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open lily Oct 20, 2022, 7:49 PM

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~~Sorry for my english, I'm using a translator~~

open wadi Oct 20, 2022, 7:59 PM

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nothing, it just works

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dont abuse the API

civic blaze Oct 20, 2022, 8:07 PM

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WWebJS run a real instance of Whatsapp Web to avoid getting blocked. Just try not to send too many messages at once max 1 per second. Otherwise, everything is quite flexible, but you shouldn't exaggerate it

severe kelp Oct 20, 2022, 8:35 PM

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before doing anything ask yourself "would a regular whatsapp user do this?" if not you're likely to get identified as a bot and banned

charred epoch Oct 20, 2022, 11:59 PM

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I got a 3 seconds delay after each text. So far i have sent 20k plus texts

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Treat it like a real Whatsapp instance

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If you got a bot to reply to someone’s text, don’t immediately reply. Wait for a second or two before responding

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Just like a real human

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And if it’s making you money look into getting api

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I am working on getting one soon

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 12:49 AM

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charred epoch I got a 3 seconds delay after each text. So far i have sent 20k plus texts

I do something like you, but never the same delay beteween messages... I add some extra stuffs:

Random "Sleep" time between 1 to 4 seconds, but in milisecs... so i get a random value between 1.000 and 4.000 to wait.
Our product is prior to ANSWER previous contacts, so 99% of the time, the our app receive the first message from the users; and only then we reply.
We use the rule 1-1-1... 1 Whatsapp number - 1 Client per instance - 1 One IP unique address. So if some numer got a ban, it will not affect others
As our bot is a "gateway" to messages, it works as a intermediate server. So when it receive a message, it will send it to the definitive server, and the server will show to the support staff, and this will take some seconds. Some msgs got answered in a few seconds, others can take a long time; so our app works as close to a real whatsapp web, but with a lot of attendants at the same time

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 12:50 AM

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I am using amocrm for customer communication and bots

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Then i did a lot of automation using this library

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That includes order processing

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And payment links

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Really like this stuff

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Don’t wanna move to official api

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Cos of 24 hr pricing limit for business initiated services

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But we have to at one point

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 12:51 AM

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My app send messages in a queue, and the queued task to send message is configured to have no parallel tasks just one. So, first i send the message, then add a random "Sleep" time, and after the sleep runs; i end the task to another get to the queue

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 12:52 AM

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jagged eagle My app send messages in a queue, and the queued task to send message is configur...

I like this idea

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What you are using for random?

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Ps: not a js guy, i learnt js just for this library

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And any suggestions on running chatbots using this code?

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With like redis stream

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To treat customer ls in conversations instead of new message

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 12:55 AM

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charred epoch What you are using for random?

const min = 1000
const max = 4000
const t = Math.floor(Math.random() * (min - max)) + max;
await sleep(t);

async sleep(ms) {
   await new Promise((resolve) => setTimeout(resolve, ms))
}

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Something like this

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 12:55 AM

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jagged eagle ```js const min = 1000 const max = 4000 const t = Math.floor(Math.random() * (mi...

Awesome thanks

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I created a function for sleep and using it in all

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Will send the snippet when i am home

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 12:56 AM

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as i am using miliseconds, there are 3.000 possible interval options. So it will make it close to a human behavior

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 12:58 AM

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charred epoch I created a function for sleep and using it in all

I like to use the my sleep with a promise, because i it turns the result asynchronous then i can await it and lock the execution flow until the sleep time ends.

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 12:59 AM

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charred epoch To treat customer ls in conversations instead of new message

@jagged eagle any idea on this?

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 12:59 AM

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i don't understand what do you mean here

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 1:00 AM

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jagged eagle i don't understand what do you mean here

Basically a chat bot

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Suppose someone sends a message

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And bot replies with welcome

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And convo proceeds

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Instead of triggering the first message again

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Basically a session servixe

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 1:01 AM

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give me some minutes

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 1:01 AM

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Anytime

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Thanks

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I got a express api setup to send messages

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 1:05 AM

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client.on('message', async (msg) => {
   if(msg.body === "Hey, can you help me!"){
      await sleepRandom();
      msg.reply('Of course i can help you');

      // Do not use then.
      sleepRandom()..then(async () => {
        msg.reply('Of course i can help you');
      })
   }

   if(msg.body === "Another option"){
     // sleep, then send, etc
   }
})

async sleepRandom() {
   const min = 1000;
   const max = 4000;
   const ms = Math.floor(Math.random()*(min-max))+max;
   await new Promise((resolve) => setTimeout(resolve, ms))
}

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Something like this code

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 1:06 AM

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jagged eagle ```js client.on('message', async (msg) => { if(msg.body === "Hey, can you hel...

It shouldn’t be msg body specific

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Something like this

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 1:06 AM

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Of course, you can send the answer option to a queued task using redis, RabbitMQ, etc...

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 1:06 AM

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Welcome to company, ple enter your name

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 1:06 AM

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charred epoch Welcome to company, ple enter your name

Second enter your city

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 1:06 AM

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the msg.body is just a single example on how to get it to answer and explain the use of sleep

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 1:07 AM

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I see

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 1:07 AM

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yeah, just like i told hyou

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get the content of the msg you receive. It is on the body
inspect the values with options you need to reply
Give some random delay before answer

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my code shows this to you

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 1:08 AM

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Will try that

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Thanks

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A lot

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 1:09 AM

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In this case, i suggest you to store the flow in some database. So you can check the last received message content and the answer you send.

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 1:09 AM

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jagged eagle In this case, i suggest you to store the flow in some database. So you can check...

Makes sense

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I am currently using dynamodb

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For storing some data

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 1:09 AM

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And you can add a TTL, Time To Live... a time to the option expires

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So you can restart the flow

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 1:09 AM

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jagged eagle And you can add a TTL, Time To Live... a time to the option expires

🫡

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 1:10 AM

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there are infinite options. You need to enumerate what you need first, then create your rules

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The example i give you is just a single exercise explaining how to use

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Look at the part i comment, DO NOT USE .then... use await

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this is an asynchronous 101 lesson

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 1:12 AM

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Here is what my crm does with whatsapp web

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I wanna do similar using code

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For some internal staff

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 1:13 AM

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when you do something like this:

// Some code before

someAsyncFunctionCall().then(etc)

// Some code after the call

You WILL NOT LOCK THE EXECUTION FLOW and your code will continue to execute... and when its done, will execute the .then

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 1:14 AM

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Will try this

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Thanks

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🙏🏻

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 1:15 AM

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But if you do something like this

// Some code before

await someAsyncFunctionCall()

// now execute the etc portion after the async done

// Some code after the call

Here YOU WILL LOCK THE EXECUTION FLOW and your code ONLY will continue to execute after the async call ends

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So, if you use the async call to the sleep func with then, and have a lot of messages... the sleep will work, but a lot of these messages will be sent with a short sleep in parallel. But with await you will be guaranteed to only continue after finishing the current sleep, JUST ONE, not 50 with short delay

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 1:18 AM

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1-5 seconds is wait is all good

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 1:18 AM

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Of course, inside the client messagelistener is not the right place to this. Here first i store the msg in a database, then run a queued job to proccess it. And is one bu one

jagged eagle Oct 21, 2022, 1:18 AM

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charred epoch 1-5 seconds is wait is all good

cool. Is fine

charred epoch Oct 21, 2022, 1:19 AM

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Lemme dig in on this weekend

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I am a system admin guy

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Starting programming earlier this year lol

rocky current Oct 21, 2022, 2:00 AM

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I'm only use dynamic random sleep duration based on text length.

open lily Oct 21, 2022, 8:10 PM

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        if (typeof content === 'string') {
            const chat = await <Client>.getChatById(chatId);
            await chat.sendStateTyping()

            const wpm = (content.split(' ').length / 90) * 60000;
            if (wpm < 25000) await chat.clearState()

            await new Promise((r) => setTimeout(r, wpm))
        }

        return this.client.sendMessage(chatId, content, options); ``` I made a way to simulate human typing, 90 words per minute (you can decrease it)

raw needle Oct 22, 2022, 2:31 PM

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Do whatsapp check ip location and mark as bot if their client is running on aws instance far away from their phone login ?

From my location and aws region its almost 900kms. So will it make any issue. There are no nearby regions awailable for me on aws.

And i cannot create different region instances manually for all client.

If this location creates any issue, is there any fix to spoof or proxy ip for each clients to show as different location on aws instance...

Please help...

jagged eagle Oct 22, 2022, 3:18 PM

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i am from Brazil and use AWS on Virginia, about 7.000Km, and of course another tel area codes

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and in 27 months, so far so good

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40 numbers and never got banned

jagged eagle Oct 22, 2022, 3:20 PM

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jagged eagle I do something like you, but never the same delay beteween messages... I add som...

of course, followinf some rules

raw needle Oct 22, 2022, 4:55 PM

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jagged eagle 40 numbers and never got banned

Awesome. Thanks for the info

rocky current Oct 22, 2022, 6:18 PM

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jagged eagle 40 numbers and never got banned

may I know cost you spend per month for those 40 numbers in AWS? I spend 20 numbers in 1 vps for 6 euro in Contabo

jagged eagle Oct 22, 2022, 6:20 PM

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Contabo sucka

jagged eagle Oct 22, 2022, 6:21 PM

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jagged eagle I do something like you, but never the same delay beteween messages... I add som...

@rocky current we use 1-1-1 Rule

See rule #3

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so in AWS was about $20 USD per number/server

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but we are using Hetzner now aid ia about $7 each

rocky current Oct 22, 2022, 6:26 PM

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I'm using 1 docker container for 1 number. You also using hetzner, I also using it for my primary endpoint.

Anyway thanks for sharing

deep haven Oct 22, 2022, 10:45 PM

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@jagged eagle and what about buttons and list messages do you use it?

jagged eagle Oct 24, 2022, 12:26 PM

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deep haven <@424705834849927168> and what about buttons and list messages do you use it?

Nope i don't use

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just send & receive messages

hasty bone Oct 31, 2022, 8:48 AM

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civic blaze WWebJS run a real instance of Whatsapp Web to avoid getting blocked. Just try no...

In terms of resources , using your statement... Can i say that Wwebjs consume quite some amount of resources

civic blaze Oct 31, 2022, 9:11 AM

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You need to restart your instance

spring thistle Apr 19, 2023, 8:25 AM

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jagged eagle and in 27 months, so far so good

Hi! I have a question how many people did you serve per month?

jagged eagle Apr 19, 2023, 9:31 AM

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spring thistle Hi! I have a question how many people did you serve per month?

It depends, our customers have different profiles

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we have customers with one number, others with 7 numbers

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Some numbers have 5 new contacta asking for support per day

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Others have 1.000 per day

spring thistle Apr 19, 2023, 9:42 AM

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jagged eagle Others have 1.000 per day

Thanks! I am dimension a bot that will potentialy serve up to 5000 contacts, always replying their messages and with a random 2 to 4 seconds message delay. Needed to know if someone did it.

jagged eagle Apr 19, 2023, 9:43 AM

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spring thistle Thanks! I am dimension a bot that will potentialy serve up to 5000 contacts, alw...

I think i did. I have customers that one number serves about 12K contacta in 3 days

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And i ran a lot of chat.fetchMessages to get the last messages on each recent chat (last 3 days)... It helps capture non-sync msgs. Example: a simple disconnect and reconnect some minutes later will have messages not captured by the lib message and message_create events... And sometimes some messages até not sync right on wwweb

spring thistle Apr 19, 2023, 9:51 AM

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jagged eagle And i ran a lot of `chat.fetchMessages` to get the last messages on each recent ...

Excelent advice, i will store action in a db with a time and date and return to the user on the timestamp asked. (Chances are that some of the users ask to be notify at the same tiem) I will test and see if many of them ask the same hours

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Becouse they will be notify 2 seconds or 500 seconds later depending on the demand of that time

jagged eagle Apr 19, 2023, 9:56 AM

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understand.

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I run in queue using redis and bull dashboard. and limit it by one task per message and ONLY one message at time because in a normal "desktop" use of whatsapp web, users do not send messages on different chats simultaneously. So i add this filter to send one message then another and another.

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And I add a custom delay of 2 to 10 seconds (and simulate typing/recording) before send

spring thistle Apr 19, 2023, 10:10 AM

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wil definitly try redis and bull dashboard complementing with agenda and mongo db. If users askk for same time appointments will escalate to a new number

spring thistle Apr 19, 2023, 10:22 AM

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jagged eagle I run in queue using redis and bull dashboard. and limit it by one task per mess...

Thnaks!

glad sundial Apr 19, 2023, 11:28 AM

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Any one suggest ,what is an ideal time between two sending message so that is not included in bulk messaging?

jagged eagle Apr 19, 2023, 11:47 AM

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glad sundial Any one suggest ,what is an ideal time between two sending message so that is no...

I add a random interval between 2 and 10 seconds before send, then each message Will take a different time

spring thistle Apr 20, 2023, 9:48 AM

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jagged eagle I run in queue using redis and bull dashboard. and limit it by one task per mess...

Hi I am thinking my case where my users ask for a message at a given time example: 10:00 am. If i can send 1 at a time every 3 seconds i can only serve 20 users at 10:00 am the rest will recive message at 10:01:03 and so on.. Did you implemented a queque that schedules the message considerating the amount in line? Example: Schedule for 9:55am because y will have 5 min of messages to process?

jagged eagle Apr 20, 2023, 9:56 AM

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Jusr schedule the start, but do bot send bulk

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Jusr one ar time

open lily Apr 20, 2023, 1:25 PM

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@jagged eagle

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speak Portuguese?

jagged eagle Apr 20, 2023, 1:42 PM

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open lily <@424705834849927168>

Yes

open lily Apr 20, 2023, 1:48 PM

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Pra mim o método mais eficiente é armazenar os eventos emitidos em uma array

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e "re-emitir" cada um deles, com um tempo aleatoriamente definido

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