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[sand crystal]

Your Apple RO chance is high as you are a returning intern

brand is probably best at Apple but prestige is slightly better with meta

[umbral saffron]

Meta will stomp the poll because of NYC

[sand crystal]

you might be able to move Apple to fall

[umbral saffron]

just a fair warning

[sand crystal]

yeah i wouldnt trust the poll here

meta nyc is hard to pass up tho

[zealous flame]

is there a right decision

[umbral saffron]

Apple off season and Meta summer is the best decision if it’s allowed

that way if u don’t get meta ro or don’t like meta, u go to apple

[sand crystal]

yes, but people really want FAANG in nyc

[umbral saffron]

otherwise you’re gambling on getting a good team at meta with good wlb and work, compared to all of those things u have already at apple

Apple MLE is 300k ft no?

[zealous flame]

I will ask in an hour for off season like i will plead the apple manger

[sand crystal]

yes apple MLE is very good

meta is also not really in the AI race so

[zealous flame]

this is random yes

[umbral saffron]

yeah nobody uses llama

[zealous flame]

No 178k TC it is part of Information Systems & Technology

[umbral saffron]

hmm

[zealous flame]

not pure MLE it is part of IS&T their internal services org

[coral flare]

Meta

[umbral saffron]

go meta i think

[coral flare]

IS&T

[umbral saffron]

try apple off szn

[coral flare]

Is Horrible

[umbral saffron]

otherwise meta to try smth new

[sand crystal]

i think meta and apple off season

[zealous flame]

its gauranteed RO though?

ok yeah I will ask in an hour when I meet to push

[sand crystal]

yeah i dont think he has the full context

[coral flare]

You dont want to RO to IS&T

[zealous flame]

safety, new grad market is bad

and Meta sometimes can rescind New grad offers

i obviously wil try for Databricks

and others

[coral flare]

With meta you wont have to worry about callbacks

[sand crystal]

i think its worth keeping a decent RO tho if you can afford to do the off season then you should do it

[zealous flame]

not about callbacks but many people pass all the rounds like for Stripe this year I passed all the way till Hiring Manager but got rejected

there are unkown factors

[sand crystal]

but yeah if its IST meta is better

[coral flare]

Does off season delay grad

[zealous flame]

Also tough because I have processes with NVIDIA for Perfmrance C++ TensorRT and AI Infrastructure two separate roles (but hard to say if I will get given headcount)

[zealous flame]

No I can still graduate in May 2027

[coral flare]

Keep both then

[sand crystal]

Meta is still better

[fossil mountain]

is AAPL = cupertino?

[zealous flame]

Sunnyvale

[fossil mountain]

same loc as last yr?

[zealous flame]

really I heard nvidia mogs straight

[zealous flame]

yea

[errant granite]

“Chance of PyTorch”

Congrats on reels ads!

[sand crystal]

nah not really google == meta in the average case

nvidia is definitely better than apple ist tho

[fossil mountain]

living 3 months in NYC summer is a rare opportunity

[zealous flame]

sam and dario both love nvidia

and everyone is pushing them even further

so for AI race nvidia does mog I'd imagine

not sure how NG pay is

[zealous flame]

google has a much larger suite of products though

like 100+ products

[sand crystal]

nvidia is probably slightly better

[zealous flame]

compared to mainly 3 products meta has

[sand crystal]

for ai race

[sand crystal]

i mean

in the industries meta is in, its generally one of the top performers if not the best

meanwhile google is in many industries but is not a leader in all

[potent mural]

metas products are absolute moggers

[sand crystal]

yes

[zealous flame]

they make money on ads tho

[potent mural]

googles arent even close

to moggers

[zealous flame]

google makes 90% on ads

and has cloud + search

[zealous flame]

I see but their Workspace drive suite is widely adopted

[potent mural]

dont microsoft still mog them in that sector

[sand crystal]

i agree but msft office suite is still the leader

[zealous flame]

I see ok

is Microsoft Azure worth it also btw for intern

Microsoft pushes to fall 100%

[zealous flame]

so meta making much more on average on ads then

[potent mural]

their revenue is more clean

less costs

per dollar

[potent mural]

but yeah

[night crow]

this is just not true

? Is about the same

[zealous flame]

how? much harder or only masters/phd?

[night crow]

People I knew at Apple who stayed for years got no RO not out of performance but because of headcount restraints

Apple headcount is notoriously finicky

I interned two years ago and it was ass

Heard from friends one year ago it was ass and not to be trusted too

Congrats on Apple!

I left Apple for a different company I got a RO lmao

Intern -> intern

Intern -> fte was fried from what I’ve heard

also note: IS&T is notoriously not a great org

mle can mean anything lol

[zealous flame]

I can also maybe get MLE for Meta not sure how hard that is though?

cuz team matching hasn't happened

[night crow]

yes MLE can be any end of the spectrum in AI - although OP has a good idea since they worked and enjoyed

You’ll have to wait a year if you get a bad team to transfer

I would recommend to wait for meta team match to come through and then renege

Also MLE offers AFAIK were only super high for like Siri since they returned like a level higher

You might be able to negotiate to return a level higher if you stay at Apple (given you’ve interned multiple times) but of course not guaranteed

[sour carbon]

its pretty unlikely u get one of these teams at Meta, more likely than not you'll just get thrown on a random team that somewhat aligns with the preferences u fill out in the pref form they send out in April

but regardless meta over apple easy

regardless of NYC or not

[primal jay]

Push Apple u can push off season especially as returning intern

[night crow]

can pray wishes become true 😭

Supposedly matches are not random and they actually determine some similarity score between interns and potential managers (this is what my manager told me)

so there is some way to game it (I.e be really specific such that maybe one or two teams do said work lol)

But not sure if it’s effective in practice

I’ve been fried and blessed by the process so I cannot say for sure

[sour carbon]

Yeah could work if OP can cheese it

[night crow]

Still think OP should wait for teams than renege

Only really two cases happen: get blacklisted at Apple (but if you get a good team at meta, you’re unlikely to want to return anyways).

Other case I don’t think meta even blacklists for intern renege

(This is of course given that they cannot push Apple)

[vagrant spire]

yeah you honestly shouldn't put location in polls bc a lot of ppl will just pick whichever location they prefer

esp for nyc, every single poll that has nyc vs any other city has nyc stomp regardless of the caliber diff btwn the companies

[zealous flame]

My role isn't actually MLE

wait i have a full description of the team I just met with them give me a minute

[cloud arch]

hey my friend is also incoming apple mle and had doubts can i dm?

can people work on pytorch stuff as PE interns?

[south anvil]

dude meta stomps apple is&t

regardless of loc

in terms of work/ro chance

meta prestige also better than apple

but if u can push and do both just do that lmfao

[errant granite]

Yeah what ml IST doing lmao

[south anvil]

"connect chatgpt to excel"

business workflows lol

"sentiment analysis" chatgpt tell me what these customers think about the iphone

[vagrant spire]

i agree w/ raymond, meta is just better here

[south anvil]

does apple even nego level up for non hardware/ml position?

icic, anecdotally only know of hardware/ml ppl who have gotten the uplevel so was unsure

[zealous flame]

i will try that but unsure if they do

[ocean vigil]

for your apple offer was there a recruiter call to set it up ? or just an offer email?

[iron chasm]

Meta does not hire to fire

You have 2 years to land promo?

[silent trail]

@zealous flame did you have the first 30 mins interview?

[prime fractal]

Wait is this confirmed

I’ve only heard the opposite (they don’t push to fall unless Waterloo)

[sour carbon]

Idk if this is true I wasn’t able to

[zealous flame]

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