.

[grim badge]

what non ap tesla team pays 300k?

[timber egret]

Does tesla pay that high for new grad??

[floral arrow]

is Tesla a return offer and is that for p2?

that's elite comp for tesla

[eternal tundra]

Can i dm, have an offer for one of these options

[floral arrow]

worked at tesla and would recommend against it even tho ur comp is good

[red sky]

Bro said chill work environment

[subtle acorn]

not all teams, my team was chill and a bunch of other teams my friends interned at were chill

vehicle firmware and ap the really bad ones but most are fine

[elfin yacht]

why is base so low for hedge fund

[untold bay]

insane tesla comp

[peak hamlet]

is tesla energy at the palo alto office?

[fresh falcon]

tesla is tarded

youll be at elons whims esp if youre AP

go hedge fund

most tesla talent is leaving

[stone compass]

Leaving for SpaceX that is, and that juicy IPO

[lethal wing]

Dont trust the poll here

The hedge fund will not have better wlb than a chill tesla team

The tesla team will also pay more long term

Go Tesla

[still grotto]

tesla paying 300k ng is insane

[eternal tundra]

U think so?

is it cuz of promos?

[lethal wing]

Yes

Hedge funds also dont scale compensation well long term

Prop shops are much better at that

[long scroll]

My impression is in general quant firms dont even scale that well? Might as well just do a startup or stick in tech long term with RSUs at that point...

[lethal wing]

Some do

The top ones like Jane Street and HRT do well

If you want big TC like 2m then yes startup is better

[long scroll]

I thought for jane street it mostly stops at around 1M in a couple years

[lethal wing]

Around 800k it stops

[long scroll]

oh wow

[lethal wing]

Most tech does not come that close though

[long scroll]

Hmm i guess so

With stock appreciation it could approach though is my impression...

• refreshers etc. at very high levels

[lethal wing]

Yes it can apporach

But the early stages of compounding are unbeatable

If you care about exits though it is hands down tech

[long scroll]

exits meaning?

[lethal wing]

Into startups or another companies

[long scroll]

like startip getting acquired?

[lethal wing]

Quant exits are pretty bleak

[long scroll]

Why do people even do it then. e.g you do quant trading at some firm then get fired after 2 years then bleak exit

whats the point

[lethal wing]

Most dont get fired

The money is very good you can retire in 15 years if swe and less if trader

[long scroll]

or quant swe or QR as well but id guess those are at least a bit more transferable maybe

[lethal wing]

For the money and retire early

Quant draws the people ore are middly ambitious in life

Ones who dont want to live a very very good life but not create something of their own

[long scroll]

but how common even is it to last 15 years

on linkedin etc. it seems vast majority of people are only there for a couple of years

[lethal wing]

Quant is still a young industry

As a SWE though it is not really hard to do

Even if you look in tech vast majority are recent

[long scroll]

i see

[lethal wing]

Both industries though you will live the same lifestyle

Pick what you find more interesting

[long scroll]

Yeah for this reason i was leaning to take Google instead of my IMC offer.

I did not see much value..

[lethal wing]

Many people take tech over IMC/2s

[long scroll]

Seems quant is the biggest scam in recent tech history.

honeypot effect etc.

[lethal wing]

Why LMFAO

[long scroll]

lure 'top talent' in with high initial salaries and usually more hours, when life doesnt become materially different than tech people coasting

[lethal wing]

Yes this is true of quant

They do honeypot with the high first year tc

[long scroll]

particularly with some stock changes it could be similar near the end, at worst maybe few years diff

[lethal wing]

If you have the same person yes they end at the same place

Quant reduces variance though tech makes it higher

Tech tail end outcomes are higher and much better

[long scroll]

Though at same time I wonder how both indistries going to play out with AI in next few years. Its unclear how to make yourself seem valuable when everyone using claude code on the same few tickets...

promos etc. could get tough. If not just pure layoffs

Maybe i shouldve been a doctor all along

[lethal wing]

LMAO

Thinking about AI is a waste of time

Just keep trying to maximize the best engineer you can be

If you are a good engineer you will reap the benefits of AI

[long scroll]

i consider myself a top tier engineer yeah

But im worried if AI becomes TOO good then its like

whats the difference between Engineer A with skill 100 vs Engineer B with skill 10 if AI adds skill 10,000

if that makes sense...

[lethal wing]

AI multiplies skill

It doesnt add

It can only add if AGI with 0 human intervention

[long scroll]

*when...

[lethal wing]

What do you mean?

[long scroll]

I think AGI is imminent personally.

[long scroll]

If it gets to point where AI can design complex architecture, implement completely working code with enough robust testing then whats the input needed from engineers? Even without agi case

Which we are approaching readily

[lethal wing]

The government will have to place restrictions for this

Else it will cause widespread unemployment across all industries

[long scroll]

I dont think the government is capable of acting fast enough to mitigate this before it occurs

[lethal wing]

I personally think we are still pretty far away from true AGI being able to automate human jobs

Most companies are still mass hiring

Including the largest AI labs

[long scroll]

Yeah

But i think in just 2-3 years

Landscape will look quite different

[lethal wing]

Largest bottleneck we have is power

And costs

Will AGI be worth it

[long scroll]

Yes thats the main question

[lethal wing]

What google org

I was at google last summer

[long scroll]

Most startups right now relying on e.g anthropic or openAI I think are getting them at a discount and those AI labs are burning money. not sure how sustainable this is long term

though opensource LLMs are possible and this could be a fix

[lethal wing]

AI Labs wont let that happen because opensource doesnt create much revenue for them

[long scroll]

well its a bit of an awkward position, i had an offer for Google ads (backend not really ML) and turned down because im mostly interested in gemini/GDM or at least like search. and then turned down a YT call because its E tier team. so hopefully will get another call soon for a top tier team. otherwise ill take IMC or stripe ig

[lethal wing]

Stripe is good

[long scroll]

i mean independent groups making open source

but yeah

[long scroll]

idt it compares to google IMO

[lethal wing]

Hopefully we keep our jobs LMAO

[lethal wing]

I personally think its better than avg google

I was on gcp last summer though

[long scroll]

oh wow

[long scroll]

Well this may blemish your feelings

As its E tier team as well

[long scroll]

[lethal wing]

LMAOO yeah its not the greatest org

Very high variance

[north wigeon]

if ur goal is just money + wlb u should prob do quant

but if both satisfy your wlb/money needs then u should do what is more interesting for u

and which one is in a city that u wanna be in

[north wigeon]

re: wlb: im not sure abt millenium but p72 and shaw wlb are v v good lol

true

[eternal tundra]

Bro i just got a quant offer and ts made me feel like shit lmfao

[long scroll]

why

[eternal tundra]

everyone flaming quant

they saying shitty exits and shit

lol

[long scroll]

Well its all relative

Just depends what your priorities are tbh

If you prefer the work and want $$ then quant still better

[tawdry rock]

@inland tiger sent u a dm

[eternal tundra]

Im not particularly interested in the work, i fw prestige cuz i wanna start my own thing someday but apparently exits are trash

[long scroll]

If you want to start your own thing, I think VCs tend to like ex-quant so that could help.

i think its more about exits into other tech companies or startups, where it may be preferable to have prev tech exp.

[native scaffold]

Very dependent based on the specific HF

DE Shaw > Millennium > Tesla > P72

[tawdry rock]

@long scroll , currently debating between Google and 2sig. Curious about your thoughts since you're in a similar position. Do you feel like Big Tech will have many layoffs compared to quant firms? Are quant exits really as bad as people say? Also, don't understand how quant doesn't "grow" the same as big tech because most people don't reach staff/prinicpal anyways (but yes I understand RSU equity increase). Why do you lean Google rn?

[eternal tundra]

Damn millenium > but p72 < ?

I thought p72 > millenium

[native scaffold]

Nah

[eternal tundra]

Millenium pays less

That’s what i heard

[native scaffold]

P72 is really strong for specifically banking and quant stuff. I don't think their tech side is very strong

And they don't fo HF quant stuff, they just run strategies

[eternal tundra]

Yea like if ur on a specific pod

so p72 is only good if ur on a pod

But millenium tech generally good

[long scroll]

Hello, I cant answer most of your questions since I don't know those answers myself. I'm just relying on what others are saying. but here's my best try:
If I had to guess, big tech will have more layoffs but quant is generally known to have high turnover culture. Might lean more towards meritocracy with layoffs whereas tech can be more random
No clue about exits. It makes sense to me intuitively that a tech company would prefer ex-tech than ex-quant but who knows
My main thinking with growing is just the RSU portion. for most comparable tech companies, yeah quant likelly ends up being/nearing higher

[long scroll]

I lean google because my personal priority is to become as good an engineer as possible, and this is better at google than at IMC. I personally do not care about WLB, TC, prestige, etc. much so my decision is different from what others may do

[tawdry rock]

Thanks for the long response, appreciate it! Good luck with whatever you choose then, don't think we can rlly go wrong either way.