Nvidia vs AMD vs Citadel

[stable crane]

citadel

amd out the question, nvidia try to push to off season

[brazen pumice]

Even if I like the AMD team way better? And like what Nvidia and AMD is doing? I could give less fucks about quant and quant stuff

[dusk prairie]

Nvidia or Citadel up to you lwk

[spark stump]

What is cit pay

[stable crane]

i mean depends on ur goals. for pure res value citadel mogs both of these, so u can use it as a launchpad to get an even better nvidia team next year

or better role at nvidia like dev tech engineer

not to mention the insane amt of bread you'd be making this summer

try to push nvidia to fall

AMD lowkey has the worst res value out of all of these but if u rlllly fw the work and don't mind the opportunity cost of ng recruiting then yeah go amd

[crimson jungle]

Amd also does fall if that's something your interested in

[vivid spire]

are you compe?

[radiant plinth]

As someone going to AMD, I recommend Citadel. If you value interesting work, Citadel will open doors to just about anywhere. Not only Nvidia and AMD, which aren't going anywhere, but more cool smaller places like Etched.

Mind if I DM? I'd love to ask about breaking into Citadel lol

[crimson jungle]

Etched glaze 🥀

[shy pecan]

i wish there were some more experienced people in this server to answer

if you take AMD, 20 years down the line it could be the case that you have a significantly better career trajectory vs if you went to citadel doing crud

but as interns/early career it's hard to have that perspective when you see the 3x comp at citadel

[shy pecan]

not saying this is necessarily the case, but if there were mid-late career people in this server they may have some thoughts on this

there is like a 1% chance they actually work at citadel for 20 years

even 5-6 is kind of a stretch

plus, most people who go to AMD make more money towards the mid-late part of their career

(if they continue at AMD, i mean and don't just job hop)

no idea lol

point stands still

i feel like nvidia/amd will not care about citadel on resume

if that is their goal

[stable crane]

Again its hard to put concrete outcomes/compare when so much can change, but the facts you know for sure right now is: citadel pays a fuck ton more, citadel has a ton more res value, and citadel opens a ton more doors. Sure, is there a possibility that you don’t get an RO from citadel, end up somewhere worse than AMD (i think theres a large gap between the two and he can get something better than amd), and would’ve been better off at amd? Yes, but highly unlikely. Ofc we cannot know for sure and yeah industry experts may have their opinion but times are constantly changing and whenever we get input from someone working 20 years we also have to consider a lot of things changed in the market (AI, biz needs, hiring priorities, tech in general etc)

[stable crane]

Even if they just intern at citadel it opens doors to amazing new grad opportunities

[shy pecan]

"amazing" is subjective

[dusk prairie]

would citadel open more doors?

[shy pecan]

in your eyes it's short term TC, but in others its going deep in a domain and having good long-term outcomes

[dusk prairie]

like for resume value after a certain point would it be negibible

[stable crane]

Ok then we just need to understand OPs priorities

[stable crane]

Dude its not just TC lmao its the fact that with citadel on ur resume u get better credibility, whereas if u go AMD rn you are siloed to what u are doing at AMD

[shy pecan]

bruh that is just not true

[dusk prairie]

like

what doors does cit open up that nvidia/amd wont

if he doesn't like quant

[stable crane]

Nvidia might, especially at a new grad level

[dusk prairie]

at all

[stable crane]

Etched, maybe ai labs/google tpu

[shy pecan]

bruh what

most people at citadel aren't doing low level GPU perf

or like

anything relevant to those roles

[stable crane]

Even if they arent

Citadel on res adds so much value

[shy pecan]

"siloed" is a strong word. i'd argue your statement is actually the opposite, at AMD/nvidia you're doing specialized stuff which is harder to get into from citadel crud

[stable crane]

Its the same reason people go to openAI

[shy pecan]

i swear nvidia/amd recs prob dont even know what citadel is

my huawei compiler exp is maybe worth more than crud citadel to them

[stable crane]

as an intern at AMD ur not doing crazy stuff brocacho 😂 u may be on a cool team but ur still doing intern work

[stable crane]

Bro ur tripping

They definitely do

[shy pecan]

i never said crazy stuff, i said specialized within some domain

[stable crane]

Even then, having citadel on ur resume proves you worked in a high pressure environment around the brightest minds. You can easily larp abt amd/what u did there, so especially for early career recruiters mainly look at where u worked not what u did there

[shy pecan]

bruh for specialized roles, early career recruiters most definitely care more about what you've done

for regular swe sure i agree

"brightest minds" would disagree there

great at math competitions and leetcode != great engineers

[stable crane]

I mean specialized roles are mainly significant if you are experienced. Also this guy said hes a swe

[shy pecan]

if your goal is to work on a gpu compiler for 20 years (or something in that area) and you get a gpu compiler role at AMD vs general citadel swe, you should definitely go to AMD

[stable crane]

Ok but im sure most people will agree that citadel has brighter minds than nvidia on average. Ofc there could be smarter nvidia folks

[stable crane]

Ofc there are edge cases, we just need to know OP’s priorities

[shy pecan]

OP said their priorities are what they would be doing at AMD/nvidia

[dusk prairie]

bro dind't op say he doesn't care for quant anything though

[stable crane]

But more likely than not citadel is probably the best outcome

[shy pecan]

yea

[shy pecan]

lol hard disagree

"best outcome" != maximize TC 5 years after grad

[stable crane]

Its not just abt quant, its abt what they want to do specifically. I think theres a case for nvidia but not amd

[stable crane]

Dude thats not the only reason

ur actually ragebaiting

[shy pecan]

there are so many cases of people doing general swe at quant companies, leaving after 2-3 years without any domain knowledge/specialized skills

[stable crane]

nvidia tuff

[dusk prairie]

then he wants to do more hardware adjecent stuff no? if he says hes intrested in both

[shy pecan]

while the guy at nvidia/amd who worked on some specialized low level stuff has deep skills in that area

[stable crane]

We don’t know that he just said work st nvidia sounds more interesting

[shy pecan]

and if that's their goal, nvidia/amd is the best option

[stable crane]

Imo nvidia has a case here

But amd doesnt

Its out the q

[shy pecan]

untrue

[stable crane]

Thats j my opinion tho

[shy pecan]

fair

[stable crane]

Nvidia and citadel’s res value is too good to pass up

[shy pecan]

again, res value in your perspective == getting into company where ng TC is highest or most prestigious

which is not true for everyone

some people care about what they work on and longer-term outcomes

[stable crane]

Dude why do u keep putting words in my mouth

Its not just TC

it can open doors to openAI or anthropic or some AI lab like xAI where they can do work they like

[vivid spire]

are you CS or engineering?

[shy pecan]

then what else do you mean by res value? i already said that citadel res value is not really relevant to specialized nvidia roles for example

[stable crane]

nvidia might be able to open doors like that

But not amd

[shy pecan]

what??

[stable crane]

As an intern they don’t take ur exp seriously only the company. U worked for

[shy pecan]

bruh that is just not true

atp i'm not the one ragebaiting

my source is me and several others who got interviews for specialized roles at nvidia wiht mid-tier company on resume but working on something extremely relevant (i know its anecdotal but i'd argue it's still a strong case)

[stable crane]

Ok i think it depends but u can’t guarantee on this

^

[stable crane]

Do u go to a top school

[shy pecan]

yes

[stable crane]

Thats why u got the interviews dawg

[shy pecan]

yeah sure but the point stands

[shy pecan]

lol that is jsut not true

[stable crane]

sure ur experience was the cherry on top

But top school helps SO much

^^^

[vivid spire]

Depending on OP's goal, I can see why AMD/NVDA is better than cit.

[shy pecan]

yeah i never said no, but it may not be relevant to their desired outcomes

my point is, in general places like nvidia (where they hire for specialized roles) care about what you've done in the past vs just spam company name

[dusk prairie]

this is true

[stable crane]

^^

i agree w this

[shy pecan]

wish there were people who graduated, say, 15 years ago on this server

would be interested to see their insight

[stable crane]

I think this is true for experienced roles but for intern and NG they value company name more

[shy pecan]

again, in my opinion, that is not true

[stable crane]

They not wasting time on discord

[shy pecan]

they're wasting time on blind instead lol

[stable crane]

Cuz intern work is not highly valued

Imo

Even at nvidia when ur on a rly cool team (had friends on cool teams) most of the time they are doing routine/basic stuff

[shy pecan]

i get you may be working on stuff that is maybe not that impactful, but the domain knowledge you acquire is super important

[stable crane]

And gotta cap for resume bulletpoints

[stable crane]

Yeah but when the prestige gap is that wide (AMD vs citadel) i’d argue prestige triumphs

[shy pecan]

a gpu compiler team at nvidia def prefers someone who worked on gpu compilers for 4 months at some random ass company vs citadel crud

[stable crane]

If its amd vs google then. Yeah sure

[dusk prairie]

wait isn't OP a junior

[stable crane]

Yeah

[shy pecan]

why?

[stable crane]

Most of the time citadel is low latency c++

[polar wing]

Why is this even a poll. Citadel no questions asked...

[shy pecan]

and my point is prestige doesn't really matter too much for these specialized roles. like prestige in terms of pure company name

i agree if it's citadel random stuff vs AMD random stuff then yes citadel is def better

[stable crane]

I get ur point but when the prestige gap is that big

[shy pecan]

but if you're doing something more relevant at AMD, it is most definitely valued more

[stable crane]

i see how OP can take nvidia over citadel

But not AMD

[crimson basalt]

citadel brotha

[crimson jungle]

Op should prolly also reach out to his citadel recruiter to see what he’s actually doing? It could literally be a very similar kind of work in GPU performance or other similar work

Which does transfer well later

[halcyon oriole]

Curious if you can push nvidia or amd to fall, ik nvidia offered me to switch to fall, but unsure since you already have offer
Also see if you can figure out what you’d be doing at cit, recruiter should be able to connect you with team

[old stump]

nvidia and amd both push to fall

try pushing

i do think you should do cit for the resume value

is your end goal graphics work?

[crimson jungle]

yeah although I don't think his point was wrong - doing crud work at a company no matter how prestigious it is isn't necessarily going to help you get non-crud work unless you have other things going for you. but I doubt OP is doing crud work at citadel given their other offers this cycle

[deft niche]

I had a friend who got Millennium and Nvidia for the same summer. NVIDIA pushed his offer to the fall. Think you should do that too

[stable crane]

Which would u do if given the option to do both

[deft niche]

not sure I understand what you are asking

I'd also try to push one offer to the fall.