.

[lyric matrix]

Congratulations! Between 2S and Google IMO. Think 2S is better.

Surprised ur Google offer is 280.. Did you nego?

[stone ermine]

go 2sig

[zinc lava]

2sig

[lyric matrix]

Also really depends on location. If u want bay, just go Google. Otherwise go 2S

[zinc lava]

2sig has good career growth and its very known in tech

[stone ermine]

they said loc doesn't matter

burning bridge at stripe takes some guts

luckily 2sig and google aren't bad fallbacks 😂

congrats on ur offers

[zinc lava]

there is no point in taking stripe at its current val over ts here

[lyric matrix]

Yeah I would never take Stripe here

[serene dune]

Yeah this is what I'm lowk worried about. Blacklist you think?

[stone ermine]

prob

it's calm tho

[lyric matrix]

I mean who cares if u get BL from Stripe

[serene dune]

I mean there are only so many top tech companies you can work at imo and burning bridges is never rlly a good move

but yeah fair point

[stone ermine]

i think this would be a very different convo if you had accepted google

that's a bridge i wouldnt want to burn

[lyric matrix]

I think WLB might be better at Google. Also btw I'd never take GCP over YouTube shorts

Google doesn't BL @stone ermine

[zinc lava]

youtube shorts insane mogs

[lyric matrix]

But pay is def better at 2S

[stone ermine]

dang actually?

i didnt know that

[lyric matrix]

Exits are relatively similar

[serene dune]

I think google doesn't blacklist on renege

[lyric matrix]

U can sit at both companies for 10 years and not look back lol

[serene dune]

Does pay scale better at 2s tho?

[stone ermine]

bro is going to be rotting us

[lyric matrix]

Think so

Google promo from L4 -> L5 is really tough apparently

[zinc lava]

dude pay at 2s scales insanely well

and it has good wlb unlike other firms

[stone ermine]

yea fade google for 2s

[zinc lava]

u def wanna take 2s here if ur considering between google and 2s, but stripe if u have the confidence for fast promos + impact

[stone ermine]

also ik u dont care abt loc but if you have no pref at all you'd prob like nyc more

[serene dune]

Any sources? Generally people say quant pay doesn't scale as well as tech

[zinc lava]

??? this is completely untrue

[serene dune]

I mean excluding HFTs like cit, optiver, jane

[lyric matrix]

Quant scales insanely well

Even mid tier firms like Akuna scale quite well

And promo quickly

(2S is not a mid tier firm)

[stone ermine]

how are exits from google from l4? i've heard they are good?

[serene dune]

Rlly? I have a few friends at firms like Millennium which is a similar hedge fund to 2sig and their comp has not grown that much lol

[zinc lava]

growth as google really depends on a lot of factors

if u care a lot about growht u should take stripe

[lyric matrix]

Google exits always good I would say

[serene dune]

Why do you think 2sig is better? a lot of my friends have said the same thing but no one gives a concrete reason lol

[lyric matrix]

Probably one of the best bigtech

[zinc lava]

Higher base, same growth

if not better growth

[stone ermine]

prestige

[zinc lava]

you'll be making more at 2 assuming no promo than google after first promo btw

and u will most likely promo at 2

also mainly 2 has good culture and good wlb

compared to other 'quant'

and is a very tech centric firm

[lyric matrix]

Prestige, pay, growth yeah

Prestige: 2S is more prestigious than Google
Pay: You already know 2S pays more than Google
Growth: Google is very bureaucratic and takes pretty long to promo. Entry (L3) -> first promo (L4) takes 2-2.5 years on average. 2S there's more ownership and you can grow faster

Only reason you'd want to take Google is you want to do specifically tech-related things, or you want to be in SF, or you want slightly better WLB. That being said, I think 2S WLB is not even that bad though.

Barrier of entry to 2Sig is also higher than Google NGL

Anyways, congrats on the offers!

[serene dune]

thanks for the long response lol! appreciate your advice

[stone ermine]

yeah ts is cracked

congrats

[serene dune]

Thanks appreciate it!

@round geode curious if you had any thoughts

@static mountain ik you turned down 2sig for startup, so do you have any advice here lol? Thanks!

[static mountain]

2s gaps the other two

My 2s offer was hgiher than that but also my startup was the same/better bc of upside

[static mountain]

Millennium is much worse

Like take intern pay

Millennium is 75/hr +5k. two sig is 95/hr+20k

[muted silo]

this is just not true

[muted silo]

neither is this

would go google here much better exits and name value 2sig growth is not it

google learning also >>

u will solve problems relevant to far more companies

[serene dune]

New grad offer for millennium is 315k and 265k recurrning (know 2 people with new grad offers for this yr), so it feels p close in terms of comp. In terms of culture+prestige, I def agree 2sig clears. Do yk about growth/upside at 2sig if you stay for a few years? Thanks again rlly appreciate it!

[serene dune]

what makes you say this this? seems contradicatory to @static mountain who actually was at two sig.

[static mountain]

Millennium only increased their ng comp by 50k/year last year

two sig exits are very good yea

I've gotten reachouts/opportunities from p much everyone

Lots of people always trying to poach

Didn't apply much but still had interviews at a bunch of ai labs, good startups, big tech, and basically every quant

[muted silo]

j look at the startups that come out of google vs two sigma (ik its not a fair comparison cause google bigger but two sigma is really lacking)

if u want to be an eng both companies can get u reachouts

but if u are everso interesting in startups/want to be a founder google is miles better

[muted silo]

u wont come up with any startup ideas working at 2s due to no exposure to the tech scene

[static mountain]

this is very true a16z, kp, greylock have talked about how thye like my 2s background

[static mountain]

2s has lots of exposure lmao

[muted silo]

bro a16z and kp said they liked my zon exp 😭

[static mountain]

a lot of recruiters told me that they think wuant ppl are better programmers than startup ppl

[static mountain]

lmaoo thats prob them capping

[muted silo]

could be possible im j saying odds of being succesful startup are prolly higher going to stripe/goog

i mean ur not doing product work in quant and most startups these days are in the product space

hard to build smth when u havent worked in it before

[static mountain]

where are u incoming

[muted silo]

cit

yeah id gladly take it over cit

[grand nexus]

fr?

[unborn cliff]

@muted silo is obviously trolling

[unborn cliff]

see:

[muted silo]

how is it troll?

how tf would u come up w a startup idea when ur day to day doesnt involve dealing with users or the product space in general

theres a reason theres basically no startups that come outta the quant space and the ones that do are all quant related

[static mountain]

wait are u gt

check dms dont want to doxx myself

[serene dune]

@static mountain check dms lol

[tall mesa]

better pay, better promo, better prestige, better location

[stoic jetty]

No way people are recommending 2s > Google

[low pilot]

why not

[muted silo]

thats what im saying

[muted silo]

long term ev on google is higher

short term is better at two sigma

[low pilot]

how so

[muted silo]

exits opps into other techj

google is on the frontier of tech in many places leading to crazy good learning and exits

[tall mesa]

the amt of teams that are acc good are p miniscule tbh

[muted silo]

two sigma career prog is not that good imo to take over top tech

[tall mesa]

g prog is even worse

[muted silo]

u can job hop fairly easily

[tall mesa]

most ppl stay L4 for an eternity

i mean u could say the same ab 2s

[muted silo]

u can but work is not the same compared to tech also google res value is better

[tall mesa]

g res value only better for tech

seems like op cares ab comp and not wlb

[muted silo]

ifl job hop tech would clear two sig

[tall mesa]

so they have no reason to exit to tech

[muted silo]

hell even google recurring is prolly higher

[muted silo]

yeah ig

[serene dune]

yeah for me its wlb<short term comp<long term opportunities<long term comp

[serene dune]

I'm fine with a long-term horizon which is why I'm also exploring startups and want to choose between 2sig/Google that would set me up for the best long term success

Idc if 2sig is higher for the first 2-3 years, but google would lead to higher comp for 4-10 years. I'd rather go Google if thats the case

Just haven't seen what 2sig comp growth/scale is actually like bc don't know people there lol

[tall mesa]

i mean mika has so i think she could tell u, but 2s growth is very likely better than g

at g a lot of ppl are just doomed to L4 and it takes forever to get to L5

and pay increase from L3->L4 is small

[serene dune]

yeah this is true

[clear orchid]

doesn't 2sig cap out at 500k

can't you get senior tech offers that are 550-620k+?

2S takes 5 yrs to hit 500k

6 years, you can hop and get an offer that's 550k+

[tall mesa]

not really

almost nobody pays that much to seniors

that's typically staff

[tall mesa]

6 years into g, you'll still be at L4 and even if u uplevel on a new job ur almost certainly not getting that much

also this doesn't take into account the year or two at 2s where you're getting paid a lot more

so also opportunity cost there

[static mountain]

yea exactly

a lot of the ppl i worked w/ were high levels or gaining levels fast (unless they were lazy and didnt try)

like i knew a surprising amt of ppl at vp level

some of them i thought were lower and then i saw on their li they were higher

[muted silo]

ye this usually staff

senior 400-500

still tho post 6ish years into ur career ur tech exp will be more valuable to other companies compared to two sig

long term much more growth u can make as a swe in the tech space

idk i might be biased more towards startups/tech scene in general tho

[clear orchid]

i think netflix, bnb, meta, uber, snow, db hit 550k+, no?

[flat moth]

is this the highest u can negotiate with Google?

[round geode]

Go Google or Stripe here

[round geode]

No, not internally

[clear orchid]

i meant external offers

[round geode]

Only netflix

Maybe airbnb

Netflix senior is high yoe requirement

[clear orchid]

im pretty sure i've seen db offers in the 600 range

[clear orchid]

if this is the case, why not got 2S here?

[round geode]

They dropped compensation recently with the different vesting

[round geode]

Two Sigma is stingy and not good work

[clear orchid]

can't you easily get 500k?

[round geode]

No LMAO

You can also get to 500k if you want at tech

Two Sigma recently has went pretty downhill culture wise

[clear orchid]

i thought 2S culture was goated

what happened

[round geode]

Not good pay

[clear orchid]

and why does no one have concrete numbers of long term salaries

i haven't seen numbers mentioned once here

[round geode]

Less people in quant, people also dont like to mention numbers much

The only public firm is optiver

@serene dune is stripe not negotiatable?

[clear orchid]

offer's alrdy signed

most likely not

[round geode]

It is not that easy to go from quant to big tech

They are mostly different skillsets as SWEs go

Name brand isnt recognized by a lot of big tech

Many also dont get the right level due to not good exp

Google chicago office is very small

If you do low latency work in quant, big tech doesnt care for that

2-3 years yes

I am talking if you stay at two sigma over 5 years

In that case just choose which city and company you like more LMAO

The money difference will be small

Yeah what I was referring to is long term like OP wants google/stripe will clear

Just choose based on city and culture if you plan to job hop

[quartz harness]

which all companies actually bl or burn bridges on ng reneg, i thought they dont care? ik google dosent really care, same for amazon

[round geode]

Smaller tech companies might

One for sure is bloomberg

[quartz harness]

im more surprised tho that google dosent care? do people just give really good excuses/reasons for renegging?

[round geode]

They are too big to care

And yes people frequently reneg

[quartz harness]

dosent the recruiter not like that? like ur specific rec

[round geode]

Just get a new recruiter

[quartz harness]

i thought they had ur profile and stuff and could put comments on it

when reneggin

[round geode]

They might put that you reneged but why would google care a few years down the line

Not worth for them to hold grudges

[serene dune]

I tried negotiating with Stripe, and they told me new grad offers for them are non-negotiable, even before I signed.

did they swap to tech bc comp was better in tech or because they j wanted new work?

[serene dune]

Do yk if Stripe cares about reneg?

[serene dune]

Stingy? They negotiated pretty happily with me and told me comp would grow by a decent chunk during 2nd year.

[stoic jetty]

don’t they all say that

idk if levels is accurate or not (probably not), but 2s is like 500k after 10 years YOE

you can get that in tech with like 7 yoe, maybe even less at places like meta even if ur internally promoting

I will say though

all of the interviewers i talked to at 2s had been there 8+ years

and all of them only had good things to say (might be biased though), and all of them mentioned the wlb as a factor that has kept them there

maybe @static mountain can give better insights

im in the process still, waiting for results

[round geode]

They are the lowest paying quant for a reason

They only negotiate because they have to to get talent from other tech companies

[round geode]

Do not know

They also tell you anything to get you to sign the offer

Still the main reason people take two sigma over tech is because of nyc and not the company itself

[stoic jetty]

Use 2sigma to negotiate google

and then take Google

You can get Google up to 290k FY

is what i would do here

[stray marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/dieter-hellstrom-дитер-хельстром-inglorious-basterds-бесславные-ублюдки-дитер-кивает-gif-17851533519782933270

[stray marsh]

Levels is insanely inaccurate

[stoic jetty]

then what’s your take

[round geode]

Would say to look at blind for more accurate TC data

[stray marsh]

U will never know without talking to a FT

And also there is so much variance in quant comp 10y down the line lol

There r swes at the same firm w that much exp that make 6 figures and make 8

Or ppl whs technical bg was swe at least

[round geode]

You can minimize the variance by just using median to consider your decisions not a huge issue

[stray marsh]

No point looking 10y down the line

is my point

[static mountain]

Name brand is very recognized

[stray marsh]

And also gl finding median

Without talking to a ft there

[static mountain]

You can work like 5 hours a day yea but they do pay well still

[stray marsh]

regardless u will probably leave in 2-3y anyway and u probably will have similar exits from google and 2s

[static mountain]

Wrong

Well maybe if ur bad idk

[stray marsh]

Maybe a bit different fields targeting google vs 2s but still

[static mountain]

but like very wrong lmao

[stray marsh]

@static mountain R u ex 2s

[static mountain]

yes

my exits after two sig was basically anywhere I wanted

everyone reached out

[round geode]

Intern exits are different

[static mountain]

I agree w that statement

[stoic jetty]

how do you know though, do the FTs just tell ur their tc or smth

[static mountain]

But ng for 1-2 is dif

[stray marsh]

How much did a few yoe get paid

[static mountain]

Yeah some of them do

[stray marsh]

If ur okay saying

Feel free to DM too

[static mountain]

Bro idk I forgot

[stray marsh]

i’m just curious

[static mountain]

I didn't gaf about remembering comp spreads

[stray marsh]

Fair lmao

[static mountain]

I j know 500k for 10 yoe is low

[stoic jetty]

i guess since it’s 5d/mo rto

you can just live in lower col

or work in the houston office if that’s an option, but I think they scale the pay to houston col

[static mountain]

nah Houston pay is the same starting

as nyc

[round geode]

Living in houston just to save some money LMAO

[static mountain]

I was shocked by that too

Most ppl ik lived in nj

[stoic jetty]

recurring is different?

[static mountain]

DM for more details if anyone is interested

[static mountain]

huh

No I talked to a Houston ng last year

It was the same as the nyc offer

For externals

[stoic jetty]

oh wow

[static mountain]

Im guessing it scales dif maybe?

Bonuses also depend on team

[stoic jetty]

live in austin and commute

[static mountain]

and personal performance obviously

[round geode]

No point thinking about minmaxing tc when you make that much money IMO

Live in NYC and live your life

[stray marsh]

Did u get intern processes

[static mountain]

wdym

[stray marsh]

Like did u recruit for intern after or new grad

[static mountain]

i had ppl reach out and be like pls interview, do you want to int for intern or ng

[stray marsh]

Oh interesting

Mainly quant i assume?

[static mountain]

More reach outs were for ng than intern

But obv anything in ng can be converted to intern

[stray marsh]

Yea that tracks

[static mountain]

Can I dm u and then u post in here ur reaction

[stray marsh]

Sure

[stray marsh]

Yea what the fuck

😭😭

mogs me

[static mountain]

is this a wtf good or a wtf bad

[stray marsh]

Wtf good

[static mountain]

ok there u go ppl two sig is a good company confirmed

[unborn cliff]

why is this obv

doesn’t grad yr matter

[static mountain]

intern easier to get than ng and u can have ur grad date change

[hidden flame]

im interested as well could you share? considering imc vs google..

[static mountain]

imc is different also you are the person who always glazes google w/ that bad tier list so just go google

[hidden flame]

Im leaning google fs but am interested in where you got reachouts...

[static mountain]

imc is dif than two sig tho

two sig has more tech recruiting clout imo bc it's been around longer which affects rep

[hidden flame]

Yeah i know its different, just out of curiosity

not to inform my decision

[tall mesa]

only flix, db, and maybe bnb and that's only externally

[forest lichen]

meta..550k…

what position is u applying for

[tall mesa]

every day for some reason ppl in cscd love comparing the absolute best possible outcomes in tech (like 500k+ as a senior lmfao) to "what if u never progressed an inch at quant and never left the firm u started at"

[forest lichen]

straight to e5 huh

[hidden flame]

Yeah i feel in many cases its relatively clear quant will outpay tech... but comes at tradeoffs you have to be OK with including WLB, fact you're not helping society much, potential different skillset within SWE (or maybe not SWE at all..) etc.

[clear orchid]

i thought senior was 400 min

[forest lichen]

what that gotta do w his point tho lol

[clear orchid]

and no one has numbers for quant

[tall mesa]

def no where are u getting this?

[clear orchid]

idk wtf quant numbers are

[forest lichen]

i mean that’s fine

[clear orchid]

blind ig

[forest lichen]

ngl what is this debate even for i just saw someone say 550k tc at meta

and hopped in t

[tall mesa]

senior is a weird term i'd just use the actual levels, L5 will almost always pay over 400

L4 won't

[forest lichen]

l5 as in starting at l3?

so sde 1 2 and senior

sounds abt right

[clear orchid]

wat r quant numbers then

[tall mesa]

at good firms it's much higher

450+ recurring as ng

[hidden flame]

well there's more than palantir or meta but yeah societal impact is weird to think about. personally i dont care about it much but many others bring it up as a reason to not go for quant

[tall mesa]

comp can scale to like 700-1M in 5 years

in 10 years most ppl make 1-2M at top firms

deadahh it's just nonsensical, average meta swe is making 10 year olds more addicted to reels

like let's be serious

[static mountain]

Yeah like don't lots of ppl in meta fail and only the best get senior fast lmao

[hidden flame]

whats considered 'top firm', IMC?

[static mountain]

Meta is pipping 25% soon right

[clear orchid]

isnt this only for firms like jane jump cit and stuff

[static mountain]

Imc is not top firm

imc is like as good as databricks

[hidden flame]

I see

[static mountain]

you can see all of the imc or databricks posts

[hidden flame]

I kinda knew this already yeah

[static mountain]

and I would pick db over google anytime so

[round geode]

Lots of quant firms like citadel and optiver cap off around 700k

1m is pretty hard

Although yes tech terminal will almost always be lower

[hidden flame]

oh wow

[static mountain]

Yeah

you know. We should really compare everyone to the startup founder who gets 1 billion net worth by 25

everyone else is a failure

[hidden flame]

oh wow, does it depend on team or all SWE standardized at quant firms? E.g these or HRT or JS

[static mountain]

amiright

[round geode]

It is team dependent but for the vast majority SWEs dont make that much money

Even at JS and HRT

[hidden flame]

Every day another reason to love Google ⭐

[round geode]

Compared to their true quant counterparts

[tall mesa]

mostly yeah but there's several smaller good firms

[round geode]

They make more than google though

[hidden flame]

even e.g principal SWE?

[round geode]

No LMAO

[tall mesa]

yes lol

[round geode]

But principal is an extreme outlier

[hidden flame]

I think i could get principal realistically.

[static mountain]

Gl man go google

[round geode]

It is possible but I think for your goals google is better in general

[static mountain]

also stop advertising ur bad Google team tier list

[hidden flame]

Yeah

[static mountain]

I see that in literally every thread 😭

[hidden flame]

i dont have any google team tier list wdym

[round geode]

For the average person though IMC will pay more

[static mountain]

my bf who worked at google roasted it like like by line when we were looking at it

[hidden flame]

Havent posted anything about it in a long time too...

[tall mesa]

whats his tier list

[static mountain]

#2026_grads message

[round geode]

His tier list is not terrible

[hidden flame]

ohh that tier list, thats not mine thats from others

[tall mesa]

no im talking ab ur bfs lol

[static mountain]

that's his wdym

[hidden flame]

and plenty of people have said a lot of it is right

[static mountain]

ohh wait i read ur message wrong

[round geode]

Quite a bit wrong though LMAO

[static mountain]

no he doesn't have like a tier list he thinks it's a lot more individual team dep too

it's not all about org

[static mountain]

yeah like why is gcp out here at the bottom that shit is useful

[hidden flame]

Well the issue is that tier list is ranked by very different criteria then most people expect

[static mountain]

ok bro

[hidden flame]

See this is just misunderstanding the list

[static mountain]

you spend like all of your time talking about how amazing google is in every decision post

[round geode]

I honestly believe he actually went out and asked engineers

[static mountain]

and now u want to go to imc?????

[round geode]

It is just the criteria is kind of shit

[tall mesa]

i mean yeah ofc i think everybody knows that, but if u had to rank orgs idt crystalize's is super inaccurate

[hidden flame]

yeah the criteria is personalized to me

because I care about very different things than others

[round geode]

How do you have 2.5 calls LMAO

[static mountain]

if it's personalized to you then why do you give it to everyone

[hidden flame]

I share it because its a data point others can choose to use or not.

[static mountain]

also why are you considering imc when you are literally the most google is the best propaganda person I've ever seen

[hidden flame]

Theres almost no other people attempting to share this type of info between teams and id like to help

[hidden flame]

i got a call but preemptively turned it down because it was YT

[static mountain]

but I mean looking at their direct team is probably more helpful

[static mountain]

What if it was a good team within yt

[round geode]

His list is a decent first glance type thing

[hidden flame]

because it does depend on Google team

Google isnt all amazing

It has terrible teams

and amazing teams

[static mountain]

what google team are you in

[hidden flame]

Well right now i have no standing match/offer lol

I had ads and then turned down

hoping for GDM/gemini

[static mountain]

huh so you're still in matching?

so you haven't signed anything

[hidden flame]

Yes

[static mountain]

do you have research papers

[round geode]

GDM is not even through team match I believe

[hidden flame]

i signed IMC/stripe already but OK with renege

[static mountain]

it can be

[tall mesa]

yeah i do think nobody wants to admit a certain org is bottom tier

[static mountain]

intern team match

[hidden flame]

theres at least 1 well known person who landed Deepmind in the googlers discord

[static mountain]

u signed two?

[round geode]

So many deepmind larpers

[static mountain]

oh ur intern right

[hidden flame]

Yes

[static mountain]

ng is so dif than intern considerations tho

Intern is mostly what work do u do

and how much prestige the company is ig

[round geode]

Prestige trumps all for intern

[hidden flame]

Yeah, thuogh for me my consideration will be the same between intern and FT i think

of course depending on economy in a few months, layoffs, etc. that could change...

[round geode]

Why not just debate stripe vs IMC

Why google vs IMC?

You are most likely not getting a call now

[hidden flame]

my priority personally is Google, if theres still a chance ill hold on

some people still getting calls

if it ends then ill debate stripe vs IMC

and renege the other

[round geode]

Are you UIUC?

[static mountain]

That's not true like Facebook dating is worse than a worse company

[static mountain]

Yeah it's March lmao

[round geode]

For future recruiting though you just want best resume value

[static mountain]

you should've gone to one of the calls that u alr got

[round geode]

Most recruiters dont care about the work

[hidden flame]

Yeah i heard its possible as well to transfer between PAs so i think i shouldve taken Ads

[static mountain]

Resume bullets matter a lot forplaces paying >300k

[round geode]

For those yeah

[static mountain]

it's not for ng

[hidden flame]

But i did polls both here in CSCD, and the Googlers discord and both voted for me to turn down Ads

[round geode]

Quant not really though

[static mountain]

yeah I agree

[round geode]

They trolled you LMAO

[static mountain]

quant j scares abt ur interview perf

[round geode]

They wanted the calls

[static mountain]

Yeah LMAO

[hidden flame]

😭 😭

im assuming most people were not malicious in theri voting

[static mountain]

You shouldve gone google ads 100%

[hidden flame]

[static mountain]

you are def not getting gdm rn it's March and do u have research papers

[round geode]

Yeah google ads is one of the best general orgs

[static mountain]

Yeah

This is well known

good talent and they make a lot of money for the company

[hidden flame]

yeah it was p high on the tier list as well

but the work was jut backend not ML and i wanted ML

[static mountain]

If u did it in the Google server where every1 is desperate for a match then why wouldn't they be malicious

[hidden flame]

and that call was a while ago so i assumed id be able to get another higher one soon...

[static mountain]

I doubt ur doing ml at imc

[hidden flame]

yeah stripe/IMC also not ML

[static mountain]

Most calls are Jan tho right

[hidden flame]

yeah its a lot less now

but still possible

this was the googlers poll

[round geode]

Oh you said backup

Ok makes a lot more sense now

Still some malicious intent in there

[hidden flame]

Yeah, its weird though since if i exclude backup then theres no reason to turn down

so either way poll kinda tainted

[muted silo]

i fw u go stripe if no google fade imc

[hidden flame]

thats reasonable yeah

[low pilot]

can someone summarize this convo

[unborn cliff]

2s > Google = Stripe

[static mountain]

i feel like google and stripe are p equal

[tall mesa]

yea agree

stripe promos are a lot better

[hidden flame]

most complicated business logic at stripe btw:
if(transaction){
personA.account -= cost
personB.account += cost
}

[unborn cliff]

Noted

[serene dune]

@hidden flame since you rlly value Google one thing I will say is that Google tends to do a bunch of "silent layoffs". Ik we are optimizing for 4-5 years down the line, comp growth, etc but also that doesn't matter if you get laid off even if you are a rlly strong engineer and through no fault of your own. I def feel like that should be a point of consideration and a downside of Google/Stripe for the future

for your case IMC does churn like crazy so might not be as big of a difference but I def think thats a pro of 2sig

[stoic jetty]

Meh

I think the risk is overblown

It’s like 5% chance vs 1-2% at 2s

Always gonna be a risk wherever you go

so might as well not factor it

[tacit ether]

I was in the same situation and went w/ Google. I got the exact Google team I wanted and my Google TC ended up being more than 2s after the recent base raise + oncall pay

2s leadership arbitration situation + decreasing NG offer in recent years made me question their future. They also had layoffs more recently than Google

*mass layoff

[static mountain]

ng offer hasnt been decreasing to my knowledge, perhaps it looks like that if you're comparing intern ro to external?

i do think if you get the google team you want you should go google just for the guarantee

esp if you havent interned at two sig so you dont know what teams you like and stuff

[tacit ether]

I think I might have been thinking about external non-negotiated. Intern RO is probably the highest

[tacit ether]

Yeah this is pretty important I don't think they've mentioned if they like the YT shorts team

[static mountain]

They rejected all of their matches

[serene dune]

I think you're talking about @hidden flame and @tacit ether is talking about me. I only rejected one team lol

[serene dune]

Tbh I'm not a huge fan of the YT shorts team because it's not doing any of the interesting algo work or infra and is just more of a full stack product feature team. But they did tell me their sister team does a lot of the algo/recommendation stuff so I could have some flexibility

I've pretty much decided what I want to do so I rlly appreciate everyone's thoughts, advice, and input. Thanks!

[unreal tangle]

@serene dune what did u end up deciding?

[hidden flame]

Yeah thats a good consideration. im thinking/hoping its mostly performance based and chances of getting rng fired are low

[zealous flint]

google or stripe

[glad tapir]

unless it's a qd/qr role at a good company being a swe at quant is honestly really boring & not much growth

i'd choose google > 2s = stripe

[dense scaffold]

@serene dune are you undergrad ng? or masters?