#DB vs IMC

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warped leaf
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this is like the 100th thread on this topic

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oh sorry that was harsh

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but i think choosing tier 2 quant vs google/meta/db is a close decision that depends on preference

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I would personally probably choose DB just because I like Bay Area more than chicago and I think it's a bit better for other tech/quant recruiting but IMC gives you more money upfront in a pretty affordable city compared to NYC/SF. It's just a matter of personal preference

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With the DB offer you'll live better off than the average person in MTV like upper middle class, but it's not like you'll be splurging

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While in chicago you'd live like a king with $350K in chicago

lofty sedge
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where do you wanna end up

warped leaf
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I think they're about the same honestly. Maybe IMC has a slight edge

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but DB is fs better for tech recruiting

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Also reasonably I haven't seen people from google/meta/db really ever struggle to get procs from tier 1 firms

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people get quant procs from Amazon/AWS

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it's like...

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once u have a big boy name on your res u can recruit for quant

lofty sedge
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friend of mine jumped from aws to 2s if that counts

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after a year

warped leaf
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yea also know someone that went from aws to radix

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and they got radix new grad

lofty sedge
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how good is radix

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never heard of them

warped leaf
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as a QD, just did SDE at AWS

warped leaf
lofty sedge
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o

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sick

warped leaf
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or like reinassance but a bit less secretive

lofty sedge
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lol

lofty sedge
warped leaf
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ngl databricks probably has more aura than IMC

lofty sedge
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true

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but whichever you choose you'll still be living very well career and lifestyle wise so

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you should go w/ whatever makes you happiest

warped leaf
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so i'd say lowkey databricks honestly

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really depends on what you want

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no decision is a wrong decision

warped leaf
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Aren’t citadel/js/hrt a lot of work lol

sharp adder
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Sounds like ur gonna job hop soon anyways so it doesn’t really matter, both have similar resume value

thorny night
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if you're a girl choose imc

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even if you're not a girl choose imc

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bay area is just full of uglies with no personalities but big egos and think their company name and tc will somehow make them a better person

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unfortunately that was my experience in college and a few tech companies i was at

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yeah

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no but i'm planning to be in either chicago or nyc

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yeah

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also i still think quant to tech is much easier than tech to quant

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based on all the people in the industry i talked to

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usually quant has a lot less people than average big tech companies

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you have to take that into account

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and compare their exit opportunities

hushed robin
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if u want to do infra just go to modal

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😉

warped leaf
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Aren’t they valued at like a little over $100 billion en

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Rn

fervent bay
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That’s an instant 50% return in your bear case

hushed robin
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where r u at @shrewd sage

hushed robin
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U can’t do this if u need sponsorship

halcyon girder
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db wtf

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is this not databricks? as in the databricks?

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im confused on your question then

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wdym "why databricks"

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databricks alone is the reason why

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it suffices on its own

copper wagon
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do yk how DB pay scales?

kind plover
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Yeah you’d make more cash at imc

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The hope is that db would take off and you’ll make more from there

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But in flat pay you would make more at imc

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DB does have the better name though and you’d get any tech proc u want tbh

copper wagon
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so its an overestimation

kind plover
copper wagon
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but i heard like

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for L4 its not 400K

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just cuz people input their L4 salaries after stock has appreciated so its an overestimation

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i was wondering if that's true or nah

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i mean ig its fair that no one rly knows tho

kind plover
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Im gonna assume that its at least 360k

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Rec at brickfest said the goal for swe 2 is to beat the meta pay band

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Since they pay the best in big tech for that level

copper wagon
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hm i see

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meta swe 2 is 300K

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from levels

kind plover
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No he’s right

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Its capped at 75k

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?

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Its actually true no bs

copper wagon
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how do yk this?

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currently tryna decide between db and imc so

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would appreciate any insights

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i talked to some dude and he said like

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unless ur top 25% at IMC there won't be a significant diff between big tech and IMC

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yeah he also said

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u cant pick ur team

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there's like a team match

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🙁

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so unfort

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ig thats true w DB asw tbf

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yea everyone and their mom wants to go there lol

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also only 19/37 SWE interns got RO at IMC last year from what i heard

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which is kinda cooked

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compared to db's RO rate

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hm

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i mean tbf

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400k-600k is a lot of money

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but yeah u could prolly reach similar amt in that time frame in tech

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w higher ceiling

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wait but wouldn't this be lower for internal promos?

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wait so

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i might jus be being slow but

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how would DB progression outscale IMC

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hm i mean ig im comparing DB vs IMC cuz im picking between those rn

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bc like

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u would be going from ~240K L3 recurring TC -> 310K at L4

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is it cuz of refreshers?

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yeah ive heard IMC is like

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450-500K for 5YOE

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and its hard to get above that

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not sure if thats accurate or not but

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im intern so i haven't gotten my team yet

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500K is tuff

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whats db senior approx?

limber pelican
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IMC is c1 of quant

copper wagon
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yeah

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deadass

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eh i mean

limber pelican
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Databricks is doing well

copper wagon
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idc abt aura

limber pelican
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On sex scary markets

copper wagon
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i jus wanna do whatever's best for me

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for long term career growth

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yeah

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makes sense

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they're probably preparing for an IPO soon

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oh deadass?

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nah im thinking about long term

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wait do u mind if i dm u?

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got a few qs

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i mean

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im just not sure about IMC's progression and how it scales

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i guess that's v team dependent

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and performance dependent

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i mean i can get quant w DB asw

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i think in terms of doors opened, DB obv clears

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i think its just

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will i make more money long-term going to DB or IMC

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hm

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but why tho

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say u go to IMC

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then jump ship to tech

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oh deadass?

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yeah

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i mean i wouldn't know lol

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im not that tapped into tech

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i didn't have any crazy prevs

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so like

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do they kick hella SWEs out tho?

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ive only heard that about traders

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not sure if its true for SWE asw

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yeah their RO rate was kinda cooked last year tho ngl

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this some elite rage baiting lol

shy dawn
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how do u know half imc teams doing shit work

copper wagon
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tbf half of the IMC teams are java p sure

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which def isn't execution

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lol

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tbf

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anecdotally

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the people i know who did get IMC are p cracked like

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i think they would've got it regardless

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of sice

shy dawn
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can't you say this about any quant firm then?

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js engineers doing bitch work too then

copper wagon
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i dont think u can generalize from one firm to another

shy dawn
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ok db teams doing slave work for other companies

copper wagon
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IMC is systematic ive heard

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its calm bro

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i dont care what this dude thinks of me

sharp adder
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You can go to tech from any company

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Idk, I’ve seen a bunch of L6+ at meta that come from consulting or random no name companies

shy dawn
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wow ur good at stats bro

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how did this guy get the offer

smoky turret
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ok wtf

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lots of ex-t1 qts go to top startups

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imc is too mid tho

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so maybe not

sharp adder
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Idk what this but big tech for sure u can get from any company

smoky turret
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joever

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someone ban

copper wagon
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imc has flatter progression tho tbf

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from what ive heard it does

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esp for SWEs

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at IMC??

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levels is not v accurate for quants

limber pelican
copper wagon
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hes swe?

smoky turret
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naur

copper wagon
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bro hes def QT

sharp adder
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This guy gets it

copper wagon
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w/ 600K in bonus

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...

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i mean

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i feel like u cant compare QT bonuses w SWE

limber pelican
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IMC gave me 1m new grad in negoed with Captial One AI Labs offer

smoky turret
copper wagon
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the 70K+ is only for Y1

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tbf

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i feel like for intern, its not as easy of a decision tho bc IMC RO was 19/37 last year

sharp adder
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Is ur db team C++

copper wagon
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wait yeah ik

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im the same position for ng

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37 swe

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intern

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sorry

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im in the same position but for intern

kind plover
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Imc had 37

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Drw has 20

copper wagon
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no

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not for swe at least

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yeah i heard 37

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and 19 got RO last summer

kind plover
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Not a very tech focused shop

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Also not a very tech focused shop

shy dawn
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how is it that so many ppl involved in these quant firm debates when they only be giving 20 offers out

sharp adder
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Oh shit u have non-compete

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Yea that’s cooked

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Take db

copper wagon
sharp adder
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Easily

kind plover
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20 cpp, 6 python

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Smth like that

shy dawn
kind plover
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Even worse 😂

copper wagon
kind plover
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Nah its for sure <30 in total

copper wagon
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bro hrt came to our career fair just to aura farm

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they did not want to be there

limber pelican
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IMC ain’t no Js

smoky turret
kind plover
smoky turret
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qt is joever outcome

kind plover
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McLean has become very attractive

sharp adder
kind plover
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Yup

warped leaf
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Lovable, Decagon, Cursor, Perplexity, and every YC company

shy dawn
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dude i'm passionate about quant finance and stealing from pension funds tho

copper wagon
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are most quants doing boring work?

warped leaf
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Ppl are more motivated by money than having an interesting career

copper wagon
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i feel like i'd rather work somewhere where i actually enjoy what i'm doing than for the bread

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hmm... this might be a dumb question but how can i know if i'll enjoy the work or not without actually doing the internship lmao

warped leaf
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Wait op which one are u going with

copper wagon
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wait nah it was more like a question lol... like how can i know if i want to do quant or not?

warped leaf
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Ngl IMC is like the Amazon of quant

copper wagon
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w troll

warped leaf
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Like not sure how u don’t go with dbx here

copper wagon
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yeah that's fair, but i don't have that strong of a resume (just like c1), so i'm not sure if taking the risk to try quant is worth the potential ev i could have by doing db

shy dawn
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c1 super intelligence labs coming in clutch

warped leaf
shy dawn
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higher ups have spoken

copper wagon
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lol

warped leaf
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I mean if it’s tier 1 sure

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But this is IMC

shy dawn
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lowkey why everyone hating on IMC. its prop + hft

warped leaf
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It’s like ok

civic pewter
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Should i take ibm or databricks

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My mom said ibm is better

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Idk databricks

sharp adder
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What is exciting about db?

warped leaf
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IMC the $350K tc isn’t even guaranteed

civic pewter
warped leaf
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Pray for no bubble

sharp adder
copper wagon
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would yall take c1 over imc?

civic pewter
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Im doing databases class rn shi is fire

sharp adder
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What’s ur team at IMC, if argue compilers/ OS work is more interesting than this

warped leaf
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Why do y’all care so much about interesting work lol

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we’re literally fucking new grads were not touching critical stuff

sharp adder
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This just cap

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No way hft doesn’t have dist systems

copper wagon
shy dawn
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hope bro gets placed on databricks front end team 🙏

sharp adder
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Yea this is cooked go db

warped leaf
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Yep yep

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I go to bed thinking of that PR I’m gonna push in cpp the next morning

shy dawn
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but db "infra" work is just aws config files no?

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all swe frauded and fake fr

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coin flip

warped leaf
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Y’all know ai can do like 99% of SWE these days anyway

sharp adder
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It’s not just pick db it’s pretty clear now

warped leaf
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We’re all glorified prompt engineers

sharp adder
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Yea we not reading all that

shy dawn
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fr increasing liquidity and what not

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by world's smartest people, ur talking about the traders? or the swes?

hushed robin
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I think before commenting here yall should say where u work / have worked

marsh trench
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I find this extremely doubtful lmao

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databricks easy

warped leaf
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Yes

hushed robin
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What are you distributing

marsh trench
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😭😭😭

hushed robin
marsh trench
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I still cannot tell if you’re joking or not

hushed robin
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it’s possible you might have some distributed work at large firms like citadel and all that but for smaller hft I find it unlikely

marsh trench
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💀

hushed robin
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I am mogged

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I’m just saying I don’t think the nature of ds work at all place like imc is what u would expect at a place like db

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like ur not horizontally scaling

hushed robin
hushed robin
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I am unemployed

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Should not take advice from me

smoky turret
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the goats are amongst the anons, anon

marsh trench
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what’s wrong with my advice wtf

fringe atlas
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@summer cosmos

hushed robin
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tf

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Google is overhyped

grim tusk
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completely normal take lol what

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it’s close but many valid arguments to take db

shy dawn
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google is the new ibm

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i have no idea

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true

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google is the new ibm

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so does ibm fr

hushed robin
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?? Is openai bad

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OpenAI also a startup that takes too long to ipo

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IMC could also see bad days

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so ur argument doesn’t hold up because they could all have bad days

shy dawn
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bro any company ur cooked in a bad period

hushed robin
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Remember when Google laid off a bunch of of people

shy dawn
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google is free

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downside tho is ur incredible talent gonna be wasted on 13 engineer team for google docs comments

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bro timing the market

hushed robin
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Oh myb didn’t realize we were on the playground

sharp adder
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700 messages in this thread

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This is the decision of all time

sharp adder
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Db easily

kind plover
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They can cancel the non compete at any point

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You could be vacationing in bali and then get the email saying the non compete has been dissolved

spice perch
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😂

hushed robin
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Just flip a coin

sand salmon
kind plover
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No clue

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Probably 50 interns in total

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Including qt and qr

lofty sedge
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@earnest kernel what'd you end up picking

rose snow
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Go to IMC you get to work with me.

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Too late.

errant halo
rose snow
rose snow
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123 Fake Street, Anytown, USA, 12345

wicked ledge
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So unserious