Apple ICT2 (New grad - Austin, TX) vs LinkedIn IC2 (1yoe - Nyc) | Currently 1yr in ng role at Amex

[lime flame]

linkedin def

[outer falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/vinniepotestivo-potestivo-vinnie-linkedin-social-gif-26444735

[reef flume]

Linkedin wtf

[whole pewter]

Apparently even 270k in nyc is equivalent to 180-190k in Austin when adjusted

And Apple is more secure than linkedin

Hypothetically I can accept Apple and just grind for the first 1 year to get promoted to ict3

And stay in Austin

I’m in nyc rn and bro $ goes quick af

@lime flame @dusk granite @reef flume @outer falcon

[outer falcon]

buddy

first of all linkedin tc is a lot

where is the loc for linkedin

is it bay or nyc @whole pewter

[lime flame]

Bro Austin bro? You want to start your years there? Just save in nyc and LinkedIn benefits is fire bro… free food and shit

[whole pewter]

Nyc

[whole pewter]

At Apple?

Yea why not

🤨

[outer falcon]

yeah this is easy linkedin

[whole pewter]

I’m in nyc rn

[outer falcon]

whats ur current tc

[whole pewter]

118

[outer falcon]

ok

[whole pewter]

I’m 11months in at amex

[outer falcon]

so 250 is more than double

[whole pewter]

Yes

But u not getting it

Money goes quick in nyc

[outer falcon]

and u dont think u would have a comfortable life in nyc at 250k

[whole pewter]

270 in nyc is 190k in Austin

[outer falcon]

thats not the point

[whole pewter]

My priority is saving $

[outer falcon]

you're comfortable in both places

[whole pewter]

Yes

I’m alr comfortable

A lil comfortable

💀

[outer falcon]

you would save the same amount of money at 167 in austin and 270 in nyc

[whole pewter]

Not as much as I can/want

Hmm

[outer falcon]

actually u would save more in nyc ngl

u dont need a car

food would be free

apple has no free food and u would need a car to commute

[whole pewter]

💀

[lime flame]

Go to Austin let this dude enjoy saving and the desert

[whole pewter]

Bro nyc is not all that guys

Relax

[outer falcon]

i dont think ur gonna be saving that much in atx

but go ahead and move

if u want

[lime flame]

If you’re questioning just go to Apple bro

[outer falcon]

seems like u already made up ur mind

dont say that i didnt warn u

[lime flame]

Your values align with Apple too

Yea

[whole pewter]

Ok if they both were in nyc and pay would be the same

[outer falcon]

nvm this dude is ragebaiting us

[whole pewter]

What would u say

[lime flame]

Apple

[whole pewter]

I need wisdom

Hmmm

So Apple is better overall

[outer falcon]

i dont think apple has anything on linkedin

[whole pewter]

Doesn’t linkedin layoff

Bruh

[lime flame]

If it’s the same thing

[whole pewter]

Bro contradicting each other

Y u say apple over linkedin and y the other guy say LinkedIn over apple

[outer falcon]

tell me exactly what u would gain from apple over linkedin

or at least what u think u would gain

[whole pewter]

Name + security

[lime flame]

You said tc bro

[whole pewter]

Afaik

Yea if they both were in NYC and tc is the same

[outer falcon]

the apple name is not better than the linkedin name for swe

[whole pewter]

Apple or linkedin

[lime flame]

Nah they’re the same bro what you talking about @outer falcon

[outer falcon]

linkedin is one of the most sought after companies they barely hire and dont hire new grad

they pay way more and the benefits are insane

the promos are also way better

[lime flame]

Dude said if tc is the same and I thought promo at Apple was higher

[outer falcon]

apple has nothing on linkedin unless u genuinely are passionate about apples mission

[whole pewter]

Free food is the only benefit ?

[outer falcon]

dude its 100k pay diff

[whole pewter]

Nooo

Bro not listening

If tc is the same

And they both in NYC

[lime flame]

Also Apple is more stable

[whole pewter]

Which one

^

[lime flame]

Dude won’t worry about layoffs

Also heard LinkedIn culture is decking

Declining

Check blind

But back then I’ll definitely pick LinkedIn over Apple

Not so sure now

[outer falcon]

Is this an option for you or are u just interested in a hypothetical

[lime flame]

Hypothetical I believe^

[whole pewter]

Hypothetical

[lime flame]

Yo Austin the only problem is tc

[outer falcon]

Why are u making up hypotheticals man whats the point

[lime flame]

Not sure why Apple offer peanuts to some people 😭

[outer falcon]

Just to see whose name is better

[cloud orbit]

bro please listen

apple is not more prestige than linkedin

[whole pewter]

To see why u picking linkedin over apple

[outer falcon]

Because its the better offer

[cloud orbit]

just listen to the ppl here

[outer falcon]

Are u slow

[whole pewter]

Holy ballsacks

We still in the hypothetical

Tc is the same

[outer falcon]

No

Get out of the hypothetical man

[whole pewter]

Bro won’t do it

Ok how about wlb between both

[outer falcon]

Yes I'm not going to debate a hypothetical because its an imaginary situation

[whole pewter]

Ok fairs

[outer falcon]

That doesnt reflect ur reality

[whole pewter]

Fairs

[outer falcon]

WLB will be the same at both

[whole pewter]

How much more prestige

Is linkedin than apple

According to u

[outer falcon]

Like one tier above imo

[cloud orbit]

aren't they the same

[outer falcon]

I dont think so

[whole pewter]

Ok spartacus

Ur 1v2

Now

[outer falcon]

Linkedin is the same tier as DB, Snow, Airbnb

[cloud orbit]

what the fuck

[whole pewter]

🤨

[lime flame]

Dude you glazing LinkedIn hella hard

Back then I agree

Not anymore bro

Culture now is getting ass

LinkedIn is a mature company now

Apple there’s always room for improvement

Pick Apple bro it’s more stable

Watch you join LinkedIn and worry about its future or some shit

[outer falcon]

Yeah sure it might have more stability but I dont think Linkedin layoffs are super consistent

[lime flame]

Bro think logically the product itself is mature

And Apple is probably more layoff resistant than LinkedIn for sure

And culture is getting ass

[outer falcon]

Yeah but I wouldnt worry too much about that imo

[lime flame]

Check blind

[cloud orbit]

linkedin is still fine

[lime flame]

It depends on Austin’s goals

[cloud orbit]

for wlb

[lime flame]

If the dude wants to stay long term I’m betting Apple but if for a short while definitely LinkedIn

[whole pewter]

I’m leaning more towards Apple guys
Yea sure tc is not that good, but in 1yr I can get to ict3

Ict3 (190-210?)

Which is equivalent to the tc I’m offered for LinkedIn in nyc rn (270k)

[outer falcon]

Yeah its not 996 hellhole at all and employee benefits are top tier. Also I still the engineering bar is higher than apple as well

[whole pewter]

Yea long term

I’m alr jumping ship

From amex

[cloud orbit]

don't go apple

apple will pigeonhole u and tech stack is outdated

not good for making future career moves

• TC isn't great

just take a little bit of risk

[outer falcon]

Yeah apple is a retirement home

[cloud orbit]

for significantly higher reward

[lime flame]

Lowkey he’s right

[whole pewter]

Who is right

[cloud orbit]

it's more reward for just a little bit more risk

[lime flame]

It all depends on ur values bro

^

[cloud orbit]

sure linkedin does layoffs but it's like 200 at a time

i think that was for last layoffs

[lime flame]

How old are you bro? You want risk or stability??

[whole pewter]

Um

Maybe u guys right

[cloud orbit]

we've alrdy endured a shit economy for multiple years

at some point it will get better

[lime flame]

Bro just look at blind and see

[whole pewter]

I should risk it

Y not

I’m alr in nyc

They just tax ts outta u

• everything mad expensive

[lime flame]

Bro just follow ur gut

[whole pewter]

And sometimes I just want a car

To go the gym

[lime flame]

The difference between caliber for Apple and LinkedIn is 5-10%

In my opinion

[cloud orbit]

ye i personally dont think linkedin is same tier as bnb, snow, and DB

i would say apple and linkedin are similar

[lime flame]

Why df did this dude said airbnb 😭😭

[cloud orbit]

but linkedin provides better work/exp, isn't bad WLB, and is just a little bit more risk

airbnb is insane

[lime flame]

The shit is a ghost town

Also stocks is tanking

[cloud orbit]

it's fine

just sell airbnb stock

and buy other stock

[lime flame]

How is it insane? Tc?

[cloud orbit]

wlb + remote + engineering bar + TC

[lime flame]

That’s similar to Pinterest and Dropbox

[outer falcon]

U guys dont think Linkedin is the same tier as Bricks or Snow or Airbnb

how would u rank the 4

[lime flame]

Is Airbnb way higher tc?

[cloud orbit]

db >= bnb >= snow >> linkedin

[outer falcon]

i disagree

[cloud orbit]

airbnb has comparably high TC vs companies like Meta/Roblox

[lime flame]

What’s the tc my guy

240?

[cloud orbit]

idk just look it up

[outer falcon]

Linkedin pays more to ng than all of them

Linkedin ng is 250 recurring

[cloud orbit]

linkedin hiring bar isn't high tho

[whole pewter]

Tf

[cloud orbit]

isn't it just RNG + solve mediums

[outer falcon]

I mean they dont hire NG outside of internship conversion

They also barely hire SWE2 anymore as well

[whole pewter]

This is not a LinkedIn ng role,
It’s a 1yoe role
And range is 230-270 for nyc

[cloud orbit]

they've been releasing 1+ exp roles

[whole pewter]

^

That’s what I got

[cloud orbit]

idk i don't think linkedin hiring bar is high enough to be with the other 3

[outer falcon]

Idk lots of companies dont have a high hiring bar

Like Google and Meta is less than DB and Snow

[cloud orbit]

i think db snow and bnb have very high ones

[outer falcon]

Even the Roblox bar is not very high either

[lime flame]

I might jump ship to Airbnb but my company is already comparable just lower tc

[outer falcon]

Dont think the hiring bar should be taken into account when determining prestige tbh

[lime flame]

Regardless bro pick LinkedIn

[outer falcon]

Yeah

[lime flame]

Ooo you should def think about hiring barb

Bar

You don’t want bots or speds ruining the company

[cloud orbit]

linkedin has slower promos tho

so NG TC is balanced out

[lime flame]

I KNEW it lmaoooo

[whole pewter]

🤔

[lime flame]

Bro let op check blind

Dude seems more passionate with Apple ngl

[whole pewter]

More like Austin

[cloud orbit]

regardless bro, just perform a COL comparison using the COL index between the 2

[whole pewter]

Yea

That’s what I did

[cloud orbit]

and then think about the choices like this

linkedin is better upside with slightly more risk

apple is somewhere you're going to be staying for a long time with exp in 1 area/domain

not conducive for hopping

[whole pewter]

270 is 180-190 in Austin

[lime flame]

He can just hop after a year or 2

[cloud orbit]

did you perform the calculation

there's an index that you can use

[whole pewter]

Where

[lime flame]

Your statement isn’t too valid unless he stays there more than 3-4 years

[whole pewter]

Isn’t it bad to leave another company again

Rn I’m 11 months in at amex post grad

If I joined another and left again

In 2yr

[lime flame]

Bro it’s not bad

Who gives a fuck

[whole pewter]

Ok

[lime flame]

Companies would gladly leave you

Why not you

[cloud orbit]

look up Cost-of-Living-Index

167k in austin is 245k in NYC

[whole pewter]

What

Oh

[lime flame]

Broooo that’s hella

[whole pewter]

Yea

[cloud orbit]

linkedin is 270k, so it still wins

[lime flame]

Dude is tryna save money

[whole pewter]

^

[lime flame]

And could leave after 2 years

[whole pewter]

I can get to ict3 in 1yr

[lime flame]

Tbh I’ll pick apple if the team is comparable

[cloud orbit]

u can get ict3 in 1 yr

[lime flame]

Based on op’s values

[cloud orbit]

but in 2 yrs, you could jump somewhere better

[whole pewter]

I mean I’m open to it

[lime flame]

Apple is a strong name bro

[cloud orbit]

and land 300 to 350

[whole pewter]

Yea

Yea

True

I’m open to leaving I don’t rlly care about Apple products

[cloud orbit]

the skills you learn at apple aren't that good for hopping

[whole pewter]

As long as I do some time there

I don’t rlly care

[lime flame]

What org/ team

[whole pewter]

Is&t and some cloud software engineer role

But hm said it’s everything

Except front end ofc

[lime flame]

What about LinkedIn?

[cloud orbit]

is&t is ass

[whole pewter]

I heard

[lime flame]

Nahhhh bro pick LinkedIn

The bar for that org is sooo ass

Don’t take it

I just my mind

[whole pewter]

💀

[lime flame]

change

Pick LinkedIn

[whole pewter]

Ngl yea they asked easy af questions

[lime flame]

Bro

Pick LinkedIn

[whole pewter]

But tbh

The Recruiter for my next job not gonna care

As long as she sees Apple

[lime flame]

Broooo this guy 💀💀

[whole pewter]

🥸

[lime flame]

It’s for your good

Not theirs

If you don’t give a fuck just pick apple bro

But I change my mind I’m picking LinkedIn

[whole pewter]

Damn

[lime flame]

Your future matters more

Old tech stack, lower engineering bar, and ass wlb

It’s not worth it bro

[whole pewter]

The wlb is ass?

[lime flame]

Your org is known for ass wlb

[whole pewter]

💔

Oh hell nah

[outer falcon]

This dude has to be ragebaiting

[lime flame]

And promo is dog shit at that org

Check blind

LinkedIn >>>

[whole pewter]

Ok

[flint zealot]

Austin rent is like 1k plus utils

And there’s no state taxes

[whole pewter]

@flint zealot so what u tryna say

🤔

[flint zealot]

And your name is Austin

[whole pewter]

exactly

yuno ball

[ancient void]

did you cold apply for linkedin?

[whole pewter]

no

[nimble jacinth]

another bad take from spartacus

apple easy

[acoustic field]

@whole pewter pm

[ancient void]

I see, referral ?

[whole pewter]

rlly?

[whole pewter]

no, recruiter reached out randomly

?

no

[whole pewter]

just to put in perspective the cost of nyc ^

[acoustic field]

jesus

[outer falcon]

Dude are u trolling rn

Apple IS&T

Over Linkedin

????

[whole pewter]

recruiters dont ask what org u came from

i think he's talking about name prestige only

[outer falcon]

Good luck man

I wish u the best in life

Cuz ur gonna need it

[whole pewter]

wtf does that mean pal

dont make me find u

[cloud orbit]

idk i think bro is just farming for attention

congrats bro u landed apple and linkedin

u made it hf

make whatever decision u wanna make

[nimble jacinth]

no bro

[heady birch]

These calculations shouldn't be trusted. Look at the compensation after taxes and rent and see where to go from there

[whole pewter]

Ok then it’s sys infra

That’s what the recruiter said the range was

[whole pewter]

uh doesnt these take that into factor

[heady birch]

They will often make assumptions about home ownership and mortgages versus rental

US$230k in NYC is around US$150k post-tax. US$167k in Texas is around US$125k post-tax. Make of that what you will

[lime flame]

shit bro fuck nyc taxes

more than 50-70k down the drain

[whole pewter]

ye Austin is the move

ty all

[outer falcon]

😂

[solar roost]

@outer falcon what u taking for ng again? Blox right

[whole pewter]

U guys glorify nyc too much

U should save as much $ as possible

And the income/work ratio in doing that greatly improves in austin cuz of COL & taxes

And trust nyc was my dream at under grad, I’ve been here for a year now

It’s inconvenient to do most things

[solar roost]

But Austin tx kinda a huge downgrade for a young person

I understanding settling and starting a family

But you could not be more disconnected in your tech career which needs networking and a fulfilling environment to grow

Ur just gonna get complacent and end up average at apple

[broken salmon]

https://takehomepay.city/

here’s prolly the most accurate COL calculator ive found

Linkedin is def the move here but sounds like u wanna leave nyc

[whole pewter]

average at apple

[whole pewter]

true but the rate u save $ is exponential compared to nyc

ok linkedin looks better now bc of the calculator

idk yet

ill make a decision soon

[broken salmon]

yeah ur taking home 15k more w linkedin

that calculator also assumes ur spending 3.5k rent in nyc, u can prolly get that cost lower

Actually 4k

[whole pewter]

which company do u think has more prestige

between apple/linkedin

in swe space

[broken salmon]

prolly linkedin but its marginal

[languid wing]

@whole pewter did you get the offer yet? They should tell you if you’re going in for sys infra or gen swe

[whole pewter]

Well based off the range wouldn’t it be system infra 230-270?

It’s a 1yoe role in NYC

[languid wing]

No not really, it’s all about the job title at LinkedIn, i don’t believe there is an infra presence at all in nyc

[whole pewter]

It says applications

So regular backend right?

[gray lake]

Do you have offer for LinkedIn or is this hypothetical?

[whole pewter]

Verbal yes

[fringe mauve]

Dude sounds like u want Apple + Austin. Why are u asking here if ur not gonna budge at all

[whole pewter]

#1439139762106794094 message
I just budged buddy

It’s ok we can close the post

[fringe mauve]

good boy

[charred scroll]

yalls steaks are too juicy man

[whole pewter]

Don’t make me find you.

[fringe mauve]

Thanks for free dinner. you are rich now

[bitter musk]

linkedin

[tidal bane]

this is just end of day what you value more lol. the social aspect of nyc is definitely 10x better than anywhere else. there was always shit to do in nyc every weekend. you can go to any of your friends house in a train stop away. its kinda like being in a big ass college in manhattan.

i think if ur in ur early 20s you should be in nyc living life and having fun. you can grind later like late twenties early thirties.

i think ur alr making top 99% percentile of your age bracket

live a little

😂

[whole pewter]

I chose Apple pal

Like if this was two offers straight from graduating I would pick nyc 10/10 times bc it was my dream

But I alr been here (nyc) for a year

A lil not for me

It’s cool but I’m not opposed to leaving

So i chose to leave

[languid wing]

Apple's TC is not even close to what u get at LI tbh

if we are looking based off TC

[languid wing]

That’s the difference tho, working for yourself or working for people’s validation.

You pick lol

[languid wing]

Fulfillment is subjective and really in the eyes of the beholder. I think it depends on what you’re working on, for sure. Contributing to something like Azkaban as a maintainer or building storage infrastructure that supports over a billion users is super interesting. You keep running into new constraints and solving new problems at that scale. The same goes for the open source systems they created, like Kafka, Pinot, Samza which companies and people use across the industry. But if you are just doing basic API work or something similar you might not feel as fulfilled but then again it goes back to fulfillment being subjective and in the eyes of the beholder

[whole pewter]

who layed u off and y

how u get layed off so quick as a new grad tho

what company

what company

[whole pewter]

? @wispy sedge

[whole pewter]

bro does not wanna name the companby

[outer falcon]

You made the wrong decision bud

I believe this is the saying:

“You’ve made your bed, now lie in it”

[nimble jacinth]

so corny bro 😭

[whole pewter]

corny af

[whole pewter]

linkedin not gonna let u hit bud

[elder pivot]

I wouldnt touch IS&T with a 10 feet pole

Would you rather work optimizing things on a global scale at Linkedin infra or work on some generic internal shitty full-stack app that wouldn't have more than 1000 users at best?

[elder pivot]

This should be the question you need to ask yourself.

Also, if you reframe your goal from "saving" more $ to "making" more, you'd be better off

[brave sphinx]

It should be linkedin not apple.

[cloud orbit]

wait this guy went to is&t?

[flint jasper]

why it does it sound like this guy got apple and got rejected from linkedin final round and is now argueing with everyone that apple is better 😭

[whole pewter]

speaking as a former apple & linkedin eng right

[elder pivot]

Haven't worked at either but having known people working at both places

Linkedin might not be the greatest but is&t sure is the worst at Apple atleast. But if yoh have made your choice, you must have thought it through👍

[whole pewter]

do u think apple or linked has more prestige

[elder pivot]

In my experience, the bullet points showcasing your work ex matter more than just company name

[whole pewter]

🧢

[elder pivot]

Whatever satisfies you, man

Good luck at apple

[whole pewter]

thank you boss man

🙂

[light rain]

@whole pewter Just converting 270k to how much it is worth in other states is actually a bad way of determining how much you could actually save.

Let me give you some comparsion which might help you.

270k in NYC vs 170k in Austin

Post taxes: 170k in NYC vs 125k in Austin
Per month: 14.2k in NYC vs 10.42k in Austin

Lets say the rent + other expenses will be 4k at NYC and 1.5k in Austin

Now you will be left with 10.2k NYC vs 9k Austin.
This will be your SAVINGS.

You see that. That is the amount of money you will actually save.

The conversion saying 270k in nyc is just 170k in Austin is deceiving. Coz you dont spend your entire salary, so you cannot just convert the entire salary. You gotta convert only the amount of money you actually spend(coz only spending in different citites is different, not saving)