TASS called the gunmen under the building of the Russian Defense Ministry the fighters of "PMC Wagner.
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was this one posted yet? https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1672436158494638082?s=20
Lots of milling about, waiting to see what's going to happen.
https://t.co/DHiHOwbIhd
They literally just waltzed in and took it
With the scooters lying around
armour plated scooters. thats individual armoured mobility right there
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Fun wrinkle to all of this is that there are (reportedly) Akhmat troops stationed south of Rostov. They will definitely not let Wagner fighters walk by untouched, as Rosgvardia has.
thanks, i've got a lot going on 
no worries, it's definitely a lot to keep track of as an observer, never mind also having to moderate on top of that 😄
and worked all day etc 😅
Mind sharing where is this from?
Congratulations to Russia for not only becoming the second strongest army in Ukraine but also the second strongest army in Rostov-on-Don
Just down the road (47.2204924, 39.7019295)
I remember reading in school about how there would be crowds of civilians who'd recreationally watch battles in the 18th/19th century, and about how insane that sounded at the time.
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Of all places this thing can actually happen, Russia is the least surprising
He says white armbands are wagner, red MoD
Yep, shared a bit ago
Woo! Called it!
I see similair looking bldgs, but not same arch or color and none say military hq?Q
Granted I'm surprised they're giving out armbands to the military in Russia
I think think the armbands are various police/security forces
not straight up MoD or military
wagner may have armbands, sure
That's fair. I'm used to seeing the red/white on Russian troops and green/yellow on Ukes
yeah I think tape bands are probably wagner
I shared that clip around 20 minutes ago. It's ok, lots of movement here lol
the building of the Ministry of Defense in Rostov is being seized.
#Wagner #Russia #Prigozhin #coup
OK, I believe you. OSINT tech posted it at 10:27
Guess what guys? Rostov has its own nuclear plant, so soon we can start that whole rigamarole over again.
wagner mutiny smh
idk how to feel about this
You don't have to believe me 😛 But here's the link: #1121882157414100993 message
osinttech is pulling stuff from telegram channels. its not original content
Yep, that's my main grippe with Osinttechnical, he never posts his sources
I took a break and lost it, lol. Aric Toler 46 min ago, just saw it. Never mind! @honest hemlock
or take parts of the country
Embarrass Putin I think
shoigu ordered a deliberate airstrike and purportedly killed ~2k wagnerites, so prigozhin wants shoigu's head in a noose
Hope they last long enough to disrupt stuff and help Ukraine. Hope they get crushed before stuff spirals. And pray to anything that they don't win somehow
Rostov People’s Republic
ALLEGEDLY
He wants Shoigu, Gerasimov and co out. He's ok with Putin
PURPORTEDLY
that makes most sense
Consensus is that was fake
Lazy fake at that
who's consensus?
allegedly, lol. was the dinkiest airstrike
cant believe he'd be foolish enough to storm moscow
it's not a coup, it's a special marching operation
nevermind ill scroll up
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go read aric's twitter
If that really happen then Shoigu would have got an employee of the week award from Ukraine
link?
The long-awaited special news broadcast on state TV just started. It began by calling Prigozhin's video a fake.
https://t.co/o2gFi9dxY2
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Shoigu gets the employee of the week at MoD from Ukraine every week; he is the worst general ever, it is a running joke within the Ukraine military
Mind pinning it, Sarah?
The video footage Prigozhin posted earlier on June 23, reportedly showing a Russian Defense Ministry strike on a Wagner Group camp, is very likely staged. https://t.co/GgNX8WqM4m
Both can be true - there could have been a strike and video could be doctored at the same time.
also this @fresh tree
thanks, i got my hands full lol
ok so now im confused, the strike was fake and now he's storming?
Probably prepared in advance
interesting
But not likely. Film it if you got it.
Idk, history has some examples of terrible military ineptitude. But yeah, it shows Shoigu skills revolve around keeping chairs, because he lacks any military training to start with
Likely an excuse/propoganda since MOD demanded they sign contracts under them before July or else.
no surprise really
didnt he present his own contracts?
its so hard to know wtf is real anymore
Meduza:
The video footage posted by Prigozhin earlier on June 23 that reportedly shows the aftermath of a Russian rocket strike on a Wagner rear camp is almost certainly staged. Here’s why:
Whoever is filming doesn’t run away from the explosion, as you would expect if they feared more artillery or rocket strikes, but moves toward it.
The people speaking off camera, before they could have gotten any real details about the incident, come to the conclusion that the Ukrainian military “can’t get at us” and that only their own “allies” could have carried out the strike.
There’s no visible crater in any of the posted footage, or any dirt that a normal explosion would gave scattered. The surrounding vegetation and trees appear essentially unharmed, which rules out a rocket that exploded in the air. Most likely, the explosion was caused by a hand grenade going off under a tent or in one of the camp’s numerous structures.
One part of the footage shows two fires burning in a dugout, but the fresh cover of leaves in the dugout is undamaged, and there are no visible artillery casings around.
Prigozhin reported that the strike left a large number of victims, but the footage doesn’t show any of them. One clip shows part of a human body, but the color of the dried blood on it suggests that the person died much earlier than when the alleged strike took place.
Uhhh.... I don't know if this is 100% guys, one way or the other
makes my brain hurt
But ignored, its all part of PR under this theory where he prentends to neogoshiate and then claims he is attacked for demanding better terms for his men. This provides justification for war.
All I say is that if you ask me to choose to believe between Prigozhin or Meduza, I'm very biased towards the latter
South of Rostov in the town of Bataisk, fighters of PMC "Wagner" were also seen. https://t.me/ASupersharij/20812
can someone link me to the full video that prig acct posted of the strike? (I don't have telegram)
things are happening, huh
welcome back
aric, my dude
Hi Aric, nice evening right?
i figure you know but this is by far the fastest video with local videos https://t.me/etorostov
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in short I don't think Eliot's gonna get his money back
https://t.me/Donbas_Operativniy/45238
‼️ Rosgvardia riot police refused to open fire on Wagner's protesters at the checkpoints at the entrance to the city...
The tanks and infantry of the Prigozhin drove right up to the headquarters of the Russian Southern District Command in Rostov.
Spreading out across the Don
Now Moscow Mayor Sergey Sobyanin has acknowledged the commotion in the Russian capital’s streets, saying an “anti-terrorism event aimed at heightened security measures” is underway. Russian bureaucrats really know what people need to hear in a crisis. https://t.co/Bm9IoXIfZW
augh can someone download and post this video?
https://t.me/Prigozhin_hat/3797
oh the "airstrike"
genuinely less convincing than the bald guy next to the burning car at the start of the war
yeah fake as hell
convenient how the only thing burning was in the trench
I saw his tweet abt i# - had it in my mouse, and twitter started failing. That was hrs ago . Got it: https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1672317105134247941
Prigozhin better not get himself killed, he owes me 70 grand.
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i got bad news for eliot
That’s fair
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1672443962752217088 Rostov
Meanwhile, traffic police officers gathered in a circle near the Voroshilovsky Bridge and are waiting for something.
Highest resolution photo I've seen so far of some of the men in Rostov. Note the white arm bands.
https://t.co/pQ9KAriiLH
3rd from the left guy trying to hide his face
They look kind of slovenly in those pants
I wonder if the convicts are reliable enough for this work?
Remember news about Peskov’s son serving in Wagner? That’s so awkward now
Seems there was combat at Rassvet at 3:56 local time https://t.me/etorostov/26886
Prigo isn't going after Peskov I believe
‼️ Part of the units of the All-Russian Armed Forces on the territory of Ukraine have come under the command of Prigozhin - Russian channels...
Fighting is expected on the Taganrog highway, where Akhmat fighters occupy positions.
https://t.me/Donbas_Operativniy/45241
"I sent my son on a mission. A secret mission. To infiltrate these traitors."
take w/ grain of salt
alright let us start by assuming this video is not fake dispite Meduza debunking it from various angles
- no large scale black burn marks from a blast, but lots of downed vegetation from a pressure wave or shrapnel
- debris from destroyed camp DOES have some black burn marks and impact spots - it looks like frag munitions?
https://t.me/milinfolive/102537 possibly geolocatable if they are where they say they are
That’s some master strategy!
Knowing Wagner, I think the arm is real, at least
it looks like frag, just a lot of frag
Are riot troops on way to confront in Rostov? https://twitter.com/DefenseBulletin/status/1672444337991430144
A tank with a name on it, how cute
https://t.me/milinfolive/102538
while the video does look very fake, im nto sure meduza's debunking is worth anything
"** and there are no visible artillery casings around.**"
not the grandma beaters! whatever shall the mercenaries do?
https://vxtwitter.com/igorsushko/status/1672442517252603904?t=xY77VaEmMJYSTZlXppR08Q&s=19
Nevermind the source
🚨 Russia: Military columns rushing from Azov to Rostov-on-Don. These are likely Russian units that switched to Prigozhin's side.
artillery casings get fired along with the shell right? like bad cgi bullets in segal movies
Is this account reliable? Its extremely biased
You heard the same report I did?!
Great, now I'm thinking about where Seagal will end up in this conflict instead of sleeping. He was training Russian soldiers in aikido and I bet Wagner hasn't accounted for that
I think there MIGHT be evidence of a cluster munition used here
The "Siberia", so guess the driver is some Buryat or another minority from the region
wonder if you'd be able to find that tank anywhere else in the past (name could have been recent)
is this series of roadblocks new?
that's why I wanted to point it out
I don't recall them
time to 
That is a case of a shitty translation. In Russian it in the article it is written as "there are no shell fragments"
There are also blocks near Tula, I don't think those were there
And that's rather close to Moscow 👀
(No, Wagner is not there already, it's 12h of drive on a regular car between Rostov and Moscow)
thats better, but the idea of shell fragments is that they fly rather fast away from the explosion
how about this
The ones I was mentioning now, Tula is at the West
What's the actual datapoint for verifying that?
Speculation at this point, even if it would be logical
Might be late on this but https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1672446753038307335?s=46&t=gbgvTp1ROLI9fTX4wd0prQ
BREAKING: Exiled Russian businessman and opposition activist Mikhail Khodorkovsky calls on Russians to back Wagner Group
the photos are from a telegram post https://t.me/milinfolive/102539
Meduza says "Whoever is filming doesn’t run away from the explosion, as you would expect if they feared more artillery or rocket strikes, but moves toward it." but there are no explosions in the video, it is all aftermath?
"The people speaking off camera, before they could have gotten any real details about the incident, come to the conclusion that the Ukrainian military “can’t get at us” and that only their own “allies” could have carried out the strike." -- they are speaking about the aftermath, a while after it happened?
"There’s no visible crater in any of the posted footage, or any dirt that a normal explosion would gave scattered. The surrounding vegetation and trees appear essentially unharmed, which rules out a rocket that exploded in the air. Most likely, the explosion was caused by a hand grenade going off under a tent or in one of the camp’s numerous structures." ... a frag cluster munition? There are some impact sites that are bigger than hand-grenades. The large volume of displaced leaves means there was a shockwave.
Who at Meduza was making these assertions?
well it was not the only and not even the first or the main evidence. However, while Meduza's take sounds legit and logical it is not a hard debunk.
Is it this one? https://t.me/etorostov/26890?single
Verifying the claim that the LGMs are Wagner
It could be a log I guess?
❗️Губернатор Lipetsk Region Artamonov:
"We are holding a meeting with the law enforcement agencies in the Lipetsk Oblast department of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. All units are working as usual. Among other things, we are solving the problem of informing people about the closure of roads in the southern direction. Once again I ask the residents of the Lipetsk region to refrain from travelling".
These are Russian military police UAV Patriot and Tigr-M vehicles and a possible Ural-VV MRAP. 10/
https://t.co/dNWAP1Jkz9
The formation of the soldiers reminds me about the "object securing" they did in Oslo on July 22
Just way more aggressive, obviously
I am not ready to die on this hill and this does not support the video or the debunk, but I don't think we could with any certainty debunk whatever the f these ?objects? are. Either way, they could be arranged on purpose, so no hard evidence either way. However I would assume that a weighty piece of metal with a velocity of explosion would have planted itself deeper. Dunno, not a pro
https://t.me/ASupersharij/20814 business as usual in Rostov
Are you assuming it was a missile?
A large one, like a cruise missile?
they're not fighting for it
‼️ Some of the Wagnerians from Rostov are traveling to Voronezh, where they are preparing to meet the Akhmatchay...
Cheering for both sides
https://t.me/Donbas_Operativniy/45244
I see that this account is Ukrainian, is it reliable or is it a psyops account?
It looks to me like frag munitions, grenades, rockets, artillery, maybe even airborne cannon fire?
All frag, anti-personnel, no thermobaric or high explosive
they seem like they're behind the news by an hour but otherwise pretty good
i think it's relevant to ask that of russian channels atm too
a lot of people are taking videos, a bit surreal: https://t.me/etorostov/26897
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He will be in charge of strategy
Curious about the reports russian units are switching over to Wagner has there been any proof of this?
Eg TASS identifies the LGMs as Wagner, but I can still see that happen by mistake
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1672444866763145220?t=9AGRHDna3KrnCB4awLjAdg&s=19
no
They didn't shoot back in Rostov, not sure if they turned though
I love this video
i don't take surrendering to mean switching, and perhaps they surrendered in Rostov. Or switched. at this time there is no proof
or fled
At the moment I try not to assume anything about this, at is it not clear what we are supposed to be looking for, at least based on the Wagner sources. If we listen to them - we can be looking for anything, and if we are looking for anything - we will find an evidence of something. Of something that was not neccesserily was there.
However I find it unlikely that an artillery piece fired a single round and decided that it was enough.
Too tired to keep observing. Good day to everyone!
I agree - it’s possible that it’s true they’ve switched but I’m seeing many jump the gun to say that non engagement = support.
It looks like an airstrike, it was described as one, so any 'artillery' would be cannon fire probably
there are multiple horizontal craters
which are probably not what you're looking for?
oh yeah people were already talking about nukes
it's all very "trust me bro" on a lot of it
there's horizontal ejecta, not vertical
there's a lot of displaced leaves, so shockwave of some airburst (probably frag) too
Why isn't Prigozhin bragging about Rostov yet?
Is ejecta a word?
yes.
I see. Ty for these nice details
I remember watching the Turkish coup unfold, and it was a lot more convincing than this tbh, and people still think that was fake. Until i see actual shooting i wont believe anything
Coup paralysis is a thing
(I mean, I just invented the term, but it just is)
i don't see any blood in the Rostov pictures and I do see a bunch of very close, very unworried civilians, so I figure anything that doesn't involve combat is possible
Damn!
switching, surrendering, fleeing
there's one of those unworried civilians right now 
little to no resistance, genuinely shocking
Now it’s supposed to be Moscow
Likely Russian MoD BTR-80s and Ural trucks on the Moscow Automobile Rin Road (MKAD)
During a famous Norwegian bank-robbery (as depicted in the movie Nokas) it was striking how life went as usual while there was a heavy gunfight in the middle of a town.
question- back when the ukranian war broke out there were 3-4 hobbyists in the bellingcat channel who seemed to specialized in tracking US, Russian, and NATO aircraft- stuff like antinuclear warfare craft for signs of a conflict heating up
In this photo you can clearly see how on one side of Budyonnovsky stands the equipment of PMC Wagner, and on the other side of the Defense Ministry https://t.me/russianpatriot233/7064
Anyone from that crew following this thread and been watching things?
here's some impacts on a tree, this looks like the side that got hit - API rounds
this is the one of the other sides
There’s a pretty huge media blackout over there though - huge amounts of censorship, the Russian people haven’t even been able to officially call it a war, and some of the clips showed people in the streets filming saying “who / what is this?” So it all may just be total confusion
Check in project owl
Lotta peeps are very good at that over there
Large traffic jams reported in the Voronezh region as Russians are trying to flee the advancing Wagner troops following the military coup in Russia.
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So@e of them are also here
Stuff like this is when Bellingcat is at its best.
Just not reading as much
I am in awe of all of you.
Is russian censoring possible to survey? Eg BGP etc?
more caffiene = more knowledge
southern roadblock is growing and northern appeared
Pretty sure the other traffic jam video showed the traffic stopped headed TOWARDS Rostov...
Can't ever trust Visegrad
they is guaranteed to be virtually no coverage of this - at least not in an honest way. Therefore the expectation of organised resistance is a little farcical considering even Moscow are in the back foot.
If there are people who like doing spreadsheets, now is the time
is it just me or did everything just totally pause like 30min ago
Just you.
Specifically?
lol i mean like no more movements, people just standing still, no new videos
we got that video of the lady sweeping
well, they're still on their way to Vorozhnye
daylight puts a damper on things
A somewhat surreal sight in Rostov as street cleaners continue on their Saturday morning duties.
There's this effect when a lot of material is released, that new material does not propagate as easily.
Which extension/site are you using for the total overlay? Haven’t looked much at it before but was thinking today that it could be useful in I/P riots (where lots of phones are on specific subsections of streets)
Assumed there was something that would give you an overview of all streets at once but hadnt looked yet
russia is rather large the next significant targets are hours apart
just boring google maps in a browser because I can't be assed to sit at my real pc
i mean nothing new in rostov. they were moving towards the MO building then... silence
Can you select to show traffic in general? Man i really haven’t been looking properly the last decade
yeah, they just... took it
Then again i guess i’ve never needed it before
Have you found primary sources for those videos?
I’d presume they’re just setting up some improv defensive positions (not peak telegram footage)
user submitted to local TG channels
But just good old presumptions
Prigozhin claiming there are 25k of them, where are all the rest?
well there's a couple headed North and South
another dot to the north
removing the "allegedly" part from the title any time soon?
Any activity on SDR?
https://t.me/ASupersharij/20816 Footage from Voronezh oblast
any verification on the first video you've seen https://t.me/vchkogpu/39384
I just want to point out that we still haven’t seen a single Wagner insignia or something that can confidently identify Wagner as far as I am aware
except for TASS confirming that it's Wagner and everyone on the ground saying it's Wagner
I saw one of them had a pot leaf and 420 drawn on their helmet, didnt seem like a MP thing
yes but as someone with some v basic military training so positions are not defensive in the slightest
christo said what I was just thinking: "little green men" https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1672453428646379523?s=20
https://t.me/Donbas_Operativniy/45250 More footage from Voronezh
More street cleaners https://vxtwitter.com/ralee85/status/1672454159424016384?s=46&t=MDxryAqm1PZ6AocrV64Cbg
The street cleaners may be in charge.
https://t.me/rostov_glavniy/55710
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On BGP I found this resource. Nothing relevant it seems (last event was an 1h outage 14h ago, search account for RU for events)
https://twitter.com/bgpstream
New Prigozhin audio just dropped
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video from apartment building is 50.4552590743, 40.1329192037 looking south-east
Helicopters active over Pavlovsk, looks like https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672453930591084545
Pavlovsk Voronezh region. Russian army are trying to strike at Wagner 👀
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ah nice was looking around there
there’s a rather large nuclear power plant near there - any news on its operations?
or honestly probably more directly south
Someone post audio directly please
I will summarize
Prigozhin message #11: Fighting is taking place only where military command is giving false information to the troops, resulting in conflicts. Rosgvardia and MVD people are not fighting us. 60-70 people have joined us so far
lol is he in an office?
Dmitri is quick these days
this corroborates the hypothesis that these are not wagner. He's being asked about Rostov and he dodges the question and talks about people joining them
The governor of Lipetsk region says the M4 highway linking Rostov to Moscow has been closed at the province's border with Voronezh region.
Furthermore he says that Rosgvardia and MVD are applauding them, and half the army is ready to join them. Even though they have not gone very far yet.
it sure has
local tg channels talk about red tape being for LNR/DNR, red lines - military police, white tape - mod military
Why such short messages? Are they worried about being triangulated and Dudaev'd?
can you link to those posts?
What about duct tape?
I wonder what ol' kadyrov is up to tonight...
Wagner from what I've seen
He does dodge the question but it doesn’t prove anything
Funny how we all thought it would be Kadyrov doing shit like this. I think he is too fat and stoned to care much these days.
it's in a chat, e.g. https://t.me/etorostov_chat/230548
Fancy seeing you here tonight. 🙂
He's rehearsing several speeches depending on how the coin lands don?
A real-time crisis—like this possible coup in Russia—is exactly the moment when one needs verified accounts to filter out news from bullshit rumors.
This is also exactly the moment to remember that @elonmusk has burned this once-useful information ecosystem to the ground.
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link works just fine, thanks!
Oh wow! Small world
This claim needs a real datapoint
Sort of, I think I was the one who invited you here. 😛
Silver
the TASS photos linked earlier
It’s just a photo description from TASS photo
Yes, I posted that. But that's stuff entered by a clerk, and that's not reliable data
https://t.me/russianpatriot233/7072 Equipment in St. Petersburg
A good datapoint would be identifying a vehicle or tags
Well the people seen surrounding the SMD in Rostov were wearing duct tape
that one says translation: "You fuckers Prigozhin himself said they are going to Rostov" https://t.me/etorostov_chat/230548 why does quote matter? just wondering edit to add: Oh Sarah is asking for datapoints inside? I can't even get past quote page
I think we agree with you that it could very well be Wagner, but we need more datapoints
Eg for soldiers that were just fighting in a ditch they don't wear much insignia.
And securing objects do involve surrounding it and even pointing guns at it. I find it astonishing if Wagner surrounds buildings before any local military manages to do any securing.
rob has summarized this well https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1672452941574451201?s=20
we cannot conclusively say who these guys are yet
white armband/duct tape guys are all together but who are they?
https://twitter.com/warmonitors/status/1672435707137196033?s=46&t=A_2DFohzDfmmaPQ6NwGfsQ Not exactly definitive but certainly reaffirms suspicions
⚡️Journalist Alina Lipp claims that the convoys in central Rostov belong to Wagner
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Does Wagner have any sort of regulation?
When Russia invades Russia its so confusing..
not anymore
we have some tg posts saying what armbands mean but it's just chatter
https://t.me/news161ru/33676 In front of Ayutinskoye (a farmstead before Shakhty), there are kilometer-long jams in both directions and the military are arriving, eyewitnesses report.
There’s another video of a driver asking if they were Wagner and the solider said (although, it may have sounded sarcastic) “ehh no”
they're definitely moving north towards Moscow
It sounds like she meant he nodded
Dude: “You’re Wagner?”
Soldier: “No”
-> Still No clue what’s going on.
Looks like I might have been wrong, but let’s see.
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The entrances and exits to Rostov are blocked and there are huge traffic jams on the highways. People have been standing for seven hours.
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При этом много автобусов и машин с детьми. Никто помощь не оказывает. Люди не понимают, насколько это все и как им быть.
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it’s going to be really hard to authenticate this as wagner since a lot of their equipment is russian army supplied
https://t.me/supernova_plus/21434 This video is so low quality it almost looks AI generated
supposedly a Russian air strike on a Wagner convoy headed to Voronezh
wait so are these guys by the MoD building even fucking wagner
there is some video going around of wagner soldiers with MANPADS in rostok
almost definitely
they might say no even if they are
That's what I am talking about. So far zero good datapoints.
And it's astonishing if Wagner secures objects before local militia
he answers "ehhmm, no" which can be interpreted both ways
it's so weird because they were pointing their guns and tank turrets at the building
like why do you do that if you're rosgvardia
like they were not pointing, then specifically made a point to do it
which Wagner would do, because it's probably Wagner
Because they read on Twitter that Wagner was there lol
All mass events that were supposed to take place in Rostov this weekend have been canceled - Vasily Golubev
Golubev is the governor of Rostov Oblast
https://t.me/etorostov/26908
that "aaaaaah nyet" was less than convincing but who knows
wagner adjacent forces? xD
i think it’s most likely they are but it’s wildly difficult to prove when everything wagner own is supplied by russia - the best we have atm is duct tape
Have they figured out what gang symbols to wear to differentiate between themselves yet, because a Z isnt going to cut it anymore
The fog of war is especially thick tonight Bellingcat is doing all it can to see through it.
They should wear chef's hats
It looks to me they are pointing in all directions, which you would if you're securing objects.
Better quality https://t.me/c/1732054517/20173
And musical instruments
private channel
I see lol one sec
https://t.me/supernova_plus/21435 Wagner channels claiming that Gerasimov is holed up in a civilian apartment in Rostov, which I doubt
https://t.me/+k_Z9AGYLs7g5ZGUy invite link
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https://t.me/doktorvlad - по вопросам рекламы. А также по предложке и сливам. Написал по какому-то другому вопросу - получил бан на канале. https://t.me/+k_Z9AGYLs7g5ZGUy – ссылка приглашение.
fucking hate juggling the pozdnyakov groups
Moin, who can keep me updated in one sentence pls
If this is geolocated to be in direction of Ukraine then it's likely correct
it's been 3.0 for a while now I think?
I've seen white armbands on the Wagner soldiers outside MoD building in Rostov.
Russian Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo
i was in 2.0 before i think
duct tape symbol was just one group so far
Just a thought but this video showing a convoy of tanks and armored vehicles was taken on the eastern side of Rostov - AKA the opposite direction from which the Wagner "convoy" was coming from. I'm trying to match vehicles to the ones outside the MoD building now. #1121882157414100993 message
Alina Lipp is a AFD Russian Reporter, not trustworthy
Total information storm, and everything changes every 30 minutes, but supposedly standoff in or near Rostov and supposedly fighting in Voronezh.
Wagner mutiny/coup, police mobilized in Moscow, Wagner forces seem to have entered Rostov, possibly have spread throughout the city with no resistance. But no one can tell them apart.
JFcupofcoffee. Thank you
look for the white armbands in the videos....not all of them have them but more are trickling out.
I can only imagine that trying to track the movement of known wagner group sections is the only way we can definitively know that this is wagner - anyone can wear duct tape
Unless they drove around that way. There was a steady stream of geolocations in chronological order from east to west.
I'm very wary of making assumptions about white armbands when that's like the tenth time in this war. And it's also duct-tape so any claims of white tape doesn't make sense.
Good point, thanks!
just saw
Too big, someone please post
HOLY SHIT WAGNER IS IN ROSTOV???
yh it’s not exactly convincing when i can pop down to my local supermarket and obtain the same differentiator
link
Duct tape could easily be one local commander trying to keep track of his own guys
Prigozhin's actually right there, wild
FFS Prigozhin, I was finally falling asleep and you had to show up
For all the sledgehammer killings, he does lead from the front sometimes
Duct-tape and prigoshin in same image is gooood datapoint
yh - which building is this?
I don’t recognise (maybe i’m blind) from previous data points
just heard Wagner also reached Voronetsk, will translate and see if it's same group
going back to the roadblocks being placed on the roads south of rostov, did we see any reports of wagner entering from the south or did they all come from the north on the M4?
So in this video Prigozhin seems to be 'negotiating' with MoD officers
He scolds them for shooting at a civilian bus
Nervous smirking from navy shirt guy
I don't doubt it, there's been helicopters active for at least 2 hours by now
It’s times like this when i wish i spoke russian
He says he will shoot down all helicopters, not just the three so far
He will fortify Rostov and move to Moscow
Moustache guy mumbles too much for me
Did they storm the MoD building in Rostov or not?
Navy shirt guy is worried that this will cause a holiday in Kyiv
Prigozhin says that it was abandoning Lyman that caused a holiday
50.415216, 40.149773
don't worry, both did and will
are you a real bot?
Filming negotiations with fence sitters. Wild.
All while Putin “sleeps”
he drives a hard bargain, surrounding the person you're negotiating with with 30 armed men
source unreliable any. Thanks
I'm happy to be wrong about being skeptical about duct tape. I guess it's close to warmappers adding a yellow area around Rostov.
Go to bed
oh wait I may have messed up that geolocation
I am
is there a new prig sound bite from inside some hq?
Wagner PMC tank marked "Siberia" celebrates the taking of the Southern Military District headquarters in Rostov.
Do we need a translation bot? I have an openAI driven one semi working
I had a look through Igor’s tweets and couldn’t see any sources listed, what’s his connection?
huh
he's a rando, doesn't cite
There's a whole video
None, he actually has a history of making shit up. Although in this case that footage is real and in context, it's linked above
??
This is what I thought
can you post it?
why is there such a massive relevence placed on the op? whether its him or british intelligence posting, the video material is the same. a tank crew ripping up the streets
Whoa! Corleone sit down video!
Prigozhin meets with Deputy Defense Minister Evkurov and GRU Deputy Alekseev at the Southern Military District HQ. Says he wants to meet with Shoigu and Gerasimov
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Prigozhin is putting on a show with his hostages
Ah here.. this one
trans: PMC Wagner at the headquarters of the Southern Military District in Rostov (Ru source and I can see Media Too Big)
igor's been accused of klout chasing and reposting without credit....and probably worst of all raising money for "donations" but not actually turning over money....i have him blocked but he keeps popping up.
Because it's very important to know your sources too. It's not good to give legitimacy to people and groups that make stuff up, lie or even have an agenda, especially when there's plenty of people doing honest work out therea
in which case i wouldve just posted the material without the source
i think we’re going to have to essentially ignore what he says and look for corroborating evidence in pics and videos
Is the Prigoshin video geolocated to Rostov yet?
you get all the info without giving credit to disreputable people
Just a disclaimer to be careful with that account pls
He's literally there with the commander of the Southern Military District
As they walk up to the sitdown, there are three placards/logos over the building doors that match the ones over the front doors of the southern military district HQ in rostov
I'm not sure this needs to be geolocated
No, because in that case we don't know where it comes from and that's fundamental to understand that information, it's context and verifying it
He’s posting stuff like this.. who could it be from? Anyone https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1672439008629231617?s=46&t=MDxryAqm1PZ6AocrV64Cbg
🚨 Russia: "Multiple Defense Ministry units involved in the war are moving under Prigozhin's command. Entire corps. Shoigu and Gerasimov's commanders are being removed."
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It’s like fanfiction
so if you just saw that video, you would be unable to link it to rostov with all the uniforms, markings on the tank, time of day and location????
If only the data is important, just say it's a rando source.
this is silly and nerfing yourselves
Source on this is The Lord Almighty
So duct tape is 100% Wagner
different angle, same tank: https://t.me/news161ru/33680
95% Wagner
ive been advised multiple times to not do this
yeah that is def the cmdr
They are escorting Prigozhin personally, shoulder to shoulder
so 99.99%
Yes but not all of them are wearing duct tape
It's a RU source the patriot, do you see him Prig in video? I s that what Erredace is referring to? https://t.me/russianpatriot233/7076
so there are other signs than that
We have a few accounts we don't quote here of exactly that case, this is one of them.
I took it upon myself to be skeptical about that. And unless Wagner are masters of disinfo that's conformed;)
yeah, skip a minute in
yh it’s deffo wagner rn - would not keep the duct tape definition for long - an easily abandoned practice or one the russian loyalist could pick up
another prigozhin video just dropped
he's quickly becoming my favorite antihero
That courtyard?
Do we see any rooftops anywhere in there...
cant help but be impressed by their op tonight
what’s he saying?
cool, i cant/won't download telegram for desktop so I can't see large media, etc, but use T for available stuff
Prigozhin himself is wearing duct tape
standby for translation
Yeah, but where did he buy it? Kidding, mood lightener
say again?
Nice of him to suggest that the air force bomb Ukraine instead of him
Yes, it's missing context and it stops other people from coming to refer at if. It's not the same if random person posts it than if it comes from a trustworthy source.
Think of it as having a huge bold claim. Would it be believable to link to a highly reputed source or to not link it to anyone and just ask people to trust you.
And besides, it's a rule of the server and it's there for a reason and you have been warned multiple times. Don't push it further please
that's the curve here... does it fit?
I forget, what's the significance of "Load 200" from his shoulder patch ("Load 200, we're together")
(alt. cargo 200?)
KIA
I'm not so sure about lionizing prigozhin as he belongs in jail, and I'm sure he doesn't agree
He is still flogging the main talking points of incompetent military leadership leading to unacceptable losses.
oh no, he's an awful pos, but very charismatic in a goblin sort of way
Worth noting that TASS is still littered with Prigozhin being charged for mutiny and inciting armed rebellion, hard to see Kremlin (or MoD leadership) sitting down with him for a chat?
any higher quality res of the video? reflections in 2nd floor windows might be useful
i cant help but be confused as to why you would want a plain video taken by some random russian in rostov to be tarnished and made subjective by seeing who on twitter out of hundreds/thousands to first see the video happened to repost it. I understand sources are necessary when information in the video is not sufficient for one to identify context but with videos like this, you are asking for source for the sake of asking for a source, and then complaining when said source is disreputable even if the video has bugger all to do with source.
Their editorial can turn on a dime.
He clearly demanded Shoigu and Gerasimov to show up, we’ll see what these guys will do
Them's the rules. You can do like me and just apologize for the source when linking.
not show up, I would guess
You've been asked to play by the same rules than the rest of us, I'm not going to discuss this further
its like being told off for doing what you asked me to. shit, complain to yourself about a problem not me. all i want to do is pass on material and let you figure it out, but im not being stupid with my information. I can decipher what is and isnt fodder.
It was not a video. It was a quote.
If nothing else, having a timestamp is nice
Aric pointed out they have duct tape on, I thought it was white armbands 🤷♂️ . Looks like more internet services are going down in Russia too.
it was a video of a tank
ive said so but every time i share something i have @honest hemlock up my ass playing moderator
imma be honest, you can probably compare igor's content with any other posted content and find the same content posted slightly earlier, might be better to cite that at least when posting igor's
will do
Cause we try to work in academic levels. We're oft enough source for journalists and I stitutions and experts with our findings or ideas. You can have a that and work that way with our rules or get lectured from two very tired seniors here
If you’re posting a video on discord, swap www.Twitter.Com at the beginning for vxtwitter.com- and then it’ll show the video. If not then we just see the text and no video.
but what use will igor being the poster serve?
I have only heard 'fanfic' of wagner taking air control or planning on it
should journalism pick it up, itll be described as footage taken from rostov, not posted by igor from nowhere
wagner has used planes in libya haha
we discussed wagner armor and aircraft earlier
He says war objects of Rostov including aerodrom are under wagner’s control
it is clear they have some armor
Didn't Wagner have aviation in Ukraine too?
if they actually scramble some jets that would be insane
The problem is the editorial given. Eg "celebration" there easily transfers to the video being shown with that quote. (And sorry, didn't notice it was video - thought it was the other Igor tweet)
They seem to be across the river already, so why not?
We didn’t see the video, we just saw text - and if you go to his Twitter before posting the link, it’s quite clear he’s posting sus stuff.
"We are in HQ, 7 30 in the morning. We have under control military objects of Rostov, including the airport. Everything is under contol. All we have done is ensure that aviation did not strike us, but struck Ukrainians"
The rest is about the conditions and casualties on the front
https://t.me/u_now/102226
https://t.me/russianpatriot233/7082 More reports of a raid on Wagner HQ
Exactly
all the previous raids were fake, finally a real one?
Imagine being the janitor there
AFAIK it was Wagner pilots flying air force jets, don't know if they actually own any aircraft
mate there is a video right there. all you have to do is click it. stop complaining about problems youre creating for yourself
pizdet......
that still counts tbh
third time's the charm
Hey folks,
Just a reminder to provide sources for whatever you are posting and to interact with each other in a respectful manner please.
I realise it is a fluid situation but head outside and take a breather or get a drink of water if you need to.
actual: 50.464584, 40.169791
Wish I could see tape, are they geolocating surroundings yet?
I will pass information here. If the source is biased or unreliable I will vx it and make any footage entirely objective and let you fine and intelligent people figure it out yourselves.
if wagner pilots scramble in russian airforce planes, just sayin' O_o
Alekseyev posted a video 7 hours ago asking Prigozhin to stop, I guess his calculus changed.
https://t.co/jVrWY3ORCP
Just for future reference, on mobiles it appears like this. Please use vxtwitter.com instead of Twitter.com so it embeds. ✌️
they're at the SMD HQ, it's pretty much confirmed
Sorry the source discourse. But the context given is his tweet, and it's SUS. And all we saw was his context.
ignore all Sushko lol
every time i vx stuff i get a lecture from @honest hemlock
Just move on, super. Nobody is mad.
cheers
Dude, just move on
It's all good man..... chill
Take it to DMs if you have to.
anyway I'm sleeping
Prigozhin is in Rostov with General Sergey Kuzovlev, commander of the Southern Military District.
oh I see it/the thing Man-0-man #1121882157414100993 message
did we ever get a translation on this?
Swan Lake is needed to fall asleep
just heard from a ground source in russia that they're terrified this could be a putin cover operation to flush out russian resistance
no facts or sources just fear
just words from his mouth in that video
not that they took the aerodrome
We have under control military objects of Rostov, including the airport.
not sure if under control means they 'took' anything
Russian oppositionists always have a pathological need to not believe if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck...
Yeah, repeat disinfo operations tend to do that
How many troops does the Southern District actually command?
So far we dont really know what it quacks like and walks like…..
most stuff with a Z on it (this is an educated guess, it is what the Z "stands for" as branding)
Technical destroyed at 50.580930, 40.156819
Wagner’s offices are in a wework?! https://vxtwitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672470459265298432?s=46&t=MDxryAqm1PZ6AocrV64Cbg
@AndrKolesnikov Russian security forces appear to be raiding the Wagner WeWork in St Petersburg, according to @FontankaNews. It's never been entirely clear whether Wagner actually uses that building as an HQ.
Is he sitting talking to the Deputy Defense Minister at some point in this video? I'm overhearing on a show abt this video, not sure if same one
In the hat
So wait
The intel guy just filmed a video condemning Wagner 7 hours ago
Did they capture Surovikhin too, since he was in the same room?
This guy
Seems so
uwu
I had read the Prighozhin was in St. Pete 2 days ago, an aviation source. Maybe took tracks from there?
there is a warrant for prig's arrest, how the heck is this going to escalate, where and when...
wtf is his next move? he has to draw fire, that is his only option O_o
At least he seems to either been playing around something or he went there to mediate
Its interesting, the RT coverage of the event feels rawley honest to the leaked images
Its like the narrative I'm seeing outsiders assemble of what they can gather actually feels like what RT is trying to say
Which makes me wonder if this is smoke and mirrors
I'm sure he didn't expect to survive this war
yeah it is all super sus but still amazing
correct me if i'm wrong i'm not allowed to link RT as its a proganda outlet, right?
(fine obeying this rule, just been awhile since ive been on the server and want to respect the rules)
maybe just screenshot without citing? and note it is RT propaganda? idk someone correct me
Especially because it's relevant to see exactly how they're putting out propaganda
You know what's interesting. I'm going to try to VPN to russia and forge my session and browser variables to look like I'm russian and load the russian edition
Got a link please? (:
for RT
i wonder if the english narrative is at odds with the russian narrative
as RT.com is for external english speakers and i know in the past they've diverged
I posted a screenshot earlier from radarbox;
#1121882157414100993 message
I think lukashenko bailed to turkey and I think he had some sort of heads up
RT usually tries to blend in far more into western narratives than actual russian news sources. It’s like they try to make their propaganda more plausible for western readers
the overall reaction to videos is wild. Prig is talking with the deputy minister of defense: "Who do you think you are that you can say ты (thou) to me?" and the commenters are rooting for Prig even though the official sources are all pushing against wagner. I am surprised that he actually has a chance. A slim chance, but a chance nevertheless
So the other curious thing is, theres lots of stuff in the RT comments making fun of whats going on in a way thats normally edited out very quickly
I missed this part. Got a timestamp?
Someone has told the RT moderator for their comments section to stand down on mocking comments about RT in general, reporitng, and putin
I know because I've tried to make VPN driven troll accounts before and quickly get censored for the sleightest dissention
any reason to think this is or isn't wagner? https://t.me/rosich_ru/44043
NOTE: this is propaganda/from a kremlin outlet. Interesting that im seeing some of the same images we are looking at when i scroll through it
they're careful to call the images 'unverified'
Has Putin weighed in on this whole situation yet or no?
So it might be RT is stoking everyone around but trying to preserve its credibility
That's probably the biggest indicator of what Wagner's chances are
comments section not being policed
Not yet
Seems to me like he'll let them duke it out then be the kingmaker whichever way the wind blows
OK, I got the video, it's a minute:23. A day late, a dollar short https://twitter.com/Jack_Mrgln/status/1672463032935497728 I see everything now, sorry about fuss.
NOTE: From kremlin propaganda source -
Normally these kindof comments are quickly removed by the RT censors
Chekan in convoy. Probably wagner
either RT is in on the smoke and mirrors, or its editorial team is moving into more netural territory
Notice also them calling it out as a propaganda operation, which is interesting. a little mind--- there
Neutrality via paralysis
They might also just be seeing which way the wind blows without Putin coming down one way or the other
The editorial team is probably spending most of their time in a mobile banking app, not doing their jobs
freeze reaction you mean (versus fight or flight?) this could be the case
If RT are being honest now, they will just line up to an official lie later
And they don't know what the official lie will be yet
lol yeah i dont think honest- thats why im wondering if this is an op
The reporting looks TOO honest
sorry, can't use my audio rn. it was around that time they sat down
Hasn't Russia been extremely sloppy with their false flag operations in the past?
You'd kinda expect that here if it was fake
That happened also around feb when they reported on Russia censoring media abroad. Only to land on the lie that western social media was censoring them later.
The initial rocket evidence video still looks fake as hell tho. (But I might be wrong)
Hm interesting
Prigozhin is going to find a whole cache of Sims 3 CDs in the SMD HQ
Wagner ran the RIA before, no? Russia has, just wondering what his capability is.
I mean there are cracks in some of the imagery and stuff, so maybe it is sloppy.
RT going suddenly honest is sloppy
The rocket footage could have been faked by Pregoshin to act as a casus belli for his coup attempt
yeah i'm pretty sure that's it
that july 1st deadline was approaching with integration with PMCs and MoD
he was getting squeezed out
so he acted
My theory for awhile has been Pregoshin is a western asset, but not operative
Haven't seen anything worrying.
but wild marijuana / cannabis smoking theory
https://t.me/huyovy_kharkiv/114155 truck allegedly hit by MoD heli trying to hit Wagner's pickup
How could Prigo have been in Lipetsk?
Were PMC's like Wagner essentially going to be integrated into the army on July 1st?
allegedly
woul dhave to sign a contract with MoD
i think july 1 was the date, may be off, my brain is fried
is a very appropriate emoji for this thread since he called this 6 monthsish ago
If that is the case that alone would make the rocket attack super suspect, why do a rocket attack when your rival is becoming your employee in a week
gonna be honest I don't know if allegedly alone is the right thing there, maybe "that was the public intent of the MoD"
Voronezh and Lipezk are on the way from Rostov to Moscow and there are reports that the wagner convoy is moving north
I read it as 'Prigozhin's pickup'
I should go to bed
Doesn't seem like fighting is about to break out anyway
you saw the videos of firefights earlier right?
going to bed is not enough. I am already in bed and just can't force myself to close my eyes
This is what I have trazadone for
Helicopter stuff, yes. Firefights were never really substantiated.
so the technical firing from the highway?
Probably shooting at said helo
I screenshot a muzzle flash of it, was aiming horizontal, forward
If there was sustained fighting we would know by now
as far as sustained goes, firefights are over in minutes
Every previous American would’ve dreamed of doing to Russia what Biden has done, at about 5% of our defense budget. This has to have been the most cost effective knee capping of a major geopolitical rival in history
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anywho get some sleep
it's a helicopter, the whole point is to fly low
there was no chopper sound in the vid w/ the technical firing forward
Turns out the submarine was only the second biggest implosion this week
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What's that UTC?
God dammit I was gonna go to sleep
Fixed!
If he's doing an announcement it'll likely make or break this coup
Do we have emergency alerts for today?
Putin to address RU at 9am RU time, in 20 minutes (?) looking for link
It’s in 21 minutes
Question is, is anyone online that can translate Russian
It's 8:39 AM now in Moscow
Yes, but my brain is fried
Im sure there will be rapid translations available
I am gonna dip after his announcement
No sleep till swan lake
Putin doesn't want you to
Do we know anything about the forces standing between Wagner and Moscow and how they compare to Wagner's convoy?
No sleep til Kremlin
Traffic from Voronezh towards Moscow is blocked.
https://t.me/typicalvoronezh/11635
50.465124, 40.201561 is the town at the end of the video. (265 miles away from Rostov)
oh wow ,nice one
The 20th Guards Army is based in Voronezh, no idea how many operational units are there vs. in Ukraine though; theoretical strength is a couple divisions there
Blurry road sign lol
So theoretically Wagner is outgunned and outmanned, but who knows what their actual strength is
why are there so many wagnerovtsy here
Wuzzat mean?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-85426/#30d96422 got this from jacks flight tracker discord. Plane geeks sourced the number or were watching it. I think they said it took off going from Rostov to moscow and then turned around back to rostov. Burning candle at both ends rn. I can dig further into the planetracker discord for more details.
Well, the question is, even if in peacetime there's multiple divisions there, how many units are actually not in the field in Ukraine at the moment. With Russia being heavily deployed, and the 20th being one of those units, it's an open question how much is actually in Voronezh
Is that this?
I pointed it out earlier
That was my gut feeling as well.
idk if that is what he is talking about?
https://gfsis.org.ge/maps/russian-military-forces < No idea on source reliability here
GFSIS
The interactive map shows the following Russian military forces:
Land maneuver and artillery units;
Air bases;
Naval bases;
S-300 and S-400 surface-to-air missile systems, as well as other air defence forces that are not part of the land maneuver units;
Russian military bases and installations beyond Russia's borders, including those that...
but ye lukashenk is bailing to turkey imo
Lukashenko bailing to Turkey is hilarious as hell
That's base locations though, not necessarily where the units actually are.
All events are cancelled in Lipetsk, this is to the north of Voronezh, on the way to Moscow
Sorry I was asking about what Aric said
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672481640566726656?s=46&t=rc9q_G2-ZNmdwqx6xlregw
Should be…interesting
Let's see if Putin wants the MOD as a scapegoat for the war or whether he feels territorial enough to blast Pregoshin
Different flight. This one took off from Moscow/Rostov. You can see the flight history.
does anyone know where they're going to broadcast it?
channel 1
thanks!
Is it Marshall Law Time yet?
Anywhere we can read a translation?
Any idea on the threat of nukes coming into the equation even by accident?
RTLive/English RT
I don't know if RT is gonna show it live
It really really is. By far the best part of it all.
may want to switch to russia24
Aric, any translated version of that?
You don't get to be a dictator without being paranoid as hell
is this confirmed?
Just looking for something captioned
no translated
https://t.me/fighter_bomber/12879 fighterbomber talks about helis shot. He claims that mi-8 was shot on the way from one airport to another, they didn't attack anyone as they are not an attack heli but a REB (radio) heli. He's checking his sources in mi-35
if you find a youtube live feed, it can do decent live russian subtitles
Just relax, let the old men do their show fight before worrying
no, just a flight that he has used before went from belarus to turkey with the transponder off for most of the flight over russia
I imagine the Russian nukes work like American nukes, where you need the codes from the commander in chief before you can launch, so even if Wagner did get a nuke they couldn't fire it. I think.
american nukes don't need codes xD
https://vxtwitter.com/iaponomarenko/status/1672483949673627649
I wouldn’t put it past him..
I may be misremembering how the American nuclear chain works in that case
Yes they do. They need people to decrypt them, then access the lauch keys.
It's absurd to think of nukes
I wonder if this is an elaborate ruse to get us all to pay attention to russian news
so they can announce time to nuke the west
Basically psyop to terrorize us
That'd be a pretty good meme tbh
Russian and US doctrine is completely different, Russian even has more safeguards arguably
The Gold Codes are the launch codes for nuclear weapons provided to the President of the United States in their role as commander-in-chief of the armed forces.
it's just a chain of command thing afaik
which is probably why the western media isnt covering it too much
esp the stuff that mil-industrial-complex-dnc-revolving-door-arms-industry friendly like CNN
I feel like you guys thinking this is all a psyop are giving way too much credit to Russia, tbh
https://www.rt.com/on-air/ IS HANGING
The concept behind the [Gold] codes is that they permit the president to present positive identification of being the commander-in-chief and thereby authenticate a launch order to the National Military Command Center (NMCC).
⚡️ В целях пресечения возможных терактов на территории Москвы и Московской области введён режим контртеррористической операции, сообщает НАК.
I think you are not giving them enough credit. Sometimes they are lazy, yes, but the domestic propaganda machine is sophisticated
In order to prevent possible terrorist attacks on the territory of Moscow and the Moscow region, a counter-terrorist operation regime has been introduced, the NAC reports.
no speech yet
Account blocked in Europe
For a little bit of comic relief from Rostov: https://t.me/RostovInside/11575
But the launch authentication needs to be verified from on high, down to the LCC.
I was stationed at an ICBM base for six years in the air force.
It's mostly irrelevant, since russian nukes operate differently than American does, and they don't use the two person concept the way we do...
CNN might be covering Putin's speech?
⚡️ In order to prevent possible terrorist attacks on the territory of Moscow and the Moscow region, a counter-terrorist operation regime has been introduced, the NAC reports.
What is their concept?
Cause i know their (old) subs had 3 men who needed to launch
It was two plus the political officer.
announcing the extended showings of swan lake?
On the subs it was the captain and first officer
kind of a bad look for someone whose whole brand is "saving" Russia from the "chaos of the 90s"
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Минобороны обратилось к бойцам ЧВК «Вагнера»:
«Вас обманом втянули в преступную авантюру Пригожина и участию в вооруженном мятеже.
Многие ваши товарищи из нескольких отрядов уже осознали свою ошибку, обратившись за помощью в обеспечении возможности безопасно вернуться в пункты постоянной дислокации. Такая помощь с нашей стороны всем обратившимс...
MoD addresses Wagner fighters
^ google translate
The places people have linked don't seem to have Putin's speech, any word on whether he started it?
not started
still waiting
they're talking about the MO address to wagnerovtsy now
The odds of him being on time were always bad
god shut up lady, no one cares about Tula, put on Putin
That was Putin's plan all along, he's going to delay for hours so we can't go to sleep!
So any word when putin will come on?
might dial it in for the night
BTW thanks everyone for being so civil and chill its been cool following with ya
ticker on the channel I'm watching just says "soon"
https://tass.ru/politika/18104083 < TASS says "in the near future"
https://smotrim.ru/live/21, not English, but I do have RT going now too
Wagner claiming they control RU facilities in Doronetsk, 50 mi n of Rostov, lnk (without resistance, via Mry Rep)
are they just starting over again until Putin goes on?
TASS was doing an interesting piece on frog tadpoles in english with russian subtitles
The guy left looks unhealthy
that might be more fun
a few reports that Voronezh is also controlled by Wagner now. Has anyone seen pics/videos?
e.g., here's a report from Strelkov: https://t.me/strelkovii/5648
CNN is on standby here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZB3FOqBUxA
Russian President Vladimir Putin Addresses Nation On The Mutiny Attempt | Putin LIVE | Russia News
scott ritter kind of looks like mike caracciolo in this
Either they came from somewhere else or they were tearing it, that's almost 500 km up the M4 north of the highway the convoy crossed into Russia on.
it is not india
Thank you, I can turn off RT now
CNN coming in clutch, finally a link I can go to without being put on a watch list /j
Oh god I made the mistake of glancing at the youtube comments
I am thankful there are no comments that I see yet
Sorry, not the comments, the live chat
it's been at least 12 hours since everything started though, can be enough to get through 500km on the highway
Yeah, it's definitely not impossible; but deeply alarming for Russia's defense if they can move that fast towards moscow unimpeded, particularly while also moving south towards Rostov-on-don
according to the metadata on prigo's annoucements on telegram, they were scheduled in advance
so maybe it started even >12hrs ago
Anchor lady on Russian TV: "Next comes an advertisement and then....... an advertisement"
Bedtime for me
gn @finite elm
Goodnight mate
They can't find the right Doppelgaenger
Probably a wise choice.
They're clearly having trouble getting Putin out of his clone sleeve
MoD: cyka blyat, we only have the tiny chin putin doppelganger, no one will believe him... blyat
I mean, in all fairness, this might be one of the highest risk speeches of Putin's career
There's probably plenty of last minute rewriting and strategy going on there
speech is officially delayed
Did they say to when or nah
trying to find a citation
Youtube LIVE channel SKYNEWS LIVE JUST HEARD CNN NEWS18 & RT PUTIN LATE. Maybe 9:30
ah, it's a sign. wake me up when november ends. gn everyone
gn!
yeah cnn and sky news are not live and speculation, pure rumor, is that it is delayed indefinitely
from random chat messages
Good to know.
Bedtime, you mean
Someone have the link?
There's a blocked plane over Russia going from Leningrad Orblast to central Russia on Radarbox.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZB3FOqBUxA
CNN-News18, Russian President Vladimir Putin Addresses Nation On The Mutiny Attempt | Putin LIVE | Russia News
What did I miss in last 6 hours when I was sleeping?
Russian President Vladimir Putin Addresses Nation On The Mutiny Attempt | Putin LIVE | Russia News
CNN-News18 GOT IT ---- streaming for 36 minutes, since 9:06
Sky News UK have dropped the geoblock and are another source
https://www.youtube.com/live/f_lovLXj6KA?feature=share
Watch Sky News live as Russian President Vladimir Putin makes a televised address.#SkyNews #Russia #Wagner SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel for more videos:...
God the wind in only one ear on the CNN stream is getting to me
I feel like the most interesting outcome is probably that Pooty delays it indefinitely, as that would indicate that he thinks the coup has a decent chance of succeeding and thus isn't taking sides yet
if it is delayed indef for real, he is going bunker spelunking
Aaaaaaaaabsolutely
Wish he’d hurry up, it’s late and I’m tired lol
cnn adjusting camera, freaking me out
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1672488557162659843 maybe they can borrow a tractor to tow it out
Looks like a (presumably) Wagner T-90S tank was damaged trying to pass through an alleyway in Rostov.
https://t.co/5RT7dA8M3H
https://t.co/FwErBAodBs
I'm sure the Ukrainians would be happy to help
You can geolocate this while waiting 🏆
Don't you hate it when the alley is just slightly too narrow for your tank to fit through and you lose a mirror?
Baza reports that the tank wasn’t “stuck,” but was deliberately “blocking one of the facades of the Southern Military District headquarters,” where Prigozhin met with Deputy Defense Minister Yunus-Bek Yevkurov.
question, how is cnn not arrested for being in russia?
are they all just courageous as hell?
I assume it's a traffic livestream from someone else in Russia
they rebranded to not-cnn
oh interesting
"Special Rossiya air squadron flew over Moscow last night: Two presidential helicopters were spotted over the Simferopol highway, the Moscow Ring, and flying toward Putin's residence in Novo-Ogarevo. (outside Moscow near Rublevka)"
This might mean Putin has fled Moscow.
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Plenty of news still in Russia
I was in Moscow two months ago and saw the sky news team
They’re risking for sure
Is that good or bad? Can we still see it b/c tons are on their chat Looks OK
They all had to register as foreign agents, I believe, which puts them in danger of prosecution but they probably have emergency escape plans set up
Edgar guessed it right
https://twitter.com/Nictalle/status/1672489851629838336?s=20
@RALee85 Dudes, this is an advantageous defensive position, all is fine …
afaik they record but not broadcast inside russia
Yeah, that's my impression as well
Too bad there was no plan for evan gershkovich
damn
I am not gonna make it
the non-russian Zs are coming for my eyelids
I am jittery with caffine
but still tired af
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1672484533005094912
Igor's been saying a lot of things; i'm pretty skeptical
ignore literally everything that sushko guy says lol
don't cite igor alone, find a corroberating source, he is sus
noooooo, not Igor.
The real reason is that their supercomputer hasn’t yet been able to generate a speech in which this all doesn’t make him look very stupid
he exact quotes other tweets w/o retweet, but you can search and find them easy
wagner taking positions in Voronezh oblast, unconfirmed
imma go to bed gn
Always ignore sushko
The fun's only going to start once the Czar has declared who he's siding with.
And people seem to be overly dismissive of Wagner's and Prigozhin's actual influence. My money is on them.
for once I'm enjoying my GMT+10 timezone. it's not even dinnertime yet
Igor Sushko: Putin is in the Novo-Ogaryovo bunker listening to 50 Cent's "Many Men."
TASS reporting that Wagner HQ has been "cordoned off". There were also reports last night that it had been raided, but those turned out to be false I think? This is the first time that TASS is reporting this, I think.
Telegram
Здание "ЧВК Вагнер центра" на Золотой улице в Санкт-Петербурге находится в оцеплении из сотрудников силовых структур, передает наш корреспондент.
У входа на территорию центра дежурят сотрудники полиции, а также Росгвардии, обстановка вокруг на данный момент спокойная. Около центра и на его территории припарковано несколько автомобилей силовиков...
so what i missed this morning. who gives a quick summar since 4am kyiv time
Warner claim to take over military facilities of Rostov and allegedly moved towards voronezh
Telegram
❗️🇷🇺💀 Марш справедливости Пригожина: что известно к 09.30
Отряды ЧВК «Вагнер» в течение ночи вошли в Ростовскую область, блокировали Ростов-на-Дону, оцепили здание штаба Южного Военного Округа, где находится ставка Объединенной группировки войск.
Шойгу и Герасимова, за которыми, как утверждает Пригожин, идёт ЧВК «Вагнер» в Ростове нет. Колонн...
Wagner getting espresso
I am getting sleepy
I am going to bed
Footage of police activity at Wagner HQ:
https://t.me/vorposte/42396
I’ve just woken up after 8 hours sleep
Still waiting on PootPoot's announcement after 49 minutes
Not much. Wagner waltzed into Rostov and now we're waiting on negotiations to be completed and once that's done it's time for the Czar to give a speech.
Igor is a idiot
Don’t post him
I'mma go to bed, PootPoot has kept me up long enough
Why do I feel like this speech won’t denounce Prigozhin at all
Hopefully Putin will take a page out of Shoigu's playbook and wear a giant watch with the actual time of the recording
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672499594708635649 referring to link from @drifting crown , here translated"(@ian_matveev) Bugaevka border crossing, Voronezh region. PMC Wagner disarmed a Russian military company without resistance
Soldiers laying down weapons. Either the Russian army is completely paralysed or it’s a huge staged concert.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_lovLXj6KA Putin address
Watch Sky News live as Russian President Vladimir Putin makes a televised address as Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin claims to have taken control of Russia's military HQ in Rostov-on-Don that oversees the fighting in Ukraine.
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This is bizarre.
Ooooh. That's not what I expected, but I'll take it.
Putin looks like he's using that nvidia thing that makes your eyes always look into the center of the camer
*camera
So what’s happening? Russian troops are laying down weapons?
Dammit I can't rewind on the sky news stream and the CNN stream doesn't have english dub or sub
This looks like one group so far. Take that all with a grant of salt.
(@ian_matveev) Bugaevka border crossing, Voronezh region. PMC Wagner disarmed a Russian military company without resistance . ..... is this what Dmitri was referring to 1 min. ago?
Yes
Keep in mind Prigozhin himself said “half of army” is ready to join us- implicitly admitting that he doesn’t have fully support
Putin called it treason, 'situation around Rostov remains complicated'
This is a lot more aggressive a speech than I expected
Seems like Putin has picked a side
for sure for sure
He seems to be coming out clearly against Wagner
How could he not say this is a coup?
Pregoshin underestimated Putin's fear of coups
I was expecting him to equivocate more
Of course he's coming out against Wagner.
I don't think he wants to say 'coup' vs. 'mutiny'
Coup implies some elements in the military are behind it.
Not like he was going "Oh, okay, I'll replace Shoigu and Gerasimov if you feel that strongly about it"
Mutiny evokes the Potemkin in 1905 in Russian history; coup the fall of the soviet union and a dark time in living russians' memory
Potemkin both failed and is very historical/not in people's memories
Wagner in Africa and Middle East trapped??
He's ON
His speech already finished afaik
Putin?
Russian President Vladimir Putin Addresses Nation On The Mutiny Attempt | Putin LIVE | Russia News
Russian President Vladimir Putin addresses the nation after the owner of the Wagner private military contractor Yevgeny Prigozhin escalated his direct challenge to the Kremlin on Friday, calling for an armed rebellion aimed at ousting Russia’s def...
Putin done gone spoke
It is a stupid take
I think things are pretty straightforwards tbh
if anyone wants to share transcript etc of what Putin said, pls do so
Yeah it just seems like a straight forward coup this
So Putin is pissed and serious. At the same time trying to address to “rebels” to take the right side. And technically admitted that he doesn’t have control over Rostov
Sky News's broadcast had a live dub but it won't let me rewind the stream
With every Russian setback, there's always someone going: "Hmm, what is this in fact a false flag and 5-dimensional chess?" It never is.
Quick summery
try this Sky News stream on youtube:
Watch Sky News live: The Transportation Safety Board of Canada is launching an investigation into the fatal sub tragedy; The head of the Wagner mercenary group has accused Russian military leaders of targeting his troops; A man who shot dead a Metropolitan Police custody sergeant after smuggling a gun into a holding cell has been found guilty of...
help some of you folks didn't sleep yet
Any word on what’s happening in bakhmut?
Big question is now, how much of a fight is Wagner going to put up
I’ve just woken up 😃
#russia-ukraine-eastern-europe
They se
They seem to have activated Putin's "dictator fight or flight" response, so I don't think they'll get much mercy
Bigger question is whether any (and if so, which) of the Russian MOD units will side with Wagner in an actual fight.
I doubt many will with Putin coming down on the MOD's side
#russia-ukraine-eastern-europe a few hours ago
?
Not since 23June, not; I've always worked in news but on IT side, We were always on call, sigh
Considering that the speech was given in front of a pixelated green screen rather than the Kremlin makes the "flight" response more likely
It's so, so hard to make a call on that. Public opinion among the elites isn't exactly pro war but crossing Putin is a huge step.
seeing some European names still online here which where here at 12, 3am
Yeah, it's a bee house
And it's not like there's reliable opinion poll data among MOD officers
Fair
Putin kept his mark and went off on a historical rant, something about the victory stolen from Russia in wwi because of inner intrigues
I'm very much of the opinion that Putin kinda lost it in isolation during Covid, and got very focused on reclaiming Russia's "glorious past", and that's influenced his very, very stupid decision to invade Ukraine