additional fragmentation.

[hollow turret]

some more of the area underneath the hole in the roof:

better look at the hole from another Aljafarawi video: