#All I want is a job don’t care about the visa

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obsidian saddle
orchid ledge
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didn't they say its 100k for everyone

limber breach
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I think there are some specific we are missing

static summit
junior coral
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This is just coping

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The writing is on the wall. Sooner or later they will want us to leave. Prepare for that and start applying to rival companies in other countries

austere rain
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It’s still very unclear imo

static summit
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rip startups

austere rain
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I’m pretty sure a federal judge will block this, as usual. And then it play in the courts, as usual

static summit
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tbf they don’t like anyone but the crazy rich ones

austere rain
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Yeah bro, like let us get a j*b and live here freely 🙏

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We are not entering the country with 34 convicted felony charges, held liable in civil court for SA'ing and defaming a women, held liable for commiting extensive business fraud, or stole classified documents 🙏

austere rain
crisp dome
junior coral
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this is why they repeatedly elect trump. internationals need to look into opportunities elsewhere

drowsy jungle
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so yes, Americans should always be the priority

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H1B visas can get in at the back of the line

junior coral
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and, on average, H1Bs pay way more taxes than the average American

drowsy jungle
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well if you're going to live here then yea u should pay our taxes too

junior coral
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in fact, if we are talking about public finances, the average american graduate has costed the US much more money

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because they are a net draw on the government finances while not having worked much. the average international payed full tuition rather than relying on government handouts

drowsy jungle
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The American Tech Sector shouldn't be a global jobs program. American voters are not obligated to let that happen

junior coral
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yes, like i said, plenty of americans believe that certain jobs are entitled to them by birth

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as you have made this clear

drowsy jungle
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Americans believe that they are entitled to American jobs that is correct indeed

junior coral
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dont come begging for jobs abroad when your tech companies go the way of your manufacturing companies

drowsy jungle
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you're crazy if u think i would want to live in anywhere other than America

junior coral
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i bet that's what those US steel union workers thought in the 1970s

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good luck to you

drowsy jungle
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ok lil bro. if u think the american people are going to stand by while all american companies start moving everything abroad then ur deluded

junior coral
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lol what? you know there are plenty of other companies outside america

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toyota and samsung did not need to have american factories moved abroad

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they went bankrupt on their own

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regardless, maybe your lazy ass can finally get a job. happy for you

drowsy jungle
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thank u

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as i should

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shouldn't have to compete with a foreigner anyways

static summit
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i don’t understand why people just don’t stop coming to the us

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then they will understand

frank comet
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ever since the executive order yesterday ive seen a lot of people say something other than america should be benefitting americans the most

frank comet
junior coral
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The rest have to pay more and get less returns on their portfolios

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But, you already know this

frank comet
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are you a U.S. citizen by chance

junior coral
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No? It’s obvious I’m not

frank comet
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end of argument 😂

junior coral
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Enjoy paying more in tuition and having your stocks go down. Oh right you don’t have any stocks

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You probably live in a basement

frank comet
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it would be naive for an american to listen to a non-american for what's best for america

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clearly a conflict of interest here

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youre literally your pfp

crisp dome
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this will not benefit americans more because tech companies will just offshore more jobs

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and outside of the tech industry, it's a necessity to hire talent from outside, so they will begin to crumble

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i am american btw

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our country is cooked

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our leader is a fascist

frank comet
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"making it harder for american companies to hire non-americans will not benefit americans" 🧢

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nice job bro

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i dont even like trump but this is the best thing hes done all year

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if he doesnt backpedal on it

frank comet
frank comet
crisp dome
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economy sucks because of Trump

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endless amount of tariffs that just suffocates us

crisp dome
frank comet
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jobs have BEEN getting outsourced for decades. im pretty sure 99% of americans support cracking down on H1Bs

frank comet
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american universities are pumping out tens of thousands of skilled workers every year, we do not have a skilled labor shortage

crisp dome
crisp dome
frank comet
crisp dome
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that there's no skilled labor shortage

frank comet
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how about the tens of thousand of new grads that are looking for jobs

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are they not skilled labor?

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where exactly is there a "skilled labor shortage" that we need to hire a foreigner for and not an american with an american college degree

crisp dome
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youre referring to cs job market with anecdotal experience. that's nothing to do with foreigners, that's because of AI being overvalued. in every other fields there's a labor shortage

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nursing for example has huge demand but very little supply

frank comet
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so youre saying that we need to hire H1B nurses because there are no skilled americans that are able work those positions

crisp dome
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this country is nothing without foreigners

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pushing them away is not good at all for the future of this country

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if you dont understand how right now, then youll see once they stop coming here

frank comet
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how exactly is it beneficial to americans when H1Bs are getting hired for jobs over americans that americans are completely capable of doing themselves @crisp dome

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how is a job market that doesnt prioritize americans good for americans

austere rain
twilit blade
static summit
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like a manager or experienced software or machine learning researcher

frank comet
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they should

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thats my entire point

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americans go to college and then get screwed upon graduation because nobody wants to hire them

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that proves my point further why we should ban H1Bs to incentivize hiring americans

static summit
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at those levels it’s already hard

frank comet
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H1Bs arent primarily new grad positions, but nevertheless american new grads should not be competing with the entire world for american jobs

static summit
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just a reminder most companies don’t even sponsor visas only a few do

static summit
frank comet
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visas are a part of whats making the job market bad for americans

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because tech comapnies are abusing the program

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when a company hires a foreigner off of a visa, that is a job that an american couldve gotten but they didnt

static summit
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palantir, spacex, Doesn’t even sponsor u can get them

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also roblox

frank comet
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am i wrong? are positions that get filled up with visa workers not jobs that couldve gone to americans?

static summit
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should be easy for u

frank comet
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controversial take: the american economy should hire americans before they look outwards

static summit
frank comet
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so youre ignoring the H1B visa program now?

static summit
frank comet
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bro silicon valley companies are exploiting the program

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there are economic incentives to abuse the program and import foreign labor instead of hiring americans

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its really not that complicated

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either you want whats best for american workers or you don't

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"americans should be prioritized in the american job market" is like the most basic populist take

static summit
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this only will add confusions

frank comet
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???

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giving jobs to foreigners instead of americans = bad for americans

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idk how else to explain this

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the only way this would be hard to understand is if ur not an american

static summit
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india and china are already getting ahead in this tech game and after all these confusions they will more

frank comet
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i can guarantee you that americans would not care if foreign labor stops getting imported. americans didnt even want this to begin with

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maybe american execs and ceos do but not american workers

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there is no upside to americans for foreigners taking american jobs

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the only people that believe this are the foreigners that it benefits

sonic cedar
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The only bad part about H1B is they underpay them, which needs to be fixed because it artificially makes them more competitive than American workers

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The American people might not care but your economy definitely will. This all depends on how long this goes on for, but the longer isolationist ideologies go on the bigger the effect.

frank comet
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LET ME BE CLEAR: american jobs should be HARDER for foreigners to get than it currently is

sonic cedar
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And second of all you also missed the point of outsourcing which will 100% happen

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lol

frank comet
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outsourcing is ALREADY HAPPENING buddy. if the job is outsourced or if the job is taken by a foreigner on a visa it doesn’t make a difference to an american. at least if it is harder for foreigners to get jobs on visas, the american has somewhat of a chance of getting the job

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“don’t make it harder for foreigners to get jobs on visas, because this thing that is already happening might happen” bro stfu

sonic cedar
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It does make a difference 💀💀 tax money and cost of living is a thing

sonic cedar
frank comet
frank comet
sonic cedar
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I’m not arguing with you to change your view lmfao, but you’re acting like all it can do is get better

junior coral
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If anyone propose that California companies only hire Californian graduates (of which there are millions), people immediately understand that companies like Facebook and Apple will have to settle for inferior candidates while paying more, thereby making worse products and less money for a few years before they get overtaken by competitors out of state. Californian economy suffers as a whole while a few hires benefit for a few years.

This logic applies exactly the same when you change California to America. There is no use debating with these losers.

frank comet
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making it harder for foreigners to get jobs in america is good for americans actually, it’s not an extremely difficult concept to understand

frank comet
junior coral
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^when you cant win an argument

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Lmfao

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Like I said, i am not interested in debating with you. I am simply showing others what is going on

frank comet
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“hello american, let me, a non american, tell you what is best for americans, despite the intrinsic conflict of interest in my lack of citizenship” bro you’re not convincing anybody

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now allow me to tell you what is best for whatever country you live in

junior coral
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And you don’t have conflict of interest? Clearly you are ngmi trying to get a job

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So you convince everyone that it’s better to hire you because of the virtue of your birth

frank comet
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i’m an american and i want the job market to benefit americans, so no i do not have a conflict of interest

junior coral
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It’s obvious

frank comet
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get out ➡️

junior coral
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I am leaving lol. Good luck in a couple of years competing with chinese companies

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You are going to lose your market share outside the US

frank comet
junior coral
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What you are saying is that American government should help you

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Paying more for software engineers doesn’t help anyone except those specific software engineers

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It’s obvious supply and demand

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Good luck fellas

frank comet
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“erm actually, let me explain to you why your own government should not care about the interests of its own people, and how it should care about mine 🤓🖕”

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i genuinely don’t care about your take

junior coral
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What about the interests of people paying for tech products? And the people relying on tech stocks for retirements?

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They now have to pay for ngmi engineers like this one lmfao

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Good luck

frank comet
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you’re right, the tech companies should hire you instead. then maybe, the tech products will be higher quality than ever

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🤡💩

junior coral
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If you were better quality you would have found a job already

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You are ngmi. I hope things work out for you

frank comet
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i just graduated and tens of thousands of graduates are looking for jobs

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but first, we gotta listen to the non-americans to get enlightened on actually what is best for us, because they have our best interests at heart

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this is why your country is first world and ours isn’t, because you have all the answers

junior coral
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dw bro your country aint staying first world for long

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just open your eyes

frank comet
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it’ll stay first world if your visa expires

junior coral
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yall getting poorer and your companies losing in every market lol

frank comet
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you’re right, we should terminate the H1B and then deport all of them

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and see how that affects the economy

junior coral
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doesnt concern me anymore

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i got jobs lined up back home. your economy is going to shit

frank comet
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i bet your economy is better than the american economy. we should import millions of people like you to save us

junior coral
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nah, nobody is coming to save you

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you are gonna stay unemployed

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maybe next thing you can support companies in your states only hiring from your state

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and not buy from any other state

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that will help you

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lmfao

frank comet
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what? america isn’t going to import millions of people from your country to come and save us? this is my worst nightmare

hoary jasper
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Let me be clear, H1B visas are being abused. That is the #1 undisputed fact with all these rounds of layoff comes with the same amount of applications for visas as Microsoft did this summer. Outsourcing is going to happen no matter what, no amount of arguing on policy will change that.

sonic cedar
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I agree they are being abused, but I don’t think adding a 100k yearly fee that will pretty much kill the H1B ON TOP of the fact that Trump is giving out “Trump cards” for certain companies is a good approach lmfao

hoary jasper
sonic cedar
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True

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Apple will come out with a platinum trophy for him

hoary jasper
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You just take whatever win you can get in this economy 🤷‍♂️

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I doubt Kamala was going to do anything but I'd bet our interest rates would've been around 1-2% by now

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Can't say the same for section 174 being restored however

sonic cedar
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Meh, maybe 3% ish without threats of tariffs. The US job market been much better than global

hoary jasper
sonic cedar
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You mean global trends? Because the us hasn’t cut rates til this month

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Oh wait no

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They went down from 5

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I forgot

hoary jasper
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Within 5 months, it dropped 1% at least