coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb ahhh question
#.
mint lintel
pallid forge
wouldnt even consider google unless deepmind
pallid forge
miami is prolly better than south bay ngl
p much everything except average iq of ppl in the area
if ur not from south bay then it sucks, trust me
at least miami is interesting
it is quite degenerate though
like ppl there are really superficial and vapid
lots of ppl who dont care ab anything except getting lit
but there's other quants in miami so you'd just have to find your crowd
in the south bay there's nothing to do except exercise
sonic moth
You could always try pushing one
pallid forge
yeah cit does fall and spring no? you could try asking them
or if not, just be in google tm until a google team lets you push
yeah in that case just take cit ngl
you could re-recruit at any other q firm
slim tapir
It all comes down to whether you'd prefer selling out and making the rich richer, or contributing to the best tech space in the modern world
pallid forge
cit's better
anthro held an event solely for quant ppl looking to exit
they know the talent bar is way higher
pallid forge
fade wlb in the big 26
spiral nimbus
65 hrs a week at citadel will make him quit in 2 years
and lose 4 years of lifespan
pallid forge
aura prestige and tc over everything
spiral nimbus
nobody really cares about aura though
pallid forge
nobody really cares about aura though
spiral nimbus
Avg person doesn’t even know what citadel is
Would u rather work at McDonald’s and make 1m/yr or Jane Street for 600k?
pallid forge
mcd's assuming that's the ceiling pay
pallid forge
ngl sacrifice is worth if u work on the right things at the right places
spiral nimbus
you can retire by 40 with either one of these
pallid forge
you can retire by 40 with either one of these
NOBODY is retiring at 40 at google
unless they become a quadrillion dollar company
spiral nimbus
sure ull have a couple extra M by doing citadel but do u need 6M vs 9M at 40
novel heath
pallid forge
fade this
novel heath
citadel is bad
pallid forge
lowkey they are but fade allat
spiral nimbus
NOBODY is retiring at 40 at google
Google for 4-5 years, jump to up level senior at another company and make 450-500k tc. After 8-9 yoe total, ur clearing 600-700k. Get a partner in tech, Hhi > 1m/yr
pallid forge
sure ull have a couple extra M by doing citadel but do u need 6M vs 9M at 40
6M at google assumes you promo very well which is far outside the avg at google
pallid forge
Google for 4-5 years, jump to up level senior at another company and make 450-50...
likely not getting 500k tc offer in that little time, then u have to get a high earning partner in tech which is prolly more difficult than all of this combined
novel heath
i am unbiased
spiral nimbus
likely not getting 500k tc offer in that little time, then u have to get a high ...
As long as you hit 600-700k tc by 31, you can retire at 40. Chances are your partner wil at least make 200k. Hhi still 900k.
pallid forge
As long as you hit 600-700k tc by 31, you can retire at 40. Chances are your par...
you do realize the overwhelming majority of google swes are not making that right? if we're going to go with those numbers u might asw compare to the cit swes making 2M+
spiral nimbus
Lose your prime years and reduced life expectancy from overworking and chronic stress
lyric gale
💀
novel heath
wtf
lyric gale
Lose your prime years and reduced life expectancy from overworking and chronic s...
fr
na they do lol if u there for 5+ years
spiral nimbus
you do realize the overwhelming majority of google swes are not making that righ...
You don’t need to be at google the entire years from 21-31
novel heath
not 5 years lmao
pallid forge
top swes will
pallid forge
You don’t need to be at google the entire years from 21-31
yes but even with jop hopping most ppl are not making that, you have to compare apples to apples
spiral nimbus
yes but even with jop hopping most ppl are not making that, you have to compare ...
Most people can hit L5/E5 in 5 years tho
And then another 5 to hit L6
which is already 650k
novel heath
wait this is ragebait asf
pallid forge
which is already 650k
L5 is not making 500k if internally promod, L6 not making 650k; your timelines are off
also if u have a partner ur going to have lifestyle inflation, def not going to save allat much
spiral nimbus
Sure if you want to retire 5 years earlier by putting in an extra 10-15 hours a week then citadel is better otherwise Google is not bad here
plain flare
Would go Citadel
pallid forge
it's more than 5 if we're comparing apples to apples but we can table this it's wtv
plain flare
Dont know why this is a question when you dont have team match for google yet
Just ask again when you get matched
pallid forge
Dont know why this is a question when you dont have team match for google yet
cit just mogs unless gdm so idt it matters
spiral nimbus
also if u have a partner ur going to have lifestyle inflation, def not going to ...
gonna spend 60k a year on rent alone in nyc
plain flare
What citadel org are you on?
spiral nimbus
I guess he’s Miami but yeah
plain flare
💀
spiral nimbus
ur cooked
plain flare
Good luck
pallid forge
gonna spend 60k a year on rent alone in nyc
u can easily spend 2k/mo if u want, nothing stopping u; a partner will stop u tho lmao
😭 gg, cit still mogs tho
yeah i do too lmao
spiral nimbus
Citadel y2 is gonna be like 400-450 in nyc
pallid forge
yea
plain flare
One of the worst at Citadel
Keep in mind you can get Google NG but Citadel NG is harder
spiral nimbus
Maybe just do the intern at citadel
And recruit ng
High chance u won’t get the ro anyways bc the rate is low
spiral nimbus
Pretty sure it was <50 last year
plain flare
~35 last year
pallid forge
thats prolly 7 days a week btw
spiral nimbus
and their manager gave him more work after the midpoint presentation to see how hard they could push them
plain flare
Yes
Lots of non ro Citadels are going to databricks
Sec has always been better
As an engineer
spiral nimbus
Commods
plain flare
Yes
plain flare
l3 to l4 is like 1.5 to 2
l5 is not possible pretty much LMAO
Optiver then OAI Fall
They hired more this year
I think team dependent but like 50-60
Yeah LMAO
unique kayak
am i tweaking or is 60hrs really bad
plain flare
Both same pay
spiral nimbus
am i tweaking or is 60hrs really bad
9-9 weekdays so yes
plain flare
Google was never really selective
They are a huge company they cant resume screen hard
spiral nimbus
Or 9-6 + the weekend
unique kayak
rest and vest i guess
plain flare
Talent very good they treat employees really well pay well
pallid forge
prestige is carried by a few good teams tbh and general name
plain flare
The company has also never really stagnated they are at the frontier of all tech
unique kayak
isnt that worth being glazed for lmao
plain flare
isnt that worth being glazed for lmao
at the cost of bad growth and promos
pallid forge
am i tweaking or is 60hrs really bad
it sucks yeah, i think 60+ hours is where life enjoyment falls off significantly; 70 is where it's gg and you have no life
plain flare
i would go google
unique kayak
i cant imagine going from college life where i do jackshit every day
unique kayak
to work
plain flare
isnt TDOE like SRE
pallid forge
I feel like anything above 60 hours makes no difference
having done it myself, i'd say 70; anything past 70 is basicaly the same
60 still gives u one free day
plain flare
SWE is better long term
spiral nimbus
You will be drained after 60 hrs anyways, so your free hours and rest of waking time will just be recovering from work and then doing it all again
pallid forge
You will be drained after 60 hrs anyways, so your free hours and rest of waking ...
i think this happens at 70, if you sleep and eat well you can get one free day with 60 hour weeks
unique kayak
whats tdoe growth
pallid forge
ong
unique kayak
whats tdoe growth
like 5yoe TC
unique kayak
at the cost of bad growth and promos
but their retention is pretty good right? ppl arent leaving all the time
spiral nimbus
nobody at js retiring at 30
plain flare
but their retention is pretty good right? ppl arent leaving all the time
Yes because it is the best place when you have a family
unique kayak
if low promo wouldnt ppl just leave
unique kayak
yeah i guess thats true
spiral nimbus
first hand info
unique kayak
30M
spiral nimbus
Most ppl value career less when u have kid or family or wife etc
spiral nimbus
know a guy who grinded work and promos and got stable job
unique kayak
Why tc max with a family unless monumental difference
to give them a better life
spiral nimbus
Now had a kid
Doesn’t care abt work as much
Just wants to spend as much time w family
plain flare
to give them a better life
after 400-500k you can live a good lfie
pallid forge
after 400-500k you can live a good lfie
for one person i think this is true
unique kayak
30m net wroth and aftr that its useless
plain flare
More money is marginal better quality
unique kayak
after 400-500k you can live a good lfie
nah
pallid forge
it's alright, you'll still have to be frugal in a big city
unique kayak
idts bro my shithole house in the bay is unnafordable at 500k
plain flare
700k household income is enough in the bay
unique kayak
you dont even get anything good
pallid forge
unironically this is the minimum for a decent home in the bay
spiral nimbus
maximum hhi you will ever need is 700k imo. you can get 500k of that solo in tech
pallid forge
like if ur house poor 💀
unique kayak
bro
pallid forge
maximum hhi you will ever need is 700k imo. you can get 500k of that solo in tec...
straight cap lmfao, a nice house in bay requires like 1m HHI minimum
same with nyc
spiral nimbus
straight cap lmfao, a nice house in bay requires like 1m HHI minimum
This is just not true
unique kayak
a 4 bed within 20 min of ur work is like 2.5M MINIMUM
ur gonna be house poor unless 750k+
plain flare
HHI isnt that important its more how much you invested well
spiral nimbus
Most houses are going for 1.5-2M in the bay and are nice. How many rooms do you need ?? 7???
pallid forge
This is just not true
it's like 4-5M for a nice house
plain flare
Most houses are going for 1.5-2M in the bay and are nice. How many rooms do you ...
1.5M - 2M is not good house
pallid forge
Most houses are going for 1.5-2M in the bay and are nice. How many rooms do you ...
1.5-2m will be so far from work you'll want to die in traffic every day
unique kayak
a good home is 4+
spiral nimbus
dang maybe I am not familiar
pallid forge
ydk the bay crodie
spiral nimbus
either way
unique kayak
its pretty bad
spiral nimbus
3m house doable on 1m hhi with good down payment
pallid forge
only in real estate, fade the bay 😂
unique kayak
but buying house super overrated anyway
lyric gale
either way capital one mogs all of this
unique kayak
just rent and invest the rest on some tuff shit
spiral nimbus
need to invest and save but that’s true for all jobs and houses
pallid forge
just rent and invest the rest on some tuff shit
on drizzy fosho
pallid forge
fade south bay anyways
pallid forge
pay 3m for a house only to hike all day
unique kayak
if ur house poor, yes
unique kayak
or just buy a house but elsewhere
im copping some cheap ahh in NC
its pretty tuff
spiral nimbus
If u get laid off ur cooled then
No jobs in the area will pay as much
Unless ur alr retired
unique kayak
If u get laid off ur cooled then
im tryna quickly make some passive income
so at least i can buy some bread and a tent if that happens
unique kayak
probably EV wise its less than like
spiral nimbus
No
spiral nimbus
Best way is to prob quant unless ur family already well off
pallid forge
yeah but theres plenty of trash startups that never go anywhere
unique kayak
when i get some more money ill try writing some angel checks
pallid forge
ev wise startup is not that good
pallid forge
unless ur partnered with like prev exited cracked founders or smth
unique kayak
nyc gonna bleed you dry
first u gotta buy the manhattan apt
then gotta get the daytona or at least a datejust
spiral nimbus
Jane caps at around 1m tc after 5-6 yoe for swes, unless u work more hours and perform super well
So like what? 550k after taxes in nyc
unique kayak
then gotta pay michelin star dinners for ur ig model girlfriend every night
before u know it ur broke
spiral nimbus
Spend 150-250k and save the rest of the 300-400, repeat for 10 yrs
spiral nimbus
Time in market matters way more than how much u make
spiral nimbus
100k is quite low in nyc
unique kayak
its def gonna be more than 100k
pallid forge
100k is quite low in nyc
it's easy to do without gf
unique kayak
manhattan apartments insanely tax
spiral nimbus
and 600k tc is 350 after taxes
pallid forge
like actually easy
spiral nimbus
it depends
pallid forge
its low for nyc
only if ur subsidizing ur partner or smth
spiral nimbus
I feel like if ur making 600 u should live a reasonable life
unique kayak
nah bruh if i had a girl/wife or whatveer
delicate pebble
Miami is fire
spiral nimbus
so ur dropping like 48-60k on rent a yr
plain flare
have to get a place manhattan like 7k/month
Where are you incoming LMAO
spiral nimbus
which leaves 40k for travel, food, etc
pallid forge
have to get a place manhattan like 7k/month
that's why u fade having a gf
spiral nimbus
Doable
unique kayak
Where are you incoming LMAO
depression and sadness
pallid forge
and spend like 40k/year
spiral nimbus
but ideally like 150 is most ull need ever
north merlin
.
plain flare
depression and sadness
Google is not making you rich
unique kayak
LMFAO
unique kayak
Google is not making you rich
yeah thats why
pallid forge
i mean idrc abt allat, u just have to upgrade literally every part of ur lifestyle when u have one
gets expensive real fast
unique kayak
yeah
pallid forge
i mean u can if u alone, no reason not to tbh
spiral nimbus
Especially since some of that amount is in retirement acc
but for solo it’s good enough
pallid forge
5mil is kinda mid retirement tho
if ur one person it's fine
spiral nimbus
If married or smth need like 7-8
unique kayak
its more of like laziness
plain flare
If married or smth need like 7-8
10
leaden solar
hey guys if you can give me thoughts on my situation it would be helpful, im kind of confused what to do
its the nordstrom vs oracle situation
unique kayak
10 for a comfortable retirement yeah
plain flare
hey guys if you can give me thoughts on my situation it would be helpful, im kin...
Oracle
pallid forge
like if u dont have a gf why not just live at parents house and invest the delta
unique kayak
i have decision anxiety and get overstimulated when walking into clothes stors
leaden solar
Oracle
i accepted both offers im in that situation there more information in the thread
unique kayak
if u have paid off house u dont need 20
20 mil is like a milloin a year passively at WORST
some mfs 🤚
pallid forge
pallid forge
if ur good renting it's enough yeah
unique kayak
if paid off house its easy
plain flare
You can buy a 3m house and retire with 10m lmao
spiral nimbus
bro 10 mil is 400k which after taxes is prob like 350-375
pallid forge
if paid off house its easy
big if
spiral nimbus
no way ur spending 375k/yr in the bay
unique kayak
if no housing costs u can genuinley get by with a NICE life on less than 5k a month
what about ur cybertrucks and all ur furry heads
spiral nimbus
Yeah need to send them to philips Exeter and then ivy as well
so add in another 800k of schooling for 8 yrs
unique kayak
lol my kids are being prompt engineers they dont need alphastar
they not going to harker they going to lincoln high
pallid forge
my kids going straight to the white room
unique kayak
bro lucky im mad my parents didnt make me do ts
unique kayak
they just let me to whatever and i grew up to be an idot
ik pill fake
early mental conditionting pill
id rather my kid be sam bankman fried than terry tao
way tuffer
spiral nimbus
yeah my personal number is 7-8m brokerage and then 3 mil retirement
This I feel like is doable by 40-45 yo in big texh
plain flare
This I feel like is doable by 40-45 yo in big texh
It is
slim tapir
Jane caps at around 1m tc after 5-6 yoe for swes, unless u work more hours and p...
Strongest google engineers will get more than this btw
unique kayak
yeah the top 1%
spiral nimbus
Strongest google engineers will get more than this btw
But that jane number is the avg jane
unique kayak
and they couldve gone to js in the first place
spiral nimbus
The top jane is like 1.5-2m prob
slim tapir
top google I think makes more than top jane street.
plain flare
The top jane is like 1.5-2m prob
More
unique kayak
u NOT the strongest google engineer lil bro
plain flare
top google I think makes more than top jane street.
Obviously
slim tapir
But average jane sreet likely more
plain flare
JS hasnt been good for 15 years
Hard to predict LMAO
Quant firms are not really stable
spiral nimbus
nah it’s 900-1m for Jane swe modal outcome, most ppl don’t diverge from that number with more YOE. Pretty sure jane said this themselves or an employee did I remember reading it somewhere
pallid forge
Strongest google engineers will get more than this btw
unique kayak
its also not linear wayyy harder to be top 1% at goog than like top 20 at jane
slim tapir
https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-106832773725359...
Im pretty sure its true (for SWE specifically)
plain flare
its also not linear wayyy harder to be top 1% at goog than like top 20 at jane
No
Top 20 Jane is harder
Top 1% at google is like 4k employees
unique kayak
deepming has like more than 4k employees
slim tapir
deepming has like more than 4k employees
wtf no way
pallid forge
deepmind aint allat, not every gdm team is good
spiral nimbus
Top 20 at jane will be top at google no matter what
slim tapir
deepmind aint allat, not every gdm team is good
oh wow
plain flare
Top 20 at jane will be top at google no matter what
Not true
Different skillsets
Google is a lot of speaking and selling ability
A lot of communications heavy more than technical
slim tapir
Jane street SWE favors being able to write optimized code in a dead language nobody else is using. Google SWE favors being able to propelry build distirbuted systems at scale trying to help society, while also managing relatinoships with PMs, adjacent teams, etc.
unique kayak
the path to top at google is also a lot luck based and not necesssarily nagivable
plain flare
I think pay
slim tapir
Already are but market hasnt caught up yet
plain flare
PM is more safe than SWE
slim tapir
SWE coming soon too for juniors
unique kayak
Top 1% at google is like 4k employees
this is also probably less for US employees
which are usually paid muc more
plain flare
You do realize top 20 at jane street is insane
slim tapir
All junior jobs are replaceable
plain flare
They are pulling in 100M each
unique kayak
top 20% not people
plain flare
Oh top 20%
unique kayak
💀
pallid forge
top google I think makes more than top jane street.
idk if this is even true if not counting stock appreciation
slim tapir
idk if this is even true if not counting stock appreciation
I doubt top jane street SWE making all that much
unique kayak
idk if this is even true if not counting stock appreciation
nah no way bro
pallid forge
top google ppl are all rich bc they were there when stock was like 2 raspberries
deadahh bruh
unique kayak
google SVPS probbaly make 20M tc
slim tapir
i heard a lot of people leave Jane street late career because they aren't making as much as the value theyre inputting
unique kayak
unless ur like jeff dean who makes hella
slim tapir
since Jane street i think kinda normalizes pay compared to others.
plain flare
A lot of people leave jane street because more money wont make their life better
plain flare
350
plain flare
i feel like easy to be above avg at google vs jane
Obviously
unique kayak
uhm
plain flare
Lots of quants are not that good
slim tapir
There has been some very succesful quant talent coming out of Valkyrie actually
brutal
unique kayak
no way its 350
unique kayak
ik like some guy who made staff in <5
plain flare
This is assuming no stock appreciation
slim tapir
pallid forge
mfs talking ab "wlb and gf" coming home to goon for 5 hourss and then sleep every day for 20 years:
leaden solar
dude i just need some help im feelin stressed 🤣
pallid forge
ik like some guy who made staff in <5
extreme outlier
plain flare
Good luck making even senior at google in 5 years
unique kayak
This is not the average
how hard is this really if ur actualy working
and not resting and vesting
plain flare
You can make senior in 5 years
pallid forge
still hard
unique kayak
likea lot
plain flare
Staff is basically impossible
pallid forge
ur team has to position u well
pallid forge
u have to be very good and most importantly have insane rng
slim tapir
Making senior+ quickly kinda relies on things like social skills and being conventionally attractive. So people like me would have an advantage here
unique kayak
ur exits at google staff in 5 years are gonna be insane
plain flare
Tenure requirement is a myth at most companies
unique kayak
maybe ppl want a change of pace
plain flare
maybe ppl want a change of pace
If you get staff in 5 years hardly any other company will give you staff
unique kayak
who is this crystallize mf
leaden solar
lmao please give me your thoughts it would be much appreciated
unique kayak
this guy W ragebaiter
unique kayak
W buzz word
frigid rampart
Wemby lock in for fantasy playoffs pls 🙏
unique kayak
guys im a gifted kid who burnt out 🙁
pallid forge
guys im a gifted kid who burnt out 🙁
unique kayak
i was in the accelerated program
slim tapir
i mean either its pops or AI actually becomes widespread
unique kayak
reading at a 4th grade level in 3rd grade
slim tapir
explodes was bad word choice
plain flare
i was in the accelerated program
UC Irvine 🥀
unique kayak
i burnt out in middle school
unique kayak
UC Irvine 🥀
you mean the caltech of socal?
i just got rejected from zon
luka doncic bugatti
frigid rampart
After interview?
frigid rampart
Oh
spiral nimbus
see <@476616480507691035> 500 is ridiculously unrealistic
Hm yeah Google might jut be cooked
spiral nimbus
I think Meta/roblox 400-450 prob doable with 5 yoe internally
unique kayak
im pretty sure u get cut at meta if u dont make 400k by 5yoe
spiral nimbus
if u hit ic3 in y4 at blox u get abt 390 in y5 all internally
meta it’s squarely 400
without any stock appreciation
spiral nimbus
u can prob work 40 hrs at Roblox and hit ic3 in 4 years
unique kayak
luck where are you inc
spiral nimbus
Hrt
spiral nimbus
nah im kidding
unique kayak
oh
spiral nimbus
prob pinterest or two sigma
unique kayak
whats ibm compared to zon
spiral nimbus
Pile of shit vs piece of shit
unique kayak
zon is the singlar piece?
spiral nimbus
Yes
spiral nimbus
Boomer tech
unique kayak
🤣
how can claude opus shoot basketballs and goaltend
what about ibm vs amazon tooling swe
slim tapir
I've seen better company exits from Amazon, then many 'FAANG+' companies people like here including airbnb
unique kayak
yeah but thtats prolly just cuz of how many there are
some are bound to be good
i know hella out of work prev zon too
slim tapir
i know hella out of work prev zon too
true