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[fathom wave]

Google vs Meta vs Apple vs NVIDIA vs Microsoft

[sullen fable]

I think realistically meta > Nvidia > Google > Apple >> Microsoft. Idk anything about etched so won’t rank. Just because you want to founder experience

I think meta is just good for being a founder just because culture is fast. For both Google and Nvidia I feel like with a lot teams you can coast. Apple isn’t innovating but still good. Microsoft is a coaster company. I don’t think pay should be a factor here.

Google and Nvidia are team dependent

[fathom wave]

but also is it team dependent, like if I wanna go Product vs Infra

[sullen fable]

I guess all these companies are

[fathom wave]

I'm still debating between the both

ML infrastructure and agentic systems

are my interests

but they are too broad

[sullen fable]

But with Google, if you got all these offers I don’t think adding Google to your resume would change that much

[fathom wave]

also should mention I have Apple Amazon already

[sullen fable]

Yuh probably wouldn’t do Apple again then

I think top choices are Google Nvidia, Meta

Idk about the other company

[fathom wave]

but even if Apple team is MLE intern and AI data platforms?

also like apple barely lays off so is that a good thing?

or u wont be able to learn much

[sullen fable]

Nvidia also barely lies off

[sullen fable]

I just think like since Apple isn’t innovating in ai that much and you already have the experience it wouldn’t but that much worth on your resume

Your not team matched with Google yet

So like unless you get something insane

I think Nvidia or Meta is the safest bet

Leaning towards Nvidia

[fathom wave]

i see yeah it won't help going again but for the FT offer i thought it would help

but if im anyways interesting in series B-D startups

like going back doesn't help

[fathom wave]

yeah hopefully i can lock in on interviews

[sullen fable]

But for Apple it’s all team dependent

if they don’t have hc

You won’t get the return offer

[fathom wave]

does team signal matter?

and they work across all apple so its critical work

[fathom wave]

ah i see

[sullen fable]

not really I don’t think

Recruiters will not differentiate that much

[fathom wave]

should i care about being in NYC?

meta is there so thats why it was on the list

[sullen fable]

does it matter?

I just think meta culture is good for being a founder

[fathom wave]

i mean it depends

on like how much

if its extremely better opporutnity then yeah

but only 5% better than idk if its worth

but yeah nvidia seems better

[cobalt spire]

Etched

For sure

[sullen fable]

I don’t think that matters not much benefet

[cobalt spire]

Especially if YC is the goal

I have a friend working there you’ll learn like crazy

And def get good connections for stuff like YC

[fathom wave]

i see

yeah they have connects to yc fs

[cobalt spire]

If startup and fundraising is the main goal take etched otherwise take one of the others

Depends on ur appetite for risk tolerance too

But if ur rly tryna be a founder etched is a no brainer I feel like

[fathom wave]

well my plan was to work a couple years as SWE learn a lot and then maybe go to YC

or join a early stage startup

[cobalt spire]

yeah then I would advise what I said

If u want a safer route

Then take one of the faang

[fathom wave]

but not sure how early stage, like team size of 10 for me is too small i think

[cobalt spire]

Nvidia I would say

[fathom wave]

ok yeah makes sense

[sullen fable]

Actually wtf I was looking at Etched on LinkedIn

Yuh join Etched

[cobalt spire]

Yeah they’re cracked

[sullen fable]

Etched > Nvidia I think here more risky but like you gotta be risky

[cobalt spire]

Etched is hypo tho right

So i would sign Meta or Nvidia

[sullen fable]

I mean for building your own startup I feel like you have to take a risk somehow and it’s good early experience for that

Leaning Etched > Nvidia > Google (deepmind) > Meta > Google (normal team)

[fathom wave]

meta already signed

[sullen fable]

I’m also bias cause I like Nvidia better than Google

[fathom wave]

but what if I get Pytorch compiilers team

or Superintelligence labs

[fathom wave]

yeah i see

[cobalt spire]

SI > Nvidia

But

[fathom wave]

ok so its all team dependent

[cobalt spire]

With what u said

In mind

I would still take etched

Over SI

bc the goal is to be a founder

[fathom wave]

well like founder is part of it

but im open to joining early stage startup too

idk that would be later on but earlier i wanna move fast

[sullen fable]

Safer route would probably have Etched at last

[fathom wave]

and learn a lot

i see

yeah all dependent on risk

but if i get Databricks or OpenAI new grad

i go for that?

i think MOTS (deepmind oAI antrhopic) > etched > nvidia?

[cobalt spire]

Yeah

That’s fair

[sullen fable]

Yuh

[fathom wave]

ahh okk

[cobalt spire]

U can get SI as a intern?

I didn’t know that

[fathom wave]

yeah i know few that did

[cobalt spire]

Damn

[fathom wave]

prolly very hard tho its all random

[formal hazel]

why do u think ai will cook everything

idt it will by the time u land a job

maybe by the time ur a senior swe yes

[cobalt spire]

Just pivot to PM if anything later

Or eng manager type roles

[cobalt spire]

How so

Eh

Better career progression than SWE though

Its easier to go into managerial roles

Like director VP etc

Swe to EM is valid

I still think PMs a good choice tho especially with how AI is going

[sullen fable]

Probably a easier and promoation to the next level (staff vs EM)

[cobalt spire]

It’s not way less

Swe is more but it levels out

Higher u go

That’s fair

But that’s also not necessarily true cuz PM key job is centered around human connection

And HITL related stuff

But I agree somewhat

Scary to think abt tho

In 4-5 years if this shits obsolete

😭

[fathom wave]

so u think the next 4 years jobs will still be there

like hiring a lot

i thought junior swes are cooked

like very soon

[fathom wave]

but yeah thats completely different route

[formal hazel]

google and db still hiring 1k+ interns a year

🤷‍♂️

[fathom wave]

idk maybe ur right

[formal hazel]

If swes get replaced then it means ai is good enough to do swe work

so it means ai can make apps

[fathom wave]

not replacedd

less hiring for juniors

[formal hazel]

ai can make apis well

so all jobs will get replaced

[fathom wave]

u only need one junior to operate

[cobalt spire]

Tbh the way shits going

[fathom wave]

i know its hype

[cobalt spire]

I’m more scared of the bubble popping tbh

That’s gonna cook all jobs

I feel like

[formal hazel]

Join meta or google

[fathom wave]

true

[formal hazel]

if you’re afraid of bubble popping

[fathom wave]

why not nvidia

[cobalt spire]

There’s a lot of physical jobs tho

[formal hazel]

who gonna buy all those gpusand chips once the bubble pops

I assume they will drop a lot of market cap

so the market will either crash or re-correct itself when/if the bubble pops

[cobalt spire]

Idt they’d be that safe

[formal hazel]

why

[fathom wave]

i thought apple

[formal hazel]

google uses tpus and less than 10% of their revenue is ai

[fathom wave]

would be the most safe

[formal hazel]

oh ya them too

[cobalt spire]

Yeah probably apple

[sullen fable]

Feel like Apple would be the safest though

[formal hazel]

Most every day people

don’t even like ai

They’d be happy if it was gone

[cobalt spire]

But u need the physical infra for that

That takes a while longer

[sullen fable]

Is this true? Feel like every classmate uses Ai and don’t really care

[cobalt spire]

Do u guys feel like it’s cooked if u don’t get rich in the next 2-3 years

😭

That’s how I feel w this AI shit

[sullen fable]

Yuh

[formal hazel]

Very few ppl like ai slop or ai generated content

only ppl that really like it is students bc it can do their hw

[formal hazel]

No

[cobalt spire]

Why

[formal hazel]

Companies that don’t use ai ads get so much applause, even though it’s still an ad

[cobalt spire]

Claude ads were tuff

[formal hazel]

most people don’t want ai down their throats

[cobalt spire]

Same w kalshi

Claude ads got a lot of praise

[formal hazel]

I think Google, Meta, etc will always exist and always have swes

you can’t really get rich in 2 yrs no matter what u do

so stop being so scared

[cobalt spire]

^

[formal hazel]

join non faang then

like Robinhood or Roblox or uber or smth

Literally everyone will lose their job at every company then

and the economy is fucked

so atp it doesn’t matter about life

I’ve never seen this much dooming before

even tho i doom

it’s not like this

just work ur 9-5 brochaco

ai not taking ur job for the next 5 yrs at least

[cobalt spire]

It’s cooked for students bro

[formal hazel]

bro you’re about to graduate

youre not a student anymore

[cobalt spire]

In 2 years

[formal hazel]

Switch ur major then bruh

go do premed

[fathom wave]

nah im not cooked but i need to decide

[formal hazel]

doctors won’t get replaced for another 20 yrs

[fathom wave]

if i wanna do early stage startup

whats the best move

[cobalt spire]

I’m not cooked Rn

[fathom wave]

i feel like now more than

[cobalt spire]

But future is a diff story

[fathom wave]

ever is the time to build

[formal hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-gif-16978492239797714559

[fathom wave]

everyone building 😭

[formal hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-meme-buzz-year-copy-meme-gif-4668439001950303425

[fathom wave]

nah not about dooming

but my main concern is which team / role / area do i go into, should i go into product or infra

[formal hazel]

startups suck imo unless it’s well established and or u think it’s the next big thing

[fathom wave]

and like should i start working full time or do more internships

[formal hazel]

I would join faang

[fathom wave]

so do more intern hiring?

like whats the point of doing more faangs on your resume

internships dont mean much

?

[formal hazel]

Bro

alright

3/10 ragebait

[fathom wave]

nah bruh i thought full time role always better

you will never be happy

i want the next big thing

so its a cycle continuous

so..

u will continue to do internsihps

like waterloo ppl

they have no real meaning?

compared to full time experience

at least all the SWEs ive talked too

said to start full time

what does that mean?

?

like this?

anthropic not taking avg googler on ads

they want google Core infra

teams matter i thought

so if i wanna get to MOTS

what type of work should I prioritize

ads ml yea

not like ads backend dev

so im not tryna be avg so what teams do i try for signal

[sour lotus]

tensorrt is sooo tuff

[fathom wave]

so microsoft sucks fs?

[fathom wave]

thats infra tho

idk infra teams are "prestigious" but that doesn't mean im interested in infra work

like idk

how do i figure that out

😭😭

[formal hazel]

Idk why people put flix so high

It’s prob A tier as well

A & b can prob be combined into A

Most lists are shit tho yeah

[ashen tiger]

I also want to form a start up, so i curious about your final decision ?

Which company you choose