WIP mod for free-angle track block

[cedar nymph]

Can I see F3 graph?

*if enabled F3 debug graph option, can be seen while F3 mode
*if else, just hold signal

[wet iron]

just a sec

[cedar nymph]

oh so it's graphical issue

..or srill might be issue of assymetric bezier curve behavior of Create,

try moving around curves (between near start of curve and end of curve) and see if this line changes

F3 debug graph view + holding Ctrl (so double line shows up) is better to figure out

[wet iron]

F3 + Ctrl does nothing, unless I'm missing something.

You mean this?

[cedar nymph]

so F3 + Ctrl shows both edge (from -> to, to -> from) which is vertically stacked top-down

on one end, if curve is sufficiently large then one of two might not show up

whatever, can I see how curve is like

by capturing overlay: sth like 'F10 -> F12, Delta = [1,2,4]'
(hovering curve while holding track block)

[wet iron]

(Video: Couldn't make both lines to appear)

[cedar nymph]

aah

so the line jumps

I think fix assymetric ... option must fix this?

as it is clearly issue of create afaik

the 'right curve' is curve 'from A to B'
and the 'wrong curve' is curve 'from B to A'
*A is where you started the curve; B is where you ended

As BezierConnection implementation inside Create is assymetric, A->B and B->A yields different curve

curve rendering only uses A->B curve, while this overlay and train movement utilizes both

....so can I see whole game log and mod list? seems like my fix is overriden

[wet iron]

Just to avoid confusion, talking about the video, both lines are at the same height (I mean, the one isn't above the other.)

[cedar nymph]

aha

[chrome furnace]

Log File

Environment info

Minecraft Version

1.20.1

Mod Loader

Forge (47.4.18)

Errors

2111

​

​

Warnings

1400

Create version

6.0.8

​

​

[cedar nymph]

wow it's very huge

[wet iron]

The log or the modpack?

[cedar nymph]

of course log file

[wet iron]

hmm

What would be helpful by it being done by me? (how could I help in this case?)

[cedar nymph]

so for clarification, you already enabled railx settings > server > common > fixTrackBezierAsymmetry and rejoin/restart the game?

[wet iron]

I'll be back soon to tell you.

[wet iron]

I'm afraid that time has been wasted (fixTrackBezierAssymmetry fixed it (for now) ).

[cedar nymph]

oh

so I should've make sure you should restart the game (as it does not magically fix already created beizers)

but yeah

what a relief

btw this cannot be default option, as it 'breaks' previous world (things like train position, signal position ... changes a bit)

[wet iron]

I've done both executions (rejoin and restart game) and I can assure you, things are going like clockwork.

-# I would love if this mod had a create 5.1j version, but the only thing I can do is deal with it or/and cry about it.

[cedar nymph]

oh 5.1j

btw im preparing for exam

[wet iron]

Good luck with the exam.

[cedar nymph]

thanks....

[wet iron]

It's just that I'm slowly trying to move from 5.1j to 6.0 by compromising a bunch of mods (mods that don't have C6 versions (hopefully "yet" applies) while slowly realising that C6 is far from decent (yet | for my modpack).

[manic linden]

Axiom.

It runs through connector but sometimes it'll corrupt chucks if you try to do anything with copycats

[gentle flume]

im pretty sure it happens on fabric aswell

[sour lodge]

Yes it does 😔
with all the copycat bytes

[manic linden]

Nope. I've never even had it crash on fabric. It doesn't understand how to rotate or mirror copycats but it otherwise works flawlessly for me. I almost exclusively use the hotbar tools and not the editor though so maybe the way that handles them is less reliable.

Running it via connector meanwhile will frequently crash whenever using them on any copycats and when doing it with bytes will also corrupt the chunk

[jovial rain]

connector is like that sometimes yea

[manic linden]

yeah. which sucks, since I'm almost exclusively building in creative and the only alternative is world edit which. lol

[jovial rain]

yeah if the mod form of WE was at least based on FAWE then maybe it'd be better

[spare burrow]

I use axiom on connector and I frequently use it with Copycats, stacking, moving, cloning, rotating, the like

Never crashes

[gentle flume]

weird

[atomic oxide]

axiom with copycat bytes sometimes cause world locks

usually if your copying bytes over other bytes

oh yea and byte panels

every other copycat works just fine though

idk if its fixed in the latest copycats+ buuuut i would advise to be carefull either way

[manic linden]

I've had it happen during the copy with the hotbar tools. Like i make the selection and start moving and that's when it crashes and corrupte the chunk, before I've even pasted it back in

[atomic oxide]

hmm usually it happens when i already pasted it in

but likewise yes corrupted chunk

[manic linden]

Yeah it sucks. There's a bunch of forge exclusives I'd love to use but at least for my current project axiom is kinda non negotiable for me. Too big of a scale and too modern a style

People who build skyscrapers without tools are wild to me

[wooden osprey]

where does one find this?

mb found it

[wooden osprey]

W.I.P Ffaquar Branch with the use of RailX

[short ginkgo]

nice

[cedar nymph]

wow nice

will definitely get into improving/fixing bugs of railx after exam (3 days left)

[wet iron]

Am I tripping or is the platform angled? If yes, how did you acheive this? (what mod did you use?)

[covert jewel]

lowkey couldn’t u just do this with create

and a mechanical bearing

[cedar nymph]

wow i havent thought of that

the only problem is curved + tilted platform

[covert jewel]

ngl…. long enough curve? barely notice it

[cedar nymph]

yah but...

i.e) this WIP station where max gradient = 47‰ (didn't intended to; its too steep. but earlier railx showed gradient wrong; I still think it should show max gradient rather than average gradient(y/x))

[wooden osprey]

this is exactly what @covert jewel suggested. base create mechanical bearing

[wooden osprey]

good luck!

[cerulean iron]

custardcat you here? wow

[atomic oxide]

yyes i am indeed in the snr disc server

i am also in the blocks n bogies, create and vs disc server too

tbh there are a few people that can be commenly found arround aswell

like uhhh "plasma" (i think that was there profile name)

and copycats+... and create propulsion...

i also recently rejoined the aeronautics server since aero released and spiked in popularity again

[short ginkgo]

im everywhere

[atomic oxide]

Oh Yes Indeedy you are :)

[wet iron]

@cedar nymph Might be a pepega question, but how does one make a tilted track? (or is it not possible?)

[cedar nymph]

It's possible (but very uncomfortable; on the roadmap) by hovering into flexiTrak 'block' (not on curve) while holding wrench

you can rotate direction / gradient / tilt

but it has some tiny bug; if rotating block while there are some curves connected to it, it literally flips

...so many bugs holy

gotta implement something like adding tilt automatically according to given speed/max radius limit

[jovial rain]

let's flood your repository's issues with reports of this tier of quality

absolutely impeccable

god i love this image

[cedar nymph]

wow

[jovial rain]

2

[cedar nymph]

[queue overflows]

[jovial rain]

i also love bangers like

"exit code 1"

[cerulean iron]

Ohh, I don't got the Create Propulsion dc

Where can I find it?

Tho Create Propulsion a Ve addon

It might be in vs dc

But i am off for the day

And a bit busy

[wet iron]

Sucks that I don't have nitro. I could otherwise shown some "issues" (and funny ones) that I encountered, such as..
If I try to Tilt, Gradient a track just 1%, the button to tilt/gradient/direct track wouldn't be interactable anymore while also it would distort the track if trying to tilt it.

But I'm unsure if those specific two issues have been reported before.

(example of the interactive button vanishing)

[wet iron]

Idk which mods fault is this (yours or stacode's) but while placing a track and holding "Ctrl" for flexible track placement, the speed "calculator" (which is stacode's mod) stops until I release "Ctrl" button. Also the text stack.

[normal temple]

maybe a keybind thing?

[cedar nymph]

yeah, i'm sorry for not mentioning: i'm aware of that. it happens every time

and i'm poor at math it requires better hitTest

[cedar nymph]

definitely maybe sth wrong with mine,

[rough vortex]

amazing mod tho

thanks for your contributions man

[wet iron]

It's fine. Just never stop going forward. Your addon alone is revolutionary.

[wooden osprey]

no genuinely I agree with this guy

used it on one build and it's completely changed the way i think abt laying create track

i've constantly yapped to my build team how insane a mod like this would be and we've got

you have truly achieved a mastery my good sir

[wet iron]

Man idk how to explain this properly, but for an unknown reason (currently), when grading a track at 30%, the tracks at both ends grade more aggressively (in case of 30%, max gradient reached: 40.11%) before balancing back to 30%.
Am I tripping or is this unintentionaly not supposed to happen?
-# p.s. based on a canon track layout in-game.

[cedar nymph]

aah so that was... intentional but misleading; currently it shows average grad (horizon d. / vertical d.), not max grad.
This should be changed to show both, but hud is already overloaded so I'm pondering how to do

have same issue with my world; i have grad <= 30 per mille restriction so placed some tracks, then found out this issue.

[wet iron]

So what happens next? (What's your plan? Will you change it or fix the gradient or something else?)

[cedar nymph]

so for this issue, showing both max gradient and average?

then fix all bugs, improvements then uploading on modrinth or so

[wet iron]

I didn't specify properly, but I meant the gradient spike before it balances back. (0% -> 41% -> 30% -> 30% -> 30% -> 41% -> 0%)

-# Or is it realisticaly/mathematicaly impossible? I'm not sure.

[cedar nymph]

....what why

omg

aah you meant that

[cedar nymph]

so this is limitation of automatic gradient; we cannot modify all the gradients from start to end.
The logic is not that different from Create, so will share common problems

so, making horizontal dist. of start(0->30) and end(30->0) longer won't this fix issue?

not using automatic gradient (use wrench to rotate before connecting to any curve) maybe one option, but it's very uncomfortable

flexiTrak definitely need more tools:

• connecting from 2 blocks to 1 block (finding ideal direction; I took 30min for one 2-1 connection)
• overall track planning, regarding max radius / gradient / required resources (separate from flexiTrak; planned to be done for buildTrak feature; took 3h+ but did not complete my depot)
• making completely straight line, by picking two points then rotating both end blocks
• rotating flexi track block, in regard of min R / ... of connected curves

[rough vortex]

have you ever looked at the track placement system that Immersive Railroading utilized?

I found it pretty intuitive and it produced nice looking rail segments

[cedar nymph]

Haven't tried, will look at that

[short ginkgo]

this is supposed to happen
to turn from a slope to a straight section the track needs to turn which needs it to be steeper to fit in the same horizontal space
if you made the space between the outer green blocks like 10 blocks each it should work better

[wet iron]

hmm I'll give it a try next time.

[mystic dock]

@cedar nymph for what version/mod loader is this now?

[cedar nymph]

yah, in my world I had same case
you can (probably) make, suppose we have flexi trackblock A - B - C - ... then grad of AB only increases, BC (mostly) constant grad, ...

[cedar nymph]

for Forge 1.20.1 / NeoForge 1.21.1 now.

[mystic dock]

oh alr

[rough vortex]

I feel like with aeronautics releasing you're gonna see a massive shift from 1.20.1 to 1.21.1

[mystic dock]

Yeah, but yk, until most things get out on a loader people actually use idk

although usually what works for forge also works for neoforge and vice versa

considering how much better neoforge is for more modern versions (1.21.1+)

it might be a natural switch

[orchid grove]

nobody is making forge 1.21.1 mods

[covert jewel]

isnt 1.21.1 just neo/fabric?

[atomic oxide]

1.21.1 is indeed neon forge and neoff fabric

i mean there are a few forge 1.21.1 mods but its mostly taken other by this new, neon forge

[cedar nymph]

recursive call

*railx is known to support up to Create 6.0.8
*IDK about 6.0.9, absolutely broken with 6.0.10

[rough vortex]

technically there's forge for 1.21.1, but everyone is on neoforge and fabric

[gentle flume]

since aero has released, now we have an option for a better performing station that is also interactable lmao

-# (idk why but aero objects seem to perform better than base create contraptions on my end)

[jovial rain]

because aero does not use flywheel for its' entities i think

i think they use veil instead

but i am not certain so take it with a grain of salt

[wooden osprey]

is there a way to have an aero contraption locked in place tho

[jovial rain]

magnets, the weird docking connector thingy, or whatever other thingamajigs it offers

[gentle flume]

for starters there's creative wand thing (i forgot the name)

and whatever above person has said

[cedar nymph]

oh railx had some critical(but edge-case; most people won't have experienced this) bug

Because of this TrackGraph of my rail world is broken... holy

[jovial rain]

dw I'm sure the mixins I made into create's train fuel logic will explode the second I change one patch

trolllaugh

that's just standard practice at this point

[cedar nymph]

create addons constantly breaking at any Create patch update

[jovial rain]

the illusion of semantic versioning

[cedar nymph]

mixin breaking every kind of modern programming practice (encapsulation, ...)

[jovial rain]

idk i think i'm going to have fun porting that logic from 1.20.1 6.0.8 to 1.21.1 6.0.10+ lmao, i hope they didn't change much

[cedar nymph]

holy

[jovial rain]

harold

i mean it's a fairly unintrusive mixin that just falls through to the default logic when the conditions aren't met

then again create will probably find a way to screw me over

not to mention i have to work with neoforge stuff 😭

[cedar nymph]

I thought Create itself did not differ that much when I migrated from 1.21.1 to 1.20.1 (except for unavoidable mixin changes from lambda$6 to lambda$8)

but yeah

forge 1.20.1 to neoforge 1.21.1 is hell

[jovial rain]

i like how both neoforge and forge have a complete absence of docs on how to register fluids

i swear to god it's way more convoluted than it needs to be

[cedar nymph]

they had docs?

yeah whole documentation around modding community...

IDK as I'm begineer to midding so far

[jovial rain]

https://docs.neoforged.net/docs/1.21.1/ do you see fluids anywhere? me neither

trolllaugh

but imagine how displeased I was learning that i have to register a fluid type, a fluid source, a flowing fluid, and a fluid block

we're not done yet

[cedar nymph]

the fastest way for me was just copying Create code

[jovial rain]

then a client event to register a custom texture for said fluid

trolllaugh

[cedar nymph]

whooah

[jovial rain]

i did NOT enjoy it at all

trolley

[cedar nymph]

yeah also I haven't known that there would be some event for modifying registrys for NeoForge

[jovial rain]

but my lazy ass is used to the gregtech addon interface which has registrate in it

which makes everything a thousand times easier

[cedar nymph]

yes

if create had some standard addon interface

[jovial rain]

trolllaugh

point and laugh at this person

addon interface in big 26? that's too much that you want

yeah gregtech is awesome to work with in this regard

though i have been somewhat busy testing their changes in the big API breaking update they're planning

at least they have migration docs 🥀

[cedar nymph]

migration docs???

top tier modding environment

[jovial rain]

they used to not do them at all

for your reading pleasure

https://gregtechceu.github.io/GregTech-Modern/1.20.1/Modpacks/Changes/v8.0.0/

i hope it won't make you sob compared to create /j

[cedar nymph]

...me, adding yet another utility to fix my broken world

[jovial rain]

trolley

we love boilerplating stuff

though some of the docs are actually quite good for neo

[cedar nymph]

yes, thinking neo docs is fairly good

except for they are tiny kinds of

[jovial rain]

though i am stupid and can't figure out why one of my testing blocks has dementia and forgets its' energy buffer every relog even though i save it

trolllaugh

maybe create will eventually have an API for addons

wishful thinking though

i think we're maybe too far in its' existence for it to actually happen

[cedar nymph]

maybe happen in 2030?

even if that happens all mod devs might continue to use mixin

at least they won't provide any ways to inplement flexiTrak without mixin

[jovial rain]

do you know what a shock it was for me to learn for every change i want to do i have to do a mixin, rather than just

extending an existing class and doing overrides to make it work normally?

or listening to a registration event for machines or stuff like that

trolllaugh

[cedar nymph]

yeah I thought everything would work by events

from previous bukkit experience

[jovial rain]

you wish you had stuff like this /j

then I extend ChunkloaderMachine in like two different classes so I actually set the consumption and radius and register the behavior of two machines through said different classes

trolley

i actually have utmost respect for anyone who bothers with create really

i couldn't

[cedar nymph]

yeah but

Create addon might be not that so bad

as their code..................

[jovial rain]

i mean some of the parts are good

i took inspiration from the hose pulley's fluid scanning code for my hydroelectric generator

since i made that scan water blocks to calculate the voltage tier and amperage

[cedar nymph]

but they definitely have some issues

yeah, vanilla Create track is capped by 45deg rotation so they can have some kind of assumptions

but......

[wooden osprey]

update on the station

[rough vortex]

is create 6.0.10 support super big on the radar right now?

[cedar nymph]

for railx, that is not that difficult

I think I already fixed, but haven't tested (as my recent Intel Arc graphics driver upgrade made minecraft crash)

[rough vortex]

peak

[cedar nymph]

waiting for yet another patch...

opengl + intel arc = utter holyness

[jovial rain]

I'm surprised arc has gl support actually

that they don't just have a wrapper to run gl on vulkan like zink on linux does

[wooden osprey]

hey @cedar nymph

quick questaroonie

it would appear railx has like

done smth i dunno

i cant load into my world anymore

[lofty basin]

@wooden osprey

[wooden osprey]

i see

[cedar nymph]

btw this can be mostly fixed by reinstalling drivers (found out a few hours ago)

if your laptop/computer has arc + xe, run arc installer with removing previous option then install xe without that option

so lots of incremental update breaks driver

[fervent fable]

Idk why but this has a strange cutesy feel to it

[lethal rampart]

looking forward to experience this,im building the usui toge railway its painful only 45/90degree available

[fervent fable]

It's on the github and is stable enough. You might get rendering bugs but reloading the games shader seems to fix the issue F3+T I think is the buttons or you can rejoin.

[wet iron]

F3 + A does the job as well.

[lethal rampart]

thanks!i will try it

[lofty basin]

no!

[rough vortex]

is there an ETA on the next build release?

[cedar nymph]

I'm student so, not really. Continuously writing out something though.

I'm struggling with unknown bug of railx nowadays

[rough vortex]

no worries and no rush

this addon is exactly what create needs for real

[cedar nymph]

thanks again

[rough vortex]

yeah for sure

I definitely want to use it on my server that I'm working on

I was originally building it on 1.20.1 but aeronautics dropped and you kinda gotta get with the times yk

I mean like I had to update to 1.21.1 so I could have aeronautics

[wooden osprey]

my little guy for ffaquahar

and he'll actually have track that makes sense to run on

[orchid grove]

holy polygons

[wooden osprey]

yes

polygonal

[orchid grove]

potato pc deep frier: the train

[cedar nymph]

I encountered tiny bug; when using flexiTrak, y of each graph nodes (especially when track block is tilted) are slightly offset, causing disconnect, invalid graph.
This was primary reason my own world was broken (had another, more severe bug but this was not built into Github Releases)

god bless my build pipeline

....then realized I didn't build my build script

why roller replace block does not work for my world... aha

wow even crushing wheel can be wheel for simulated: offroad?

[lofty basin]

WHAT?!

i need to try that

[cedar nymph]

what a surprising code

[lofty basin]

water wheel AND flywheel too?

[cedar nymph]

aand mechanical roller

[cedar nymph]

this issue might be caused by code conflict for making mechanical roller into tire

[cedar nymph]

sable blocks breaking block if distance from roller block position to breaking block position is larger than 2

[vast horizon]

People, please tell me how to use this mod?

[cedar nymph]

yeah it's under development so not that user-friendly, you are 1.20.1 or 1.21.1?

[vast horizon]

1.20.1

[cedar nymph]

then... hold left Ctrl to use flexible placement

originally can change keybind but didn't implement that for 1.20.1

[vast horizon]

I'll try now

Do the rails have a slope when turning?

[cedar nymph]

Not automatically added now

You can click track block with wrench to rotate each 'flexi track block' (ones placed by holding Ctrl) btw

[vast horizon]

😂

[cedar nymph]

but it's quite buggy...

oops yeah

1. if rotating track block with curves, it becomes like this (but if you rotate once more, it returns!!)
2. after rotating one track block once, you often cannot rotate that block again... break and place again

planning to fix these

[cedar nymph]

btw I know that these cant should depend on some kind of trains, like their weights
so supporting automatic cant will be hard regarding these customizations

[vast horizon]

The interface is not very clear, I think instead of the letter K it should be added to degrees and indicate the direction in which to turn.

[wet iron]

Are you also planning to fix this weird sitting "behaviour" when on a curve? Or is this SnR issue?

[cedar nymph]

aah

maybe RailX 0.2.0-build.5 for 1.21.1 fix this? are you using 1.21.1 or 1.20.1?

[wet iron]

1.20.1

It even happens when fixTrackBezierAssymetry is on (unless it's completely irrelevant in the current context).

[cedar nymph]

yeah but I thought using degree would be more confusing in long term; systematically it splits into 2^n rotations, so in degree they will be some confusing numbers like 3, 5, 7, 10, 13, 15, ...

[cedar nymph]

of course you restarted the game after enabling that option, then................. ummmmmm

[wet iron]

It's been days since I turned it on. (So unintentionaly, the game has restarted enough times.)

[cedar nymph]

maybe only occur for 1.20.1 so I should test

[wet iron]

When I lay some tracks, they automatically have some extremely slight tilt (lower than <0.5 degrees), this weird PoV/sitting usually occurs when I go through these tracks.

[vast horizon]

I can give you an idea! Try adding some gravel banks, perhaps by creating them from voxels.
Every time you build rails uphill, you end up with this damn gap that you have to fill manually.

[cedar nymph]

...holy

for curves I've done mostly nothing

it'd be caused by BezierConnection (of Create) itself mostly but IDK why

[cedar nymph]

wah so I'm trying to implement Gravel Layer Block at least

IDK about this thing as implementing graphics looks hard for me

[wet iron]

The small numbers are visually harmless though. (I mean, the track looks normal/fine)

It's just (the weird behaviour occurs) when passed by with a train/contraption.

[cedar nymph]

aah

so train itself tilts without any configuration?

quite related but not exactly same issue on GitHub: https://github.com/lhwdev/railx/issues/2
this placement is illegal for flexiTrack-flexiTrack connection

so I suspect connecting create track - flexiTrak connection (which should also work)

[wet iron]

I haven't observed that. But what happens is the "Player" seated, suddenly goes up or down (below the contraption and then returns to normal position when on a curveless track.

[cedar nymph]

oh

really touched nothing about that, what a strange behavior

[wet iron]

I'll try and record a small bit (if Discord storage allows me) to give you an idea of what's going on.

..but later.

[cedar nymph]

or please give me this screenshot including Axis: K?? -> K??, Delta=[?,?,?] etc

[cedar nymph]

ah yeah

and including roller support

[cedar nymph]

I did same thing for some parts of my railway but yeah

purely time consuming

In some day this might work

[vast horizon]

And how to tilt the rails?

[cedar nymph]

....isn't it already tilted?

meaning tilting again?

[cedar nymph]

previously tried tilting ValueBox (the box that is shown when holding wrench) but couldn't succeed

[cedar nymph]

so 'short right click' flexiTrak block while holding wrench

[vast horizon]

😁

[cedar nymph]

wow

I really want to properly tilted real-world scale railway but

they would be really frustrating to do that for current version

like this but tilted

[cedar nymph]

...whooah

rollercoaster

[vast horizon]

I do

[cedar nymph]

[cedar nymph]

[vast horizon]

I'm doing something similar to the Trans-Siberian Railway.

[cedar nymph]

wow you're really serious

amazing work

[vast horizon]

yes 😁

[vast horizon]

This world already weighs 31gb and is just getting started

[cedar nymph]

holy lol

[candid citrus]

what kind of resource pack or mod is this for modified rails?

[vast horizon]

For these

[candid citrus]

can you give a link to such rails?

[vast horizon]

Here is a set of textures for you to explore for yourself.

It also replaces some wheels.

[cedar nymph]

um I'm begineer with forge modding what happened with this item model

lol

[vast horizon]

I asked a friend to paint a gravel layer in Blockbench; he's pretty good at it and is the creator of this texture pack.

[cedar nymph]

oh but I thought Minecraft automatically generate 3d texture

it might be some resource error or something

[vast horizon]

?

[short ginkgo]

i dont think it does

[cedar nymph]

but then how this model works at minecraft:item/snow.json

I just copied as is

[short ginkgo]

good question

[vast horizon]

Try to draw something like this @cedar nymph

[cedar nymph]

might gonna into that if I had enough time?

[short ginkgo]

i feel like its too wide

3 blocks wide at the top and 45° angle going down might be better

[vast horizon]

No, this option is more realistic and closer to reality.

[short ginkgo]

in reality the ballast only extends slightly over the ends of the sleepers

[vast horizon]

Which option is better?

[short ginkgo]

use bytes instead of slopes

[short ginkgo]

also 3 blocks space between 2 tracks is a lot

i normally do 1 or 2

[vast horizon]

I like (1 green)

I just wish I could draw it like this

[short ginkgo]

tbh i feel like the middle should be 4 blocks wide and then have bytes going down in a 45° angle

[vast horizon]

45 is too much, I think.

[short ginkgo]

better than half that

[short ginkgo]

i would make it a 3 layer drop instead of a 2 layer one

[vast horizon]

then it will become too wide

[short ginkgo]

it will become less wide

[wet iron]

First ss shows highest tilt the track reaches (I start to doubt if it eventualy plays any role). On the second video (f5 view), I accidentaly moved the mouse a bit, but I hope that the overall point is gotten.

This sudden up-down "spike" happens almost on all curved tracks (in the current world) I go through (with the contraption I use being 80~ blocks long) (fix Track Bezier Assymetry also was already enabled, as I said earlier)

[cedar nymph]

.......wow

[fervent fable]

I mean.. what if you don't want gravel banks?

[cedar nymph]

I, still thinking gravel layer is best option

[fervent fable]

If this happens then that would be amazing -> https://github.com/lhwdev/railx/issues/7

[cedar nymph]

aaaaa I had same issue

yeah placing block beneath curves

definitely good option to add; you are using MC 1.21.1?

adding keybind would be great? (default to 'unbind' and you can customize)

[fervent fable]

I use 1.20.1 but it would be worth adding to both

Tbh steam n rails should do it themself but I have a feeling they won't so next best thing would be if the dev for this mod did

[cedar nymph]

for now IDK why custom keybinds does not show up inside options so I should figure out that

[short ginkgo]

so many new options

i wonder if its worth making an extra menu similar to that of pantographs and wires

[cedar nymph]

🤔 definitely need to get into UX thingy

[wet iron]

In this case it wouldn't be called a "spike", as the train wasn't going fast. But the faster you go, the more sudden it'll (the up-down pov motion) look like.

[rotund drift]

This mod in conjunction with Aero when/if it ever adds physics for trains (or when an addon is made to do so anyway) is a dream of mine.

[cedar nymph]

yeah I'm looking forward to simulated: trains or something

[rotund drift]

I just want to make a railway gun with aero, I can’t make myself interested in it until I can. It’s the most nonsense thing to be hyperfixated on but I am nonetheless.

[cedar nymph]

This is just pure imagination, but I also thought of train-induced wind that has same effect as encased fan

train-washed irons or...

yeah in reality they would be very dangerous

[rotund drift]

That would be sick, a little broken maybe, but quite cool.

I kind of blame Foxhole for my interest in artillery cannons and to a lesser extent trains. Artillery cannons on trains was completely their fault though, that idea was planted in my head entirely because I play that game.

[lethal rampart]

guys why the train is not tilting,im using 1.21.1, 0.2build 5

is that because i added snr?

[cedar nymph]

i haven't tested this yet

create train might not support any tilting, i guess

[lethal rampart]

i also found snr rails cant place flexible(sad

[cedar nymph]

are you on 1.21.1?

[lethal rampart]

so is this version only have rail tilt not train tilt(?

yes

[lethal rampart]

but how he tilted

[cedar nymph]

I don't know about that

but I've heard that Create Realism has train tilt feature, maybe?

[wet iron]

It's another mod. "Create Realism" (by stacode)

[lethal rampart]

thank u

[cedar nymph]

WIP on gravel layer

now it works with roller (technically not builtin Create roller; need to craft another 'advanced mechanical roller')

WIP: falling for Gravel Layer? is this needed?

[vast horizon]

Bro, your mod is causing some major visual bugs.

[vast horizon]

Excellent! Now we need to scatter the gravel on both sides.

[vast horizon]

Something like this

[cedar nymph]

yeah, definitely the next step is this

should gravel layer fall like normal gravel block?

[vast horizon]

Do you mean add physics?

[cedar nymph]

yeah, like sand or gravel

[vast horizon]

WHAT to do with this??

[cedar nymph]

I really cannot what is causing that issue, but another folk reported the same

are you on 1.21 or 1.20?

[vast horizon]

Hmmm... I don't even know, probably not.

[vast horizon]

1.20.1

[cedar nymph]

hmmmmmmmmmm... at least haven't see this issue on 1.20

[vast horizon]

This looks like a texture glitch.

[cedar nymph]

railx does not have any builtin texture so
far, so....

[vast horizon]

This happens when placing rails with some chance

[vast horizon]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

[cedar nymph]

I should test on 1.20 or
just discard 1.20

[vast horizon]

It's up to you

[short ginkgo]

oh yea that also happens to me sometimes on 1.21.1

[cedar nymph]

why I haven't seen this issue

so assuming mod conflict, can I get your mod list? simple screenshot would suffice

[lethal rampart]

guys why snr rails cant be placed any direction except 45/90 in 1.21.1

[short ginkgo]

because the inofficial port is not supported

[short ginkgo]

no its not needed dont do it

[cedar nymph]

I should really consider supporting unofficial SnR port on 1.21.1

IDK how many people are using that but

[vast horizon]

Another bug

[cedar nymph]

aah

would you try disabling middleTrack feature in railx config?

server > middleTrack > enabled = false

[vast horizon]

[cedar nymph]

middleTrack is mostly essential feature for very long curves (as, in vanilla Create, if 'primary' track block of curve is not loaded into chunk, curve itself does not render), but it is quite buggy

so...... I should improve that yeah

[vast horizon]

OOO

[cedar nymph]

If you see curves from distance some curves won't be rendered without middleTrack

[cedar nymph]

...aaaand the only feature involved in some intricated rendering is middleTrack

maybe middleTrack would be the cause of this issue?

[short ginkgo]

i mean i cant just stop using long turns

[vast horizon]

What if you need to build large-radius rails, but the mod doesn't allow it?

[short ginkgo]

i guess using some smart math you could split up turns into multiple sections

[cedar nymph]

I originally planned adding feature that automatically splitt long curves into small one

[short ginkgo]

but im too stupid for that smart math

[vast horizon]

What if the terrain doesn't allow it?

[cedar nymph]

one possible way so far:

1. find point on curve, where center of curve fits mostly into one block
2. whild holding track, see precise overlay to figure out exact direction ('125°' etc)
3. just place track block with same direction. use wrench to precisely rotate.
   but this is very uncomfortable

[short ginkgo]

since you can turn the flexi tracks in all 3 directions that is not an issue

[short ginkgo]

yea but thats just eyeballing it

[cedar nymph]

yeah rolling out tracks are... very irritating

I originally(TM) planned to add feature named 'buildTrak', which is basically just vector editor

which shows horizontal/vertical figure including terrain

[wet iron]

F3 + A should do the job. (As it does in my cases.)

[cedar nymph]

but realized my coding ability is not good, at least to implement this

[vast horizon]

I turn shaders on and off, it helps me. ))

[wet iron]

This glitch has a chance to occur anytime you place tracks, regardless of shaders. Try and press F3 + A next time you encounter it.

[vast horizon]

➿

[vast horizon]

The way it goes is back and forth, but I just want a straight line, but because of the length, the rails can't be built at 51 degrees.

[cedar nymph]

length? how long it should be?

[vast horizon]

What I mean is that it is not possible to construct long radii and straight lines at a non-standard angle.

[cedar nymph]

i'm still not understanding, isn't it possible?

[vast horizon]

one second

[cedar nymph]

ex) K56 -> K56, select position with maximum R (see overlay on world & hud overlay) -> yields mostly straight line with i.e. R=38492. if you are lucky you can build line with R=Infinity

[cedar nymph]

um

does launcher log shows some error?

[vast horizon]

no

[cedar nymph]

will test it on my laptop

[short ginkgo]

looks like a standard out of render distance thing

[cedar nymph]

but I'm out; so tomorrow

yeah it might be slightly out of distance; try increase that

if it is completely out of chunk then it says original block is removed

in some cases it just fails without any message; IDK why

what a terrible mod

[vast horizon]

Bro....

[short ginkgo]

whats the 1 chunk

[vast horizon]

This is the range of shadows

[short ginkgo]

ah

yea then no idea

[vast horizon]

I set the rendering to 60 chunks, but it still doesn't work.

[cedar nymph]

holy

[wooden osprey]

Does this automatically get done when rolling track??

[wooden osprey]

PLEASE DO NOT DISCARD 1.20

I beg of ypu

[cedar nymph]

yeah but WIP, not released yet

[cedar nymph]

yah even if they might be ore unstable, not considering discarding them so far

as there is simply no 1.21.1 support for 1.20.1 for many mods

[vast horizon]

I found a solution to the problem

[cedar nymph]

aah

i haven't checked that

forgot as i always put that to maximum, sorry

why something like 'exceed length limit' message doesn't show

[vast horizon]

How to make equal intervals?

[cedar nymph]

that is related to create itself

but might create a patch (as i might already know the cause)

why they even create step LUT then do not use them on some part of code

i might be wrong IDK

[vast horizon]

I'm just screaming from these turns

[cedar nymph]

[vast horizon]

Just so you understand the scale of the problem.

[wet iron]

I usually make a single track and then surround it with 2 tracks (without leaving any gap between the tracks). After that, I delete the track in the middle. (It may be irrelevant or insufficient in terms of calculations, but I'm personally happy with the result)

[hazy folio]

narrow gauge dual gauge track so good

[cedar nymph]

I... just do math regarding the exact position of flexiTrak block
always used (5,0), (5, 1) or (4,2) worked

not to try having exact offset; if they were same, I could build girder between tracks for K00 but I cannot for sth like K18

really want someone to build some mod including:

• overall railway planning
• curve based on speed limit / train weight
• terrain height map, compare curve to terrain

[vast horizon]

Emmmm? How is this in general?

[wooden osprey]

yay railx

thank you railx

[wooden osprey]

i love you railx

[cedar nymph]

so basically everyone is better at building than me

i love that

[covert jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747894770747310181/1445497748152651857/KeepPracticing.gif

[fervent fable]

Reloading shaders/F3+T/Rejoining world fixes the rendering issue

[fervent fable]

Try simulation distance. Render is just for seeing things. Simulation is for actually loading stuff.

[short ginkgo]

tbh that guy is using blockbench to make trains instead of copycats so a lot more possibilites become open

[cedar nymph]

yah it seems so but that is also skill

[rotund drift]

I love how this reflects the expansion of detail fidelity offered by mod devs over time just as much as it reflects the development of your building skills.

[covert jewel]

it’s partly that, but also partly me actually using said mods/parts.. eg for the first one, i didn’t have copycats+

[rotund drift]

That’s fair. Although, the two are correlated anyway. Especially when you, and others, post your builds where devs see them and doubly in your case, are one of the devs for some of them mods you use.

[covert jewel]

both good points

the old SnR smokestacks didn’t last long when i came around

part of that kinda thing is trial and error, and it’s different in-game than in modelling software

making stuff in blockbench is essentially a vacuum, you can’t get a 100% feel for how it looks/what uses it has/needs until it’s in game and you spend time with it

eg the half-increment smokestacks. i didn’t think about them at all but quite quickly upon addition to the game it became apparent that they were needed

you can see that reflected in the transition between the the first 3 iterations of the engine

[rotund drift]

I’ve toyed around in modelling softwares before, vacuum feels like a bit of an understatement. Safe to say I’m not very good at it, makes it much easier to appreciate the work you all do.

[covert jewel]

its just time. time and understanding

[rotund drift]

Yeah for sure, I’m slowly getting over my barrier of getting way too frustrated way too quickly with myself when learning new things. That one also takes time and understanding to overcome.

[rotund drift]

Increments in general are something vanilla ish Minecraft is missing for this scale, I think it’s why create copycat+ gives such an immediate improvement even when it’s not used to its full potential.

[covert jewel]

increments are where it departs from vanilla..

my personal style keeps all elements at whole-number thicknesses, or at 0 to try align with minecraft vanilla styling (and creates by extension)

getting clever with backface usage, flat planes and element inflation can give you a huge boost in possibilities

not train related however

[fast eagle]

clock

[rotund drift]

I’ve seen a lot of your trains, I really like them. Your control of form despite that constraint is awesome. I remember somewhere you talked about not liking slopes in part because they limited imagination, that really sold me on your design philosophy.

If I wasn’t a poser and actually played the game more than a couple hours every couple months I’d probably hold myself to similar constraints.

[covert jewel]

i honestly don’t play the game more than a couple of hours every couple of months

[rotund drift]

That’s also fair, but evidently you use that time creatively, I don’t and that’s the real difference.

[covert jewel]

building one engine and taking screenshots, or testing out a resource pack/mod change

[rotund drift]

That sounds creative to me. To be fair to myself, my time has been spent trying to craft a modpack that has a specific experience in mind with no prior knowledge or experience on how that works. This mod here excites me because it could be part of that.

[covert jewel]

on the limiting creativity topic, having the exact things you need modelled and ready to be placed is nice and does contribute to something looking more realistic, but it does mean you don’t develop problem solving skills in creating something in imitation

as an easy example, back tanks for westinghouse pumps is a common substitution in engine building

[rotund drift]

That’s the part I remember clearly, I resonate with that position pretty strongly.

[covert jewel]

the animated valve gear in bnb is really damn nice, but the problem-solving and creativity of imitating it with blocks in-game when we had only-piston bogies was peak

in the end, i think i got near-close enough that when the engine was moving, unless you’re on it, you couldn’t really tell

and then

-# (both images from that same gif)

[rotund drift]

Damn, I didn’t even notice.

[covert jewel]

the andesite scaffolding + create funnel tricked a lot of people in screenshots

yourself included it seems XD

-# we should probably move this convo out of this thread as it’s off topic and kinda taking over

[rotund drift]

I need to pop back on that discord just to analyze everything you have on there. I think it has tricked me more than just now.

[covert jewel]

i have a thread in

https://discord.gg/zMuGQsnd

which is my most active place for posting

[rotund drift]

Ty

[cedar nymph]

Now it works for wide fill; black ones are caused by shading issue that I should fix

ofc gradient should be customizable

so, which option should be available?

1. constant line slope (y=x)
2. some curvy (y=-x^2 like)
3. etc

[hazy folio]

flooding the world with a gravel tsunami

[covert jewel]

good lord why is it so WIDE

[cedar nymph]

yeah trying most extreme one

[cedar nymph]

generally it'd be straight line, with extra offset, slope?

[short ginkgo]

constant line
also near 45° it should use bytes instead of layers if thats possible

[cedar nymph]

aha bytes

haha

so it seems both two (very flat / 45deg) should be available

[short ginkgo]

i think it should be possible to set any angle

[cedar nymph]

yeah, already possible but haven't thought of any bytes

[short ginkgo]

at any angle between 22.5° and 67.5° bytes are more realistic than layers

[wooden osprey]

gosh very wide

[vast horizon]

By the way, bro. For more realism, try changing the gravel layer from 1 block plate to 4. And make sure each layer segment can grow independently.

[short ginkgo]

you cant make each segment grow independently

too many blockstates

you would have to compromise and only use 4 layers per block

[vast horizon]

[rotund drift]

That doesn’t feel like too bad of a compromise. This mod allows for some very subtle curves, it would look more appealing to have the gravel layers slit up into smaller sections to better follow them than to have more layers as it makes steeper slopes look more fluid despite creating “steps” up close. I think a better option might be to instead split it into halves over quarters, certainly if it allows for more layers.

[atomic oxide]

hmmmm brass byte panel???

[short ginkgo]

copycats has a feature in the config

to make them easier to differentiate

[cedar nymph]

these blocks would be used everytime so should not use any kind of BlockEntity if available, implemented as pure BlockState. Note that gravel layer is already new block, not copycat

[cedar nymph]

so this: 8x8x8x8=4096 blocks

so highly lilely I incline not to support 8-layer bytes

atl 4 bytes possible (128256 states)

[misty horizon]

how is this being done? what mod is this?

this is exactly what I was looking for before

[cedar nymph]

its like just under development

[misty horizon]

is there a version available for people to use

your mod looks really cool

I was doing that exact layer thing except by hand

you saved my life

[cedar nymph]

so layer thing is still under development (not available so far)

might release in a few days but

this mod itself is also under development, available at https://github.com/lhwdev/railx/releases
but it can break your world, be sure to backup

[misty horizon]

how do I turn those files into a jar lol

[cedar nymph]

click Assets > jar file

[misty horizon]

oh lmao

thanks

[cedar nymph]

btw select proper thingy according to your mc version

[misty horizon]

thank you!

[mystic dock]

Funny I enjoy planning yards more than actually building trains

[mystic dock]

what about 4 layer bytes?

[cedar nymph]

yeah it seems quite feasible

oh 4x4x4x4=256

i'm so dumb

btw 256.... might be feasible? IDK

[mystic dock]

256 states seem possible

considering Chisel and Bits is somewhat stable once rendered

and that deals with 16 * 16 * 16 block states

[cedar nymph]

it's different story

they seems to use BlockEntity to store states

at least they won't create every 4096 blockstates

but this layer should be used everywhere, slightly different to chesels and bits

should consider some storage area, memory, performance etc

[mystic dock]

capping it at slab height could do it

[cedar nymph]

🤔

btw 256 might be.. feasible

will try that

btw it's 5x5x5x5, not 4x4x4x4 as it should support 0 layers

=625 holy

[mystic dock]

625 does not sound possible at all

[cedar nymph]

at least will try out... just triple(0-1-2 height) layers

[cedar nymph]

interesting

[royal socket]

I might be wrong, but couldn't you make a constructor, that automatically creates all block states and use a algorithm to assign said block states based on where they will be places? As the algorithm only runs on placement it should not create any lag when the blocks are just in the world, as they are normal blocks after being placed.

[cedar nymph]

yah I already do something similar to tat

but 625 jsons...

yeah nothing wrong with that IDK about impact

[royal socket]

Are you talking about the size of the jar file?

[cedar nymph]

just things like performance / memory

[atomic oxide]

hmmmmmmmm

[royal socket]

I see, I don't really know how Minecraft handles block states, if they are all in memory or read from disk.

[cedar nymph]

'state's itself are like big enum; they are in memory

[vast horizon]

I don't know what to do with this.

[cedar nymph]

it's usually rendering problem where primary track block is too far that it is not rendered

what is exact situation?

[vast horizon]

In this

[cedar nymph]

wow

[vast horizon]

I already wrote about this

In this case F3 + T does not help

[cedar nymph]

so, what track graph looks like, on F3?

(but it might show nothing as you might be too from both end of curve)

[vast horizon]

If I try to explain it, the rails are kind of invisible, but the texture has gone somewhere to the right.

[cedar nymph]

aah

so block outline (that black square thingy) is right position, and rendered track is wrong?

[vast horizon]

And an interesting fact: it is precisely these tracks that have problems with sleepers.

[vast horizon]

Yess

[cedar nymph]

have you tried enabling Fix Track Bezier Assymetry option? (should rejoin world after enabling)

[vast horizon]

I turned it on, but it didn't help.

[cedar nymph]

if there are duplicate tracks (what you've destroyed + what exists now -> not rendered as it is far away) then it might be caused by middleTrack

but it seems not the case

[vast horizon]

Yes it doesn't work

[cedar nymph]

by the way would you try disabling middleTrack, by setting server > middleTrack > enabled to off

[vast horizon]

Nothing

[cedar nymph]

why such a thing like this does not happen in my world

i've worked on my world quite long

[vast horizon]

Well, I'm using your mod to the fullest, consider me a beta tester.

[cedar nymph]

it might be just something like I haven't updated 1.20.1 to latest

[vast horizon]

Maybe try updating and I'll reinstall the mod.

[cedar nymph]

the difference between 1.20.1 and 1.21.1 is huge, and Git is dumb everytime so need to take some time

[vast horizon]

I'm not in a hurry

[vast horizon]

Let's go fix the bugs

[cedar nymph]

btw I can see why I haven't got this issue: I always tried to divide curves into length <= 150 or 200

[vast horizon]

This area is not that big.

[cedar nymph]

aha
meant this thing

[cedar nymph]

PEAM

end era of railx

[vast horizon]

This is an idea of ​​how you can implement turns and their convenient configuration.

[lethal rampart]

and the create:simurail is also developing，cant wait to try physical trains on railx tracks

[fervent fable]

I would love a mod like this (once it is much more developed) but I use 1.20.1

[rough vortex]

the time has come to move on from 1.20.1

I had my whole server built on 1.20.1 and moving it to 1.21.1 has been a pain but honestly at this point it's finally worth it

literally all we're waiting on right now is SnR, but there's a port to hold us over until the official release

[fervent fable]

No thank you.

I mean.. one day perhaps, but not anytime soon. Maybe when Aeronautics is far more fleshed out content wise.

Tbh, I'll probably just skip to a long time after when create 8 comes out

[rough vortex]

compared to create's train system, a roller coaster mod is niche

[fervent fable]

I wouldn't say niche. I think people don't usually make rollercoasters because to make a decent one is at best like 7/10, but shown in the video above is easily a 9/10 already. There's no reason people won't make a rollercoaster if it isn't incredibly difficult to make and is possible to actually make it decent.

[lethal rampart]

yes the simurail fits railx

[misty horizon]

Can you not place SNR tracks at angles?

Also where is simurail, I can’t find it

[short ginkgo]

you can but only on 1.20.1

the inofficial port is not supported

[cedar nymph]

maybe i should support that but just lack of time

atleast so far

[misty horizon]

I see

[misty horizon]

Would it be difficult to implement the functionality for the other tracks? At least the normal gauge ones since they work exactly the same as regular tracks

[short ginkgo]

i doubt it since their function is already implemented in 1.20.1

probably just time consuming

[wooden osprey]

What's simurail

[rough vortex]

aeronautics + trains

basically lets you put physics contraptions on tracks and use rotational power to drive

[rough vortex]

@cedar nymph have a lot of people been testing the 1.21.1 version of railx?

[cedar nymph]

IDK but at least I'm the tester

[rough vortex]

have you found any super big issues with just the free-angle track portion of the mod for 1.21.1?

[cedar nymph]

maybe not? but some others reported some render glich

[fervent fable]

The render glitch isn't a big deal tbh. Just rejoin your world or reload the shader or F3+T etc seems to fix it

[vast horizon]

@cedar nymph So, did you manage to fix the texture shift?

[vast horizon]

In general, I have deduced a pattern that when connecting rails (railx) with standard rails at 45 degrees, a bug occurs with a texture shift and different distances between the sleepers.

When you connect rails (railx) with rails (railx) Everything is fine, when you connect rails (railx) with standard rails 0 degrees Everything is fine, But when you connect rails (railx) with standard rails 45 degrees, bugs occur.

[short ginkgo]

isnt this what is meant to be fixed by track bezier assymmetry?

[vast horizon]

Well, as you can see, it doesn't work.

[vast horizon]

🤨 😵

[atomic oxide]

that is a big rail gap

[short ginkgo]

just put in a bracket using aw and pretend the gap meant to be there

[lofty basin]

Most rails do have massive gaps between each section so it’s kinda realistic

[short ginkgo]

especially when its cold

or you are máv and the brackets are just straight up missing

[lofty basin]

Oh noes

[vast horizon]

Yes, a realistic gap.

[lofty basin]

In the cold

[vast horizon]

The issue isn't really about realism, but about the fact that 45 degree rails (railx) don't connect to standard 45 degree rails, read the post above.

[lofty basin]

I saw

[wet iron]

Replace the standard 45 with RailX's 45.

..so the rails connect.

[vast horizon]

Doesn't work

[wet iron]

Did you start the new (45 degree straight) track from the point where the turn starts/ends ?

[cedar nymph]

If you are mixing railx and normal ones, probability to not work is higher
I tried to improve them but in nature Create track blocks are quite different

[cedar nymph]

I haven't thought of this pattern, will look into this

note that I didn't touch lots of curve rendering; often renders sparse/dense sleepers IDK the cause

[supple sonnet]

im just seeing this now, how wip is this and how do u place it down exactly the way u want?

[rough vortex]

do you think that issue will ever be fixed?

[mystic dock]

"realistic" * shows massive 25cm gaps between rails *

[cedar nymph]

finally reproduced that

by the way, this seems to be illegal curve; might be rather issue of placement(that should ban this placement), than rendering nope, this is caused by rendering

[cedar nymph]

basically, trying to find bug inside Create code

interesting; why BezierConnection.Runtime uses normalized axis, while BezierConnection.Bezierator uses non-normalized axis?

so this is caused by Create itself

IDK if this is intended, but thinking that using normalized axis would be better

[cedar nymph]

*generally length of axis = 1, but for diagnoal track, axis is like (1,0,1) so their length differs

[cedar nymph]

I think I fixed that

[vast horizon]

Can you send me a link to download the mod with fixes?

[cedar nymph]

so i'm porting these changes into 1.20.1 (mainstream is 1.21.1)

hoping every mod devs migrate to 1.21.1 so that i can discard 1.20.1

[vast horizon]

Can I have a link?

[cedar nymph]

so it's working in progress

[vast horizon]

Oke!

[rough vortex]

discarding 1.20.1 is becoming increasingly feasible

[cedar nymph]

released for 1.20.1 and 1.21.1

enable fixTrackBezierSegment config to apply the fix

[cedar nymph]

would you try out this?

[vast horizon]

I'll try it now!

[vast horizon]

Why are the rails placed on the other side?

The rail hitbox is positioned normally, but the texture is placed on the wrong side.

@cedar nymph

[supple sonnet]

uuhhhhh why is this happening?

[vast horizon]

Bug

[supple sonnet]

ah

[lethal rampart]

maybe u can try break the curving rail and reconnect 2 rail joints

[vast horizon]

👆

[wet iron]

Doesn't F3 + A do anything?

[short ginkgo]

i highly doubt it

[cedar nymph]

woo

why this

[atomic oxide]

reminds me of create unlimited

though i dont think This was even possible as it was just remove the red boundrys

[cedar nymph]

Even I didn't know this would be possible before implementing first version of this mod

lol

it's like breaking and replacing some part of Create

[vast horizon]

Nothing

[wooden osprey]

Truck

[rough vortex]

BB model?

[raven kernel]

I NEED IT!

[normal stirrup]

(｡･ω･｡)ﾉ♡ Why not add a new mode like the direct node in ANTE or RTM? It's more convenient than setting a particular angle to make a straight rail.QwQ 💦 💦 💦 (https://github.com/aphrodite281/mtr-ante)

[cedar nymph]

uwu

originally merely extension of create railway so...

haven't thought of

[mystic dock]

@cedar nymph uhhh

it is crashing in NeoForge 1.21.1

[wooden osprey]

@cedar nymph Is there any known fix for rendering issues whilst on shaders??

[cedar nymph]

If this keep happens after disabling middleTrack, it might be simply flywheel issue. Would you also trying disabling flywheel?

adapting pantograph into these curve is so hard

maybe I should add extension to PaW that does automatically set width of cantilever based on intersection with track below

at least their width can be fractional
but IDK about implementation or nodes

definitely add this extension, as their graph implementation seems to support any Vec3 graph node position

[wooden osprey]

@cedar nymph Removing Flywheel works, but then my framerate is about 5

[short ginkgo]

makes sense since it just removes a bunch of rendering optimizations

[wooden osprey]

any ideas to have rails on shaders that dont get charred?

[short ginkgo]

no

with all possible render optimizations and shaders i still only get 2 fps

[wooden osprey]

gah

[short ginkgo]

my laptop is just about good enough that i can take screenshots with shaders

[nimble relic]

@cedar nymph available on neo?

[cedar nymph]

yeah, for 1.21.1

[cedar nymph]

revisiting this

so it seems backward compatibility issue

does re-placing fix this?

i'm sorry to be so late @vast horizon @supple sonnet
does disabling fixTrackBezierSegment config again fixes this?

...reproduction succeed

enabling/disabling this option flips track (literally) holy

....gotcha (should getSecond() instead of getFirst())

I should get copilot code review or something
at least I released one that tries to fix this

[fervent fable]

Which shader are you using?

[wooden osprey]

Complimentary

Reimagined

[fervent fable]

Have you tried using this? https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/iris-flywheel-compat

Not sure if it will help but worth a try

[vast horizon]

Didn't help @cedar nymph

[cedar nymph]

aah so

fixTrackBezierSegment had bug that fliped curves

[vast horizon]

А

[cedar nymph]

would you try latest version + enabling fixTrackBezierSegment?

[vast horizon]

Yes, the rails no longer flip over.

[cedar nymph]

wow so fast

[cedar nymph]

and did that also fix this problem?

[vast horizon]

I'm already on the latest version, but the texture is still shifted.

[cedar nymph]

meaning already enabled fixTrackBezierSegment then rejoin the world?

[vast horizon]

I re-entered the world, and the texture returned to normal. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

[cedar nymph]

FINALLY

holy Create

I can't believe I already found two bugs and fixed inside what's called 'BezierConnection' of Create

fixTrackBezierAssymetry fixTrackBezierSegments

[cedar nymph]

[vast horizon]

I'll go on looking for bugs, if I find any, get ready.

[cedar nymph]

then working on this

initially thought of requesting to their PaW server
but fixing by myself would be faster

[vast horizon]

By the way, what's going on with the embankment? Is there any progress?

[cedar nymph]

meaning roller? so quite stuck on byte layers

I could fix that in just a few hours but due to lack of interest from myself

[vast horizon]

[cedar nymph]

will get into that soon(TM)

[vast horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/train-mass-transit-moving-weird-gif-16344871

[wooden osprey]

that's what broke it

either flywheel enabled (good frames but broken textures) or flywheel disabled (fixed textures but like 10fps)

[fervent fable]

Flywheel without the mod broke it didn't it, so I was thinking perhaps the mod included some fix that might remove the lighting issue without having to disable flywheel entirely

[wooden osprey]

no this is what i was using

alr using this mod

[fervent fable]

Ok

Well anyway, there are optimization mods for rendering etc that could help

And serverside optimizations

[wooden osprey]

any suggestions?

[fervent fable]

I mean.. modernfix, memory leak fix, ixeris, radium, sodium/embeddium, clumps, I think there was a couple others but I don't remember of the top of my head

I can check tomorrow or later maybe

Oh, also particle core

[wooden osprey]

i think i have all of those

idk rendering issue only shows up when flywheel + shaders are mixed

but i kinda wanna have shaders and flywheel so i can film stuff

[fervent fable]

Either dial down the shader, reduce your settings like render distance, use leaves culling etc.. or get better hardware are your only potential options unfortunately

Or hope someday flywheel will be compatible with the shader without causing the lighting issue

[wooden osprey]

defo not a hardware issue

32GB RAM computer built for rendering blender models

[fervent fable]

I mean.. the game can be quite demanding

[wooden osprey]

it only affects curved sections of railx track

idk ill have a look if i can dial the shader back

it's only complimentary reimagined tho

[fervent fable]

Comp shader is fairly well optimized given what it can do compared to other shaders of similar intensity and quality.

But potato mode is still more intensive than say a shader only for making slightly better shadows etc. However create compatible shaders requires the shader to add their own compat afaik so there's not many shaders out there compatible with create

[wooden osprey]

boxvans

[cedar nymph]

btw, railx track 'curves' itself does not mostly have any special logic

...but have one thing suspicious

[fervent fable]

Non-collide able track parts

[cedar nymph]

aah

[wooden osprey]

yeh sorry @cedar nymph this is what I meant

[cedar nymph]

so that black ones cannot be touched (no hitbox)?

[fervent fable]

You don't collide with them

No hitbox

[fervent fable]

Honestly though I think it's better if no tracks had a hitbox for building purposes, even if the downside is having to disable flywheel. If you added a way that the user could toggle it between all having a hitbox or not having one that would be amazing.

Idk if that is possible though

[cedar nymph]

yah I was gonna implement that feature

by the way, if that black ones cannot be touched, would you trying temporaily disabling middleTrack feature?

middleTrack uses their own rendering system (custom renderer + visual + overrides some part of flywheel)

I'd check their code again

[fervent fable]

For forge 1.20.1 as well?

[cedar nymph]

yes

every feature (except for SnR compat) is backported

as omitting feature is more irritating than just backporting

when merge everytime from 1.21.1 to 1.20.1, they conflict every file modified

would you tell me flywheel version? (see mods > flywheel > version)

[cedar nymph]

what'd be preferred way to enable/disable 'no curve hitbox' mode?

keybind / item holding / ...

[wooden osprey]

yes indeed

[fervent fable]

I was thinking a config file to enable or disable makes the most sense

[vast horizon]

@cedar nymph Bro, there is a problem, in general terms, it is very difficult to build a perfect straight line at a non-standard angle. I have an idea how to fix this: you can add a visual guide by which you can find the right block for building straight lines.

[fervent fable]

Might not be the easiest way but that seems more typical than making it have a hitbox into the at time of placement to decide. What if you place 10000 tracks you want to have no/have a hitbox in your world? You'd have to pick them all up and re-place them

[fervent fable]

Can't you just place both track down then click on track a then b to connect?

[fervent fable]

@cedar nymph If you do end up doing it via an item I would say maybe while holding an iron nugget or smth easy to get but I would do it in a config file or enabling it while using a config screens mod like forge config screens or yet another config lib etc

[short ginkgo]

Such a visual guide already exists tho?
The green overlay on the ground gets more saturated on straight lines

[vast horizon]

Oh, I figured it out, sorry.

[fervent fable]

Place two tracks in different spots at the same angle then connect the tracks together by clicking on one track then the other

That's how I do it

[vast horizon]

Although if you build long straight lines, they still end up slightly curved.

[cedar nymph]

..and maximize R shown on overlay. for long enough ones, something like R=20000 or R=Infinity is sufficient

color overlay is proportional to R so...

[short ginkgo]

thats just because they have to be in full block spaces

[cedar nymph]

if long enough, that's not distinguishble with eyes

originally planned to allow offseting tracks by 0.n blocks but thought unnecessary and hard to implement

yeah lots of code assumes Vec3.atBottomCenterOf(BlockPos) as node location

[fervent fable]

If I understand correctly. then I don't think it'd be worth the effort to do that tbh. I'd imagine it'd make it incredibly difficult to do for minimal gains

[cedar nymph]

yah i also thought so

but there are a few cases where it is needed: placing extremely long curves then splitting into multiple tracks

it would be very hard to reproduce original curve

but that was (half-)mitigated by middleTrack (which renders and creates hitbox for curves whose primary track end is out of chunk)

[fervent fable]

Do you think you'll do it the config screen/file way or you more leaning towards an item or worse, a keybind? (So many mods use keybinds for things and at this rate I'm about to run out of keys. lol)

[fervent fable]

@cedar nymph Last question I promise. lol

Does railx do the same with monorail for placement?

[cedar nymph]

yah in 1.20.1

1.21.1: SnR port is unofficial so not yet supported; will support in one day(TM)

[fervent fable]

I mean.. I'll be skipping from 1.20.1 to whatever create 8 ends up being on someday

[cedar nymph]

so... flexiTrak not supported for SnR on 1.21.1

[fervent fable]

Not enough new stuff on create 7 to make jumping to 1.21.1 worth it to me

[cedar nymph]

aha

then supported on 1.20.1

[fervent fable]

Create: Train Track Rail Grinding might need to add specific compat to work with railx I'm guessing

[cedar nymph]

wow. btw curve from/to flexiTrak is just as same as curve from Create (slightly different but...)

[cedar nymph]

1. enabling/disabling by config, 2) maybe keybind but yeah I know that, thinking 🤔